1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 2: I'm Dan Horden. 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for downloading The Bengals Booth Podcast b I want 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: to rock and roll on the addition, as we get 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: set for a Sunday Night primetime showdown between two of 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: the best teams in the AFC, the Bengals and the 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. Coming up, I'll visit with the voice of 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: Sunday Night Football on NBC, Mike Turrico. Jonah Williams joins 9 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: me to discuss what a healthy Joe Burrow means to 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: everybody else. On offense, we'll hear from the tight end 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: who's been added to the roster, and in this week's 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: Know the Faux segment, we'll get the latest down the 13 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: Bills from Tyler Dunn. The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought 14 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: to you by pay Corps, proud to be the Bengals 15 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: official HR software provider, by Alta Fiber future proof fiber 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: Internet designed to elevate your home, business, and community to 17 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: a new level, and by Kettering Health the best care 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: for the best fans. Kettering Health is the official healthcare 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: provider of the Bengals. Now here's a quick reminder that 20 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: you can have the latest edition of this podcast delivered 21 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: write to your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing wherever 22 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. It's the greatest thing since actor 23 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: Jeremy Strong. About a year ago, I jumped down the 24 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: bandwagon and started watching the TV show Succession. I watched 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: two episodes, didn't really enjoy them, and punted well. After 26 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: much badgering from friends and family, I decided to give 27 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: it another shot, and by episode six I was officially hooked. 28 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: There are four seasons of the show. I've just started 29 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 1: season two, and I am bowled over by the performance 30 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: of Jeremy Strong, who plays Kendall Roy. If you haven't 31 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: watched the show, I don't think I'll be spoiling anything 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: to say that. There's an accident in season one and 33 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: his performance in the immediate aftermath is extraordinary. He won 34 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: an Emmy for Outstanding Lead Up and now I know why. 35 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: So if you haven't watched Succession, give it a shot, 36 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: even if you don't enjoy the first few episodes. Now, 37 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: let's get to the Bengals and Bills. Remember when we 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: used to worry when the Bengals played in primetime. Thankfully 39 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: those days are over. The Bengals are one to zero 40 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: in primetime this year with a Week three win over 41 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: the Rams, and they won their last primetime game last 42 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: year when they beat the Ravens in the first round 43 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: of the playoffs. Mike Tarico and Chris Collinsworth called that 44 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: game on NBC, and I caught up with Mike on Wednesday. Mike, 45 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 1: the last Bengals game you called featured arguably the most 46 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: iconic play in franchise history, the fumble in the jungle 47 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: by the Cincinnati kid as you called Sam Hubbard. What 48 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: are your most vivid memories of that play and that night. 49 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 3: Well, it was one of those and you know, damn 50 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: the exact spot where the booth is. It's one of 51 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 3: those sometimes you don't see who comes out of the pile, right, 52 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 3: you don't know who's going to have the ball. And 53 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 3: I just had a dead eye look right at Sam 54 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 3: when the play happened, and happened to see the play 55 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: because it was happening so fast. Remember, the Ravens rushed 56 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 3: to the huddle. And it's just like there are benefits 57 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: of years of doing something right. So having the Bengals 58 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: Raiders Wild Card game the year before and doing our 59 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 3: production meeting and talking to Sam about all the local 60 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 3: ties from Cincinnati on through to Ohio State and all 61 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: that stuff. It just that was just in my head. 62 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 3: And sometimes when we prepare for games, I like to 63 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: just think of somebody with a bumper sticker, if you will, Like, 64 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: how do you describe this guy? You know, like buffalo 65 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 3: at James Cook. Okay, he's Dalvin's brother boom right away, right, 66 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 3: you just and when I was going through preparation for 67 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 3: that Raiders game, like, Okay, he's the Cincinnati kid, right, 68 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 3: He's that guy, right, So he's the local, he's the 69 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 3: home down here living the dream. And I'm a big 70 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: living the dream guy. So when we catch somebody who 71 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 3: is doing it, you love to see it. But that 72 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: was that was such a fun play and a memorable play, 73 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: and the Mark Andrews' effort from the Ravens on that play, 74 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 3: like fighting did that sticks in my mind too, as 75 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: much as the celebration after and the place going nuts. 76 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 3: Was That's why Mark Andrews is an All Pro player. 77 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 3: You know, I know we're talking Bengals here, but that's 78 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 3: the that's the effort of a great player. And that 79 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 3: plus everything that happened after that after he scored was 80 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 3: uh was something else? Stick with me for a long time, 81 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 3: as it will for Bengals fans as well. 82 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: Mike, I'm gonna bring up another possible bumper sticker. On 83 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl pregame show a couple of years ago, 84 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: you had an interesting description for Joe Burrow. You said 85 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: he had embraceable cockiness, two words that don't go together 86 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: all that often. How did you mean embraceable cockiness? And 87 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: what do you think of Joe Burrow's leadership? 88 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: The dude pulls out the cigar to smoke the cigar 89 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 3: when he wins, right and like you're going come on, 90 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 3: I can't, but you like him, like there's a warmth, 91 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 3: there's a there's I want to hang with Joe Burrow. 92 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow's got a the way he dresses coming into 93 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: games right, Like there's something about him that is really 94 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: cocky and very confident. Sometimes that is an off putting 95 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 3: characteristic of individuals. Joe Burrow's cockiness is never about look 96 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: at me. It's like, hey, I got this and I'm 97 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 3: bringing my guys with me. So I personally embrace his cockiness. 