1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm excited today because 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: we have talked quite a bit about woke Hollywood, woke Disney, 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: woke this, woke that. And I found a guy who 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: is someone who spent a lot of time in Hollywood 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: and realized that Hollywood is kind of falling apart. And 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: I think we've all seen this, but he created a film, 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: recently produced a film called Burt Reynolds The Last Interview. 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: And I watched this documentary and I found it was 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: so fascinating to hear the way Burt Reynolds had kind 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: of his career, had kind of moved from Florida to 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: New York to Hollywood and that manifestation and how Hollywood 12 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: has changed over time, and Rick captured it perfectly. So 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: Rick Pamplin, he is with me today. He is the 14 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: writer and director who recently released this film, Burt Reynolds 15 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: The Last Interview. Rick, thank you for being here. 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Tutor. You know I'm a huge fan. 17 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 2: Bless you, your followers, your family, and all the great 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: people of Michigan which helped raise me. I was born 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: and raised in Michigan. I started my career in Michigan. 20 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: So I'm always very interested in the state of Michigan, 21 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: and I just I'm very honored to be with you today. 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. And I learned that Burt Reynolds was 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: born in Michigan. 24 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: Absolutely, he's Lansing. 25 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: That was I didn't know that. So that was fascinating 26 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: to me. And he was kind of one of those 27 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: rough and tumble guys that I grew up with watching 28 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: him on TV and watching him in the movies, and 29 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: I just I wanted to watch this film because I 30 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: didn't know that much about him, and I honestly, I 31 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: think everybody is sort of fascinated by Hollywood and the 32 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. And you had Quentin Tarantino in the film, 33 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: that's also been someone that you kind of follow in 34 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: You're like, he's had some really strange movies that had 35 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: become crazy hits, you know, kind of these cult following movies. 36 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: But Burt Reynolds was the same. And just that connection 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: I didn't even know that was there. What made you 38 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: say to interview him, because he's not an easy guy 39 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 1: to interview. 40 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: Well, what was interesting? First of all, I want to 41 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 2: say one thing about the film. Burt Reynolds and Quentin Tarantino, 42 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 2: along with some other close associates of Bert, makeup sort 43 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: of this film about Bert and his life in Florida 44 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 2: and how he spent the last thirty years of his 45 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: life outside of Hollywood, the real Burt Reynolds. But a 46 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 2: lot of people have said to me exactly what you 47 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: said to especially women. They said, you know, I kind 48 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: of liked Burt Reynolds, but after your movie, I really 49 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: got to know him and I love him now. I 50 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: really love the guy. And you know, I understand what 51 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: you're saying about Quentin, who was my new best friend. 52 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 2: But Quinton graciously agreed to do the film because he 53 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: loved Burt so much, and I did this interview with him. 54 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: And I've had so many people say to me, you know, 55 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 2: I'm sometimes I'm a little turned off by the violence 56 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: and Quentin's films, but oh my god, I loved him 57 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 2: in your movie. So as a filmmaker, I'm a real 58 00:02:56,760 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: documentary filmmaker. I'm not a made up you know, political 59 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 2: agenda Woe Hollywood guy. I don't. I just was in 60 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: search of the real Burt Reynolds. And I love the 61 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 2: fact that I show people like Quentin Tarantino are Burt 62 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 2: Reynolds in the real light of who. 63 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: They are right now. I think that he's a genius. 64 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, some of these movies will 65 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: forever be like ingrained in our vocabulary. I mean, there 66 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: are times when people will come to me and be like, 67 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: what is that. I'm like, I don't know. I think 68 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: it's Marcellus Wallace's soul. You know, It's like those memories 69 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: of movies stick with you forever and you they just 70 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: become a part of you. And he's one of those 71 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: guys that created movies that, as like I said, as 72 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: crazy and violent and different as they are, they have 73 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: become a part of life. And he became a part 74 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: of Hollywood that I don't think any of us really understood. 75 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: But to watch him and you're right to see that 76 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: side of him where he was talking about Burt, in 77 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: that relationship that he had in and wanting to be 78 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: wanting to get to know him and get close to him, 79 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: and those even the last few days where he's like, 80 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, we got to see him read this part 81 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: that he actually would never end up performing. But the 82 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: legend of Burt Reynolds. To see that Quentin Tarantino, who 83 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: I grew up with and thinking like this guy is 84 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: some sort of a master at creating art and movies. 