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Speaker 1: I was just looking at if you want to know

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Speaker 1: the Caitland Clark effect, Like there's a lot of great athletes,

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Speaker 1: but there's only a handful that have literally ever changed

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Speaker 1: the ascension of the galaxy and the purses of like

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Speaker 1: the athletes. Caitlin Clark comes into the WNBA. The salary

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Speaker 1: cap they just renegotiated. The WNBA just renegotiated their new CBA.

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Speaker 1: The salary cap almost quadrupled. That is the Caitlin Clark effect.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is the league three years ago, two

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Speaker 1: years ago, they were pulling the plug in arena deals

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Speaker 1: like it was a mess. So Tiger Woods did that

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Speaker 1: to golf, he changed how much you could make. Serena

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Speaker 1: probably did that, Tiger Caitlin Clark, Serena, Tony Hawk did

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Speaker 1: he do that? Yeah, skateboarding Tony Hawk. I don't know

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Speaker 1: skateboarding salaries. I did it for free as a kid.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, just like there again, Lebron's great, He's

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Speaker 1: not changing what guys are making, Steph Curry's great, Caitlin Tiger,

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Speaker 1: Tony Hawk, Connor McGregor. Although Connor got rich, that didn't

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Speaker 1: mean they had third guy in the card got rich.

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Speaker 1: So and I'll say Connor's influence is a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Connor out of his prime. UFC doesn't feel the same

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Speaker 1: still great, entertaining, it doesn't quite feel the same Connor had.

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Speaker 1: He was just you know, there was just combustible, controversial, wild.

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Speaker 3: Even as he aged, you had to watch his fights.

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Speaker 6: All right, Cowhard, Yeah, you're right. Lakers fans want you

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Speaker 6: to go.

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Speaker 7: Back on vacation, head back to the Caribbean if.

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Speaker 6: They lose to the Pistons tonight.

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Speaker 7: Okay, you gotta get out of America. The Lakers are

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Speaker 7: so hot right now. And it's not just me saying that.

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Speaker 7: Everybody's noticed. This team's unstoppable. Lebron's bought in. Here's Draymond

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Speaker 7: Green talking about the Lakers as real contenders.

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Speaker 8: Luca's been playing absolutely incredible. Ironically, the Lakers have been

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Speaker 8: playing absolutely incredible. Ironically, DeAndre Aiden has been playing better. Ironically,

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Speaker 8: Marcus Smart's been playing better because that is the magic

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Speaker 8: of Luka Doncics.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 6: Luca at the top of his.

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Speaker 8: Game makes everyone around him better. You got Luka Doncic

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Speaker 8: and Lebron James on the court at the same time.

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Speaker 8: You havevishits always against anyone.

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Speaker 1: I would argue that Austin Reeves is finally one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent healthy.

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 1: I always thought Austin Reeves was a bit, you know,

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Speaker 1: because Lebron's playing so well, and Lebron, you know, kind

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Speaker 1: put him in a playoff series, people are gonna hunt him.

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Speaker 1: You're not much of a defensive player. Some athletic limitations,

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Speaker 1: But I would say Austin Reeves right now being healthy.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody's done the data on this.

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Speaker 1: Austin Reeves healthy and Austin Reeves not playing or banged up.

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Speaker 1: That's part of the nine game winning streak too.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and just imagine next year potentially Lebron doing a

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Speaker 7: little like ninety percent of what he's doing now, but

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Speaker 7: making the league minimum instead of fifty million. Now that

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Speaker 7: that's possible, I know, I don't want to jump too

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Speaker 7: far ahead. Let's get the Lakers through the Western Conference

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Speaker 7: finals first.

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Speaker 6: Uh, take it, take it down the thunder. They'll be fine.

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Speaker 6: You just love to see it. Lakers pisses today.

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Speaker 7: No kid Cunningham, Well that's brute.

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Speaker 1: I mean that that they they can't advance, mean he

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Speaker 5: That is a.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know if they're gonna have cave

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Speaker 7: for the first round. Colin, it's not a lock that

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Speaker 7: he's back, says he reevaluated in four weeks. So injuries

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Speaker 7: taking their told. Anthony Edwards is down right now. But

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Speaker 7: the thunder got J Dubbed back. We'll see if that

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Speaker 7: wrecks their chemistry. All right, enough bashing Oka se let's stick.

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Speaker 5: In the NBA.

