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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live presented by Calida Health.

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Speaker 2: Hey, how the heck you are you in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the week. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you here

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Speaker 2: on a Wednesday, One Bill's Live in the show. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for making it a part of your day. And uh,

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Speaker 2: we haven't really touched on it all that much, but

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Speaker 2: we will get into it today in earnest and that

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Speaker 2: would be the DeAndre Hopkins situation. More on that in

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Speaker 2: just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: No, we're not signing Diana Hopkins. I mean we're not

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Speaker 1: saying that. We're going to talk about it in a minute.

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Speaker 1: So don't think that because we're One Bill's Live we

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Speaker 1: have any insight.

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Speaker 2: I think if that happened, we'd be talking about it

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Speaker 2: right away. We wouldn't be with.

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Speaker 1: Right So so we're talking about what you're talking about,

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Speaker 1: and that's about the extent of it.

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Speaker 2: So sure, you know, with a little twist you sounded.

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Speaker 1: You made it sound. I was looking at you like

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Speaker 1: you got something to say, like.

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Speaker 2: The well, we always have something to say. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's kind of why we're here.

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Speaker 1: Like an announcement.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh okay, No, not a town crier type thing

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Speaker 1: Attention staff, attention staff. Yeah, yeah, no, nothing like that.

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Speaker 2: Big old memo I did.

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Speaker 1: I looked at it like, oh my gosh, you knew something.

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Speaker 2: Why didn't you tell me?

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Speaker 1: Did you tell me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get into that in just a minute.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: There are some interesting I don't know what it is, Steve.

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Speaker 2: Every time we take a look around the league, there's

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Speaker 2: always AFC East news, it seems. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: are like this polarizing, life sucking magnet now that everybody's

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Speaker 2: got to look at. Okay, so that's somewhat anticipated to

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Speaker 2: some degree. But there's either something coming from the Patriots

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Speaker 2: or something coming out of Dolphins. OTAs like every day

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Speaker 2: practically there's something coming out of the division, and I

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Speaker 2: just don't remember that, you know, in seasons past even recently,

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Speaker 2: where every day there's something coming out of this division.

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Speaker 2: And I just think it's going to be a division

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Speaker 2: under the microscope, primarily because the general consensus is there

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Speaker 2: are three playoff caliber teams in the division. I don't

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Speaker 2: know there's too many other divisions that you could say

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Speaker 2: that about, maybe the AFC North, with people expecting Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: if the Giants can duplicate what they did last year

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Speaker 2: and Philly and Dallas continue doing what they're doing. But

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Speaker 2: beyond that division, I mean, the AFC West probably not

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Speaker 2: three playoff teams. AFC South no, you know, NFC West

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Speaker 2: not three teams good enough, NFC South definitely not NFC

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Speaker 2: North no. Again, So it's I mean, it's arguably one

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Speaker 1: NFC North is you know, it's Baltimore and Cincinnati right now.

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's in the rebuild and Cleveland is.

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Speaker 2: I think Pittsburgh's better than people think.

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Speaker 1: I do too. Well, they were nine win team last

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Speaker 1: year and they that was and they stunk.

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Speaker 2: They had a nice offseason though, yes Pittsburgh did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna be. They're gonna be, so they may

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Speaker 1: either Cincinnati or Baltimore. You know, maybe Baltimore is not

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Speaker 2: But it just seems like the AFC East teams are

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the New York Jets expectations are like you need

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Speaker 1: a welders mask to look at those Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: couple of offseason, even you and I have always talked about

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Speaker 1: how impressed we are with their last two off seasons,

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Speaker 1: are serious, really serious.

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Speaker 2: And played the Bill's tough last year in all three matchups.

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Speaker 2: With that said, let's go around the NFL brought to

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Speaker 2: you by Kalida Health, the official healthcare system of the

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills, and here's your AFC East News. Jets head

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Speaker 2: coach Robert Salah says that running back Brise Hall is

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Speaker 2: on track to play in the Monday night season opener

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Speaker 2: Week one against the Bills. Now, this is a guy

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Speaker 2: last year because he tore his ACL two weeks prior

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Speaker 2: to the Bills Jets first matchup in Week nine. Tours

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Speaker 2: our MSG viewers are watching right now. So apparently he's

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Speaker 2: already hitting twenty two miles per hour on the GPS tracking.

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Speaker 1: Twenty two miles. Dude, that's fast.

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Speaker 2: that he right tore it. So but Sala said this quote,

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Speaker 2: he's learning. I'm excited for him to get back on

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Speaker 1: He's he's a really good player.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he's going to be like after that,

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Speaker 2: Well, every case is different, and there are freaks. There

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Speaker 2: Same, same commitment.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know how he feels about it, but yes,

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Speaker 1: To have Breeze Hall back in Game one for the

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Speaker 1: next season, that'd be big for them, very big, because

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Speaker 1: that guy was headed for Offensive Rookie of the Year.

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Speaker 2: Which his teammate ended up winning.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, which his teammate ended up winning, Which is why

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Speaker 2: And I would tend to think that Bryce Hall se

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Speaker 2: saw last year with Zach Wilson as his quarterback. That

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Speaker 2: that's right, So he could potentially be even more productive

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Speaker 2: From a current Jets running back Steve to a former one,

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Speaker 2: won Le'Veon Bell admits to smoking pot before games. I

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Speaker 1: you it all falls on you. The team falls on you,

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Speaker 1: there were still guys that smoked cigarettes. I'm talking professional

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Speaker 2: So your your your theory or your hypothesis is Le'Veon

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Speaker 2: Bell was using it as a coping mechanism.

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Speaker 2: Looking back on this, That's what I did when I

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Speaker 2: the New York Jets in twenty nineteen, The Jets coach

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Speaker 2: at the time, Adam Gase, came under criticism from Bell,

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Speaker 2: who said, quote, Bro, we get to New York and

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Speaker 2: I get to New York, I find out the first

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Speaker 2: week the team wasn't that great. Don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 2: but I feel like if coach Tomlin was coaching that team,

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Speaker 2: we'd win nine games at least. It's to the point

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Speaker 2: where Sam Darnold didn't even know the actual lines protections

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Speaker 2: because he's so confused about our offense because our coach

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Speaker 2: is confusing him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a little bit stress in that work environment. Huh.

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Speaker 2: I guess say this too.

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Speaker 1: I go.

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Speaker 2: Before I was in that situation.

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Speaker 5: You got the quarterback, know the protections, and you're running

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Speaker 5: behind the line that looks like a bunch of fifth

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it is, Maybe it's time.

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Speaker 1: That is give me, you know what, just you know,

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Speaker 1: you got a lighter think about I don't make a

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Speaker 1: light about it's funny, but think about the pressure that

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Speaker 1: And the Pittsburgh Steelers organization smart enough to get you

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Speaker 2: it's resolved, and we've moved on. Right up there with Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: The whole penalty stemmed from a snaff who with coach

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Speaker 1: Even though you know, I've never had, you know, love

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Speaker 2: So I gotta believe though, that some player tipped off

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Speaker 1: They don't have a there there's no enforcement arm of

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Stuff like that. That stuff

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Speaker 2: Belichick was docked with a fifty thousand dollars fine. Is

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Speaker 2: Joe Judge paying.

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Speaker 1: That in some way, shape or form, Yes, if.

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Speaker 2: He cares about job security, he probably is.

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Speaker 1: He's in one way or another he's paying for that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Ah, fifty grand, that's not even that's

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Speaker 1: not I know for them, it's not a big deal.

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Speaker 1: But these guys go to Vegas and spend two hundred right,

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Speaker 2: the top ten. He had an explosive score of eighty four,

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Speaker 2: they actually tackled pretty well in that game. So Fields

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Speaker 1: Yeah he did. Yeah he didn't. He had a nice season,

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean, oh, in terms of rushing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Josh has top twenty miles per hour.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't either. He had eighty nine rushes his

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Speaker 1: Yards five ten in his second year? Five hundred and

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Speaker 1: Three that is correct, seven sixty three and six tds.

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Speaker 2: That's his career high and rushing. Yeah, that was single.

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Speaker 1: here in our control room. You know, everybody worries about

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Speaker 1: Josh and his durability because he takes him his andey,

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Speaker 1: the longest active streak of consecutive games started in the

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Speaker 1: what is it, seventy one games in a row? Josh

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody else has sixty. So our guy

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Speaker 1: the big boy. The big guy, he seems to line

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Speaker 2: Sure, it does not appear that Aaron, speaking of not playing,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't look like Aaron Rodgers is doing much at

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about Aaron Rodgers a little bit like I'm

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Speaker 1: You had to wonder if he's starting. We played one

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Speaker 2: Chile.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm kind of cooled off on old guys.

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Speaker 2: Well, that brings us to our topic of discussion, Steve,

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Speaker 2: so excellent segue there. As we take a look at

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Speaker 2: the DeAndre Hopkins situation. He is now officially a free agent.

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Speaker 2: And so he is a free agent now. He has

436
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: supposedly been in touch with a few teams, but the

437
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: interest in getting Hopkins signed has been described by more

438
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 2: than one reporter as luke warm at best, and I

439
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: think it's due in part to the fact that Hopkins believes,

440
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: after watching Odell Beckham Junior get fifteen million dollars for

441
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: one season from the Baltimore Ravens and didn't even play

442
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 2: football last year, that he should be able to command

443
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: a comparable salary. The problem is, if he wants to

444
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: do something even remotely close to that, it's either going

445
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: to have to be very heavily incentive laden and not

446
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 2: be fifteen million right off the cuff. That's option one.

447
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: Option two is to go to a team that has

448
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: enough cap space to accommodate his financial demands, which is

449
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 2: most likely a team that's not going to be winning

450
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 2: anytime soon. So he's got a decision to make here.