85 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: You know, him to have this great like respect for 86 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: Burt Reynolds, and at the end of his life those 87 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: last few days to say, there was no I had 88 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 1: no idea that he would be gone, because they obviously 89 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 1: felt that he was this icon. 90 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think Bert knew when we did the interview. 91 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: You know, I'll just tell you just real quick and 92 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: then I'll answer your other question. But when we did 93 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 2: the interview, it was supposed to be I was doing 94 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: a film about how to help people tell their stories 95 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 2: and raise money to make in the ben At films. 96 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 2: That's what the movie was about. And you know, we 97 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 2: kept trying to get Bert. Bert had been very ill, 98 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 2: and we shot for five weeks, and the last day 99 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,559 Speaker 2: of the last week, we got a call that Bert 100 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 2: would talk to us for fifteen minutes if we would 101 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: come to his film school. And I'm fine, right, So 102 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: we went to his film school and Bert came in. 103 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: He couldn't walk, he had to have out walking and 104 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: he sat down and I asked him about and all 105 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: this is in the movie, and I asked him about well, 106 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: you know, film finance. Because I don't know anything about it. 107 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be good at it. So it's like, okay, great, 108 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: that's a right up. Thanks Bert. You know I pursued 109 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 2: Burbenthos my whole life, and so what happened was I 110 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 2: remembered when I was a kid in school in Michigan 111 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: reading The Catcher and the Rye and now holding Crawfield, 112 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: and the book said, you know, if these kids would 113 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: get up and talk about their book reports and they 114 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: could go into these stories about their uncle and it 115 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: was more interesting than the book, and the teacher would 116 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 2: say no, no, no, stay on topic. And I always 117 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: wanted to hear the other story. And I thought I 118 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 2: chased Bert mentals my entire life. I was a kid 119 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: in Flint, Michigan who bought a ticket and win saw 120 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: a movie called Deliverance, and I was like, oh my god, 121 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 2: this guy is just an amazing That movie really affected 122 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: me as a teenager. And then I went to Hollywood 123 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: and I had a film project with Burt and Sally 124 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: Field that I pursued, and we had William Morris and 125 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: all these big agencies, and we got very close. And 126 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 2: then I moved to Florida, and it so happened. Burt 127 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: lived down the road, and several times I went to 128 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 2: meet Burt. He never showed up. He had this museum, 129 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 2: you know, acting school whatever. And then one night he 130 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: came over. I had a birthday celebration and the owner 131 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 2: of the restaurant was very good friends with Burt and 132 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: sat me next to Burt, and then Burt came over 133 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: and wished me happy birthday. So there was all these 134 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 2: little things. I originally, many years ago, I was the original, 135 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 2: one of the original creators of Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling. 136 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: So I lived in Las Vegas and we were shooting 137 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: the show, and there was a comedian at the Riviera Hotel, 138 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: Joey Villa, and he says, Hey, have you ever met Bert? 139 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: I said, well, not really. He said, I just got 140 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: cast in this movie called Heat that Burt Reynolds is shooting. 141 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: You want to take me to the set. It's a 142 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: night shoot, and you want to go with me, you 143 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: can meet Burt. I'm like, hey, I'm all in. So 144 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 2: we go to this location in Las Vegas and I'm 145 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: with Joey Villa, the comedian who was the headliner the 146 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: Splash Show, at the rivera hotel. He's going to do 147 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 2: this part in this movie. And there's like police officers 148 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: and there's you know, people with cameras and you know, 149 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 2: ropes keeping fans back, and there's ambulance citizen police cars. 150 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: And I'm like, wow, this, you know, it's like a 151 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: Frederico Fellini movie. You know, it's like, what is this? 152 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: I guess this is a Burt Reynolds set. And then 153 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: they pull this guy out on a stretcher and he's 154 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: like oh, and I'm like, who's that And they're putting 155 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: him in the air. They go that's the director and 156 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 2: I was like, well, what happened? Well, Bert just punched 157 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: him out. 158 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. We told a story in the film 159 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: that's similar to that with his father. 