1 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Welcome bird Gang. On today's show, why we're not buying 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: what the national media is selling regarding Chandler Jones. He's 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: not going anywhere, folks. Jones's happiness or perceived lack thereof, 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: is part of a much larger discussion about the outside 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 1: linebacker position. Marcus Golden returns de Boncnard wants to queen 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:26,799 Speaker 1: Slate and what about Victor d Mukage? Can the sixth 7 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: round draft pick make enough noise in training camp to 8 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: find a spot on the fifty three man roster? First though, 9 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: nice to see the offensive line receive it's due. It's 10 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two, episode four thirty four, and it starts now. 11 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Griga Lew and 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyunday, proud 13 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: partner of the Arizona Cardinals and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. 14 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: Visit Acy Cardinals dot Com, Slash podcasts, or Rolls to 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: the Right, throws near site defense Bob Patis into the 16 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: ends after the touchdown, Here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: So one week ago we focused on the offensive line. 18 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: We felt like that was a great jumping off points 19 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: as we examine each position group heading into training camp. 20 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: Now nothing's changed since that show, which you can find 21 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: in the archives on asycardinals dot com, but the old 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: line was in the news recently, MJ. And it was 23 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: for all the right reasons for those that might have 24 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: missed a kylot to guard on asycardinals dot com had 25 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: the story about and he's very into numbers, the analytical guy. 26 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: We kind of make fun every now and then, but 27 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: actually it was a good story and looking at what 28 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: a lot of these analytics people look at when it 29 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: comes to old line rate and next gen stats had 30 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: the Cardinals as the number one old line when it 31 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: comes to limiting pressure on the quarterback. Now, the story 32 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: goes into a lot of detail, but the fact that 33 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: number one ahead of and this is the rest of 34 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: the top five MJ. The Browns, the Chiefs, the Saints, 35 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: and the Packers. Those four teams, those four teams are 36 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: all playoff teams. All four of those teams are very 37 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: good at teams. So the fact that the Cardinals were 38 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: number one in that category, and this certainly affects Kyle 39 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: the Murray, but that five man unit maybe individually not great, 40 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: but collectively they are number one. And I think it 41 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 1: speaks volumes because if you look at some of those 42 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: teams you mentioned, they've had the same offensive line. Now clearly, 43 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of guys have been drafted in 44 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: the early rounds when it comes to the Browns, but 45 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: for the most part, I mean JC Tretter, I mean, 46 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: they've had good players and some are free agents. So 47 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: that's a good conversation to start with. And again, until 48 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: somebody goes to the Pro Bowl or in this case, 49 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: All Pro, they're never going to get the credit. But 50 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: as a unit, we know how much improvement they've made 51 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: it over the last couple of years. You know, clearly 52 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: Kylin Murray wasn't the same and maybe there would downward 53 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: trickle effect on the offensive line just you know, usually one, two, 54 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: three protect he's going to run and that wasn't the case. 55 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: But that's good company to be in. And again, those 56 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: offensive lines have been together for a while, and you know, 57 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: besides Rodney Hudson, which is a huge upgrade at the 58 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 1: center position, it makes sense. But again they're going to 59 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: have to prove it throughout the course of the year, 60 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: and we know the numbers have gone down when it 61 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,839 Speaker 1: comes to protecting Kyler Murray, whether it's sacks, pressures hers, 62 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: or knockdowns. But that's a good stat because I would 63 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: never guessed that. I would have thought they would be 64 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: in the top ten, but not number one. And when 65 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 1: you talk about limiting that pressure, you said one, two, three, 66 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: you got to make a decision whether you run or 67 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: you're throwing it or throwing it away. And it's I 68 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: think the Cardinals do benefit when you have a Kyler 69 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: Murray because he can be in that pocket a little 70 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: bit longer, if you will. Does put a little bit 71 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: more pressure on the offensive line to hold up there. 72 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: And as far as the guys who are coming against them, 73 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: as far as the pass rushers. But because of the ability, 74 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: the escapability ability for Kyler Murray to certainly go east west, 75 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: now you hope that he learns to go north as 76 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: far as stepping up in the pocket, which we've talked 77 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: a lot about that you shape and all of a sudden, 78 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: we want to see Kyle the Murray throw the football. 79 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: I think he would prefer to throw the football as 80 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: opposed to run. Now, we talked during the course of 81 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: the offseason that yes, he needs to be able to 82 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: run to help this offense, but it shouldn't be as 83 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 1: starting point. So the fact that a year ago when 84 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: that sack total drop from forty eight to twenty seven, 85 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: that certainly is an indication that, yes, the offensive line 86 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: has improved and Kyle Murray has improved as recognizing when 87 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: to bail and when to get rid of the football. 88 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: And I think you know, a lot of chatter is 89 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: you know Kyle doesn't go under center. And to me, 90 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: the reason why maybe those numbers reflect at is because 91 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: he can be in the pistol, he can be in 92 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: the zone read, he can be in the RPO. And 93 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: when you're going under center, sometimes when you're taking your 94 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: three or five step drop, you can't see the entire 95 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: field your left shoulder continue from your left side, you 96 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 1: can see it. But when you're in the shotgun in 97 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: the RPOs, he sees things developed a little bit quicker. 98 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,839 Speaker 1: Now I'm not a post to him getting under center, 99 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: but we you know, it's clear that you know, James 100 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: Conner or somebody else will be your short yardage guy 101 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: where he doesn't have to jam his neck in there. 102 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: And yeah, so but I think him not being under 103 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: center helps those numbers. And we've heard a lot of 104 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 1: Ron Wolfley say, hey, I want to see Kyle Murray understonder. 105 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: Rob Frederickson on Cardinal Talk, I'd like to see Kyle 106 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: the Murray under center, and I think at times we 107 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: did see him a lot more. I just don't know, 108 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: And I know the news coming out of the Baltimore 109 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: Ravens camp is that Lamar Jackson's going to be under 110 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: center a lot more. That kind of leaked, and I 111 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: don't know if now the expectation is wall. If Lamar's 112 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: doing it, why can't Kyler do it? I just don't 113 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: know if Cliff Kingsbury is that under center type quarterback 114 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: coach with regard to how he sees this offense going forward. Well, 115 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: if he go back to Peter Schrager and Sean mcvay's 116 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: podcast ahead Kingsbury on there, I think Schraeger brought it 117 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,799 Speaker 1: up and he said, let me know when Lamar Jackson 118 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: goes under center. Now, you know, over the couple of 119 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 1: last couple of years, he's improved in his passing game. 120 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: I thought they had to get him more weapons. They've 121 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: done that clearly. You know, their offensive lines made some 122 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: adjustments there. So, but Cliffs said, tell me how many 123 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: times at the end of the year he actually goes 124 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: under center because once again, when he's in the gun, 125 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: our po's pistol zone reads, he has the ability to 126 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: escape quickly or try to make a decision outside the pocket. 127 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: And one other thing that I think I've talked about Murray, 128 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: I want to see him throw on the run better. 129 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: Whether it's to the left side. We know he can 130 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: throw that ball to hop on the hashmark and get 131 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: that outpassed. But you know, from a baseball player standpoint, 132 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: not that you're tipping your hand, but he should be 133 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: able to throw on the run on the right side 134 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: and allow those receivers to go get those fifty fifty balls. 135 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: And that could be something we see from aj Green. 