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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome into another edition of Crush City Territory. I'm Chandler Rome,

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Speaker 2: joined by Tyler Stafford and a very special guest, the

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Speaker 2: new Director of Hitting an offensive coordinator for the Houston Astros,

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Speaker 2: Dan Hennigan. Dan, how did it feel to be introduced

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Speaker 2: with that title, maybe for the first time since you

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Speaker 2: got the job a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: It's an interesting title, but I was excited. I'm excited

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Speaker 3: to be back with the Astros and get an opportunity

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Speaker 3: to keep things moving in the right direction, hopefully.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people this may be their

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Speaker 2: first time, you know, seeing your face, hearing your voice.

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Speaker 2: So I've got a lot of stuff I want to

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Speaker 2: get to know. I'm sure Tyler does as well. But

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Speaker 2: I think first what would be prudent is to maybe

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Speaker 2: give people a little bit of introduction, maybe who you are,

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Speaker 2: how you got here, you know, just if you could

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Speaker 2: maybe give people a little bit of background just on

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Speaker 2: your journey to this point. You went to a school,

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Speaker 2: a college, and this is not foreign to the Astros.

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Speaker 2: You went to a college that I quite frankly have

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Speaker 2: never heard of, called Franklin Pierce University, where you were

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Speaker 2: a very good baseball player and got to got to

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Speaker 2: the independent league for a little bit, got a little

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Speaker 2: bit of minor league experiences. Give give the viewers and

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Speaker 2: the listeners maybe a little bit of your journey and

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Speaker 2: how you got to where you're at right now.

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Speaker 4: Okay, very good is debatable.

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Speaker 3: I was Okay, we played on a turf field and

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Speaker 3: I just smacked balls through the four hole.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I played college baseball. I guess I was.

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Speaker 3: I was the weird good enough to continue playing, but

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Speaker 3: not good enough to get drafted or signed. So I

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Speaker 3: went in. I was the youngest player in the Atlantic League.

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Speaker 3: I was the first person born in the nineties in

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Speaker 3: the Atlantic League. UH. And then the Dodgers gave me

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Speaker 3: an opportunity, and in the first inning, you can find

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Speaker 3: this somewhere. In the first inning, I made a diving

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Speaker 3: play up the middle at short spun through the first

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Speaker 3: the horn, and I like couldn't pull my arm back,

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Speaker 3: my labor room. So I played one game for the

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Speaker 3: Dodgers in a UH, sat in a sling for a

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Speaker 3: while and started going down this hitting rabbit hole and

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Speaker 3: trying to figure out why I sucked so bad?

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Speaker 5: Well, can you can you reverse diagnosed? Now? Looking back?

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Speaker 5: What what could you have done better?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Completely disconnected. It was all hands.

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Speaker 3: It was it was like the Charlie Lal chop at

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Speaker 3: it and I'm five foot nothing, So it was. It

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Speaker 3: was a tough combo of all hands, nobody and and

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Speaker 4: It's a tough combo just slapping.

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Speaker 2: So I'm wondering like, as you're playing, as you're you're

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Speaker 2: playing in college, you're playing an indie ball and then

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Speaker 2: you get, uh, is coaching on your mind? Are you

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Speaker 2: thinking like I want baseball to be my life? Or

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Speaker 2: is did you have maybe one of those aha moments

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Speaker 2: your career path in your mind?

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Speaker 4: No, it wasn't. Uh.

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Speaker 3: I guess the AHA moment would be while I was

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Speaker 3: in the sling, I was watching one of the coaches.

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Speaker 3: This is right when some of the cell phones started

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Speaker 3: getting slow motion, and one of the coaches was talking

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Speaker 3: that's not it, that's not it, and then he finally

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Speaker 3: how many times have I been just blindly listening to something?

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Speaker 3: And of course these coaches meanwhill and a lot of

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Speaker 3: for different people. But that's where I kind of realized, like,

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Speaker 3: the yes, sir, good coach, yes sir. So that that

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Speaker 3: But uh so that that was like the real, aha,

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Speaker 5: So Chandler probably already knows this. So this is probably

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Speaker 5: a dumb question, but can you can you walk through

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Speaker 5: just on I don't know. Let's pick a random Tuesday

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Speaker 5: game in May that the Astros are playing. What are

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 5: What what does your kind of day look like to

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Speaker 4: You're talking about this for this coming year?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, like what do you are? You know, what

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Speaker 5: do you what do you think it'll look like?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 5: Like, what what does it? What does it mean to

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So I mean during the game, I'm going to be

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Speaker 3: to run like a spread offense.

