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Speaker 2: So they have to win upstairs. And you watch Kenny Pickett,

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Yeah? Well, the Bears a typical fashion,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when I sat down and ordered around. I looked

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Speaker 2: up and it was pouring rain. I was like, this

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Speaker 2: gotta look pretty good for Oregon State, right playing a

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Speaker 2: passing offense, you run the ball, physical defense. I do

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Speaker 2: think not to look too far ahead, but you know,

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Speaker 2: Oregon's a huge favorite against Oregon State in the Civil War.

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Speaker 2: Washington's a big favorite against Washington State in the Apple Cup.

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Speaker 2: Now things get weird in these, you know, rivalry games.

433
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Speaker 2: Auburn Alabama have been huge favorites, and Auburn's played him close.

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Speaker 2: But assuming they both win, do you look at Washington

435
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Speaker 2: because their defense and their team has just been a

436
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Speaker 2: little soft. They showed a little more grittiness in that game.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a gretty tough environment. Do you give them?

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Speaker 2: Because I feel like everyone's like, oh fuck, they got

439
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Speaker 2: no chance to beat Oregon in Vegas in two weeks.

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Speaker 2: I have a hard time just writing them off because

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Speaker 2: they do. I mean, it feels like they haven't lost

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Speaker 2: a game in like two years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think in a way the weather

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Speaker 1: helped them too. I mean the only thing that the

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Speaker 1: only thing anyone did on either offense all day was

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Speaker 1: Penis hitting a dunes. It was amazing. Just throwing it

447
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Speaker 1: up to him. He was one of eleven thrown to

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Speaker 1: anyone else, but Washington was just able to load the box.

449
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Speaker 1: So they they brought everyone down and they just said,

450
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Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to throw in this weather,

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Speaker 1: and Oregon State really didn't. And then Washington's corners played.

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Speaker 1: Mohammed played really really well the Oklahoma State transfer, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I give a little bit a little boost. They definitely

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Speaker 1: played better than I expected. And you know, when you

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Speaker 1: have Penis in that passing offense, it's the thing is

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Speaker 1: he's a rhythm He's a very rhythmic passer, and when

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Speaker 1: he's on, he gets going, but then he can go

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Speaker 1: off the rails. I think he had like eleven straight

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Speaker 1: in completions against Oregon State, who's not a great pass defense.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, if he gets on and gets hot, they

461
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Speaker 1: can certainly stick with Oregon. I think what we'll see

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Speaker 1: if both games go according to plan, you'll probably but both.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I assume both will win this weekend. They'll

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Speaker 1: probably wonder both We'll be close, really close somehow, as

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Speaker 1: you alluded to, but I would guess that Oregon will

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Speaker 1: probably end up being like a six seven point favorite.

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Speaker 1: Depending on how games go this weekend, but you can't

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Speaker 1: ride off that offense for sure. And I was impressed

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Speaker 1: by the day.

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Speaker 2: Okay, before we get into the NFL. Obviously the big

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Speaker 2: game on Saturday. He's Michigan Ohio State. And listen, I've

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Speaker 2: watched JJ McCarthy the last couple of weeks. Now I

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Speaker 2: understand the Penn State game. Why even mess around? I

474
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Speaker 2: thought in the Maryland game he had some like Jimmy

475
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Speaker 2: Garoppolo moments for some of those Niner teams where you're like,

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Speaker 2: do not screw this up? Which, listen, I'm not some

477
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Speaker 2: Rivals dot Com guru, but everyone hyped this guy up

478
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Speaker 2: hardball went all in with him, and then just listening

479
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Speaker 2: because I'm not just gonna watch Michigan fucking beat Rutgers

480
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Speaker 2: sixty to nothing. And I don't even know what those

481
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Speaker 2: passes mean, but you watch him as these games got

482
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Speaker 2: a little tighter, Let's face it, they don't have the

483
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Speaker 2: signs anymore, and he's just I don't want to say,

484
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Speaker 2: he's looked pedestrian, like he's better than the Penn State guy,

485
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Speaker 2: but he is no longer this He's getting drafted really high.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't see it in the guy, So

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Speaker 2: I listen, I would have loved Michigan, and maybe I

488
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Speaker 2: was just kind of riding the hype. How do you

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Speaker 2: not like Ohio State plus three and a half with

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Speaker 2: everything going on with Michigan given their quarterback is just

491
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Speaker 2: gotta be a major question mark right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a really fascinating game because I also

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Speaker 1: don't trust You're right, I don't trust macarthy and I

494
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Speaker 1: don't The other thing going on here is that without Harball,

495
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Speaker 1: they've gone into like super hardball mode where they just

496
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Speaker 1: want to run the ball like a trillion times like that.

