1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: I Get everybody. I'm Dan Horden. This is the Bengals 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Booth podcast, the London Calling addition, as the Bengals travel 3 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: across the Atlantic Ocean to face the La Rams at 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: Wembley Stadium. Coming up, I'll be joined by my broadcast 5 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: partner Dave Lapham to discuss the hot button topics right 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: now for Bengals fans, including the trade deadline, the Cordy 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: Glenn situation, and what if anything, the Bengals can do 8 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: to generate a running game. My locker room conversation this 9 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: week is with punter Kevin Huber, who had one of 10 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: the best games of his eleven year NFL career last week. 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: We'll discuss that and if my recent induction into the 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: UC Athletics Hall of Fame as a broadcaster has ruined 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: it for guys like him who earned their way in 14 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: with great athletic achievement. And in this week's No The 15 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: Faux segment, we'll get the load down on the Rams 16 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: from Gary Klein, who covers the team for the La Times. 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: All of that is straight ahead, but first, here's a 18 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: quick reminder that you can have the latest edition of 19 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: this podcast delivered right to your phone tablet or computer 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: by subscribing on iTunes, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify, or pod Bean. 21 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: It's the greatest thing since sleeper seats on an airplane. 22 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 1: When the Bengals travel to London, many of the players 23 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: will have sleeper seats, the so called bed in the 24 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: sky where they can fully recline and get a good 25 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: night's sleep in order to hit the ground running. When 26 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: the team arrives at six thirty five in the morning 27 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: London time, that's still one thirty five at night back 28 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. The time change makes for a challenging trip, 29 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,639 Speaker 1: but hopefully the players will be rested and ready thanks 30 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: to those sleeper seats. Now let's get to my conversation 31 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: with Dave Lapham, and we start in a familiar place. 32 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: The Bengals struggling running game last week against Jacksonville. Joe 33 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: Mixon had ten carries for two yards and Giovanni Bernard 34 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: had four carries for zero. Surely they can do and 35 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: must do better, But how lap The Bengals are on 36 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: a pace to rush for eight hundred and fifty yards 37 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: this year. The lowest total in team history is ninety 38 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: nine back in nineteen eighty two, and that was a 39 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: strike season, when the Bengals only played nine games, what 40 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: would be the first couple of things you would try 41 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: to get something going in the ground game. It is 42 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: really quandry, a nightmare because let's let's just take the 43 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: last football game Jacksonville. Watching some of that again, and 44 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: the point of attack looks pretty good. Don't block the 45 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: backside linebacker, you know he he's not cut off, crushes 46 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: the play. Later front side's crushed. They have no opportunity 47 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: at the lay and later a tight end misses his block. 48 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's equal opportunity participation. It is the 49 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: damndest thing I've ever seen in terms of they can't 50 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: come up with a clean snap. You know, everybody involved, 51 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: five offensive lineman, if there's tight end involved him, you know, 52 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: wide receivers in the perimeter, every single person. I'd just 53 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: like to see a handful of plays during the course 54 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: of a game where every single person that has a 55 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: responsibility fulfills the responsibility. It has to be driving the 56 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: coach is crazy because there are you know, if the 57 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: play starts, you look at it, Oh got a shot, 58 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: Oh no shot. Somebody totally misses, whiffs, goes the wrong way. 59 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: They had people going the wrong way halfway through the season. 60 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: That is inexcusable. The season is almost half over and 61 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: you got guys going the wrong way, whether it be 62 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: a running back, whether it be an offensive lineman, whatever 63 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: the case may be. Can't have it, can't have that 64 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Now you start to think, is the 65 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: focused starting to slip? You know, is that part of 66 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: its starting to go away? You know, the old woe 67 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: is me kind of thing. You just you just can't 68 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: can't have it. But uh, you know again, they're they're 69 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: trying to find their identity, struggling, and honestly, I really 70 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: don't know what it can be, what it is, I 71 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: have no clue myself. I really don't know. And that's 72 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: a that's a scary thing because right now they've rushed 73 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: for three hundred and seventy two yards and they've given 74 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: up thirteen hundred and twenty three. They've been out rushed 75 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: by nine hundred and fifty one yards in seven games. 76 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: That's an average of one hundred and thirty six yards 77 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: a game. They've been out rushed by a football field 78 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: and a quarter plus almost a football field and a half. 79 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: That is nuts. So they're averaging three point nine two 80 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: point nine one am I talking about two point ninety 81 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: carry the opposition five point two minus two point three 82 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: is Nutso basically, when the opponent carries the ball twice, 83 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: they have a first down. When the Bengals carry three times, 84 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: they don't have a first down. You can't win football 85 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: games that way. You just can't do it. I don't 86 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: care if you got Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Bill Walsh, 87 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: you have a staff of Hall of famers, man, you 88 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: just can't. You can't win games that way. Lap The 89 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: news broke Tuesday that the Falcons were trading former Bengals 90 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 1: wide receiver Mohammed Sanu to the Patriots for a second 91 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: round pick. Last week, Jacksonville got two number ones and 92 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: a number four for Jalen Ramsey. The trade deadline is 93 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: coming up next Tuesday. Do you think teams are reaching 94 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 1: out to the Bengals about possible trades. I think they 95 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: probably have made phone calls. That wouldn't shock me at all. 96 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick and Mike Brown have a great relationship. I 97 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: would be stunned if Bill Belichick did not call just 98 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: to see if AJ Green might be available, depending on 99 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,799 Speaker 1: what Mike Brown wanted, but aj and Sneuer same same age, 100 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: and they got a number two from Mohammed Sanu. The 101 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: thing is, Mohammed Sanu hasn't been hurt recently AJ Green. 