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Speaker 4: No, I think. So part of my role is the

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Speaker 4: same as.

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Speaker 3: Last year, and that that was like this director of

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Speaker 3: scalable process for how we prepare, how we can integrate

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Speaker 3: you know, we kind of get crushed in in the

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Speaker 3: in the ranking system of our prospects because we've been

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Speaker 3: drafting really late for a while. That's what happens when

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Speaker 3: you win a lot of games, and we've also traded

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Speaker 3: a lot of good prospects to continue winning. So I

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Speaker 3: think we were ranked like twenty eighth from Baseball America.

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Speaker 3: But and I'm I'm proud that in our hit plus

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Speaker 3: a lot of that was because we had like really

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Speaker 3: cool buy in from our minor league coaches, our hitting

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Speaker 4: Jacob Buffalo, who.

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Speaker 3: but last year he was a major help. And then

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Speaker 3: of course our GM and agms, so that part isn't

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Speaker 3: going away. I'm still going to try to move the

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Speaker 3: on more of what you're asking and probably what fans

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Speaker 4: We'll just be the game planning side, and like.

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Speaker 3: So if the question is with the day to day,

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Speaker 3: we're hopefully I'm taking the heavy lifting off of the

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Speaker 3: and working with those guys. My role is to provide options,

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Speaker 3: essentially like clean, actionable game plans based upon what the

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Speaker 3: just about like ambushing or taking all the pitches, but

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Speaker 3: like truly win ninety feet at a time and see

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Speaker 3: if we can start to get back up to I

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Speaker 3: think we were twenty first last year and run scored

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Speaker 3: the top ten. So I mean, ultimately, like the coaches

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Speaker 3: I'm basically gonna collaborate with them and build out here's

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Speaker 3: then also personalized things for each of our hitters. So

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Speaker 3: like little micro advantages, and you're not. We're still gonna

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Speaker 3: get We're still gonna have games where we get shut out,

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Speaker 3: and everybody's gonna say that we need to get fired,

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Speaker 3: and maybe they're right, but we're also gonna have games

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Speaker 4: Stuff like that.

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Speaker 5: So I've got a just general hitting philosophy question for me.

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Speaker 5: Pitching there seems to be more of like an attack approach, right, Like,

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Speaker 5: you've got your pitches. These are the ones that you

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Speaker 5: do well. You spin this ball, well, you throw this

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Speaker 5: plan against a hitter. A hitter to me, whenever you

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Speaker 5: talk about prepping for a pitch cure oftentimes comes off

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Speaker 5: as almost defensive. It's like, well, if you're in this count,

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Speaker 5: how do I protect against what this picture can do?

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Speaker 4: To me? It depends on the count.

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Speaker 3: But no, I would like us to be and I

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Speaker 3: say this often, I would like us to be the predator.

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Speaker 3: We understand the rules, and especially this coming year, we

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Speaker 3: strike zone unless we can continue to chase. So if

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Speaker 3: we know that we can essentially build our trap, we

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Speaker 3: know that this ball has to try to cross it.

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Speaker 3: I would like for us to be in positions where

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Speaker 3: each of us individually can get into their personal best

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Speaker 3: position to attack and be the predator you mentioned.

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Speaker 2: I've off of those two questions, I have like fifteen

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Speaker 2: following out of me too. So you mentioned and this

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Speaker 2: is something that Dana Brown was pretty vocal about at

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Speaker 2: the GM meetings last week. Is about establishing a hierarchy

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Speaker 2: within the hitting staff, just in terms of duties, in

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Speaker 2: terms of and you mentioned you wanted to take some

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Speaker 2: new hitting coaches, Victor Rodriguez and Anthony Iopasse. I guess,

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Speaker 2: first of all, can you I presume you have had

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Speaker 2: many discussions with those two gentlemen since this has been finalized.

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Speaker 2: Just what has it been like your early discussions with them?

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Speaker 2: And I guess how do you envision once spring training

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Speaker 2: the three of you kind of working together to make

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we have spoken. The talks have been the

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Speaker 3: first part of the question was how of the talks

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Speaker 3: they've been great. I think we're still, of course getting

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Speaker 3: so that's one that you're probably seeing a lot. There

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Speaker 3: is hit what's called hit spin, So there is like

441
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Speaker 3: a stat of how does the ball come off the bat,

442
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Speaker 3: and if you can be below sixteen hundred RPMs, you

443
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Speaker 3: are flushing that ball like to the point where it

444
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Speaker 3: actually might not be conducive to traveling for a long time,

445
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Speaker 3: but at least you know, like this guy's really squaring

446
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Speaker 3: the ball up.