497
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Speaker 1: But part of that also is their tackle situation is

498
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Speaker 1: a mess, like they can't block anybody on the outside.

499
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Speaker 1: Was actually a smart decision against Penn State because they

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Speaker 1: try to drop McCarthy back and Penn State is one

501
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Speaker 1: of the best edge rushers in the country, and the

502
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Speaker 1: first three drives he was just getting hit right away.

503
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Speaker 1: They have you know, they lost the talked about this

504
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Speaker 1: other week they left tackle to the Dolphins, his replacement

505
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Speaker 1: from Arizona State. It's not been good. He's hurt. You

506
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Speaker 1: got backups in there now. So their tackle situation is

507
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Speaker 1: a great Ohio State obviously as a great edge rush,

508
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Speaker 1: but you know, Ohio State's the offensive line has had

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Speaker 1: some issues too, And I don't trust their quarterback. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Kyle McCord just if you watch them take away when

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Speaker 1: he just looks at Marvin Harrison's one of the best

512
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Speaker 1: receivers in college we've seen in a very long time.

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Speaker 1: You know, he'll just look at him and third down

514
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Speaker 1: he is just I'm gonna throw you. And they really

515
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Speaker 1: haven't played anybody, so you can kind of get away

516
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Speaker 1: with that. So think, yeah, this is gonna come down

517
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Speaker 1: to you know who is number one? Can Michigan just

518
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Speaker 1: take away Harrison? You have to do that. You have

519
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Speaker 1: to have a safety over time. You can't let him

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Speaker 1: just beat you alone. Will McCord end up making a

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Speaker 1: mistake just trying to stare him down, which could happen,

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Speaker 1: But I just don't think that either passing offense is

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Speaker 1: gonna have much success with some of the offensive line

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Speaker 1: issues from what I've seen from McCarthy, what I've seen

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Speaker 1: from McCord, It's going to come down to this is

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Speaker 1: this is going to feel like, you know, an old

527
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Speaker 1: school Big ten game. Who can just get the three

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Speaker 1: yard push up front consistently, uh and then finish a

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Speaker 1: few drives off with touchdowns. I think this profiles is

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Speaker 1: an under I think these games have been higher scoring

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Speaker 1: of late. I just think Michigan will be super conservative again.

532
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Speaker 1: I think Ohio State wants to rely on its defense.

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Speaker 1: I don't really trust McCord. So yeah, but it's it's

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Speaker 1: that difficult game the handicap because we've seen neither team

535
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Speaker 1: has played a really hard schedule. So you have all

536
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Speaker 1: these like data points that are meaningless against just cupcake States,

537
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Speaker 1: and then you have the whole signed stealing, and then

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Speaker 1: you have everything going on with Michigan and Harball not

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Speaker 1: gonna be on that. So it's it's definitely probably the

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Speaker 1: most uncertainty I can ever remember heading into the game

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Speaker 1: in a very long time. But it'll it'll definitely be

542
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Speaker 1: an intriguing watch and I'm sure it'll break some ratings

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Speaker 1: records even without Harbor on the sidelines.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the Steelers had nine lives. They'd been outgained in

545
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Speaker 2: all nine games. Well, they didn't have a tenth life

546
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Speaker 2: because they lost. And I remember when Burrow got hurt.

547
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Speaker 2: Was that last Monday night whenever Burrow got hurt Thursday

548
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Speaker 2: Thursday night. Okay, we got my primetime games were thrown off.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just not that long ago that I looked

550
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Speaker 2: at their schedule and it's like the Steelers haven't even

551
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Speaker 2: played them yet. So I was like, the Steelers get

552
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Speaker 2: multiple games, and listen, this is not college football where

553
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Speaker 2: a guy gets injured the next five star comes up.

