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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: In Final hour of the Week, Clay Travis buck Sexton

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Speaker 2: show Blockbuster News. About fifteen minutes into the show, today,

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Speaker 2: a special council has been appointed in the Hunter Biden case.

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Speaker 2: It is David Weiss, the same individual who had already

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Speaker 2: been prepared to give a sweetheart deal to Hunter Biden.

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Speaker 2: Now we bring in Anny McCarthy, who is I think

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Speaker 2: the best legal analyst out there. And certainly we're dealing

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Speaker 2: with a lot of uncharted waters here. It's very difficult

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Speaker 2: to analyze all the different moving parts. But I want

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Speaker 2: to start here because I've seen some of the things

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Speaker 2: that you are saying. Your position, Andy is that you

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Speaker 2: cannot appoint a special counsel who is already inside of

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Speaker 2: the United States government, as that violates the Special Council statute.

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Speaker 2: If you are correct, and it seems to me that

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Speaker 2: you are, Why in the world would the Department of

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Speaker 2: Justice be doing this and how could you how could

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Speaker 2: you challenge the appointment of the special council as not

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Speaker 2: fulfilling the statute statutory requirements of a special council And

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Speaker 2: that sounds like, by the way, I know, a complicated question,

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Speaker 2: but I think it's a very significant one.

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Speaker 3: Well, thanks, play. I mean, it's it's obvious that that

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Speaker 3: he can't be a special counsel under the regulations. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm already hearing pushback from people who say that, well,

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Speaker 3: Dorham was not appointed from outside the United States government.

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Speaker 3: But when Durham was appointed by bar it was when

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Speaker 3: the Biden Justice Department was about to take over and

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Speaker 3: Dorham was going to be removed as the US Attorney

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Speaker 3: for Connecticut. So here we have Garland appointing the guy

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Speaker 3: that he has trusted all along to make this case

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Speaker 3: go away, which is exactly the way that Weiss has

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Speaker 3: conducted it. But he also took pains. Garland did in

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Speaker 3: his statement today to say that wife would remain the

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Speaker 3: United States Attorney for Delaware.

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Speaker 4: So you know what.

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Speaker 3: Makes a special council special is that he's brought in

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Speaker 3: from outside, not only outside the Justice Department, but outside

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Speaker 3: the government. The whole purpose of having a special counsel,

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Speaker 3: unlike what Merrick Garland would have you believe, it's not

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Speaker 3: that it gets appointed when a US attorney asks him

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Speaker 3: for authority. The Attorney General has the obligation in any

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Speaker 3: case where there is a profound conflict of interest that

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Speaker 3: prevents the Justice Department ethically from investigating the case in

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Speaker 3: the normal course to appoint a special counsel. It's not

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Speaker 3: wife's job to ask, it's Garland's job to appoint one.

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Speaker 3: Because there can't be a more profound conflict of interest

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Speaker 3: than the Biden Justice Department having to investigate the president's

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Speaker 3: son in conduct that may implicate the president in criminal

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Speaker 3: activity or even impeachable activity. But I think what they'll

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Speaker 3: say to this point is that the last of the

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Speaker 3: Special Council regulations says that these regulations do not create

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Speaker 3: rights for anybody else. So, in other words, he'll come

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Speaker 3: back and say this is all just aspirational. I mean,

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Speaker 3: they pretend that there are regulations except when they don't

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Speaker 3: want to follow them, in which case they say, oh,

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Speaker 3: and by the way, if we'd break the rules better

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Speaker 3: here nobody gets to do anything about it. So there's

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Speaker 3: no court that could do anything about it, there's no

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Speaker 3: lawsuit that could be filed. The whole thing is a farce.

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Speaker 5: So Andy, what is the point then, Like, where do

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Speaker 5: you see this going? And you know, why do they

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Speaker 5: do it today?