447
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Speaker 5: So that would I mean, the spin, I guess that's hey,

448
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Speaker 5: if you're hitting it dead on, it's just going to

449
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Speaker 5: come back out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be.

451
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Speaker 5: Yeah. It does it differentiate between positive and negative like,

452
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Speaker 5: if you get under the ball, is that a different

453
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Speaker 5: spin number than if you get over the ball? Does

454
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Speaker 5: that make sense? Like it's two thousand rpm if you

455
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Speaker 5: get under it, different than two thousand rpm if you

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Speaker 5: over it.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah, So I mean the more over it you are,

458
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Speaker 3: I mean my terrible swing would would I would truly

459
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Speaker 3: roll over. Your wrist would roll over and the barrel

460
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Speaker 3: would hit the top of it. The more common ground

461
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Speaker 3: balls you're now seeing are actually more of like the

462
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Speaker 3: barrel working up the if you just do like a

463
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Speaker 3: two dimensional X and Y axis, like up the y

464
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Speaker 3: axis too much and you're like essentially playing ping pong

465
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Speaker 3: with it. So yeah, the top spin definitely affects you,

466
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Speaker 3: but it can also benefit you.

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Speaker 4: Like Jas mccorn was someone who.

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Speaker 3: For a couple of years straight outperformed a lot of

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Speaker 3: expected metrics because of his odd spin and like it

470
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Speaker 3: it just kind of landed in front of a left

471
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Speaker 3: fielder and like it should have probably gone right to

472
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Speaker 3: the leftielder or stuff like that.

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Speaker 5: So yes, there is there a pitch in baseball that

474
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Speaker 5: creates like a very abnormal you know output from hitters,

475
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Speaker 5: Like you know, does fromber sinker just have like a

476
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Speaker 5: demonstrably higher spin rate off the back. Are there any

477
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Speaker 5: like that off the top of your head that you

478
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Speaker 5: can think of that like, oh, this guy just does

479
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Speaker 5: something different than everybody else.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I see what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you get you get a good bowling ball

482
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Speaker 3: sinker righty on righty or lefting on lefty on lefty,

483
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Speaker 3: like in on their hands, and that's going to come

484
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Speaker 3: off with a.

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Speaker 4: Lot of side spin with a very low exit be low.

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Speaker 3: So I mean that's still effective and the four seamer,

487
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Speaker 3: like you guys had dealt with it for a while

488
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Speaker 3: with Verlander, where yes it gets a lot of swings misses,

489
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Speaker 3: but it can also aid the hitter if he's able

490
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Speaker 3: to get to it and allow it to travel further.

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Speaker 3: I believe like a slider with like a good firm slider,

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Speaker 3: if that's squared up, that's the one that goes the

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Speaker 3: furthest because it sort of already has for the hitter backspin.

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Speaker 5: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned something earlier about you know, the ranking the

496
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Speaker 2: outside rankings of you know, the astros farm system of

497
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Speaker 2: you know, and part of that is you've traded away

498
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Speaker 2: you mentioned you traded guess, have traded away prospects you

499
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Speaker 2: picked low in the draft. You didn't have draft picks

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Speaker 2: for a couple of years for some reason. I guess

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering where you feel like since you got since

502
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Speaker 2: you got into the system a couple of years ago

503
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Speaker 2: and you started implementing some of this stuff, where do

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Speaker 2: you think you guys have made the biggest strides in

505
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Speaker 2: terms of your hitting development And where do you think

506
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Speaker 2: you guys still have you know, room to even grow

507
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Speaker 2: and get even better.

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Speaker 3: I mean, at the risk of repeating myself a little

509
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Speaker 3: bit here, like the hitting development, it truly has been

510
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Speaker 3: the multi departmental integration, which from the experience that I

511
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: was around, it wasn't there yet. Everybody was very invested

512
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Speaker 3: in doing everything possible and coming up with unbelievable strategies

513
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Speaker 3: for improvement, but they weren't really like cohesive we built.

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Speaker 4: You know.

515
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Speaker 3: I feel confident in what we were able to accomplish

516
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 3: last year because of the fact that we had so

517
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Speaker 3: many different good minds from different categories coming together. So

518
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Speaker 3: how can we continue that is to make the integration

519
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Speaker 3: even more impressive.