554
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Speaker 2: In the NFL, once you have a forty to forty

555
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Speaker 2: five to fifty million dollar quarterback, you tend to have

556
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Speaker 2: a random backup quarterback. Now I watch, and I'm from

557
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Speaker 2: the Sacramento area, I've been following this guy's career. He

558
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 2: played at fulsome High school, which is like a power

559
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: remember Da La Salle back in the day and never

560
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Speaker 2: lost in the Bay Area. They kind of became the

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Speaker 2: new Day La Salle and he went on to play

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Speaker 2: for Chris Peterson and listen, he was successful because the

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Speaker 2: program was. But not in a million years did I

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Speaker 2: ever watch him and think NFL quarterback. And he's been

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Speaker 2: out of college a little while. So this guy, Jake Browning,

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Speaker 2: maybe I'm biased. I just don't take him that seriously

567
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Speaker 2: as a player, but I'll be honest. You roll out

568
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Speaker 2: Kenny Pickett it's it's just your games are gonna be

569
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Speaker 2: tight and weird shit can happen, like you're just not

570
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Speaker 2: gonna score many points. So I'd have a hard time

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Speaker 2: placing a wager on Jake Browning. I know where you're

572
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Speaker 2: gonna go on this, But if you lose to Jake Browning,

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Speaker 2: I think today obviously firing Matt Canada, all the stats

574
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Speaker 2: are out first time they you know, fired a coach

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Speaker 2: in season, assistant coach, any coach you know since the

576
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Speaker 2: early forties. You have to wonder like could they you know,

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Speaker 2: Tom has been there a long time. They haven't won

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Speaker 2: a playoff game in forever. This quarterback thing's not really

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Speaker 2: working out, I don't you know. Just you would start

580
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Speaker 2: asking some questions like would there be a possibility because

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Speaker 2: you can't lose to Jake Browning. It's one thing to

582
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Speaker 2: lose to the Browns. Their defense is fucking unreal, Miles

583
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Speaker 2: Garrett is unstoppable. But Jake Browning and this Bengal team

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Speaker 2: I think would be a little different story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because the Steelers tomins he's never had

586
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Speaker 1: a losing record, so you never can even and you

587
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Speaker 1: don't have Ben Roethlisberger anymore. But you're never gonna get

588
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Speaker 1: like a two win season where you can get.

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Speaker 2: But he's he's not gonna have a losing He's gonna

590
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Speaker 2: end up. You know, he's already six and four, So

591
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Speaker 2: what's gonna end up? Around nine to eight?

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Speaker 1: And if you look at the AC playoffs picture like

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Speaker 1: the team that they had to worry about the most

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Speaker 1: was the Bengals. Who I mean, who else is there?

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Speaker 1: They have a really easy path. They even played the

596
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Speaker 1: Patriots in a couple of weeks. Who knows who's gonna be

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks for them? They played the Bengals twice, but I

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Speaker 1: played the Bengals plus one here I agree. I don't

599
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Speaker 1: think Browning is any good. But you see it all

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Speaker 1: the time with these backup quarterbacks in their first game.

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Speaker 1: That's it, their first game. They've been really successful, I

602
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Speaker 1: think sixty seven percent against the spread over the past

603
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Speaker 1: five years. Their first game. There's two things that happen.

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Speaker 1: One you sort of see this in the NBA too,

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Speaker 1: like star players out their first game half an injury.

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Speaker 1: Everyone else steps up, right, So you have an extended

607
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Speaker 1: break here after playing on Thursday nights, you a little

608
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Speaker 1: extra time to prepare and rest Chase should be one

609
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Speaker 1: hundred percent healthy. But everyone else steps up. It's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: we have the backup. They're five and five. They know

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Speaker 1: that this is it. Like if they want to make

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Speaker 1: a playoff run at home, they need to win this game.

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Speaker 1: But they'll have a game plan of probably a pretty

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Speaker 1: easy game plan for Browning, a lot of one read throws,

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Speaker 1: and there's not a lot of film on what they

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Speaker 1: want to do with him. And you know, once that's

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Speaker 1: out and it's like, all right, this is the easy

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00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: stuff that they want to do with him. The Bengals

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Speaker 1: are done. But I think for one game, Browning can

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Speaker 1: do enough. And I'm not asking him to do much

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Speaker 1: because you got to score like thirteen points here and

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Speaker 1: you'll win. Against the Steelers offense that is I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's abysmal. They I also don't know how much you could.

