WEBVTT - How To Write a Hit Song: The Love Junkies 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:14.280 Pushkin. Just a quick note here. You can listen to 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:17.240 all of the music mentioned in this episode on our playlist, 0:00:17.280 --> 0:00:19.360 which you can find a link to in the show 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:23.119 notes for licensing reasons, each time a song is referenced 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:28.360 in this episode, you'll hear this sound effect. All right, 0:00:29.000 --> 0:00:34.159 enjoy the episode. I'm Malcolm Gladwell. This is Broken Record, 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.239 and this episode is me and the Love Junkies at 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:41.280 Sony Tree Studios in Nashville. I call it an interview, 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.440 except I didn't really interview them. I felt like I 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.879 just sat in the corner laughing and made sure the 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.360 tape was running this. I know boyfriend found me last 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:55.800 week and I have you have to hear. Well, we're 0:00:55.800 --> 0:01:00.840 gonna write a Saudi mar just sing that. Oh well, 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:05.640 I'm playing girl crush. I know Bepher's voice. The one 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:09.200 talking about an old boyfriend is Liz Rose. The one 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.600 who said that's the line of a song right there 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.880 is Lloyd McKenna. The one playing guitar who said she's 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:19.880 playing girl crush is Hillary Lindsay. Hillary is the one 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.480 who helped Lady Goga go country on a million reasons. 0:01:23.200 --> 0:01:26.840 Lloyd McKenna has written for greates like Faith Hill, Tim McGraw, 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:30.839 and Reba McIntyre. Liz co wrote over half the songs 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:33.800 on Taylor Swift's debut album. They are three of the 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.319 best songwriters working in Nashville today, and every now and 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:40.880 again they hang out and write songs together as the 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:43.840 Love Junkies. We caught a glimpse of how they work 0:01:44.120 --> 0:01:47.040 when they were setting up and Laurie and Hillary decided 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:51.000 that Liz's chance encounter with an old boyfriend deserve to 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:59.800 be turned into a song. Oh shit, Okay, I'm sure 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:04.160 you other things. This is fantastic. This is fantastic, is 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:08.320 so much better anything else. We have to move on. 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:10.960 We're going to remember that, Adam, do you have a 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:14.240 recording of that that we can steal for me? Thank you? 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:19.840 How did you guys meet? They knew each other first, right, Yeah, 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:23.680 we'd been writing for Liz was one of the first. 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.400 So when I came to town, I got a publishing 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:32.040 deal in two thousand and five, and I had never 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.400 co written a song. You came, You came down here 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:38.320 from Boston. Yeah, I came like I got a publishing deal, 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.120 so like I came down to do trips. I never 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.840 lived here, but I just would fly down. And my 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.280 publisher was like, we should co write songs, and I 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.880 had never done it. I'd just been writing just it 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.600 just seemed so difficult to try to do this with 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:56.040 other people. And so my first co write I think 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:58.720 was Mark D. Sanders and Liz was maybe my third 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:02.200 or fourth, and they put me in a room with 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:07.040 and really, over the couple of years following, she taught 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.200 me how to co write a song like I didn't know. 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.720 I was with Mark de like I had just great 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.440 people they put me with in the beginning. That taught 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.000 me how the process works, and I literally fell in 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:21.200 love with it, like I lived. So we had written 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.600 a bunch you guys had written, not together. We had 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.639 written oddly enough, and never actually sat in a room 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:29.760 with each other. Because she had started a song with 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.000 Taylor Swift and then Taylor came to my house to 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:36.200 write one day, just Taylor and I, and she was like, Hey, 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:37.760 do you want to maybe help me out with this 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:39.760 song that I started with Liz Rose? And I'm like, 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.240 I don't know. I don't I don't really know Liz. 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:45.080 I don't want Liz to hate me. I don't know 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:46.720 if this is a good idea and she's like, Liz 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:48.800 won't care, Liz won't care, and I'm like, oh my god. 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.640 And so we did and then what was the song. 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.640 It's called Fearless and it actually became the title of 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:59.240 her record. And so we actually gave each other massive 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.320 hugs and really met each other for the first time 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:03.800 at the album release party. Do you remember that or 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.720 was it her birthday party or something? Remember we took 0:04:06.880 --> 0:04:09.440 photos together in the photo boot was at the birthday 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.720 at her at her party? Yeah, like right before the 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.640 record to come out or something. We're like, we wrote 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.040 a song together. I know. Nice to meet you, because 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:18.320 if you hadn't done that, that song may not it 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.440 may not have been finished, and it may not have 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.760 been the title or even made the record. How does 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:29.800 it start? We've played the beginning of it. That was good, 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:35.600 So just so I get the chronology. Here, Liz and Laurie, 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:41.200 you guys meet, and then Liz and Hillary meet, and 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.120 then but when does the whole three weeks? So