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Speaker 1: To the Black Guy Who Tips podcast I listen to

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Speaker 1: because of Rod and Karen are hot.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome to another episode of the Blackouts Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host Rod, joined us always by my co

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Speaker 1: host Karen, and we are.

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Speaker 2: Live on a Sunday morning early Okay, so all the

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Speaker 2: heathens that didn't go to church is hanging with us

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Speaker 2: right now and we appreciate y'all. Okay, and we're not alone.

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Speaker 2: We have a guest second time on our show. Today's

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Speaker 2: guest is journalist, podcaster, content creator, twitch streamer, author now

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Speaker 2: Karama Horn aka the Blurd Girl, and she said to

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Speaker 2: talk about her new book Black Panther Protectors of a

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Speaker 2: Conda History and Training Manual of the Door Miller, Jay,

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Speaker 2: what's going on, Karama?

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Speaker 1: How you doing? I'm good?

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Speaker 3: What's up everybody? It's Karen Horn a k the Blurred Girl.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me, and yes, it's

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Speaker 3: really funny. This was so much going on. Ryan Karen

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Speaker 3: got to catch up. But I was like, you know what,

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Speaker 3: black Eye here tips and I get the alerts. I'm like, yo,

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Speaker 3: they'd be grinding. They are live everything I said, I

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Speaker 3: Rob a Banks as you first, I'm gonna make this happen.

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Speaker 3: So I was like, I can't not be there because

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Speaker 3: they are there every single day.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, And I'm not always see every

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Speaker 2: time I go on Instagram, I feel like you're putting

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Speaker 2: out a new video or you like interview a new person,

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Speaker 2: or like I feel like you're always grinding too.

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Speaker 3: You know, I am, but I don't. I don't have

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Speaker 3: the grind that y'all have to be live every day. Well,

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Speaker 3: I'm still working on that because I still I still

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Speaker 3: have some like and even even my twitch stuff, I

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Speaker 3: was making it like a production. Yeah, I'm going to

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Speaker 3: try and go to like TikTok or people just kind

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Speaker 3: of roll out of bed and go live.

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Speaker 2: That's the key.

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Speaker 3: That's the key.

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Speaker 4: Only a few seconds.

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Speaker 2: I don't dress up for this, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: I have to beat my face. I just show up,

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Speaker 2: turn on this ring light, and I'm like, this is

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Speaker 2: what happened today.

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Speaker 3: But you would, but you would do Karen knows what

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Speaker 3: I mean. Sometimes you want to be a little extra.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, no, no, no, we're saying the

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like I get like being like, listen, I'm

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Speaker 2: Got like I'm just showing up, you know, like they

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Speaker 3: I actually just had that conversation with something very recently,

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Speaker 3: Just have to do what she always does. I was like,

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Speaker 3: what Karena always does is get hair, make right, come

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Speaker 4: I don't do this myself, so I don't blame you.

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Speaker 3: I think I don't either. People think I do it

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Speaker 3: myself and I'm like, no, no, no, there's people who are paid.

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Speaker 4: I don't care.

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Speaker 3: If I'm running into Sephora before I go to Space,

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Speaker 5: Doing it, yes, because I am not a makeup person,

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Speaker 5: so it takes a lot. I remember I went one

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Speaker 4: I was like, I was like, this made me look natural.

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Speaker 5: They was like oh okay, and they went to town

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny too because like with Game Theory, the

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Speaker 3: That's not my problem, right, None of my concerns is

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Speaker 3: But anyway, this is not a show about podcast. Listeners

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Speaker 2: Listen, Let's talk about the door LJA. Okay, let's talk

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Speaker 2: about this book. What kind of research goes into writing

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Speaker 2: I'm like, no, it's not I when I even because listen, Okay,

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Speaker 2: So this is the story behind the scenes on that

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Speaker 2: I bought the book off the strength of Karama got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I hadn't even got it yet, you know what

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Speaker 2: I was like, we're just supporting black people, Karama, good people. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, and then so we're emailing or whatever. I

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Speaker 2: I waited one more day. If I had been tardy

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Speaker 3: The writing for the dormalag is was It was really

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Speaker 3: a very interesting process because, like you said, it's license.

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Speaker 3: So for those of you aspiring writers out there, writing

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Speaker 3: So there's like there's sort of a fence and you

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Speaker 3: First of all, I didn't set out to write this book.

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Speaker 3: There is the reason why I'm going the long way.

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Speaker 3: The Marvel uses several different publishers to produce and publish

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Speaker 3: their pro work. So Marvel Comics is Marvel Comics here

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Speaker 3: levels to this. And so his people, I think, years

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00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 3: from now are going to come back and go just

434
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 3: like people now look back at the eighties X men, yes,

435
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,719
Speaker 3: with the fines who's come and look at all the

436
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 3: They're going to do that years from now. Because but yeah,

437
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 3: so that that was what it was like. It was like,

438
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 3: really the first part of this book really for me,

439
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 3: was a thesis, right. It was like I have to

440
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 3: do a thesis on Kamanda to set the background. And

441
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 3: if you look in the beginning there, I mean in

442
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 3: the contents, this is the book is broken up into

443
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 3: five tenants, so tradition, honor, strength, courage, compassion, and then

444
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 3: I talk about like the initiation trials. So what the

445
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: book actually is and I'm actually a little bit sad

446
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 3: about this. There is a page that got left out

447
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 3: just because I wrote too much stuff, but there was

448
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 3: a page that I had to be sacrificed that I'm

449
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 3: hoping will be able to be in a deluxe edition.

450
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm getting a delects edition. Y'all

451
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 3: keep buying the book. I can get into lax edition. Okay,

452
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 3: it is a koy A basically explaining at the end

453
00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 3: of the remember at the end of the integral saga,

454
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 3: basically call it when he's he knows who he is,

455
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: he's back. We have that. Everybody's back in Wakanda with

456
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 3: the all versions of Kilmonger are gone.

457
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

458
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 3: It's but there's been so much lost. So I basically

459
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 3: had a moment where Akoye was like, we have to

460
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 3: start the school again. Like in the middle of that.

461
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: I remember World of Waknda took place in the middle

462
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 3: of a lot of what it's not skilch is right,

463
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: and they lost ahead of their school. The Dormaliza lost

464
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: ahead of their school. So and that was something that

465
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 3: Rocks and Gay wrote. So what I what I this

466
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 3: book takes place? Like right after that, Akoya is like,

467
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,399
Speaker 3: we don't just have we don't now, we don't just

468
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 3: have people who could possibly initiate, but we got Wakanda Prime,

469
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 3: we got wakand in space. We got people that identify

470
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 3: as female, like there are people that are not human

471
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 3: that are now Gandan. It's like, we need to start

472
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 3: the school again. And what the book is is a

473
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: found tone. So every Dora, as she goes through the school,

474
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 3: everyone gets a journal and everybody can make notes in

475
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 3: their journal and things like that, and then when they graduate,

476
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 3: they hand that journal back to someone who's just becoming

477
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 3: a door. So that is what this is. It is

478
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: a fact. It's a journal that was found one of

479
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 3: the last journals. I was found by somebody who has

480
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 3: uh was I think I said that she died during

481
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 3: the nay More floods. But again, this is this is

482
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: my backstory. You're not going to see this in the book.

483
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 3: This is the basic got missing had to come out.

484
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 3: But the point is she's using this one and she said, okay,

485
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 3: so now we have new Dora, We've got all kinds

486
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 3: of different people that we need to I want to

487
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: start the school again, but I want to make sure

488
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 3: that we're podifying as much as possible. So it's a journal.

489
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 3: And so what you'll see is there's every chapter has

490
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: a series of entries and they're all written by different

491
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 3: and then other people will write stuff in the margins,

492
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 3: so it's not always a Dora our Robbie's in there,

493
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 3: Becueening Shuri's in there as Aja Donna. You know, there's

494
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 3: all these different people contributed to the book, which was

495
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 3: helpful for me because the publisher was really nervous about

496
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: where I was going to place it because they didn't

497
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 3: want to run into trouble with on the comic book.

498
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 3: And like I didn't know any of the new Black

499
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: Panther that was coming out this year. I didn't know

500
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 3: about any of that, like all that was in the works,

501
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 3: but we don't have time to go research all that.

502
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 3: You just got to, like say, Uel and do what

503
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 3: you do. And I said, if we make this entries

504
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 3: from different people and different time periods, then I can

505
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 3: include a chapter from the headmistress of the school that

506
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 3: passed away. I can include past comments about Nikia even

507
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: though she's dead, and every animation in the comics. I

508
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 3: can include things of Shury before she was walked the

509
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 3: planes with Jania and became practically a goddess. And you know,

510
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 3: I can include things all over the place. Queen Mamonda.

511
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 3: Everybody has something to say in this book. So I

512
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: was very excited about that. And then the other thing

513
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 3: was once I got the license the cannon part down,

514
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: then I just sort of went to town and I was like,

515
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go for it, and I'm gonna let

516
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: them tell me like, Okay, you can't do.

517
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: That, right, yeah, I feel like And then well two things. One,

518
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 2: I forgot to do my basic job up front, which

519
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: is because I forget, I'm a nerd. I read all

520
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: this shit, but some of y'all probably don't. So something

521
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: like I just realized as we were getting in the wheels, like,

522
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: oh yeah, so the Door of Milla Jay.

523
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: Is the Adorned Ones.

524
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: I believe it's a translation, but it's essentially like the

525
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 2: Military Defense seek like almost like secret service division of

526
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: the of Wakanda's all women. It's a army of just

527
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: badass warriors. You've seen them in all these like different

528
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 2: iterations in the movies. Roxanne Gay wrote a run in

529
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: the comics that was specifically about like the Door millerit

530
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 2: and and like, uh, their thing, they're like the group

531
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: as a as a whole. Also, can you tell people

532
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: about the Midnight Angels and specifically what they are? Because

533
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: like I'm realizing as we're going through that, I'm just like, yeah,

534
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 2: oh girl, and then remember and now I'm like my

535
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: mom probably listening to my mama, probably listened like who.

536
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 3: So the Dormal were They were originally creating the comics

537
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: by Christopher Priest, and yes they were the first time

538
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 3: you saw them, they were only two or three of them,

539
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 3: and it was really a Kua and Nica, but they

540
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Nikia. And so they were basically the bodyguards

541
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 3: of the king when he came to this country. So

542
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 3: you only start two at first in the comics, and

543
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: then you started to see more and more as many

544
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: as more comics were created, and then Rock Sane Gage

545
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: Run was actually about the dorm lage and the school

546
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 3: and what was going on during paralleling the town of

547
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: hose To Coach Run of all of the wars and

548
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: things that were happening with nay More and Doom and

549
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 3: everybody else. So they are, yes, they as a whole.

550
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: They are a military unit. They are not the military.

551
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: Were kind of has it's own military. They also have

552
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 3: an all male military, the Hottoos Sase. At the time

553
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: period that this book was written, these had sort of

554
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: been infiltrated, so they were not trusted. So it's really

555
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 3: not any hattoothsse in my book because I didn't feel

556
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 3: like explained the difference between the two as we kept through.

557
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: So and it's about the Dormalaga, so the but the

558
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 3: the there's a I would say a subsidiary, a smaller

559
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: group within the Dorma lage called the Midnight Angels, and

560
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: when they were introduced in Doomores they were introduced they're

561
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: basically the Wetworks Division. They the cleanup prow like you

562
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 3: want them dead dead, you call them Midnight Angels, and

563
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 3: they get the gear, they get to tack, the higher

564
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: tactical gear. They get all the stealth stuff first and

565
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 3: then some of it will you know, trickle throughout the

566
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 3: rest of the dormalalage. But that was also what was

567
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 3: important to me in the book because I think people

568
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: think there's like four or five of them, right, and

569
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: the four or five that you see I classify as

570
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 3: the Royal Division because they are the ones that are

571
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: closest to the game. But everybody who wants to become

572
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 3: a Dora does not become a Dora. Everybody who tries

573
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: to train doesn't always make it. Doesn't always graduate to

574
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: become a Dora, but the ones that do. Who's flying

575
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 3: the plane, who's maintaining the plane, who's maintaining the weapon.

576
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 3: You're not gonna have some random person maintaining the plane.

577
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: That's for a secret group. So so now you have

578
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 3: a whole you have an aeronauts division, you know what

579
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: I mean. So I started coming up with the different

580
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: visions that would do different things because if you remember,

581
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: and again I'm going back to do more do Moores

582
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: when they were fighting Doom in that book that T'Challa

583
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 3: initiated over like five hundred Dora. So I was like, okay,

584
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 3: so how that happened? Where they come from? The So

585
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 3: the the concept of the dormaalage has always been that

586
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: these badass ball black women that are there to you know,

587
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: fight T'Challa. They were called the adored Ones. This is

588
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 3: something that Christopher Priest came up with, and it's really

589
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 3: funny because it's something that I ran into. You also

590
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 3: with Marvel, they were like, we just want to make

591
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: sure that there's no child brides. I'm like, I don't understand.