136 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 1: We'll have much more on Kyler Murray and the entire 137 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: quarterback position once we get to that QB position. As 138 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: we count it down, if you will to training camp 139 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: looking at every position on the Arizona Cardinals offense defense, 140 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: and no, we will not forget special teams as well. 141 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: But let's bring it back to that story on easy 142 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: Cardinals dot Com and the number one offensive line when 143 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: it comes to limiting pressure. We talked when we discussed 144 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: the offensive line about three fifths of that starting lineup 145 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: being back DJ Humphries, Justin Pugh, and Kelvin Beecham. Well, 146 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: if you want to throw out Justin Murray, who started 147 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: the last handful of games at right guard, if he 148 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: is back in at right guard and all of a sudden, 149 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: the only newcomer, if you will, is Rodney Hudson. And yeah, 150 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: it's an important position. Yet I don't think anyone's worried 151 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: because Hudson is one of veteran as a pro bowler 152 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: and all pro that he should just be able to 153 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: come in and fit right in and all of a 154 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: sudden elevate everyone to heights that I think we expect 155 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: that this offense to be much improved, especially when it 156 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: comes to putting points on the scoreboard. And one thing 157 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: we pointed out that you know Sean Kluger is going 158 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: to play the best five guys, and you know you're 159 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: not gonna say, well, who's my swing tackle? Could that 160 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: be Josh Jones? Could that be just to Murray? We 161 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: know Murray can play for different positions, but you know 162 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: they've maintained it's going to be four different guys, and 163 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: we look at Brian Winters. He's not an outside guy. 164 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure if he had two he can snap. Usually 165 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: guards and centers are kind of interchangeable, so you know, 166 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: he's got a ton of starts. And clearly there's a 167 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: relationship with him and Calvin Beach and playing with the Jets, 168 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: and so that right side could come together a lot sooner. 169 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: So I'm just wondering who the swing tackles. Again, they're 170 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: gonna play the best five guys. Who's gonna play the 171 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: best five guys? But you also are addressing eight on 172 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: game day and injuries do occur. Josh Jones, Max Garcia 173 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: also in the mix again our deep dive on the 174 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: offensive line. You can go into the archives on asy 175 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: cardinals dot com. In fact, make sure you never miss 176 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: an episode of Cardinals Cover two or any of the 177 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals podcast. Subscribe and you get those podcasts on 178 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, Google Play, Music, Tune in, Stitcher or SoundCloud. 179 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: You've got obviously Cardinals Covered to Cardinals Underground, the Big 180 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: Red Rage, and the Cardinals Red Sea Report. For more information, 181 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: go to Asycardinals dot com Slash podcast for more information, 182 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: always like to point out and kind of update what 183 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: we have recently discussed. And it always happens MJ. We'll 184 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: have this discussion about a position or a particular player, 185 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, we get done with 186 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: the show, and either later that day or the next day, 187 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's a quote unquote update, whether 188 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 1: it's a roster move or something new that hey, we 189 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: didn't miss it, we just didn't know about it. And 190 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: this was one of those instances. I don't pay a 191 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: lot of attention to that analytical numbers, but anytime Kyle 192 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: puts it out there, either via his social media account 193 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: you can follow him at Kyle Underscore ode Guard or 194 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: again Onasycardinals dot com, it is an interesting read. And 195 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: I do think we're getting to that stage in the 196 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: NFL and across all sports, even on the college level, 197 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: that these numbers it's not just so much the yardage 198 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: the touchdowns, but how do we measure these players to 199 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 1: understand where we can prove as a team. And then 200 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 1: the flip side of that is the fans understand the 201 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: game a lot more as well. Yeah, you want to 202 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: go back to the draft, there was that one. I 203 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: think a game from Pro Football Focus when it came 204 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: to the Cardinals athleticism and there, you know, kind of 205 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: their numbers and maybe that's the way they're drafting now. 206 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: Like any other franchise, the Cardinals do have an analytics department, 207 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: and you know, Cliff I think he relies on it. 208 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: Now the question becomes, does he go with the analytics 209 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: when it's got to go forth in one or is 210 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: he go with the gut based on down and distance, 211 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: what kind of momentum in the game do they need 212 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,599 Speaker 1: to score or they've fallen behind. So it's always interesting 213 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: when that decision is made. But all those decisions are 214 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: thought of going into the game, and so every team 215 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 1: has it, including the Cardinals. There could be five or 216 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,199 Speaker 1: six in there, all working to Obviously the main thing 217 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: is to get to win after the game, but if 218 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: you execute, you can cover some of that stuff up. 219 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: But it's always interesting when you have analytics to use. 220 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: It's a tool. What's the gut there? Because that's going 221 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: to be difficult for any head coach and make that decisions. 222 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know how many analytics the 223 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: Patriots shoose. I mean, Balichick obviously's a genius when it 224 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: comes to you know, looking at formations and trying to 225 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: stop people. But there's not a lot of guys that 226 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: can do that. You can have the numbers presented to 227 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: you ahead of time, and then once the game kicks off, 228 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: you have to go I think by feel. Now, maybe 229 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: there are certain situations that those numbers say, hey, look, 230 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: this team that we're going against just cannot stop second 231 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: and two from the right hash mark with under two 232 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: minutes to go. I mean literally, it is that specific. 233 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: It's not just one person, it's an analytics department that 234 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: is coming up with these numbers. But at the same time, 235 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: I do like having that instinct, that gut feel like, look, 236 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: maybe it's against the grain, maybe it's not what the 237 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: numbers are telling me, but look, you know James Connor, 238 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: he's on a roll and we know what the numbers say, 239 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna go and feature him on this particular 240 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: play and whether it works or not, then of course 241 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: the head coach has got to answer those questions afterwards. 242 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: But numbers are part of the story that I just 243 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: can't I just don't want them to be the entire 244 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: story why something happens. Yeah, it really, it comes down 245 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: to blocking, tackle and execution, you know, not committing penalties, 246 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: you know, not getting false start stuff, not falling behind, 247 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: learning how to finish a lot of little things. But 248 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: you know, Cliff has been aggressive when it comes to 249 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: going on fourth down. Now, I know that the average 250 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: viewer out there or fan is going to go fourth 251 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: and one. You couldn't pick up a fourth and one. Well, 252 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: that's something where if you're in field goal range and 253 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: you got Matt Prador and you have a seven point 254 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: lead and it's in the fourth quarter, yes you want 255 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: to go to a two possession game. So but he's 256 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: been very aggressive going on fourth down, and you know 257 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: it's not going to work every time, but you can't 258 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: faul to him for being aggressive, especially when he's trying 259 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: to push the envelope to score more points. And I 260 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: think he's also learned his lesson. Remember his first season, 261 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: how many times he would go for a field goal 262 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: inside the red zone as opposed to pushing it a 263 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: little bit. And then as the season progressed, it became 264 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: more aggressive. Year three. Not that he knows everything, but 265 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: I do think he's a little bit more comfortable then 266 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: your observation from watching ots in mini camp. He's not 267 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: just focused on the quarterbacks or the offense. He's moving around, 268 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: he's looking at other positions. He's talking whether the players, 269 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: other assistants out there to where maybe you do see 270 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: Sean Kugler upfront a little bit more. Obviously, Kingsbury final say, 271 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: but that you know, when we saw the offense exit 272 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: the field all of a sudden, Kingsbury wouldn't be seen 273 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: front of the line. He would be back on the 274 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: bench most times, and all of a sudden the defense 275 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: is playing. And that occasionally, yes, as a head coach, 276 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: but nine times out of ten, you need to be 277 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: able to see how the entire game is going on 278 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: in front of you. And we know that. You know, 279 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: Sean Kugler alongs with James Saxon and Steve Hyden, they 280 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 1: kind of put the run game together. And then you 281 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: got the wide receivers coach Sean Jefferson, and you know 282 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 1: you take the the input from them. But when I 283 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: look at for Cliff Kingsbury, though, I mean, I think 284 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: he's going to become more of a head coach and 285 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: that's going to help this team overall. And I agree 286 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: with you. You got to worry about a challenge you 287 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: gotta worry about, you know, you know, I guess clock management. 