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Speaker 3: Well, they did it because they did it today, because

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Speaker 3: it's Friday, and that's when they usually do this sort

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Speaker 3: of stuff. But also they did it but because the

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Speaker 3: polea deial blew up, and the strategic reason for doing

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Speaker 3: it is twofold. You know, look, there's no First of all,

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Speaker 3: there's no investigation of the bidens. If there were an investigation,

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Speaker 3: you would never no prosecutor would ever give a guy

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Speaker 3: who is a subject of a continuing investigation that raises

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Speaker 3: the possibility of serious telony charges. You would never take

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Speaker 3: one of your main subjects and give them a plea

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Speaker 3: to two misdemeanor counts if you really had a continuing investigation.

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Speaker 3: You just no one would ever do that. So there

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Speaker 3: is no investigation. And he wasn't conducting you know, wife

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Speaker 3: wasn't conducting an investigation. He was destroying an investigation. It

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Speaker 3: was he who intentionally has not indicted this case in

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Speaker 3: order to let the statute of limitations run on all

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Speaker 3: these camps. So his job is not to investigate the case,

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Speaker 3: it's to make the case go away. And now it's

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Speaker 3: expeding for them because there's been all this cat calling

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Speaker 3: for special counsel, is for Garland figuring that no one's

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Speaker 3: going to pay any attention to what the rules are anyway,

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Speaker 3: Golin comes in and says, abricatetabra, you're now a special counsel,

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Speaker 3: even though you're the guy who's been running the investigation

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Speaker 3: all along. But the thing, the strategic reason for doing

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Speaker 3: this is, unlike every other prosecutor in America or in

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Speaker 3: the Justice Department, who when a case ends without charges,

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Speaker 3: you just close the file and move on to the

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Speaker 3: next case, a special council gets to write a report.

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Speaker 3: So on the front end, what Wis is supposed to

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Speaker 3: do is basically destroyed the case against Hunter Biden. He's

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Speaker 3: doing a great job. The twenty fourteen to fifteen council

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Speaker 3: are already gone. That's when the worst of the Barisma

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Speaker 3: stuff happens, right, because it's all time board. That's the

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Speaker 3: limitations on the tap stuff is six years. On all

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Speaker 3: the other crimes, it's five years. So arguably everything before

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Speaker 3: Biden left the Obama White House is now gone, right

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Speaker 3: because it's time board. But his job at the end

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Speaker 3: of the investigation is to write a report that says

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Speaker 3: President Biden didn't have anything to do with his son's business,

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Speaker 3: which is what the Biden administration has been saying all along.

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Speaker 3: Weiss is a part of the Biden administration. He's going

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Speaker 3: to write a report that clears the president.

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Speaker 5: That's his job, so nothing happens out of this, right,

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Speaker 5: I mean, Andy, just to be clear, you think this

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Speaker 5: is total smoke screen nonsense.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I think it's worse than that, because I think

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Speaker 3: that this is like the counterpoint. On the one hand,

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Speaker 3: you know, they won't indict Hunter Biden, who's very straightforward

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Speaker 3: text and gun crimes have been well known for five years.

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Speaker 3: They've just let everything last. Right in the meantime, I

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Speaker 3: think in the last two months, they've been dieted Trump

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Speaker 3: three times, and they're pushing to have trials all at

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Speaker 3: the beginning of next year, like the first six months

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Speaker 3: when everything's happening in the campaign. So what they're going

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Speaker 3: to do is, on the one hand, they're going to

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Speaker 3: be having these you know, Trump proceedings where he's painted

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Speaker 3: as a terrible guy by the Biden Justice Department, and

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Speaker 3: then on the other side, they're going to have the

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Speaker 3: Biden Justice departments quote unquote special Council who's going to

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Speaker 3: write a report saying, good old President Biden, he had

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Speaker 3: nothing to do with any bad stuff that his son

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Speaker 3: might have been involved in, but will never know because

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Speaker 3: the statute of limitations lapsed on everything.

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Speaker 2: All right, Andy, I feel like I'm just taking crazy

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Speaker 2: And what I mean by seeing it as a positive

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Speaker 2: is this, If I flip over to CNN and I

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Speaker 2: flip over to MSNBC, as I'm doing right now in

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Speaker 2: my studio, they are all covering the Hunter Biden Independent Council.