592
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: Where that question came from.

593
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 3: Who said there was a child bride? They were like, well,

594
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: in Christopher Priest's run, I was like, okay, so let's

595
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 3: won that back. If y'all remember Christopher Priests run, he

596
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: has Ever considered his the definitive black Panther because before

597
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: that he was really just like the Diversity higher and

598
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 3: the Avengers. And so when they gave him his own story,

599
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 3: they said, Christopher Priest didn't think white people would buy

600
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 3: a combook with a black characters they black lead. So

601
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: he created Everitt Ross, like the bumbling FBI agent sort

602
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: of be the audience to see, I'm in charge of

603
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: making sure the kid gets to what he's gonna do today,

604
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 3: and he would just say stuff off at the top

605
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 3: of his head because he didn't know what he was

606
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: looking at. He and we will debate at another time

607
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: what Priests thought would he did this, but Ross was

608
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 3: sort of lusting after the Dora and he would regularly

609
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: say like, oh my god, I'm gonna go to jail

610
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: because I'm like running, I'm lusting after these high school girls.

611
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 3: And so that's where they got in there. Everybody got

612
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 3: in their head that these were teenage brides of the king,

613
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 3: because the concept was any Dora would be someone he

614
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 3: could marry. Uh, they never they never ever married that

615
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: they were never you know. And the one time that

616
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 3: in Preach Run when Black Panther did like make out

617
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 3: with Nikiya, he was under Mephisto's control. So uh. The

618
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: interesting thing about that is that in the meeting that

619
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 3: I was having, I can't tell they going to have

620
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 3: the meeting. I'm just trying to think of what I

621
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: can't say, but I can say this. I remember saying

622
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: to them, this is not a problem, and they were

623
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: like why. I'm like, because T'Challa never said they were teenagers.

624
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: Ross did and they were like, well, that's a problem.

625
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: I said, no, it is. And have you ever been

626
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: a black woman who does no courage?

627
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 4: Right?

628
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: Right?

629
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 2: Stay close rights, that's brilliant issue.

630
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, how you gonn address it? I'm like, I'll probably

631
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 3: address it in the margins. I'm really not gonna make

632
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 3: a big deal out of this. Right because even though

633
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 3: they're you might be, they might be seventeen or eighteen

634
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 3: when they come into the school. You have to train

635
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 3: for seven years to become a door, right, So you're

636
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: not looking at anybody that's under a younger than twenty four.

637
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: Years old, right, right?

638
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 2: Now that's brilliant because that's definitely one of those things

639
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 2: where it's like a nerdy detail that people could obsess over.

640
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: And I think you being a nerd, you being in

641
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: that the world of.

642
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: Like the community.

643
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 2: You it's like you have to prepare almost like illegal dissertation,

644
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: like like here's my life.

645
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: I said, it was like a dissertation. I saw somebody

646
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 3: in the comments said the women came to Homie Warriors

647
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 3: the real life inspiration for the Door of laj too. Right, Yes,

648
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 3: and no, Christopher Priest wasn't thinking anything about the Dahomie

649
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 3: Warriors when he created them in the comics years ago.

650
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 3: He really wasn't. The Dahomie Warriors were inspiration for the

651
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 3: movie Oh okay, to Homie Warriors were inspiration when we

652
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: got to Town of Hotton Coaches Run, you saw more

653
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 3: of that, But Christopher Priest was not thinking of the

654
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Speaker 3: trust me go look at the dress. Yes they are not.

655
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: I remember so.

656
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 2: The way that I came to the Black Fanther Cannon

657
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: because like, uh, i uh, it was one of those

658
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: things where it was always off and on when it

659
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 2: when it was like officially coming out, But I like

660
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 2: really didn't dedicate, like sitting down and reading until I

661
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: got to Coach, and then I read it and I

662
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, now he's because that's the

663
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: other thing. Coach uses everything that was cannon before. Like

664
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: it's like, even though it feels jarring, that is so

665
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: different from these other books.

666
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: It's like everything. It's like he'll bring up some obscure shit.

667
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: You're like, wait that happened, So I.

668
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: Would go, Yeah, ever meet either one of them, I'm

669
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 3: gonna be like, how.

670
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: Do you How does your brain work? How did your

671
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: fucking brain work?

672
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: But I mean, anybody who's even read yeah Higman is

673
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: I'm convinced that Hickman is on the spectrum. And I'm

674
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: not saying that it's a bad thing. I'm saying that

675
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: because I believe people who are on the spectrum, I.

676
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 2: Think use the process than the rest of us.

677
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, because how he.

678
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: Has thought out thirty years of a story before even

679
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 3: occursions when.

680
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: He came, Yes, there was a when he first started

681
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: writing X Men Again. This is complete tangent. I promise

682
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: it won't take one.

683
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 2: But when he started writing X Men Again, he wrote

684
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 2: this book from the respective of like Maria McTaggart.

685
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was.

686
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: It was so mine. I had to read it like

687
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: three times.

688
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what she was doing? So her

689
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: power is this? She had powers like and it and

690
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: it can still fold into.

691
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,479
Speaker 3: Because it was brilliant and that and I was really

692
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: really inspired by stuff like that. I'm glad you said

693
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 3: that because it's really inspired by stuff like that because

694
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: I even had that a few times with my editors.

695
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: But how and I'm like, show me where they didn't

696
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: do that? Right? Yeah, proved to me that they weren't

697
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 3: in the room that happened, right, and they were like,

698
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 3: you know what, we can't. I'm like, it's days so.

699
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: And it's and that's but that's the beauty of it

700
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 2: because like that was when I was looking at his book.

701
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: It's like the beauty of it is that it's still

702
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: folds into everything that came before it. So like that

703
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 2: because I think, you know, if you just asked a

704
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 2: random person like write a book, like we all could

705
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: be like oh yeah, man, and then like flew into

706
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: the sun and then he threw like you know, it's like,

707
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: well that he can't do that. Where where's this coming from?

708
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, I just thought I could make up

709
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 2: anything I didn't know I had. So it's like, to me,

710
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: the hard part would be folding it in, but not

711
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: just folding in. You're creating new stuff and then saying

712
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: this can be a thing that happened that we just

713
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: didn't see.

714
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: But it's still yeah, I did that a lot, like

715
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 3: I think, uh Reginald Hudland's run, which was about to

716
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 3: Chaka's father, and when the the Avengers came to visit,

717
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 3: you know, and they were like, there wasn't even the Vengers.

718
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: It was actually just Seve Rogers and and the his

719
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 3: World War two crew and they showed up and he's like,

720
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 3: you can't kill people. He's like, you not at home?

721
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: I don't know, right, But remember there were Remember there

722
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: were women. There were Dora with him. Then I made

723
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 3: one of those Dora, the younger version of the Door

724
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 3: that started the school. That was That's what I mean

725
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 3: by like connecting these these threads, like this is the

726
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 3: thing as a black woman, I'm just used to this,

727
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 3: Like we're always in a room and nobody sees us, right,

728
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: so but that's actually the door of Malag's power. And

729
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 3: so somebody in here, somebody in the chat said like

730
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 3: Oh my god. They're in training for seven years. Yes,

731
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 3: because when they graduate, because you you they're coming from

732
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: wherever they're coming from, but they haven't been trained. They

733
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: have been training in common weaponry. They have to speak

734
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 3: multiple African languages. Then they have to learn the languages

735
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 3: of the jasparas. They so in Wakanda. This is something that

736
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: I did have to have a discussion about because the

737
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: whole speaking Zulu Kosa thing was for more of the

738
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 3: movie than the thing, than the book because they used

739
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 3: to pi alsa. So in the comics. Now in Wakanda

740
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 3: the language is spoken our house to house of Swahili, Kosa,

741
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: Yureba and Zulu. But if the eba Ebo come from

742
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: all over not just Pekanda Africa. And another run that

743
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 3: you need to read is Neddie kor For's Black Panther

744
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: Run because she made it Pan African, she made it

745
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 3: more okay. But what happens to the people in the

746
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: mute She created the mute zone, the group of people

747
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: that don't are anti technology, that are just trying to

748
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 3: live off the land and live their lives. She created

749
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 3: this whole universe of more talking from the people's perspective,

750
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 3: not just getting out of the getting out of the Kingdom.

751
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 3: Also going more into the the lore of the kings

752
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: and the queens. She created one of the black panthers

753
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 3: or queens queens are Kana is her creation. So it's

754
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: it's an interesting it's an interesting thing to be able

755
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: to like do this and build it. But at the

756
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: same time, I don't think it hit me until like

757
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: this week, like oh, like somebody can write like this

758
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 3: is kandam, like somebody can take this book and then

759
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 3: go write a company, you know, And I didn't. I

760
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: don't think it it really hit me.

761
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: You might be you now going to be the one

762
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: getting that phone call like hey, what what happened to this?

763
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: You know, like you know you were the one that

764
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: was going what happened to the sword? Now you're going

765
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: to be the person. So I was like, hey, so

766
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: if she was at this meeting, does that mean I

767
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: can put her in this place?

768
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: You know?

769
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: That's beautiful?

770
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 3: Yeah it was. I think I hope I was able.

771
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: I mean I didn't do what time I was kilched.

772
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 3: I really hope that I did push cannon a little bit.

773
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 3: The only thing it's just really really interesting being an

774
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 3: African American woman writing about a fictional African country that

775
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 3: was created by white men, right, because certain discussions, I'm like,

776
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: you can't say that, right, you just I don't have

777
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: enough time to explain why you can't say that, but

778
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 3: you can't say that, right, And now I've done it

779
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 3: up like to kind of trust me. But I'm like,

780
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: whatever you do on social media, do not right, yeah, right,

781
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: you love God certain things like I've I've never been

782
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 3: able to get over the fact that nobody will kind

783
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 3: of has the last name m It just makes me crazy,

784
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: especially because the real life folks I know from the

785
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 3: Confident Continent rather have like seven names, right. So it's like,

786
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 3: and it bothers me because we know there Odinson's entire line, right, Yeah,

787
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: we know Loki's entire life. We know Loki's child who

788
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 3: turned into a horse. Their names, like we don't know.

789
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 3: That's the part that bothers me. But like it's.

790
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 2: Little I like, I like when characters don't have a

791
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: last name in TV shows and movies. Yes, I always

792
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: make the same joke, but it's always like I'll like

793
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: because you know, on social media, I don't want to

794
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 2: spoil anything, so like I'll come out of Avengers off

795
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: any war be like.

796
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: Yo, just finished Infinity War.

797
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: It was so great and I had no idea. Theo's

798
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: last name is Jenkins. That's crazy, Like just like that

799
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: is the best to me.

800
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: It's like you seasoning in his soup. Yeah, and I

801
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: noticed one time too.

802
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 3: Uh.

803
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: You can check his IMDV page.

804
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: There's a running joke that we have but Jam and Hansu,

805
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: it's like, this dude will only play characters with no

806
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: last name, and we.

807
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 4: Love it, We absolutely love it. Were just like, don't

808
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 4: break the tradition.

809
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 3: Is the hardest working man, the hardest working superhero film actor. Yes,

810
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: and people don't know what He shows up as characters

811
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: that don't have it, and not just the last name.

812
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: They don't even have legs right like.

813
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: And what's wild to me is like because it's in

814
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: every like there's very few of his characters have like

815
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: a full name. But I just keep imagining being in

816
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: the casting call or whatever auditions for a character with

817
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: one name and then John Man walks in.

818
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: You can get up and leave.

819
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 5: He's gonna that's his road, his son's turning down names,

820
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 5: Like this person's got a history, this is their first

821
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 5: last I don't want that road.

822
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.

823
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 2: I think he goes into the cast and they're like, okay,

824
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: so we're thinking his last name is Sutherland, and he's like, no, no, no,

825
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: I don't need a last name first, get rid of that.

826
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,879
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go by don Now let's uh, let's

827
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: go ahead and do this caston.

828
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: I don't need.

829
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: I don't need.

830
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: That's working with too much. He don't need a history?

831
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: Is it training?

832
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: I know it's a training manual and a history and

833
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 2: it's written from the perspective of like iconic characters, you know,

834
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: Coyer and Queen Vermanda and stuff.

835
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: But do you get to talk about like their personal.

836
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 2: Lives at all or is it just all just because

837
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I can understand why that wouldn't come up

838
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: because it's a training manual, or you know, was that

839
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: something you even wanted to explore?