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Speaker 7: Oh wait, we can bash okay see Moore because wouldn't

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Speaker 6: Okay, see gotten another fight over the weekend. What's wrong

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Speaker 7: Here we go against the lowly Wizards. A lot of

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Speaker 7: trash talking. Oh there's a show, and here we go.

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Speaker 7: They're in the stands throwing haymakers. Jay Lynn Williams not

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Speaker 7: J dub the other J Williams. Four players were rejected.

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Speaker 7: Aj Mitchell, who's a good promising player for OKAC. I

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Speaker 7: don't know what he's thinking of you. What are we

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Speaker 7: doing getting in a fight with the tanking.

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Speaker 3: Well, let me defend OKAC.

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Speaker 1: First of all, they play real defense every night, okay,

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Speaker 1: Yeah they and they don't, but there's a feeling. The

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Speaker 3: To meet their sort of energy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and so what happens is a lot of okay

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Speaker 1: but they give you. They're so deep, they have great energy,

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Speaker 1: they put a body on you, and the way to

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Speaker 1: to me feel like they're almost and this is not

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Speaker 1: a little animosity oh toward to OKAC and the chippiness

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Speaker 7: Come on, No, maybe the refs should be like, hey,

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Speaker 7: you guys, can't put your hands all over these guys.

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Speaker 3: You haven't even bought them.

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Speaker 7: Dinner yet, and you're all over them all over the court.

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Speaker 6: And that's what's leading to the fights.

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Speaker 5: Colin.

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Speaker 6: They're playing to hit this stuff in the butt, you

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Speaker 6: get fights.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is not bad for basketball the intent. What

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Speaker 1: hurts the NBA is load management, tanking, and nobody gives

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Speaker 6: A week, what do you want this to be? The

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Speaker 3: I didn't bother me at all. I think.

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Speaker 1: Listen, they're not touching fans. They're just banging into each other.

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Speaker 6: I'm here to see basketball artistry.

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Speaker 7: Where he fights?

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Speaker 6: Where's he fights?

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna watch UFC or boxing? All right, I'm disappointed

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Speaker 7: in Okay, see you know it. Final story, Colin, this one.

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Speaker 7: They just brought this to me.

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Speaker 6: I'm a little shocked. So UNC and Hubert Davis.

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Speaker 7: Obviously, North Carolina had a brutal loss up by nineteen

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Speaker 7: cannot believe that Todd Golden, the Florida coach, is the favorite.

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Speaker 7: What he just wanted Natty at Florida and he's want

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Speaker 7: to leave for Chapel Hill.

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Speaker 1: Why would you leave Florida for Caroline. I know Carolina

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Speaker 1: historically is better. Yes, okay, I'm not denying that. But

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Speaker 3: Do they have one?

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Speaker 7: They are one of the best teams at the SEC

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that doesn't make sense to Florida. No state tax.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Gainesville is a great place to live. I

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Speaker 1: used to live in town. Gainesville is great. You have

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Speaker 3: That doesn't make any sense to me.

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Speaker 7: Now, Golden has had some issues off the court.

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Speaker 6: You can look them up on the internet if you want. Nothing.

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Speaker 6: It just wasn't great.

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Speaker 7: I don't see this as a possibility.

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Speaker 6: I do.

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Speaker 7: It does sound like the momentum is there for Hubert

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Speaker 6: You guys know you know we went to the same

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Speaker 7: Uh, he's obviously a lot older than me, but at

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Speaker 7: Hubert Davis's ation.

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Speaker 5: Let me ask you.

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Speaker 1: best jobs in college basketball. So let's let's sayin like definitely, Well,

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Speaker 6: I think Michigan's getting up there.

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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you I would go so one, two, three, four, five,

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking everything all.

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Speaker 3: In your state.

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Speaker 6: Kentucky apparently spent in Yukon.

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Speaker 3: Kansas, Carolina, Arizona. Now there is some question.

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Speaker 1: The feeling in North Carolina is you're not going to

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Speaker 1: lose anybody in the portal at Carolina.

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Speaker 3: They'll just pay top dollar.

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Speaker 2: Hold on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so here here's a great example. Walter Clayton.

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Speaker 1: He was the bucket getterer last year for them to

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Speaker 1: guard really good college player. I don't know if he'll

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Speaker 1: be a great NBA players, very good college Okay, they

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Speaker 1: lost him the bucket getter and.

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Speaker 3: They still canim come back in their number one seed. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean I think Carolina probably cares more about basketball.

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Speaker 1: Florida fields like a football school with a great basketball program.