451
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 2: Ultimately one, how much less money am I willing to

452
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: take at the cost of winning a championship? Or his

453
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 2: money still the most important thing to me, because I

454
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 2: don't know that he's going to find a situation that's

455
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: going to offer him both. This late in the offseason,

456
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 2: when teams have largely gobbled up all of their available

457
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 2: cap space for anybody of any significance.

458
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm thinking of, you know, outside of

459
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: the obvious ones that we've all been talking about, Kansas

460
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: City and Buffalo. You know who a team that would be.

461
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: I think the dark horse to come in and throw

462
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 1: some money at the guy because I don't think it's

463
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: a smart investment at this point of his career. It

464
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: would be Cleveland, right, I mean, they've been mentioned Deshaun

465
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: Watson could use a guy, and they've got a history together,

466
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: of course, from their time in Houston before everything. Think

467
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: think about the lap we've taken since those two were

468
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: in Houston and so and so that I think that's

469
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Speaker 1: the spot where a team like Cleveland, knowing how they

470
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: like to do Cleveland Brown Ti type things like the

471
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: Jetsy things, spend money on the wrong thing. I think

472
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins might be the wrong guy to spend the

473
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: money on. I'm just tipping my hand as my opinion

474
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: about Yeah.

475
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 2: I mean, I get the connection there. I mean, no

476
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 2: one's thrown more touchdown passes to DeAndre Hopkins than Deshaun Watson,

477
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 2: so I understand the premise. I know. New England has

478
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 2: also been raised as a possibility because of the connection

479
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: to Bill O'Brien, who was his head coach in Houston,

480
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 2: and you know, drew up a scheme that made him very,

481
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: very very productive.

482
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: He traded him.

483
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 2: He also traded him.

484
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: My thing about DeAndre Hopkins if he were to come

485
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: to your team, say the Bills or the Chiefs or whatever.

486
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: We're talking about a team here already that was thirteen

487
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: and three, lost three games by a total of eight points.

488
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: And let's say they lose insince they're thirteen and four.

489
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: If DeAndre Hopkins comes in, what is the minimum minimum

490
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: you would accept as production and availability to say it

491
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: was the right move to get. I think the minimum

492
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,360
Speaker 1: would be he's got to make a difference in two

493
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: of those two of the four losses that you took,

494
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: right like the first Miami game and the Minnesota game.

495
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: Say he makes a play, you end up winning those games,

496
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: and you're fourteen and two now and you're the one seed.

497
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: But because he's thirty two, he's done week fifteen of

498
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: the season, you don't see him. That would be almost

499
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: minimum right right the other because he's got to make

500
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: those plays and be that guy for at least a

501
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: minute to help you win two games. Now, those two games,

502
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: you have to think that you would have lost them

503
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: without him. And I don't know that there's a game

504
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: on the Bill schedule that you would say DeAndre Hopkins

505
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: would be the guy that would put you over the

506
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: top of those games, right, The bar is really high

507
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: for him to come in and make a difference on

508
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: this roster.

509
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: It's high, Yeah, for a team that was highly successful.

510
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: I get it. Yeah, I get what you're saying.

511
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he can't do it because we've

512
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: seen the guy play, right, But for me, the highlight

513
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: of his entire career was a Hail Murray.

514
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: If his entire career, yeah, I mean, he did a

515
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: lot of good things in Houston, It's just Houston was

516
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: largely irrelevant for much of his playing career. Down there

517
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: his best years, I mean, he had a lot of production,

518
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: but not a lot of winning. I think they won

519
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: like two playoff games and the time he was there

520
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: with Deshaun Watson.

521
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 6: Right.

522
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 2: So the question on the table though, for you as

523
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: a Bills fan, is this would adding DeAndre Hopkins be

524
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: more about helping the Bills or about keeping him from

525
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: being on the Kansas City roster? What where? Does where

526
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: does the motivation lie? For you? We know that GM

527
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean doesn't think that way, But I get the

528
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 2: sense from Bills fans that I've talked to there there

529
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: is a portion of the fan base that would be

530
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: excited about what he could do in the Bills offense.

531
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: And then there's other people that when I cross paths

532
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: with them, they just say to me, as long as

533
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: he doesn't go to Kansas City.

534
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: Right.

535
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: So I'm curious as to the breakdown of the Bills

536
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 2: fan base on this. So would adding DeAndre Hopkins for

537
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: you be more about how he can help the Bills

538
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: or that you're keeping them off Kansas City's roster eight

539
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: oh three oh five point fifty one eight eight eight

540
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 2: five point fifty two five fifty the number to get

541
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: on board. You let us know how you feel about

542
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 2: that subject. We do have to take a break, but

543
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: when we come back, it is your phone calls and

544
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: your tweets. Add One Bill's Live on the tweetsheet here

545
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: on One Bill's Live presented by Colia Health. It's Buffalo

546
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: Bills Radio. All right back here on One Bill's Live.

547
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 2: Set to take your phone calls. As we're asking you,

548
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: would adding DeAndre Hopkins be more about helping the Bills

549
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 2: or keeping him from Kansas City, because I've heard mixed

550
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: opinions from Bill's fans that I've crossed paths with over

551
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: the last few days. Uh and one is one is

552
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: firmly in the He's gonna be great for the Bills camp,

553
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: and the other people is like, just don't let him

554
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: get on Kansas City's roster.

555
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: If you've got if you've listened to the radio here

556
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, or if you've got any social media that

557
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: follows any you know, sports guys like us in Buffalo,

558
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: you know this DeAndre Hopka Hopkins thing has been a

559
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: conversation for a while now. And the reason we put

560
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: this topic out there is because a lot of people

561
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: are said, just what Brownie said, I don't care if

562
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: we get him or not, just don't let the Chiefs

563
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: get him. Like, I don't care if I get him,

564
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: but if you don't get him, I'm happy. And I

565
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: can't think of another time when I remember this ever

566
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: happening where if I don't have him, you can't have

567
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: him either.

568
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of thing.

569
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: But it's pretty interesting that it's these two teams that

570
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: and the Bill. You know, the Chiefs are living rent

571
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: free in our heads anyway, because of the way our

572
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: seasons have ended of late, right, not in the last year,

573
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: not not including last year. Obviously.

574
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: Let's go to the phone. See what you think at

575
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: eight oh three oh five point fifty one eight eight

576
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: eight five point fifty two five fifty the number to

577
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: get on board. There is an open line for you

578
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: there if you want to join us. But we lead

579
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 2: off today with Gary in Louisiana. What do you got

580
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: for us? Gary?

581
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 6: Hey, gott, how you'll do?

582
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 4: I'm good?

583
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 7: I will see weather Uther like first thing?

584
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you say? I missed that? Gary Weather?

585
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: Oh it's beautiful, like eighty five, it's perfect.

586
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's about ninety five here, okay anyway, Oh yeah,

587
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 7: well well I know a week it to be one

588
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 7: hundred and five. All right about your pull up question?

589
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, I think uh, I think Berth.

590
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 6: I hate to say it.

591
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 7: I know I have more can for the Chiefs not

592
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 7: to get him, so I would agree there, but he

593
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 7: would help us tremendously and obviously want to keep waking

594
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 7: Kansas City. Let him sign with Cleveland Detroit, then I'd

595
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 7: be happy if he doesn't sign with us.

596
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: Okay, So as long as so you might, even though

597
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 2: you you believe firmly that he could help the Bills,

598
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: if he obviously signs with Buffalo, you could be almost

599
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: equally as happy if he goes to a team not

600
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 2: name the Chiefs.

601
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, just like, oh, I'm sure you feel the

602
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 7: same way. You don't need to go to Kansas City.

603
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. There's an there's a scenario where

604
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: if he went to Kansas City, it would absolutely be

605
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: an okay thing for the rest of us who are

606
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: chasing Kansas City. It would be like this. He goes

607
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 1: in there, signs an enormous deal, puts Kansas City under

608
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 1: some cap stress, and then he goes down with an

609
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: injury early in the season, which is the scenario that

610
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: I kind of think is maybe more probable than not.

611
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: So that is the big scary thing about signing a

612
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: guy like DeAndre Hopkins paying him all the money, because

613
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: if you're paying him all the money and you get

614
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: the guy that he was five years ago, it's a

615
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: bargain because he can go, but I don't know if

616
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: he can run anymore, and I don't know if he

617
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: can stay healthy anymore. He can probably still catch, and

618
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: he's probably still get a little bit of his name

619
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: has a little cachet at least with until you start

620
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: seeing him play, if he earns it or not. But

621
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: I think the downside is that you have to invest.

622
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 1: It looks like you're gonna have to invest so much

623
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 1: to get him in the door that if he doesn't

624
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: stay healthy, you wish Kansas City would get him, so

625
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: they'd have fifteen million bucks in their cap taken and

626
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: a guy sitting on the sideline.

627
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to command that kind of money.

628
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: I really don't. I think he's He's probably looking at

629
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: more like eight or nine. I think top tops, because

630
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: I just don't think the teams that are most interested

631
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: have the money, don't give him even if he moved,

632
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 2: and they're all going to have to move somebody off

633
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: the roster to pay that kind of money unless you

634
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: structure it with avoidable years and you spread out a

635
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: signing bonus or whatever, which you could do. But you

636
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 2: continue to kick the can down the road that way,

637
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 2: and the Chiefs and the Bills are not in the

638
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: business is doing too much of that.

639
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: He's signed an agent. The agent's not gonna let him

640
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: do anything that's not top dollar. He's gonna take a

641
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: bag of money and play wherever that bag of money takes.

642
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: It unless he says not to, because even though he's

643
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: got an agent, now it's ultimately his decision.

644
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, I mean the agent works for him,

645
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: of course, but he's not gonna pay for He's not

646
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: gonna play like you're you're not playing for peanuts, you're right, Well, no,

647
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: eight nine million is peanuts.