288 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things. But I do think 289 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: Cliff is trying to be more of a head coach 290 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: and just offensive play callers and working the officials. That's 291 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: part of the game as well, part of being a 292 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: head coach. You start that process and all of a sudden, 293 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: maybe in the fourth quarter, you do get that official 294 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: to all of a sudden see something that was embedded 295 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: in their mind earlier in the game, whether that's on 296 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: the offense or defensive side. Well, and I'm not speaking 297 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: on a turn here, but I don't think they're going 298 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: to have as many distractions on the sidelines this year. 299 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: You know, they moved on from David Ray, who I 300 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: have a lot of respect for, but when they always 301 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: pan the sidelines, he was always in cliffs here. And 302 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure you know Cam Turner's got a promotion now, 303 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: the cooglers down there, they've got a guy in the boost, 304 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: So I don't think you're going to have the distractions 305 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: you had a year ago. Jerry Sullivan is kind of 306 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: more of a technician. He'll when the guys come to 307 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: the sideline, he'll talk to them. Sean Jefferson's more of 308 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: a hands on coach, so quite frankly, I don't think 309 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: they're gonna have the distractions down there as ahead a 310 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: year ago. Well let's hope that's the case. Knock on wood, 311 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: and this Cardinals team is focused from Week one all 312 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: the way to Week eighteen. As we continue here on 313 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two presented by Hyundai, proud partner of the 314 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, are let's focus MJ on the outside linebacker 315 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: position group as we continue here on our position by 316 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: a position breakdown looking at what the Cardinals did in 317 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: the offseason, whether that's in free agency, via trade, or 318 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: obviously in the draft. Now, when we talk about outside linebacker, 319 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: you gotta starts at the top, and that is Chandler Jones. 320 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: And there's there's a question mark, And I think I 321 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: don't I haven't talked with a lot of fans out there, 322 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: but I do believe there's a segments of the Bird 323 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: gang that might be a little concerned, a little worried. 324 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: I'm here to say, and whether you agree or disagree 325 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: with me, MJ, we can discuss that here as well. 326 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: I don't believe Chandler Jones is going anywhere. He will 327 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: be at training camp. I'm not reporting anything. This is 328 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: just my belief. He will be at training camp. He 329 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: will play this season. Now the question remains, does he 330 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: get that new contract. He was not at OTA's or 331 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: mini camp. He did show up for media day, and 332 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: we've seen the pictures, We've seen the videos, and he 333 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: has been a part of zoom calls. How do we 334 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: know this well, Outside linebacker, the rookie Victor d Mucagee 335 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: was on the Big Red Rage recently and said not 336 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: only as he met Chandler Jones, but he has interacted 337 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: with Jones via zoom calls. So it's not like Chandler 338 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: Jones is Aaron Rodgers where he is out of touch 339 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: with the team. He just was not presence on the 340 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: football field, whether watching or showing what he could do 341 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: in practice. I think that was a mistake, but that's 342 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: in the past. I do not believe that he is unhappy. 343 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: I do believe he would like a new contract, but 344 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: I don't think this is anything that is going to 345 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: be a quote unquote distraction, if you will. And his 346 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: teammates backed him up. What we heard from Buddha Baker 347 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 1: we heard from DJ Humphries this was not going to 348 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: be anything. Look, as they say, it's a business, and 349 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones will take care of his own business. But 350 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: I do believe that when this team reports at the 351 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: end of July, he'll be their front and center. Well 352 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: two things. First of all, if you want to go 353 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: back to media day, he did meet with general manager 354 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 1: Steve Kim and there could be an agreement, and according 355 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: to Kingsbury, they knew this was going to happen. Now. 356 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: Last year, I thought Chandler came in a little heavy 357 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: and he obviously, you know, didn't play up to par 358 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: for different reasons in the first five games of the season. 359 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: And I'm mincing eleven. He's going to be thirty two 360 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: in February, so he'll go in this year at thirty one. 361 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: You know, the Cardinals do have the franchise tag. They 362 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: can use him back to back years. I'm sure that's 363 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: not something he doesn't want. And from a team standpoint, 364 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: you'd like to lower that cap number, which is twenty 365 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: million right now. But I think at this point, you 366 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: know it's not he's not coming off an ecl and Achilles, 367 00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: but he is a pass rusher, and you got to 368 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: make sure you take care of your triceps and biceps. 369 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: So I understand he wants a contract, but I don't 370 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: know if that's going to be the focus going into 371 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: the season. He's entering the final year of a five year, 372 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: eighty two and a half million dollar contract that he 373 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: signed in twenty seventeen. He has earned every bit of 374 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: that eighty two and a half million in facts. He 375 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: has improved since signing that contract, which you cannot say 376 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: about a lot of players in the NFL or other 377 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: professional leagues across the country or even across the world. 378 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: So to that, I'll give him credit. But to your points, 379 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 1: when you look at okay, if you are looking to 380 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: extend on the team's side, what are we looking at 381 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: thirty one years old. You're coming off an injury now, 382 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: it's the first injury he suffered since joining the Cardinals. 383 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: And then those five games really four plus because he 384 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: got hurt in Week five. He was really a little 385 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: bit slow to get out of the gates. He had 386 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: just the one sack, seven quarterback hits, and one fumble recovery, 387 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: so it was slow for him to really get off 388 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: last season. Whether that was to what you said as 389 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: far as him coming in maybe a little overweight in 390 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: training camp. But I do understand the hesitation from the 391 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: team's side if it hasn't happened yet. Now it's not 392 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: to say it won't happen. But Baker got extended during 393 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: training camp. DeAndre Hopkins got extended during training camp. Maybe 394 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: that's what happens this come training camp, whether that's late 395 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: July or in August. And I still feel and maybe 396 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: they want to wait and see. Even though James Cunner's 397 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: on a one year contract, I do think they think 398 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 1: highly of a guy like Chase Edmonds, and we've seen 399 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: this team give out extensions in training camp. Tyrn, Matthew Patrick, Peterson, 400 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: Hopkins was announced before the season. I want to say, yes, 401 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: it was. Yeah. Now you look back, go back to 402 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, when the Cardinals traded for Chandler Jones. They 403 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: gave up Jonathan Cooper, who basically was on his last leg. 404 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: Here they're going to move in the center that offseason 405 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: in a second round pick. So he's appeared in sixty 406 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: nine games, sixty one se one hundred and seventy five 407 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: solo tackles. He has sixty eight tackle for losses one 408 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: hundred and seven, quarterback hits, forced fumbles seventeen, fumble recovers 409 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: seven and passes defense. So he definitely has filled up 410 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,880 Speaker 1: the stat sheet and really you can put his numbers 411 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: close to Aaron Donald well, and many people put him 412 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: in that category. And I've watched NFL Network enough over 413 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: the last several weeks. Cliff Avril, the former Seattle Seahawks 414 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: defensive player, He's joined the NFL Network and recently had 415 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: Chandler Jones amongst his top three edge rushers. He had 416 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: him number three, behind Cameron Jordan and then Aaron Donald 417 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: and Willie McGinnis has been very vocal in his supports 418 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: of Chandler Jones, calling him underappreciated. We don't hear a 419 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: lot nationally about Chandler Jones, but you look at the 420 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: number of sacks, the number of strip sacks. He has 421 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: made the strip sack really in art form to the 422 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: point where, all of a sudden, that is his focus. 