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Speaker 1: In a shocking turn of events, Charlie Kirk is dead.

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Speaker 1: The conservative fire brand was speaking to students at Utah

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Speaker 1: Valley University in Orum, Utah when a shot rang out.

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Speaker 1: Horrific footage of the incident shared on social media within

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Speaker 1: minutes showed Charlie Kirk's neck violently snapping back after the

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Speaker 1: shot rang out, and now the announcement from turning Point,

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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk is dead at Utah University in an explosive

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Speaker 1: event that was being held for students and conservatives on campus.

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Speaker 1: As Charlie Kirk is welcoming everybody there with a quick

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Speaker 1: Q and a one shot rings out and it hits

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Speaker 1: him in the neck. Joseph Scott Morgan, I have to

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Speaker 1: ask you. You've seen the video. You've seen the shot

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Speaker 1: that appears to hit Charlie Kirk, and it looked I

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Speaker 1: saw the front of his shirt bunch up a little bit,

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Speaker 1: and I saw his arms go out. It reminded me

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Speaker 1: of jfk in Dallas. What are we looking at right

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Speaker 1: now with the Charlie Kirk shooting.

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Speaker 2: Estimates are that this shot took place at almost a

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Speaker 2: range of approximating two hundred yards away, so that means

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Speaker 2: that someone would have had to have gone to the

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Speaker 2: trouble of zeroing a weapon. I imagine this is a

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Speaker 2: long arm and probably scoped at a two hundred yard range,

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Speaker 2: and it was all witnesses are reporting that all they

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Speaker 2: heard was a single shot that was fired, and the

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Speaker 2: fact that it was the target area is such a

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Speaker 2: small area that gives you an idea of the precision.

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Speaker 3: Kenda Crowns.

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Speaker 1: Have you had a chance to see the video of

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Speaker 1: the actual shooting, yet, all.

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Speaker 4: I've heard is a descriptions so far that he, like

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Speaker 4: you just said, he reached up to his neck and

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Speaker 4: blood was starting to gush out of his neck. So

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Speaker 4: that to me means some pretty vital structures are hit.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, that's what I was kind of after, and

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you saying that, because that's my question right now. Guys,

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Speaker 1: a shot to the neck, there's a lot going in there.

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Speaker 1: And Joe, I know you and I've had talks about

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Speaker 1: this in the past about what happens in c when

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Speaker 1: you're in the cervical area of the neck. It's referred

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Speaker 1: to as C C one through what C seven and

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Speaker 1: when you're down CE five and below, you can survive

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Speaker 1: that a lot of the time, depending on where exactly

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Speaker 1: you hit. But above C five that's not survivable, is

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Speaker 1: that right?

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Speaker 2: You know, your your chances are getting slimmer and slimmer

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Speaker 2: the further up you you travel up the spinal column.

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Speaker 2: And one of the things that really stood out to

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Speaker 2: me is this drawing of the arms up with the

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Speaker 2: clinching of the thumbs, which you know many times I

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Speaker 2: think that anybody that watches NFL football or college football,

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Speaker 2: you see these these players that have concussions that have

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Speaker 2: neuro problems as a result of getting their cage rattle,

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Speaker 2: that sort of thing. You know, again, we don't have

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Speaker 2: definitive diagnostic evidence of this, but you know, you just

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Speaker 2: visualizing this, you kind of get a sense that something

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Speaker 2: neurologically is going on here. And he shot in the neck.

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's face it, you know, we don't know

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Speaker 2: how extensive that is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Charlie Cooks, he's a young man. He's thirty two

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Speaker 3: years old.

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Speaker 1: He started turning point back in twenty eleven, I believe,

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Speaker 1: so he's been after this since he was a very

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Speaker 1: young man. He's married, he's got a couple of children,

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Speaker 1: and I think the thing that gets me the most

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Speaker 1: is that Charlie Kirk is going on college campuses, and

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Speaker 1: right before this happened, he was. He actually posted a

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Speaker 1: video on x of him throwing out hats, turning point

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Speaker 1: hats and the crowd was going crazy. But it was

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Speaker 1: set up so that there was one group of people

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Speaker 1: that was up close, then there was like a break

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Speaker 1: of people like an aisleway, and then another group of

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Speaker 1: people behind that. There is security all around, and he

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Speaker 1: was under a tent where he was actually beginning to speak.

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Speaker 1: And as I said, this is before he actually begins

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Speaker 1: his actual speech.

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Speaker 3: He's actually doing a quick Q and A. It's about

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Speaker 3: two minutes in when the shot was fired.