648
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: No it's not.

649
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: That's why I'm saying it's compared to seventeen. He was

650
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 1: gonna make nineteen point four to five this year.

651
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: Well, no, he wasn't because Arizona was not going to

652
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:06,959
Speaker 2: keep him on the roster for that.

653
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,439
Speaker 1: That's what his contracts is what I'm saying. Yeah, if

654
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: nothing had changed, he was gonna make nineteen point four

655
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: to five. That's the kind of money he commanded when

656
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: he was at his best. That's a big jump going

657
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: from nineteen down to eight or nine. And somebody out

658
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: there is going to need to sell a couple of

659
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: tickets and say, if we get him, we're gonna get

660
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: a bump in our season tickets. The contract will be

661
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 1: paid for in three days. Let's get him in here

662
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: for a year and do that, and it'll be you know,

663
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: Houston Texans will give him a homecoming. The Cleveland Browns

664
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: will give him a reunion with his former quarterback. The

665
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: Bears will make a splash. You pick your team. Who cares.

666
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 1: That's what will happen. Somebody, we've seen it too many times,

667
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: is gonna give him a bag of cash and he's

668
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: gonna take it, and that here we go. That's the

669
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: way it's gonna be. That's the way it's going to be.

670
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: You are you are like resolutely convinced he's gonna take

671
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 2: the money and not the chance to win when he's

672
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: won nothing. I mean, I'm not saying he wouldn't be

673
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: he wouldn't be the first guy. But I don't know.

674
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 2: I'm very curious because we've seen what he've said. He's

675
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: said on podcasts he'd prefer to play with a you know,

676
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: super Bowl.

677
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: Nobody says back. Nobody's gonna come out there and say that.

678
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: Nobody can. No, I'm just gonna the highest bidder gets me,

679
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: all right, you know, nobody, he's.

680
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: Not then he's not playing for Buffalo Kansas City. I

681
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: don't think so, Probably not right unless I will be surprised. Now,

682
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: unless we find out later that that the interest everywhere

683
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: was not what we think there was. There was zero

684
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: teams who were willing to give him what fifteen. Well,

685
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: according to ASI dot COM's Albert Breer, the only teams

686
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: that actively engaged in trade talks with the Arizona Cardinals

687
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: were Buffalo and Kansas City when he was still on

688
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: the trade block. So the interest is.

689
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: It was also reported they couldn't either one of them

690
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: could get him to take a restructured deal. It would fit,

691
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: that is true.

692
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: So but what I'm saying is even in the exploratory phase,

693
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 2: only Buffalo and Kansas City really got down to brass

694
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 2: tacks to talk Turkey.

695
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: Well, he's It's been reported now too that when the

696
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: OBJ contract came down, well that changed. And when OBJ

697
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 1: signed for fifteen million.

698
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: Well that's when DATINGAM became impossible.

699
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: Right. D Hop said that's my number because he knew

700
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: nineteen point four to five wasn't going to happen, because

701
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: you get the end of the deal. It's like I

702
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: was injured, and like I said, fifteen, but.

703
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 2: Then a guy that didn't play last year he got fifteen.

704
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: He's like fifteen on a second.

705
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: I've been better than him and more consistent, and I've

706
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: played right. So he's but now he's played fifteen now,

707
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: the last thirty four games. The only reason OBJ didn't

708
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: play last year was because he sat out because he

709
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: got injured in the Super Bowl the year before. Yeah,

710
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 1: so he you know, he just the timing couldn't have

711
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: been worse for him, so he wasn't gonna play. So

712
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: who's got it? That's a great question. Who's got the

713
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: better leverage if in a vacuum, OBJ coming off an

714
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 1: injury or DeAndre Hopkins, who's got a huge contract has

715
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: been injured.

716
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: Timing has a lot to do with it. Also, at

717
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: this stage in the offseason, there aren't on as many

718
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 2: teams with as much cap money as you spent.

719
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: In a Yeah, in a vacuum, though, you tell me

720
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: who do you take?

721
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: If DeAndre Hopkins gets cut March seventeenth, he gets his money,

722
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 2: doesn't he? He gets his money thirty two teams in

723
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 2: the pool, he gets thirty, he gets his money. Yeah,

724
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 2: getting cut now he's.

725
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: Not gonna get his money. Yeah, at least, and you

726
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: know he's gonna get He's gonna get something. But he'd

727
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 1: still gets thirty thirty one thirty two teams coming at

728
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: him saying Okay, you can come back now for this.

729
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: So he's not I don't know, discount His money might

730
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: get discounted, no question, but he's he's not going to

731
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: get nothing.

732
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: No, Well, we'll see. I think it's going to be

733
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: I think the alarm bells are going off as to

734
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: how much the he's going to be in the command

735
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 2: this late in the game. The June first cut down

736
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: the jew Well, yeah, we'll get into that is a

737
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: big deal in the next segment. But let's get back

738
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 2: to the phones and go to Dave and Williamsville next.

739
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 2: H Dave, what do you got for us? You're on

740
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 2: one bills live.

741
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 6: Hey, guys. As far as focus on the Bills or

742
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 6: Kansas City, my focus would be more so on the Bills,

743
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 6: and I would want him on the Bills, And at

744
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 6: that point I would figure that if as long as

745
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 6: the Bills are the best that they can be, the

746
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 6: rest would take care of itself as far as the

747
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 6: player is concerned. I did like his pro his per

748
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 6: game production last year. If the injuries, if the medicals

749
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 6: don't show a high likelihood of a reinjury. I think

750
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,760
Speaker 6: because this game is not predic hated necessarily on speed,

751
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 6: I think that he could age well. And the main

752
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 6: point is I think him alongside of Diggs makes it

753
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 6: much harder for defenses the game plan in the playoffs

754
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 6: and say we're going to take out Digs because he's

755
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 6: a more proven and consistent commodity than gave Davis's in

756
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 6: my opinion. So I think from a game planning standpoint,

757
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 6: I think he might be the extra little something that

758
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 6: could maybe stifle a defensive game plan from the Cincinnatis

759
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 6: of the world.

760
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. That's that's well thought out. Dave.

761
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: I would I would tend to agree with that. Don't

762
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: don't make a mistake. Don't make no mistake. I mean,

763
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: we're not saying he wouldn't provide value to the Bills roster.

764
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: He unquestionably would. This is more of a financial decision

765
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: and in anything else for the primary teams reported to

766
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: be involved.

767
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: And it seems, because of his age and his recent past,

768
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: to be more of a risk for the team that

769
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 1: signs him. He has not stayed healthy in the last

770
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 1: two years. Well, he was out on a ped suspension

771
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: six games. He was out with a ped but he's

772
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: so so beyond that. He's missed nine the last thirty

773
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: four games. That's not horrible for a thirty year old receiver.

774
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: Well he's yeah, but he's not nine. He's not youngers,

775
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: he's even older now, all right, that's fair. I mean,

776
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 1: that's the risk though nevertheless, there is some hesitation because

777
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: when the when the in comes for some of these guys,

778
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: it comes fast.

779
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: Uh.

780
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you take the ped suspension

781
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: as a plus or a minus. It's your own opinion.

782
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: If he's if he's a ped guy, maybe the age,

783
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: maybe the age Cliff doesn't happen to him as fast

784
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: or faster. And if he had to stop and it

785
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: comes faster, then then there's the risk.

786
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: We have to take a break here, but more of

787
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 2: your phone calls when we return. We'll also discuss why

788
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: a deal hasn't happened, and yet it has something to

789
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 2: do with the NFL calendar and moving from the month

790
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 2: of May to the month of June. We'll explain next

791
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Live, presented by Collide Health, It's

792
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live.

793
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve tasking with you here on a Wednesday,

794
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: asking you would adding DeAndre Hopkins as a Bills fan

795
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 2: be more about helping the Bills or keeping him off

796
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 2: Kansas City's roster?

797
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: Can let us know?

798
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,479
Speaker 2: At eight oh three, five fifty we go to Tom

799
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 2: on the west side? Next, what do you have for us? Tom?

800
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, how you doing this happen? That's beautiful to hear. Listen,

801
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 4: I got a couple of things. First of all, it's

802
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 4: an and or. I'm looking at it as a computer analyst.

803
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 4: It's an and Doors situation. And we add him to

804
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 4: our roster and he becomes a Buffalo Bill, And yeah,

805
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 4: we're going to be a Super Bowl favorite if we

806
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 4: get him, or we give them away to Kansas City

807
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 4: or I even heard Cleveland is in the running because

808
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson openly stated that he would love to be

809
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 4: reunited with him. Now, I got one more thing, and

810
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 4: this one's more direct for Steve. Since all the football

811
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 4: players like to play golf in the off season, do

812
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 4: you think in the Pro Bowl everybody should try to

813
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 4: hit a hole in one on a part three? Okay,

814
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 4: all right, I'm gonna let you guys find of that

815
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 4: for a second and respond, all right, thank you.

816
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: Nice call, And you're right. It is and or if

817
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 1: you get if you if you get DeAndre Hopkins. The

818
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: theory isn't spin it as positive as you want. You

819
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: get better, the Chiefs get worse. Well, no, they don't

820
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: get worse. They're the same and same thing. If de

821
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: hop goes to Kansas City, you don't get worse. You

822
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: just you're the same team that you would have been

823
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: without him. So it's not like and or. All these teams,

824
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: most of them have to feel like, particularly the ones

825
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: that were in contention last year, to Kansas City's, Cincinnati's, Buffalo's,

826
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: you name it, all of Miami. All these teams feel

827
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: like they've gotten better this offseason. The Patriots feel like

828
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: they've gotten better, obviously, the Jets feel like they've gotten better.