102 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: So there's the question of you know, it's it's not 103 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: necessarily age. It's like, oh, Willie be available, you know, 104 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: to health concerns. He's also signed for one more year. 105 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 1: That helps, Yeah, definitely helps, definitely helps. So you know, 106 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: look at what they got for Jalen Ramsey. I mean 107 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: a Hall two, number ones and a number four. So 108 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure I don't think, you know, if Bill Belichick 109 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: did talk to Mike Brown, I'm not sure it even 110 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: gets to the point of, you know, what round picks. 111 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: I think Mike probably politely said Bill, appreciate the interest, 112 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: but now we're keeping AJ Green. He's our guy. We're 113 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,559 Speaker 1: going to keep AJ Green. We want him for years 114 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: to come, and that sort of thing. But I'm sure 115 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure teams are called. I'm sure teams are called 116 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: about AJ Green, about Geno Adkins, you know, potentially Carlos Dunlap. 117 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: Carlos Dunlap a couple of weeks to go in the 118 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,559 Speaker 1: locker room made it sound like he knew that people 119 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: were calling, so his agent must have told him. He 120 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: must have found out from teams that they have reached 121 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: out to the Cincinnati Bengals and inquired about Carlos Dunlap 122 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: for him to say that to the media, Oh, it's 123 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: a business. I know, it's a business. I'm sure they've 124 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: called about you know, they probably have called about me. 125 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: So he's heard something and that's not a shock. Um, 126 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: those kind of calls happen all the time. But I 127 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: just don't think, Um, you know, the Bengals will will 128 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: be in the market, and I think if they weren't 129 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: in the market, it might be tough to strike a 130 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: deal because, let's face it, when they give their players 131 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: second and third bites to the Apple, it's significant money. 132 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: And a lot of people here in bengaland think that 133 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 1: the Bengals overvalue their veteran players. They think their guys 134 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: are better than than other people think they are. So 135 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: if that's the case, they probably asking way more than 136 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: other people are willing to offer. And you know, it's 137 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: it's tough to make deals at that point. But that 138 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: Muhammed's a new deal is very interesting. I Mean, Patriots 139 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: needed them and they gave up some value. I think. 140 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: I think that's a good deal for for Atlanta to 141 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 1: get a second round pick. Now it'll basically be a 142 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: third you know, New England second. It's like early three. Um, 143 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: it's going to be so late after they win another 144 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: super Bowl probably, but still that's that's a decent pick 145 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: from Mohammed Sanu. The Bears are three and three. Mitchell 146 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: Trubisky is averaging the fewest passing yards per game of 147 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: any full time quarterback. I think there's any chance the 148 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: Bears reach out about Andy Dalton. They might, Yeah, I 149 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: bet they reach out about you know, a few quarterbacks, 150 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: and they may. They may realize that historically, again, the 151 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: Bengals don't move players, particularly a quarterback, so they may 152 00:08:29,040 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: reach out elsewhere. And there's going to be other quarterbacks 153 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: around the league that probably fall into the same category. 154 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Aaron Rodgers, the performance he put on last 155 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: week is like that's that's basically what you think Aaron 156 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: Rodgers might be able to do any given week. He's 157 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 1: about the only guy in the league. You know, maybe 158 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: maybe one other you know, maybe Mahomes can do that 159 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: kind of thing, but there's there's no more than three 160 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: of them walking the streets, so everybody else kind of 161 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: falls into a category where they need a lot of 162 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: support to put up, you know, significant numbers in the 163 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: league for sure. Lapt the Bengals and seven start has 164 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: the doomsayers talking about the nineteen nineties when things obviously 165 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: did not go well. But I want to go back 166 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 1: to our first five years together in the Booth two 167 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: eleven to two fifteen, when the Bengals went to the 168 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: playoffs every year, and the reason why they did that, 169 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: or probably the biggest reason, was that from two thousand 170 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: and nine to twenty fourteen, they had six straight excellent 171 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: drafts with at least three really good players every year. 172 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: In two twelve, they drafted five really good ones and 173 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:40,719 Speaker 1: signed Vontz Berfect as an undrafted free agent. The two 174 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: fifteen draft was a disaster. CJ. Zama is the only 175 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: guy left. The last five drafts really haven't been home runs. 176 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: Injuries have been a factor. I guess my question is 177 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: what happened? Why did they go from drafting so well 178 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: to not doing nearly as well. Yeah, that's that's a 179 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: great question, and I think I think it's just like 180 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: like anything, if you as an organization let's face it, 181 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: the Bengals theory, and there are other teams in the 182 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: league that do. At Seattle, you can name off a 183 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: bunch of teams. They build through the draft and they're 184 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: gonna they're gonna draft develop pertain. That's their mantra. And 185 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: when you do that, when you live by their draft, 186 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: you die by the draft. And they put their release 187 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: every week. How many players the Bengals of draft that 188 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: are still in the league, and it's like second usually, no, 189 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: no worse than third, but it's usually in the top three. 