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Speaker 1: Carolina feels like first, second and third of basketball school

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Speaker 1: that may not tolerate Belichick for eight more games, but

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Speaker 1: they are now, so I guess. I mean, I would

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Speaker 1: say Carolina's fourth, fifth, third, best job, Florida's top seven

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Speaker 1: or eight, is it not?

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Speaker 6: I mean you got to put Kentucky in there obviously.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, mine bad Kentucky.

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Speaker 7: The nil situation has really changed the landscape. I cannot

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Speaker 7: see Golden leaving for Chaplain. I don't see that at all.

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Speaker 7: Florida is at cash cow.

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Speaker 1: Just like, without getting into too many particulars, you said,

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Speaker 3: Did he get in trouble or something.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he was doing some weird stuff and sliding into

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Speaker 7: DMS and it's boy, it wasn't a great look, but

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Speaker 7: You're a good recruiter. Keep an eye on him.

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Speaker 9: Look, I don't hold the game this weekend against.

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Speaker 9: First of all, to your point about Lebron not being

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Speaker 9: He's doing so many things he hasn't done throughout his career.

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Speaker 5: So that's great.

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Speaker 9: As far as the playoffs, I think the Lakers, Colin,

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Speaker 9: I would see that kind of as a seven game series.

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Speaker 9: I could see either team winning that.

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Speaker 9: What would be interesting, Colin if the Lakers get to

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Speaker 5: Could the Lakers with their experience.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's interesting, I think sometimes when you make

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Speaker 3: He's going to age.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to give up four

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Speaker 9: Well one, I think the Knicks would have trouble making

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Speaker 9: wouldn't if I'm the Bucks, they would have.

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Speaker 5: To go out and get a third or fourth team.

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Speaker 5: I think, Colin, yeah, sure, if I'm.

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Speaker 5: I just think it's gonna be.

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Speaker 9: Tough with a third or fourth team having to be involved.

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Speaker 5: Colin, the team I think made a mistake.

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Speaker 9: And I think should go wholeheartedly after Yannis this summer

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Speaker 5: Houston should have gone.

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Speaker 9: They should have offered Shoon and whether it's Reed Shepherd

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Speaker 9: That's the mistake. So they gotta do that this because

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Speaker 5: Fair, you got Durant, so your win.

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Speaker 9: Now, go get Giannis this summer and pair him with Durant,

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Speaker 5: Try to win a championship.

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Speaker 9: So I think Minnesota also should make a charge, although

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Speaker 9: I don't know that they'd have the pieces.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: See, this is my take on this as well. Like

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Speaker 1: I know Houston does not want to give up Aman Thompson.

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Speaker 1: Like I know that he is defense and energy and athleticism.

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Speaker 5: You might be able to keep him. I agree with that.

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Speaker 5: I think they maybe could keep him in that deal.

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Speaker 5: But you know, we'd have to see.

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Speaker 3: So I want to talk KD. So he just surpassed MJ.

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Speaker 1: We put up the board the graphic earlier, and I said,

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Speaker 1: k D reminds me of Wilt and that most great

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Speaker 1: players Lebron Steph, Magic Bird, Doctor J, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan,

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Speaker 1: there's almost an obsessiveness about winning. They their moves are

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Speaker 1: always about winning, joining the best. Kad left the dynasty

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Speaker 1: to go play with a friend in Brooklyn, and like

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Speaker 1: Wilt Chamberlain, like was a man without a country, like

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Speaker 1: like Lebro. You know, Wilt was just flaky and fun

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Speaker 1: and a big personality. I love Kevin Durant's game. I

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Speaker 1: think he's one of the great I mean, and I

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Speaker 1: mean I put him in the MJ offensively elite category.

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Speaker 1: I think he's one of the great offensive players in

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Speaker 1: the history of the sport, catch and shoot off the dribble.

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Speaker 1: I think he's unbelievable. Do you think history because he's

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Speaker 1: bounced around? Will history be kind to Kevin Durant In

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Speaker 1: a league where a lot of players don't want to

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Speaker 1: make news, I mean, he'll come out and just tell

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Speaker 1: you I don't want to be a leader.

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Speaker 3: I'm a baller.

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Speaker 1: But I mean he doesn't even care, right, And I

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Speaker 1: like that about him. Will history be kind to Durant?

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Speaker 9: Look, I think Kevin Durant is a top twenty player

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Speaker 9: of all time. A lot of people think that's too low,

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Speaker 9: Like some people have him knocking on the door to

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Speaker 9: top ten I say top twenty.