829
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 1: All these teams come into this season thinking we're going

830
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: to be better. And if if you look at the

831
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills, they would have been significantly better had they

832
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: just not sustained a couple of injuries like one to

833
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's elbow, Von Miller's knee, Micah Hye's neck, and

834
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: not least of which Damar Hamlin's heart. So if you know,

835
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: three or four injuries with the same roster, and you

836
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: got to feel like your team would have been much

837
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,959
Speaker 1: much better a year ago. So you get these guys

838
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: back healthy, and you get draft picks, you get deeper

839
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: at other positions, you bring in upgrades of the positions

840
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: free agent wise or draft so all these teams feel

841
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: like they've gotten better already. So yeah, I the more

842
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: I talk about the DeAndre Hopkins thing and what we

843
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: would that the Bills would get and what the Kansas

844
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: City Chiefs would get or the Cleveland Browns would get,

845
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: He's not the same guy who would tip the scale

846
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: as much as he would have four or five years ago.

847
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: That's all I can say. He is not the same guy.

848
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: He's good, but when he was at his best, he

849
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: was phenomenal. Now phenomenal three years late might be really good,

850
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: but it might not be really durable. You don't know.

851
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: You can't we never. I don't know. So I'm he's

852
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: it'd be fun. It'd give us a lot of stuff

853
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: to talk about if we've got DeAndre Hopkins. I just

854
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: don't know. But Diggs is the real guy. If you

855
00:46:56,120 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: get Digs and de hop then you've got some expectations

856
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: attached to it with Gabe Davis, with Hardy, with Shorter, Shakir,

857
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: all these yeah, and Kincaid and not yeah. I mean

858
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're going, I want to see

859
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: these guys, you know, right.

860
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: The other thing to consider here, because some have asked

861
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: why hasn't something happened already? The two teams that are

862
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: widely reported to be in the hunt here, namely the

863
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 2: Bills and the Chiefs, both have tight cap situations. Neither

864
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: of them have more than three million in cap space

865
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: right now, and so you say, well, what's the hold up? Well,

866
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: the hold up is once you get past June first,

867
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: if you release a player, because both teams are going

868
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: to have to move somebody off their current roster to

869
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 2: accommodate the presumed incoming salary of DeAndre Hopkins. If you

870
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: do it after June first, you can push that money

871
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: into next year, or at least some of it, so

872
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 2: depending on the contract. So it could be an exercise

873
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 2: in calendar economics where you can push money and a

874
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 2: cap hit into next year as opposed to this year.

875
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: If you've determined we need to get DeAndre Hopkins on

876
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 2: our roster, so the other shoe could drop in a

877
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: day or two. Knowing today is the last day of May,

878
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: so just something to think about going forward. We do

879
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: have to take a break here because we're at the

880
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: top of the hour and coming up in the second

881
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 2: hour of the show, we are going to talk more

882
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: about just what kind of DeAndre Hopkins, the Bills or

883
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 2: the Chiefs or whoever lands him might be getting. To

884
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: help us with that. We will have the co host

885
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: of the Believing Cardinals podcast, Ed Smith, former NFL tight end,

886
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: joining us next here on One Bills Live presented by

887
00:48:50,440 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: Colida Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio.

888
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: This this one Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

889
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 2: Here we are an hour number two. Chris Brown, Steve

890
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,919
Speaker 2: Tasker with you and pleased to be joined in our

891
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: number two by former NFL tight end, co host of

892
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: the Believe In Cardinals podcast and host of the Easy

893
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: Sports Talk show on KTIE US ten sixty Am and Phoenix.

894
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: That is one Ed Smith joining us to talk a

895
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: little d hop as he is now available as a

896
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 2: free agent. First, Ed, thanks for joining us.

897
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 3: How you doing, I'm done great? Appreciate you guys having

898
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 3: me on run.

899
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 2: So so let's begin here because I think most people

900
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 2: would like to know, like what version of DeAndre Hopkins

901
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: could be expected if he joins their club. You know,

902
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 2: at age thirty one, we know he missed six games

903
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 2: last year with a PD suspension. Where where do you

904
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: come down on where d hop is at this point

905
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: in his career in terms of making an impact in

906
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 2: a passing game.

907
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 8: He's still in the upper echelon of wide receivers, obviously

908
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 8: not in his prime in my opinion. And then you

909
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 8: take into account the obviously the suspension for the PDS

910
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 8: last year, what role they might play with him moving forward?

911
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 8: You know, D Hop is he's a little bit of

912
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 8: a complicated man, you know, especially with his tenure out

913
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 8: here in Arizona. Is a guy who didn't particularly like

914
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 8: to practice much. But when you on the field, you know,

915
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 8: we got the best of it, you know. So it's

916
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 8: going to be a little bit of a mystery moving forward.

917
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 8: In my opinion in terms of what to expect from him,

918
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 8: I still think he's got a lot left in the tank. Obviously,

919
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 8: there's gonna be some issues with the salary. You know,

920
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 8: he might have to take a little bit of a

921
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 8: cut on that, but you know, he's still one of

922
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 8: those guys that if you have him out there in

923
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 8: your formation, he's he's gonna somebody, somebody you've got the

924
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 8: game plan for and respect.

925
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: What is the vibe around the the Arizona club, I mean,

926
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: how do they feel about having to let him go?

927
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: What was he like? What kind of culture fit was he?

928
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: Were they kind of good riddance when they let it.

929
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: I'm exaggerating, obviously they did. They didn't want to let

930
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: the guy go, but well, you know what was their

931
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: vibe about having to let the guy go because of

932
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: the contract.

933
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,479
Speaker 3: Well, we're in a total rebuild out here right now.

934
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 8: And the other issue is we have new management in

935
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 8: our GM and head coach, so they're taking over the

936
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 8: mess that was Steve Khime and Cliff Kingsbury. So you

937
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 8: know they're coming in and you're looking at this roster

938
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 8: and the moves that they've made to this point. This

939
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 8: is not And then you throw on the fact that

940
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 8: our quarterback is hurt with the ACL won't be back

941
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 8: mid season at best, and then you take into account

942
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 8: maybe they don't even play them all seasons.

943
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 3: So this season is somewhat.

944
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 8: To wash With the hop being here, it would have

945
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 8: been kind of paying like inshuring for a Rolls Royce

946
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,919
Speaker 8: when you're actually driving around in a pinto that type

947
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 8: of thing. So with you know, the thought is, hey,

948
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 8: you know, it's probably not our best instance to keep

949
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 8: him here. With letting him go, it was, you know,

950
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 8: my shock was that they didn't figure out some way

951
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 8: to trade him and get something in return. And my

952
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 8: suspicion is that teams that were interested were like, you know,

953
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 8: not really interested in that paycheck that he's gonna be getting.

954
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 3: So in releasing him, teams get a little bit of

955
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 3: a break.

956
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 8: They can you know, go out and get him as

957
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 8: a free agent and negotiate with him straight out, rather

958
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 8: than you know, making any bids for him and having

959
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 8: to pay for that huge contract.

960
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: Ed Where do you think Hopkins comes down if he's

961
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 2: forced into making a decision between getting top dollar in

962
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 2: what could be one of his last big contracts or

963
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: going somewhere where he can win but may not get

964
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 2: paid as much. We're just being around in the last

965
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: three plus years, where do you think he comes down

966
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,959
Speaker 2: on that? At this stage in his career.

967
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 8: He seems like a guy that at this stage, wants

968
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 8: to win, and you know, he's made enough money to

969
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 8: this point where it shouldn't be a major issue for him.

970
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 8: But you know, I wish I could speak for him,

971
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 8: but we all can't. It's going to come down to

972
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 8: where he kind of decides what is more important to

973
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 8: him at this stage. If it was me, you know,

974
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 8: I would say, hey, I'm going to go somewhere where

975
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 8: it's more built around the winning culture. I'd love to

976
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 8: maybe get around in my career, but who knows, you know,

977
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 8: and in his situation, it might you know, and throw

978
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 8: into account. For these last few years, he's actually represented himself,

979
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 8: so you know, he's been negotiating contracts by hisself, and

980
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 8: I think just recently he went out and got an

981
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 8: agent maybe because of some of the confusion and things that.

982
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 3: Are you know, going to face him with this.

983
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 8: Like you mentioned, last big contract, So maybe that's you know,

984
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 8: part of what he's looking for is the max out

985
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 8: and you know, maybe when he isn't that important, But

986
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 8: you know, I would think it'd probably be a mix.

987
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 8: I think if he could find a soft landing spot

988
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 8: where he could go and help them win but also

989
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 8: continue to get that you know, paid at top dollar.

990
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 8: I think that would be his his you know, his choice.

991
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 8: But obviously, as we know, it's a business, and it

992
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 8: all comes down to what teams are willing to pay

993
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 8: him and what he's willing to accept.

994
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, if there is a team out there willing to

995
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: pay him top dollar, whether they're going to ready to

996
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: win or not. Uh, that seems like the likeliest landing spot.

997
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: What do you read in the tea leaves about for

998
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: the first time in his career being signing an agent yesterday.

999
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: What are you reading that?

1000
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 8: I think, Yeah, I think that reads that he knows

1001
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 8: this is going to be a difficult you know one

1002
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 8: because Image just turned us a little bit because of

1003
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 8: the pds last year. Uh, they are going to be

1004
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 8: probably some stipulations that you know, the organizations are gonna

1005
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 8: want to put it in, maybe some some clauses or uh,

1006
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 8: what's the word, I'm looking for incentives. So maybe this

1007
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 8: is maybe above his pay grade and he might realize, hey,

1008
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 8: I might need a little help, and especially you know,

1009
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 8: we all saw what happened with Lamar Jackson, this might

1010
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 8: be a little more of a difficult situation to do

1011
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 8: by hisself. So he probably looked at it and thought, hey,

1012
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 8: let me go ahead and get some help on this one.

1013
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 3: This might be my last shot at that big contract.