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Speaker 1: They just fired Matt Canada. I don't know how much

625
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: he can change in four days, right, like the old fightbook.

626
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Speaker 1: So they don't throw it over the middle of the field.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the passing chart of Kenny Pickett

628
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Speaker 1: every week, you could drive a super yacht through his

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Speaker 1: passing chart. He just throws it at the sidelines, that

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Speaker 1: is it. So it is insane, so like the offense

631
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Speaker 1: is completely broken. I think the Bengals defense will step

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Speaker 1: up here. I think, you know, everyone else on the offense.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure Chase will have like a couple of big

634
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Speaker 1: catches will step up. And remember this Steelers defense, they

635
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Speaker 1: will Levis look good against them. Jordan Love went up

636
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Speaker 1: and down the field. The secondary has some issues, so

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Speaker 1: I think brown and can make some throws. And I

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Speaker 1: think the Bengals and like this is their their hype

639
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Speaker 1: spot right with all right, first game without Borrow, everyone

640
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: else got to step up. I think they win this

641
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: game in ugly fashion. Steelers have been out gained in

642
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: ten straight games, the only team with the winning record

643
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: that's been done that they're due for even some more

644
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: negative regression. And but once that happens, yeah, Bengals, Bengals

645
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: are done. I probably won't be betting the much the

646
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: rest of the year.

647
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: I saw a headline this morning that car still hasn't

648
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: cleared the concussion protocol from getting just throttled a couple

649
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, so obviously he's a major question mark.

650
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: As we recorded this on Tuesday, I mean Jamis who's

651
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: just you know, Derek doesn't do much anymore, kind of

652
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: dinks and dunks, but at least you know what you're getting.

653
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: I mean, at any moment, Jamis can just do something

654
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: pretty outrageously stupid. Though he's enjoyable to watch the Falcons

655
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: renamed ritter backs are starting quarter This is just listen

656
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: watching the Bucks against the Niners. If Baker just wouldn't

657
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: have had that stretch after they went three and one

658
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: of playing really shitty like they actually have a lot

659
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: of talent. Their talent's a little older, but this division's

660
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: wide hoping. I guess I maybe just because I picked

661
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: him to start the season, I would still pick the Saints,

662
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 2: but fucking Dennis Allen, Derek Carr. But I don't take

663
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: Arthur Smith that seriously. Now, maybe it's just his quarterback situation,

664
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 2: but all the skilled guys, obviously Tampa's and shambles. Maybe

665
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 2: just a seven and nine or seven and ten team

666
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 2: ends up winning this division.

667
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: That's what it looks like this division. There should be

668
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 1: some clause in the NFL where you can't do this.

669
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you don't have a team that finishes

670
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: with a certain record, you lose your playoff spotting.

671
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 2: I No, I completely agree that you are not. You

672
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: cannot if you win your division with a record under

673
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 2: five hundred, and there are obviously other teams above you

674
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: one through seven. Now you should not be a playoff team.

675
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: I have who would argue that, Like, that's not fair,

676
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: and you get the host.

677
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,919
Speaker 1: She gets the host of the playoff game too.

678
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: What's the Ron rivera thing? He's done it twice?

679
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the I bet the Falcons here plus one

680
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: we don't. There is still some quarterback on certainty. If

681
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: you have car you know you're gonna get Yeah, he's

682
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: gonna be digged Duncan, which is not how you want

683
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: to attack this Falcons defense. But should get their slot

684
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: cornerback should get own on you Mauna back. They're also

685
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: there's a I'll say a random name. We were just

686
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: talking about Chad Hall. I'm gonna hear a random name

687
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: here that could be important. Parker Hesse as a tight

688
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: end who I think is gonna return. He's like their

689
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: sixth offensive lineman. He's gonna return from injury for the

690
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: first time. That's when their their running game really gets going.