840
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 3: Yes, And remember I told you people make notes in

841
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 3: the margins. So sometimes stuff like for instance, like I

842
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 3: own Anika, they have a little mini argument because they're

843
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 3: they're there are a couple, but it's really more about

844
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 3: and and you'll infer that things have happened in someone's

845
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: life from some of the comments that are made, and

846
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 3: some not even in the margins, just some of the

847
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 3: some of the entries that are made. Like there's a

848
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 3: very personal account of from a koy A talking about

849
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: the Dora that died during do More training because it

850
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: was the first time she ever saw Dora die, not

851
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 3: on the battlefield, but in training, and it just cut

852
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: her to the course. She's like, I never wanted to

853
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: see that, but I knew what we were up against,

854
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: you know. So there is and and the other thing

855
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 3: was really really and I I think you can, you can,

856
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 3: I'll relate to this. I just wanted the most important

857
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: chapter to me, a section to me in here, was compassion,

858
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 3: because I think people just keep saying all their bad

859
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 3: women who fight people. And yes, I had a ball

860
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: doing the martial arts sections. I did had a ball

861
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 3: coming up with all the weapons because I'm tired of

862
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: people thinking they just run around with two spears and

863
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: nothing else, mixing bananas. But I wanted what happens when

864
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 3: the world's over? How do you come down? They don't

865
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: come down and go home to their husband and their kids.

866
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 3: They come down and they go back to it's almost

867
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 3: like nuns, like they're living together in a compound, like,

868
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 3: how do you come down?

869
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 5: How do you deal with mental health? Do you like

870
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 5: I'm not telling me funny?

871
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 4: Yes, how do you deal with PTSD? How do you like?

872
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 4: Like is a lot behind that? And also.

873
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 5: I'm glad you did touch on that thing because I

874
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 5: think sometimes people, just like you said, they look at

875
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 5: him doing all this stuff, but particularly black women, we

876
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 5: are not looked upon with compassion sometimes or looked like

877
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 5: we have compassion, Like sometimes we're not presented in these manners,

878
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 5: like we're a full fledged person sometimes and it's like

879
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 5: everything about us is always strong, Okay, cool, cool, cool cool,

880
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 5: But we are also or we should also be allowed

881
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 5: to break, be allowed to be depressed, be allowed to

882
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 5: feel these range of emotions like other human beings.

883
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 4: I think sometimes these things are stripped away from us.

884
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 5: And so I'm glad you did do that because that

885
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 5: is a part sometimes that I think can be overlooked.

886
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 5: And it would not be surprising if the things that

887
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 5: you wrote are picked up by somebody else and move

888
00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 5: on something else. I want to say, and I don't

889
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 5: don't know if you really thought about this, but I

890
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 5: actually commend you for doing this, because now you are

891
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 5: going to be the cornerstone for some little black girl

892
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 5: that's going to read this book one day and they're

893
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 5: going to be like, you know what, if she can

894
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 5: do this, I can too.

895
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 3: And you have I think I have been thank you

896
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 3: so much. I think of my niece. I think of

897
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 3: two little girls when I wrote this book. My niece

898
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 3: who's four, who's going to grow up and tell me off,

899
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 3: And she's just like a mini me. My brother's so

900
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: mad because even when I'm around her, people think she's

901
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: my kid. She's just strong. You're the only one who

902
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 3: had a girl. She came out like me, I'm sorry.

903
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 3: And there was a girl that was I think everybody

904
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 3: probably seen it by now. You know that Disney World,

905
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 3: how they have the show, the normalize your show now

906
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: when they come out and there's a was making the

907
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: rounds on social media. It was a little black girl

908
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 3: that was sitting there and she was watching them. She's

909
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 3: reciting the Little the Monstrous And by the way, those

910
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 3: are the same manstras in the book. That's where I

911
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 3: got it from. Those five tenuts are the same ones

912
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: that they are quoting. And I said, you know what,

913
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 3: that little girl did it for me? Yes, that little girl,

914
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 3: and I said, I'm writing the book for her, and

915
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 3: I'm writing the book for my niece. And even if

916
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 3: they don't become writers, I want them to at least

917
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 3: become inspired because there are quotes in here from all

918
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: of the women. Every chapter has a quote. Well, every

919
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 3: chapter also has amazing art, but sheep of mine at

920
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 3: the top of it. But there's always a quote in here,

921
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 3: quotes in each chapter or section header I should say,

922
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 3: and one of my oh, I thought my camera went

923
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: out again. I was like, damn it, Yeah, that little girl,

924
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 3: that's her, that little girl, her face. I couldn't. I

925
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: couldn't identify her on the street. But there is at

926
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 3: that start of the compassion section there is a line

927
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: that says it it's not enough. Queen Ramona said this

928
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 3: in Dona Hasekoach's run. It's not enough to be the sword.

929
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: You must be the intelligence behind it. So the reason

930
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 3: why they trained for seven years is they don't just

931
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 3: go out there and fight, right. So I was thinking

932
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 3: of little moments like, for instance, in even in a

933
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 3: Black Panther movie when Akoy was talking to T'challah and

934
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 3: Ross was there and he was like, does she speak English?

935
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: And She said, if she chooses to how the languages

936
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: does she speak a lot? To be an intelligence officer

937
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 3: that closer to chall how many does she speak to

938
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 3: be able to warn him of something? And even Nikiya,

939
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 3: who they were like in like in Italy or journally

940
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 3: or something. And remember she was in Korea, she knew Korean.

941
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 3: I was like, how many do they learn? And then

942
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 3: I was also inspired by something. I mean it was

943
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: actually almost after the book had been turned in, but

944
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 3: I was really excited because I was like, oh, I

945
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 3: did something like this. Remember in Falcon in the winter

946
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 3: Soldier shows up and you're seeing the flashbacks to her

947
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 3: and White wolf a ka, yeah, and he's fighting his

948
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 3: programming and she was like, no, you have this, you

949
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 3: got this, and she's she's talking him through it. And

950
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 3: I was trying to figure out how she learned to

951
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 3: do program somebody? How did she learn that?

952
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: Right?

953
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 3: How did you so that? That was also when when

954
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 3: when we get to the like the fighting section of

955
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 3: the strength section, it's not all physical because like I

956
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 3: don't know how you know your your physical prowess is

957
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: nothing to an EmPATH, nothing to Professor X, nothing to Phoenix.

958
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 3: So how you fighting, you know, and that even happened town.

959
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 3: How's the coaches run when they got ahold of a

960
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 3: syrup who, by the way, is going to buy justice?

961
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 3: Those are you? Who? Who knows? Wow? Wow that queen

962
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 3: of justice from back in the day.

963
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had got lost when we were talking earlier.

964
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was the thing. I went back to read.

965
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: Christopher Priest's Ryan, uh, And I went back and read

966
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 2: a bunch of this old stuff and so honestly it

967
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 2: made me even have a bigger appreciation for Coats, cause

968
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 2: like a lot of this stuff was so yeah, like.

969
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: Like the child the child ride thing and all that, like.

970
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 2: Uh, and like you know, the child almost being like

971
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 2: some quote unquote James Bondish, like you know, like he's

972
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: so cool, you know, Like that was like he's coming,

973
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: he comes to Brooklyn.

974
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 1: He's just so cool, you know.

975
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: Like I love the way it is, uh that he

976
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 2: was able to incorporate that stuff, but also like cherry

977
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 2: pick the good and the bad and stuff. But yeah,

978
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: it didn't You made me think about that when you

979
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 2: brought up the child ride thing, and I was like, yo,

980
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: I did that jarred me when I read it.

981
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: But then I'm like oh, you figured out how to

982
00:52:58,800 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: clean it up.

983
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: You got your coat, so and now and now I

984
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: don't have to feel bad. I could be like, oh,

985
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 2: that white man, he don't know that black don't crack.

986
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 3: I don't know they honestly. And I have a little

987
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 3: note in there. It's something about going undercover. I don't

988
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 3: even remember where I wrote it. It's in the book

989
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 3: somewhere where there's a note about like going to cover

990
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 3: self work whatever. Yeah, intelligence is ninety percent of really infiltration.

991
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 3: So people think just people just running in and it's

992
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 3: like no, no, And then it's a conversation that a

993
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 3: koy has in the margin. It's like, yeah, I remember

994
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 3: when I was with the child in New York at

995
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: one of my earliest assignments. Someone thought I was like

996
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 3: sixteen years old. Yeah, and so it's like and so

997
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 3: it's like it's just an off handed kind That's what

998
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 3: I told him, Like, that's the only way I'm addressing it.

999
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 3: I'm not giving you a This is why we are

1000
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 3: against no right your heads, Yeah we are. And also

1001
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 3: the concept of black women being little black girls being

1002
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 3: considered women, right. White girls can.

1003
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 1: Just be girls, right.

1004
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 3: So I was like, I'm not going to give a

1005
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: whole chapter to this because it's really your problem that

1006
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 3: you think that we are.

1007
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 2: Not right and and it's so very Wakandin that that

1008
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 2: is how they would think of it. They would like

1009
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 2: they wouldn't be like, like I feel like as American

1010
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 2: black people sometimes we feel like we need to like

1011
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 2: prove some of us feel like we need to like

1012
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 2: prove some shit to some white people. Like no, but

1013
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 2: if you you know, and I feel like the thing

1014
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: I like about the Wakans, they're very much likes and

1015
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 2: our grandparents, right, And I love the thing about that

1016
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 2: I liked about Wakandans and like, and I think why

1017
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 2: I'm so attractive to a lot of Black Americans as

1018
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: the lower and the country and all this is that

1019
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: they're very much like, we don't need to prove shit

1020
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: to you. If anything, you should prove something to us,

1021
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: and we're not taking we're not taking the time to

1022
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: explain it because we don't feel that it's even worth

1023
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 2: explaining to you.

1024
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: We know our.

1025
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 3: Works, and honestly, that is an that is a discussion.

1026
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 3: I had a lot about the book, so like, we

1027
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 3: think this should be explained, And I was like why,

1028
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 3: because if I grew up in an African country and

1029
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 3: I did not ever have to explain myself. Why would

1030
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 3: I explain this? Like even something else that didn't go

1031
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 3: through was like ten thousand BC black Panther, like when

1032
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 3: they did the prehistoric Avengers or whatever, and I'm like, yeah,

1033
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 3: just mess me up with that, because if he saw

1034
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 3: a vibranium, why wouldn't anybody. They're not going to write

1035
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 3: another backstory, damn it. So but I didn't call him

1036
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 3: ten thousand BC black Panther, and they're like why, I said,

1037
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 3: because they in Wakanda would not have a concept of BC.

1038
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 3: That is a European concept if you're looking at as

1039
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 3: far back. So we would have called they would have

1040
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 3: their own calendar, so they would have called him like

1041
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 3: twelve thousand, twelve thousand before Bushenkab and they wouldn't let me.

1042
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 3: They wouldn't let me do that because again that's where

1043
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 3: I would find the fence. So I usually hit the

1044
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 3: fan when I was trying to change the name of

1045
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 3: existing cannon, Like for instance, I was trying to call

1046
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 3: I can't remember what I was calling him, but something

1047
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,760
Speaker 3: else that I did, I tried to make this also

1048
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 3: as pan African as possible. So I tried to put

1049
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 3: and again, I want everybody understand what I'm saying. The

1050
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 3: book can be read by everybody, right, but there's levels.

1051
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 3: So if you just know so you've just seen the movies,

1052
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 3: there's something in there for you. There's a lot of

1053
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,399
Speaker 3: really cool information. If you've got kids who are like, oh,

1054
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 3: I want to know more about the women and the

1055
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: weapons and what they wore like.

1056
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: And I was able.

1057
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 3: I thought to get Alisa Martinez to draw some work

1058
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 3: on this book. There's about six or seven artists. I

1059
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 3: didn't get to choose them all. I'm going to tell

1060
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 3: you that right now. I only got to choose three.

1061
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 3: But I you know, I was like, I need Alitha

1062
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 3: because the Leatha created the original outfits from the Dora

1063
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 3: and she knows what they look like like. I got

1064
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,720
Speaker 3: to give my cosplay girls something.

1065
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: Yes, I gotta give my con.

1066
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 3: Let's go exactly the corner. I got to give people

1067
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 3: who want to be a part of this something to

1068
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 3: latch onto. So there's something in here for everybody. But

1069
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 3: because I'm a black woman on the Internet who happens

1070
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 3: to write about comics, I know the dudes who write

1071
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 3: comics are coming for me. That's why I was like, yeah,

1072
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 3: I got you, I got your cuts right here, Pa,

1073
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 3: I got you.