423 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,879 Speaker 1: It's not so much getting the quarterback, getting that ball 424 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: out of the quarterbacks hands. And that's something that we've 425 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: seen this team practice a lot since Kingsbury joined the team, 426 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: and I think that's is something that, yeah, you want 427 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: the sack, but you get that ball out, you get 428 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: credit for the sack. Plus now all of a sudden, 429 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: that ball is loose and it's free for anyone to 430 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: kind of dive for Well, between Charlie Boland, who's the 431 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 1: outside linebackers coach, and then he's throwing Billy Davis, who's 432 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: the inside linebackers coach. They teach you to stab the ball. 433 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: Stab the ball. You know how I feel about hurries, 434 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: pressures and knockdowns. They lead to turnovers. So you look 435 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: at Aaron Donald, he has sixty five point five sacks, 436 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: Jones sixty one, Cameron Jordan fifty five five, Khalil Mack 437 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 1: fifty one five, t J. Watt forty nine. I mean 438 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: he is in that category of all those great players. 439 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: And again Aaron Donald, I just I want to say, 440 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: he just turned thirty. I think Cameron Jordan's similar to TJ. 441 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: Watch a little bit, you know, are Khalil max in there? 442 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: So we're talking about the best of the best when 443 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: it comes to pass rushers, and he's definitely been in 444 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: that category since he's been with the Cardinals again, sixty 445 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: nine games, sixty one sacks, Well, he's five and a 446 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: half sacks shy Freddy Jones nuns mark of sixty six 447 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: and a half. That's the Cardinals franchise mark, and I 448 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: don't think there's any question about it that Chandler Jones 449 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: knock on wood, if healthy, will hit that mark in 450 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. So you can't argue whether it's top 451 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: three or top five. Chandler Jones is in that category 452 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: as a pass rusher. The question is what do you 453 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: do as far as how far out is he looking 454 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: for a new contract, how far out is the Cardinals 455 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: potentially looking to extend him? Is that two years? Is 456 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: at three years? I would like to see his contracts equal, 457 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: or match or coincide with JJ Watt. I mean, it 458 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: doesn't make much sense to me if you bring JJ 459 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: Watt on for two years and Chandler Jones only signed 460 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: for one year, and then you're left what to do 461 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. I think those contracts need to 462 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: be matched up. Now Chandler Jones is like, well, that's 463 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: just an extra year tacked on, but I do think 464 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: that needs to be the focal point, if nothing else, 465 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: to get those two teamed together for more than just 466 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: one season. Yeah, you know, Von Millers had some injuries 467 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: over last year and Von Millers told give you his number. 468 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: He's got fifty four sacks, and you know so and 469 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: Chandler's gonna want to be paid like a pass rusher, 470 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: where Aaron Donald's an interior guy. You know, quite frankly, 471 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: you know JJ Watson interior guy. But we know when 472 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: it comes to these pass rushers, there's a premium at 473 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: the position. And it's tough to compare Kalaius Campbell because 474 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: Klaios was thirty one at the time. The Cardinals offered 475 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: him three years, thirty one and a half million, seventeen 476 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: point five guaranteed, and that was the same money of 477 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: Michael Bennett. Michael Bennett was forced to be reckoned with 478 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: Klaius wanted to be the face of the franchise. That 479 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: wasn't going to happen here. So he goes to Jacksonville, 480 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: they were looking for a face of the franchise, gets 481 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: a four year deal for sixty which he knew, I 482 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: knew and everyone knew he would never see that fourth 483 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: year and he ends up getting traded and now he's 484 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: contemplating retirement after this season. So you start to get 485 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: to thirty one thirty two, you're not as bring chicken anymore, 486 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: especially rushing the pastor now Chandler plays all three downs 487 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: kiss he's in a rotation. The reason why they went 488 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: out and got Klais Campbell is because they thought they 489 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 1: would play the Chiefs and stop that running, get you know, 490 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: Mahomes off his spot. Unfortunately didn't work out for them. 491 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you start getting thirty three, you know, 492 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: thirty two, thirty three, all of a sudden, you're not 493 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: that spring chicken. The one difference as far as when 494 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: you look at Chandler Jones and Klais Campbell is the 495 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: Cardinals had someone waiting in the wings. They thought Robert Kimdici, 496 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: who is now with the Seattle Seahawks, and we'll see 497 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: how that pans out. But there was someone waiting to 498 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: take that spot. You look at the Cardinals right now, 499 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: there is no outside linebacker. There is no edge rusher 500 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: in waiting if you will, There is no young hot shot, 501 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: there is no draft pick behind Chandler Jones. He's thirty one, 502 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 1: Marcus Golden is thirty. Davon Kannard turns thirty this week. 503 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: So if you're Chandler Jones and you're agent, and you 504 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: look at the roster and go, you can't afford to 505 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: let me go. I have to be back on this 506 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: team because if I leave, what do you guys going 507 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: to do? You have no one waiting, And to that point, 508 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 1: that would be concerning because we know how devastating it 509 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: is to have a pass rusher like Chandler Jones. And 510 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: folks don't point to last season because I don't think 511 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: you can repeat that sacked by committee that Vance Joseph 512 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: was able to dial up since Week five. I think 513 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: that was more that was a one season deal. I 514 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 1: don't think you can bank on that year in and 515 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: year out. You need that one guy or that tag 516 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: team if you will, to get to the quarterback. Yeah. 517 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: I remember when the Cardinals were really excited with Olson Pierre. 518 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: I mean they basically kept him on the roster the 519 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: entire year because they had a trade in the preseason 520 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: with the Falcons and they thought he was going to 521 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: be the future. That they thought Robert Camdici was going 522 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: to be the future. And you know, I like what 523 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: they've done over to less, you know, last two drafts. 524 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: You know, obviously addressing the defensive line with Lucky Foe 525 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: two and Richard Lawrence and then bringing in J. J. Watt. 526 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: But yeah, again it's he's not going to be the 527 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,640 Speaker 1: highest paid pass rusher just age wise, but you look 528 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: at his production and what he's done since he's been here, 529 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 1: it's hard to argue I don't know what his value. 530 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: I mean right now, he's making fifteen five and then 531 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: the signing bonuses four or five, so his cap number 532 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: is twenty million. In the perfect world, you'd like to 533 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: get that down a little bit and allow him to 534 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: get his signing bonus. Yeah, get that money up front, 535 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: because that's what players like. What are you going to 536 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: give me now when I put pen to paper, Not 537 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: what I can earn in the future, because there's no 538 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: guarantee that that future is going to come for any 539 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: player when they sign that contract, especially if it's a 540 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: three or four year contract. So look, it's an interesting 541 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: cat and mouse game here. Again, I'll reiterate Chandler Jones 542 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: is not going anywhere. That's just me saying at MJ. 543 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: I do think that it would be wise for the 544 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 1: Cardinals to get him under contract beyond twenty twenty one. 545 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: Don't play this season on a one year deal and 546 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: then going to free agency and then yeah, you've got 547 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: the franchise tag. But no player likes that. Although Chandler 548 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: Jones you mentioned it, he was franchise tag and I 549 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: think about a couple of days or a week later, 550 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: he signed that five year contract, so it wouldn't be 551 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: the first time that it happens. But no player likes 552 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: to get that tap on the shoulder and said you've 553 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: been tagged. I'll say this. I mean he's been working 554 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: out the facility ever since. You know, he's rehabbing, He 555 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: does yoga, he does pilates. I'm sure he spent some 556 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: time with John Jones and his brother Arthur and the 557 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: octagon just you know, just to me, that's wrestling skills 558 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: and being able to get out of traffic. So I 559 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 1: do anticipate he's going to come back in better shape. 