98 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: I love it. And I'm not a guy who's big 99 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 3: on you know you score a touchdown, you point to 100 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 3: the back of your jersey. Hey, look at my name, 101 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 3: but we just said your name, dude, But I got 102 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: it at your moment, celebrates you want. I don't won't 103 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 3: be the old guy in the corner of the barbershop 104 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 3: because you and I don't go to barbershops anymore. But 105 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: I just love what Joe Burrows about. And you could 106 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: see it last week, right, you could just see that's 107 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: the Joe Burrow, that's the guy. And Chris and I Collinsworth, 108 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: we were toying around as we were watching Justin Herbert 109 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 3: of the Chargers last week. Okay, how good is he? 110 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: Well? 111 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 3: Who are the best? And we got into full talk 112 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 3: radio mode, give me your best quarterbacks, right, and Joe 113 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 3: Burrows in he's he's not even the conversations like, okay, 114 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 3: so you got Mahomes right, you got josh Awdie and 115 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: you got Burrow. Yeah all right? And then what right? 116 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: So that's how good he is. So this is a 117 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: great time and it's good to see him back to 118 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 3: that inside the Velvet Rope club type of performance like 119 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 3: we saw last week. And Santa Cleric, excuse me, we. 120 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 4: Are visiting with Mike Terrico. 121 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: Exactly one month ago, the Bengals lost by twenty four 122 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: at Tennessee to fall to one in three. Did you 123 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: have any concern that NBC might have a Sunday Night 124 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: done on its hands at this point of the year. 125 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: No. And we've been looking at the schedule and there 126 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 3: are a couple that are sticking out like sore thumbs 127 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: right now, but not this one for a couple of reasons. One, 128 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: it's the Buffalo factor, which is very similar to the 129 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 3: Cincinnati factor. I think there's a great parallel in these 130 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 3: two quarterbacks, and they keep your team in every game, 131 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 3: So there is that. I think also the experience of 132 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 3: last year. I mean, the Bengals are pretty much right 133 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: back where they were last year and then got on 134 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 3: this roll. Was it ten in a row last year? 135 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 3: And you know it's there and you know that, Okay, 136 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 3: this isn't a team that's lost a ton of their talent. 137 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: Most of those key people are there. There's the interchange 138 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: of one year one there. You know, you're younger in 139 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: the back end than you were, and the concern with 140 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: the safeties and all that, but you know, the quarterback, 141 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 3: if he got healthy, the offense around him. Lou Anarumo, who, man, 142 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 3: does that guy deserve as much credit as any coordinator 143 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: around the league. It is season in, season out now 144 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: the steadiness, and it's the stability Dan you know, you go, 145 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 3: Darren Simmons special teams coordinator, Brian Callahan an offense, Lou 146 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 3: on the defense, and you know, and and the head 147 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: coaching job obviously that that Zack's done. It's the same group. 148 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: It's like we're coming in here for the last four years, 149 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 3: same same dudes, same guys. That doesn't happen in the NFL. 150 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: Just look at Buffalo. Leslie Frasier's not there now right, 151 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: there's a change in that spot. Brian Dable has been 152 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: gone the last couple of years. Doesn't mean that Kenny 153 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 3: Dorsey is not doing a good job or Saw McDermott's 154 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 3: not doing a good job as the defensive cordat calling 155 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: the places. Excuse me as the head coach. It just 156 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 3: is changed and there's been stability, steadiness and investing in 157 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 3: your best natural talents in Cincinnati, which is not something 158 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: we said on this franchise for many years. And it's 159 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: great to see because the fan base is being rewarded 160 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: by it and we as fans are being rewarded. So 161 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 3: to answer your question, I didn't think this was gonna 162 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: end up being a dud. And then obviously the storyline 163 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 3: of last year and what happened on January second at 164 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 3: that stadium when those two teams met, that had this 165 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: circled right from when the schedule came out as it's 166 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 3: going to be an emotional night and an exciting night 167 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: too for a lot of reasons off the field and 168 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 3: on the field as well. 169 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: We saw real heroism that night with the way first 170 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: response under his doctors and trainers save the life of 171 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: DeMar Hamlin. Anything special plan for Sunday Night football this week. 172 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 3: You know, it changes a little bit. DeMar hasn't been 173 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: playing right, and why hasn't it been playing? He's the 174 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 3: fourth safety on this team, and that's either a special 175 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 3: team's role that the Bills have a couple of really 176 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 3: good special teamers, so there's not the need to have 177 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 3: him elevate and active. But I watched him practice a 178 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago in Buffalo, and he's right as 179 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 3: much of a part of a practice as any other 180 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 3: player who's a healthy and active which is great to see, 181 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: you know, I think for us, it'll be talked about, 182 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 3: certainly in the body of the game as well, and 183 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: all sort of appreciation, not just for the folks on 184 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 3: the field that night, but also the people of Cincinnati 185 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 3: who show their true colors, I think in their support, 186 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 3: the way the sixty thousand plus in the building reacted 187 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 3: that night, the outpouring of support, affection, belief, prayer from 188 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 3: Bengals fans. So I think we'll touch on all of 189 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 3: those as the game goes on. I think it'd be 190 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 3: a little bit different if he was playing in the game, 191 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 3: or something happens during the weekends up being active. I 192 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 3: think that would change the conversation a little bit. But 193 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 3: since he's not on the field, as you're going through 194 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 3: a game, within the body of the game, there's not 195 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 3: too many opportunities to stop and take that left turn. 196 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 3: So but I certainly think we'll be talking about it 197 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 3: a bunch and how it impacted the players who were 198 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 3: in the game because it changed their lives forever as well. 199 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 4: Chatted with Mike Turrico. Last week. 200 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: The Bengals won their third straight and fourth in their 201 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: last five, but it was different. It was San Francisco 202 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: on the road, by fourteen points. Did they make any 203 