1014
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 8: And instead of doing it his self, as I said,

1015
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 8: especially with all the extending, extending circumstances, he probably thought

1016
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 8: he might need a little help on this one.

1017
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: We've also, you know, kind of read reports and seeing

1018
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: things that when things aren't perfect, he can turn a

1019
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 2: little sour sometimes and be difficult to deal with. I'm curious,

1020
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 2: you know, this guy has always been the top dog,

1021
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 2: you know, the top of the pecking order at the

1022
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: receiver position on whatever team he's played for. That would

1023
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: change if he goes to Buffalo, And I'm just wondering,

1024
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 2: you know, if he's wrapped his head around where he

1025
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 2: is at at this point in his career, and if

1026
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 2: he'd be okay being a second fiddle to someone like

1027
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 2: a Stefan Dicks.

1028
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 8: Absolutely, and the other thing that DeAndrea is famous for,

1029
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 8: he does not like to practice. And you know, over

1030
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 8: the last couple of years, especially here in Arizona, I

1031
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 8: was like, I'm marveled at how he was able to

1032
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 8: kind of dictate that and going to a new organization,

1033
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 8: as you mentioned, he won't be the top dog, and

1034
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 8: he will also be expected to get out there and

1035
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 8: do some of the things that.

1036
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 3: He probably doesn't like to do.

1037
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 8: Practice, and as you mentioned, be second fiddle, and that

1038
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 8: happens when father time starts to catch up with you.

1039
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 8: We all have to make those decisions and be humbled

1040
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 8: a little bit. And maybe you know this. In my opinion,

1041
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 8: I think with the humbling and kind of things the

1042
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 8: way they've kind of transpired with him getting released by

1043
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 8: the Cardinals, the next team might benefit from that, meaning

1044
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 8: he might have something in his mind to prove. And also,

1045
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 8: you know, teams are looking for him to step up

1046
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 8: a little more, so you might get a better version

1047
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 8: of him that you've even had in the last couple

1048
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 8: of years here. I do think he is that type

1049
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 8: of dude that will rally instead of you know, turning

1050
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 8: and being even more difficult. I think he'll rally. So

1051
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 8: whatever team lands him, I think you're probably going to

1052
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 8: get an even better version than the Cardinals have gotten

1053
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 8: over the last couple of years.

1054
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: What has been the most telling sign of DeAndre Hopkins

1055
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: turn in thirty? Has there been any.

1056
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 8: You know, with the way things have gone the last

1057
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 8: couple years here in Atlanta or Arizona. We did have

1058
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 8: that playoff season a couple of years ago, but this

1059
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 8: past season it was like not not only did DeAndre

1060
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 8: take a few steps back, and obviously he started off

1061
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 8: with the PD suspension, the whole team everything just it

1062
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 8: just seemed like it just crumbled. And you know, with DeAndre,

1063
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 8: it was almost like we expected more of them, and

1064
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 8: then even towards the end of the year when things

1065
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 8: were really getting tough and all of a sudden, I'm

1066
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 8: not gonna say phantom injury, but at the end of

1067
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 8: the season, all of a sudden, he's dinged for the

1068
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 8: last couple of games, and it was a little disappointing

1069
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 8: that he didn't want to ride it out and get

1070
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 8: out there.

1071
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 3: And finish out the season.

1072
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 8: So, you know, I just think it's been the last

1073
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 8: season was really just it's just been that bad. And

1074
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 8: hopefully for us out here in Arizona, we're looking to

1075
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 8: rebound that it's not gonna be a good season this year,

1076
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 8: but the organization hopefully is heading in the right direction

1077
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 8: by hiring Monte Austen for it again. But as far

1078
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 8: as DeAndre, like I said, I think the best thing

1079
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 8: for him is to put on some different colors this

1080
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:05,439
Speaker 8: coming season and and go try. It's almost like a

1081
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 8: pr thing for him, go out there and do better

1082
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 8: for himself and whatever organization he's playing for. But I

1083
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 8: s as I mentioned earlier, whoever gets him, you're still

1084
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 8: you're still getting one of those receivers that is in.

1085
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 3: The top five to ten out there. So he still

1086
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 3: has the ability.

1087
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,520
Speaker 8: I think just his experience here, the way it ended

1088
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 8: with the Cardinals, you know, kind of left a little

1089
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 8: bad stain on him, But I think he can he

1090
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 8: can watch that off.

1091
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 2: Talking with Ed Smith, former NFL tight end co host

1092
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 2: of The Believing Cardinals podcast, and Ed, I don't know,

1093
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: like you're kind of painting this picture about him and

1094
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 2: his daily habits, his weekly habits. You know when you

1095
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: see the C on his chest and it's like, well,

1096
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: hold on a second, Like, is a captain a guy

1097
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 2: that doesn't like to practice or maybe Fane's injury at

1098
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 2: the end of the season when the team's out of

1099
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 2: the playoffs. How surprised are you that, knowing that about

1100
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 2: him and his work ethic, that the Cardinal's name to

1101
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 2: him a captain? Does that just speak to how backwards

1102
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 2: everything was under the previous.

1103
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 8: Regime absolutely, you know, and you know, no no offense

1104
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 8: to Cliff Kingsbury, but he wasn't running a type ship

1105
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 8: ship out here and over to his tenure. I just

1106
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 8: kept screaming about his leadership and how he kind of

1107
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 8: let the even some of the players kind of dictate

1108
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 8: things and run things.

1109
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 3: And that was just another example of it.

1110
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 8: You had a guy in DeAndre Hopkins, and then you know,

1111
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 8: it was really evident. And you know, if anybody even

1112
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 8: wanted to watch the Hard Knocks episodes from last year,

1113
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 8: you know, you could see how players were, you.

1114
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 3: Know, and you know, you know and nasty.

1115
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 8: We come from a day when you know, and I

1116
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 8: be that old dude, but you know, when we ran

1117
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 8: practice it was like snap. It was you know, horn

1118
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 8: was on and we were sprinting to next spots and

1119
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 8: different things like that. You know, just in it was

1120
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 8: evident in watching how Seingsbury ran even his practices where

1121
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 8: it was so laxa day's goal, laid back, guys were

1122
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 8: just standing around and then like I said, you put

1123
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 8: a seat on somebody's chest who's not even out there practicing.

1124
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 8: That says a whole lot about how you know, things

1125
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 8: are being run around here, so it you know.

1126
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 3: It's definitely gonna be good to see things.

1127
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 8: Done a different way here, And as you mentioned, it

1128
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 8: was a little confusing as we came down the stretch.

1129
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 8: I do think DeAndre, like I said, it could be

1130
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 8: a blessing that all these things have happened to him,

1131
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 8: meaning the suspension, the way things came down at the

1132
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 8: end of last year, him being released instead of traded.

1133
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 8: He's going to be on the mission to redeem himself.

1134
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 8: So I do think you'll see a different version of him.

1135
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 8: But what we saw here the last you know, especially

1136
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 8: last season, was not indicative of a guy who you know,

1137
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 8: garners his you know, respect and everything. And you know,

1138
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 8: like I said, being a captain on.

1139
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: A team, what would be, in your opinion, having seen

1140
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 1: him for the last three and a half years, what

1141
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: would be the type of situation that would be perfect

1142
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:57,280
Speaker 1: for him to land in.

1143
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 8: I do think think it would be a Bills uh

1144
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 8: into a Chiefs someone a team that needs that last

1145
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 8: piece uh that and and also has some other veterans

1146
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 8: on the team that he can gel with.

1147
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 3: I don't think he said like if he.

1148
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 8: Was to go to a team that he's the dude,

1149
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 8: and you know, I got a bunch of other guys

1150
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 8: looking up to him. I don't know if that's the

1151
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 8: perfect role for him, because he could backslide into some

1152
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 8: of his old ways. Whereas you send him to a

1153
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 8: team like the Bills, where it's already established, you've got

1154
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 8: a quarterback who is not going to take any flat

1155
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 8: but also uh, you know, has earned his stripes as well.

1156
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 8: I do think you plug and as far as plug

1157
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 8: and play, he's one of those guys you can take him,

1158
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 8: put him into a great situation as long as, like

1159
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 8: I said, you have also leadership as far as coaching

1160
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 8: and other players that can make sure they hold him accountable.

1161
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 8: I think he's perfect for that type of situation. And

1162
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 8: you know, being where one of the possible destinations being

1163
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 8: the Bills, I think you guys would be a ideal

1164
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 8: a spot for him.

1165
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 3: And his talent.

1166
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 2: And thanks for the time, man. We appreciate you giving

1167
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 2: us some here and lending some insight into DeAndre and

1168
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 2: what he's about at this stage in his career.

1169
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 3: Thanks much, Thanks, Ed, you got it anytime. You guys.

1170
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 3: Keep up great work, man, all right, you got me on.

1171
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 2: That's Ed Smith co host Believing Cardinals podcast, former NFL

1172
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 2: tight end and kind of lending some insight as to

1173
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: just what kind of receiver DeAndre Hopkins is at this

1174
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 2: stage of his career. Thinks Hill thinks he might be

1175
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: interested in winning overtaking.

1176
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: Those of anybody who was like, there's a little bit

1177
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,959
Speaker 1: of a chilling effect there considering it. You know, things

1178
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 1: were not going well in Arizona last year. It crumbled,

1179
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: they fired their head coaches, GM's gone, it was a

1180
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: dumpster fire. I don't think you can look at that

1181
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: and completely get one hundred percent of what DeAndre Hopkins

1182
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: has to give from that situation.

1183
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: Hard to be the best version of yourself in Arizona.

1184
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: Last year, exactly, That is exactly it. I'm not so

1185
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here going, man, that doesn't sound all that

1186
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,640
Speaker 1: good to get a guy like that, and maybe he's not,

1187
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 1: but putting my taking a minute as a former player

1188
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: and going back and putting myself in that position. Yeah,

1189
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: that's that's about what I would have done too. It is.