560 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: You know, again, no offseason, you didn't have to show up. 561 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: It was all zoom meetings and you go to training camp, 562 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: no excuses. He's a professional. But I watched him in 563 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 1: camp a little heavy news. You could see he was 564 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: conditioning and he actually told us that he could have 565 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: used a preseason game just to kind of knack the 566 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: rust off. I don't know if that affected the injury, 567 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: but I do think if he looks at himself on 568 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: film last year, he knows he needs to be in 569 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: better shape and he's gonna be more talent around him. 570 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: He's not going to be just a one guy wrecking crew. 571 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: You've got other players where he can draw double teams 572 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: and let JJ water Marcus Gold and get after the quarterback. Well, 573 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: if you follow Chandler on Instagram, you can see what 574 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: he is doing this offseason, the shape that he is in. 575 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: Most recently, I think he was dunking a basketball, So 576 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: it doesn't appear that that bicep injury is, you know, 577 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: going to factor in. I mean, I think he is 578 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: about his hundred percents as you can be at this 579 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: point of your career. Now, he's just got to make 580 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: sure that he knows what he's walking into, and I 581 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: do think he understands that. The Cardinals understand it. You 582 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 1: just don't want this to be hanging over the team 583 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: come training camp, and I don't believe it will. No. 584 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he's a professional, and he's coming off that 585 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: five year, eighty two point five million contract. I mean, 586 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: you know, like I said, he's you know, basically this 587 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: could be his last big contract, you know, whether he 588 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: signs a two year deal or he plays on a 589 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: franchise tag. I mean, he's not going to get any younger, 590 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: and we all know what's a young man's game. I 591 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: still think he'd be effective as a situational pass strusher, 592 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit older, like to Wait Freeney, maybe 593 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: John Abraham, who knows what he wants to do after that. 594 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 1: But you know, he's really better amount himself if he 595 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: doesn't get a you know, a contract extension or to 596 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: get the franchise tach. Well. The first time we will 597 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: see Chandler Jones in action week one at Tennessee. First 598 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: time we will see Chandler Jones in action at State 599 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,720 Speaker 1: Farm Stadium week two, when the Minnesota Vikings come to town. 600 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: And that's game specifically the home opener. Parts of the 601 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: White Plan, as there are a couple of different protect 602 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: the Nest plans that are available right now either through 603 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: asy Cardinals dot Com, slash tickets or by calling the 604 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: Cardinals Ticket office at six zero two three seven nine 605 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: zero one zero two. There is the White Plan, there 606 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: is the Red Plan. Each plan features four games include 607 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: a prominent primetime matchup at State Farm Stadium again and 608 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: information on asy cardinals dot com, slash tickets or calling 609 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: the Cardinals ticket office at six zero two three seven 610 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: nine zero one zero two. All right, the Red plan 611 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: forty nine Ers Packers on Thursday night football Panthers, and 612 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: then the Indianapolis Colts Sunday night in primetime, and that's 613 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: on Christmas. I like the white plan. Now again the 614 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: opener Minnesota Vikings. There's a lot of transplants here, obviously, 615 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: the revenge game from a media standpoint, the Texans the 616 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: Rams on Monday Night. But Sunday, January ninth, the regular 617 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: season finale the Seahawks. And so if you want to 618 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: you're a Seahawks fan, you want to purchase tickets, You're 619 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: gonna have to purchase tickets for four games. So give 620 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: me the white plan. I like both plans, but I 621 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: understand what you're saying, especially that final game Week eighteen. 622 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: Perhaps maybe playoff seating, perhaps maybe the division is up 623 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: for line, and you got the Seahawks at home, and 624 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: we know that history, the road team has such success 625 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: in that rivalry. But hopefully things will be different because 626 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: January ninth, twenty twenty two. The season extends a little 627 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: bit longer into the month of January with regards to 628 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: the regular season, which is going to be a little 629 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: odd because by that time we're already into the postseason. Yeah, 630 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: the Red Planet. It's just you know, let's say, hypothetically, 631 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. We know that there's a lot of transients 632 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: out here unless you get back to Green Bay, which 633 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna have full capacity this year. And I haven't 634 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: looked at their schedule how many West Coast games they have. 635 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: Clearly we're playing that division this year, so it's a 636 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: good opportunity. But again, if you want to, you know, 637 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: purchase the Packers tickets, you're gonna have to purchase the 638 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: forty nine Ers, Panthers, and Colts. So I like blowth pans, 639 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: but I just like the fact that that that last 640 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: game is going to be at home. And if you know, 641 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: if the Seahawks want to purchase those tickets, they're gonna 642 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: have to buy four games. So you're welcome again, protect 643 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: the nest asy Cardinals dot com slash tickets or call 644 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: the Cardinals ticket office at six zero two three seven 645 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: nine zero one zero two we continue here on Cardinals 646 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: Cover two presented by Hunday Probab partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 647 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: Behind Chandler Jones. I guess it's say alongside Chandler Jones 648 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: as we get back to our outside linebacker conversation here, 649 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: who is also back at that position? Marcus Golden, Devon Kard, 650 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: Dennis Gardeck, Kylie Fitz, Terrence Smith, and Reggie Walker. Fitz 651 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,959 Speaker 1: started one game, played in thirteen end of the season 652 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,719 Speaker 1: on injured reserve. Smith played in three games, Walker played 653 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: in one game. Now those three more special teams players, 654 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: but in a pinch, yeah, you'd be able to send 655 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 1: them out there and rush the quarterback and see what happens. 656 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: Maybe you get lucky, maybe you find something like the 657 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: Cardinals did a year ago with Dennis Gardeck more on 658 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: guarduck in a moment, but let's talk about Marcus Golden 659 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: resigned in the offseason to a two year contract. Made 660 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: it very, very clear when he left this facility at 661 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,239 Speaker 1: the end of the regular season that he wanted to 662 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: be back, and he was brought back. And this might 663 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: have been one of those deals to where Steve come 664 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: just calls up and said this is what we're going 665 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: to offer you. And on the other end of the lines, 666 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: Marcus Golden says, I'll take whatever you got. He is 667 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: so invested, not only in the franchise, but this states 668 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: this community that he wanted to be back no matter what. 669 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: And I do think that that plays a factor and 670 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: how he performs or how he plays, because he's gonna 671 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: bring it every single week. Yeah, I thought it was 672 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: a great trade. And you know the fact is that 673 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: you know, you know, we don't know his asking price. 674 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: Prior to when the Giants signed him. They bring in 675 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: a new head coach, and all of a sudden, his 676 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: role changes, and he actually said that, you know, possibly 677 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: he was going to be done with football. And then 678 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: I want to say that they signed him before the 679 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: the opening of free agency, because you can resign your 680 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: own free corrects. So that tells me he was a 681 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: prior they made a decision to move on from Reddick. 682 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: The goal with Golden. Now we'll see how that plays out. Obviously, 683 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: Hasan's in Carolina, We'll see how he does. He doesn't 684 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: have you know, he's got players around him. Don't get 685 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: me wrong, but I'm curious to see where the numbers 686 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: he puts up. But to me, he can't say enough 687 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: about Marcus Golden. It's the energy, the passion. He wants 688 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: to be here. He loves the Cardinals, his families here, 689 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,520 Speaker 1: He's raising his family here. So I think it's a 690 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: win win situation. But they did make a decision to 691 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 1: move on from Rhadick to re up Marcus cold and 692 00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: I'm sure there was input from the coaching staff and 693 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: including the front office. Well, and then there's also the 694 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 1: history and once upon a time Chandler Jones on one side, 695 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: Marcus Golden on the other side, and that one magical 696 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: season they each had double digit sacks. Now, can you 697 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: get a return like that's in twenty twenty one. I 698 00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: think that's also a part of this as well. We 699 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,720 Speaker 1: know the passion that Marcus Golden has for the game, 700 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: and also were in that Cardinal's uniform last season. He 701 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: started eight games, played in nine, But again that was 702 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: a mid season addition and needed because there were guys 703 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: getting hurts, Chandler Jones and then Devon Knard. Let's talk 704 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: about him thirty years old this week in Facts on thirty. 