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: statement with that performance last week? 204 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're still here. We're still here, you know, just 205 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 3: to scrape the escape play by Burrow, I still haven't gone. 206 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: I want to go back and listen to your call 207 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 3: of that. That was that was a magical play because 208 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: he's he's done three times on that play and he 209 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 3: gets out and he makes a great play, and that 210 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: just told you he's back in. The deeper drops were 211 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 3: the thing to meet Dan and watching the game, you know, 212 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 3: you go back and you watch before the buye the 213 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 3: game before the bye against Seattle and then balls out 214 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 3: quick quick, quick, quick, quick quick, and this game it 215 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 3: felt a little bit a little more comfort of taking 216 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 3: a deep drop, keeping a play alive, those types of things, 217 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 3: and really attacked. I think it's a good defense in 218 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 3: San Francisco. We had them earlier in the season against 219 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 3: Dallas and they destroyed a good Cowboys team. I go, wow, 220 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 3: this is okay. They're in the Super Bowl. Who else 221 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 3: is going to be there? Right? And then you wait 222 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: three weeks and it all changes. So it was a 223 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 3: statement by Cincinnati to go there, do that to that 224 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 3: defense and look like the Bengals team We saw on 225 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 3: the run through the fall and winter of twenty twenty two. 226 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 3: Here in the start of the fall and winter twenty 227 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 3: twenty three. Yeah, it's a statement that they're there and 228 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 3: they're going to be around. 229 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Bills for a second. They've outscored 230 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: opponents by more points than any other team in the 231 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: l They beat the Dolphins by twenty eight, but they've 232 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: got three losses. What accounts for that roller coaster ride 233 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: in Buffalo. 234 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good question, Dan. It has been similar 235 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 3: but not the same as the Burrow issue. When Josh 236 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 3: Allen is moving and aggressively threatening to run if not running, 237 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 3: this team is different, right, and I don't think they're 238 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 3: there just yet. I also think they're undergoing a little 239 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 3: bit of a seed change. I think John McDermott, undefeated 240 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 3: wrestler as a high school senior right, a wrestling guy 241 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 3: now calling the defense. I think he wants to establish 242 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 3: some running toughness, physicality in this game. If you go 243 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 3: back to the playoff game last year up in Orchard Park, 244 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 3: the Bengals ran the ball effectively. The Bills did not 245 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 3: at all. Josh Allen was their leading rusher in that game. 246 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 3: I think Buffalo and Sean knows that they've got to 247 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 3: have some of that as the season goes on, and 248 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 3: it's trying to find where that balance is and how 249 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 3: you can do it most effectively. So I think that 250 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: that stopped them here. And also they've had some key 251 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 3: losses all along their front Daikwon Jones, Matt Mulano, tra 252 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 3: Davius White. At each level, they've lost one of their 253 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: best performers. So now they're fitting new pieces in. Some 254 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: of those new pieces are pretty good and they're getting there. 255 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 3: So I like their pickup of Rasuel Butler in a trade. 256 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 3: I think they're gonna have a couple of corners now 257 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 3: who can play. So overall, I think the Bills can 258 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 3: be as good as we saw in that Miami game. 259 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: They just need to find their way. I just want 260 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 3: to see the Bengals can beat somebody outside of the 261 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 3: NFC West. I congratulate the congratulate the Bengals in their 262 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: NFC West title, right, that's maybe the most bizarre thing 263 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 3: that here are the Bengals. I feel like they can 264 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 3: make a run here in the AFC. They might be 265 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 3: the best team. They haven't beaten a team in the 266 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 3: AFC yet four and zero against the NFC West. So 267 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 3: this is a great measuring stick for both teams right now. 268 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 3: But I also think a huge game because if they 269 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 3: can't get to Miami and the AFC East, or can't 270 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 3: get to Baltimore at the top of the af SEE North, 271 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 3: you know, if it starts coming down seats five and 272 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 3: six and seven. Nice to have a win over one 273 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 3: of these other like minded animals. So it's an important 274 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 3: game for both teams. 275 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: They're definitely two of the best teams in the AFC. 276 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 1: What are a couple of your keys on Sunday night? 277 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 3: The ability of Burrow to extend plays and how do 278 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 3: the Bills defensive backs plaster to Chase and Higgins and 279 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: the rest of the crew and Boyd who know every 280 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 3: game boy makes a big catch's So it's so neat 281 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: to neat to see that. I love that. Can Buffalo 282 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 3: run the ball? I think will be important Cincinnati pass 283 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: protection because sometimes those escapes, whether it's the Houdini Act 284 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 3: or the get out of the pocket and run for 285 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, is because the protection breaks down and Oliver 286 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 3: ninety one for Buffalo pushes the pocket in the middle. 287 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 3: The edge rushers. Von Miller is coming on, getting more 288 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 3: snaps now around twenty nine to thirty snaps a game. 289 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 3: Greg Russo is starting to have an impact. Fifty off 290 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 3: the edge for Buffalo Leonard Floyd, but they rotate a 291 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: bunch of good players in there. I'm an ajp and 292 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 3: as a fan fifty seven keeping on forty three for 293 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 3: their defense too, Ture Bernard. So those are a couple 294 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 3: of keys the Bills pressure. Is Joe Burrow running for 295 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 3: his life or is he running to get out of harmsway, 296 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 3: keep a play alive and hit a big one downfield. 