then 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.960 we met too separately. We had written what we wrote 0:04:45.960 --> 0:04:51.160 a song probably two thousand and six. We had one 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.440 day together Hillary and I yeah, and then I was 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.839 terrible and I we're all afraid of each other. And 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.479 she and I had only written one song after that, yeah, 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:01.640 the other. But what happened was she had made a 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:04.039 record and I was a massive fan, and I was 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:05.680 scared to go into the room with her because she's 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.960 a genius and it was just the two of us, 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.039 and I had to sit there alone, and I got 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.280 all prepared, throwing in trying to impress her with this idea, 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:16.120 and I don't think it was good. It was really 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.440 good idea. It was like the pain on the wall 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.640 and the wall paper. But I don't remember exactly what 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.920 it was, but it was. I remember, oh, house poor, 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:26.920 who doesn't want to hear a song called the house Poor? 0:05:27.680 --> 0:05:33.360 And I was totally house poor. Yeah. But so then 0:05:33.560 --> 0:05:35.320 because I come here three days at a time, I 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:37.920 come in usually once or twice a month, or three 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:39.919 days at a time, I think what ultimately happened to 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.200 get us together? And I always stay at Liz's house, 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:45.479 and I think what happened was our publishers were like, Hey, 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:48.760 Laurie and Liz have three days together. Let's just let's 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.800 Hillary in and like have her. He's getting three days 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:54.320 in a row with Hillary or Liz is really difficult. 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:57.520 And I'm only here like three or six days a month, 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:01.839 so like, let's just put them three days together. And 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.160 and Liz was saying, and it was living in a condo, 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:09.360 this beautiful condo that we it was just wonderful. And 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:13.559 Liz's children are all grown and Laurie of course at 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:15.720 you know, being in Nashville is away from her kids, 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.560 and I was childless at the at that point. So 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.359 we just had total freedom. It was like, yeah, everybody, 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:23.240 spend the night, stay up till three o'clock in the morning. 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.080 If you want to write all the way till three, 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.760 stop at seven, watch a movie, what you know, just whatever, 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.760 wake up in the morning, make eggs, keep writing. Like 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.480 it was. It was really free. Yeah, there's a lot 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.040 of we didn't have a whole lot of good when 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.719 you write together, do you have roles? Is there who's 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.680 the adult in the room. I'm an adult in the room. 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:46.599 I am most certainly in the room. I feel like 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.320 it shifts. It doesn't we do, I feel like, but 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.200 I mean probably in general across the yes, you are 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:56.760 in general, but like a lot together sometimes this is 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.920 what we do is somebody has to be the r 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.720 artists of the song, and each song is different, for 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.400 our roles will change. We'll write two songs in a 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.680 day and the roles will change between the songs. And 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:13.480 somebody's an artist, somebody is a therapist, somebody is the cheerleader, 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:18.280 and someone is the sleeper. But we someone is a sleeper. 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:21.760 But we all we what we do. We do a 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:23.720 lot of things that are great for one another because 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:25.960 we love each other. But what we do best, I 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:29.160 think for each other is we keep each other honest. 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:31.240 And I think if any one of us says a 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.880 line that someone else doesn't believe, will be like that's 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:35.880 how you would say it, or or you know what 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.160 I mean. And we know there's no way we could 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.840 any of us could ever say something that the other 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.920 one would be like, that's dumb, because it gets like 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.520 we just we have so much respect for each other. 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:54.160 It's just really open that there's there's you know, it's 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:58.040 not critical, it's not judge. Nobody's judging anybody, and we 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.480 don't I mean you saying all of the things that 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:02.560 we all are at different times, like I mean, we've 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.360 never honestly had this conversation, so it's not like we've 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:09.120 ever analyzed that before, but when But the roles do shift, 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:13.120 but it's never discussed. It just naturally happened, you know, 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.640 And that's what we do as co writers. That's what 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:17.760 we do. Like every day that these two show up 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:21.320 in a room, it's, you know, usually there's an artist there, 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.080 so you feel your you know, you find your spot 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:26.800 somewhere else. And that's I think what we all love 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.920 about co writing. Do you when you know you're getting together, 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:33.520 do you, guys, do you on your own prepare? Are 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:37.360 you bringing material to the group? Or we always the adult? 