160 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 2: So we go to the set and you know, Joe, 161 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: he's like, oh, do you want to meet Bert. I'm like, 162 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: not right now, Let's give it a little time. I'm 163 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: six four and a big gun. I go to the 164 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 2: far wall behind the camera operator and I put my 165 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 2: back against the wall. I was like, this probably isn't 166 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 2: the night to talk to Bert. So anyway, there was 167 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: a very famous incident and the guy sued and Bert 168 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 2: had to pay money. He mentions if we talk about 169 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 2: it in the movie. But Bert was a bigger than 170 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 2: life character. I pursued Burt Reynolds my entire life. So 171 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: when I'm sitting there and he goes, I have no interest, 172 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: I don't know anything about fundraising, and I'm sitting there 173 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 2: with three camera is my crew, all of his students. 174 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 2: I thought about holding Cawfield and the catcher in the ride. 175 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: I thought, you know, we're just gonna talk. I don't care. 176 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 2: And so I believe Burt knew he was at the 177 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: end of his life. He'd been very ill, he couldn't walk, 178 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: and so we talked. The fifteen minute interview became an 179 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: hour and fifteen minutes. So when he died, we heard 180 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: from magazines, tabloids. People offered us one hundred thousand dollars 181 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: cash just to have snips of the interview. And I'm like, no, 182 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. I don't want to 183 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 2: do that. And we had given money ownership of our 184 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 2: first film, the one that Bert was in, to the 185 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: Burt Mental Scholarship, which he helps, you know, young film 186 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: students in Florida, And so we sat on it for 187 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: about two years and one day my editor called me 188 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 2: and he said, hey, Rick, if you looked at the 189 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: Burt and it was footage, he said, I said no. 190 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: He says, I went in to do a little teaser thing, 191 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 2: and he said, I was mesrized. I watched the interview 192 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 2: and I said, well, could you just do an assembly 193 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: of it with time code and no color correction send 194 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: it to me. And of course everybody sat down and 195 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: watched it, and we cried like babies because Bert was 196 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: gone and it was so moving, and I got this idea. 197 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 2: I said, we should just unedited, unscript uncensored, we should 198 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 2: make we should build a movie around this, and I 199 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: should go like Citizen Kane in search of the real 200 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: Burt Reynolds, and we should wrap it around this interview. 201 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: So that was the genesis. It took us literally the 202 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: quickest we've ever raised money. It took about three days 203 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: to get the funding, and it took us forty eight 204 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 2: hours to get a contract with a distributor. It was 205 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: the quickest any movies ever come together. But I didn't 206 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 2: want people to exploit Burt or take clips out of context, 207 00:10:58,520 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: which is what our world is right. 208 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: Now, right absolutely well, And I thought It was interesting 209 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: because during the interview he says something about someone just 210 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: got a bad impression of me, and even today, I 211 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: have to go and I have to fix this now. 212 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: And you could tell he was very upset by this, 213 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: and I thought that was fascinating because here's a guy who, 214 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: of course has gone through everything, he's been a public 215 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: figure his whole life, and yet still he's fighting these attacks. 216 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: And I think that's something that you would say, that's 217 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: kind of Hollywood crumbling. It's no longer about storytelling and 218 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: taking yourself out of it. He was a master of 219 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: teaching people to behave in a certain way. That art 220 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: and acting was behaving and showing some becoming the person. 221 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: And yet today we see Hollywood instead of taking us 222 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: to another world, Hollywood is now striking and most of 223 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: the times our favorite actors are out there telling us 224 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: how bad we are. We're used to seeing what the 225 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: art they create, not their own personal opinions. And I 226 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: could see he was sort of he was sort of 227 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: alluding to the fact that things had gotten rough in 228 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:12,200 Speaker 1: the world. 