1074
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Speaker 2: How has that been online? Like, I mean, the book

1075
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 2: just came out, so it hasn't been in a lot

1076
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 2: of hands just yet to even have like, but it

1077
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 2: sounds like you already anticipated.

1078
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 3: But I mean, one thing I will say is for

1079
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 3: those of you who bought the book in pre worder

1080
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 3: of the book and are getting them, thank you, thank you,

1081
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 3: thank you. Anybody who has the book, please go to

1082
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 3: Amazon or Borns of Nobles or or good Reads or

1083
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 3: something and leave a review because that also really really

1084
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 3: helps the book. And I have had more people argue

1085
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 3: with me that haven't bought the book just because they

1086
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 3: want the likes and the follows. So I have a

1087
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 3: dude that the day the book, Drop tried to give

1088
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 3: me the entire litany and history of Black Panther, and

1089
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 3: he's like, I really would like to see this in

1090
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 3: the book. I said, I really would like to see

1091
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 3: you buy the book. Hello, oh man. And and then

1092
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 3: I had somebody else on TikTok regularly for TikTok on

1093
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 3: TikTok for months, I've had several dudes who are like,

1094
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: she didn't really read this book. She's making this sh up.

1095
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 3: I've never heard of her. Excuse my friends. Sorry, I've

1096
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 3: never heard of her. Who is she? I don't know you,

1097
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 3: and I'm like, what are you? Nineteen? I was reading

1098
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 3: Black Panther when you were a thought go to bed.

1099
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 3: I'm not having this discussion with you. But that's the

1100
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 3: other thing. I don't do a lot of fighting on

1101
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 3: the social media. Not worth it, No, But people get

1102
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 3: very confused when they meet me because I'm like, oh

1103
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 3: my gosh, she seems so nice. I'm like, yeah, but

1104
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 3: you shouldn't have said that on Friday.

1105
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: On Tuesday, Yeah, I remember, I remember everything.

1106
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 3: Right, yell like so with black women in commics say

1107
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 3: that to my face right here?

1108
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 4: Words mean things, and I'll.

1109
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 3: Not people. So people at like I had one guy

1110
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 3: at one of the signings go, you know, I really

1111
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 3: hope this is good because I don't want to be disappointed.

1112
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, did you pay for it? He's like yeah,

1113
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 3: I said, haf the day you deserve.

1114
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: Right, I don't.

1115
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 3: You brought it? I got you, and you.

1116
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: Know you made me think of something earlier when you

1117
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 2: brought up like this is a black world, black nation

1118
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 2: conceived by white men and and written. But it's also

1119
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,680
Speaker 2: like up until recently almost been exclusively written by men,

1120
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 2: so like to have like women's perspectives.

1121
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 1: That's why I think I liked about the I said

1122
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: gay Run, I.

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01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 3: Think, and honestly, and I hate to say it, I

1124
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 3: really do. Some of my biggest supporters or white men,

1125
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 3: white men, and black women. The people that are coming

1126
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,439
Speaker 3: from me left and right are black men.

1127
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: Oh no, I believe it, and it.

1128
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: Well, there's an entitlement and an ownership that comes with

1129
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 2: black dudes and black panther feeling like it's our domain.

1130
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: And even like the original writing, like.

1131
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 2: The way Christopher Priest wrote the Dora Miller Jay like

1132
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm not trying to like knock these people,

1133
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 2: but as somebody that didn't read it until twenty twenty.

1134
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: Or whatever, it stuck out to me like, oh, this is.

1135
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: What a dude would think was cool when he wrote

1136
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 2: this in whatever year. And one of the things I

1137
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 2: liked about like Coach Run and Roxanne gays Run, is

1138
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 2: how much the Dora challenged to Challah and the Crown

1139
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 2: and the royalty and not and not just like challenge

1140
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 2: him as a man, but I mean challenge him as

1141
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: like as an entity, is like a king, as a

1142
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 2: quote unquote ruler, as like that kind of thing where

1143
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 2: it's like they're closer to.

1144
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 3: The people, and it is and I think the thing

1145
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 3: that people miss and this is how I know when

1146
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 3: the people who are arguing me about the very thing

1147
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 3: that you're talking about Donkey comics, because right, Neddie Koor

1148
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 3: for his run and Jonathan Mayberry's running, John Hickman's Fantastic

1149
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 3: four thing.

1150
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 1: All came before Coats yep.

1151
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1152
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 3: And they had surely challenged her brother and bring the

1153
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 3: Dora with her yep. Yeah. She was the one to

1154
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 3: say to him, I'm sorry, is that name war? Are

1155
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 3: you talking to the name war that flooded and killed

1156
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 3: my people?

1157
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: Right?

1158
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 3: Your? Oh no? And so it was like, you know,

1159
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 3: I have a vote of no confidence.

1160
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, we're done.

1161
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 3: She's like, I'm sorry, brother, we're done. I can't go

1162
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 3: with you on this. Yes, they killed our people and

1163
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 3: then the door dropped their swords, right, Yes, they didn't

1164
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 3: do it till sure he did it. And so there

1165
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 3: was precedence. People think that like rock Sanyne Gay came

1166
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 3: out the gate with that. I'm sure she had to

1167
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 3: have a conversation with Marvel too, and they were like, yeah,

1168
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 3: they've done it before. Ye. But so it's just people

1169
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 3: pick and choose what they want to fight you on

1170
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 3: or wherever. And so I've had that happen to me

1171
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 3: a couple of times, like, oh, what's your favorite black

1172
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 3: panther run? And I'm like Jason, Aaron see Wakanda and

1173
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 3: die and they're like what, I'm like, right, And here's

1174
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 3: the thing. I am not one of those people. And

1175
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 3: I've said it. I don't like it when people do

1176
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 3: the what's your comic book requisite? Everybody is welcomed. Everybody's

1177
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 3: welcome in my feed, everybody's welcome in my space, my discord,

1178
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 3: everybody's welcome. The moment you gate keep I tolerate that

1179
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 3: people come from me like that, thinking oh, you know,

1180
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 3: and I and I stopped them. I'm like, I need

1181
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 3: you to You're gonna quit immediately, yeah, And then and

1182
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 3: then I think the only thing I've had is some

1183
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 3: dudes that are like, it's just you know, oh, another

1184
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 3: another Marvel book that's anti men or something like that.

1185
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 3: And I don't even think those people in comics. I

1186
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:22,959
Speaker 3: think that was like an atos.

1187
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 5: Dude, right that that completely makes it. That's something that

1188
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 5: I and And not to get off topic, but I

1189
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 5: want to go back to when you were talking about

1190
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 5: like the compassion and we was talking about the mental

1191
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 5: health you and you actually making my mind tick, uh people,

1192
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,919
Speaker 5: And somebody was saying seven years. I say yes, because

1193
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 5: you have to think these Domlas jay have actually dealt

1194
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:47,560
Speaker 5: with people from all walks of life. So they are

1195
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 5: training these young women to deal with racism. They're training

1196
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 5: them to deal with people that are three and four

1197
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 5: and five times their size.

1198
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 4: They're they're like like like and shit like that, like.

1199
01:03:59,240 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 3: Like like that.

1200
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 5: They're training them to have the middle middle capacity if

1201
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 5: you get caught. They're training them to to to not

1202
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 5: easily get your mind broken. They're training them to actually,

1203
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 5: you know, withstand pain. They're training them, and.

1204
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 3: They're training them, and they're also training them like a

1205
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 3: Sierra is in this book too, and she has to

1206
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 3: explain to some of them, like, y'all didn't live in

1207
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 3: America because you don't know, right, Like She's like so

1208
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 3: because some of them are like I don't understand why

1209
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 3: this is a problem. And she's like because you you're

1210
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 3: not you haven't seen them dash for you've only lived here,

1211
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 3: And she'd be like, trust me, in New York, this

1212
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 3: is a problem. Or in you know, if you go

1213
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 3: down south, this is a problem, because there's a piece

1214
01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 3: where they tell you, like even outside the outside of

1215
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 3: the US and Africa, you know, you go to the

1216
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 3: Middle East, you're gonna have to have your head covered

1217
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 3: in certain places. So but it doesn't mean that your

1218
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 3: burka can't have vibranium shielding, right, doesn't mean you know

1219
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like or and there are some or

1220
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 3: who can't cut their hair, who have to keep their

1221
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 3: head covered, and we do have outfits for them. We

1222
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 3: have we got to some of you can't get tattoos.

1223
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 3: We understand that for religious or whatever. But there's ink

1224
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 3: that is not visible that we can give you, Like

1225
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 3: there are things that I try, you know, and being

1226
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 3: able to infiltrate and seek because also, like I said,

1227
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 3: there's a lot of reconnaissance. The other thing I was

1228
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 3: able to also put in the book was the entire

1229
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 3: Selema and I don't know that's a deep, deep cut.

1230
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 3: They were the original wetworks team men and women that

1231
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 3: were created by T'Chaka, so actually they might have been

1232
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 3: created by his father, but I do they are basically

1233
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 3: sleeper cells. You don't know who they are. If you

1234
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 3: see him's too late. They don't even know who each

1235
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 3: other is. You get inducted into the super Secret Society

1236
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 3: of Assassins for Wakanda. This is how people get taken

1237
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 3: out overseas. Like somebody's walking around talk about Wakanda. They

1238
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 3: gotta go okay, and then they're gone. We don't ask questions.

1239
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 3: We don't know how that happened. But and Evan Narcis

1240
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 3: wrote a little bit about them in his run, and

1241
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 3: they've been written about. But I was able to put

1242
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 3: one or two in this book, and it was really

1243
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 3: funny because there's a lot of stuff like y'all have

1244
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 3: too many discussions. I don't understand why we just don't

1245
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 3: take a back, can't kill everybody, Hang on.

1246
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: Who are your inspirations that, like you know, helped influence

1247
01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 2: Like what you said out there confers with.

1248
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 3: The book definitely. Just I wanted to give something to

1249
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 3: just about all of the writers, like like I said, Christopher,

1250
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 3: Jonathan Hickman, Jonathan Mayberry, you know, Jason, Aaron Rock, Saint

1251
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:03,919
Speaker 3: Gay and even the artists like at least Martinez, and

1252
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 3: you know, if it were Richardson and a bunch of

1253
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 3: different people, I wanted to be able to highlight things

1254
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 3: that they've done. Reginald Hudlin, of course. And there are

1255
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 3: parts of the book that there's one part of the

1256
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 3: book that's actually very close to me, and it's it

1257
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 3: has to do with that mental mental part. And it's

1258
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 3: sort of like there's a section about like recovery and

1259
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 3: visual motor rehearsal and things like that. And not many

1260
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 3: people know this, but I'm a stroke survivor, and so

1261
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 3: I did a lot of work on I lost the

1262
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 3: ability to move the less side of my body for

1263
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 3: about six months, and so we'll move it properly. I

1264
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 3: should say I can move it, but I looked drunk.

1265
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 3: So the U and part I had a fantastic physical

1266
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 3: therapist that was individual MORTI rehearsal and things like that,

1267
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 3: how much your brain controls your body. So you would

1268
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 3: always give me mental stuff to do before I went

1269
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 3: to sleep, and I would wake up in the morning

1270
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 3: and it was like, well it works. I can move

1271
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 3: my finger, you know, things like that. And so there

1272
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 3: were certain things that just from my own life I

1273
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 3: was able to pull from. And then I know a

1274
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 3: lot of people, different people from across the diaspora, and

1275
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 3: I was able to tap into a lot of their

1276
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 3: Like my mother's not from this countrysation with Bermuda, but

1277
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 3: that's not the same as Haiti, that's not the same

1278
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:36,560
Speaker 3: as Nigeria, that's not the same as you know, South Africa.

1279
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 3: So I was able to really tap into a lot

1280
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 3: of the stories and the culture I heard there from

1281
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 3: different people. Even that concept of passing things down to

1282
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 3: younger I don't know. I feel like that's an African thing.

1283
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 3: I feel like that's an African American thing. But in

1284
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Speaker 3: my family, I'm the oldest, I'm the only girl, and

1285
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 3: so if my little brothers did anything and gotten something,

1286
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 3: I would catch it right. And that's just how I know.

1287
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 3: My boyfriend runs like that, like you get younger brothers,

1288
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 3: something goes wrong while you want watch you catching it right.

1289
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 3: And so that's kind of how it works with the Kwatsa.

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01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 3: The konwatsa is a excuse me, how's the term for

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01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 3: a little sister. And so if you are a knwatsa

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01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 3: door that means you're a little sister, and you have

1293
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,759
Speaker 3: to speak to your Eadora. Who are you the mothers

1294
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,759
Speaker 3: the older ones or your older knwata. But the point

1295
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 3: is you follow directions. At the same time, there's rules

1296
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 3: to this ship, right like, any you older ones start

1297
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 3: abusing power, we come a for you. You know, any

1298
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 3: of you younger ones try to thwart that power because

1299
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 3: remember they've dealt with a loss. They've dealt with the

1300
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 3: younger door a Dora killing an older Dora, right like,

1301
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 3: that's never happening on our watch again ever, So there's

1302
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 3: certain things that we're putting this in. So yeah, I am.