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:42.480 Does it guilty that I can the food in the 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:47.320 wine prepare? I type everything? I am? The secretary is 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.840 really what I am. But I think we all always 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:53.600 have a lot of ideas we but what we're really 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:56.880 also good at. I'm not as good as these guys are, 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.480 but like they if I have an idea that I 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.480 don't know what it means yet they're both brilliant at 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:05.280 Like maybe it's this and that happens to me all 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.600 the time where I don't know I have I have 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.120 a title maybe, but I don't know what to do 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.880 with it. Or I have a verse maybe. But then 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.200 I started hating myself at home by myself, and I'm like, 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.520 I'll just show it to the girls and see and 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.520 then they might be, yeah, that needs some fixing, or 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.480 they'll be like, oh my god, we have to finish it. 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:23.800 And that happens to all of us sometimes. Or what 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:25.600 if this could mean this, or what if this could 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.360 mean that, you know, just talking it out. What would 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:31.640 you think back on the stuff you've written together? Is 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:35.719 there a song that was magic? I mean when I 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.679 say magic, like just came together and you were all like, wow, 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.400 it was probably girl crush. That's happened a couple of 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:46.400 times in my age and myha but you already had 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.280 so much of that. But the greatest thing to me 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:53.360 about my age is that she started. I was on 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:54.880 the other side of the room. I was playing the piano, 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.320 but I started singing something and Liz was never heard 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:00.520 it before and singing along with me. I remember you 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:02.840 looking at her like how you know these words? But 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:04.640 she knows me so well. She knew what I was 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:09.080 going to say. And then Hillary says, no, that's done. 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:10.680 You got to finish it. But I had no chorus. 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.520 I didn't know what to do with it. And she 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.839 started singing a chorus, and then we had no hook, 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:19.200 and then this one. Hillary says, well, it could be this. 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:20.920 This is terrible, but it could be this, And as 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.320 soon as she said it, we all cried like babies. 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:29.280 And to me, that's magic girl crush. That was she 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.360 kind of does this one by herself. I'm going to 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:33.199 attempt to sing harmony with you, but let me see 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:35.959 if I'm to operate. It was a nightmare. No, it 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:40.200 wasn't all joined in. You sang harmony and I sang 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:45.880 with her, bail, You sang a harmony and I sang. 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:53.120 I just doubled her in like higherment? Are you real soft? Remember? Yeah? 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.880 Remember coming back to me? Now, remember when we were 0:10:56.920 --> 0:11:00.199 playing I'm a Bactor? Oh God, was before you the 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.880 whole thing? Yes, just play me the little bit you 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:07.440 had when you started. Okay, So I had the verse. 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:10.320 What I have was the essentially the first and the 0:11:10.400 --> 0:11:13.120 last verse. And I couldn't find a chorus at home. 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:18.760 I tried and tried and tried, and I knew, and 0:11:18.800 --> 0:11:20.600 I think this happens to all of us. I knew 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:27.600 that sometimes songs before we even have almost anything, this 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:29.360 happens to me. And I'm sure, it happens to you guys. 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.720 Sometimes they'll make me cry, like just sitting there, like 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:36.400 I know there's something, but I don't know what to do. 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:41.000 And usually if left alone, I can figure it out eventually. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:44.280 And I had this for like weeks, and I did try, 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.520 and I tried and I tried, but what I have 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:51.880 was this. I'll play you this. So I played that 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:56.600 for them on the piano and she started singing the 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:00.920 chorus because because literally weird, I'm getting it was the 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.240 weirdest thing. It was wild. At that point, we were 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.199 sitting on the couch we'd gotten off, yeah, because I 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.240 can't really play the piano, but I just show them, 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:12.360 And Hillary was saying, Laura, you seem to finish that 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:14.720 song because you felt like she had written so much 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:16.960 of it. I didn't. I felt like it was wrong 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:19.760 to take a piece of it or do anything with it, 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:21.520 because I felt like she would figure it out on 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.600 her own. But I had, like I said, I had tried, 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:25.640 and when I I think when I got to riding 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.640 bags out on the street, she was like somehow singing 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.160 along with me. I don't know. I remember you saying 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:35.200 to her like, how do you know? And then so 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.719 you did the chorus, Hillary, the chorus she said out, 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:43.040 You'll grow your shoes, I'll grow your bed. Wait were 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:47.320 you sing that little thing that came to you? We 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:49.320 didn't have the hook, we didn't have that You're still 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.960 going to be my baby even when you're made. And 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:55.000 that was Hillary and she said, and she said, this 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:57.480 is dumb, but I'm just gonna say it. And as 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.559 soon as she said, well, you could say you're still 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:01.600 going to be a baby even when you're my age, 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:05.960 and we're all like, oh my god. And now all 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.480 of us we did get to sing that on the 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:11.000 aufree one night, and we've sung it together a couple 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.000 of times, and it is it's hard to get through 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.320 the whole song without losing it because we all you 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.800 just have to think about something completely. You cannot let 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.560 yourself think about it when you're singing it. Or it's 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.439 one of those songs that I call them to make 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.920 you want to throw up songs because it hurts so bad. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.960 It's like, it's so funny because we all are in 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.280 a different stage in our lives. So Laurie's writing it 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:40.160 for her kids, for her your grown kids, and you're 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:44.439 you know, Hillary's writing it from a brand new mother perspective. 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:46.880 She's three years old, So it's just really makes me 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.880 sick to my stomach. And I came up with that 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:55.240 from my two year old grandson. Yeah, because I'm always 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:59.600 buying shoes, but also that my mother's ninety five and 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:01.920 she's still call I'm the youngest of six, and she 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.839 still calls me her baby. She still says that to me, 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:09.960 You're you're my baby. God. Yeah, it's just too painful, 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:13.480 you know, I just want to say, like to me, 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.000 like not to get all religious about it, but I 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:21.040 tried for about a month to find where that's song 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.720 and you know what I mean, and and and I 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.200 just know that I was supposed to sing it that 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.920 verse for them, and they were supposed to be part 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.760 of that with me. Like I just know that creatively, 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.840 something stopped me from being able to find where it 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.320 was supposed to go because we were supposed to write 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:42.360 it together. I just totally believe that, well, which is 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.880 such a gift, I think because I love them so 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:48.680 much and we have had moments where if we weren't 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.840 sharing the moment together, it would still be great. I 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.720 think we'd all like would all so, but doing but 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.760 having the experience together is it just makes it so 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:02.560 much more. Mm hmm. You have to sing the whole 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:06.560 song now cry. It's okay to cry. It's okay to cry. 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:11.000 This is not be perfect. I'm going to be crying too. 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.280 By the way, I'm gonna move away from the mic. 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.360 Should we do it right now? Yes? Yes? Do you 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:23.560 want to clean next list? I'll just we just when 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:27.320 we come back, Laurie, Liz and Hillary play their song 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:35.280 My Age. We're back with the performance of My Age 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:42.000 from the Love Junkies. Laurie, Liz and Hillary. Yeah. Started 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:47.120 well in the middle of it, cressout. You just moved away. 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:54.960 Don't think out the sun like you asked. Have we 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.840 had magical moments like we the fact that we got 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:02.800 to create that together. Mm hmm, it's just so magical 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:04.760 to me. I love the idea that each of you, 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:11.440 Oh you're so she is still a baby, and so 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:13.920 I'm just like, oh my god, I can just see her. 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:16.600 That's why we can't look at each other. This is 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.320 when we get mad at each other when we said, 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:23.800 we're like gonna make me say that a sorry, OK. 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.520 But that idea that all of you approached that song 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:30.600 from a different perspective is so magical. We've always done 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.000 that as writers together because when we first started writing 0:16:33.040 --> 0:16:39.440 a lot together, we were like, we're about ten years 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.320 a part each of us. There's like an eight to 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:45.040 ten year thing. And uh, it was like never been married, 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:50.720 married cour times, married to one person a very long time. 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:54.560 So we have we have such different which one we're 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:58.200 been married to the same person a very long the adult? 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:03.120 The adult. I know someone's gonna make me a T shirt. 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.320 Now that says because I want to make you that. 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:10.120 I always like our if we're if we're all standing 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:13.160 on a ledge, when we try and make a decision, 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.680 explain that you explain it because you explain it better. 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:20.800 I think you do. If we're no, you do it better. Well, 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:24.440 we've had opportunities, we've been approached for things. A couple 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:26.000 of times it's like should we And we all get 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.320 on like a three way conference call because we're not together, 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:30.760 and it's like, well should we do this? Should we 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.720 do this? And we all think we all think so differently. 