1190
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 1: It's impossible too. It's almost impossible to relay the emotions

1191
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: that go into that because you got a team that's

1192
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,160
Speaker 1: trying to get ready to win. You're going to go

1193
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 1: into a physical confrontation every week where you know there's

1194
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:44,880
Speaker 1: a chance you're gonna get hurt, and I mean at

1195
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 1: least be in pain because you get bumped or hit

1196
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: or tackled or knocked over or blocked or whatever, or

1197
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 1: make a block or a tackle. And you kind of

1198
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: got to get your head around that. It's you're gonna

1199
01:04:55,840 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: be in a physical confrontation with some other dudes. And

1200
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: when you're out there practicing or watching practice in this case,

1201
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: and there's so much going on, loose ship, kind of

1202
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 1: a not buttoned up organization. The head coach is kind

1203
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: of an offensive play caller, kind of wants to do

1204
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: that and doesn't really have the you know, the edges

1205
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 1: trimmed up. You know, you're like going, dude, we need this.

1206
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,680
Speaker 1: You look around and you think this needs to change.

1207
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: That needs You know, this guy needs to be a

1208
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: little you know, you need to say something to this guy.

1209
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: Somebody needs to say something to that guy. Somebody needs

1210
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 1: to say something to that position group. Somebody needs to

1211
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:34,919
Speaker 1: you know, that guy needs to pick it up a hair.

1212
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 1: And you see all that stuff going on, It's like

1213
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: and I'm going to go out there and take some

1214
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: guy on over this. It sounds simple, but man, oh man,

1215
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: week twelve, week fourteen, head coach gone or whatever about

1216
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: to be gone, or you can tell you've read read

1217
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 1: the newspapers and then and you know where. Man, listen,

1218
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: I want to get through this in one piece, first

1219
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: and foremost, and once you get into that mind frame,

1220
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: you're done. You're done. I don't want to practice. I

1221
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: just get me to the game, get me through the game,

1222
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 1: get me to the end of this season, and I'm

1223
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 1: gonna let them shake it out and try and get

1224
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: better at levels that are above my pay grade, even

1225
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: though I'm making nineteen point four five million dollars a year.

1226
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,439
Speaker 1: So that's it's a bad scene when you get into

1227
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: a bad, unhealthy locker room where the head coach is

1228
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,960
Speaker 1: fighting with the GM or or I don't know that

1229
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: that happened out there, but you see, you get the idea,

1230
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: the discord that's happening when it starts to fall apart

1231
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: around you and you're expected to perform at a high level. Man, yeah,

1232
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: I get it. I get it.

1233
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 2: Would adding DeAndre Hopkins be more about helping the bills

1234
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 2: or more about keeping them off of Kansas City's roster.

1235
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 2: Let's go back to the phones and to Richard and

1236
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 2: Ronde Cooin, who's been waiting patiently. What do you got

1237
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: for us?

1238
01:06:52,600 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 9: Richard, Well, I'm looking at the schedule this year, which

1239
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 9: you we need all the help when you get this

1240
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 9: is no pushover or even You've got a good team,

1241
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 9: and if Hopkins can win a game or two, help

1242
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 9: win a game or two, it's worth an awful lot.

1243
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, Richard, it is a challenging schedule this year.

1244
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 2: The Bills have the seventh most difficult schedule based on

1245
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 2: last year's opponents winning percentage. Even if you use some

1246
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 2: of the modern analytics which assess roster strength of schedule

1247
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: based on more advanced principles that go beyond last year's

1248
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 2: one lost record of the opponents, it's still in the

1249
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: top five for being the toughest one of the tougher

1250
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 2: schedules in the league this year. So, yeah, your point's

1251
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 2: well taken. You want all the help you can get

1252
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 2: when you're playing a tough enough schedule of opponents, but

1253
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 2: that changes week to week.

1254
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 1: As we have seen in a vacuum, good players make

1255
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: you better, and even if you just plugged Andre Hopkins

1256
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: in and the guy at the bottom of the receiver list,

1257
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: whoever that might be, gets kicked off. You're better just

1258
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: because the guy's a better player than the guy you released.

1259
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: You know, schematically, de hop has proven he has the

1260
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 1: ability to play a number of different positions, be effective

1261
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: anywhere on the field. Move him anywhere you want. Get

1262
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: the ball, you just throw the ball at him, he

1263
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: catches it, Let's go. He's one of those guys. The

1264
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: risk is a the money. What are you gonna have

1265
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: to pay to get him in the door? And two

1266
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 1: can he stay healthy through seventeen games now not seventeen

1267
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 1: games theoretically twenty twenty one games? You want to get

1268
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,440
Speaker 1: him to the playoffs and help you when you That's

1269
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: that's the Holy grail. You know't care if he plays

1270
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: good weeks one through eight and then gets hurt. You

1271
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 1: need the guy weeks twelve through twenty two. You know

1272
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,840
Speaker 1: you want him healthy for the Super Bowl parade, Rose leave.

1273
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,200
Speaker 1: So that's that's what you're risking for the parade. It

1274
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: sit them up in a truck and wait, it's the money.

1275
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 1: It's the money, and it's the fun, and it's the

1276
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: fun it's the money and the risk of him getting hurt.

1277
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: That's what it is. So Okay, he'll help you at

1278
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: least a little at some point, but I ain't gonna

1279
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:22,200
Speaker 1: pay ten million bucks for a guy that plays six games.

1280
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 2: I think the other dynamic here that we haven't even

1281
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 2: touched on as it pertains to the bills anyway, is

1282
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 2: this is this is a coaching staff and an organization

1283
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 2: that is deeply invested in player development. We've seen it

1284
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 2: here with a number of different examples over the years

1285
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 2: under McDermott and Bean, and I have to believe knowing

1286
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 2: the investment that they make in young players to make

1287
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 2: them and get them better. That is part of the

1288
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 2: discussion here too, because if Hopkins is on the roster,

1289
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:01,240
Speaker 2: he's getting snaps and he's getting targe. It's that that

1290
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,959
Speaker 2: is inevitably going to compromise the development of younger players

1291
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 2: at the position. Whether it's Khalil Shakir, whether it's you

1292
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:14,440
Speaker 2: know Shorter, whoever else you want to name, their development

1293
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 2: is going to be compromised by his presence on the rosters.

1294
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 2: So now you have to ask the question, Yes, he

1295
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:23,839
Speaker 2: makes us better, but is it better enough to justify

1296
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 2: the cost of what we're robbing ourselves of, which is

1297
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: development of player X, who we really think can be

1298
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,679
Speaker 2: something in a year. Well, have we stunted his growth

1299
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,759
Speaker 2: to now where he won't be helping us after DeAndre

1300
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:35,719
Speaker 2: is long gone?

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01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 6: Right?

1302
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 2: If you know what I'm saying.

1303
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Just bringing him here.

1304
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 2: That has to be discussed, right.

1305
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely, Now, there's nothing that says those guys are

1306
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,759
Speaker 1: gonna are not gonna get better even if they're DeAndre

1307
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:50,640
Speaker 1: Hopkins is not in the building, because they're gonna have

1308
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: to play six days a week. Even if they don't

1309
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,600
Speaker 1: play on Sundays, they're gonna be practicing. They're gonna be

1310
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 1: on the practice squad. They're gonna be working trying to

1311
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 1: get better. But there's nothing like game reps as a

1312
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: measuring stick. Not only does for the coaches to see, hey,

1313
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: what do we need to develop this guy, but also

1314
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: the guy himself gets on the field and says, man,

1315
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: I ain't ready for this or I want more. I'm

1316
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 1: gonna do whatever it takes so I get more reps

1317
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,840
Speaker 1: like this because this is awesome. And I felt like

1318
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: that as a player when I finally got a chance

1319
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 1: to play wide receiver. It was a It's a blast

1320
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: because you actually get a play all the time special teams.

1321
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: You play one play at a time. Come off the

1322
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: field and sit down and drink some gatorade. But when

1323
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: you got down in distance, these guys get on the

1324
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: field and they get into a rhythm. They start playing

1325
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:36,479
Speaker 1: and it starts to feel good, and they start to

1326
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: look at the quarter and it starts to get nice

1327
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: and normal to them and they start to pick it up.

1328
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 1: It's a great spot to be in as a young player.

1329
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 1: But man, oh man, that's a big jump. Getting on

1330
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: the field on a regular basis in an NFL game

1331
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: ahead of the rest of the guys on the roster.

1332
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 1: That's a big leap. And you're right having a guy

1333
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: like DeAndre Hopkins, if he's healthy, he's ahead of you. Period.

1334
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: He's not sitting down right, And everybody has to weigh

1335
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 1: those options, the coaching staff, the players and what they

1336
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 1: mean all of that. So it's you're right it when

1337
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:19,479
Speaker 1: you get down into the nuts and bolts of it.

1338
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 1: That's what coaching and football and being on a team

1339
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: is all about. You got these dynamics that work about

1340
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:27,679
Speaker 1: what a great player or formerly great player even means

1341
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: to the dynamics of who plays and who doesn't win,

1342
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:36,519
Speaker 1: and how it's big. This this Hopkins thing has got

1343
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: a lot of legs. Yeah, it's got a lot of

1344
01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 1: legs and a lot of layers to it. It's going

1345
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: to be really interesting to watch it play out.

1346
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 2: We have to step aside here, but we are still

1347
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 2: taking phone calls. At eight O three oh five fifty

1348
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 2: one eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty. Would

1349
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 2: adding DeAndre Hopkins be more about helping the Bills or

1350
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 2: just keeping him off Kansas City's roster? You let us

1351
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 2: know at aighto three oh five fifty one eighty eight

1352
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 2: five fifty two five point fifty. We'll get over to

1353
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 2: the tweet sheet to get some comments from there as well.