229 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was very unhappy with the state of the 230 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: movie business. He was happy that Quinton had called and 231 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: he went out and he did the table read with 232 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 2: Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio and all that, because he was 233 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: going to be back in a big, a list picture, 234 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: but he was very discouraged by the business and the 235 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 2: deeper issue for me, you know, I believe God put 236 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 2: us together at the end of his life, and I 237 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: believe one of it. The people closest to Bert said 238 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 2: to me recently, he said, this is the perfect last 239 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: movie for Burt Reynolds, because Bert would be so proud 240 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 2: of what you've done with the film that you didn't 241 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 2: censor it or edit it or exploit Burt. And you're 242 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: giving money to the scholarship fund, which we're doing out 243 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: of the second film as well. But my bigger issue, Tutor, 244 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 2: and you get this in your audience gets what is 245 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 2: the garbage we're producing in Hollywood that's going into children's minds? 246 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 2: Right this, this terrifies me. When I was a kid 247 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: growing up in Michigan, Okay, Hollywood and movies, I don't 248 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 2: care if it was Jimmy Stewart, I don't care. You know, 249 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: Henry Fonda, You know I learned how to be a 250 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 2: man at the movies. You know, I learned how to 251 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: be a moral person, and there was an underlying Judeo 252 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: Christian value to motion pictures and they weren't evil. And 253 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: you know, I have movie paths and I go to 254 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: the movie theaters at least once a week. I can't 255 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: even find a decent film. 256 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: Hap No, I know, it's weird. That's my mom. So 257 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 1: that used to be our thing, was my mom and dad. 258 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: We used to go to the movies every Friday night 259 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 1: after school. I would spend the night with my parents 260 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: going to the movies. And we just loved movies. Loved them. 261 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: I loved the idea being transported to another place and 262 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: just getting immersed inous story. And I loved the whole 263 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: movie theater aspect and eating the popcorn, the smells, everything. 264 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: It was fantastic. And I feel like I can't share 265 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: that with my kids because there's just nothing nothing. 266 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 2: Well. I know your show is political, and I love that, 267 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: and I love you, and I endorsed you and campaigned 268 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: for you, and we support you completely and we think 269 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 2: your message in this podcast is very important. But I 270 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 2: want to say something to your viewers. If we don't 271 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: take back the culture, we want nothing. 272 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, us. 273 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: We must not only take back our country and protect 274 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 2: the constitution and individual rights and free speech and all 275 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: of those wonderful things. But we have to win the 276 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: culture war because that's the next generation. And when I 277 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: was a kid, I watched the Andy Griffin Show. When 278 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: I was a kid, I watched movies that inspired me, 279 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 2: movies that made me who I was. And I'm not 280 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 2: saying that. Like Burt says in our movie, there's dark 281 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 2: places you can go to, there's themes that you can explore. 282 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: But the point is people are good. America is great, 283 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: and we're losing it. The propaganda and the whop nonsense 284 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: it's coming out of Hollywood. They're not making any money. 285 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: Nobody's watching the omeric shows. The theaters are empty. They're 286 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 2: making product that promotes an agenda, like you've called out 287 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 2: on your podcast, Disney, They're making a product that is 288 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 2: political that nobody wants. 289 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 290 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. There was a movie, and now 291 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: I can't remember what it was called. It was just 292 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: last year, I think, or maybe two years ago, and 293 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: it was two men that fell in love and ended 294 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: up getting married, and nobody watched it. And it was 295 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: funny that you say what you say, because at the time, 296 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: we had someone working with us on the campaign who's gay, 297 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: and he said, why would they make that movie? And 298 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: I said, well, why would you say that? Like I 299 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: would think that movie would appeal to you. And he 300 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: was like, really, because women love the sappy rom com 301 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: love story. Men don't want to go see it, So 302 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: why would you make a movie about two men Because 303 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: women are never going to go see the movie about 304 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: two men and men don't care about the sappy romance story. 305 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's so funny because I would never 306 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: have thought about that. But you make a great point. 307 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: Hollywood is making movies we don't want to consume, and 308 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: so they're giving I mean, it's to me, it's kind 309 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: of like evs. You know, we're being forced to buy 310 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: electric vehicles and none of us want electric vehicles. Hollywood 311 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: is giving us films that we don't want to immerse 312 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: ourselves in and we're not interested in that doesn't appeal 313 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: to us. And there is just a reality that these 314 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: films are failing for a reason that's not the audience. 