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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: Does this man never stop lying?

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Speaker 3: Alex Murdog, of course, has changed his story again, this

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Speaker 3: time about the death of Gloria Sadderfield. As you know,

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Speaker 3: Alex Murdog, the heir to a legal dynasty in South Carolina,

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Speaker 3: had millions of dollars at his fingertips, a wife, a family,

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Speaker 3: He had to steal from all of his clients to

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Speaker 3: the tune of millions of dollars as dead bodies pile

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Speaker 3: up around him. Murdog convicted in the double murderers of

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Speaker 3: his wife Maggie and son Paul, but it ain't over yet.

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Speaker 3: There is the housekeeper that helped the family raise the

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Speaker 3: two sons, Paul and Buster, who dies at the foot

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Speaker 3: of his steps. At first, he blamed none other than

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Speaker 3: the dogs that live in the home. But in a

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Speaker 3: new development from inside a prison cells somewhere in South Carolina,

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Speaker 3: the defendant Alex Murdogg, has changed his story. His original

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Speaker 3: story that Miss Satterfield died from injury sustain at a

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Speaker 3: fall at his I guess hunting lodge, his country estate

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Speaker 3: as some people call it. For years he held onto

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Speaker 3: that story that it was the dog's fault that made

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Speaker 3: her fall down the stairs to her death. But now

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Speaker 3: he says he doesn't know how Satterfield fell, that he

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Speaker 3: quote invented the story only because it would give him

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Speaker 3: an avenue to file a wrongful a wrongful death lawsuit

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Speaker 3: for Saderfield's children against him, so he, as their lawyer,

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Speaker 3: can get.

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Speaker 2: That money and steal it.

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Speaker 3: So just imagine, even at the beginning, the very beginning,

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Speaker 3: when Satterfield falls to her death down the stairs at

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Speaker 3: Moselle the hunting lodge, he already comes up with a

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Speaker 3: plan to pocket millions of dollars. He now behind Barr

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Speaker 3: says the dog's role in the tragedy was an invention,

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Speaker 3: joining me, high profile lawyer out of Jacksonville who's seen

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Speaker 3: it all not only in the courtroom, but as a

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Speaker 3: former special agent with the FBI. Dale Carson is with us. Dale,

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Speaker 3: thank you for being with us. What do you make

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Speaker 3: of this newest invention?

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Speaker 4: You know what I love about this power that exudes

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Speaker 4: out of this man before he falls. And so the

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Speaker 4: standard way of creating a settlement, first you have an

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Speaker 4: autopsy with an unattended death, which did not happened. And then,

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Speaker 4: in the standard manner of lawyering, you have depositions, you

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Speaker 4: have requests for admissions or interrogatories, which are questions put

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Speaker 4: to the potential witnesses. But instead of doing any of that,

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Speaker 4: the insurance company just settled. That's power, But it also

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Speaker 4: allows that the witnesses that were there on the scene,

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Speaker 4: which was not Alex Murdox, were never by attorneys for

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Speaker 4: the insurance carrier. So it's rather clever when we think

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Speaker 4: about it. And he's so good at lying. We saw

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Speaker 4: that on the witness stand during the murder trial. He

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Speaker 4: looked so casual and so powerful in his lies that

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Speaker 4: it would be very difficult for someone in a settlement

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Speaker 4: setting to really discern that he's not only not telling

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Speaker 4: the truth, but he's creating a scenario if he had

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Speaker 4: just fallen down the steps. That's one thing, But the

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Speaker 4: fact that the dogs caused it allowed him to get

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Speaker 4: a four point three million dollar settlement in cash that

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Speaker 4: he diverted through some friends and put in his own pocket.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty clever.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know that I would call it clever,

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Speaker 3: maybe nefarious, evil, malevolent. That said, I also find it

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Speaker 3: very probitive or it proves something to me that Alex

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Speaker 3: Marlok only made his u turn, his about face, his

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Speaker 3: believe it was a Nautilus insurance company that based on

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Speaker 3: their claim that they have been defrauded because they paid

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Speaker 3: paid by different insurance company, but because Murdog had no money,

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Speaker 3: his attorneys suggested that Nautilus go after Satterfield's state attorneys.

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Speaker 3: Now they claim Blann Richter claims are seven point five

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Speaker 3: million dollars that they collected from a lawsuit against Murdoch

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Speaker 3: and his firm. So I find it really interesting Dale

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Speaker 3: Carson that it's only when he is threatened with even

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Speaker 3: more money lawsuits that he finally coughs up the truth.

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Speaker 3: But just think about the level of evil this requires.

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Speaker 3: This is a woman, Gloria Satterfield, Miss Satterfield, a mother,

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Speaker 3: errands for them for decades.

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Speaker 4: And in the South, this is the way it progresses

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Speaker 4: because when parents are working, it's oftentimes the caregiver who

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Speaker 3: Okay, see, I don't know how you were. Where did

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Speaker 4: In Jacksonville, Florida?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I don't know what made you in what

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Speaker 3: in the house and clean up, are you kidding?