190 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: So but that's still going back to those drafts where 191 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 1: they had those consecutive you know, put the bat on 192 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: the ball regularly, and some of those guys are still 193 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: in the league. That shows you how good they were 194 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: in selecting in those particular drafts the last few year. 195 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: Talking about I'd like to see how many guys are 196 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: still in the league, you know, I bet the numbers 197 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: are down. And if you're not going to supplement it 198 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: with you know, serious free agency intent or trades or whatever. 199 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: And your philosophy is draft developer tain, you are You're 200 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: you're basically putting all your eggs in that one phase 201 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: of building a roster. And when you have a situation 202 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: like they had we've talked about with Setrica Boy and Fisher, 203 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: set you back. I mean the left that left tackle 204 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: position is again a microcosm of what's what's happened those 205 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: two don't pan out. Um, we saw stetric away with 206 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: the Jaguars and Fishers out of the game. Um. And 207 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: and then trade for Corty Glenn and look what's going 208 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: on with the Corty Glenn fiasco. So that left tackle 209 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: iss got, you know, like a black cloud hanging over it. Uh. 210 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: And then and then you try to address it with 211 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: the eleventh pick in the draft, and Jonah Williams rips 212 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: or a rotator or a labor terraces labor before training 213 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: camp even starts. So man, you're you're you even try 214 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: to trade to solve that. You drafted three different guys 215 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: and Jonah william School still out. I'm not saying Jona 216 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: Williams isn't going to be a great player for a decade, 217 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: but this year they didn't won a football game, and 218 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: he's not responsible for any of it, but they were 219 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: hoping that he'd be at that left tackle position solidifying it. 220 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's you there's a lot of pressure to 221 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: put your bat on the balls at a high, high percentage, 222 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: high high ratio. If that's the way, that's the only 223 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: way that you've decided you're going to try to build 224 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: your franchise. Part of that Cordy Glenn trade was moving 225 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 1: backward in the first round. The Bengals had the number 226 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: twelve pick. They went backward to select a Billy Price. 227 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: And when you look at some of the guys they 228 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: could have had at number twelve, Derwin James was the 229 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: seventeenth pick in that draft. Layton vander ashe was the 230 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: nineteenth pick in the draft. I remember how much the 231 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: Bengals loved him going into that draft. Imagine what either 232 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: of those guys would be doing for the Bengals. D Yeah, 233 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: you can. You can go back historically, you know, um 234 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: on a lot of drafts and say that the what 235 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: ifs and uh, you know, I was just thinking the 236 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: other day when I was watching Lamar Jackson just tooled 237 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: the Seattle Seahawks like he tooled the Bengals. I mean, 238 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: Ozzie Knewsom said, enough, this guy's the first round pick. 239 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: Can't let this guy slide out of the first round. 240 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: He's the first round talent athletically, Ozzie Knewsom said, now, 241 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to be the one. I mean, he went 242 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,319 Speaker 1: all the way to the end of the end of 243 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: the draft in that first round. I bet there's a 244 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: lot of franchises in the NFL right now they're saying, man, 245 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: but the thing that they decided to do is a 246 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: franchise is We're not going to try to fit him 247 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: into something that doesn't work. We are going to say 248 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: what he did at Louisville, we're implementing here and we're 249 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: we're going that way. We're making sure that we set 250 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: him up to succeed, not to fail. And that's just 251 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: a great organizational you know, decision on many levels by 252 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. And you know sometimes when you when 253 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: you start drafting specifically for need and you're trying to say, 254 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: can that guy translate from what he's doing in college 255 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: to what we're doing here with our scheme it's similar, 256 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: but could he translate the better way to go as 257 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: the way Baltimore and others are doing now Arizona's you know, 258 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: take what that guy did so well in college and 259 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: implemented in the National Football league. That's why these young 260 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: quarterbacks are succeeding. Instead of trying to put a square 261 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: peg in a round hole, They've got the same shapes 262 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: and these these young guys are fitting a lot better 263 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: and a lot more quickly. Getting back to Corty Glenn, 264 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 1: is there a way out of this mess? Man? You know, 265 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: if I'm a player in that locker room, that's a 266 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: that's a totally unnecessary distraction. And you know, if everything 267 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: to happen rumored to be happened have happened last week, 268 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: did um my understanding is he when he went out 269 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: to practice, he didn't he didn't really feel like he 270 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: should be going out to practice. But this independent doctor 271 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: in pitts Berg said that you're cleared. So they said 272 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: you got to go out there. And he went out 273 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: there and Jim Turner said, and hit the two men 274 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: Slett He put two hands on and walked away, and 275 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, of course that started a beef. And then 276 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: after practice on Wednesday, he went home, didn't hang around, 277 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: go to the meetings, goes home and basically says, you know, 278 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: you know, to a coach, Taylor just cut me. And 279 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: of course you had just cut me. I'm gonna collect 280 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: my ten eleven million and not have to do anything 281 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: for it. They're not going to do that. Then he 282 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: doesn't come the next day, so he's he's suspended. And 283 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: I wonder if suspended with pay or suspended without pay. 284 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: It's all defined by the collective Bargaining Agreement. But and 285 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: when you have any questions like, oh, just get rid 286 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: of them, well you get just get rid of them. 287 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: I mean there's a salary cap concerned. That's a salary 288 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: cap hit of not seven figures eight figures, eight figure 289 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: hit to your cap. And so now you're trying to 290 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: figure out what the collective bargain agreement, what are the steps? 