297 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 3: And then on the other side, you know this Bengals 298 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: defense has done a terrific job. And you know this 299 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 3: in the second half the last few weeks against Seattle 300 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 3: and San Francisco, what a good job. And those late 301 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 3: game plays, And when teams start to make plays in 302 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 3: the red zone in the second half of close games 303 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: against good teams, they start believing what they can do. 304 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 3: And I get a sense that this Cincinnati defense starting 305 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 3: to feel pretty good about what they can do against 306 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: anybody in the league. So I watch for them late 307 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 3: in games in passing situations as Josh Allen, who can 308 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 3: put the ball in Harm's way is running around, the 309 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 3: Cincinnati team can take it away, so I think that'll 310 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 3: be a big part of the game as well. 311 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 4: Mike, always appreciate your time. 312 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: I hope Worth treat you to a great dinner at 313 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 1: one of Cincinnati's finest establishments over the weekend. Look forward 314 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: to seeing you in the booth on Sunday. 315 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 3: Augusta is a tradition like any other, so is a 316 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 3: Collinsworth Cincinnati party, so we will take care of that. 317 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 3: And I can't wait to see you on Sunday, Pal, 318 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 3: and keep up for great work. 319 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: Mike spoke at length about the Bills pass rush. Buffalo 320 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: has twenty eight sacks. That's tied for second in the NFL, 321 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: behind the Ravens, who have thirty one, and Von Miller 322 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: doesn't even have one yet he missed the first four 323 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: games of the year due to injury. It's going to 324 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: be a big challenge for the Bengals offensive line. And 325 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: I spoke to right tackle Jonah Williams about Sunday Night's 326 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: game and his season to date journal last week, Coach 327 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: Taylor picked six Californians to go out for the coin 328 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: Toss at San Francisco you were among them. I guess 329 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: your hometown is a couple of hours away in Fulsome California. 330 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: Did you know that was coming and was it meaningful? 331 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 5: It was meaningful. I got the text, I think the 332 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 5: day before, and it was just it was really excited. 333 00:16:58,640 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 5: He was my first time being a captain in the 334 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 5: NFL walking out for the coin toss. So I thought 335 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 5: that was a cool gesture by Zach and started off 336 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 5: the game on a high note. 337 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: I think we can safely say that Joe Burrow's calf 338 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: is one hundred percent. He looked great running around last week. 339 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: What's that mean for the offensive line that he is 340 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: not a stationary target? 341 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 5: It makes things easier on us for sure, you know, 342 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 5: and it just adds one more multiple to our offense. 343 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 5: You know, Joe's arms is a huge component our receiving corps. 344 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,159 Speaker 5: And then you know, we want to establish the ground 345 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 5: game with our you know, super talented backs, so that 346 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 5: that's line one. But then if you can also attack 347 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 5: them with the quarterback's legs, it just takes everything to 348 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 5: another level. So it was great to see that and 349 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 5: glad he's feeling good and we're ready. 350 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: To roll on the opening series last week he had 351 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: that one Houdini escape where he got away from what 352 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: looked like a couple of sacks and eventually completed it 353 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: past the t Higgins, you're blocking your guy on that play? 354 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 1: When do you have a sense of what's going on? 355 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 5: When I'm watching the film after no, you know, I 356 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 5: was blocking my guy and kind of the way it 357 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 5: played out is I wasn't really able to see him 358 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 5: or get close to him. I know Cap and Orlando 359 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 5: had two big blocks where there guy was a little 360 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 5: bit more involved, or they were at least facing Joe 361 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 5: and could pick people off of them, So that was 362 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,479 Speaker 5: great by them, But I didn't know what was going on. 363 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 3: I was just kind of chasing. 364 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 5: My guy around and you kind of hear the crowd 365 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 5: going crazy, so I knew something was going on. But 366 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 5: it was awesome to see that, and it helped us 367 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 5: tremendously on that first drive to get the conversion and 368 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 5: not be forced upon, and that totally changed the momentum 369 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 5: of the game. 370 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: We're visiting the Jonah Williams. Now that he's healthier, you 371 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: can run plays under center where he takes the direct 372 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: snap because he can push off on his calf and 373 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: you did that thirteen times in the San Francisco game. 374 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: That's more than you had had done that in the 375 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: first six games of the season combined. How much does 376 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 1: that expand the offense, specifically the running game. 377 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 5: It changes the angles for the back, which allows us 378 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 5: to be a little bit more downhill, and it adds 379 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 5: a lot of variety to our offense as well. You know, 380 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 5: we had I don't know how many, but a handful 381 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 5: of runs under center, but also we had some play 382 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 5: actions coming out of that, And anytime you can do that, 383 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 5: it just makes our job easier, you know. I think 384 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 5: the hardest thing to do is no line is just 385 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 5: to drop back, drop back, pass straight up and they're rushing. 386 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,239 Speaker 5: It kind of makes everything feel like they'red down. So 387 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 5: when you're able to change things up and we're still 388 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 5: allowing our receivers to do what they do and allowing 389 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 5: Joe to do what he does, but taking a little 390 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 5: pressure off of us, that's that's obviously really nice. 391 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: You've won three straight and four out of five, but 392 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: in the wins before San Francisco, it almost felt to 393 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: me like there was a little bit of an asterisk, 394 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: Like in the Rams and Seahawks games, the offense sputtered 395 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 1: in the Cardinals game. They're not having a great season, 396 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 1: They've only got one win. But last week you beat 397 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: a great team on the road and every aspect of 398 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: the Bengals team was solid. Did it feel differently to 399 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: you guys? 400 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 3: It did? 401 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 5: I think it was the first win that you know, 402 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 5: we allowed ourselves to feel really good about for a day. 403 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 5: It's already behind us, We're moving on just like any 404 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 5: other game. But I think that that was that was 405 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 5: one where you can look at all phases of the 406 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 5: game and say, we played, you know, at least close 407 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 5: to what our standard is. So now the challenges we have, 408 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 5: what ten more games and then playoffs moving forward, so 409 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 5: we're not even close to the finish line. And you know, 410 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 5: I think that we know we can be even better. 