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01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 3: I just was. First of all, I'm just really proud

1304
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 3: that they let me do half the stuff I was

1305
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,920
Speaker 3: able to do. And then I got the biggest compliment

1306
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 3: from that last Remember I told you there's that last

1307
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 3: person at Marble that has to make sure that everything

1308
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 3: matches all of the things, and he approves everything, and

1309
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 3: then he sent me a personal email. I'm not allowed

1310
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 3: to divult you it is He sent me a personal

1311
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 3: email and he said, this is the best history of

1312
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 3: Wakanda I've ever read. You should be very proud. And

1313
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 3: I was like, I know, I was a mess.

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Speaker 5: I know you now tell me anything, because I'm gonna

1315
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 5: I'm gonna tell you right now if my name gets

1316
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 5: exed and stone anywhere associated own the own the bottom

1317
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 5: of the shoe, of the mouse, the house, you ain't

1318
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,280
Speaker 5: gonna be able to tell me ship.

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01:10:56,200 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 3: Tell me nothing, to tell me nothing. So I've seen

1320
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 3: a couple of people in the comments ask if they

1321
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:04,799
Speaker 3: have if this has anything to do with the movie.

1322
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 3: My book was not. I don't know anything about Wakonna forever.

1323
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 3: I do know that. Listen, I don't know what guests

1324
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 3: to Ryan Cooler. If I find out that he saw

1325
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 3: some of this some thiss is in the movie, I

1326
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 3: will be the first person person I have no I

1327
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 3: have no idea. I don't know what's going on. So

1328
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 3: many people ask me like, is this gonna be the

1329
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 3: basis of the TV show? I'm like, I have no idea.

1330
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 3: So I literally wrote this based on the comics. I'm

1331
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:34,640
Speaker 3: going to see the movies just like the rest of

1332
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 3: y'all at Hope. I know it's gonna be amazing. This

1333
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 3: is not a prerequisite. You don't have. We talked a

1334
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 3: lot about comics here because I.

1335
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 1: Know me Wrot a huge comedy.

1336
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,240
Speaker 3: But you don't have to have known all the comics

1337
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 3: to read the book.

1338
01:11:48,439 --> 01:11:53,720
Speaker 2: This is absolutely the nerdiest episode. I'm pretty sure, Like

1339
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:57,280
Speaker 2: I know, I already know Giel. Some of the feedbacks

1340
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 2: is gonna be like.

1341
01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what y'all talk about. But I'm just

1342
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: so happy for all y'all because.

1343
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 4: I bought the book.

1344
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,320
Speaker 1: I know my cousin brother son of this.

1345
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,360
Speaker 3: I bought it as a gift for them exactly. And

1346
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 3: I do want to say it is considered a ya book.

1347
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 3: So if you have a child that you know reads

1348
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:19,200
Speaker 3: White books or you read why Whye books, there's no sex,

1349
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 3: there's no there's a little bit of violence, but it's

1350
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 3: not like I'm explaining some of the in their head

1351
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 3: chopped off, pouring out, nothing like that. The the two

1352
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 3: things that really excited me about the book also were

1353
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 3: the fighting styles. I'm an old school martial arts fan,

1354
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 3: getting up washing, you.

1355
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: Know, yes, Saturday morning, on Sunday morning.

1356
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 3: Come on, come on, and they let me kind of

1357
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 3: go nuts with that. But I loved how because a

1358
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,320
Speaker 3: lot of people are like, oh, yeah, they would have

1359
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 3: done like you know, Wu shoo and taekwondo. I'm like, yes,

1360
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 3: but they probably also would have done and Go and

1361
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 3: Capa and they would have done uh in GOONI stick

1362
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:05,680
Speaker 3: fighting and there's Haitian mushat and there's so I was

1363
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 3: very tried to also make sure that there is fighting

1364
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 3: styles from the African diaspora. And something Karen You said

1365
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 3: that was very interesting was women of different walks of

1366
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 3: life and stuff. One of the things two things I

1367
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 3: was really proud of is there. It's pretty well known

1368
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 3: in the comics. I don't think a lot of people

1369
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 3: know this, but the there are I don't well, I

1370
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 3: don't think it's really giving it away. Is it giving away?

1371
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 3: Like everybody knows in Imbaku and his tribe are supposed

1372
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 3: to be Ebo, right, is it Vanilla?

1373
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,639
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's given away, but yeah, I.

1374
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 3: Think, okay, yeah, the Shafari tribe is supposed to be Ebo.

1375
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 3: So I there's a character in the book. I'm not

1376
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 3: going to say, you'll you'll find her who's Ebo. Who

1377
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:02,719
Speaker 3: decides to become a Dora. Wow, there's a deep credit

1378
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:04,639
Speaker 3: in there you for other comic creators. But she decides

1379
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 3: to become a Dora. And she's tiny, she's like five two,

1380
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 3: And there's a bunch of other things. She speaks Ebo,

1381
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,880
Speaker 3: not Yova, not Swahili, not Kosa. She lives in the

1382
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 3: mountains where it's cold. Down in the city it's hot

1383
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 3: as hell. She's like, what is happening? Right? And on

1384
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 3: top of everything else, like standard issue spear is like

1385
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 3: twice her size five to she's little, she's you know,

1386
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:36,640
Speaker 3: quinter to Princeton, And so I had to change her

1387
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 3: fighting style right up to the ground so that she

1388
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 3: did more of an Indonesian pancast a lot like John

1389
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 3: Wick has seen them, like the Indonesian or or the

1390
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:54,320
Speaker 3: rain rave that and you know how they have that

1391
01:14:54,439 --> 01:14:58,719
Speaker 3: tiny curved knife because it's very it's quick because she's little, right,

1392
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 3: she'll like take you down, she get your legs and

1393
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 3: then you're down.

1394
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1395
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 3: So but it was just like and it was but

1396
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 3: that was a part of the story that was about

1397
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 3: how do I do this. I'm like really foreign here,

1398
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 3: like I don't speak the language, I'm not the same height,

1399
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 3: I'm not the same strength, you know, And she had

1400
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 3: to figure out how to get through and that that's

1401
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 3: another like that's a personal story, but it's not necessarily

1402
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:26,000
Speaker 3: I can't a character that you've met before. And the

1403
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 3: other thing that I'm hugely proud of is the fact

1404
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,759
Speaker 3: that they let me write the origin of the dorm logic,

1405
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 3: Like who came up with Whenever I bring that up,

1406
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 3: people go Christopher Freeze and I'm like, in world in universe, yea,

1407
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 3: not the author. And they Marvel released this information like

1408
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 3: six months ago. I'm like, I wanted to release that

1409
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 3: with the book, but I but.

1410
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,160
Speaker 2: That's but that's low key kind of good, right because

1411
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 2: that means they were excited. They were pleased, like they

1412
01:15:58,280 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 2: you know, it's that thing where like they couldn't wait

1413
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:01,200
Speaker 2: to show y'all.

1414
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:07,839
Speaker 3: And I did a great interview with uh Charles Polliam

1415
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:11,000
Speaker 3: of The Verge of all about this. But I made

1416
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 3: the Honda the creator of the dorm lage and you

1417
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 3: can you can read the story I Marvel right now.

1418
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 3: But you can. It's also obviously in the book. If

1419
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:21,680
Speaker 3: I think, if you google what does it take to

1420
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 3: become a dormalage, it takes you right to the page, Okay.

1421
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 3: And I took it from a real life story and

1422
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:35,680
Speaker 3: that's from Tanas Coach basically, so you know how the

1423
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 3: wakandass have gods. So the gods are they call the

1424
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 3: Wakanda gods arisha. Arisha is usually is a europe word

1425
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 3: that's usually used for gods. But he gods of Wakanda

1426
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:52,840
Speaker 3: cover the same elements that we're all used to, but

1427
01:16:52,920 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 3: they're from different i'll say, different ethnic backgrounds. So there's

1428
01:17:00,680 --> 01:17:03,400
Speaker 3: like an Egyptian god, there is a you know, of course,

1429
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 3: you know bost but one of the gods goddess of water,

1430
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 3: but the ocean basically in Wakanda is Mujaji. Mujaji is

1431
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 3: kind of like Gamunja ola kun for those of you

1432
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 3: who are scholars of African dasporic deities and but in

1433
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 3: real life, the Mujaji cult is in South Africa. In

1434
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 3: real life, this is a matrilineal society and you can

1435
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 3: look them up and they've always been matrillineal. And it's

1436
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 3: a woman that is always the priestess, the head priestess,

1437
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 3: and she always has her wives around her. It has

1438
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 3: nothing to do. It's not a sexual things. There's no

1439
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 3: in their language, sister, aunt, wife, mother are all the

1440
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:03,560
Speaker 3: same word, so it's just translates to wife in English.

1441
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 3: And so the first Mujaji priest was I don't know

1442
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 3: if it was a family member or just a man

1443
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 3: of the community, was attacked by a man because he

1444
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 3: was like, a woman should not be queen, and he was.

1445
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 3: She was saved by another woman, and then she immediately said,

1446
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 3: my tire court will only be women. This is real life. Now,

1447
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 3: this is where I got so when I read this that,

1448
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's it, because you can't tell me in

1449
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 3: the thousands of years of history of black Panther, there's

1450
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 3: only been two women. And nobody had a problem with that.

1451
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 3: And so I said, all right, Nahanda is canonically the oldest.

1452
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 3: I could prove that because and Doaaekman said at first,

1453
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 3: so I'm going to make her the creator of the dormalage.

1454
01:18:50,280 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 3: And I used to say a similar story that somebody

1455
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,559
Speaker 3: in her court tried to poison her sister who was

1456
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 3: a servant saved her life. And she was like, you

1457
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 3: know what, bet only women, and I'm going to take

1458
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 3: one woman from every child every tribe of Wakanda that

1459
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:10,400
Speaker 3: is barren, and she will become my They will become

1460
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 3: my wives because barren women were out.

1461
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: Cast anywhere, right, Oh that's dope, man.

1462
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 3: And so it was like this one thing and I

1463
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 3: was like they're never gonna let me do this. And

1464
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 3: the editor was like, we love it, and I was like, yes.

1465
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: That is so dope.

1466
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 2: I just picture her saving her from being poisoned and

1467
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 2: then shoot plays from white makes Hell.

1468
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:33,519
Speaker 1: It's like, you know what, this is what it's about

1469
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: from now on?

1470
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 3: Okay. It was really interesting because remember I said I

1471
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 3: did the history of all the different kings. It was

1472
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,640
Speaker 3: very interesting to go from that to how did we

1473
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 3: get to they're all potential wives and to only speak

1474
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 3: to me and nobody else. It's very interesting to be

1475
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 3: able to pull that thread. This is how it started,

1476
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 3: like a black woman started it. But this is where

1477
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 3: we are now, no typical and so and the interpretation

1478
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 3: of things, and I think that's the other thing that's Uh,

1479
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 3: there's so much to get. This isn't like you read

1480
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 3: the book the story from beginning to end. Kind there's

1481
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 3: a bunch of different entries and a bunch of I

1482
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 3: want this to be like somebody's textbooks for them.

1483
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's going to be like That was

1484
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 2: the thing that struck me when I started reading it

1485
01:20:26,040 --> 01:20:28,600
Speaker 2: was like, oh no, this is this, it says the

1486
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 2: instruction guy.

1487
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:29,640
Speaker 1: It is.

1488
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,760
Speaker 2: It feels like like very much like, no, turn to

1489
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 2: chapter seven.

1490
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,799
Speaker 1: Okay that is when you Oh yeah, that's.

1491
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 3: I want you. I want you. Like okay, so in

1492
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 3: chapter two, verse.

1493
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 2: Seven, exactly what this morning? No, that that is not

1494
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:47,520
Speaker 2: how they use the spear. Okay, that is not You clearly.

1495
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: Are not up to You're not up to the third book.

1496
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 5: And I actually got glasses also like i'll push you

1497
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 5: up my nose, but I will actually.

1498
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 4: And move my pocket protective.

1499
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 3: Man. I'm so happy for you because I am so

1500
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:06,719
Speaker 3: lucky that I got people like Shiva Maya, who is

1501
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 3: an oil painter, to do. And I was like, y'all

1502
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:12,720
Speaker 3: got to talk to her early. Ya, she takes it's

1503
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 3: oil paintings, go do this in a minute. And so

1504
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 3: she did all my you know, she did all my

1505
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 3: chapter headings. Like look at this, and keep in mind, she's.