291 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: If there are five steps, you can't go from one 292 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: to five. You have to go one two throughout. You know, 293 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: can't go one to three. I mean you have to 294 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: take it step by step in this process. So I'm 295 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: not familiar enough with the collector Bargain Agreement to see 296 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: if there are any things you can do to protect 297 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: yourself as an organization or you know, in what Cordy 298 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: Glenn can do on his behalf of the union as 299 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: a player. But right now, the thing's a mess. It 300 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: is just a country hot mess, and I don't know 301 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: how it's gonna I don't know how it's gonna unfold 302 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: and unstore. But if I'm a teammate, and honestly, you know, 303 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: when I watch the interaction between Cordy and his teammates, 304 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: there is none there is none zero. So it's a 305 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: you know, I think they decided the best thing to 306 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: do is suspend them or you know, try to separate 307 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: them from from the locker room, because it's not it's 308 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: not an easy situation, and players are going to sympathize 309 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:50,359 Speaker 1: to some extent because CTE and you know, all concussions 310 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: are different. But Alex Erickson, he has a concussion. A 311 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: few days later, he's catching four balls in the in 312 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: the in the second quarter for ninety three yards and 313 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: he's got you know, eight catches one hundred and thirty 314 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: seven during the course of the game. And I'm not 315 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: saying that his concussion is the same as Quartery Glens. 316 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say that at all. They're all different, 317 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: but I mean, you talk about North and South Pole, 318 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: that's a pretty good example right there. The team is 319 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: off to London as the Bengals take on the defending 320 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: NFC champion rams LA snapped to three game losing streak 321 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: last Sunday, hammering the Falcons thirty seven to ten. Give 322 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: me a scenario for the Bengals pulling off the shocker 323 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: in London. Well, the easiest thing to think of is 324 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: the Rams have to help. The Rams have to self destruct. 325 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: The Rams have to turn the ball over. The Bengals 326 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: went minus four last week and lost a game that 327 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: they had a ten to nine lead going into the 328 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: fourth quarter, and have you know, three interceptions in the 329 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: fourth quarter. They had a fumble I think in the third, 330 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: but three interceptions in the four so you have a 331 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: you have a three turnover quarter. That's the kind of 332 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: thing the Rams are going to have to help with. 333 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: Be at fumble, be an interception, be a you know, 334 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: some sort of misq like that. And the Bengals have 335 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: to play a very clean game in that regard, because 336 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: you know, looking at them right now, at fifteen giveaways, 337 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: thirty first in the league. They're minus nine, that's thirtieth 338 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: in the league. The flip, the script is gonna have 339 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: to flip for the Bengals to compete with the Rams. 340 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: The Rams are gonna have to be the generous ones, 341 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: and the Bengals are gonna have to be the selfish 342 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: ones taking all those those extra possessions. And I think 343 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: that the red zone defense has to stay the way 344 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: it's been playing. I mean that they're doing a really 345 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: good job in the red zone. They find themselves fourth 346 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: in the NFL now red zone touchdown percentage allowed. They 347 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: have two teams the Bengals are played, Arizona and Jacksonville 348 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: both went one touchdown and six opportunities in the red zone. 349 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: They did it twice two touchdowns in twelve red zone possessions. 350 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 1: I mean, you look at it. The Bengals defense has 351 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: been in the red zone twenty seven times, thirtieth in 352 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: the league. They've only a lot of eleven touchdowns, tied 353 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: for eighth in the league. So they have really when 354 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 1: the field's compressed, I don't have to worry about the 355 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: ball going over their head, and the tricks and the 356 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: gadget and the misdirection is less of an issue. Because 357 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: the fields so compressed, they played pretty good. They play 358 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: a lot better defense. The other thing that has to 359 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,959 Speaker 1: continue to happen if the Bengals do turn it over 360 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: on the Bengals fifteen giveaways, the defenses allowed five field 361 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: goals fifteen points. That's unbelievablely good. I mean, that's that 362 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: might be the best in the league. And one of 363 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: the one of the turnovers, it was a pick six, 364 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: so they had nothing to do with any of it. 365 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: So say fourteen of the turnovers, fourteen turnovers they've allowed 366 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: fifteen points. Still pretty pretty damn strong. And if they 367 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: if they continue to you know, play complimentary football that way, 368 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: if the Bengals do have a mistake and they you know, 369 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 1: don't let it turn into a big mistake, then they 370 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: have a chance. They have a chance. Lap The Rams 371 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: are averaging twenty seven points a game, tied for seventh 372 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: in the NFL, so they're not exactly struggling, but it 373 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: is down a little bit from thirty two points last year. 374 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: And on they scored three points in the Super Bowl 375 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: laws to the Patriots. To what extent has the league 376 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: caught up to the Rams offense? I think there's probably 377 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: something to that. Defensive coordinators, you give them, you know, 378 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: an opportunity, they're going to figure out a way to 379 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: defend things. I think the other part of it is 380 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: forty percent of the offensive lines, New Sullivan, their center retired. Uh, 381 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 1: they're left guard left in free agency and they have 382 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: a new guy at the left guard position, Stafford or 383 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: I think it was Stafford, the big left guard left 384 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: in free agency. So uh, you know that's