411 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 5: And like you said, that was a great team. Definitely 412 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 5: wasn't easy to beat them, So we know we're capable 413 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 5: of being the best team in football, and that's you know, 414 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 5: it's been our goal all along. But that's what we 415 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 5: really have to get to in the next ten weeks. 416 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm no expert on offensive line play, but I work 417 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: with Dave Lapham and I listened carefully to his opinion. 418 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: He says that you look very comfortable at right tackle 419 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 1: seven games in. 420 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 4: Is that how you feel? 421 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 5: Definitely? I feel good. I'm not even thinking about, you know, 422 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 5: what side I'm on anymore. It just feels feels comfortable. 423 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 5: You know, It's been it's been great playing next to 424 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 5: Cap and we just have really talented and pretty vetter 425 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 5: in a line this year. So you know, it's been 426 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 5: a lot of fun through these first couple of weeks, 427 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 5: and I'm looking forward to, you know, gelling even more 428 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 5: and getting even better as the rest of the season 429 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 5: goes on. 430 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: How do you feel going forward? Are you content to 431 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: be a right tackle going forward? Would you like to 432 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: get back to the left side at some point? How 433 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: do you feel about that position. 434 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 5: I'll play whatever I think that I you know, I'm 435 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 5: That's kind of my competitive character, I guess is that 436 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 5: I'm going to when I show up, I'm gonna show up. 437 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 5: I'm going to do my best wherever they put me. 438 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 5: And you know, I think I'm having a good season 439 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 5: at right tackle, and I know we can play left 440 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 5: tackle in the league too, So you know, whatever it 441 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 5: is moving forward, I'm just gonna attack it. 442 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: You face great pass rushers every week. But when I 443 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: look at Buffalo, it's the number of guys that kind 444 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: of stands out to me. Ron Miller, Leonard Floyd, Greg 445 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: Russo at Oliver in the middle. Is that unique in 446 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 1: Buffalo's case? 447 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 3: I think so. 448 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 5: They've got so much talent else the d line and 449 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 5: you know, particularly at edge, I think they have pretty 450 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 5: much too deep of guys who can be starters in 451 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 5: the NFL, so that that poses some challenges. They move 452 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 5: around a lot, so you're gonna get a lot of 453 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 5: different looks throughout the game. You know, they're disciplined, really 454 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 5: good front, so it'll be a challenge for us. But 455 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 5: we're we're confident going into it and you know, excited 456 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 5: to to start lining up some wins. 457 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: The last time the Bengals played the Bills in the playoffs, 458 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: you couldn't play because of your knee injury. How is 459 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: your knee and did you learn anything about your kneecap 460 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: or anything along those lines in the process. 461 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 5: Well, I have a I have a super reinforced kneecap now, 462 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 5: so that's good and it feels good. 463 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 3: I think that. 464 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 5: You know, if you ask anyone and that's currently playing 465 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 5: in the NFL getting towards medway through the season, how 466 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 5: their body feels. It's not always great, but you know, 467 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 5: good enough to play and that's all that matters. So 468 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 5: I learned probably more than I'd ever want to know 469 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 5: about knees. I always joke with the trainers that I 470 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 5: have an associate's degree in physical therapy from the unfortunate 471 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 5: amount of time I've had to spend in there. So yeah, 472 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 5: it feels good though, and you know, just keep treating it, 473 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 5: keep getting better. 474 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: Was your kneecap prone to that type of injury or 475 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: just one of those things that happens in football. 476 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,719 Speaker 5: I think it might be prone because I have shallow grooves, 477 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 5: But it also is kind of a benefit because I 478 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 5: have flexible knees, so that allows me to kind of 479 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 5: anchor and get low and stuff like that. But it also, 480 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 5: you know, caused my kneycap to slip out, so's it's 481 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 5: reinforced in there now and so I can enjoy the 482 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 5: benefits of loose knees without worrying about it slipping out 483 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 5: of you. 484 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 3: All right. 485 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: Final thing for johnaugh Williams, for people that don't know you, 486 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: became a dad back in March. I guess the cliche 487 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: is you get to go home from football practice and 488 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: you can forget about the game and you know, play 489 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: with your daughter. In some cases cliches are true. Is 490 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: that what parenthood has been like for you? 491 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 5: It is It's been by far best thing that's ever 492 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 5: happened to me, and it definitely like it definitely makes 493 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 5: my day. You know, if I have a tough day 494 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 5: or whatever, and I go home and every time I 495 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 5: walk in, she just gives me a big smile, and 496 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 5: that lasts about five minutes before she's either hungry or 497 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 5: grumpy or retired or wants you go for a walk 498 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,719 Speaker 5: or something. So I enjoy those first five minutes. But 499 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 5: it's it's been awesome, and it's you know, I'm so 500 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 5: grateful for her and my fiance and everything that you know, 501 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 5: I'm fortunate to have in my house. 502 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: It's the best, nothing better than parenthood. Congratulations on that 503 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: and on a great season today, Best of luck on 504 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: Sunday night. 