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Speaker 5: And the thing is this, Kyle.

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Speaker 9: Look, when we talk legacies, obviously we include winning so much,

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Speaker 9: but organization, coaches, teammates, all of that's important. If Kevin

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Speaker 9: Durant had stay You mentioned him going to Brooklyn.

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Speaker 5: If he had to each his own, if he was

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Speaker 5: happy with his moves, then thank god for that. It's

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Speaker 5: all in. It's about what he wanted to do. But

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Speaker 5: if he had stayed in Golden.

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Speaker 9: State, colin he would probably have what four championships, maybe more,

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Speaker 9: maybe five, and instead of Steph being the guy that's

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Speaker 9: viewed as.

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Speaker 5: Top ten now all time, Durant would be that.

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Speaker 9: Guy because people looked at Durant as the best player

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Speaker 9: on that team. He won the two finals MVPs. But

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Speaker 9: when Steph won it without him after Durant left, he

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Speaker 9: moved up into that top ten. In most people's eyes,

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Speaker 9: that would have been Durant. So you are right in

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Speaker 9: that his legacy, I think it's obviously gonna be great,

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Speaker 9: but it could have been much better had he stayed

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Speaker 9: in Golden State.

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Speaker 5: And I'll say this for his legacy, I think Durant

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Speaker 5: is the was the evolution of dark Novitski. All right,

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Speaker 5: He was a bet.

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Speaker 9: He was like dark was that first seven footer that

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Speaker 9: was primarily a perimeter player and you know, wasn't a

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Speaker 9: terrific rebounder defender, but just a score. That was Durant

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Speaker 9: better shooter, better three point shooter, better.

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Speaker 5: Score than Dirk.

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Speaker 9: And guess what I think Wimby Now that we're gonna

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Speaker 9: see a bunch of Wimby's. But he's like the evolution

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Speaker 9: of Durant because he's he's seven six, Durant can do

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Speaker 9: and then some. So yeah, Dirk kd Wimby. But that's

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Speaker 9: the evolution.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great stuff, Buizz Always first things first, after our show.

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Speaker 3: Good see anybody all right?

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Speaker 5: Colin?

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Speaker 2: Thanks?

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think I don't know where I put Durant and

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Speaker 1: I've never written it down, but I will say that

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Speaker 1: I think in the history of basketball, they're not five

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Speaker 1: guys more offensively gifted.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, look at this. Wow Wow. Take a break

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Speaker 3: back news breaking it's the Hurt.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

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Speaker 2: and Noon Easter not a im Pacific.

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Speaker 3: Oh, this is a breaking news.

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Speaker 1: Chief's Pro Bowl tight end Travis Kelsey going to be

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Speaker 1: thirty seven in October. Early in the season. He just

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Speaker 1: signed a three year deal worth fifty five million bucks thereabouts.

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Speaker 1: You may go about fifty eight with some incentives, but

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Speaker 1: I know j Max is not going to like that. Listen,

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs are still fifth best odds to win the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Why because people are betting the Hunt family, Brett, Veach, Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: Kelsey in a big spot, Andy Reid, Steve Spagnola. What

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Speaker 1: you're betting on is their excellent leadership. I mean, go

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Speaker 1: look at the Patriots last year. How are they so good?

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Speaker 1: Part of it was Robert Kraft, Josh McDaniels, Mike Rabel,

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Speaker 1: the former Patriot, good young quarterback. Their roster wasn't one

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Speaker 1: of the two best in football, no way. I The

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Speaker 1: O line was a mess. They need another tight end

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Speaker 1: and another receiver. This is a leadership league, it really,

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Speaker 1: and so to me, how did the Broncos turn around

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Speaker 1: the organization with that terrible cap pit Sean Payton. Now

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Speaker 1: they have the second or first richest owners in the sport.

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Speaker 1: You know, Cortland Sutton, good leader, Garrett Bowles the left tackle,

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Speaker 1: good leadership. It's a leadership league. We all think it's

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Speaker 1: a talent league. It's a leadership league. I mean, Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers literally got the Steelers to the playoffs. They didn't

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Speaker 1: have a number two receiver. They were an awful offense

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Speaker 1: until he got there. They're the oldest defense one of

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Speaker 1: them in the league. They overspend on defense. Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: leadership EQIQ, whatever you want to call Aaron was just

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Speaker 1: made him a very good red zone team.

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Speaker 3: They were a terrible red zone team the previous five years.

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Speaker 7: So I.