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Speaker 4: We have some things that we're doing with.

521
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Speaker 3: R and D that I think can allow us to

522
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Speaker 3: make even quicker decisions on how we want to improve

523
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Speaker 3: players and have a really good sense of exactly what

524
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Speaker 3: that adjustment can do for the player. The other thing

525
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Speaker 3: that I would and this is without you know, having

526
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Speaker 3: any understanding of what the scouting and amateur look like

527
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Speaker 3: before I got there. But Campendino and his group has

528
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Speaker 3: has been uh ego lists in terms of they have

529
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Speaker 3: their things that they believe in, but they're also very

530
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Speaker 3: willing to hear what we're trying to do with players

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Speaker 3: and really create like this true handoff system of like

532
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Speaker 3: these are scouts that are working their butts off for

533
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Speaker 3: months at a time, leaving their family, traveling around the

534
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Speaker 3: country trying to find these players, they find ones that

535
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Speaker 3: they're convicted in and they're essentially like handing their babies.

536
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Speaker 4: Off to us. And a lot of times it was sort.

537
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Speaker 3: Of this process of like nobody on the PD side

538
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Speaker 3: maybe understood exactly why that scout liked this player so

539
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Speaker 3: much and what what they foresaw that player becoming later

540
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Speaker 3: down the road, and they maybe changed it because they

541
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Speaker 3: saw something different and maybe both of them are technically right,

542
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Speaker 3: But now we have we're kind of like pulling on

543
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Speaker 3: two ends where now we've we have a really good

544
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Speaker 3: setup and I'm very excited about the latest draft, and

545
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Speaker 3: I think it's going to continue to be like a

546
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Speaker 3: true pipeline, which is a hard thing to get with.

547
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Speaker 3: People work a very long time to become a scouting

548
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Speaker 3: director that it's a big honor. And so when you

549
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Speaker 3: get one that's willing to each that point and say, okay,

550
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Speaker 3: show me what you got and how can I be

551
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: even better? I think that's really special. And so shout

552
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Speaker 3: out to Campendino and his entire group. They have done

553
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 3: an awesome job of leaning into some of the some

554
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Speaker 3: of our pillars on the PDS side and some of

555
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Speaker 3: the things that we have seen work working with R

556
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: and D to see what matters and what doesn't and

557
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: continuously being willing to say, like, what, we gotta throw

558
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Speaker 3: that piece out, Like I know, we did that for

559
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 3: three years, but oops, instead of like just like staying

560
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: strong and being like no, like this is gonna work

561
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Speaker 3: when they find data that maybe something doesn't.

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Speaker 5: All right, and I've got I'll go ahead.

563
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and now I guess I'm now that you get

564
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 2: to lend your expertise to the major league side and

565
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 2: the major league lineup understanding that the off season is early.

566
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Speaker 2: It's early in the off season and we can't even

567
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Speaker 2: pencil in yet definitively what kind of personnel you will

568
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Speaker 2: have when you get to wes Palm, just given what

569
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: could happen with trades and signings and things of that nature.

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm.

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Speaker 2: Wondering, is there one thing in your maybe in your

572
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Speaker 2: discussions with with Victor and Anthony, that that you guys

573
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Speaker 2: either want the offense to improve upon, or is there

574
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Speaker 2: one thing that you want this lineup to be known

575
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Speaker 2: for that maybe has has gone away in the past

576
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Speaker 2: couple of years.

577
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Speaker 3: That's a cool question, all right, I really like the

578
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Speaker 3: second part. I liked it so much, or I forgot

579
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Speaker 3: the first part.

580
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Speaker 1: Say the first part, answer the second part.

581
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Speaker 4: So it was what do you you guys want to

582
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Speaker 4: be known for? And what do you guys I.

583
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Speaker 2: Guess maybe where do you see where do you see

584
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Speaker 2: where do you see room for improvement? And and then

585
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Speaker 2: maybe what in your conversations with Victor and Anthony, maybe

586
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Speaker 2: what do you guys want to be known for or

587
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Speaker 2: known as as an offense with you with you three guys,

588
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: maybe running it.

589
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: Right?

590
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Speaker 4: Okay, I would like there to be.