505 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 3: Thank you. 506 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought to you by pay Corps, 507 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: proud to be the Bengals official HR software provider. By 508 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: Alta Fiber future proof fiber Internet designed to elevate your home, 509 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: business and community to a new level and by Kettering 510 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: Health the best care for the best fans. Kettering Health 511 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: is the official healthcare provider of the Bengals. There was 512 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: a lot of speculation about the Bengals possibly making a 513 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: trade for a tight end. That didn't happen, but they 514 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: did add one to their roster this week, as Tanner 515 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: Hudson was promoted from the practice squad. In two previous 516 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: games this year, Hudson had four catches for forty eight yards, 517 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: including a key twenty six yard grab in the win 518 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: over the Rams. Here are Zach Taylor and Tanner Hudson 519 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: about his promotion. 520 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 6: He's earned it, okay, so just start with that. He 521 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 6: had a really good offseason. He had a first good 522 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 6: practice rep last year when he joined our practice squad. 523 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 6: He did a one on one drill and caught a 524 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 6: fade ball and he got into his attention. Okay, so 525 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 6: right away he set the tone with what he can 526 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 6: bring to the table. And then he was on the 527 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 6: practice squad you know, during the season and did a 528 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 6: great job. I thought he had a great off season, 529 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 6: great summer, great training camp. Sometimes the roster just shakes 530 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 6: out the way the roster shakes out. But he's continued 531 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 6: to put his head down to work every single day 532 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 6: in practice, makes plays on the scout teams a great job, 533 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 6: He's done a great job in line blocking, does a 534 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 6: good job. We're out running, and so he's earned an 535 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 6: opportunity to get up, you know. And so it's more 536 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 6: about maybe him than anything else, just just earning that 537 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 6: that opportunity, and and I think that's the right way 538 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 6: to reward guys when it makes sense. 539 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 7: Yeah, it just shows that you know, they're they're trusting 540 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 7: in me to prepare and be able to go out 541 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 7: there and use my talents to help this team. 542 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: I mean, the first thing Zach said was you earned it. 543 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: I mean, is that the satisfying partner. 544 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 7: Yeah, that means a lot. I don't think anybody in 545 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 7: the NFL wants to just be given a spot. I 546 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 7: think everybody wants to be able to go out and 547 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 7: show that they can, show that they are supposed to 548 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 7: be out there, and like you said, earn the earn 549 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 7: the time to be out there. 550 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 1: Hudson has previous experience with the Buccaneers, forty nine Ers 551 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: and Giants and won a Super Bowl ring in Tampa Bay. 552 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,439 Speaker 1: Now time for this week's Know the Faux segment. Tyler 553 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 1: Dunn writes in podcasts about the entire NFL on his 554 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: great website, I golongtd dot com, but he's based in 555 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: Buffalo and has unique insight into the Bills. He joined 556 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: Lapping Me this week on the Bengals Game Plan Show. 557 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,239 Speaker 2: I know everybody's freaking out about Josh Allen and the 558 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:22,680 Speaker 2: offense because it's not as automatic and sublime as we've seen. 559 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: I feel like the offense will be fine. As long 560 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 2: as you have Josh Allen, Stefan Dick's healthy, they're going 561 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 2: to be a contender. To me, the problems are on defense. 562 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,439 Speaker 2: You know, this is Sean mcdermo's defense. It's been his 563 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 2: defense since twenty seventeen. But now he's calling the place, 564 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 2: so now he really has all the power, all the control. 565 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,640 Speaker 2: There's no more debate. He wow, what Leslie Fraser really 566 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: doing it? Honestly, it hasn't been that pretty and I 567 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 2: think the apologist would point to the injuries, and it's 568 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: not easy to overcome the loss of Da Kwan Jones, which, 569 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 2: by the way, he wasn't in that playoff game against 570 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 2: Natti just a massive detail who could really anchor things, 571 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 2: and the Bengals took advantage of it obviously in the snow. 572 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 2: You don't have him. Now you don't have Matt Mulano, 573 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 2: one of the five, maybe one of the three best 574 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 2: linebackers in football. I mean, he's unbelievable, and you don't 575 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 2: have Tradavius White. So those are massive injuries. Don't get 576 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 2: me wrong, But you guys know, I mean every team 577 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 2: has injuries. There's attrition to pro football inherently, and they 578 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 2: really haven't adapted well. They've played some bad seats and 579 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,719 Speaker 2: they've eked out some wins the Giants and the Bucks. 580 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: Those games could have gone the other way, and you're 581 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 2: looking at a three and five football team, So you 582 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 2: know they should make apologies for winning those games. But 583 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 2: I don't know where the improvement comes on defense. Frankly, 584 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 2: I don't know what else they can really do. It 585 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 2: seems like, you know, there's a lot of Sean mcdermot's 586 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 2: play and maybe he isn't handling the play calling well 587 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: at times. You know he's blitzed in key moment and 588 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 2: it's come back to bite him. Look at Calvin Ridley 589 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 2: and a big catch he had in London when they 590 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 2: sent the house, and now you have these injuries and 591 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 2: von Miller. Frankly, they look like von Miller. So I 592 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,880 Speaker 2: think that Cincinnati is gonna have a field day offensively. 593 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 8: What about in the secondary? They made a move to 594 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 8: kind of less than the blow of White. They get 595 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 8: Douglas from the Green Bay Packers. He didn't practice today, 596 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 8: he's traveling to Buffalo. He's his zone, his strength, his 597 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 8: zone coverage ability, breaking on the football, making plays in 598 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 8: that regard. Do you think that the acquisition of Douglas 599 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 8: at the trade deadline is big? 600 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: I don't you know. And it's I live here and 601 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: it's weird to pour like cold water on it all. 602 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: But you know, I've watched the Packers closely. It was. 603 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: It was an amazing find by GM Brian Gutikin to 604 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: pick up Razel Douglas off the street and he earned 605 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 2: his way to a big contract. You know, he's on 606 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 2: the fringes of the NFL. Gets to the Packers. He 607 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 2: makes plays like he will turn the ball over every 608 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 2: few games. But man, he takes chances and you see 609 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 2: that side of the he gives up plays. He's a 610 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 2: riverboat gambler, and he's never been a guy who relies 611 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: on speed. To your point, he's a zone corner. I 612 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 2: don't know. I feel like, if I'm Joe Purrow, I'm 613 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 2: looking to see where he's out there. If I'm any 614 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 2: quarterback and I'm getting him to bite, I don't think 615 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,479 Speaker 2: he's just gonna cure all that ales the secondary. You know, 616 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: you just swap a fit a third for a fifth 617 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 2: to get him. Maybe it's worth it for the occasional turnover, 618 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 2: but I'm not so sure he's gonna be able to, 619 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 2: you know, fix what they need fix him. 620 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 4: Tyler Donnis, our guest. 