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:38.920 If we are all standing looking over allege and it's 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:40.760 like we should we jump because we heard it's pretty 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.560 awesome down there, like we can't see anything, we don't know, 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:48.320 and Liz is like, let's do it, let's jump, and 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.159 Hillary is like, well who else is jumped? Like do 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.240 we know like the logistics of it? And if we 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.399 don't jump, somebody else will, so maybe we should go 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:58.480 ahead and jump. And then I'm like, well, how long 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:00.720 is it going to take us to jump? Can I 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:05.160 have a flight? And all hit it? We all want 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.560 the same things in life, but we all see those 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:13.400 things so differently and and calculate our things so differently, 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:19.320 or not calculate at all. It's been married four times, 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.000 we should we do the other magical moment? So tell 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.360 me more about girl Crush. It was one of our 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.680 three days together and it was a second day. It 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:39.600 was a second day because it was morning and Laurie 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:46.159 and I were in the kitchen and uh she was 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.600 making coffee and I was We were waiting for Hillary 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:50.159 to get up, and Laurie said, hey, I got an 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.720 idea to day. I think I want to write a 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:57.200 song called girl Crush. And I immediately, without even thinking, 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:59.840 said no, which is something I'm working on. By the way, 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.719 she jumped again, you know this is I do this, 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:05.440 I jump no, and she's like, no, it'll be really cool. 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.520 It's about you know, like you know, and I was like, no, no, no, 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.600 that's stupid and we need to write, we need cuts 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.720 and we're not writing girl crush. That sounds too hard 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:16.159 to write and how are we going to do it? 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.679 And no, lord, that's dumb. And literally I think I 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.920 said that's I just said no, like I'm more worried 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:24.800 about we only had two hours. Yeah, and we only 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:27.160 had two hours strange talking about how it was. Maybe 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:29.840 we weren't talking about it all. I just said, you know, 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:33.920 it wasn't like like when somebody's doing something really great 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.680 or any nothing. She said girl crush. I said no, 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:41.560 she said girl crush. I said no, like just now, 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:48.400 you said, just like that. Hillary came in the room 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:52.439 and Laurie turned around and said, Hillary, I have a 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.280 song idea. I want to write a song called girl Crush. 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:58.520 And I didn't even have time to give her a 0:19:58.560 --> 0:20:02.080 dirty look because Hillary picked up the guitar and went, 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.680 you mean kind of like this, and she did this, 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:11.639 and I did literally we jumped on the couch and 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:15.040 went that's exactly she lived in her head. And she 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:16.600 said you mean like that. She looked at me, like, 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:18.680 you mean like that, because I had, you know, said 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:21.440 those two words. And I looked at Liz and opened 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:24.160 her notebook, the very famous notebook, and we're like, yeah, 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:27.720 that's what we mean. That's what we mean. That one 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:30.719 lick of discussion about what it means, and that was 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.480 it flowed out. You were done in an hour. It 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.600 just fell out and some genius coming through her face. 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:39.520 I was thinking, I have no idea what when you did? 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.960 Clearly it came from God. That did not come out 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:46.560 of my mind. I wasn't. I wasn't thinking, you know. 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:48.440 And we didn't get in the way with it because 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:52.320 I remember when you said, oh her, yeah, because it 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:57.120 takes and we we s I was like, okay, y'all 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:01.880 are getting really sexy. But no, we never thought about 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:03.679 what it was. But those were the lines that were 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:05.200 supposed to be in the song, and we knew that 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:07.240 it was. Wait, I'm jealous. I want to be this 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:11.280 girl because she has you. Yeah, I want you, so 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:15.000 I'm jealous. But we really sad. Once we figured out 0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:18.919 it just kept it just fell out, flying out, It 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.720 started to write itself. It was making sense to us 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:24.280 once you know, it was like a puzzle. The pieces 0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:26.200 kept coming and then it's like, oh, that's what the 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.560 song is. Who has do all of you have? Did 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:31.600 two of you both have your guitars at that moment? 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:33.000 Or is it just you and the guitar? It was 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:36.800 just me at that moment. The other crazy thing about 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:39.159 it is that if you look at the notebook on 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.359 the left hand side, there are only like five or 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:45.600 six words on it because it happened so fast and 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:50.359 it fell out so fast that there were no wasted words. 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:53.480 There were no That means pretty much everything that was 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:57.080 said in the room went on in in the song. 0:21:57.840 --> 0:22:02.440 Can you explain this? Is it just is? I think 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:06.240 it's I think it's because Hillary is a genius. No, 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:10.359 And I think it's because we're safe with We're safe 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:13.920 with one another. Even when she didn't say that's a 0:22:13.960 --> 0:22:16.200 dumb idea to me, But I didn't say I just 0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:19.840 said it sounds hard, and uh, but and it was 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:22.120