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Speaker 1: Look at this and I'm like, if this is what Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: Reid and Brett Veach say, hey he's still great on

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Speaker 1: third down, then you know three year deal can be

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Speaker 1: in two years.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's I don't guaranteed money. I get it.

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Speaker 1: It's a leadership league, and he is gonna be I mean,

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Speaker 1: here's the utter thing. The wide receivers for the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: Rashi Rice, don't trust his maturity. Xavier worthies talented, but

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Speaker 1: a gadget guy. They don't have a I mean, Nicole Hardman.

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Speaker 1: They don't have a guy I trust, so Kelsey on

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Speaker 1: third down in red zone.

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Speaker 3: I trust him. Bahalms trust him, Andy Reid trusts him.

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Speaker 7: So I get you don't like it, though, Well that's

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Speaker 7: a good take that you trust Kelsey. Is it also

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Speaker 7: saying that Veitch and Reid don't trust the wide receivers

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Speaker 7: trust Week.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't trust him either, and it's a bad receiving class.

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Speaker 7: Now that the counter is I just looked up you

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Speaker 7: know the history of tight ends who are thirty seven

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Speaker 7: years old, and according to most of the data, tight

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Speaker 7: ends starts to decline around thirty two. I can't find

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Speaker 7: a wide receiver over thirty seven who had a one

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Speaker 7: thousand yard season eight hundred and fifty nine yards.

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Speaker 6: Tony Gonzalez seems to be the cap.

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Travis Kelsey is about thousand yard seasons.

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Speaker 1: I think he is a third down, red zone, fourth

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Speaker 1: down situationally excellent player. He and Mahomes can read each

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Speaker 1: other's minds. You're not looking for him to have ninety

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Speaker 1: four catches. That's not what this is about.

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Speaker 6: Where are you getting the punch from the running game,

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Speaker 6: Kenneth Walker? I mean over paying for the US.

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Speaker 1: I think they believe if they can nail, if they

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Speaker 1: can get that right tackle from Utah with their first pick.

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Speaker 1: They like Simmons at left tackle, Treed Humphrey's awesome at center. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Trey Smith is outstanding. I think the Chiefs believe, listen,

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Speaker 1: our offensive line looked bad last year. We actually think

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Speaker 1: if we can solve right tackle, it's really really good.

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Speaker 1: So I think their offen, I think they kind of

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Speaker 1: feel like, listen, we're going to have a rookie right tackle.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have a second year left tackle. We

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Speaker 1: now have a veteran quarterback, a veteran running back, a

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Speaker 1: veteran center. We're going to be a little older. We're

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Speaker 1: going to be a little older in some spots on offense,

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Speaker 1: but the defense is mostly young.

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Speaker 3: Outside of Chris Jones, it's mostly young.

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Speaker 1: So I don't like the Trent the Trent McDuffie move

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Speaker 1: bothers me, Kenneth Walker and Travis Kelsey.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is a this is a quarterback league.

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Speaker 1: If if Mahomes is better with a new right tackle,

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Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker and Kelsey, then you do it.

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Speaker 6: Let me let me ask you.

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Speaker 7: So super Bowl odds have the Chiefs fifth best in

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Speaker 7: the league. You and I have the Chiefs third best

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Speaker 7: in their division.

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Speaker 6: Right, So there's a.

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Speaker 7: Big disconnect here is this you know, Vegas saying hey,

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Speaker 7: buy the Chiefs. Low Mahomes is back, They're not going.

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Speaker 6: To miss the playoffs again. I think that would be

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Speaker 6: dumb money to invest in the Chiefs to win the

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Speaker 6: Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Well, it was a down year in the AFC.

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Speaker 1: Lamar got hurt, right, There was the McDermott heat Herbert's

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Speaker 1: both tackles. The offensive line was egregiously bad. So it

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Speaker 1: was a Indiana was playing greatuntil Daniel Jones got hurt.

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Speaker 1: It was a weird year in the AFC. My take

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Speaker 1: is it's a bounce back year. If Aaron comes back

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Speaker 1: with the Steelers, they're going to be a good football team,

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Speaker 1: not great, but good. So Travis Kelcey led them in receptions,

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Speaker 1: yards and touchdowns. I know he's older, but again, it's

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Speaker 1: not about total catches. That's not what he That's not

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Speaker 1: what hero. That's what the Seahawks need JSN to be

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Speaker 1: because they.

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Speaker 3: Don't have a dependable two. All Right, Travis

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Speaker 6: Kelcey scream seven in maybe I get invited to the

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Speaker 6: wedding