621 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: Check out the website golongtd dot com. You'll find some 622 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: awesome feature stories about the Bengals that he's written over 623 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: the last few years. You've been critical on that site, Tyler, 624 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 1: of Sean McDermott, especially going back to the playoff disaster 625 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: against the Chiefs a couple of years ago. What do 626 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: you think Sean McDermott deserves praise for and what are 627 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: you most critical of? 628 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 2: Great question, because he does deserve praise. Look, this is 629 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 2: a team seventeen years they didn't make the playoffs, and 630 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 2: let's be let's be frank they only got into the 631 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 2: playoffs because of Andy Dalton and Tyler boy Connected for 632 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: that touchdown Fellas. I mean, it was unbelievable. And in 633 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 2: East Aurora, the suburb of Buffalo, I was hanging out 634 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: with my wife and family, and in some of her family. 635 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I saw tears of joy in a forty 636 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 2: and fifth year old. So there's a reason they gave 637 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 2: all that money to Andy Dogg's charity and Tyler Boyd's 638 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 2: charity to end that drought. I guess is big. I mean, 639 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: this team was in a bad place. Deamar Hamlin nearly 640 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 2: dies on a football field. I don't know how in 641 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 2: the heck you got a football team through that. I've 642 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 2: talked to players that were in that locker room. Frankly, 643 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 2: a lot of guys wanted to play. Isaiah McKenzie we 644 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 2: did the show last year. He said most guys wanted 645 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 2: to keep playing that game, but a few weren't comfortable. 646 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 2: Mitch Morris the Center spoke up, and you got to 647 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 2: give Sean McDermott credit for saying, look, we can't play 648 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 2: this football game. I don't even know how you lead 649 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: a team through all that get down to football he's 650 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 2: a defensive coach. He thinks through that lens. We saw 651 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 2: it again against the Bucks last Thursday, where they're a 652 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 2: complete command of that game and they punt at midfield 653 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: on four fourth and shorts in a row to basically 654 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: roll out the red carpet to an inferior Bucks team 655 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 2: to get back into the game. That again had no 656 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: business coming down to a hal mary where Chris Godwin, 657 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 2: if he just turns the other way, catches it. That's 658 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 2: because he's just a he's a glass half empty kind 659 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 2: of coach. What can go wrong instead of what can 660 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: go right? Thirteen seconds game. You see it there right, 661 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 2: he overruled his special teams coordinator. The squip was on. 662 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 2: He wanted the touchback because he wanted to lean on 663 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 2: that defense. You know, so instead of wasting five to 664 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 2: six seconds, now you're on your heels, you give up 665 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 2: the first big play, you're on your heels even more 666 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 2: now now he's thinking, oh, I don't want to give 667 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 2: up a touchdown, Let's play for the field goal. I 668 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 2: don't know. And even the Cincinnati game last year, the 669 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 2: Bengals were gonna win that game, but to uh to 670 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 2: punt at the end of the first half when you 671 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 2: finally got something good cooking, and then to punt the 672 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 2: last play of the third quarter when I don't know, 673 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 2: you're not gonna stop Cincinnati twice in the fourth quarter. 674 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: You're basically waving the white flag by punting there instead 675 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 2: of going for it on fourth and two. This is 676 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 2: who he is. I mean, we've we've seen it season 677 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 2: to season. The season, I think they're wasting Josh Allen's 678 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 2: primes defon Diggs's prime. I think that they know it, 679 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 2: the players know it, and it's and it's kind of 680 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 2: sad because I don't think he's gonna change. And I 681 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 2: think you've got teams in Cincinnati, Kansas City, Jacksonville, even 682 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: maybe even Baltimore who get it. They're they're gonna go 683 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 2: for it on those fourth downs. They're gonna believe in 684 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 2: their player. They're gonna choose to believe in their players. 685 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 2: I just think that McDermott can't get there in those moments. 686 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 2: He'll he'll do it in the regular season. All the 687 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: metrics will show you. Yeah, I know he is. He 688 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 2: is aggressive for the most part in the regular season, 689 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 2: but he gets into the playoffs and he clams up 690 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 2: and his players clam up, and I don't think it's 691 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 2: an accident. 692 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 8: You know, when I look at the Buffalo Bills, they're 693 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 8: ranked in the top five in so many categories, offensively 694 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 8: and defensively at the red zone. Eight times they've held 695 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 8: the opponent defensively without any points in the red zone. 696 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 8: Most in the National Football League. I mean sacks, pressure protection. 697 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,479 Speaker 8: They're number five, number three in sacks allowed, number one 698 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 8: in yards allowed from sacks, tied for second in sacks generated, 699 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 8: their second in yards lost for those sacks. They're plus 700 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 8: sixteen in the sack ratio, second in the league. They're 701 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 8: doing a lot of things, right. What are they doing best? 702 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 8: You said, what you think some of their concerns are. 703 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 8: They're doing a lot of things right. What are they 704 00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 8: doing best? 705 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 2: I like hearing those statistics because it does speak to 706 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 2: another one of Sean's strengths, and it is situational football. 707 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 2: They do. They do practice that stuff to the extreme 708 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 2: right year year round, to be the middle of May 709 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 2: of the middle of June, and the pressure will be 710 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 2: high for that situation, red zone, right third down, Like 711 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 2: this is the stuff that he lives for. Uh So, yeah, 712 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 2: I think their numbers are gonna be good in the 713 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:31,600 Speaker 2: regular season. 