that's a 385 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,959 Speaker 1: that's a factor. You see how new pieces can can 386 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: take take a while. And girly's not the girly of old. 387 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: They say that that knee has had some sort of 388 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: a degeneration, whatever it is. So they're not they're not 389 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: clicking with all the cylinders and the engine that they 390 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: were clicking with when they were. You know, executing is 391 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: such a high level, so I think the execution slips some. 392 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: I think defensive coordinators have caught up some. And uh, 393 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: I think the combination of it is is what you're 394 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: talking about. They win their first three games three and oh, 395 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 1: and then they lose three in a row. So the 396 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 1: model of inconsistency there. But they did win. I mean 397 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay hung fifty five points on them. I can't 398 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: fathom that with Aaron Donald and following those guys, how 399 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: they held. Did Jamis Winston hang fifty five on them? 400 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: That's that's remarkable to me. They scored over forty you know, 401 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: their offense wasn't the problem there. As I'm looking at 402 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: their at their you know, their prior games, that one 403 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: jumped out at me, like what fifty five to forty 404 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: man Seattle thirty to twenty nine. You know, I can 405 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: see that, I guess a little bit. But that defense, 406 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: I mean they gave up eighty five points in two weeks, 407 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: eighty five points to Tampa Bay in Seattle in a 408 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: two week stretch. Crazy in the National Football League. Crazy 409 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: thanks lap. In that shocking fifty five to forty lost 410 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: to Tampa Bay. Jamis Winston threw for three hundred eighty 411 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: five yards and four touchdowns, but perhaps more significantly, the 412 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: Buccaneers defense picked off three Jared Goff passes and recovered 413 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: one of his fumbles. One positive last week in the 414 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: Bengals lost to Jacksonville was the play of the special teams. 415 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: Brandon Wilson had a sixty one yard kickoff return and 416 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: now has enough attempts to qualify as the NFL leader 417 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: in kickoff return average. He's at thirty seven point four 418 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: yards on nine attempts. And punter Kevin Huber was also outstanding, 419 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: consistently pinning the Jags deep in their own territory. I 420 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: spoke to the twenty fourteen pro bowler this week, keV. 421 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: Last Sunday was your one hundred and seventieth NFL game 422 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: including playoffs. You averaged forty eight yards upon forty six 423 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 1: yards net. Jacksonville started drives from the one, the three, 424 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: and the nine. Was game number one, seventy one of 425 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: your all time best personally, Yeah, that was up there. 426 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 1: That was a good game all around. You know, they 427 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: do a lot of Friday things on punt ross, so 428 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: we had a lot of the I did a great 429 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: job of protecting that. They do a lot of work 430 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: they you know, they change games up from week to week. Um, 431 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: you know, then the gunners did a great job getting 432 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: down to the make less plays, Um, keep a boy 433 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: of the end zone. So it was all around, you know, 434 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: good everybody, the entire punt team, you know, on the 435 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: entire special teams inner for that matter. Um, you know, 436 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: it was a big point of Vents just won the game. 437 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: You know in that field position was a big key. 438 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: So um, you know we did a good job executing that. 439 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: Or Visiting with Kevin Huber, this is your eleventh NFL season. 440 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: Has punting changed and have you changed over the course 441 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: of eleven years. Yeah, punting is definitely changed. You know, 442 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,680 Speaker 1: it's uh, I think it's just looked at more and 443 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: more as a weapon and uh the ability to control 444 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: field position, um and really um, you know, eliminate returners 445 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of good returners right now, a 446 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: lot of fast guys, so to uh, you know, I 447 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: think the punt team has been used a lot to 448 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: really rely on them for flipping the field, you know, 449 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: controlling field position. UM. I think a lot more than 450 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: it was really looked at in the past. And I 451 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: think it kind of shows that the quality of punners 452 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: that are coming out now, they're they're getting better and 453 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: better and they can hit the ball further with the control. 454 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: So you know, it's just, you know, something's got to 455 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: keep up with and uh, you know, I think I 456 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: just kind of you know, I've been trying to do 457 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: a good job of just seeing how things are changing 458 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: adapt to it. You're thirty four. Sam Cook of the 459 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: Ravens is thirty seven. Dustin Colquitt of the Chiefs is 460 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: thirty seven. Donnie Jones was punning last year at thirty eight. 461 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: Why are punters lasting longer? UM, I think for that 462 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: very reason I just talked about, is they are you know, 463 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 1: they're seeing what it takes to play and they're doing 464 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: what it takes. I think it's uh, you know, there's 465 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: a lot more you know, lifting weights involved, just to 466 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:37,639 Speaker 1: get stronger to keep up with these young guys that 467 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: are coming in a lot stronger than they having in 468 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: past years, you know. So I think that's one of 469 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: the biggest things, is just strength of these younger guys 470 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: coming out that we gotta do more, you know, to 471 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: keep our jobs so they don't come in and uh, 472 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: you know take take our job. We're visiting with Kevin 473 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: Hubert for seven years, you were the holder on field 474 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: goals and points. After from Mike Nugent, who has resurfaced 475 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: in the NFL with the New England Patriots, have you 476 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: guys been in touch and what was your reaction to 477 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: him getting that opportunity. Yeah, I was happy for him. Um, 478 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: you know, I know Mike, Mike always stays in shape 479 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: and stays ready to go, so it didn't surprise me 480 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: one bit. Um. But yeah, I texted him by if 481 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: I heard it happened to set tone congrats and uh, 482 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, tell me we seen him a couple of weeks, 483 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: maybe maybe be able to come out meeting for Doner. 