705 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 1: Depending on when you happen to listen to this show, 706 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: Cardinals covered two presented by Hunday, probably partner of the 707 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals. So an early happy birthday to the local 708 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: products out of Desert Vista High School. Devoncarnard thirty on 709 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,879 Speaker 1: January should say June twenty fourth. But it was a 710 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,280 Speaker 1: big deal when he signed a year ago, three years, 711 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,759 Speaker 1: twenty million dollars that homecoming, and I think people were 712 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,439 Speaker 1: excited considering what he had done in the previous two 713 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: seasons with the Detroit Lions, seven sacks each of those 714 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: two seasons. He had fourteen and fifteen quarterback hits in 715 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: those seasons as well, but it was a disappointment and 716 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 1: those numbers didn't carry over into twenty twenty. In fact, 717 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 1: he was almost missing for a lot of the second 718 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: half of the season. And whether that was because of 719 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen or something that the coaching staff saw that 720 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: there were other players better and outperforming Devoncarard. But how 721 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: would you kind of describe what happened with Kinnard last 722 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: season when all of a sudden he just I mean, 723 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: he played in thirteen games, but they only started four 724 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,759 Speaker 1: of them. I thought he did a good job. Maybe 725 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: the first month of the season when Chandler was out 726 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: there set in the edge. That's what he's gonna do. 727 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: I mean, he's never really going to fill up the 728 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,719 Speaker 1: stat sheet. And you look at his sacks. They come 729 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: in bunches, including against the Cardinals when Kyler Murray was 730 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: a rookie against the Lions. The thing is, I do 731 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: think COVID affected him. He only missed one game there. 732 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: But I think when they started to look at that 733 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: jet package, they wanted to get some of their playmakers 734 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: and sometimes there were dbs and linebackers, and then I 735 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: think Dennis Gardick until he got hurt, kind of put 736 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: him on the shelf a little bit. And then the 737 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 1: addition of Marcus Gold and so you know, I want 738 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 1: to say this because he's been here every single day 739 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: in the offseason. I think a lot of people looked 740 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: at that cap number, but you have to have depth 741 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: in this league and whether he's a starter, he can 742 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: play on special teams. But he's worked really hard. I'm 743 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: sure he knows that. You know, he signed a three 744 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: year deal. He's going in the year number two. He 745 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 1: wants to be here again, raising his family here and 746 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: everything else. We know his father played for the Cardinals, 747 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: so I'm looking for a bounce back here from from 748 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: Knard with given the opportunity, he may be a guy 749 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: that's going to be a rotation guy. So but to 750 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: me in training camp, I think we're going to see 751 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: a different guy. You know, normally when you go home, 752 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: everything's set in place. Now you know, it's you know, 753 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,919 Speaker 1: he can focus just on football. Obviously, has a family life. 754 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: He's a well educated guy. He's got a real estate business, 755 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: so it's not just football football. But I think knowing 756 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, as you pointed out, you know, Chandler's getting 757 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: thirty one, you got Golden's thirty. He's going to be 758 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: thirty this week. So I'm hoping maybe it's more wishful 759 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: thinking that he has a bounce back here because I 760 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: think they can use him as a depth guy and 761 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: if somebody goes down, he can start. Well. There's no 762 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: question that Cannard is putting in the work. You see it, 763 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: whether it's out here, OTA's mini camp, or you follow 764 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,319 Speaker 1: him on his various social media platforms. So and I 765 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,440 Speaker 1: do think that he is honest with himself that when 766 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 1: you look back at last season, I didn't perform up 767 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: to my own standards. Let alone what the Cardinals expected 768 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 1: of me when they signed me to that three year contract. 769 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,720 Speaker 1: So I'm an agreement with you. I'm going in open 770 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: minded and optimistic that Devon Knard in year two. Yeah, 771 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 1: you play for your hometown team and things get a 772 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: little crazy last year. Obviously no fans in the stands 773 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: for many of those games at State Farm Stadium. But 774 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: year two something to prove. And every time we say 775 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: that phrase, it's not just us saying it, but in 776 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: the back players minds, I'm sure they understand that they 777 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,720 Speaker 1: have something to prove as well. And I think Kennard 778 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: certainly does based off his numbers a year ago, two 779 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,879 Speaker 1: and a half sacks, nine quarterback hits. And again it's 780 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: not somebody the sacks to the numbers, but was he 781 00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: affecting the game And I don't think he had that 782 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 1: much of an impact weekend and week out. Yeah, like 783 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: I said, I thought he started off well and then 784 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: we got a chance to see Kylie Fitz before he 785 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 1: went down. And Kylie Fitz is another guy that just 786 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: sets the edge. They're hoping everything can kind of, you know, 787 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: get in the middle, and they don't let guys get 788 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,759 Speaker 1: around you. So and Kylie Fitz is under contract, so 789 00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a little competition there. But you you 790 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: have on our show sheet here that he was on 791 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: the Gym Rome Show, and you know, I'm sure when 792 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,440 Speaker 1: he looks back in the season, but you know the 793 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,280 Speaker 1: fact is he's not the only with any injuries, no rehab. 794 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: He's been clear to COVID. So I think he realizes that, 795 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: you know, he's got a clean slate and hopefully this 796 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: is the year where he can really you know, if 797 00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,479 Speaker 1: he comes in as a situational pass rusher, I mean great, 798 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: I means fresh legs. They have to have a rotation there. 799 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: We knew who the starters are going in. This is 800 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: what Kannard had to say on the Gym Realm Show, 801 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,240 Speaker 1: and this was earlier in June. Quote, Honestly, I'm excited 802 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: to give this year a clean slate and a fresh 803 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 1: start because last year, with how weird it was with COVID, 804 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 1: it didn't hit all the way. And quotes he said 805 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,240 Speaker 1: that he felt fine, that the effects of COVID nineteen 806 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: dealer didn't really weigh on him, but the numbers or 807 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: how much we saw him on the field told a 808 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: different story to where it certainly appeared to impact him 809 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,279 Speaker 1: because you look at those final eight games, he was 810 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: not on the field for a lot of defensive snaps 811 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 1: and whether that was someone had beaten him out or 812 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,560 Speaker 1: the coaching staff didn't believe that he could handle a 813 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,800 Speaker 1: number of snaps because of the effects of COVID nineteen, 814 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 1: I know, I only Devon Kannard can answer that. But 815 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: to your point about being a bounce back year, I 816 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,720 Speaker 1: think everyone is anticipating that in twenty twenty one, and 817 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,600 Speaker 1: again they they need they need some depth there. I mean, 818 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, got Chandler coming off an injury and I 819 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: think he'll be cleared to go. He has been rehabbing. 820 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: But also, as Craig's pointed out, he looks a little 821 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: bit thinner on and saying some of his social media platforms. 