591
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: True conviction and purpose in every bet and certain games

592
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Speaker 3: that may be being aggressive. That's not going to be

593
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Speaker 3: super often, but that may be the case. In the

594
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: Blue Jays just showed that you can be extremely aggressive

595
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 3: and ambush things. And when a lot of playoff games,

596
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Speaker 3: the Rangers did it in twenty three, they jumped on

597
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Speaker 3: teams they just ambushed. However, there's also teams like the

598
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Speaker 3: Dodgers that just wear you down. I guess what I

599
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Speaker 3: would like to be known for is what I would

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Speaker 3: like our team to be known for, is that every

601
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Speaker 3: single game you are versatile enough.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to use a basketball analogy.

603
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 3: I want like five guys that can play the four

604
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 3: and the point.

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Speaker 4: Like I want to be able to be versatile enough where.

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Speaker 3: Our three hitter can handle a certain pitch in the

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Speaker 3: O count, but is also willing to take multiple strikes

608
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 3: if it's not in a certain part of the zone,

609
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Speaker 3: get to that three to two count and still feel

610
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: convicted that they can win that at bat and move

611
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: the chain. And for us to be willing and able

612
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: to dramatically alter our identity game to game if it

613
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 3: gives us an advantage against that specific starter and that

614
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: specific group of relief pitchers we think we're going to face.

615
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Speaker 3: So I guess I would like to be known for

616
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Speaker 3: the fact that teams can't really do one thing against us.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean when you can build

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Speaker 5: a lineup out of you know, like you said, just

619
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Speaker 5: making each pitch for the opposing team difficult too. You

620
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Speaker 5: know what you saw that at times last year with

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Speaker 5: the Astros. You know, obviously we all know the idea

622
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Speaker 5: of like the length of the lineup, right, you know,

623
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Speaker 5: if you've got seven eight pretty good hitters throughout that

624
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 5: can just weigh down a team, you know, throughout a game,

625
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Speaker 5: and so that that's certainly gonna be important. I had

626
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Speaker 5: a did you have any follow up channel? Because I've

627
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Speaker 5: got a hypothetical question I want to ask throw the

628
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Speaker 5: hypothetical at him. Okay, all right, so you can be

629
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Speaker 5: thinking of your pillars. I'm gonna just make some up

630
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 5: for me. But I'm gonna give you a hypothetical of

631
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Speaker 5: three different players. We're gonna assume that they're average at

632
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 5: everything else, everything else is equal, but they do one

633
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 5: thing really well. The first one has like elite bat speed,

634
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 5: second guy has elite bat to ball skills. You can

635
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 5: just make contact with anything everywhere. The third guy has

636
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 5: elite plate discipline, just will not chase outside, can recognize

637
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 5: where which is are gonna be What what of those

638
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 5: three hitters do you think would be the best vetaball?

639
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 5: So if you just make contact, if you know you're

640
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Speaker 5: you're gonna be fine.

641
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Speaker 3: I have we have historical data that we can take

642
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: someone that can make a lot of contact and generate

643
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Speaker 3: bat speed.

644
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 5: Okay, that was I was going to ask that.

645
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 3: And then beyond that, and then what we are in

646
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: no way like the cutting edge of that, Like every team,

647
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: not every team, but but a good chunk of the

648
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 3: league can also do that.

649
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Speaker 4: This latest year we had.

650
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Speaker 3: We had in many ways proven at least amongst a

651
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: group of players that had outrageously bad chase rates in

652
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: the minor leagues, we were able to move the needle

653
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Speaker 3: in in a way that we were not able to

654
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Speaker 3: do previously. So I'm very happy with that. I do

655
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 3: think some of the stuff we referred to it as

656
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 3: windows and weapons, but like are the strategy we implemented

657
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Speaker 3: and sort of the customize the customization of how we

658
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: were able to do that even for the minor league guys,

659
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Speaker 3: even some of them in the like low way and

660
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Speaker 3: fail being able like we by the end of that year,

661
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 3: we saw the most pitches in that league. We were,

662
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 3: you know, near the very top and runs per game

663
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: and walk rate in zcon or how often you make

664
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 3: contact on a pitch you decide a swing at that's

665
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 3: in the strike zone. And this was a group that

666
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 3: everything in our our system would tell you like, they're

667
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 3: going to chase way too much, They're going to swing

668
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 3: way too much.

669
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 4: And in one year we were able to change that.

670
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 3: So we have the data that we can we can

671
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: mess with an approach, we can alter that we can

672
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: absolutely even just without a batspeed program, even just like

673
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 3: cleaner kinematic sequencing or I already gave some love. But

674
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 3: our our SNC coordinator, Zach r if we give him

675
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 3: the idea of this as a player, he can come

676
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: up with a plan.

