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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stephanie

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Speaker 1: never told you production. I heart radio and welcome back.

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Speaker 1: And I guess we're doing a small mini Monday mini

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Speaker 1: series series. Yeah, there we go. Like that did not

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Speaker 1: actually being said it's being happy or unhappy. We did

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Speaker 1: talk about people who are unhappy in this In the

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Speaker 1: third part, if you just listen, we talked about couples

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Speaker 1: what some of those characteristics look like. And before we start,

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Speaker 1: I do need to know when's the last place you

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Speaker 1: went when we were traveling. It was Canada. It was Canada. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what did I say? I was in Montreal. I was

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Speaker 1: But people are traveling. And it happened to be a

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Speaker 1: conversation that when we talk about happiness, what are some

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Speaker 1: happiest countries in the world. All right, yes, so we

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Speaker 1: wanted to start with this article from afar dot com

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Speaker 1: and the World Happiness Report, and so we're just gonna

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Speaker 1: read off the top twenty happiest countries in the world

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Speaker 1: according to this report. Number one Finland, followed by Denmark, Iceland, Switzerland, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Sweden, Norway, Israel,

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Speaker 1: France faces twenty. That's surprising. Wait, at least not on

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Speaker 1: the list at all. There's there's some surprises here, some surprises.

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Speaker 1: So I will say I have only been to two.

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