1354
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,760
Speaker 2: Here on one Bill's Live presented by Colida Health, It's

1355
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:17,639
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills Radio. Would adding DeAndre Hopkins be more about

1356
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 2: helping the Bills or keeping him off that Kansas City roster?

1357
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:21,760
Speaker 2: You let us know at eight O three to zero

1358
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 2: five point fifty one eight eight eight five fifty two

1359
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 2: five fifty the number to get on board. You've got

1360
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 2: an open line for you there. Wanted to dive into

1361
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 2: the tweet sheet, though, while we wait for you to

1362
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 2: call us up, and tweet sheet is always brought to

1363
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 2: you by Corgan Moving Systems, the official equipment moving company

1364
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 2: of the Buffalo Bills, and tarro leads us off with

1365
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 2: the following, it's about helping Buffalo. If he goes to KC,

1366
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 2: it'll be like they never lost somebody. The caliber of

1367
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 2: Hill and their offense was more or less the same

1368
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 2: with and without him. That's not a slight against the

1369
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 2: wide receiver. It's a testament to the Kansas City system.

1370
01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it.

1371
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 2: We does he help more if he's on their roster?

1372
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 2: Does he help Kansas City more? Or does he help

1373
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 2: Buffalo more? Do you think.

1374
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: That's hard to say it? It is right, it's hard

1375
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: to say.

1376
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 2: They're they're talking in Kansas City like Kadarius Tony is

1377
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 2: going to be their number one receiver, which I think

1378
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 2: is risky. They're depending on sky Moore to take another step.

1379
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 2: He did look good at the end of last year,

1380
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 2: played really well in the playoffs, so I don't think

1381
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:33,040
Speaker 2: that's outlandish. And you still have Marquez Valdez Scantling, who

1382
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: I think at his best is a stretch the field guy.

1383
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 2: That plays on the outside and not much else.

1384
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always looked too at the culture and if

1385
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 1: you look at it, the culture.

1386
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,639
Speaker 2: Wise, and they have Kelsey right the chief, that guy.

1387
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 1: You know, the chiefs kind of don't care if a

1388
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 1: guy has a checkered past. They kind of have those

1389
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 1: guys a lot. So all the stuff we've been talking

1390
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: about DeAndre Hopkins about he didn't like to practice, look

1391
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,640
Speaker 1: like he was lingering a little bit at the end

1392
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,080
Speaker 1: of last year in Arizona, although that ship was on

1393
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,120
Speaker 1: fire and was sinking anyway, so it's hard to hold

1394
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 1: that against him. But however, he does have that reputation.

1395
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 1: He is the guy a little bit. No, he's the

1396
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: guy that everybody accused Stefan Diggs of being before he

1397
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: left Minnesota. So he seems to be a cultural fit

1398
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: more in Kansas City than he does in Buffalo, where

1399
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: they've got guys like that or have had them in

1400
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: the past. That doesn't mean that exactly what Ed Smith

1401
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: a tight end, former tight end in the NFL and

1402
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: now the believe Arizona cart We had him on the

1403
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: last segment. He said, you know, this is kind of

1404
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 1: the Buffalo is kind of the fit where he would

1405
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,760
Speaker 1: fit in solid veteran. He wouldn't have to be the

1406
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: lead dog. Have guys who show in the ropes, strong leadership,

1407
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: strong coach, buttoned up at the edges. You know what

1408
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,560
Speaker 1: I mean. Gott, you got things you gotta do, You

1409
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: gotta process that we follow here. Let's go get on board.

1410
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: Might be it would no doubt be good for him,

1411
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: but would he subject himself to it? That's a real question.

1412
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go back to the phones and to Mark

1413
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 2: in West Seneca. What do you got for us?

1414
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 9: Mark?

1415
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 2: Here on one Bill's Live.

1416
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 10: Hey Brownie a Steve, how are you doing today?

1417
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 2: Good?

1418
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 1: Good?

1419
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 10: I think you guys started to touch on it a

1420
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 10: little bit. The first thing that came to my mind

1421
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 10: when all of this de hop stuff started eating up

1422
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 10: was this is a decision that is not made in

1423
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 10: a vacuum. And the first thing that came to my

1424
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 10: mind is, well, we have your field and Hardy, who

1425
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 10: we've committed cap dollars to. We have two fifth rounders,

1426
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 10: one from last year, one from this year that in

1427
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 10: essence where you drafted them, You've committed to bring these

1428
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 10: guys in, developing them. And what happens if they start

1429
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:49,920
Speaker 10: showing they deserve some opportunity and play on game day.

1430
01:16:50,439 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 10: You still have Digs, you still have Knocks, who are

1431
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 10: alpha dogs in my opinion, who are going to demand

1432
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,759
Speaker 10: their receptions. You got Gabe Davis, who's right there underneath

1433
01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 10: both them, who, if you're loyal to your players, hopefully

1434
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 10: has a bounce back year. And then on top of

1435
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 10: all of that, not even mentioning Kinkaid, when they decided

1436
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:14,919
Speaker 10: to make that pick, they obviously had thought about changing

1437
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 10: the offense or going to different sets that they have

1438
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 10: never really done or committed to in the past. Now

1439
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 10: you bring a guy like d hopin that at the

1440
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 10: very least is going to curtail.

1441
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 4: Some of that.

1442
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 10: If you're deciding to do something like this and I

1443
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 10: don't want them to get to a point where that

1444
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,880
Speaker 10: draft pick is then moot that it isn't going to

1445
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:42,320
Speaker 10: be used extensively enough to really see what you got.

1446
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 10: So all of these things added up, and then on

1447
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 10: top of it, add on what you guys just talked

1448
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 10: about character wise, which in my estimation sort of surprisingly

1449
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 10: doesn't eliminate him as a built from the get go.

1450
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,679
Speaker 10: I'm not too sure this is a good end ideal

1451
01:18:00,760 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 10: at all.

1452
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:01,639
Speaker 6: Ideas.

1453
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 10: I don't know what you guys think of that opinion,

1454
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 10: but that's where I'm at, so appreciate it.

1455
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 4: Guys.

1456
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 1: Thanks Mark, you're right here. Here's the thing too, if

1457
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 1: if d Hop, if they do call d Hop and

1458
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:14,840
Speaker 1: he starts to it starts to take shape, they'll be

1459
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 1: quick to say, here's what we envision you being for us.

1460
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: If you're okay with that, then let's sign it. But

1461
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,479
Speaker 1: if not, we've got this hot. We've got a young

1462
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: tight end. We're gonna do some twelve personnel this year. Uh,

1463
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna be at or above where Gabe Davis has

1464
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 1: been in this offense. I don't know if you're gonna

1465
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: start in front of him and you're gonna compete with

1466
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: him to play. We've got hearts, all that stuff, that stuff.

1467
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 1: His role will be ironed out before he gets here.

1468
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 1: They're not gonna change their vision for what the offense

1469
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 1: needs to go. Because d Hop signs here, he gets

1470
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: added into the vision. So it's not gonna They don't

1471
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: have to derail their Dalton Kincaid plans or their or

1472
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: their Hardy the Deontae Hardy plans, or you know, the

1473
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,719
Speaker 1: Shakir plans. Or Stefan Diggs. None of that stuff gets derailed.

1474
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: D hop gets added into it. So there's that for

1475
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 1: the first thing. And second thing is, you know, we

1476
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: talk about it a lot like if DeAndre Hopkins comes

1477
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 1: to Buffalo, and Ed Smith said in the last thing,

1478
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: don't worry about him exploding the culture. You know we're

1479
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about, makes it seem like a bigger deal.

1480
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,360
Speaker 1: I don't think the guy is a bad guy at all.

1481
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: I think his teammates like him. I think they play

1482
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: hard with him.

1483
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 2: The culture here is strong enough they just absorb it.

1484
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: They would they would. I think he would fit in here.

1485
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 1: And I think a guy like de hop now certainly

1486
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 1: it's got it's on him, but he could thrive in

1487
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: a joint like this. I don't know if that he's

1488
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 1: ever had a culture in the pros as good as

1489
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: it is here in Buffalo. I don't know that it

1490
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 1: was that good in Houston with Bill O'Brien, and I

1491
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 1: know it wasn't in Arizona. But I think it might

1492
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 1: be a breath of fresh air that he really here

1493
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 1: and he might flourish, at least culturally.

1494
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 2: Might flourish the structure.

1495
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:10,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So there's that opportunity or possibility as well. So,

1496
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: and I'll say it is it's as as basic as this.

1497
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 1: A good DeAndre Hopkins, even at this age, is still

1498
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: a very good player, and good players make you better.

1499
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 1: So he would help the Bills, particularly if he stays

1500
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,679
Speaker 1: healthy for seventeen games. If he's got all that, he'll

1501
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 1: evolve into a larger role just because of his production.

1502
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 2: Jack on the tweets sheet says, this is a chicken

1503
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 2: or the egg conversation. Helping Allen and Buffalo's offense makes

1504
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 2: us better to beat the Chiefs and keep them from

1505
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 2: adding another stud from a homes to beat us with.

1506
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 2: To b case, you may have to run a track meet,

1507
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 2: and the more weapons you have, the better off you

1508
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 2: are get it done. We do know what the prevailing

1509
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:59,599
Speaker 2: conversation was at the end of the playoff run last season.

1510
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 1: You need some guys.

1511
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 2: You got to keep up on offense. Your defense could

1512
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 2: be one of the best in the league, which Buffalo's

1513
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 2: was statistically, and it didn't mean a hill of beans

1514
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,719
Speaker 2: when it came to the playoffs. You gotta score points.

1515
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 2: And so the prevailing opinion for Bills fans and even

1516
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,759
Speaker 2: for us was you've got to load up on offense

1517
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 2: so you can keep pace or if not, boat race

1518
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 2: them and win the race.