484 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the rules are, but we'll see. 485 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: Knowing balid Chick, it's probably a no go. Kevin. You 486 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: went to the playoffs in six of your first seven 487 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: seasons with the Bengals, and the team is obviously struggling 488 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: this year. As somebody who grew up here, how difficult 489 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: is this for you? Um, you know, it's just you know, 490 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,239 Speaker 1: you know, being here for amount of years I've been here, 491 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: you know what it takes. You know, the time it takes, 492 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: the effort it takes, the coaches and the players, um, 493 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, and it's just tough to be a part 494 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,959 Speaker 1: of it, just because you know how much efforts being 495 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: put in, and you know, you feel for the guys 496 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: that you know, all the coach that have you know, 497 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: they're they're working their butts off to you know, to 498 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: try to get that first one the season. So you know, 499 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: I think everybody's still everybody's still really dialed, and everybody's 500 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: really you know, wanting to get that first one or 501 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 1: all on the same page. We know we can get there. Um, 502 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: we just gotta put all there for a game. Our 503 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: buddy Dave Lapham was on a Bengals team that started 504 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: a season O and eight, and he says he would 505 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: send his son to take the garbage out to the 506 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: curve because he was just he didn't even want to 507 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: see people at that point. Do you have some of 508 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: the same things going on where maybe you and your 509 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: wife are reluctant to go out to dinner or anything 510 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: because of that. Not really, because luckily people really don't 511 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: recognize me. I'm just your normal six foot one guy 512 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: that you know. I'm no different than the rest of 513 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: the guys at the restaurant, So I don't really had 514 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: that issue. It's good to be the punter. I guess 515 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: this is your second trip to London. What stood out 516 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: about the first, Well, it was a long trip to 517 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: tie it's uh, you know, I think not knowing the 518 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: first time, you know what was involved. It was a 519 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: little bit shocked just to get used to the time 520 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: change and shut a short period of time. Um, I 521 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: think going back to the second time, you're kind of 522 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: used to a nine note to expect, so there's really 523 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: no you know, there's nothing to uh that's gonna catch 524 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: off guards. So I think it'll be a lot of 525 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: easier the second time around. Can you sleep on a plane? 526 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: You have movies downloaded? Do you have a good book 527 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: ready to go? How are you going to deal with that? 528 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to sleep just because the time change. 529 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: You know, if you don't sleep, it's gonna be a 530 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: rough weekend. So I think dooever I can get to sleep, 531 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: and mean, I'll try to week up earlier than night 532 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: to stry. I getting used to it, but um yeah, 533 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: I think just try to get some sleep. If I'm 534 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: if I turned the TV on, I'm not going to bed. 535 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: So all right. Last thing for Kevin Huber. You are 536 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: a deserving member of the University of Cincinnati Athletics Hall 537 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: of Fame. I was incredibly honored to be inducted last weekend. 538 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: But have I cheapened it for guys like you that 539 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 1: really earned their way into that Hall of fame? Oh? 540 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: Absolutely not. You were more deserve than I was. Know 541 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: You've definitely not. You definitely not cheaping it and h yeah, 542 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: congratulations on that. I feel much better now. Congratulations at 543 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: a great game last week last week do it again 544 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: in Webbley Stadium. I appreciate That's Kevin Huber website Pro 545 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: Football Focus has Huber ranked is the eleventh be punter 546 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: in the NFL this year. Now time for this week's 547 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: Know the Faux interview as we do a deep dive 548 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 1: into the Bengals upcoming opponent. After going eleven and five 549 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: and Sean mcvay's first season and thirteen and three with 550 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: a trip to the Super Bowl in his second, the 551 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: Rams have not been as dominant this year. They snapped 552 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: a three game losing streak last Sunday with a thirty 553 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: seven to ten win over Atlanta and bring a four 554 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: and three record into Sunday's game. Gary Klein covers the 555 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 1: Rams for the La Times and joined Dave Lapham and 556 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: me on the Bengals Game Plan Show this week. I 557 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 1: started our conversation by asking him what the rams biggest 558 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: issues have been to date. Well, the main issue, or 559 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: at least the one that got all the attention coming 560 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: into the season, of course, was a condition of Todd 561 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: Gurley's left knee and how that would affect not only 562 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: Gurley but the entire Rams offense. There have also been 563 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: some issues with the offensive line that have slowed down 564 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: a unit that pretty much dominated the NFL over the 565 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: last two seasons, So Gurley's condition and the way Sean 566 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: McVay has limited his touches, the turnover in the offensive line, 567 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: and also some injuries and also some injuries on defense 568 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: have all played a role in the Rams struggling through 569 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: that three game losing streak before finally winning last week. 570 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: So you think Stullivan obviously retires at the center position. 571 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,959 Speaker 1: Stafford goes in free agency, So your center and your 572 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: left guard move on for different reasons. Do you think 573 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: at this point, approaching mid season that the offensive line 574 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: is starting to gel? And part B to that question 575 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: is Andrew we are still playing at a at a 576 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: decently high level or what's his play been like recently? 577 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: The entire offensive line really, I think has struggled with consistency. 