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Speaker 2: The Biden administration has avoided trying to get a special

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Speaker 2: council status for Hunter Biden for a long time, and

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Speaker 2: they certainly have. Judge Norrieika had not refused to rubber

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Speaker 2: stamp this plea agreement, they would have never ever agreed

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Speaker 2: to this. To me, and I understand all of the

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Speaker 2: procedural issues you're raising. I understand all of the cover

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Speaker 2: up aspects of this case that you are discussing for

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Speaker 2: purposes of the increasing fire, the media attention, the pressure

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Speaker 2: on Biden and the Biden crime family. I don't see

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Speaker 2: how this is a good day for the Bidens. It

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Speaker 2: seems to me that things have significantly worsened for them

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Speaker 2: because they never wanted a special counsel. And if Judge

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Speaker 2: Norieika had rubber stamp that sweetheart deal that David Weiss

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Speaker 2: and the US government negotiated, this whole story would have

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Speaker 2: gone away. Now it's prolonged and the House still has

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Speaker 2: the ability to conduct their own investigation into the Biden

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Speaker 2: crime family. Am I wrong in that analysis? If I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to look at this as a positive.

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Speaker 3: Story, well, I don't think, you know, I don't think

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Speaker 3: these things are necessarily in conflict play in the sense

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Speaker 3: that the fact that they understood that they had to

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Speaker 3: engage in the sham because they got caught on the

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Speaker 3: plea agreement and some people have finally noticed that no

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Speaker 3: indictment ever got filed, so the case is disappearing with

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Speaker 3: each passing day because of the statute of limitations. So

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Speaker 3: they had to engage in this game that they're running.

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Speaker 3: Now that is bad for them, and the additional attention

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Speaker 3: is not something they want. But I think you just

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Speaker 3: in terms of getting to the truth at the end,

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Speaker 3: because I would just point out to people I wish

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Speaker 3: this had gotten more attention. But if you look at

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Speaker 3: the statement of fact that Wife's office agreed to in

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Speaker 3: connection with the Hunter Biden plea, what they say is

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Speaker 3: all these millions of dollars that were coming in were

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Speaker 3: coming in because Hunter is a high end lawyer who

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Speaker 3: So that's the explanation for all the money coming in.

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Speaker 3: And the reason he didn't pay his taxes was because

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Speaker 3: he was drug addled. So if your wife and you're

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Speaker 3: running an investigation, a good faith investigation of a situation

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Speaker 3: influence peddling business, which is what explains the millions of

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Speaker 3: pay his Hunter didn't pay his taxes is consistent with

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Speaker 3: the rest of the investigation, which is an extensive effort

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Speaker 3: size of them. That's perfectly consistent with not paying your taxes. Right,

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who are involved in crime

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Speaker 3: and do that. But if you were really running that

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Speaker 3: stipulation that said the money was The money's explained by

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Speaker 3: Hunter's high end legal work and the disappearance of it

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Speaker 3: or his lack of paying taxes is because you've got

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Speaker 3: a drug problem?

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Speaker 5: Andy, Do you think they're just going to run out

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Speaker 5: the statutes on all this stuff basically and nothing is

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Speaker 5: going to happen to Hunter? Is that a possibility in

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Speaker 5: your mind?

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Speaker 3: They've almost done it. They've almost done it. I mean

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Speaker 3: the statute of limitations. You know, I feel like I'm

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Speaker 3: ranting because I get so angry every time so thinking

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Speaker 3: about this. But the statute of limitations on the text

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Speaker 3: of the six years this is twenty twenty three, So

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Speaker 3: the statute of limitations on everything else is five years.

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Speaker 5: So can I be Is there a possibility, Adie? I

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Speaker 5: at some point in let's say, you know, earli or

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Speaker 5: midnext year, this special Council comes forward writes a report

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Speaker 5: that says Joe Biden, Joe Biden did nothing wrong, and

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Speaker 5: Hunter obviously made some mistakes, but oops, the statute's gone.