315 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: You know, you have to create something that has an audience, 316 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: something that has a consumer base and right now they're not. However, 317 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: I will say they are. They're genius about getting into 318 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: our kids' heads. And so we have all the streaming 319 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: and our kids can watch anything right at their fingertips. 320 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: Right My kids are like, what are commercials? Why did 321 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: you have to deal with that? They have no idea 322 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: what it's like to wait for the next episode for 323 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: a week. You know, that's just not part of their life. 324 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 1: They just binge watch a TV show. And if you're 325 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: not carefully watching, these shows are all about hating adults. 326 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: You're there's no or there's no adult in the home 327 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: for some reason. Kids are raising themselves, or they're going 328 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: to school and they're throwing things at the principle and 329 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: tying them up in the gym. I mean, it's just 330 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: outrageous what's happening in our culture today. 331 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you know, I worry about this a lot, 332 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 2: and as a filmmaker, I find I find myself being 333 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: extra careful to try. Look, first of all, I want 334 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: all voices to be heard. I want all voices to 335 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: be heard. And if if if the other side was 336 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: restricting free speech and centrat i'd be I'd be against that. 337 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 2: I'm an in depended. Okay, I have very strong political feelings. 338 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: I vote all the time, but I want free speech. 339 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: I want all voices heard. But I also you know, 340 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 2: Christians are being villainized in motion pictures. And you know, 341 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: I did what I mentioned earlier one of my early 342 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 2: successes when I was a kid starting off, I did 343 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: this show called Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling, and there were 344 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 2: thirty six female characters in the show. And I wrote 345 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: what is called the Bible, not my word, their word, 346 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 2: which was the biographies, and I cast these women and whatever. 347 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 2: And so we had a character. We had this wrestling team, 348 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 2: Spike and Chainsaw, and this character they were having parody 349 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: of a heavy Metals, you know, sisters, and they would 350 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: go around with a live chainsaw. So we'd have the cheerleaders, 351 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 2: you know, and then they take this chainsaw and they 352 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: cut the pom poms as they were doing the cheers, 353 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 2: and they would run around in a live show with 354 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: the chainsaw. And that wasn't a real chain so we 355 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 2: had Rubbert, you know, a rubber blade thing on it. 356 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: But that was okay for a syndicated television show. But 357 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 2: one time we wrote something and we said Jesus Christ 358 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: and standards and practices came back to me and said, no, 359 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 2: you can say Jesus in a derogatory way, that Jesus. 360 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:24,239 Speaker 2: But you this was in the eighties, you might not say. So. 361 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 2: We can have a chainsaw cutting people's body parts up 362 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 2: in a children's TV show, which is what Gorgeous Lady's 363 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 2: Wrestling was on Saturday mornings, but you can't say the 364 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 2: word Jesus Christ in a favorable way. So how do 365 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: you fight going on pardon? 366 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: How do you fight that? 367 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: Well, you have to do what you're doing. You have 368 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 2: to take to the airways. You have to organize people, 369 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: You have to educate people. You have to say, look, 370 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:53,639 Speaker 2: go watch Burt Reynolds, Go watch films that have values 371 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 2: that mean something and that don't don't pander to this wokeism. 372 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's almost so like the people in Hollywood 373 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: have absorbed this. And I could tell even You asked 374 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: him an interesting question, you said, do you think that 375 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: this was your acting skill? Was a gift from God? 376 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: And he took a long time to answer, and they said, no, 377 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: it was a gift from man. I had a man 378 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: who taught me, and I learned, and I wondered if 379 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: that meant he was not a man of faith, or 380 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: if that was him kind of protecting that because he 381 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: knows that's not a popular conversation in Hollywood. 382 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 2: It just was. 383 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: It just really struck me because as a Christian, you know, yes, 384 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 1: we believe that our gifts come from God, but you 385 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 1: do grow up in a culture in LA that is very, 386 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: very I guess, atheist, and you're not even allowed to 387 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: speak about Jesus Christ. 