677
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 4: And make it better.

678
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: Those guys are going to move faster and swing harder.

679
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 3: The vision, the depth, perception, the understanding of like where

680
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 3: my bat is in space. That's a much harder thing

681
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 3: to teach someone. And the hardest thing about hitting as

682
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: opposed to pitching, I would say, is you apply something

683
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: to the ball It's like an input and an output.

684
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 3: You you did that thing, the ball now does this thing,

685
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: and physics runs its course. On the hitting side, you

686
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 3: could have the perfect kinematic sequence and still missed by

687
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 3: eighteen inches. So if you have someone that just inherently

688
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 3: does not have a good feel of how they can

689
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 3: make a bat touch the ball, that's hard. But I

690
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: feel pretty confident that if we can get the bat

691
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 3: to touch the ball, we have enough data and I

692
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: think I would like to say I have enough creativity

693
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 3: that we can create different angles to make the ricochet

694
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 3: is and the geometry game of baseball play out better

695
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: for us.

696
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 4: I think that's the hardest part.

697
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: Like you just described a little bit of the Astors

698
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: current major league lineup, Like there are guys that swing

699
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 2: a lot, but there are there are guys that swing

700
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 2: a lot in that chase.

701
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: But there are guys that do.

702
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 2: That because they have such good bats to ball skills,

703
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 2: because they have such good way to put the balloon

704
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: the ball, Like, is what you just.

705
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: Said, is that transferable?

706
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 2: Like you said it worked in Fayetteville with a lineup

707
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 2: of guys that on paper it would seem that they

708
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: would not do. Like, is that able to be translated

709
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: to guys on a major league team that have been

710
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: doing this for a very very long time, and they're

711
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: not as young as those Fayetteville guys that can maybe

712
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: be molded a little bit.

713
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: I can say with certainty on the on the private

714
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 3: side of things with personalized players, absolutely we've already seen it.

715
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: As far as a team, I have to do.

716
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 4: A good job. I was not a good hitter, you know.

717
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 4: So if if I.

718
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,919
Speaker 3: Don't do a good job explaining to players that are

719
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 3: already significantly better than me that these are things that

720
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 3: can also make you better, and here's the plan that

721
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 3: gives you personally the best opportunity, then they probably won't

722
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: do it, and they probably will continue to do what

723
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: they feel most comfortable with and how they feel when

724
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 3: fight or flight kicks in, what is going to give

725
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 3: them the best chance. But if we do a good

726
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: job of educating, and Vic and Bosie are outstanding at communicating,

727
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 3: if the three of us can get through and really show, like,

728
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: you know, Kobe was constantly trying to get better year

729
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: after year, and I think that's where you get the

730
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 3: real killer instinct, and I think we have that in

731
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 3: our players here. So it's up to us to make

732
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: sure that we make them feel comfortable and making some

733
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 3: of those adjustments and being confident that this is a benefit.

734
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: Philly guy bringing up Kobe, All.

735
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 5: Right, do you think that you.

736
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 4: Would have said AI, but he didn't practice? But AI?

737
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 5: Do you think that you have a good sense? I mean,

738
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 5: obviously and things that can do this? But I don't

739
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 5: know just hearing you talk about how you can approve

740
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 5: so many other things you can improve approach, you can

741
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 5: improve even bat speed, those types of things. But there's

742
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 5: something innate about, you know, just the vision and things

743
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 5: like that. Can you tell looking at a spreadsheet if

744
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 5: someone has like the ability to hit or not? I

745
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 5: know that's the silly, but I mean, like if you

746
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 5: haven't seen them hit. Like if you've got a list of,

747
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 5: you know, two hundred minor league free agents and your

748
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 5: task is to find one that you know might turn

749
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 5: into something right like, and you're just looking at that data,

750
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 5: is there something that you look to first to say,

751
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 5: you know, let me sort is it? Like bat speed?

752
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: Is it?

753
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 5: You know, whatever? Like if you're just looking through a

754
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 5: whole bunch of names and you're just trying to figure

755
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 5: out who has potential in here? What would you look

756
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 5: at first?

757
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 4: So to your first question, like, who's not going to

758
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 4: pan out? If I saw very little chase and also

759
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 4: saw very little contact, that's scary. Those those are scary

760
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 4: for me because it's just hard.