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Speaker 5: He doesn't even have to take a plea.

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Speaker 3: Deal, right, That's what Look the plea deal they had.

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Speaker 3: Buck didn't have the years that have the most incriminating

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Speaker 3: behavior in it because wife let them laugh. I want,

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Speaker 3: and I just want to be clear about this. Hunter's

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Speaker 3: lawyers were willing to waive the statute limitations objection in

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Speaker 3: the interest of getting a global plea where he would

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Speaker 3: get two misdemeanor counts to plead guilty to and he

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Speaker 3: would get a complete immunity bath for everything from twenty

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Speaker 3: fourteen to the end. It was wife who didn't take

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Speaker 3: that deal because he decided to just let twenty fourteen

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Speaker 3: who knows what year we're up to.

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Speaker 2: So all of this it's not good, Clay all, no, no,

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Speaker 2: no doubt. But it's better and I hate to have

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Speaker 2: But Andy, to close out here, what do you think happens?

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Speaker 2: Where do we go? Do you think Joe Biden is

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Speaker 3: Well, what I've been trying to do, Clay, is say

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Speaker 5: So yeah, so they're not going to cut any comments.

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Speaker 2: The one positive is this doesn't forestall any continuing investigation

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Speaker 3: Correct, that's the only that's the only investigation that has

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Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, Andy McCarthy, everybody and get hold on lady

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in quickly. Andy McCarthy's got a busy schedule.

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Speaker 2: I just want to ask you this because this is

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Speaker 2: What am I missing here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't think so, Clay, because this is this

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Speaker 5: All right, Andy, we'll see you on TV all day

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Speaker 1: Travis and buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.

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Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We

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Speaker 5: Do you mean politically or do you mean legally? It's

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Speaker 2: If you want Hunter to face any consequences for his behavior,

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Speaker 5: It's not really what they've been arguing. To be fair,

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Speaker 5: not saying Hunter paid his taxes. They're not saying Hunter

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so a Hunter has always been somewhat disposable in

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Speaker 5: So now if they if they if they give there's

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Speaker 5: we don't know if they run out the statute of limitations.

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Speaker 5: It's actually a better deal for Hunter than what was

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Speaker 2: Do potentially is. But I think it's a worse deal politically.

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Speaker 2: And I understand the argument that they're trying to wall

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Speaker 2: I don't think Joe Biden wants Hunter walled off because

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Speaker 2: he's consistently he brought Hunter to the India the State Dinner,

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Speaker 2: you know, the guy clearly didn't pay taxes, he's got

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Speaker 5: All those things.

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Speaker 2: I just think that the longer Hunter looms as an uncertainty,

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Speaker 5: Clay, I mean, I was there in twenty nineteen when

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Speaker 5: It was years ago. This stuff has been going on,

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Speaker 5: worst charges you're gonna hit him with have already been.

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Speaker 5: They've already run the statute of limitations, right, So.

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Speaker 2: But they keep painting him into more of a corner

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Speaker 2: My point is they keep giving up the ground to

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Speaker 1: It was there was not.

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Speaker 2: Well over half of Democrats still believe it. So when

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Speaker 2: they have to put on them and they're just yet sadly,

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Speaker 2: this is my thing, like when c yeah, I agree,

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Speaker 2: we agree on that. When CNN and MSNBC, in the

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Speaker 2: New York Times and the Wall Street Journal all have

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Speaker 2: to put on their front page Hunter Biden Special Council appointment,

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Speaker 2: it's really hard for the argument to be that there's

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Speaker 2: nothing to see here. It gets more difficult for the

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Speaker 2: propaganda media to make that argument. And remember, a lot

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Speaker 2: of Democrat voters and maybe a lot of independent voters

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Speaker 2: out there still don't know anything associated.