1519
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 1: It's right you that was way I think we're talking

1520
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: about two months ago. I think that's where we're at.

1521
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:35,680
Speaker 1: If they you know, if they score on you, if

1522
01:21:35,720 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 1: they've got a good defense, it didn't get it shouldn't matter,

1523
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 1: It can't matter. You gotta you gotta load up, and

1524
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta boat race these guys in this

1525
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 1: at the AFC. That's the trend where the league is headed.

1526
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,600
Speaker 1: That's why you drafted tight end like Kincaid and you

1527
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:53,040
Speaker 1: sign all these guys, and you try and get faster guys,

1528
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,600
Speaker 1: and get offensive catch guys, and you go in and

1529
01:21:56,640 --> 01:22:00,080
Speaker 1: get a big offensive line, more athletic offensive line, all

1530
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: of that stuff. They've had a top five defense over

1531
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,719
Speaker 1: the last four years and it's gotten them nothing except

1532
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 1: a nice ranking at the end of the year. It's

1533
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:13,880
Speaker 1: you get to Kansas City. You don't care if they do.

1534
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 1: You don't let them run up and down the field.

1535
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:17,480
Speaker 1: But all you need to do is a tip interception

1536
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:22,160
Speaker 1: or pass. You know, Greg Rousseau had a tipped pass

1537
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 1: in the regular season his rookie season, against Mahomes in

1538
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 1: the regular season tipped pass interception, he took off running,

1539
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: he got tackled right away. People forget about that. That's

1540
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,320
Speaker 1: what That's a defense you need in Kansas City. You

1541
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 1: don't need a stifling run defense.

1542
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 2: A takeaway defense that gets extra possessions for your offense.

1543
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:42,200
Speaker 1: You need a tackle for lost defense, and a sack

1544
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 1: defense and a turnover defense. I don't need a no

1545
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 1: yards you know, a two point five yards per rush defense.

1546
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 2: Nobody runs the ball defense.

1547
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 1: You don't need a bend but don't break defense. You

1548
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 1: need a defense. It's like, oh, tipped interception, huh, there

1549
01:22:56,040 --> 01:22:58,559
Speaker 1: you go, and we had you had six guys running open,

1550
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 1: but we got the ball. Yeah, that's kind of what

1551
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: you need. A little bit of good fortune. I get

1552
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 1: all that, but you need some playmakers. In my opinion,

1553
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: I think now, I don't know how you scheme for that.

1554
01:23:09,640 --> 01:23:13,120
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about that. But they got a

1555
01:23:13,160 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 1: new defensive coordinator. They're gonna have a new guy call

1556
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 1: him plays. And this is a defense that was very

1557
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: very very good, but very unspectacular. There wasn't a playmaking

1558
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,759
Speaker 1: defense that would be nice.

1559
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 2: David on the tweet sheet says KC doesn't need him

1560
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 2: or any major receiver to be a threat. Reid, Mahomes,

1561
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 2: and Kelsey so long as they're there, Case needs only

1562
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 2: role players. Buffalo doesn't need him either, as two alpha

1563
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:46,880
Speaker 2: wide receivers can sometimes be too much. If Kinkaid can

1564
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 2: be that safety blanket and middle threat, you're done.

1565
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:52,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1566
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 2: Now you're hoping for a lot from a rookie, and

1567
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 2: I'm not saying kid kid isn't capable of it. I

1568
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,599
Speaker 2: have high home for Kincaid as well, but we've seen

1569
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 2: rookies get in corporated into this offense or defense very

1570
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 2: methodically drips and drabs. Yeah, it's a slow drip. It

1571
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 2: is not a flow. Does it change because Kincaid shows

1572
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 2: you so much in training camp in the preseason that

1573
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 2: you have no choice but to put him out there

1574
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 2: because he is showing it be that much of a

1575
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 2: difference that could happen, But those examples have been few

1576
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 2: and far between in the McDermott era. So to automatically

1577
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:38,040
Speaker 2: assume that that's gonna happen and he's gonna catch sixty

1578
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 2: seventy balls. Look, in two years, I think Kinkaid's an

1579
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,600
Speaker 2: eighty catch a year guy, is that happening in his

1580
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 2: rookie year that I'm not so certain about?

1581
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: Right, That's right, I'm we don't know what this offense

1582
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 1: is gonna look like. Second year of Ken Dorsey, new

1583
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:59,719
Speaker 1: tight end toy ripped me. Maybe some different personnel combinations

1584
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 1: that we've had, James Cook coming out of the backfield,

1585
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 1: Jhonte Hardy, Davis Diggs, knocks all these guys. It's a

1586
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:13,280
Speaker 1: new mix of skill position players plus a new offensive

1587
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: line as well or some some important pieces in the

1588
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 1: offensive line. We don't know what all this is going

1589
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 1: to look like. And Ken Dorsey said it yesterday and

1590
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,680
Speaker 1: it was talked about a lot in the media. They

1591
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 1: don't know what dalton Kin Kid's going to give him yet.

1592
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 1: They're still finding out about him and it's going to

1593
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: take them. It takes time, but you know, the early

1594
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 1: returns are this guy is going to get a chance

1595
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 1: to see the field if he does. You know, I don't,

1596
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 1: I don't. This is you know, you need the guy

1597
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,679
Speaker 1: to have targets. You gotta find it out and get

1598
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:47,040
Speaker 1: him the ball as well as your number one guy

1599
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:50,720
Speaker 1: in digs. The more guys that can match up with

1600
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:52,719
Speaker 1: the better and de hop has always been a matchup

1601
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 1: guy and our you know, our conversation today is you know,

1602
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,040
Speaker 1: what do you think the guy? If the guy comes

1603
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 1: in and can play nobody, he's gonna squawk, squawk. If

1604
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 1: somebody's gotta sit down. You can't add him to all

1605
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 1: those guys on the field. You can only play eleven guys.

1606
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 1: So somebody will sit down, d hops In. Is he

1607
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 1: better than the guy you sat down?

1608
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 2: Yes?

1609
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: Most probably so, no question about it. Get him on

1610
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:18,719
Speaker 1: the field and then see what they can do. There's

1611
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 1: no question. It's coming down to the risk involved and

1612
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 1: the money you got to put in.

1613
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 2: Break time for us here when we come back, some

1614
01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 2: final thoughts on the sweets sheet. Maybe squeeze into phone

1615
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 2: call as well. Here on One Bills Live, presented by

1616
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 2: Colida hell F It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Back here on

1617
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 2: one Bill's Live. Let's jump back into the phone squeeze

1618
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 2: a phone call in from Dave and Florida. What do

1619
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 2: you got for us?

1620
01:26:53,760 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 11: Dave, Hi, guys doing today good? Just one question? Switch

1621
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 11: if you could, it's imaginary. If you could switch Josh

1622
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:10,639
Speaker 11: Allen with Pat Mahomes, switch teams. Now you've got Deann

1623
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 11: Hopkins wants to play here or there? Which way would

1624
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:16,280
Speaker 11: you rather take?

1625
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:18,680
Speaker 2: Well, you're taking and I.

1626
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 11: Think you'd rather take Hopkins and Josh writ in Buffalo,

1627
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 11: wouldn't you?

1628
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 2: Well, you're taking Andy Reid out of the equation, who

1629
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 2: I think has to be a factor here to be

1630
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 2: quite honest. I mean, he's one of the best. He's

1631
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 2: probably arguably the best play caller of his generation of coaches.

1632
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,639
Speaker 2: So that that's kind of a tough That's a tough

1633
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 2: hypothetical for me because you're taking a big factor out

1634
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 2: of it in my estimation, right, and.

1635
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 11: I'm trying to put the factor into it is what

1636
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 11: I'm trying to do. Yeah, but that's all I got, Guys,

1637
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 11: I know you got to wrap it up.

1638
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:54,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, no problem.

1639
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,479
Speaker 1: That's a tough one for me, Dave, That's a good question.

1640
01:27:57,560 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 2: It's a tough one for me.

1641
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 1: It's a really good question because we don't have any

1642
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 1: history with Pat Mahomes on our team, you know what

1643
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 1: I mean. With Josh, we got super bowls, We're invested

1644
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 1: in Josh, you know, emotionally, you know all that stuff.

1645
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 1: So it's hard. That's a really good question. It's hard

1646
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: to divest yourself of all that baggage that you've loaded

1647
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 1: into this team in this franchise.

1648
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 2: And that guy, Well, Hopkins himself said Josh Allen was

1649
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 2: number one on his list. When he talked on that

1650
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:28,680
Speaker 2: I Am Athlete podcast last week, Josh Allen was the

1651
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 2: first guy he mentioned.

1652
01:28:30,479 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: Listen, when Josh does, players see the same thing the

1653
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 1: fans see and Bill's fancy when they see Josh play.

1654
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 1: That guy will will jump in front of a truck

1655
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 1: to win a game, and players will say, Man, I'll

1656
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 1: play with a guy like that. Yep, because that's how

1657
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: I want to play. I'll do that for a guy

1658
01:28:47,320 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 1: who will do it for me. And Josh you know

1659
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 1: he's he does that on a regular basis.

1660
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 2: Andrew on the tweets sheet says, it's about helping the Bills.

1661
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,640
Speaker 2: How are they gonna double steph with d hop and

1662
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 2: Davis running around or hook for that matter, Please sign

1663
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 2: this man three exclamation points. May have to wait till

1664
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 2: post June first. It might be it might come down

1665
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 2: to that, yeah, and saving some cap money.

1666
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting. Who knows where he's next year. You

1667
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 1: know this, his career is not over.

1668
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:20,599
Speaker 2: This is true. We'll keep waiting with baited breath. We'll

1669
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 2: see you tomorrow at one o'clock when we have ESPN's

1670
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 2: Bill Barnwell joining us. We'll see you that