388 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 2: I did a Christian television show with a live audience, 389 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 2: and I was promoting another movie and I called a 390 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: Hollywood pagan Wood and the audience went crazy, and it 391 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 2: was the New Jim Baker Show. It was all over 392 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: the world. And my son called me up and he said, Dad, Dad, 393 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 2: he said, you just ruined your career. You can't call 394 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 2: Hollywood pagan Wood. And I've been calling him pagan Wood 395 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: every since, and my career is doing just fine. But 396 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 2: the truth is, you know, when I left Hollywood, I 397 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: went to Universal Studios in Orlando, and I was kind 398 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 2: of fed up with the LA lifestyle. My son was 399 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 2: I think five years old at the time, and I 400 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,479 Speaker 2: didn't want him growing up in that culture. And I 401 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: had a family situation where I needed to take care 402 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 2: of my mother. So, being the good son, I came 403 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: to Florida. I fell in love with Florida. I interviewed 404 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: with Disney and Universal. Universal had a better situation, and 405 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: so I was at Universal Studios from well a number 406 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,920 Speaker 2: of years, from nineteen ninety four to two thousand and eight, 407 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 2: and they kept going in a wrong direction. Halloween, horror nights, 408 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: you know, all of this glory of cation of things. 409 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 2: I just wasn't comfortable. So I decided to become an independent. 410 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 2: But I've made a living in my movie company. This 411 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 2: is our thirtieth year. I've been able. We don't have 412 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 2: any debt, we have perfect credit. We have movies in 413 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: the marketplace. And I've made a movie about jag Or Hoover. 414 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: I've made movies about subjects that interested me, the real 415 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 2: jagg Er Hoover, not the bake one. And by the way, 416 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: that movie Hoover, I'll just show you real quickly. With 417 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 2: Ernest borgnine, we opened in theaters there you can see it. 418 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 2: We opened in theaters and Google play just picked it 419 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 2: up and YouTube movies just picked it up. 420 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: So that's amazing. 421 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: If you make films with different perspectives, but they're well 422 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 2: made films. You can reach an audience. And that film, 423 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: you know, which is decades old, mister borgnine has passed on, 424 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 2: has reached tons of and I've had FBI people call me, 425 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: and I've had all kinds of people say, oh my god, 426 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 2: thank god you told the truth because Jaker Hoover was 427 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: a great patriot and all of the smears and all 428 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: of the stuff to ruining isn't true. We prove it. 429 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: And by the way, I'm not giving it away. But 430 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 2: at the very end of the movie, because of my movie, 431 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: the New York Times was forced to retract and it's 432 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 2: in my movie some of the things they had published 433 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: about Jake Er Hoover that couldn't be proven. 434 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: Wow. 435 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I have a deep Deloche, the deputy director 436 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: for twenty eight years, is in my movie, we tell 437 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 2: the truth about Jaeger Hoover, how we went from a 438 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 2: lawless society, how the FBI was formed, How you know 439 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: he used to be able to chase a bank robber 440 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 2: to the county line and then they got away, and 441 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 2: Jaeger Hoover centralized law enforcement. He was the real guy 442 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 2: who made this country a law and order country and 443 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,239 Speaker 2: made it safe for people to walk the streets and 444 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 2: put their money in banks and not you know, be 445 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: killed by you know, John Dillinger and alcohol to these people, 446 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 2: and it's a fascinating sorry and they fill a hoover 447 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 2: just like they're vilifying George Washington and Thomas Jefferson. They're 448 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 2: trying to destroy our history. We know what it is, 449 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: we know what they're doing. We've got to get the culture, 450 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: we've got to get the educational system, and we've got 451 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 2: to get the political system fixed. We don't have a choice. 452 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more of my interview with documentary film 453 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: director Rick Pamplin. But first, I want to take a 454 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: moment to tell you more about my partners at IFCJ. 455 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: Since October seventh, the attacks on Israel have increased, with 456 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: Iran and its proxies launching an attack of hundreds of 457 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: drones and missiles, and Israel is now living with the 458 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: harsh reality of terror every single day. 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That's eight eight eight four 474 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: eight eight four three two five. Or go online to 475 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: support IFCJ dot org to give again. That's one word, 476 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: you guys can go there and give right there. We 477 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: need your gift. It's support IFCJ dot org. More with 478 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: Rick right after this. Well, the educational system is a mess, 479 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: and I think that's what we're seeing right now in 480 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: these college campuses. These kids. This didn't happen at college. 481 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: This happened for years, and these kids got to college 482 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: and they were at the perfect moment where their brains 483 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: could be molded the way the radical left just wanted 484 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: them to be molded. But I hear what you're saying. 