761
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: When I was with the twins, like that was sort

762
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 3: of my job, like we were the objective was to

763
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 3: kind of be like, you know, eventually like the Rays

764
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: of the hitting world, where like the Rays do a

765
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: good job identifying this no name and we think if

766
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 3: we acquire him, he can do something for us.

767
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: I think the askers have done an amazing job with that.

768
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 3: Falviu was was doing a really cool job, and and

769
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: and Levine of trying to do that on the hitting side.

770
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: And and so I got to kind of poke around

771
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 3: with some theories and see what we could find. That's

772
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 3: a tough one that you really don't see if they

773
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,240
Speaker 3: aren't chasing and they with a lot like they better

774
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 3: launch balls because that's a that's you very rarely see

775
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 3: that one make it to like double A and still

776
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: pan out.

777
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 4: Uh, what was the other part.

778
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 5: Like if you're okay, so now you say these people

779
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 5: have potential or you know they don't have the crazy,

780
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 5: no chase rates, and they're they're not whiffing or whatever,

781
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 5: Like what measurable are you sorting by quickly to say like, okay,

782
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 5: who's standing out in these or these are the ones

783
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 5: that I think are important.

784
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 3: So on a spreadsheet, I don't know if I could

785
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 3: confidently be like that's the guy. Yeah, spreadsheet and some video,

786
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 3: some side angle, some some center field angle.

787
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 4: I think you can start to make cleaner decisions.

788
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 3: And some of that's based on the biomechanics and the

789
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 3: swing shape, and then also seeing.

790
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 4: Of the categories you mentioned earlier.

791
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: If you if you get good swing decisions and good mechanics,

792
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 3: you can start to do some cool stuff with that.

793
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 3: If you get good, if you get good batspeed, good

794
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: kinematic sequence.

795
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 4: But like the ground ball.

796
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: Rates really higher, the or the the spray charts really bizarre.

797
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 4: I feel pretty good about.

798
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 3: We can manipulate angles and start to make that ball

799
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 3: go places that we think is cooler for us.

800
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 4: So those guys I feel pretty good about. Now.

801
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering what Tyler and I would look like

802
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: on a spreadsheet if you put a if you put

803
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: our skill sets on a spreadsheet, whether we would make

804
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: it or not.

805
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with no. But who definitely no. I'll

806
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: work for I'll work for the league minimum. That's what

807
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

808
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: If all you got to pay me is a league minimum,

809
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: just give me an invite to camp.

810
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: I'll do it.

811
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Yeah, I'll take I would love the league.

812
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 5: How fast if you if you were given the task

813
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 5: of giving me six months to swing a bat as

814
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 5: fast as possible? Going from I haven't played baseball since

815
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 5: high school, barely in high school, how fast do you

816
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 5: think I could swing a bat?

817
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 4: And six we start?

818
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 5: I mean literally thirty three year old dad who has

819
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 5: not played baseball in a while. But if I'm in

820
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 5: good enough shape, if you're if your only focus is

821
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 5: to maximize my bat speed, how fast do you think

822
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 5: I could swing a bat?

823
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 4: I think we can get you to. I feel good

824
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 4: about mid sixties. I feel good.

825
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 5: Oh no chance, that's crazy. You think you think that much.

826
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 4: Of it pretty? But you can get there.

827
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 5: That's I mean. Jose L Twobe swings sixty nine. There's

828
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 5: no way that I'm swinging anywhere near that fast. That's crazy.

829
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 3: He's doing that when he's when he's trying to square

830
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: something up coming very fast at him. If if you're

831
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 3: just okay boring pitches, we can we can go okay, all.

832
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: Right, he's just talking about like you airing it alet Tyler.

833
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, what's.

834
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 5: The fastest that you've seen?

835
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 4: Oh uh.

836
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 3: We had a guy he actually is in playing in

837
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 3: Mexico right now. His name is Narciso Crook. In our building,

838
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what he did in games in our building.

839
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 4: He's gotten up to the high eighties, like eighty eight,

840
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 4: eighty six on certain swings.

841
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 3: Well, it's like he has come in. He's come a

842
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 3: very long way. He got a very quick cup of

843
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: coffee with the Cubs in the big leagues, and actually

844
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 3: I think he did pretty well up there. But that

845
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: was outrageous batspeed. And he's he's still working butt off.

846
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: He comes in in the offseason and we met him

847
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: much later in his career, but that that is some

848
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 3: outrageous batspeed.