822 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, like I said, he's a great guy, a 823 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: great community guy. But they're judge on what they do 824 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: on the field. It is an easy player to root 825 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: for when you talk about Devon kan Ar, not just 826 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: because of the hometown kid coming to play for the 827 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: hometown team, but he is he is a very good guy. 828 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 1: He is certainly excellent in the community. That never changed 829 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,760 Speaker 1: throughout last season, even in the midst of COVID nineteen 830 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: and guys not able to make many appearances public appearances, 831 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,720 Speaker 1: but via zoom, via picking up the phone, Kinnard certainly 832 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 1: he is certainly made this his home, regardless of what 833 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,880 Speaker 1: happens with the Arizona Carton. When you hear somebody in 834 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: immedia say he's a pros pro, that's all you need 835 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: to know. Absolutely. Now, as far as bounce back seasons, 836 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: maybe not a bounce back season, but looking to see 837 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: Dennis Gardeck bounce back. He is the other guy that 838 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: or the other outside linebacker that is returning. But the 839 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: last time we saw him he was being carted back 840 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 1: into the locker room after suffering at torn acl against 841 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: the Eagles on December twentieth. Now we've been told head 842 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,440 Speaker 1: coach Cliff Kingsbury that Gardeck is quote ahead of schedule, 843 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: and when asked specifically about being ready by the start 844 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: of the season, Kingsbury added, quote, I wouldn't put anything 845 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,879 Speaker 1: past Dennis end quote I wouldn't either, MJ. And there's 846 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,960 Speaker 1: a story up on asy Cardinals dot com. Darren Urban 847 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: had a chance to speak with Dennis Gardek, who didn't 848 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: want to put a timetable or a date out there, 849 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 1: but did sound optimistic about being available this season. He 850 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,479 Speaker 1: is doing some light sprints, which is good to see. 851 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: And we did notice out on the practice field during 852 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,719 Speaker 1: OTASA Minicamp Dennis Gardeck running on the sideline away from 853 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: all of the action. This is something to keep an 854 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: eye on because, as Gardeck pointed out in that story, 855 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: it is the same right acl that Gardeck tore his 856 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: senior year in high school. Now that was a few 857 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 1: years back, but it is an injury that certainly if 858 00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 1: it's the same knee a little concerning. But we know 859 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: Dennis Gardeck is going to go at this one hundred 860 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: miles an hour. You kind of have to slow him 861 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,480 Speaker 1: down a little bit. And that was kind of the 862 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: gist of the article that Tarren wrote, that, Hey, we 863 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,840 Speaker 1: don't need you right now. How about we shoot for 864 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 1: being healthy at some point in September or October because 865 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: we need you ready for a full season or as 866 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: many games as possible. And the Cardinals, you know, obviously 867 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,480 Speaker 1: they have more information than we do. He was a 868 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,280 Speaker 1: restricted free agent and he received a second round tender, 869 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,280 Speaker 1: and according to Steve Kim, that was an easy decision. 870 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: Now you look at his numbers, you know, I don't 871 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 1: know if another kind in the NFL had the kind 872 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 1: of production he had in ninety three defensive snaps. So 873 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: the way I look at this is okay, So if 874 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 1: he starts training camp on pup, you can remove him 875 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,760 Speaker 1: before the season. If he starts this season on pup, 876 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,319 Speaker 1: then he's out for six weeks, and it's almost like 877 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 1: making a trade. So they must feel comfortable. And the 878 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: fact that let's say hypothetically he misses four weeks, that's 879 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,360 Speaker 1: like making a trade at the deadline. The deadline is 880 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,160 Speaker 1: usually a week eight or nine. So to add another patchword, 881 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: we know he's a special team's, you know, one of 882 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,799 Speaker 1: the better special teams players on the team, but in 883 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 1: the league. So sometimes he's been working out here every 884 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 1: single day, every single day. You see Dennis Garter here, 885 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: So it's not and again I would never against him, 886 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: especially a guy that's been an underdog and he got 887 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,279 Speaker 1: an opportunity as an undrafted free agent and now he's 888 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,840 Speaker 1: making you know, a couple million dollars. The organization feels 889 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 1: that he's going to be able to contribute this year, 890 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 1: whether it's thirteen games. Ten games that remains to be seen. 891 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 1: But barring any setbacks, it's going to be an interest 892 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,600 Speaker 1: to watch him in training camp if he's on the side, 893 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 1: or he's going to get a chance to do a 894 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,080 Speaker 1: little bit more. Again, the medical staff will clear him 895 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: when he's cleared. What you said about Guardeck receiving that 896 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: second round tender, I don't think enough has been made 897 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,160 Speaker 1: about that because indirectly you can read into that because 898 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: if this was a major knee injury, then all of 899 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,320 Speaker 1: a sudden, maybe you don't expect the player to return 900 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,000 Speaker 1: early in the season and it's more of a late 901 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: season addition than all of a sudden, It's like, well, 902 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 1: do you want to invest that much money in a 903 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: player you're only going to have for a handful of games. 904 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: A second round tender on an undrafted rookie free agent 905 00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 1: speaks volumes to where the organization believes Dennis is in 906 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,239 Speaker 1: his rehab. No one's gonna come out and say, yeah, 907 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 1: we expect him week one. I think that's unfair to 908 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: the player, but I do think that that might be 909 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,160 Speaker 1: a goal. Now, how many snaps are you going to 910 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,359 Speaker 1: get if Gardeck is active and available on Week one. 911 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,680 Speaker 1: He is a special team's phenom. He only played a 912 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: handful of defensive snaps per week. He played ninety three total. 913 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,879 Speaker 1: Now he did a lot with those ninety three sacks 914 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 1: or ninety three snaps, seven sacks, seven tackles for lost, 915 00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,840 Speaker 1: ten quarterback hits. I mean, every time he was on 916 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: the field, he was being an impact player. But I 917 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: do think that even in a limited role, especially on 918 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,760 Speaker 1: special teams, that you might see Gardeck earlier in the season. 919 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to put a date out there, but 920 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,080 Speaker 1: perhaps earlier than I would say later in the season. 921 00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,839 Speaker 1: And the fact is that you know they're gonna need 922 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,640 Speaker 1: some depth there. He came in and game a huge 923 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: lift last year. Now he's undersized, so he's not going 924 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 1: to be a starter unless injuries occurred, like he got 925 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,880 Speaker 1: a chance last year. And we know he plays on teams. 926 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,239 Speaker 1: But the thing is he plays, you know, with a 927 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: lot of heart and a lot of passion and energy, 928 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,799 Speaker 1: and to me, I don't think he's gonna lose any 929 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,120 Speaker 1: of that coming off the ACL. Now I'm not a doctor, 930 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: but if it sounds like if it was a clean 931 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,680 Speaker 1: tear where you didn't have to worry about your meniscus 932 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,439 Speaker 1: or your MCL. That's huge. Now, normally that injury takes 933 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: six to nine months. I mean, Adrian Peterson's a freak. 934 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: He came back in six months. Some guys come back 935 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,800 Speaker 1: in eight or nine. But if you're the Cardinals and 936 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,840 Speaker 1: you got your starting lineup and no injuries occur in 937 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 1: training camp, you could be patient with him. You know. Yeah, 938 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,440 Speaker 1: we'd love to see him in this month of September, 939 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,480 Speaker 1: but maybe it's week five, you know. So I don't 940 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: think it's going to affect his ability to get to 941 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,799 Speaker 1: the pass rusher or get to the quarterback, because I 942 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,240 Speaker 1: think he you know, he's He doesn't get the credit 943 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: how strong he is in his lower body, and I 944 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,319 Speaker 1: think that showed a couple of times in that Giant's game. 945 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,360 Speaker 1: And Garduck was very aware of what he did last 946 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,960 Speaker 1: season in that article that Darren Urban wrote up on 947 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,560 Speaker 1: asy Cardinals. He understood that he was on the field 948 00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,560 Speaker 1: for certain situations rushing to the quarterback. That's your one 949 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: and only job, and it was a limited role. He 950 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,920 Speaker 1: was very effective at it. But now all of a sudden, 951 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,960 Speaker 1: people say, well play him more. You extend that out 952 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden maybe he's a double digit 953 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,680 Speaker 1: sack guy. I don't believe that to be the case, 954 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,919 Speaker 1: and I don't know if Dennis Gardeck believes that as well. 955 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 1: I think he understands his limitations, his role within this 956 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,040 Speaker 1: defense and with the Arizona Cardinals, he has made certainly 957 00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 1: an impact on special teams and that is never going 958 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:34,880 Speaker 1: to change because I don't think Jeff Rogers would ever 959 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 1: allow that to happen. To lose a guy like a 960 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 1: Dennis Gardeck, but to see Gardek play, you know, seventy 961 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,440 Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the defense and snaps, I just 962 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. And it might be the same question 963 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,319 Speaker 1: that I and a lot of people have when we 964 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,680 Speaker 1: talk about Chase Edmonds. Can you be that guy all 965 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,839 Speaker 1: the time at the running back or in this case, 966 00:47:54,880 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 1: as an outside linebacker going up against much bigger offensive lineman. Well, 967 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 1: I gotta think, you know, when the Giants are watching film, 968 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if they didn't recognize him because the 969 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,319 Speaker 1: first play he got pancaked, and the next thing you know, 970 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 1: he's in the backfield and you know, obviously a young quarterback, 971 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 1: and he really had his day with Andrew Thomas, who 972 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: I thought was one of the better lineman coming out. 973 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,239 Speaker 1: He's better off playing thirty four thirty five percent of 974 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 1: the snaps when you have to, because now all of 975 00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,880 Speaker 1: a sudden, he's on film and he's under size, and 976 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,040 Speaker 1: I mean basically, if he gets inside on you, which 977 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,279 Speaker 1: is going to be difficult with his short arms, those 978 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 1: left tackles and those linemen, they can just push him 979 00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,480 Speaker 1: out of the way. So I think he's more effective 980 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,800 Speaker 1: not playing a full time role because he also plays 981 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,360 Speaker 1: twenty one to twenty two snaps on special teams and 982 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,000 Speaker 1: he runs down there are like he's a Tasmanian devil. 