578 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: You mentioned the departures of Sullivan and Saffold. They were 579 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: replaced by second year pros who had never started, and 580 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: Brian Allen is playing center. Joe Noboom was playing left 581 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: guard alongside Whitworth, but he suffered a knee injury. So 582 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: in this last game, rookie David Edwards, who only played 583 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: tackle in college, started at guard and did a pretty 584 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: good job. I think we'll have to see We're almost 585 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: through the halfway point of the season, and you have 586 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: to remember the Rams over the last two seasons were 587 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: maybe the only NFL team that started the same five 588 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: guys in every single game, and that was over the 589 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: two seasons. So they've missed that, they've missed Staffold. In 590 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: regard to Whitworth, he's still I think, you know, obviously 591 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: going strong. Playing at his age, but playing against with Art, 592 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: not against, but with some younger teammates I think has 593 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: put maybe some added pressure on him. And he's still 594 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: performing at a high level, although I think it's fair 595 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: to say that he has not been quite as dominant 596 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: as he was earlier in his career. Garry Klein from 597 00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: the La Times is our guest, Can you explain how 598 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay scored fifty five points the Rams? Gary? Really? 599 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: You know what they Tampa Bay came into that game, 600 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: and Jamis Winston played like the number one pick. I think, 601 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: you know, people envisioned people in Tampa probably hoped for 602 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: when they took him. He was He played phenomenally, really 603 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: did a great job. Mike Evans was terrific, and the 604 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: Rams had some defensive breakdown and Shaquille Barrett just went 605 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: crazy and really terrorized that Rams offensive line on both 606 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: ends of it. So Tampa Bay obviously played its best 607 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: game of the season. The Rams talked about that not 608 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: being a trap game is if you will, but it 609 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: really did sneak up on them and they happened to 610 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: run into Jamis Winston on a bad day for the Rams. 611 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: Eighteen sacks for the Rams by six different players. Usually 612 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: eighteen sacks there's like eleven guys. They're blitz in corners, 613 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: they're blitz and safeties. Matthews has six and real quick 614 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: is injuries. He is he Matthews. Clay Matthews will be 615 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: out at least I would think too. It will be 616 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: out this game for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if 617 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: he also is out against the Steelers after the Rams 618 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: come back from the buy. So they miss him, they 619 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: missed his leadership, They missed those six sacks that would 620 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: have probably grown had he remained healthy. But I think 621 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: the addition and I'm sure we'll get this, the addition 622 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: of Jalen Ramsey on the back end kind of open 623 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: things up for that rush and we saw what happened 624 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: just past week against the Falcon Dante Fowler had three sacks. 625 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald a traditionally, even though he finishes with so 626 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: many sacks at the end of each year, he's not 627 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: a super fast starter. He's starting to heat up. So 628 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: I think that rams pass rush again. With the addition 629 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: of Ramsey, we're going to see a lot more action. 630 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: I think a lot more pressure. Yeah, I think, you know, 631 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: it was fifteen sacks out of three guys, with Matthew six. 632 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: It's still you know, you don't take those sacks away, 633 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: although he won't be adding to it. Fowler has five 634 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: after the three last week and a forced flumble. Donald 635 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: has four. He had a sack and a forced flumble. 636 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: I believe as well. So I mean with Ramsey, as 637 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: everybody knows, I mean coverage pressure. It's like the hand 638 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: fitting the gloves, you know, It's like one feeds off 639 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: the other. So with Ramsey tightened up coverage, there's going 640 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: to be more pressure possibilities. And with the pressure possibilities increasing, 641 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: Ramsey's gonna eat two with big play potential that that trade. 642 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: How big was that trade? How excited was the locker 643 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: room about getting Jalen Ramsey. I think players you know 644 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: who knew him, and there are a few in that 645 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: locker room. Blake Bortle's obviously played quarterback for the Jaguars. 646 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: Dante Fowler was there before he joined the Rams in 647 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: a trade deadline deal before last season, so they knew 648 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: what they were getting and I think with the trade 649 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: of Marcus Peters and with a keep to leeb On 650 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: injured reserve, it was a well needed shot for that defense. Now, 651 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: the Rams gave up a lot with two number one 652 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: picks and a fourth round pick, but they are confident 653 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 1: that they're going to be able to sign Ramsey for 654 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: the long term. And I think the way they look 655 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: at it is there are not that many true lockdown 656 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: cornerbacks in the NFL, and if you have the opportunity 657 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: to get one, not only for the short term, but 658 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: possibly for the long term, you've got to do that. 659 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: And I think he made an immediate impact against the Falcons, 660 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: not only with his coverage of Julio Jones and the 661 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: jawing back and forth, but also the forced fumble. I 662 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: think more than anything, that showed the Rams that they 663 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: have added a playmaker to a defense that was in 664 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: need of one. A few more questions for Gary Klein, 665 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: who covers the Rams for the LA Times. What was 666 00:34:55,640 --> 00:35:01,479 Speaker 1: the reaction in LA when the Bengals hired Zach Taylor. Well, 667 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: I think on some level it was not surprising, just 668 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: given that the Packers had hired Matt Lafleur. It was 669 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: obvious that NFL teams are or were enamored with see 670 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: Nickvey effect. Everyone was looking for the next Sean McVey. 