1506
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:28,560
Speaker 1: You have how many weeks to do this? Fifteen?

1507
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 3: They were working in tandem. They weren't like she wasn't

1508
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:33,960
Speaker 3: waiting for me to finish to start painting.

1509
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 2: Okay, because I was gonna say all this, but just

1510
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 2: the fact that this all came together, it's just this

1511
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 2: is amazing.

1512
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: Oh my god, look.

1513
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 3: At this, like even like right, exactly, I think. And

1514
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 3: then I we even have like I said, we've got

1515
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 3: even like fighting styles in here. Yeah, and like hand

1516
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 3: to hand combat, mental you know.

1517
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: Formations, Yeah did that man?

1518
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 3: And yeah, like look these are the different sp spear tips.

1519
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 3: For some reason, everybody thinks there's only two, like they

1520
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 3: think it's just that one, right. So but yeah, I

1521
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 3: hope that. I here's the thing. I want people to

1522
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 3: have conversations about the book. I want people to go

1523
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 3: buy some of the comics. I want people to buy

1524
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 3: this and like the kind of Atlas and some down

1525
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:33,559
Speaker 3: and go, oh my god. So this was here.

1526
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 1: That was yeah.

1527
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 3: I mean I had a great conversation with somebody who

1528
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 3: was like, yo, I want to do a role playing game.

1529
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,920
Speaker 3: I was like, yo, it's that idea. Maybe we got

1530
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 3: to go to Marvel.

1531
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 1: Come on, let's go.

1532
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 2: And like the other thing too, is like, uh, you

1533
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 2: know you talked about how there's different entry points into

1534
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 2: this like world right and this. Lord, You've now created

1535
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 2: an entry point for somebody, Like somebody's gonna come into

1536
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 2: the game from this and they're gonna be well versed.

1537
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 2: I did want to ask, too, like what has been

1538
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 2: your experience with like the online like have you have

1539
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 2: you been getting it from the like people that are

1540
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 2: I'm just here for the movie, or we need to

1541
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:18,719
Speaker 2: recast the Jalla or you know, or what a woman

1542
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 2: doing right?

1543
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: And you know economics, like have you been getting it

1544
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:21,639
Speaker 1: from them too?

1545
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 3: So everybody, and this is just a general thing. So

1546
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:31,840
Speaker 3: first of all, anybody, I have a I have a

1547
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 3: blue check mark on Twitter. I didn't buy it that.

1548
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 3: I got it when I was working with Sci Fi

1549
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:39,759
Speaker 3: and I actually was able to be on TV. Anybody

1550
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 3: who gets who works for a network, You actually can

1551
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 3: get a blue check mark if you work for a

1552
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 3: network for a certain amount of time. That's how I

1553
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 3: got mine. I don't work there anymore, but I kept

1554
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 3: my blue check mark. Anybody who gets a blue check

1555
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 3: mark usually.

1556
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 4: Catches it right, it's something about it.

1557
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 3: Oh they just gave this to her because you got

1558
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 3: a blue check mark. I'm like, And it's this really

1559
01:23:58,680 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 3: weird thing that people think that if you got a

1560
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 3: blue check mark, that there's actually a check involved like money,

1561
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 3: Like yes, no, I'm struggling to pay my mortgage, Like

1562
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1563
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: I blame you know what. I blame the trap brunches.

1564
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: When we started going to trap Brunch, the blue check

1565
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 1: mark people. We isolated a lot of folks and I

1566
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 1: like the game up.

1567
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 4: I didn't know that.

1568
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 3: See I wasn't even invited.

1569
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: To those so that was okay. Yeah, I gotta send

1570
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 1: you a DM for what the trap brunches.

1571
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 5: And she missed tapping, So there's a st And then

1572
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 5: there's a certain group of people they're just I don't

1573
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1574
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 3: Maybe it's my age. I don't know it is, but

1575
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 3: I've been like before I was doing writing, I was

1576
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 3: in video editing. I used to work in advertising. I've

1577
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 3: just about always been the black woman in the room.

1578
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 3: It's either underestimated or hated. So I don't know, baby,

1579
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 3: I'm just used to it. But there's there's always a

1580
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 3: certain level of hate that just exists in my timeline.

1581
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:58,400
Speaker 3: I love Lakita. Lakita. You're trying to get a free book,

1582
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,000
Speaker 3: aren't you? He said, I'm twenty five.

1583
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 2: Yes, I here sounded like a white c I a

1584
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 2: agent seeing the door for.

1585
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 4: The first time, it bumbled in the room.

1586
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 3: My camera wouldn't even let me stay all with that.

1587
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 3: My chamer was like take her out?

1588
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: Who the camera just hating?

1589
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 3: What's going on cam was like, you think you're twenty

1590
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 3: five exactly. Look, even even crowdcasts will let me literally

1591
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 3: not letting me.

1592
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: Oh no, wow, I blame Lakia.

1593
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 3: As long as y'all can still hear me, we can

1594
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 3: hear you.

1595
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: If you want to take the time to refresh, feel

1596
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 1: free to do that. We'll bam saying why.

1597
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,760
Speaker 3: It's not like every now and then crowdcast is like, nope.

1598
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:46,680
Speaker 1: Eh, this is I blame.

1599
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're playing Okay, I'm gonna refresh. Okay, if I

1600
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 3: can come back, no problems.

1601
01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, the only reason I bring.

1602
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 3: That up is because Lakita got I kicked out.

1603
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:58,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, the only reason I bring that up is because

1604
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 2: I think, you know, they parients of a lot of

1605
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:06,080
Speaker 2: black women and women in general is already can be

1606
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:10,080
Speaker 2: bad within the nerd sphere. But then when you throw

1607
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:13,640
Speaker 2: in race, you know, when you throw in these movements

1608
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 2: that you know, like the recast, the child of movement

1609
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 2: and stuff, which seems to be a pretty gendered.

1610
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:22,200
Speaker 1: Movement, I'm like, I'm not. I haven't engaged. I don't.

1611
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 2: I also, like Karama, don't really engage with folks, and

1612
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 2: I don't fight them.

1613
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 1: I don't argue with them online.

1614
01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:30,600
Speaker 2: So in a lot of yeah, in a lot of

1615
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 2: these cases, I'm not the one to un it'll mean

1616
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 2: that I don't know all the details of the ends

1617
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 2: and nights of the fighting. But you know, for me,

1618
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:41,799
Speaker 2: you see stuff on the fringes where you're like that

1619
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,000
Speaker 2: that just seems like, you know, harassment with more steps,

1620
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 2: So that.

1621
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 1: Just that just seems like.

1622
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 2: Like you know, like you're you're upset that that women

1623
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 2: are playing in the sandbox with the toys, you know,

1624
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 2: or how their women have different opinions about the way

1625
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 2: that they've been portrayed through common sent through the eyes

1626
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 2: of men and stuff like.

1627
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 6: That, right, And I know, for me, for a very

1628
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:12,040
Speaker 6: very long time, I know it was a running jerk

1629
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 6: on for those of you to listen to the nerd

1630
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 6: off how I would never claim being a nerd because

1631
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 6: I like, I just want to like shit and love

1632
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 6: shit and enjoy shit.

1633
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 5: I am not the type of person that hate shit.

1634
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 5: I am not the type of person to challenge you

1635
01:27:24,120 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 5: on what the fuck you like like, I actually do

1636
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 5: not care. I can learn from you, you can learn

1637
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,920
Speaker 5: from me, But you know, just on the outside looking in.

1638
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 4: For a very long time, I was like oh, no,

1639
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:37,200
Speaker 4: nerd is them people who.

1640
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:41,160
Speaker 5: You know, push their glasses up, roll a pocket protector

1641
01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 5: and then just go down all the details of.

1642
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 4: The Star Wars. And I was like, I don't know

1643
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:47,679
Speaker 4: that shit, so I guess I'm not a nerve.

1644
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:50,040
Speaker 2: There's a lot of nerd checking, and then there's also

1645
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:54,679
Speaker 2: that very gender nerd checking, you know, like asking what

1646
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,080
Speaker 2: comics did you read in order to talk about this

1647
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:00,000
Speaker 2: that you wouldn't ask a guy, but you ask a woman.

1648
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 2: You see that type of thing, and then you know,

1649
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:08,879
Speaker 2: just general harassment we know within social media, like especially

1650
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 2: women of color, especially black women, get so much more harassment,

1651
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 2: and there's so less protections because these things are designed

1652
01:28:16,200 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 2: and created by white men with white people's experience in mind,

1653
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,400
Speaker 2: so there's very little idea to like.

1654
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:23,679
Speaker 1: So I think.

1655
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 2: Anytime you get like a spotlight shine on you, or

1656
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 2: like you become the arbitrar of the story, like Karamas now

1657
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:35,679
Speaker 2: telling the story, there's gonna be pushed back from people

1658
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,759
Speaker 2: who feel this entitlement to like, it's my story.

1659
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:40,759
Speaker 1: The way I feel does mattered.

1660
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:44,519
Speaker 2: But it's like, how how would it not supersede everything

1661
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 2: to have a black woman write about black women's experience.

1662
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,120
Speaker 2: So I was just curious to see if that was

1663
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:53,040
Speaker 2: something she was dealing with.

1664
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 5: Right, and uh, Lakey says that she's never read a

1665
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,040
Speaker 5: comic book that they got. That what I'm gonna tell

1666
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 5: you for me personally, what introduced everybody get introduced to

1667
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 5: comic books Differently. I was not raised up on comic

1668
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,960
Speaker 5: books like Roger ben He's been reading for decades.

1669
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:09,759
Speaker 4: Ever since he was a child.

1670
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 5: I love cartoons, and so any cartoon that you actually loved,

1671
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 5: there is a comic book about it. So I got

1672
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 5: introduced to comic books through my love of the Powerpuff Girls.

1673
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 5: I absolutely adore still to this day. One of my

1674
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 5: favorite car through the Powerpuff Girls. So this was years

1675
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:32,839
Speaker 5: ago when there was the Bonds and Nobles, the books

1676
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 5: a million where you could go in and actually go

1677
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 5: and like spend a little thing around and they have

1678
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:39,240
Speaker 5: like all these comic books on it.

1679
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 4: Because I will go to the comic book store with Roger.

1680
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 5: When you used to have to do like you do

1681
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:45,719
Speaker 5: the records, dig through the crates and.

1682
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:48,280
Speaker 3: I would have he would pick.

1683
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 5: Stuff and I would just be fumbling around and then

1684
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1685
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 4: If I saw that you saw you was like oh,

1686
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:55,320
Speaker 4: it's a Powerpuff comic book.

1687
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 1: I saw it. It was that thing where.

1688
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,800
Speaker 2: I was like, uh, the way the easiest way to

1689
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 2: get someone interested in something that the star wars something

1690
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 2: they already like and then crossover.

1691
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:08,439
Speaker 1: And so I knew you love power Up girls.

1692
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 2: So I just bought a bunch of them and was like, Yo,

1693
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 2: you should check these out because you already are familiar

1694
01:30:14,240 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 2: with the characters and story. And I think very much

1695
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 2: a lot of Black people, especially they may not be

1696
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 2: interested in all the comics, but a lot of them

1697
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:27,400
Speaker 2: are interested in Black Panther, you know, specifically. All right,

1698
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 2: let me let me invite Karama back on screen and

1699
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 2: we'll wrap up the interview. But yet a lot of

1700
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 2: black people's entry was Black Panther the movie, And there's

1701
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 2: no shame in that, like going, and I think a

1702
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 2: lot of black people are It's not necessarily that they're

1703
01:30:44,120 --> 01:30:46,760
Speaker 2: one hundred percent interested in all comic book lower, but

1704
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 2: they might specifically just be interested in Black Panther and

1705
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 2: Black Panther history and Black Panther like what kind of history?

1706
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 2: And so this is the kind of book that you

1707
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 2: can give them. I think, you know, I'm already like

1708
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,600
Speaker 2: circling like my niece for like Christmas or something like,

1709
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 2: all right, let's get her of this book, you know,

1710
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 2: because I think, you know, especially people like avid readers

1711
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,840
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, this is a world they wanted

1712
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,720
Speaker 2: to explore. And you know, it's Karama just pointing out

1713
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:16,120
Speaker 2: there's been so much Lord that's just been written in

1714
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 2: two years, like this Lord wasn't necessarily there for everybody cookbooks,

1715
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1716
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 5: Like I was like, oh shit, Like.

1717
01:31:26,040 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 1: That's so nerdy to be like, but it's just something

1718
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,880
Speaker 1: you never think about. It's like, yeah, what do they eat?