691
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: They use him a lot as a run blocker or

692
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: really random named it throughout there. But the Falcons are

693
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: a lot healthier than the Saints, who I don't think

694
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas is gonna play. We don't know who the

695
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: quarterback is. Marshawn Lattimore is probably. You know, they have

696
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: a couple other injuries and Latimore is big, just everything

697
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: that they want to do on defense. He can take

698
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: away your number one. So you know, if you look

699
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 1: at the Saints, I just haven't been impressed with what

700
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: the Saints team is done. Uh yeah, they've been impressive.

701
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: They beat the Bears Tyson bage. They had six they

702
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: had five turnovers. They had to hold on to win

703
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: that game. They beat another backup when they played the Colts,

704
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: they beat the Patriots. I mean, we don't know what

705
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: that looks like now. They beat the Panthers by three,

706
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: and they beat the Titans by one when the Titans

707
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: had a defensive touchdown called back. And I mean all

708
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: those teams are one or two win teams. Falcons have

709
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: lost a lot of close games, played a little tougher schedule.

710
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: You know, I'll take the one at home if it's Winston.

711
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: I love Faden Winston as a favorite, even if it's

712
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: a short favorite on the road in division game, so

713
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: he can give you give away the game. I like

714
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: betting as an underdog if it's car There's just no

715
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: juice with this offense to attack the Falcon secondary and

716
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: the Falcons Rundy's been really good, So yeah, I'd make

717
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: the Falcons here like a one and a half point favorite.

718
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: So I took the one.

719
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: Maybe just the philosophy is if Atlanta, New Orleans, or

720
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: Tampa any matchup, just hammer the underdog in those games,

721
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 2: because what that was the difference in the three of them,

722
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: you know, just an enormous game. Definitely on paper. The

723
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,879
Speaker 2: Eagles beat the Chiefs on Monday Night football. I thought

724
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: Jalen looked like shit, and then all of a sudden,

725
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 2: he runs in the touchdown, they get the Kelsey fumble,

726
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 2: they hit the swift screen, he throws a bomb, they score,

727
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: They take the lead, and obviously they win with seven

728
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: hundred drops from the Chiefs, but they clearly don't look. Now,

729
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 2: you get like, this is not college football. You get

730
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: credit for winning, right, there's no style points. But last

731
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: year they looked different, right, they just looked much more

732
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: complete than they have looked this year, And even Jalen

733
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: to me as a pocket passer just has and I

734
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: understand yesterday was rainy, it was hard, but it's just

735
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: not looked as good like I mean, last year he

736
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: was an MVP guy and this year you watch him,

737
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 2: he's not an MVP caliber player. The Bills fire their

738
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator, get a little life. No, granted, they were

739
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: playing the fucking Jets and it was kind of a

740
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: double Ammie one. They're just way better than the Jets,

741
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 2: and they had easy motivation because the jetshow beat them

742
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: on Monday Night Football to open up the season, and

743
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: there were some desperation. This is an interesting game, man.

744
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: I Philly's weird. I mean, it's hard to discount them,

745
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: but they've been winning these tight games. So you get

746
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: you get three and a half with Josh Allen. Who

747
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: I mean, you're more deeper in this than me. I've

748
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: seen a lot of people say everyone's shitting on Josh Allen,

749
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 2: and according to like basically every metric, he's easily been

750
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL this year.

751
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been the best. So I yeah, they've they've

752
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: been a little unlucky, you know, if you go by

753
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: luck rankings. We do these luck rankings which look at

754
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: you know, things things that are like fluky, like turnovers,

755
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: what happens in the red zone, fumbles. The Eagles have

756
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: been the luckiest team the NFL. Well, they have two

757
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: and a half two point six more wins than they should,

758
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: and the Bills have been the unluckiest. They have two

759
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: fewer wins than they should. So really this is like

760
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 1: an eight and three Bills team taking on a seven

761
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: and four or eight and three Eagles team, and you

762
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't be getting the hook if that was the case.

763
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: The Eagles of it extremely lucky out you know. Look,

764
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: they beat the Commanders in overtime because paddle boat Ron

765
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: doesn't go for two. At home. They beat the Commanders again,

766
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, a back and forth game. They got out

767
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: gained in that game by one hundred and fifty yards.

768
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 1: They you know, you could go back to this Cowboys game.

769
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: They got dominated in that game. I mean they they

770
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: were out gained by more than two hundred and twenty

771
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: yards in that game. Dallas went up and down the field.