671 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: So I don't think it came as a real surprise 672 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,200 Speaker 1: to people in LA. I think that they looked at 673 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: it as like, yeah, he's probably the next logical successor 674 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: if this, if that what happened with Lafleur continues. So 675 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: obviously the Bengals with Taylor have not gotten off to 676 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: a great start. But I know historical league, this isn't 677 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: the first time, right, It's I think it's the seventh 678 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 1: time this has happened, if I'm not mistaken from reading 679 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,320 Speaker 1: some of the stuff coming out of Cincinnati. But I 680 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,839 Speaker 1: think that the people who are in Los Angeles who 681 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 1: know Zach Taylor, I think he's probably going to try 682 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 1: and follow a similar kind of path that McVey laid out, 683 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,120 Speaker 1: and they seem to be rude for him and confidence 684 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: that he'll he'll have some success once he gets that 685 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,360 Speaker 1: culture kind of fully implemented. What do you think that 686 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,279 Speaker 1: the Sean McVay, I mean, it's been incredible the Sean 687 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,280 Speaker 1: McVay aura about him. What as as a media member, 688 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: when you deal with Sean MCVAYH, what is the most 689 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: impressive thing and what do you think that a guy 690 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: like Zach Taylor could have picked up from a Sean MCVAYH. Well, 691 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 1: it struck me in the in the two years that 692 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: I got to know Zach very similar to Sean in 693 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: terms of communication, kind of oriented and all of us 694 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: who've watched the NFL for a long time, I think 695 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: we've seen a shift in the kinds of personalities of 696 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: coaches that are that are being successful. I mean, there's 697 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,359 Speaker 1: certainly some old school guys like Bill Pelichick that still 698 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,399 Speaker 1: get it done at the highest level, but I think 699 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,359 Speaker 1: some of these younger coaches, especially the ones that are 700 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: geared words, you know, open communication as long as well 701 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: as football smarts. In a league that seems to be 702 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: getting younger and younger and younger in terms of the 703 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: turnover and players, I think those these guys can be successful, 704 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,880 Speaker 1: or at least Sean McVay proved that with a you know, 705 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: a very very good football mind and those communication skills 706 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: that he can win. And so I'm guessing the Bengals 707 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: were looking for similar kinds of traits when they or 708 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: they saw those when they spoke and interviewed to Zach Taylor. 709 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: I'm the Packers, I'm sure saw the same thing with 710 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur, And so we'll see. It's funny you mentioned 711 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: that because the story I'm writing for tomorrow or at 712 00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: least my notebook, kind of deals with the fact that 713 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 1: the results are mixed so far, you know, with la 714 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: Fleur six and one and Zach at oh and seven. 715 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: We'll see how this plays out, not only over the 716 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: end of this season, but it seasons to come common 717 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,439 Speaker 1: denominator for Sean McVay and now Lafloor are in Green Bay, 718 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: experienced defensive coordinator, been around the league. Both had been 719 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,479 Speaker 1: prior head coaches as defensive coordinators, you know, supporting those 720 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,040 Speaker 1: young coaches. Wade Phillips, what is he meant to Sean McVay, 721 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 1: And obviously, you know up in Green Bay they followed 722 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,399 Speaker 1: the same type of pattern, having that experience, maybe more 723 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 1: old school coaching philosophy like you're talking about in Wade 724 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: Phillips and what they did up in Green Bay as well. 725 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: What is Wade Phillips meant to Sean mcvay's success. I 726 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: think he shares a very big role in it. I 727 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 1: think one of the reasons, though, is that Wade Phillips 728 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: seems pretty open minded to new thinking. I mean, obviously 729 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 1: he's got his systems, he's got his way of doing things, 730 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,520 Speaker 1: but it has struck me from the beginning that he 731 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,399 Speaker 1: welcomes the way that McVey operates. And you know, his son, 732 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: West Phillips coached with mcveay in Washington, so he knew 733 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: about him. He knew about that. But I don't think 734 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,200 Speaker 1: you can underestimate the fact, as you point out, that 735 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,320 Speaker 1: McVay came in with a very experienced defensive coordinator and 736 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,280 Speaker 1: a very experienced and talented special teams guy in John Fossil. 737 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: So the only thing that McVey the only thing, I 738 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: don't want to say the only thing, because the head 739 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: coach obviously has innumerable responsibilities. But McVeigh could concentrate on 740 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 1: what he knew best, which was the offense, and what 741 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: he does best, which is communicate with people, not only 742 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: his staff, but his players, and he got the players 743 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: to respond, the coaches respond, and that's why as a 744 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 1: writer it was so interesting to cover this last month 745 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: because this is the first time that they were really 746 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: going through some adversity with those three losses, and you 747 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: could tell there was a sigh of relief when they 748 00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: beat the Falcons because they think they've kind of got 749 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: through that. We'll see if they can continue it through 750 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,279 Speaker 1: the rest of the season, but that was something new 751 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: for Sean McVeigh and his young coaching career. I thanks 752 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,359 Speaker 1: to Gary Klein, and here's a quick reminder that if 753 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: you are making the trip to London or live in 754 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: the UK, we will be broadcasting the Bengals pep Rally 755 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: Show from the Admiralt, the Bengals official Bar, on Friday 756 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: from five to eight London time. The show will then 757 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: air in Cincinnati in its normal three to six time slot. 758 00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: Our guests will include the great Ken Anderson. So if 759 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 1: you are in London for the game, we hope to 760 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 1: see you on Friday at the Admiralty. It should be 761 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: a fun night. That's going to do it for this 762 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: edition of the podcast. If you haven't done so already, 763 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: don't forget to subscribe and if you have time, give 764 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: it a rating or share a comment. Five star ratings 765 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,280 Speaker 1: help more Bengals fans find this podcast. I'm Dan Horde 766 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: and thank you for listening to The Bengals Booth podcast