1 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Just a quick note here. You can listen to 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: all of the music mentioned in this episode on our playlist, 3 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: which you can find a link to in the show 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: notes for licensing reasons, each time a song is referenced 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: in this episode, you'll hear this sound effect. All right, 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: enjoy the episode. I'm Malcolm Gladwell. This is Broken Record, 7 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: and this episode is me and the Love Junkies at 8 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: Sony Tree Studios in Nashville. I call it an interview, 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: except I didn't really interview them. I felt like I 10 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 1: just sat in the corner laughing and made sure the 11 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: tape was running this. I know boyfriend found me last 12 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: week and I have you have to hear. Well, we're 13 00:00:55,800 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: gonna write a Saudi mar just sing that. Oh well, 14 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: I'm playing girl crush. I know Bepher's voice. The one 15 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: talking about an old boyfriend is Liz Rose. The one 16 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: who said that's the line of a song right there 17 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: is Lloyd McKenna. The one playing guitar who said she's 18 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: playing girl crush is Hillary Lindsay. Hillary is the one 19 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: who helped Lady Goga go country on a million reasons. 20 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: Lloyd McKenna has written for greates like Faith Hill, Tim McGraw, 21 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 1: and Reba McIntyre. Liz co wrote over half the songs 22 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: on Taylor Swift's debut album. They are three of the 23 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: best songwriters working in Nashville today, and every now and 24 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: again they hang out and write songs together as the 25 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: Love Junkies. We caught a glimpse of how they work 26 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: when they were setting up and Laurie and Hillary decided 27 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: that Liz's chance encounter with an old boyfriend deserve to 28 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: be turned into a song. Oh shit, Okay, I'm sure 29 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: you other things. This is fantastic. This is fantastic, is 30 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: so much better anything else. We have to move on. 31 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: We're going to remember that, Adam, do you have a 32 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: recording of that that we can steal for me? Thank you? 33 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: How did you guys meet? They knew each other first, right, Yeah, 34 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: we'd been writing for Liz was one of the first. 35 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: So when I came to town, I got a publishing 36 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: deal in two thousand and five, and I had never 37 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: co written a song. You came, You came down here 38 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: from Boston. Yeah, I came like I got a publishing deal, 39 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: so like I came down to do trips. I never 40 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: lived here, but I just would fly down. And my 41 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: publisher was like, we should co write songs, and I 42 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: had never done it. I'd just been writing just it 43 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: just seemed so difficult to try to do this with 44 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: other people. And so my first co write I think 45 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: was Mark D. Sanders and Liz was maybe my third 46 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: or fourth, and they put me in a room with 47 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: and really, over the couple of years following, she taught 48 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: me how to co write a song like I didn't know. 49 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: I was with Mark de like I had just great 50 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: people they put me with in the beginning. That taught 51 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: me how the process works, and I literally fell in 52 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: love with it, like I lived. So we had written 53 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: a bunch you guys had written, not together. We had 54 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: written oddly enough, and never actually sat in a room 55 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: with each other. Because she had started a song with 56 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: Taylor Swift and then Taylor came to my house to 57 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: write one day, just Taylor and I, and she was like, Hey, 58 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: do you want to maybe help me out with this 59 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: song that I started with Liz Rose? And I'm like, 60 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't I don't really know Liz. 61 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: I don't want Liz to hate me. I don't know 62 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: if this is a good idea and she's like, Liz 63 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: won't care, Liz won't care, and I'm like, oh my god. 64 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: And so we did and then what was the song. 65 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: It's called Fearless and it actually became the title of 66 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: her record. And so we actually gave each other massive 67 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: hugs and really met each other for the first time 68 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: at the album release party. Do you remember that or 69 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: was it her birthday party or something? Remember we took 70 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: photos together in the photo boot was at the birthday 71 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: at her at her party? Yeah, like right before the 72 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: record to come out or something. We're like, we wrote 73 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: a song together. I know. Nice to meet you, because 74 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: if you hadn't done that, that song may not it 75 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: may not have been finished, and it may not have 76 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: been the title or even made the record. How does 77 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: it start? We've played the beginning of it. That was good, 78 