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Speaker 2: We got an email during the break somebody had said,

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Speaker 2: we should teach our kids money. They should learn about

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Speaker 2: mortgages and interest rates, in compounding and investing. You know,

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Speaker 2: when I was running for city council, first time it was,

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Speaker 2: he had a blue chip, well respected boutique trust company

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Speaker 2: at the time it felt like eighty trillion dollars, but

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Speaker 2: So let's say you had to have a million dollars

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Speaker 2: talk about the fundamentals of finance personal finance. I want

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Speaker 2: to me. And I did, and it probably turned into

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Speaker 2: thinking about things like, what if you have a stroke

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Speaker 1: What if? What if? What are you doing to at

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Speaker 2: Sure that you got, you know, via any sausages and

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Speaker 2: And so I think about all the things that people

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Speaker 2: And if I'm being completely honest and I'm not insulting

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Speaker 2: don't know anything about finance, are engineering or science? Who

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Speaker 2: Even the best intended teachers are caregivers. They love children,

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Speaker 2: teaching is learning. When I give a speech, which I

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Speaker 2: give fewer and fewer these days, but when I give

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Speaker 2: Let's start with Chris, then Kyle, then Gay, Dave, then Heather,

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Speaker 2: than Mike. Chris, You're on the Michael, But how about that?

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Speaker 1: Chris? Kyle?

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Speaker 2: What what what just happened?

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Speaker 1: Chris? You're up? Gheed? I bet Ramon didn't pot him on?

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Chris, Yes, I was just calling to say

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Speaker 4: Things like how to change the time, how to change

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Speaker 5: Of things that these kids these days they.

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Speaker 1: Don't know what to do. There's just agreed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you look, ideally, a dad ought to teach

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Speaker 1: Who haven't done that.

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Speaker 2: You know, sports is such a such an interesting thing

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Speaker 2: You know, people teach their kids to fish because they

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Speaker 5: I've got a long laundry list, But my biggest pet

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Speaker 5: Because the best form of saying thank you is a

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Speaker 2: You can write a hand that is printed. I've asked

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Speaker 5: I just believe it looks more formal and as opposed

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Speaker 5: You know, yeahs opinion.

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Speaker 2: I suppose you're right for me. I didn't give you

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Speaker 2: There's something unique about each person's cursive.

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Speaker 1: I got an email in the break from my full name.

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Speaker 2: send me quirky unique startup businesses. Businesses are nostalgia businesses

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Speaker 2: that our owner occupy, owner operated, interesting business callers. Hold

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Speaker 2: It's a marketplace for accounting professionals. It matches accountants their

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Speaker 2: if you think of Percento Technologies, which has been a

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Speaker 2: Percento Technologies was built on the concept that many companies,

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Speaker 2: Well, it's even worse with computers, and now you've got

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Speaker 3: Are They need to teach the US Constitution for at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I wonder you know a lot of

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Speaker 1: Up in Texas?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: I didn't.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in New Jersey.

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Speaker 1: That's gay. Do you know that you have?

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Speaker 3: Can I tell you?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: But hold on, I want to tell you this. You

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Speaker 1: I can I tell you?

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Speaker 3: Can I tell you a quick story about a cursive.

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Speaker 1: Writing about what?

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Speaker 3: When I was in eighth grade? Yeah, cursive writing story.

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Speaker 2: Somebody typed that up? You know what typing is. It's print.

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Speaker 1: Now. I know we're all supposed to say I miss cursive,

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Speaker 2: Some people are saying, if the old documents are the

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Speaker 1: Probably you know what strikes me.

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Speaker 1: My favorite chocolate that is where I went to school,

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Speaker 2: it's I think certain aspects of history should be preserved.

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Speaker 2: to understand that we're preserving them out of vanity, out

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Speaker 2: ones declorates rdependence. Okay, have you read it incursive in

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Speaker 5: I have?

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Speaker 1: You haven't.

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Speaker 2: I guarantee you haven't. Okay, if you have, what did

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Speaker 2: You've never seen this letter written. There is a letter

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Speaker 1: It screams out, look at me, look at me.

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Speaker 2: I'm the dork that goes and looks at this document.

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Speaker 2: that nobody else does. It's weird. Nobody does. The words

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Speaker 1: Hundred and fifty years. Nobody is going.

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Speaker 2: Nobody is saying, well, you're gonna have life in liberty.

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Speaker 1: But that's all we're giving you. No, we get to

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Speaker 2: Which was supposed to be prosperity. By the way, in

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Speaker 2: the original. It was incursive. We won't happiness too, No, doctor,

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Speaker 2: It does, I swear it does. Show me let me

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Speaker 2: go get my cursive copy. Well, it says right here,

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Speaker 1: Oh man, y'all change the words on us.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it said it. Nope, this is a document.

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Speaker 2: It's not even questioned. No one is questioning those documents

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Speaker 1: It is called a long.