772
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: You just couldn't do it, just kept turning it over

773
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: the red zone, stepping out of bounds, turning it over

774
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: to one. Just very fluky stuff. Same thing with the Chiefs. Yeah,

775
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: they got out. They had two hundred and thirty yards

776
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 1: against Kansas City, two hundred and thirty total yards.

777
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:58,399
Speaker 2: That was it.

778
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: That was less than the Steel that more yards in

779
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: that they you know, you had a Kelsey fumble in

780
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: the red zone, you had seven drops, you had Mahomes

781
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: throwing it up to them, you had another you know,

782
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: you have another Hurtz fumble where it bounced right up

783
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: to them. Go back to that Dallas game. Philly had

784
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: three fumbles in that game bounced every single one bounced

785
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: right back to them. They've been getting extremely lucky. This

786
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 1: is a team that just has a I mean go

787
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: back to all their wins. It's it's not been an

788
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: impressive team this year. Something is just a little off.

789
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: If to beat the Patriots by five, they beat the

790
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: Vikings by three at home, they get that touch back

791
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: at the end of the first half. So they've just

792
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: gotten every single break in all these games. Credit to

793
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: them for finding a way to win. But the defense

794
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: has major holes. You know, they don't have a slot.

795
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 1: Their linebackers are a mess. They can't defend the pass,

796
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: they can't defend in the middle of the field. You know,

797
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: the Bills are an offense that once it gets really going,

798
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: then they are a juggernaut for like three and four weeks.

799
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes it'll just be a little off the timings in there.

800
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: But I know it was the Jets. Who cares what

801
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: the defense did, But that Jets defense had shut down

802
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: every single top quarterback they face this year and Alan

803
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: ripped them apart. So I think that's a good sign

804
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 1: for this offense this week against the vulnerable Philly defense

805
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: that has just benefited from a lot of fluky stuff

806
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: this year, and the other side of the ball, even

807
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: that the Eagles offense is still just a little bit off.

808
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: Hurts is a little bit off. He's not fully healthy.

809
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: You could tell when he runs. That's when the Eagles

810
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: are the most dangerous, when he can run it with

811
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: reckless abandon and doesn't have to worry about his knee.

812
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: This is also the Bills season. Yeah, Bill's got need

813
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: to win this game. And the Eagles are coming off

814
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: a short week after getting revenge over the team that

815
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: they lost to in the Super Bowl, So just from

816
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: a situation, and they have the Cowboys and forty nine

817
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: ers on deck. So they're sitting pretty while you have

818
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: a desperate Bills team who's been unlucky coming in. Give

819
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: me the three and a half all day, or this

820
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: is my favorite bet of the weekend.

821
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 2: When the Ravens beat the forty nine ers in the

822
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: Super Bowl, didn't that year they fired their offensive coordinator

823
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 2: with like three or four games to go? Was it

824
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: Jim Caldwell?

825
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, they fired.

826
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: Uh, I forget the guy's name, but they put they

827
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 2: made Jim Caldwell.

828
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: Dan Cameron and Cam Cameron.

829
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: They fired and then called and then Caldwell took over, right.

830
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, fired a little December December yet a little.

831
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: Different scenario than the Bills. But is it crazy to

832
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 2: think the way you just laid out that this team

833
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: maybe just kind of wakes everybody up that this now

834
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 2: their defense obviously a lot of injuries, but offensively, I mean,

835
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: if they were, like you said, to get rolling. Can

836
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: have we all been too quick to just write them off?

837
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think so. I mean, look, they were they

838
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 1: were getting really unlucky too. They had some close losses,

839
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: tough schedule, and yeah, I mean the way that Allen

840
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: is playing with this offense, they can outscore anyone on

841
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: any given day when that when that offense is clicking,

842
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: and what when Allen is hot, they can they can

843
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: run with anybody. So yeah, I think now their schedule

844
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: they play at Philly than at Kansas City targ so yeah,

845
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: they could get If they lose both, which they could,

846
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: they're done.

847
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 2: You're done.

848
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: You know you're not going to the playoffs. But yeah,

849
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: that's that's why this game is so important to them.