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Speaker 1: You saw the shot, You saw his I saw his

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Speaker 1: shirt puff out.

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Speaker 3: That's what I saw in that video. Did you guys

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Speaker 3: see the same thing?

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Speaker 1: Joe?

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Speaker 2: Well, for me, my focus really wasn't on the shirt,

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Speaker 2: on the shirt itself, It was literally watching his hands

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Speaker 2: and seeing his response. He kind of listened to his

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Speaker 2: left and fell out of the chair and it was

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Speaker 2: it was really quick. The movement of shirt would not

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Speaker 2: surprise me because there's kind of a concussive element that

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Speaker 2: comes along with the round striking many times, and that.

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Speaker 3: Part you've seen many injuries like this.

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Speaker 1: What would you first look at when you're taking a

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Speaker 1: look at an injury like Charlie Kirk appears to have

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Speaker 1: a shot to the neck.

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Speaker 3: What do you expect to find? What do you expect

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Speaker 3: to see?

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Speaker 4: So with the next structures, you have only a small

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Speaker 4: amount of space with major structures running. So you have

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Speaker 4: the internal crowded are the jugular vein, and then you

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Speaker 4: go more centralized. It's your main stem bronchi or your

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Speaker 4: whim pipe that gets all the air in there, and

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Speaker 4: then immediately behind that is your cervical verbra one through seven,

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Speaker 4: like you were talking about earlier, three four and five

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Speaker 4: see three four and five. Keep the diaphragm alive. So

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Speaker 4: if those if it's anywhere in three four and five,

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Speaker 4: you can't breathe anymore. If it's above three four and five,

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Speaker 4: you're dead. One and two you're instantly dead. So six

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Speaker 4: and seven you might be a quadriplegic at that point.

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Speaker 4: So really, if the shot is more centralized, it can

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Speaker 4: hit some pretty major vascular structures. It can wipe out

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Speaker 4: your ability to breathe, and it can instantly paralyze you

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Speaker 4: or even kill you.

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Speaker 3: Joe.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned distance of fire and possibly using a long rifle,

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Speaker 1: which we don't know yet. We just know this is

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Speaker 1: what we're hearing. None of this is confirmed. But two

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Speaker 1: hundred yards away with a long rifle. What kind of

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Speaker 1: a rifle can shoot that far and that accurate?

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Speaker 2: Well, any any military grade weapon, hunting rifle. You know,

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Speaker 2: I think that people to want to be, if they

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Speaker 2: wanted spot on accuracy, would probably have scoped weapon, long arm,

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Speaker 2: if you know, because if you if you think about

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Speaker 2: an idea of someone firing actually a hand a handheld

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Speaker 2: weapon like a handgun, the range of fire on those

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Speaker 2: is not is not as robust as a long arm.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know, we talk a lot about the ballistic nature

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Speaker 2: of rifled rounds, and pistols are rifled. However, that longer

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Speaker 2: barrel facilitates that retention of energy. As this round travels

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Speaker 2: down down range, you're also going to have what's called

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Speaker 2: drop with the round. The further down range it goes,

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Speaker 2: the round begins, it's the nature of gravity will pull

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Speaker 2: that round down toward Earth, So you have to be

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Speaker 2: able to adjust your fire or at about two hundred

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Speaker 2: yards you'll get somewhat of a drop. The idea that

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Speaker 2: somebody using an iron sight from that range and being

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Speaker 2: that exact, they would have to be one hell of

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Speaker 2: a shot in order to do that. My suspicion is

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Speaker 2: it might be a scoped weapon at that kind.

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Speaker 1: Of range talking two football fields away, I velocity weapon,

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Speaker 1: and you're dealing with somebody with the expertise to pull

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Speaker 1: this off and to be able to be cagy enough

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Speaker 1: to be able to pull this weapon out and get

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Speaker 1: a shot off without anybody seeing. That's another part of

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Speaker 1: this that we've got to deal with too.

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Speaker 3: Right now. We know that.

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Speaker 1: Earlier this afternoon, Charlie Kirk was shot at a rally

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Speaker 1: at Utah Valley University in Aurum, Utah. It was about

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Speaker 1: two minutes into his talk with students. They were doing

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Speaker 1: a Q and A and one shot rang out, not

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Speaker 1: multiple shots. One shot and as jo Scott Morgan said,

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Speaker 1: he's hearing about two hundred yards away. Join us tomorrow

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Speaker 1: with Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, where she'll keep you

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Speaker 1: updated on what's happening with the shooting of Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 1: today in Utah