485 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 1: I think that. I don't say it's just education, like 486 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: I said, I think it is a lot of the 487 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: culture what they've watched. And now everybody is a movie maker, 488 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: because everybody puts out tiktoks or you know, videos on 489 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: Instagram or something where they're constantly Our kids are barraged 490 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: with information. And like yesterday, I was looking at the 491 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: stuff that's happening with with Harrison Bucker and from the 492 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: Chiefs who came out and he gave this commencement speech, 493 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: and there was this meme that was going around saying 494 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: that it was a statement from him saying he apologized 495 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: that he just wanted to go back to the fifties 496 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: and sixties. It was all blowney, it was all made up. 497 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: And this has been shared over and it was a 498 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: satire site that put this out. Women across the country 499 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: have been sharing this. This guy wants us to go 500 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: back to the sixties. He's a scumbag. He's got to 501 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: be fired. And I just think everyone can produce something 502 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: and put it out there and everyone's desk for it 503 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: to have something viral, something quick. But the real true 504 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: art of movie making. People are now afraid to get 505 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: into it. Everybody has everybody's afraid of how much it costs, 506 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: so you have to tell us how you fund it, 507 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: and then everybody is also feeling like nobody has that 508 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: kind of attention span anymore. 509 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 2: Well, I think you make a great point. I think 510 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 2: what you're doing with this podcast and YouTube is the future. 511 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 2: And I've done a couple of interviews and I told people, 512 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: if you can't raise the money to make a film, 513 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: which is very hard and it's kind of a riddle, 514 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: Conservatives don't like to put money in the arts. 515 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: I know why. That's why we're in this situation exactly. 516 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 2: So we need conservatives to rethink how they spend their 517 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 2: money and their resources. And my wife and I got 518 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,959 Speaker 2: to a point, we will not patronize the bad films, 519 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: the pagan Wood films. We won't. We don't want nothing 520 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,639 Speaker 2: to do with it. I've been nominated on the Oscar ballot, 521 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: I've been nominated the Best on the Director's Guild I've 522 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: had movies and theaters, but I'm not going to play 523 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 2: their games. I don't care. I have stories to tell. 524 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 2: I follow Jesus Christ. In fact, my next film is 525 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 2: about Jesus. I don't care anymore, you know. And I'm 526 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: finding success in the streaming world, which is funny. Hollywood 527 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: can't get two hundred million of film back on streaming, 528 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 2: but small independent filmmakers like me that work on smaller budgets, 529 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,239 Speaker 2: we're finding that the streaming is a gift because we 530 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 2: can reach our audience. You know. I'm on Rotten Tomatoes 531 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 2: with the Burt Renhos film with one hundred percent audience 532 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 2: rating and one hundred percent critic rating, which is uneartha. 533 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 2: I can go directly to the audience, like talking with 534 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 2: you today and anybody that wants to see the film. 535 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: We're now on the abod as well as the paper, 536 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 2: so you can watch it for free. You can go 537 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: watch it if you want it. All it's glory, but 538 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 2: go to moviemoney dot com, moviemoney dot com and you'll 539 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: see it trailer of the Bird film and you'll see 540 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 2: all the boxes you can just click. You can watch. 541 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: We're picked up by airlines. We're picked up by libraries, 542 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: and I love library I grew up in libraries. I 543 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: love the fact that my movies are available on hooplup. 544 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 2: They're available through libraries for free because I want people 545 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: to see other stories. I don't want to censor the 546 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 2: bad films that people are making. I just want all 547 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 2: voices to be heard and let the marketplace decide. Well 548 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: right now, in Hollywood, they wouldn't fund anything. And I've 549 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: been smeared in the minute. You say I'm for Jesus 550 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 2: or I'm for Tutor, or I'm for this, or I'm 551 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: for the people who attack you. 552 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: Right, Oh yeah, I'm aware. 553 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so we have to hold together. That's why 554 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: I loved your interview with Ted Nugent. I grew up 555 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: listening to Ted Nusge. I grew up in Michigan, and 556 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 2: I want to thank all the people in Michigan who 557 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 2: helped shape me inform me. I started as a film 558 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 2: critic in Michigan. I worked for a CBS affiliate as 559 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 2: a newsman w E YI for a year and a half. 560 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 2: I used to you know, I worked for Roalter Cronkite. 