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Speaker 2: It's no point in me telling you the story. It's

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Speaker 1: It looks like congress.

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Speaker 2: If you don't know that, because it is so striking

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Speaker 2: Because the language itself, not the manner of writing it,

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Speaker 1: Thought, yeah, we got beil to read the declaration.

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Speaker 2: You're reading the Declaration in the same way that every

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Speaker 2: so many things that we never read. I've read I

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Speaker 2: You go to Monticello and you see Jefferson's writing. Jefferson

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Speaker 2: and you go, I can't tell, because I can't read

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Speaker 1: You can't. You can't. It's like a doctor's writing. Now

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Speaker 2: In the time they wrote in this style, we've lost

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Speaker 2: give it thought. But I am for teaching cursive, and

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Speaker 2: I'll leave that at that. I could have just said that,

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Speaker 2: I got out there and I got a bunch of

439
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Speaker 2: old ladies going, I'm not sure I'm going to listen

440
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 2: to Michael Berry anymore. I thought he was on our team.

441
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 2: You know, he wasn't for Trump at the beginning. I remember,

442
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: he wasn't for Trump. He's come around, but you know,

443
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: now he's over there. Shoot, he's he don't even want

444
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: cursive no more. I don't know what he thinks. He

445
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 2: wasn't for Trump. Remember he talked about it and he was,

446
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,120
Speaker 2: and now he's over there. We don't need cursive. You've

447
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 2: got some upside down f I don't give a damn.

448
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 2: I learned cursive.

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Speaker 1: You ought with you.

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Speaker 2: It's the Michael Berry's fort, where we have all your

451
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 2: formal where needs, from morning suits to coordinating accessories. The

452
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 2: best explanation I have heard, and it comes from a

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Speaker 2: law man friend of mine.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see.

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Speaker 2: Cursive is important zar because it strengthens cognitive development, It

456
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: enhances fine motor skills for kids, and it boosts their

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Speaker 2: overall literacy. I'm not sure that's even true, but that's

458
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 2: very impressive. That's an actual reason. It just makes me

459
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Speaker 2: crazy when people say things without any consideration for what

460
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Speaker 2: they say in never having thought about it, and then

461
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: you challenge it and they pitch a fit. Got to

462
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 2: be able to read the declaration is the lamest answer ever.

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Speaker 1: You don't care about the declaration?

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Speaker 2: Well if reading the Declaration of Independence incursive is how

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Speaker 2: you prove whether you care about the declaration. You don't

466
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: care about the declaration because you've not read it in

467
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: cursive and I'm willing to go on the It's one

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Speaker 2: of those things like cow tippin or any number of

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Speaker 2: other things that people will say they've done.

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Speaker 1: And when you really get down to it, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe yes, Like why you love water Burger? It's right there.

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Speaker 1: Tell me something that you love about where you live?

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Speaker 1: What burger? Okay, great, tell me about it right now? Yeah, right,

474
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Speaker 1: just tell me about it. You're gonna love water Burger's

475
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Speaker 1: the best? What makes it the best? Wherever you are

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Speaker 1: there's a water Burger? Yeah, it's always right there, okay?

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Speaker 5: And then when you get there, what do you like

478
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Speaker 5: about it?

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00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 1: What do you get? Whatever you want? You could order

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Speaker 1: whatever you want.

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Speaker 2: Then, right, But there are a lot of places like that.

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Speaker 5: So let's say there's a McDonald's burger king, a Sonic,

483
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 5: and a Waterburger all lined up?

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00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: Which one do you go to?

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00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 3: Water?

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Speaker 1: Right? Right? Why? Okay, here's another one I can respect

487
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: because this is an honest answer.

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Speaker 2: I favor cursive out of my own enjoyment of its

489
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 2: conveyance of personality and uniqueness. I also believe it has

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00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: become a comical way to communicate openly among younger code workers,

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00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: like a secret code. One of cursiff's flaws is also

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00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: its benefit. I've observed the preferred usage of cursive amongst

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00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 2: individuals who have poor spelling. They can scribble the first

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00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: two and last two letters and everything in between is

495
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: their unique penmanship. If you cannot admit you have done

496
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: that in your life, you.

497
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: Know what that's the equivalent of.

498
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 2: In the gud dud, Yeah baby?

499
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: How many songs do we not know all the words?

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Speaker 2: There's a little girl in our neighborhood, turn to Johnson

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00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 2: and good, good, good, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I had go and.

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00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: See her a don none and none and over to

504
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: the brother was making chicken and the frying pot, and

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00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 2: her grandma was that is what that is cursive allows

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00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 2: you that Doctor Wright.

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00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did hear from a lot of mommies.

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00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: That their kids have uh dysgraphia and dyslexia, and apparently

509
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: cursive helps with that, which is cool.

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00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: I like that. I don't deny it. I don't know

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Speaker 1: one way or another.