1719
01:31:31,200 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 1: What's so wakandon dish? What does that taste like?

1720
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 3: You know.

1721
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:38,679
Speaker 2: So I think all of that stuff is extremely interesting

1722
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 2: to a certain demographic of people, and so I don't

1723
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 2: think anybody should ever be ashamed about that entry into

1724
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 2: the world.

1725
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 1: There's so many.

1726
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:50,280
Speaker 2: People that I know they started liking stuff because of

1727
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 2: the cartoons for Justice League and Batman. You know, there's

1728
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:59,040
Speaker 2: people that you know, I was a person that I

1729
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:01,600
Speaker 2: read the comic book, but that's because honestly, before the

1730
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:02,800
Speaker 2: comic books, there wasn't a.

1731
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 4: Lot, no, So it was before the cartoons.

1732
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 2: Yes, like before the cartoons really before, like the TV

1733
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 2: shows were you know, a guy in a Spider Man

1734
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 2: costume climbing the side of a building, but really it

1735
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:21,640
Speaker 2: was just him pantomime on the ground, and it was

1736
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies Batman punch, like with the boom pal. So

1737
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:29,479
Speaker 2: like those were the things that I was that I

1738
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 2: was used to. Uh, that was my entry points and

1739
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:34,320
Speaker 2: then I ended up reading a lot of comics and stuff.

1740
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, and also I think for me and not that

1741
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 5: we would have an audience like this, but I know

1742
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:47,040
Speaker 5: a lot of people don't consider comic book reading is reading,

1743
01:32:47,080 --> 01:32:49,920
Speaker 5: but it's reading. And a lot of parents kind of

1744
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 5: deter children from reading comic books because they don't actually

1745
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 5: take it seriously. But it's actually reading. And so it's

1746
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:58,920
Speaker 5: one of those things where if you want to kind

1747
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 5: of get a child into risk it into reading, m you,

1748
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 5: that's one great way of doing it without you know,

1749
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 5: shaming him or feeling like if it's not a novel,

1750
01:33:09,880 --> 01:33:12,240
Speaker 5: you're fucking wasting your time. And I feel like you

1751
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 5: do yourself and your child or disservice whenever. Adults just

1752
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:18,799
Speaker 5: assume that comic book reading is not actually reading.

1753
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:23,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, So okay, Yeah, Karama is trying to get on,

1754
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,639
Speaker 2: but I guess it's given her some issues with her

1755
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 2: camera or something, so she's gonna try to do audio only.

1756
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,160
Speaker 2: So I need to let me Okay, let me resend

1757
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 2: this invite no problem, and we're.

1758
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:36,559
Speaker 1: Gonna try to wrap it. We were almost done, and

1759
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 1: I promise y'all.

1760
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 2: I was really just about to be like, girl, we

1761
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:40,519
Speaker 2: love you, you know all that good stuff.

1762
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:45,800
Speaker 1: If we could get her on, well we'll wrap it up.

1763
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:49,680
Speaker 2: And and if push comes to shop, also email her

1764
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 2: to say, just send us your phone number.

1765
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:54,519
Speaker 1: I can do Sky if we have to.

1766
01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:58,040
Speaker 4: So yeah, Adam, Adam West counts all.

1767
01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 1: Of it counts nothing.

1768
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 2: There is nothing that doesn't count, correct, you know what

1769
01:34:02,120 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 2: I mean. Like that's the thing I want people to realize.

1770
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 2: I think, especially women like I often get pushed out

1771
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 2: of like I'm not a nerd or these motherfucking dudes

1772
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:15,879
Speaker 2: have so much confidence and audacity. If there's no shortage

1773
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:18,800
Speaker 2: of it, they count it all like anything.

1774
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:20,679
Speaker 1: Like there's so many dudes.

1775
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:24,360
Speaker 2: It's really just audacity and entitlement where where they try

1776
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,680
Speaker 2: to come at people and be like you can't be

1777
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 2: in this, And it makes no sense because I know

1778
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 2: from the time that I started reading stuff.

1779
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:32,479
Speaker 1: I just wanted to grow. I want it.

1780
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:35,000
Speaker 2: I love what we're going through now. I love that

1781
01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 2: there's everybody's kind of a nerd. Everyone knows Marvel stuff,

1782
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:43,679
Speaker 2: everyone knows Disney stuff, everyone knows DC stuff. I love

1783
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:48,679
Speaker 2: that that's the world that's much preferable to this than

1784
01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 2: when I was a kid and I was like a

1785
01:34:51,320 --> 01:34:54,679
Speaker 2: kid with a backpack of comics and hoping nobody found

1786
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 2: them and shit, you know yeah.

1787
01:34:56,320 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 5: And also I think for me, I got into the

1788
01:35:01,200 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 5: CW through the c W Show, through arrow Verse.

1789
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 4: You know a lot of the Marvel stuff.

1790
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:11,560
Speaker 5: I am like a lot of other people Captain of

1791
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 5: America thor you know a lot of these people I

1792
01:35:14,160 --> 01:35:16,719
Speaker 5: literally had never heard of before prior to the movies.

1793
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:17,679
Speaker 4: I'm just keep it real.

1794
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 5: So to me, I absolutely positively like I love this

1795
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 5: and the way that a lot of nerds not just funny,

1796
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 5: know your comic books.

1797
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 4: That's how I know these movies. I've watched a lot

1798
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 4: of these.

1799
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 5: Movies upteen times. Like y'all go back and reach your

1800
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:34,759
Speaker 5: favorite runs.

1801
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:38,439
Speaker 4: I watch a lot of these movies upteen times.

1802
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,640
Speaker 5: And I can tell you the storylines, and you know

1803
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 5: the through lines and all that stuff, and I absolutely

1804
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 5: love it. So you can be a nerd in different areas,

1805
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 5: because there are movie nerds that will never read the

1806
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 5: comic books, but they know about the movies.

1807
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it doesn't mean that they're less or more.

1808
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 2: It's kind of a thing where everybody's a nerd now, correct,

1809
01:35:57,320 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 2: Like it really went from nobody Like I think even

1810
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 2: that I said this before, but even the meaning of

1811
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:08,440
Speaker 2: nerd is changing my lifetime. Nerd used to mean social outcasts,

1812
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:13,599
Speaker 2: social pariah, something like that, and I think now you know,

1813
01:36:13,840 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 2: now it means like somebody is knowledgeable about something, or

1814
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 2: somebody that's like into this certain type of pop culture. Okay,

1815
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 2: she just supposed a sweating emotion, so I imagine it

1816
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:24,880
Speaker 2: is not going well.

1817
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 1: Trying to hop back on.

1818
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:29,559
Speaker 3: It.

1819
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 2: Says it's something that connected, but it seems like it's

1820
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 2: not gonna let her connect again for some reason. I

1821
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 2: have no idea why, but you know what that is? Fine,

1822
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:43,840
Speaker 2: everything's okay. Let's let's let me tell y'all where to

1823
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:47,600
Speaker 2: get this book. Okay, it's called Black Panther Protectors of Wakanda,

1824
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 2: A History of Training, History and Training Manual of the

1825
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 2: Door Miller Jay from the Marvel universe, and you can

1826
01:36:56,160 --> 01:36:59,320
Speaker 2: get it. I got it on Amazon, but I'm assuming

1827
01:36:59,320 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 2: you can.

1828
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:00,920
Speaker 1: Get it any where you get books.

1829
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 3: Reviews.

1830
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the leaver her be back.

1831
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,599
Speaker 3: How I was like, I don't know you.

1832
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, you fought through, you back and now we

1833
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 2: get to listen.

1834
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 1: We were wrapping up.

1835
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's okay, we were wrapping up anyway. I'm

1836
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 2: blame to recast o'challa movement. I brought that question up

1837
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 2: and then they castled.

1838
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:27,760
Speaker 3: They hated me. They have.

1839
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:29,880
Speaker 1: They took all screen and said, we don't want a

1840
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:30,559
Speaker 1: woman speaking.

1841
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 3: Well, actually, so I'll just briefly talk about that, because

1842
01:37:35,439 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 3: we've been talking for ever. I wrote, actually my first

1843
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 3: article for Mashable. It was about recasting'challa. And it's interesting

1844
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 3: because they reached out and wanted me to write about

1845
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 3: and they were like, yeah, like maybe you could say

1846
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 3: a few words about this, And I said, if I'm

1847
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:52,400
Speaker 3: going to do this, I'm going to do it properly,

1848
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:54,679
Speaker 3: and I'm going to talk to a bunch of different people.

1849
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 3: It's not going to be my opinion. It's going to

1850
01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:01,640
Speaker 3: be from a joists. Like the journalist in me came

1851
01:38:01,680 --> 01:38:05,320
Speaker 3: out like I'm going to give an objective recounting of

1852
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 3: what it is. And I think the most interesting thing

1853
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 3: that came out of that entire experience was that it

1854
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 3: didn't start the way people think it started, and it's

1855
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:19,719
Speaker 3: not ending the way people thought it would end. Okay,

1856
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 3: all right, so yeah, and I again also the apparently

1857
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,000
Speaker 3: the majority of the people who follow the hashtag are

1858
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 3: going to see the movie. There's all these different little

1859
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:37,639
Speaker 3: offshoots now that are some are boycotting, some aren't. Those

1860
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 3: are probably people that are boycotting the women King. Listen

1861
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:44,759
Speaker 3: what I said, and I said this in the article.

1862
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,480
Speaker 3: I don't think Marvel could have concured a better advertising

1863
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 3: strategy for Black Panther, like the amount of people that

1864
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:53,759
Speaker 3: I've been talking about the movie NonStop for the past

1865
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 3: since he passed away. Yeah, because of that hashtag. They

1866
01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:59,800
Speaker 3: couldn't have. And I'm not saying that anybody should be

1867
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 3: out advertising or profiting off of Chadwick Boseman's death. To

1868
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 3: not just quote me, but what I am saying is

1869
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:14,639
Speaker 3: I how it started is not how it's finishing. The

1870
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 3: only reason why I can't say that I support the concept.

1871
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 3: I can't support the hashtag because there's too many people

1872
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 3: who too many missoginists, and too many people who have

1873
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:27,560
Speaker 3: sub tweeted me and called me out my name and

1874
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 3: other people's shows. That actually happened very recently. Somebody who

1875
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 3: did not know that the show that they were on

1876
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:35,479
Speaker 3: was a friend of mine tried that and they were like,

1877
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna need you to stop because I know Garama

1878
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 3: and we're not doing that today.

1879
01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 1: Wow.

1880
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just And that's the funny thing that

1881
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:43,439
Speaker 3: this is one reason. Also I'm kind of not on

1882
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 3: Facebook anymore because I kept being invited to comment book

1883
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 3: groups that were dragging me.

1884
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 4: Wow, Like that don't make no sense.

1885
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 5: I tell people, and I periodically I do a huge

1886
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 5: postal family and friends.

1887
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:59,120
Speaker 4: I am not joining guiney groups. I am not following

1888
01:39:59,160 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 4: Guinnee pages.

1889
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 3: Quit sending them to me, You're so cute the way

1890
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:06,360
Speaker 3: to quin sending that you like, you're.

1891
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 4: Going to get a rejection.

1892
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,759
Speaker 3: I to think with the thing that I know. And again,

1893
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 3: I'm from I'm old enough to remember a lot of

1894
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:16,559
Speaker 3: the nasty things that people say to you online. I'm

1895
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 3: old enough to have had people say it to my face. Yeah,

1896
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:24,360
Speaker 3: and I'm a struke survivor. Right, So whatever, anybody's losing

1897
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 3: their mind, I'm just like, thank you for contributing to

1898
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:27,639
Speaker 3: the algorithm the day you.

1899
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:30,800
Speaker 1: Deserve, right, Yeah, I feel you because like.

1900
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 3: It's just and also the algorithm gives you more of

1901
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:37,800
Speaker 3: what you talk about. You talk, that's what Every two

1902
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:41,479
Speaker 3: hours I'm on like emergency Kittens or something, so then

1903
01:40:41,479 --> 01:40:42,840
Speaker 3: I can just clean up the time.

1904
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I literally just do not like that's the thing.

1905
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:47,600
Speaker 3: Sometimes that's me.

1906
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:48,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm out of.

1907
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:51,400
Speaker 2: The loop because I just don't engage with that type

1908
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:53,719
Speaker 2: of like mass like if.

1909
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:55,439
Speaker 3: I see you just don't care.

1910
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:57,839
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not a community guy.