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Speaker 5: With the hunt. I still think. I mean, I look, man,

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Speaker 5: I worked at CNN. I'll tell you they're just going

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Speaker 5: to say, first of all, they're not going to ask questions,

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Speaker 5: They're not going to be pushing this story. And unless

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Speaker 5: there's something from the Special Council, it's just going to

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Speaker 5: be Fox News and Talk radio being like, hey, what's

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Speaker 5: going on with that special cruz by one with us? Now, Sinaer,

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Speaker 5: what do you think. What's the significance of today's Special

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Speaker 5: Council appointment from your perspective?

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Speaker 4: Well, I suppose it is a slight marginal improvement. I

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Speaker 4: think Merrick Garland felt backed into a corner that he

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Speaker 4: had to do something. Every single day. The evidence of

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Speaker 4: Biden corruption has been growing. The evidence of number one

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Speaker 4: hunter Biden's multiple criminal acts, but the evidence number two,

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Speaker 4: I think is growing daily of Joe Biden's criminal acts

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Speaker 4: and number three of the Biden Justice Department's efforts to

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Speaker 4: protect Hunter Biden and to protect Joe Biden have been

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Speaker 4: made both both senior career employees, and so I think

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Speaker 4: Merrick Garland is doing this to try to get some cover.

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Speaker 4: But the fact that he appointed the same US attorney

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Speaker 4: who negotiated the sweetheart deal to begin with does not

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Speaker 4: give anyone any confidence.

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Speaker 5: Do you think this is going to result in any

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Speaker 5: real consequences for Hunter Biden, Joe Biden politically, or anybody

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Speaker 5: else involved here?

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Speaker 4: I have very little optimism that the Department of Justice

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Speaker 4: is going to do a damn thing. I think under

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Speaker 4: Merrick Garland, this has been the most political and partisan

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Speaker 4: Attorney General and Department of Justice we have ever seen.

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Speaker 4: When you know, if you listen to the testimony of

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Speaker 4: the IRS whistleblowers, they have alleged that Merrick Garland, the

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Speaker 4: Attorney General of the United States, lied under oath to

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Speaker 4: the United States Congress in response to questions that I asked,

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Speaker 4: that's a felony. They also have alleged that Merrick Garland

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Speaker 4: and others of the Department of Justice engaged in obstruction

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Speaker 4: of justice, actively blocking the investigation into Hunter Biden, tipping

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Speaker 4: off Hunter Biden when they were going to question him,

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Speaker 4: tipping off Hunter Biden when they wanted to execute a

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Speaker 4: search warrant, and preventing any questions whatsoever addressing Joe Biden

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Speaker 4: or the big guy blocking that as a line of inquiry,

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Speaker 4: and that that level of politicization I think is shameful.

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Speaker 4: The only place I expect any modicum of accountability is

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Speaker 4: going to be from the present in the House has

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Speaker 4: consistently engaged in real oversight. As you guys know, I

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Speaker 4: do a podcast every week called Verdict with Ted Cruz.

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Speaker 4: It's Monday, Wednesday and Friday, and on today's podcast, I

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Speaker 4: walk through in detail the latest evidence and what it means.

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Speaker 4: It's very hard to get that where other than something

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Speaker 4: like the Epic with Ted Cruz.

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Speaker 5: So what do you think?

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Speaker 2: Let's go to Trump quickly here and we appreciate you

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Speaker 2: joining us, Senator Ted Cruz. I've argued that the case

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Speaker 2: in South Florida is easier to prove, but the jury

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Speaker 2: pool is likely to be far better for Trump, and

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Speaker 2: also the judge is way fairer. Meanwhile, the DC case

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Speaker 2: is I think complete garbage, and I'm curious how you

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Speaker 2: would analyze it from a legal perspective, But the judge

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Speaker 2: and the jury is likely to be very biased against Trump.

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Speaker 2: That's just the federal charges. But would you agree or

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Speaker 2: how would you analyze those situations in general play.