983 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,000 Speaker 1: So he'll get you fifty snaps a game, but it's 984 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: not going to all be on defense. Yeah, you hope 985 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,719 Speaker 1: to see Dennis gardack sooner rather than later. But it 986 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,040 Speaker 1: is a storyline to pay attention to, especially as we 987 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: get closer to training camp and then once training camp opens. 988 00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: All Right, The last on this outside linebacker discussion the 989 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,680 Speaker 1: new umbers Victor de Mukage, the sixth round draft pick 990 00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,040 Speaker 1: out of Duke, and then Jamal Garcia Williams, which we've 991 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,399 Speaker 1: talked about a couple of times, just because he's six 992 00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,560 Speaker 1: foot seven and He's very hard to miss out on 993 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,480 Speaker 1: that football field. But someone that entered the league as 994 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,000 Speaker 1: an undrafted rookie free agent of the forty nine ers 995 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen probably more of a project than anything else. 996 00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,680 Speaker 1: And De Mukage as well. And we talked about when 997 00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,760 Speaker 1: we're you know, Chandler Jones not having that air apparent 998 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,040 Speaker 1: there's no young player behind him. I'm not putting de 999 00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,120 Speaker 1: Mukage in that category. You can't as a six round 1000 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,480 Speaker 1: draft pick. Now, maybe he surprises, and because of the 1001 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 1: experience he had at Duke, four year starter, forty nine 1002 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 1: games and being an All Conference selection the last two 1003 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: years at Duke, maybe he could be that guy. But 1004 00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,719 Speaker 1: when you're a Day three pick in a six round 1005 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,200 Speaker 1: draft pick, I think it's hoping that you found something. 1006 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 1: But I don't know if d Mukage as well as 1007 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,120 Speaker 1: he speaks, as we heard him recently on the Big 1008 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,919 Speaker 1: Red Rage, as smart as he is, I just don't 1009 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,080 Speaker 1: know if a lot can be expected, especially this season. 1010 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,759 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what he looks the part. I mean, 1011 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,440 Speaker 1: he wears number ninety two, you know, kind of minds 1012 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,200 Speaker 1: me a B Train and some other guys that wore 1013 00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,000 Speaker 1: that number and if I'm not mistaken Craig. When they 1014 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: he was drafted, they kind of used a little bit 1015 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,720 Speaker 1: of comp with Marcus Golden. I mean, so that's energy. 1016 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 1: And again I see the guy actually was getting a 1017 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,080 Speaker 1: COVID test and I ran into him in the parking 1018 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,439 Speaker 1: lot and he wasn't in uniform, and I was like, wow, 1019 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,760 Speaker 1: he's got good size and of course only in shorts 1020 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,879 Speaker 1: and helmets right now, but I can't wait for him 1021 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,799 Speaker 1: to put the pads on because he looks the part. 1022 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,319 Speaker 1: You know, smart guy, obviously a four year starter, as 1023 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,160 Speaker 1: you pointed out at Duke, you know, forty nine games. 1024 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:44,440 Speaker 1: I think he's going to get a chance to make 1025 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,560 Speaker 1: the roster. And you know, when you start looking at 1026 00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,160 Speaker 1: that outside linebacker spot, if you don't have, you know, 1027 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,640 Speaker 1: guard it coming back. I think he can also put 1028 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,480 Speaker 1: his hand in the dirt. You're talking about mcg Yeah, well, 1029 00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,480 Speaker 1: he he has that experience, yes, but I think here 1030 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,399 Speaker 1: in a three four they want him to come off 1031 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,120 Speaker 1: the edge. But I do think he's a guy that 1032 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:04,640 Speaker 1: you could put in his hand in the dirt and 1033 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:06,319 Speaker 1: allow some of your other guys to come in and 1034 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 1: scoop up on the outside. Number ninety two. Again a 1035 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,480 Speaker 1: tip of the cap to Bertrand Berry, who made that 1036 00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:16,160 Speaker 1: number very, very famous during his time with the Arizona Cardinals. 1037 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,360 Speaker 1: But that comp of Marcus Golden d mccagee felts, it 1038 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,399 Speaker 1: was a good comparison, and already that connection has been 1039 00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,720 Speaker 1: made during the offseason as far as Marcus Golden taking 1040 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:30,080 Speaker 1: this young player under his wing and teaching him the rope. 1041 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,040 Speaker 1: So again, you root for these Day three picks to 1042 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,520 Speaker 1: be successful. We know not everyone is able to maintain 1043 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:38,839 Speaker 1: a career at the NFL level when you get your 1044 00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,520 Speaker 1: name called on Day three, but you know, as you said, 1045 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,200 Speaker 1: it's he is that young piece to perhaps maybe get 1046 00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: a role on special teams and if needed. Now all 1047 00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're active on Sundays, you might find 1048 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: yourself playing some defense. And I you know, I know 1049 00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,719 Speaker 1: he's in the sixth round. The Cardinals didn't have a 1050 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,080 Speaker 1: ton of picks. They were obviously needed a corner and 1051 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,360 Speaker 1: they drafted a couple of corners and Marcus Wilson and 1052 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,520 Speaker 1: Tay Gown they got a safety in there. So you 1053 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: can't fill every role. But if the fact is yes, 1054 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,839 Speaker 1: he dropped it a sixth round, and you know, he's 1055 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,760 Speaker 1: going to get a chance to make the roster. I really, 1056 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,160 Speaker 1: you know, if he plays well in the preseason, gonna 1057 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,040 Speaker 1: be hard to slide unto the practice squad. Just based 1058 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,840 Speaker 1: on his measurables, he is someone certainly to walk. Talking 1059 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:23,799 Speaker 1: about Victor d. Mukaji the entire outside linebacker position, I 1060 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,000 Speaker 1: think he is going to offer some intriguing storylines throughout 1061 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,520 Speaker 1: training camp where we started with Chandler Jones, and then 1062 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:34,560 Speaker 1: the bounce back for Davon Kinnard, the return perhaps of 1063 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,759 Speaker 1: Dennis Gardeck, and then obviously we know we're gonna be 1064 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,120 Speaker 1: able to hear and see Marcus Golden because you always 1065 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,120 Speaker 1: hear and see Marcus Golden. He is that guy that 1066 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,000 Speaker 1: the energy, Yes it is. It is very fun you 1067 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,680 Speaker 1: get off a zoom interview with him, or just when 1068 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,160 Speaker 1: we once upon a time in our profession we were 1069 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:53,000 Speaker 1: able to do in person interviews. Marcus Golden is one 1070 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,680 Speaker 1: of those guys that you always enjoy talking to and 1071 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,319 Speaker 1: come away feeling much better about not only yourself, but 1072 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,279 Speaker 1: about everything after a conversation with Marcus. Yeah, and we 1073 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,840 Speaker 1: could tell you a story when the Cardinals were scouting 1074 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,880 Speaker 1: Shane Ray, who went to the he went to the 1075 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 1: Broncos in the first round. He had tested positive from 1076 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,160 Speaker 1: marijuana at the time, and you know, there were some 1077 00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 1: character issues. But when they're watching Missouri, a Missouri film, 1078 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,239 Speaker 1: that's Vince told me, told me it's n Missouri. He um, 1079 00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,719 Speaker 1: they noticed Marcus Golden sticking out and here the Cardinals. 1080 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,440 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if they would have drafted 1081 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,520 Speaker 1: Shane Ray, obviously they didn't in that first round, but 1082 00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,080 Speaker 1: they end up getting him, so that that was That's 1083 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,160 Speaker 1: what happens. A lot of times. You're watching a certain 1084 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,200 Speaker 1: player who's got a first round grade or maybe an 1085 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:36,080 Speaker 1: early second and all of a sudden, Marcus Golden sticks out, 1086 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,080 Speaker 1: and so that's that's how they acquired him, and they 1087 00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,840 Speaker 1: drafted him. Yeah, you never know how or when you 1088 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,680 Speaker 1: might find that next player, and sometimes it just falls 1089 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,160 Speaker 1: into your lap. And maybe that's exactly what happened with 1090 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:52,359 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals and Marcus Golden. And on that's note, 1091 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,400 Speaker 1: let's put a lid on this discussion of the outside 1092 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,560 Speaker 1: linebacker position and this addition Cardinals covered too presented by Hunday. 1093 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,680 Speaker 1: Probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals will continue to do 1094 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,360 Speaker 1: these throughout the coming weeks as we get closer and 1095 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,399 Speaker 1: closer to training camp. As always, special thanks to our 1096 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,080 Speaker 1: executive producer Jim Amajuandro For Mike Jarecki, I'm preg rio, Lou. 1097 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,479 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time you're on Cardinals Cover 1098 00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:15,759 Speaker 1: two