1911
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 2: But for the most part is just like I don't

1912
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:03,000
Speaker 2: know from the fringes. Sometimes you can just pick up

1913
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:05,920
Speaker 2: vibes of like, uh, this is a certain there's a

1914
01:41:05,960 --> 01:41:07,880
Speaker 2: certain type of person I don't fuck with. That is

1915
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 2: her talking to people. I do like being like this

1916
01:41:12,200 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 2: is what it's like. You know, I don't I don't

1917
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 2: care enough to get involved with y'all. Like, just good

1918
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 2: luck with your with your movement and h if it

1919
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:23,360
Speaker 2: matters that much to you, you know, God bless you.

1920
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of stuff on the internet,

1921
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 2: and I think we've all seen this at this point,

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Speaker 2: trends towards these like gamer gay misogyny, Like like a

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Speaker 2: lot of stuff just kind of goes that way, whether

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Speaker 2: it was intended.

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Speaker 1: To or not.

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Speaker 3: And also they also know that if you yell at

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Speaker 3: a black woman that's got a lot of followers, you

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Speaker 3: get a lot of traction, yeap. And I don't give

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Speaker 3: them that, Like I have dudes to do that all day,

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Speaker 3: and like you know, you go and look, they got

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Speaker 3: seven followers, and they're trying to be like you're you

1932
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Speaker 3: had these seven things wrong in your article out here,

1933
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Speaker 3: you get to write a book, And I'm like, okay.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's also an assumption people have.

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Speaker 2: It's like when you don't see somebody reacting to it

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Speaker 2: all the time, they just think it's not happening. But

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Speaker 2: I think that's also just like prioritization, right, Like what

1938
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Speaker 2: is important to me these trolls and responding to them

1939
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Speaker 2: all day and letting them know how to affect me

1940
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Speaker 2: is not as important to me as you know, emergency

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Speaker 2: kittens or whatever.

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Speaker 4: Right, that's way more important.

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Speaker 3: And also I've had some like real life challenges, you

1944
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Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like I said, there might be

1945
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Speaker 3: days that I'm the only thing I'm actually I go

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Speaker 3: harder in the paint for people that are friends of

1947
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Speaker 3: mine that getting dragged than me. Right and very recently

1948
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Speaker 3: I found like a bunch of people out there like

1949
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Speaker 3: defending me, and I'm like, oh my god, please please,

1950
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Speaker 3: I don't want you losing sleep over these fools.

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Speaker 1: Please, right, Yeah, And I'm like.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate it, but I don't want you getting your

1953
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Speaker 3: account restricted or whatever because you're fighting somebody who just

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Speaker 3: has hated me.

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Speaker 2: Also, like ac, I was saying this yesterday when someone

1956
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Speaker 2: wrote in about the Black Little Marae, and I was like,

1957
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Speaker 2: I don't even be mad, because like we already won, y'all,

1958
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:01,439
Speaker 2: we got it. Like they can't take it from us.

1959
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Speaker 2: The movie coming out, you.

1960
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Speaker 3: Don't know just it's gonna be. We've got wait, we've

1961
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Speaker 3: got a black little Mermaid. We've got a black tinker Bell.

1962
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:12,080
Speaker 3: We got black elves, We've got black fairies. We've got

1963
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Speaker 3: black people in uh, we got black blonde folks. Yeah, Thrones,

1964
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Speaker 3: we got black targarians. We've got my book coming out.

1965
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Speaker 3: We've got women king about to have marvels. We's got

1966
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Speaker 3: all women and black women. Yeah, we've got black track

1967
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Speaker 3: and writers exactly. We've got all of these. Even the

1968
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Speaker 3: next Sherlock Holmes is going to be about his niece

1969
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:37,240
Speaker 3: like we've got If you think that I've.

1970
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Speaker 4: Never seen Sherlock Holmes, I might go watch that.

1971
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Speaker 3: Yes, And I said, listen, listen, there's a there's a

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Speaker 3: chapter in here on courage and relaxation.

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01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 1: It brings yourself down.

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Speaker 3: You need to practice that because this is a marathon,

1975
01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 3: not a race. Right, He's going to be very strong

1976
01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:56,440
Speaker 3: by this time next year. And I need everybody to breathe.

1977
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:58,920
Speaker 3: And when they have those moments where it's like, oh

1978
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:02,559
Speaker 3: my god, everybody on the internet hates black women, you

1979
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:05,599
Speaker 3: need to just go no, they don't. It's the thirty

1980
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Speaker 3: seven that are in this corner seem.

1981
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Speaker 2: To right and guess and they're loud, and again they

1982
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:13,880
Speaker 2: happen to have bullhorns, so that everybody people.

1983
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Speaker 3: In the past week, I've met hundreds of people who've

1984
01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:22,200
Speaker 3: never heard of me, never heard of the book, never

1985
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:26,160
Speaker 3: every day. But you know me, right, But I'm just saying,

1986
01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:29,599
Speaker 3: like quick, and I actually think I did talk about

1987
01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:31,760
Speaker 3: this like quick fighting with the same five people over here,

1988
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Speaker 3: the hundreds over there. I love you come on like that.

1989
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:38,040
Speaker 3: That makes taking our energy back.

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Speaker 5: It's right, right, right, and put that somewhere else, because

1991
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 5: the way that I feel about this, if it don't

1992
01:44:46,240 --> 01:44:49,080
Speaker 5: make money, it don't make sense. Me arguing with you

1993
01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:52,240
Speaker 5: is not putting a motherfucking dollar in my pocket. Me

1994
01:44:52,479 --> 01:44:55,840
Speaker 5: arguing with you is actually taking away my time from

1995
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 5: something else that I could be making more money.

1996
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Speaker 4: You are wasting time.

1997
01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:05,280
Speaker 1: Oh man, preach, well, let's let's help mortgage.

1998
01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:09,960
Speaker 2: Let's hell Coroama Karama, Let's help Karama play mortgage, and Herb.

1999
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Speaker 1: Meals, well, there's.

2000
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Speaker 3: There's one thing I wanted to do before I left,

2001
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:16,920
Speaker 3: and I was so upsepted because the camera wasn't working.

2002
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:20,880
Speaker 3: I to somebody in the audience, I want to give

2003
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:23,360
Speaker 3: one of these ways. It's not, oh, you want to

2004
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:23,840
Speaker 3: play a game?

2005
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:24,320
Speaker 4: How do you?

2006
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you want to give it away?

2007
01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:32,599
Speaker 3: Very very simple. So somebody needs to pick uh okay.

2008
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:35,280
Speaker 3: I I think the easiest way I did this last time,

2009
01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:37,759
Speaker 3: I was like I was having somebody pick a number

2010
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Speaker 3: between one and twenty, and then Rob o' karen, y'all

2011
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Speaker 3: pick a number, but don't say it out loud.

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Speaker 1: It okay.

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01:45:47,160 --> 01:45:52,240
Speaker 3: So in the in the in the thing in the chat,

2014
01:45:52,439 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 3: pick a number between one and twenty and ride whatever

2015
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:03,000
Speaker 3: number that you're thinking of. Whoever's closest to that number

2016
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:04,160
Speaker 3: to choose.

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Speaker 2: I'm not looking at it the screen so that I

2018
01:46:06,880 --> 01:46:09,760
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm not picking a favorite. I'm just letting

2019
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:11,559
Speaker 2: y'all know I'm picking.

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Speaker 3: They're putting numbers in there, puttinger.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what it does.

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Speaker 3: Okay, keep putting those numbers. Putting those numbers. The number

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Speaker 3: of stream. Okay, I think it's done.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I think it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm picking the number thirteen, the unlucky number thirteen.

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Speaker 3: I think we've got a thirteen. Let's see if there's

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Speaker 3: multiple people did thirteen? The first one is one person

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Speaker 3: did thirteen. I see, devil bitch is.

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Speaker 4: The worst person to there.

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Speaker 1: You go, Okay, devil bitch.

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Speaker 2: That could be a nickname for like the grimiest door miller.

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Speaker 3: J Okay, to put the email in the chat, No, no, no,

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01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:52,040
Speaker 3: they're gonna give it to you, okay, and then you're

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Speaker 3: gonna give it to me. So congratulations.

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Speaker 2: Email us the black out tests of Gmail. Put your

2036
01:46:57,360 --> 01:46:59,519
Speaker 2: email in the chat to just so I can verify

2037
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:02,479
Speaker 2: that you because so many people are crafty and they're

2038
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:04,920
Speaker 2: like they will be in the spy part of the

2039
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:07,160
Speaker 2: door Miller Jay, so they might try to mimic you.

2040
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:10,280
Speaker 2: So put your email address in the chat and then I.

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01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:12,400
Speaker 3: Know what, I just realized something. Okay, this is what

2042
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:15,919
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do. Apparently one other person also did thirteen.

2043
01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:18,960
Speaker 3: I think that was think pretty smart. So we'll give

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01:47:19,120 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 3: We'll do two.

2045
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 2: Okay, you get a book. You get a book, okay, because.

2046
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:26,879
Speaker 3: They posted thirteen.

2047
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 1: Yes, it's really hard to do. It's turned into opera.

2048
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 2: Okay, I just feel I feel like I'm giving away

2049
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:33,040
Speaker 2: Oprah's favorite things on it.

2050
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Speaker 5: Okay, Devil Bitch and TPS. Put your emails smart email address. Okay,

2051
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 5: you's smart. Okay, all right, cool, all.

2052
01:47:39,200 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 4: Right, we got you.

2053
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:41,720
Speaker 1: Uh, we got both of y'all.

2054
01:47:41,720 --> 01:47:44,160
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for thank you so much for

2055
01:47:44,200 --> 01:47:49,040
Speaker 3: having me. I am gonna let y'all go. The next

2056
01:47:49,080 --> 01:47:50,560
Speaker 3: The next signing I'm gonna be at is at the

2057
01:47:50,560 --> 01:47:58,280
Speaker 3: Seanberg on Wednesday of this week, and I think I'm

2058
01:47:58,320 --> 01:47:59,840
Speaker 3: definitely gonna be I have a panel at New York

2059
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 3: com and there's gonna be another thing I do here

2060
01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:06,280
Speaker 3: in New York. Pretty soon, so please please support, Please

2061
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:09,720
Speaker 3: buy the book. Please. Once you get it, if you

2062
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:11,640
Speaker 3: like it, please leave a nice comment. If it's not

2063
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:13,760
Speaker 3: a nice comment, don't do that. Please leave a nice

2064
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:17,280
Speaker 3: comment on the place that you bought it from. And

2065
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:20,479
Speaker 3: if you were listening to buy multiple copies, please consider

2066
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:22,479
Speaker 3: buying your second or third, or fourth or fifth copy

2067
01:48:22,720 --> 01:48:25,559
Speaker 3: from a black bookstore or an independent bookstore because they

2068
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:26,559
Speaker 3: could use that love.

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01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:30,720
Speaker 2: Yes, I always still thinking about the people. Thank you

2070
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:35,000
Speaker 2: for being on. This is been so amazing knowledgeable.

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01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:38,479
Speaker 1: I always enjoy talking to you. There's very few people

2072
01:48:38,479 --> 01:48:42,440
Speaker 1: I can nerd out with this hard about don't get mad.

2073
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:47,680
Speaker 2: I feel like they think there's like pockets of the

2074
01:48:47,680 --> 01:48:49,719
Speaker 2: audience that might be mad that are like, I don't

2075
01:48:50,080 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 2: what are they talking about?

2076
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 1: That's another language. But I don't care that I had

2077
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:53,880
Speaker 1: such a good time.

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Speaker 2: Fine, you welcome back anytime, and thank you for coming

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Speaker 2: on with us.

2080
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Speaker 1: Tell everybody where to find you and then we'll be out.

2081
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:06,160
Speaker 3: Okay, you can find me. I'm the blur Girl everywhere

2082
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:12,040
Speaker 3: usually on Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, and I'm also the Blurgirl

2083
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:14,880
Speaker 3: dot com. There's a page also up there about the

2084
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:17,519
Speaker 3: productions of waganda where you can find out where I'm

2085
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:22,479
Speaker 3: going next and what I'm doing. I yeah, just follow

2086
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:24,320
Speaker 3: me and also have a newsletter, so I'm gonna be

2087
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:26,200
Speaker 3: updating that regularly so you know what's going on.

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Speaker 2: But thank you so much, no problem, thank you, and

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Speaker 2: we'll be back at definitely. Tuesday were interviewing Abby crush Feil,

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Speaker 2: comedian the late night show host, and of course Wednesday

2091
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:39,599
Speaker 2: were doing our Game of Thrones recaps. So we'll see

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01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:43,599
Speaker 2: y'all then and probably Monday. But I'm just just throwing

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01:49:43,640 --> 01:49:46,040
Speaker 2: it out there, y'all may not see us tomorrow, all right,

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Speaker 2: until next time, I love you, yeah,