714 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 3: You know. 715 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 2: My criticism is more so you know, when you're wound 716 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 2: that tight year round, you're gonna burst at some point, 717 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 2: and that burst usually happens at the worst possible time. 718 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 2: But you know, in that same vein, they don't really 719 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 2: get blown out. You know, even when they were trying 720 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 2: to turn this thing around, they never were really blown out. 721 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe once or twice. I'm thinking of a Saint's 722 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 2: loss and a cult floss like year one. Other than that, 723 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 2: they're so good at the situational football. They can keep 724 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 2: games close, and I think that's what you see out 725 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 2: of a lot of defensive minded coaches. They are good 726 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 2: at situational football, keeping it close and trying to win 727 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,880 Speaker 2: it at the end. Hey, there's nothing wrong with that thinking. 728 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 2: I just think when you have Josh Allen, you've got 729 00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 2: a freak show at quarterback. You've got a gangster like 730 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 2: lean into that. Right be the front runner, be the 731 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 2: team that wants to put up fifty on the board. 732 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 2: And they don't really think that way on the sideline. 733 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 2: So it's a weird dichotomy for the team. But they 734 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 2: are really good, right it will It'll be competitive I 735 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 2: think that they'll be able to move the ball offensively. 736 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 2: Like I said, I'm not worried about the offense. I'd 737 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 2: be worried about that defense because it's hard to think 738 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 2: like a defensive minded coach when you are this underman. 739 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: There are some teams in the league that just match 740 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: up well with other teams. The Bengals have a hard 741 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,240 Speaker 1: time with the Cleveland Browns, at least to this point. 742 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,279 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, in the meetings last year, the DeMar 743 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 1: Hamlin game had felt early on and like the Bengals 744 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: were going to dominate. Then they went to Buffalo in 745 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 1: the snow and did dominate. Do you think for whatever reason, 746 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:13,439 Speaker 1: the Bengals just match up well with this Buffalo team. 747 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,799 Speaker 2: I do, you know? And and these injuries play into 748 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 2: that as well. Uh Dakwan Jones is he's a beast 749 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 2: in the middle that he really did anchor that run game. 750 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,879 Speaker 2: So I think the Bengals will be able to run 751 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 2: the ball exactly like they did last week. I'm sure 752 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 2: they They don't want Joe Burrow taken off quite as much, 753 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 2: but Joe Mixon he'll probably feast. You know. Even even 754 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 2: the linebackers are kind of small Dreell Bernard. He had 755 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 2: that big game against Washington. He's he doesn't have the 756 00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 2: size that Tremade Edmonds had, and in Tremade Edmunds didn't 757 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 2: even really have a good game himself against Cincinnati at Oliver, 758 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 2: you know, he'll rush the passer once every other game. 759 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 2: He doesn't give you much run defense wise. I think 760 00:37:56,320 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 2: the Bengals are are so versatile because yeah, yeah, they've 761 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 2: They've got Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase T Higgins and 762 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 2: they can throw it all over the place, and you 763 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 2: got you gotta honor that right. You got to respect 764 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 2: it and sit back in some coverages. But then you 765 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 2: open yourself up to get gashed. So I don't really 766 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 2: know how you stop Cincinnati. If you're Buffalo, maybe it 767 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 2: blitz a little bit more. But okay, good luck blitzing 768 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 2: against Joe Burrow, the smartest quarterback in football. I promise 769 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 2: you I'm not just pandering to your audience. I think 770 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,400 Speaker 2: it's a bad matchup for Buffalo and I'd be shocked 771 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 2: if they won this game. 772 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 8: I agree with that you blitz, you're living a dangerous 773 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,880 Speaker 8: life against Joe Burrow the way he can see it 774 00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,720 Speaker 8: before it happens the Bengals. Final question Bengals special teams 775 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 8: under Darren Simmons, three of the four phases of special 776 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 8: teams are top five in the NFL. What are Buffalo 777 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 8: Bill's special teams like the all important hitting the yards 778 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 8: field position. How they've been doing in that regard? 779 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 2: You know, they've been fine, you know, Tyler, Yes, for 780 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 2: the most part, it's been a solid kicker. Their punting 781 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 2: game has been strong. I'm sure that's why Sean McDermott 782 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,040 Speaker 2: punted as much as he did against Tampa Bay last week, 783 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 2: because he can do some situational punts, some coff and 784 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 2: corner stuff. He's good, which is kind of crazy when 785 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 2: you think back. Remember they drafted Matt Riza and that 786 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 2: all hell broke loose with his legal case that they 787 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 2: get out of that business and find Sam Martin and 788 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 2: ended up with a pretty dang good punter. So Adobe 789 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 2: disciplined in that third of the game, and maybe that's 790 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,280 Speaker 2: the pass for Buffalo is trying to you know, I guess, 791 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 2: force a turnover on special teams maybe and force a fumble. 792 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 2: Maybe you're able to keep Gilber off the field. But 793 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 2: at the same time, you do want Josh Allen to 794 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 2: be Josh all That's something to keep an eye on too. 795 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 2: You know, they spoke all off season about Josh Allen 796 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 2: needing to throw the ball away run less, and it 797 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 2: was pretty clear they were trying to sanitize his game. 798 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 2: It didn't work out. You know, if anything, he got 799 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 2: into his head last week he finally kind of was himself, 800 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 2: so maybeybe he turned a corner and then just cut 801 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 2: the loose from here on out. 802 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: Here's an invitation to join lapp in me for the 803 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: Bengals pep Rally show this Friday. We'll be at the 804 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,399 Speaker 1: Wings and Rings location in Finnytown from three to six 805 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,239 Speaker 1: and DJ Reader is scheduled to join us for the 806 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 1: final hour of that show. That's going to do it 807 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: for this episode of the Bengals Booth podcast, brought to 808 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,720 Speaker 1: you by pay Core. 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