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Speaker 4: I think that's exactly right, and I think between the

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Speaker 4: two there's much greater jeopardy in the DC case, and

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Speaker 4: there's greater jeopardy a because the judge that got assigned

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Speaker 4: to is a very left wing judge. She may be

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Speaker 4: the most left wing of all the federal judges in

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Speaker 4: d C. And that's a pool of judges that is

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Speaker 4: already very left So you can expect that she is

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Speaker 4: going to rule consistently in favor of the Department of

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Speaker 4: Justice and against President Trump. And then the jury pool

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Speaker 4: DC is one of, if not the most liberal jurisdiction

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Speaker 4: in the entire country. Over ninety percent of the residents

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Speaker 4: there opposed Donald Trump. You're going to get a jury

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Speaker 4: that it's very likely hates Donald Trump. And this is

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Speaker 4: not about ultimately getting a legal conviction. I believe if

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Speaker 4: they got a conviction, it would be reversed at the

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Speaker 4: US Supreme Court. That the legal basis for the case

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Speaker 4: in DC is extraordinarily weak, but they're not aiming for

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Speaker 4: a conviction that will stick. This is all about muddying

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Speaker 4: up Trump. I think what Joe Biden and the Biden

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Speaker 4: doj wants is they number one, they want Trump to

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Speaker 4: win the nomination, and they recognize every time they indict

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Speaker 4: in Trump's numbers of the Republican primary go up. But

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Speaker 4: number two, they want him to lose the general election,

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Speaker 4: and they want him to be in the middle of

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Speaker 4: a criminal trial right before election day next year. And

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Speaker 4: they think if they bloody him up enough, he'll lose

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Speaker 4: the race. And that's their objective. And I think they

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Speaker 4: know full well that any conviction they got from a

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Speaker 4: DC jury would be very likely to be overturned on appeal,

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Speaker 4: but he'd be after the fact, after the election.

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Speaker 5: Senator Cruz, what do you think happens if they were

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Speaker 5: to get let's just say, in DC, where there's going

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Speaker 5: to be this jury pool that is very likely the

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Speaker 5: least sare minded, never mind favorable toward Donald Trump, of

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Speaker 5: any major city jury pool in the country. What happens

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Speaker 5: if he's found guilty.

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Speaker 4: Well, to be honest, I think the odds are quite

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Speaker 4: high that he will be found guilty, given the judge,

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Speaker 4: given the jury pool. If you were betting money, you

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Speaker 4: would bet money right now that he would be found

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Speaker 4: guilty in front of that judge and that jury. And

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Speaker 4: I think the Biden Department of Justice wants that guilty

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Speaker 4: verdict about October of next year, right before the election. Now,

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Speaker 4: it's worth noting Jack Smith a special prosecutor. He has

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Speaker 4: a history of doing this. If you look back at

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Speaker 4: Bob McDonald, he was the Republican governor of Virginia at

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Speaker 4: the time. Bob McDonald was considered a serious and credible

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Speaker 4: presidential contender, and Jack Smith indicted Bob McDonald, indicted him

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Speaker 4: on very questionable legal theories, and he got a conviction

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Speaker 4: and it ended Bob McDonald's political career, destroyed him in

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Speaker 4: the presidential race. That case went up on appeal to

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Speaker 4: the US Supreme Court and Jack Smith lost unanimously. Every

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Speaker 4: single justice voted to overturn the conviction because the legal

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Speaker 4: theory was not supported by the law. I think Jack

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Speaker 4: Smith is repeating that pattern. That's what he wants to

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Speaker 4: have happened. And the objective here is not a conviction

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Speaker 4: that's consistent with law. It's a political victory of getting

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Speaker 4: a conviction right before election day. Because this is I

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Speaker 4: believe a blatant effort at election interference, and it's a

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Speaker 4: politicization of the Department of Justice.

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Speaker 2: I tossed the theory out there. Now I want your

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Speaker 2: opinion on this. You're a far more reasoned legal mind.