850
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: Eagles might be a little hungover a short week after

851
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: getting their revenge, and I think you're gonna get the hungary,

852
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: more desperate team that's been unlucky against a team that's

853
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: been really lucky. I mean, think about it. The Eagles

854
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: are nine and one. They know, they're plus sixty in

855
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: that scoring margin. I mean, it's one of the worst

856
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: nine to one teams in NFL history. The Ravens are

857
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: plus one forty seven, the Cowboys are plus one forty seven.

858
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: The forty nine Ers are over plus one hundred. The

859
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: Eagles have squeaked out these games and it hasn't been

860
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: the toughest schedule, and they just they've gotten so lucky

861
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: in the red zone with fumble recoveries that those things

862
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: don't last. So yeah, I like the Bills here.

863
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting because last night was a very physical game.

864
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: Like you said, short week, the forty nine ers are

865
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: playing Seattle on the road and then they get that

866
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: mini by and that game to them is gonna mean

867
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: a lot, right, I mean, they ruined their chances last

868
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: year with Perty, so they're gonna approach that thing super

869
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 2: Bowl level. And then you know the Eagles, have you

870
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: said the Cowboys on deck after that? Who you know,

871
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: kind of benefit from this little They kind of do

872
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: that little mini Thanksgiving thing, right. They usually play on

873
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and then they play the following Thursday. So I'm

874
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 2: sure they'll be coming awful little mini by if memory

875
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 2: serves me correct, that's what they usually do. So this

876
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 2: is a very very fascinating stretch of football for all

877
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: the top right five six teams, the Eagles, the Niners,

878
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 2: the Chiefs, the Bills, and now the Bengals are done.

879
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 2: So the Ravens, who are battling the injury bug again,

880
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting how the shapes out. I mean,

881
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 2: it's it'd be hard. You'd be hard pressed to just

882
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: go this team is winning the super Bowl, and then

883
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the Lions just keep rattling off wins.

884
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 2: You know, no one's really talking about them, but I

885
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 2: don't view them as good enough. But we've been talking

886
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: about him for a while. They're gonna win this week.

887
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 2: I'd be stunned if they don't. And then you're gonna

888
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: look up and all of a sudden, they're going to

889
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 2: be fourteen and three.

890
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: Yep, we talked about that many times, Goff. I've seen

891
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: it at trillion times. This guy cannot play in conditions,

892
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: so that one seed for Detroit is making more important

893
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: than anybody else than any other team. But yeah, the

894
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: one seed race is going to be super fascinating. Obviously

895
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: a huge win for the Eagles. It was mass separation,

896
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: especially with the schedule they have coming up also for

897
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: the division as well. But yeah, the AFC, I mean

898
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: the AFC with the Ravens now but by if the

899
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: season ended today, but they have three losses, Chiefs, Jags, Dolphins,

900
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: Browns have three losses. Like, the one seed race in

901
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: the AFC is going to go right down to the wire.

902
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: And now today's NFL, with this expanded Plouff, one team

903
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: gets the one seed that it is so big. So yeah,

904
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: both one seed races.

905
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: Would you say Cleveland? Would Cleveland be a sleeper one

906
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 2: seed or is their offense? We have be hard pressed

907
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 2: to see that because to me, at starting the rookie

908
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: quarterback that I don't care how good your defense is,

909
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: that feels hard in this modern day football.

910
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's they'll they'll they'll probably get to like that.

911
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: So there's seven and three, if seven games left, you know,

912
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: they will probably win three or four of them because

913
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: they're just gonna be in these games where they're scoring

914
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: and it's just gonna come down to like a player

915
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: or two, so they're not gonna it's it's gonna be

916
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: very difficult for them to go like six and one,

917
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: which they'll probably need to do in order to get to,

918
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: you know, to get to the one seed. So yeah,

919
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: I just don't think they have to consistent enough quarterback play.

920
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 2: Okay, Stucky, have a good Thanksgiving, keep uh, keep the

921
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 2: good times rolling, nailing these picks, and we we will

922
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: speak next week.

923
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving everyone, safe holiday and enjoy the sweats

924
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 1: all weekend. It's a beautiful time of the year and

925
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: we'll see you guys next weekend.

926
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: Next thanks a lot bro see you boys. Cheer the

927
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Speaker 2: volume