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Speaker 2: That's what we did as the children.

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Speaker 3: But that said, this is a woman they knew as

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Speaker 3: falls to her death on Murdoch's steps, and he immediately

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Speaker 3: comes up with a plan so he could sue on

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Speaker 3: behalf of Gloria Satterfield's family, basically sue himself and his

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Speaker 3: family and instill the money from the Satterfield children.

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Speaker 2: That's quite a plan, right.

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Speaker 4: Well, it absolutely is, and it requires a lot of forethought,

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Speaker 4: requires a lot of planning to do something like this,

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Speaker 4: and it speaks to his evil nature. I mean, this

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Speaker 4: man was thinking it through all along. And you've got

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Speaker 4: to know that this is partly genetic this is what's

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Speaker 4: been going on in South Carolina in the control of

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Speaker 4: these folks for many generations, and that in himself is frightening.

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Speaker 3: I don't know this genetic I mean, are you trying

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Speaker 3: to say that? What are you trying to say?

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Speaker 2: What I'm they somehow.

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Speaker 3: Related the responsibility because it's just simply in his genes.

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Speaker 4: Not at all. What I'm saying is this is a

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Speaker 4: tradition with that family.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that I agree.

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 3: So now we've got him caught and yet another lie.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how it's going to benefit him at

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Speaker 3: this juncture, because he's already got life behind bars for

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Speaker 3: the murders of his wife and son. But that said,

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Speaker 3: we also have him sending out letters proclaiming his innocence.

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Speaker 3: Now we saw how that worked out on the stand.

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Speaker 3: Nobody believed him because he was caught tripped up in

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Speaker 3: so many lies. So I'm curious about his frame of mind.

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Speaker 3: What is is fueling his desire to make people believe

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Dale?

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Speaker 4: Right, He's a narcissist. He's got an ego that's bigger

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Speaker 4: than all my house, and the result is. It's not

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Speaker 4: his fault. The circumstances caused him to act as he

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Speaker 4: agree with him, well you're just not very bright. And

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Speaker 4: so that's the method. And you know, when we talk

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Speaker 4: got to wonder how much money he stole from individuals

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Speaker 4: who paid him for legal services that didn't get properly

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Speaker 4: handled or didn't get handled at all. So this man

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Speaker 4: was rolling in money, and I've always had a question

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Speaker 4: where did this money go? You can't spend that much

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Speaker 4: money on drugs, so it wouldn't surprise me at all

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Speaker 4: that there's not a very chest of gold somewhere. Maybe

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Speaker 4: not physically, but certainly electronically, because you can put money

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Speaker 4: in other countries, in other places and hide it easily

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Speaker 4: these years, particularly with bitcoin, all you got to do

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Speaker 4: is have the code.

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Speaker 3: Well, what I'm asking you, aside from your seeming fascination

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Speaker 3: with bitcoin, despite today and prior to today, why to Seafield,

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Speaker 3: he needs to prove to other people he did not

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Speaker 3: murder Paul and Maggie, because number one.

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Speaker 2: He did.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's just start with that premise he did murder them,

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Speaker 3: So a jury's already found him guilty. What is driving

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Speaker 2: Why is he doing that?

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Speaker 4: If you look at his history, the family history was

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Speaker 4: and now he's trying to recapture that goodness that he's

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Speaker 4: clearly abandoned and lost during that trial. I mean, he's

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Speaker 4: so the reflections kind of warped. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: Now, according to one friend that he's writing the friend

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Speaker 3: rights quote, he's a broken man. Really, he's kicking back,

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Speaker 3: playing checkers, getting love letters. People are dumping money into

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Speaker 3: his commissary account. Strangers are giving him money, women want

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Speaker 3: to meet him. That does not sound like a quote

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Speaker 2: So why he's not broken, he's.

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Speaker 4: Not broken, and particularly why his wife former wife and

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Speaker 3: Graves we're hearing that he writes that he's trying to

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Speaker 3: not kill Maggie and Paul.

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Speaker 2: So is that where he draws the line.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll steal millions and millions of dollars from my clients.

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Speaker 3: I'll lie to their face, I'll steal their money, I'll

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Speaker 3: use it on drugs. But I did not kill my

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Speaker 4: Well, of course he's just in denial. I mean, it's

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Speaker 4: I mean, we we know that he killed his son

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Speaker 2: You know, it's really get go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Cragg As. That is Nancy. As tragic as that is.

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Speaker 4: This is a narcissist. And we know that people who

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Speaker 4: have strong egos will never just roll over and say, Okay, well,

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Speaker 4: it's really my fault. They believe, and you know this,

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Speaker 4: they believe that because they were allowed to fool somebody,

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Speaker 4: that person's fault for being lured into the situation which

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Speaker 4: he planned and orchestrated where he had all his wife

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Speaker 4: knowing and texting a friend that this seems kind of

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Speaker 4: of being manipulated by this guy who feels right, well,

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Speaker 4: I could manipulate her, so what I did was okay.