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Speaker 2: The most surprising, I guess not surprising because we've had

513
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Speaker 2: this conversation before. Chad Nakanishi is is an enigma. He's

514
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: a fascinating cat because his brain processor, because his half

515
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 2: Japanese is really really good. It's really really smart. But

516
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 2: his spelling is really really bad, and it's a it's

517
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: a running joke, and he's the first to tell you.

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00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: He said, I can't read cursive.

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00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 2: So the problem I've come across is that I love

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00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 2: to pull and collect my family history. However, when I

521
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: pull old family histories like my great grandparents' marriage license

522
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: below which he's attached, I have to ask one of

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00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: my sisters to quote unquote translate some of the cursive.

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00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: Not saying kids shooters shouldn't learn cursive, but it is

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00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 2: one of my personal struggles. Even the Census is incursive.

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00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: By the way, several of you mentioned the Census, and

527
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: you wouldn't be able to read this census.

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Speaker 1: Credit to you. I thought that was an interesting one.

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Speaker 2: This is the nineteen forty census of my great grandparents

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Speaker 2: and their kids. It's especially confusing to me because I

531
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: knew them all by their generic American names Janet, Mildred, Thomas, Norman, Pauline, Robert,

532
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 2: and Earl, but their legal Japanese names are listed in

533
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: the census, which I've had to learn thanks to help translating.

534
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: I love these conversations. I think it's fascinating, just fascinating.

535
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: How we retain records, how we go back and access

536
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: those records, because they're not just records. They're not just

537
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: writing on a paper. They're who we are. They are

538
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: our DNA. That's not just a name on a paper.

539
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: That is our DNA. You know, Sandy Peterson's making a

540
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 2: sour dough bread. She might have already made it, and

541
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 2: she said that the that the whatever you call it,

542
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: the cure, the whatever, the seedling of it. You know,

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00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: when you get the sar O brand you bring it home,

544
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: it's whatever, that little clump of it that it is.

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00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: It's two hundred and fifty years old. I don't know

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00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: where she found it. I mean, you think about, you know,

547
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: you propagate a flower with you propagate a tree. You

548
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: think about, you know how an animal passes one to

549
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: the next, to the next to the next, and in

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Speaker 2: three hundred years this is the lineage. That's some deep stuff, man,

551
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: that's really really deep stuff. And that these are the

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00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: documents you access to get there. I find that to

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00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: be very cool. All right, you folks have to be

554
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: fast so I can get all of you on. So

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00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: what is the thing they don't teach in school that

556
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: they should? I think this is handwriting because it's all women. See,

557
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: you can tell topics by sex. Men are like handwriting,

558
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: dumb ass, just blurn cursing. Women are going but dyslexia

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Speaker 2: and dysgraphia and the census because ninety eight point six

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Speaker 2: percent of people who do ancestry studies are women. Teresa,

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Speaker 2: go ahead, Hi, Michael, Okay, what should they teach that

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Speaker 2: they're not teaching?

563
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: Go ahead, sweetheart.

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Speaker 4: Well, I still believe in teaching writing by script because

565
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: it strengthens the eye hand brain connection and it creates

566
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Speaker 4: neural pathways for your brain.

567
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Speaker 2: So you're second or third or tenth person to say that,

568
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: how do you know that.

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Speaker 4: I read it about twenty years ago.

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Speaker 3: I have.

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00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: No I read it in a printed book.

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Speaker 1: Are you a former teacher, pardoning, Are you a former teacher?

573
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 4: No, I'm a nurse. Nurse okay, but I did homeschool

574
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 4: and my kids a couple of times like different My

575
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 4: different children had different problems in school, and just to

576
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 4: sort of assist them, I went homeschooled them. And where

577
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 4: we lived in Canada, they had a great provincial system

578
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 4: where they could give you all the materials for the

579
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 4: curriculum that year, and so basically it was all pre set,

580
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 4: pre done. You know. You took the pages at the

581
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 4: beginning of the week out of the big binder, put

582
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 4: them in the smaller binders, and that's all they have

583
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 4: to do for that day.

584
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Speaker 1: I miss binders. I still use binders.

585
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: I have binders all around me. I have tabs.

586
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: They're all marked off, and people will say to me,

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00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: you can put all that on the computer. I know,

588
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: I know.

589
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: I love binders. I love flipping through binders. My show

590
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: sponsors for each letter of the alphabet I have. You

591
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: know AA is Allied Siding, and you know windows and

592
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: Allied Custom Roofing and all Star Construction and outdoors, and

593
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: then you know, you go to B and you go

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00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 2: to C and you and I enjoy turning the pages

595
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: like a I don't know. It's a connection to the

596
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: past and it's tactile. I can touch it, I can

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00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: turn it.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at my screen.

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Speaker 2: I've received over three hundred emails on Christy fascinating