561 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: It was a real journalist. I actually did a story. 562 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: When Richard Nixon came to Saginaw. Dan Rather was the 563 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 2: White House correspondent. I did all of his leg work 564 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: for him. It was a great experience in Michigan. But 565 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 2: all my values and everything I believed in were shaped 566 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 2: by the people of the great state of Michigan. I 567 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 2: thank them. I'm thankful for that. I'm glad I didn't 568 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: grow up in Hollywood. I loved Florida. I loved California 569 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 2: when I was there. But I got to tell you, 570 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 2: I'm still a Michigan boy. I just don't like the 571 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: cold weather, so I'll stay. Yeah, I'll stay in Palm Beach. 572 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. I've heard that before. I've heard some other people say, 573 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: my mom goes to Florida in the winter. She complains 574 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: about the weather too. But it is a beautiful state. 575 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: So I appreciate you saying that about our beautiful state 576 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: of Michigan. Before I let you go, I just want 577 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: to say for anybody out there who is considering watching 578 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: this finding this movie. I watched it on Amazon, so 579 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: it is readily available to you. You can just find 580 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: it anywhere. You really get an insight into Burt Reynolds 581 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: that you wouldn't I mean, I think you're right when 582 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: you say God brought you together and you got to 583 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: have an interview that wasn't what you were anticipating, because 584 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: I think you brought out a person that we all 585 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: wondered who he was, and we got to see him 586 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: and he told stories of long ago. He told stories 587 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: about his father. We got to know how he got 588 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: to this point. But he also told stories of being 589 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: like a really tough guy. 590 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 2: You know. 591 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: The story that you shared wasn't in there, but we 592 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: got to hear about him being kind of a no 593 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: nonsense person, And to me, that was one of the 594 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: most valuable parts because he wasn't a victim. He wasn't 595 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: going to take crap. Even when he said somebody had 596 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: come out with some bad story about him, he was like, 597 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: so now I have to go fix that. He wasn't 598 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 1: crying in the corner. He wasn't making a TikTok video 599 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 1: about oh my gosh, my feelings were hurt. He's a 600 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: tough guy, you know, and you watch this movie and 601 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: you're inspired to that to be that person. So I 602 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: appreciate what you were able to do with it, and 603 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: I encourage everybody to go out there and watch it. 604 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 2: I know, Ron, thank you very much. I know we're 605 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: out of time, but I have to leave you with this. 606 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 2: I had dinner two weeks ago with Bert's pastor, the 607 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 2: person who did his funeral, and his name is Patrick Moody, 608 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 2: and his father, Jess Moody, was Bert's pastor and for 609 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: years tried to bring Bert to Jesus. Two things. If 610 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 2: you look really closely, Bert had a gold cross on 611 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 2: that blue sweater. He wore a cross in that interview, 612 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 2: and on his eightieth birthday. He died when he was 613 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 2: eighty two. Patrick told me two weeks ago at dinner 614 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: that Bert came out on his eightieth birthday for Jesus 615 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 2: and he completely gave himself for the last two years 616 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 2: of his life to Jesus. So there's a credit at 617 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 2: the ending. 618 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: Oh that is amazing. 619 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 2: Exclusive You're the first person I've told that to. 620 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: Oh, that is such a cool story, and I think 621 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: that it is faith is so personal and so amazing, 622 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: and that I will just say that. I've had so 623 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: many people talk about, well, I got to cut this 624 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: person out, and I've got to do, you know, get 625 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: rid of this person, or this person needs to be 626 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: You have some sort of you know, awakening, and I 627 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: can't do it. You just never know. Eighty years old, 628 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: there's hope for Joe Biden. 629 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 2: For God, bless you, your family and the great people 630 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 2: the state of Michigan. I love all of you. 631 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and thank you for being on. 632 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: Rick Pamplin check out his films. Make sure you go 633 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: over there and you watch this Burt Reynolds interview. It 634 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: is amazing. And thank you all for joining the Tutor 635 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: Dixon Podcast. For this episode and others, go to Tutor 636 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: dixonpodcast dot com or you can subscribe or head over 637 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: to you the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 638 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: get your podcasts and join us next time on the 639 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast. Have a blessing.