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Speaker 2: You could have been on the Supreme Court if you

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Speaker 2: wanted to. And we just asked Andy McCarthy about this

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Speaker 2: and he had an answer. But I think you're allayed

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Speaker 2: aligned a little bit more with me here on the

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Speaker 2: DC charges in particular, they're very expansive, they haven't been

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Speaker 2: used before. There are lots of theories here, but I

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Speaker 2: keep coming back to this. They changed the law, but

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Speaker 2: they wrote a legal memo laying out what they believed

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Speaker 2: Mike Pence could do to reject electors. They wrote a

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Speaker 2: legal memo. I'm not familiar. Maybe you are with basically

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Speaker 2: a legal theory being criminalized and one being criminalized that

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Speaker 2: was actually written down in a legal memo and analyzed

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Speaker 2: its likelihood of success. And yet they've also changed the law.

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Speaker 2: You were a part of this in December of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two to say Mike Pence can't do what he

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Speaker 2: was asked to do by the Trump legal team. Isn't

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Speaker 2: this kind of a dead on arrival attempt to criminalize

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Speaker 2: legal advice?

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Speaker 4: I think if the Supreme Court it would be. And

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Speaker 4: you look at an individual, I'm not aware of any

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Speaker 4: precedent where an individual receives conflicting legal advice from serious

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Speaker 4: lawyers on two sides of an issue and agrees with

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Speaker 4: one of the lawyers and that's somehow a criminal offense.

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Speaker 4: It's possible that either lawyer was wrong, but it's never

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Speaker 4: been deemed a criminal offense to agree with legal advice

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Speaker 4: given given by a lawyer in writing. And it also

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Speaker 4: is not a criminal offense for any individual, and especially

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Speaker 4: for the President of the United States, to engage in

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Speaker 4: political speech. And much of this is about criminalizing political speech.

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Speaker 4: You read through the complaint and it's ludicrous. They just said, well,

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Speaker 4: Trump knew his lawyers were wrong. Well, they have no

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Speaker 4: basis for that. They're just asserting that there. And the

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Speaker 4: reason they say is, well, other people told them that

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Speaker 4: was wrong. Well, okay, if you get advice from multiple lawyers,

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Speaker 4: the fact that one lawyer disagrees with another doesn't suddenly

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Speaker 4: different lawyer.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Senator Cruz A lot like going for different

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Speaker 2: medical opinions. Doctors disagree, lawyers disagree. I can't believe this

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Speaker 2: is being criminalized. Appreciate the time, sir, Thank you, my friends.

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Speaker 4: God bless.

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Speaker 2: up in Cleveland. Great crowd there, New Jersey. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to be next week Buck in Salt Lake City, Houston,

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Speaker 2: and Tampa and Nashville. So I'll be on the road

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Speaker 2: a lot again next week and then Milwaukee the week

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Speaker 2: after that. Uh and so we have a lot of

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Speaker 2: good stuff coming your way. And you get to go

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Speaker 2: to Scotland soon, which I'm super jealous about. That's gonna

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Speaker 2: be awesome.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, vacation, I don't even know. It's been a while.

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Speaker 5: I haven't been on vacation in a while. We got

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Speaker 5: a VIP email here from Chuck and Judy wanted to

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Speaker 5: share with all of you. Chuck and Judy Right, hey, Clay,

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Speaker 5: we recently saw you on Fox and notice your appearance

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Speaker 5: is so much better. We're not sure what you've done,

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Speaker 5: maybe cut your hair or just improved your beard.

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Speaker 2: But we noticed. I love Chuck and Judy, They're my

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Speaker 2: favorite listeners. This is the first time that anybody said

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Speaker 2: something nice about me being on television in like five years,

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Speaker 2: Chuck Judy, I think it's just living well.

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Speaker 5: What you do, what you how'd you do this?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I went to Dollywood and I went to

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Speaker 2: the I went I went to the the the water

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Speaker 2: park with my kids and spent all day out in

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Speaker 2: the in the bright sun. So I think that helped,

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Speaker 2: and I appreciate that. I hope everybody has a phenomenal weekend. Buck,

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Speaker 2: we'll be back fighting for truth, justice in the American way.

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Speaker 2: Who knows what might happen over the weekend.

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Speaker 5: Rest up, everybody will see you on Monday.

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Speaker 1: Slave Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of

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Speaker 1: truth