849
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 5: For for context for everyone. Last year, do you have

850
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 5: a guess who led the major leagues in average batspeed?

851
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: Dan, I have a guess, Stanton Stanton.

852
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 5: Stanton Stanton averaged eighty point six and he swings like

853
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 5: a maniac, so mid to high eighties is insane. I

854
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 5: mean again, but.

855
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: If you put out two a that date is coming

856
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: from Hawkeye.

857
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 4: If you put out two on a blast, his stuff

858
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 4: might say seventy six. Oh really Yeah, So.

859
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 5: There's that much of a difference. Now, in measuring, that's

860
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 5: not like universal across teams or minor leagues or anything

861
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 5: like that.

862
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: In theory, it's universal, but you you definitely get different readings.

863
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 3: The I m u's the Yeah, I am an INERTIAW

864
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: measurement unit.

865
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 5: What does that mean?

866
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 4: It's just basically a speedometer. That's how you need Okay.

867
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 5: Oh, it's it's in the knob of the bat.

868
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think okay, which is different than markerless, which

869
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 3: would be Hawkeye.

870
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 5: Oh, this is fun. We could we could do this

871
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 5: for a while.

872
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: We're kind of moving into words I've never heard before,

873
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: so I think that, uh, I think that may be

874
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 2: our Q to wrap it up a little bit. But Dan,

875
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: before we let you go, I am gonna give you

876
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: a plug here you've been saying in our building. In

877
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: our building, you know, Dan is going to be the

878
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 2: hitting coordinator, the the director of hitting, and the offensive

879
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 2: coordinator for the Ashers.

880
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: But he does have.

881
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Speaker 2: Another another side hustle. It's called Brain and Barrel.

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Speaker 1: If you'd like.

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Speaker 2: To get more and learn more about that, there's a

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Speaker 2: great video of Dan talking about hitting and his approach

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Speaker 2: to it Brain and Barrel hitting dot Com if you'd

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Speaker 2: like to check that out. Dan, anything else you want

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Speaker 2: to Dan? Anything else you want to anything else you

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Speaker 2: want to plug about Brain and Beryl and just kind

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Speaker 2: of what you guys do there and why that's up. Well,

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Speaker 2: it's been influential and kind of how you've grown your

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Speaker 2: your your hitting philosophy.

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Speaker 3: No, this is this is for the Astros, and I'm

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Speaker 3: excited to I'm excited to see the Astros get back

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Speaker 3: to where we want to be.

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Speaker 4: But I appreciate thank you for doing That's.

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Speaker 1: Why I waited until forty six minutes in to do it. Dan,

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Speaker 1: This was great, man.

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Speaker 2: I told you we keep you for fifteen or twenty minutes,

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Speaker 2: and I lied, so, but this was excellent conversation. We

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Speaker 2: really really appreciate you given us a couple of minutes

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Speaker 2: and what I know is a very busy time for

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Speaker 2: you trying to trying to get everything together and ready

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Speaker 2: to go for spring training. And we really really appreciate

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Speaker 2: this was a fun This was a fun interview.

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Speaker 4: No, I appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for being welcoming enough throwing me any landmines today.

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Speaker 3: That was nice of you.

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Speaker 2: Never never, never, Now, wait till the season starts. There

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Speaker 2: it is, wait till the season starts. As always, guys.

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Speaker 2: We will be back next week right before Thanksgiving to

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Speaker 2: talk about you know, what the ashers do at the

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Speaker 2: tender non tender deadline, what the what the roster looks

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Speaker 2: like going forward, and some Thanksgiving talk. We'll be back

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Speaker 2: next week, but until then, you can rate and review

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Speaker 2: us on Apple. You can rate and review us on Spotify.

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Speaker 2: You can subscribe to the YouTube channel. See you get

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Speaker 2: notified every time you post. We post a new episode

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Speaker 2: like this only Dan Hennigan. You can follow Tyler at

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Speaker 2: Tyler C. Stafford on X you can follow me at

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Speaker 2: Chandler Underscore Room. Dan, are you on Twitter or x

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Speaker 2: or whatever it's called Now, we're not all good for you.

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Speaker 2: Good call, but keep a lookout for Dan. If you

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Speaker 2: don't like the play calls in the first series of

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Speaker 2: the year.

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Speaker 1: You know who to blame. You can blame the offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: So thanks again, Dan, this was great and we will

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Speaker 2: Talk to you guys soon.

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Speaker 5: Remember in life you can always just swing harder.

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Speaker 4: Five