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Speaker 4: And we know, as people who care about other people,

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Speaker 4: that that's just wrong.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm thinking of all the angles regarding these letters.

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Speaker 3: They mean a lot if you examine them for any

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Speaker 3: prohibitive value. Number one, it shows that it's still all

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Speaker 3: about him, just as it was, just as.

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Speaker 2: It is, just as it always will be.

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Speaker 3: It's all about how he feels, what he wants to portray.

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Speaker 2: It's not about Paul and Maggie.

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Speaker 3: He's not writing so help me God in Heaven, even

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Speaker 3: though I'm in this jail cell, I'm going to find

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Speaker 4: It's not that that's exactly right, exactly right, show.

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Speaker 3: Who he is yet again, it's not about a never

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Speaker 4: Well exactly it works with all these angers on that

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Speaker 2: Rush back into the middle of the road.

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Speaker 3: Let me just steer us back on to why he's

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Speaker 2: Him money and love letters.

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Speaker 3: He is insisting on his innocence regarding the team murders.

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Speaker 3: Why because it's who he is. It's not about Matthew y'all.

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Speaker 3: It's about him and point two, it's about his appeal.

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Speaker 3: Legal loophole the defense came up with. The appellate court

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Speaker 4: There's no question that that's what they would do. So

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Speaker 4: I would argue that there's no way in hell he

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Speaker 3: I don't care if he was on drugs or not,

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Speaker 2: He did it.

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Speaker 3: They're still dead whether he's on drugs or not. Deal Carson.

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Speaker 4: Those letters are going to people who owe him favors,

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Speaker 4: the depths and penetration of that family's power is uncalculable.

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Speaker 2: He has a raison.

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Speaker 3: You know another thing, if he cared about Paul and Maggie,

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Speaker 3: you know they still don't have gravestones. His father has

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Speaker 4: Right, right. Of course, his economic situation may prohibit it

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Speaker 3: If he wants to write letters, he could write letters

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Speaker 2: What about that ding ding?

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Speaker 4: That's an excellent.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's talk about his life behind bars. You do

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Speaker 3: know that he has been moved to protective custody, right, dew.

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Speaker 4: All, right, I do, yes. What do you think about

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Speaker 4: he's lying about the dogs because the insurance company certainly

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Speaker 4: that system. We know people who've committed suicide, questionably while

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Speaker 3: Do I have to say pedophile father John Gogan. They

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Speaker 4: Well. The prison Nancy, And let me just tell you,

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I would count on jailhouse justice here,

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Speaker 3: because that's few and far between. He never even approached

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Speaker 3: face time. He's calling his girlfriends, they're calling him. Yes,

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Speaker 3: he's got admirers that are sending him money.

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Speaker 2: That's what he's doing. That doesn't sound that bad to me.

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Speaker 4: He's got a tablet. And the truth of the matter

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Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about him being in

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Speaker 4: Well, the way it works now is that individuals who

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Speaker 4: It's one of the requirements of the law. But I

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Speaker 4: rather fascinating. We have that in court. I could sit

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Speaker 4: But of course, if he gets out, he's in general

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Speaker 3: Going back to the glorious Satterfield debacle, where he immediately

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Speaker 3: And he gets the money, and then Pocket said, explain

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Speaker 4: Sure, well, So what you do, though, is if you're

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Speaker 4: But you have to be well connected to do that.

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Speaker 4: And that's one of the concerns of the bar generally,

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Speaker 4: he has that ability, that skill set, and we saw

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Speaker 3: What do you anticipate happening in the Mallory Beach boat

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's what you and I would call

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Speaker 4: They've ruled that, so if it's done, it's closed. You've

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Speaker 3: By allowing him, and I'm talking about Paul murdog, only

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Speaker 3: the only way.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 3: That's the only way for criminal, any criminal liability. But

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's going to be any criminal liability

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean they never investigated it, you know exactly.

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Speaker 4: from the witnesses that were never deposed. No information was

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Speaker 4: And it's just easier to settle for four point three

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Speaker 3: You've got Mallory Beach, you have Gloria Satterfield, and you

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Speaker 3: have the Stephen Smith case, which we're still waiting to hear.

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Speaker 2: The next step.

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Speaker 3: It seems to me the next step for Murdoch anyway,

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Speaker 3: and a long line of lawsuits is going to be

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Speaker 3: about the prosecution of the financial crimes.

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Speaker 2: I do. And this is.

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Speaker 3: If for any reason his murder convictions are reversed, which

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Speaker 3: cases must be prosecuted, and they're going to go straight

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Speaker 3: back to the same judge who's.

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Speaker 2: Already had a snoop full of Alex Murdoch.

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Speaker 4: You got that right, And of course the victims themselves

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Speaker 4: they want the guy to be convicted if there's any

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Speaker 4: recovery ever made, because you and I both know that

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Speaker 2: So that's right, okay, Del Carson. We wait.

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Speaker 3: Apparently the Alex Murdoch story isn't over yet.