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: So just so I get the chronology. Here, Liz and Laurie, 79 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: you guys meet, and then Liz and Hillary meet, and 80 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: then but when does the whole three weeks? So then 81 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: we met too separately. We had written what we wrote 82 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: a song probably two thousand and six. We had one 83 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: day together Hillary and I yeah, and then I was 84 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: terrible and I we're all afraid of each other. And 85 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: she and I had only written one song after that, yeah, 86 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: the other. But what happened was she had made a 87 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: record and I was a massive fan, and I was 88 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: scared to go into the room with her because she's 89 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: a genius and it was just the two of us, 90 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 1: and I had to sit there alone, and I got 91 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: all prepared, throwing in trying to impress her with this idea, 92 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: and I don't think it was good. It was really 93 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: good idea. It was like the pain on the wall 94 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 1: and the wall paper. But I don't remember exactly what 95 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: it was, but it was. I remember, oh, house poor, 96 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: who doesn't want to hear a song called the house Poor? 97 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 1: And I was totally house poor. Yeah. But so then 98 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: because I come here three days at a time, I 99 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: come in usually once or twice a month, or three 100 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: days at a time, I think what ultimately happened to 101 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: get us together? And I always stay at Liz's house, 102 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: and I think what happened was our publishers were like, Hey, 103 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: Laurie and Liz have three days together. Let's just let's 104 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: Hillary in and like have her. He's getting three days 105 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: in a row with Hillary or Liz is really difficult. 106 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: And I'm only here like three or six days a month, 107 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: so like, let's just put them three days together. And 108 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: and Liz was saying, and it was living in a condo, 109 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: this beautiful condo that we it was just wonderful. And 110 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,559 Speaker 1: Liz's children are all grown and Laurie of course at 111 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: you know, being in Nashville is away from her kids, 112 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: and I was childless at the at that point. So 113 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: we just had total freedom. It was like, yeah, everybody, 114 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: spend the night, stay up till three o'clock in the morning. 115 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: If you want to write all the way till three, 116 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: stop at seven, watch a movie, what you know, just whatever, 117 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: wake up in the morning, make eggs, keep writing. Like 118 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: it was. It was really free. Yeah, there's a lot 119 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: of we didn't have a whole lot of good when 120 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: you write together, do you have roles? Is there who's 121 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: the adult in the room. I'm an adult in the room. 122 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: I am most certainly in the room. I feel like 123 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: it shifts. It doesn't we do, I feel like, but 124 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: I mean probably in general across the yes, you are 125 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: in general, but like a lot together sometimes this is 126 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: what we do is somebody has to be the r 127 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: artists of the song, and each song is different, for 128 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: our roles will change. We'll write two songs in a 129 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: day and the roles will change between the songs. And 130 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: somebody's an artist, somebody is a therapist, somebody is the cheerleader, 131 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: and someone is the sleeper. But we someone is a sleeper. 132 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: But we all we what we do. We do a 133 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: lot of things that are great for one another because 134 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: we love each other. But what we do best, I 135 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: think for each other is we keep each other honest. 136 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: And I think if any one of us says a 137 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: line that someone else doesn't believe, will be like that's 138 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: how you would say it, or or you know what 139 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: I mean. And we know there's no way we could 140 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: any of us could ever say something that the other 141 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: one would be like, that's dumb, because it gets like 142 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: we just we have so much respect for each other. 143 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: It's just really open that there's there's you know, it's 144 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: not critical, it's not judge. Nobody's judging anybody, and we 145 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: don't I mean you saying all of the things that 146 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: we all are at different times, like I mean, we've 147 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: never honestly had this conversation, so it's not like we've 148 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: ever analyzed that before, but when But the roles do shift, 149 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: but it's never discussed. It just naturally happened, you know, 150 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: And that's what we do as co writers. That's what 151 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: we do. Like every day that these two show up 152 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: in a room, it's, you know, usually there's an artist there, 153 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: so you feel your you know, you find your spot 154 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: somewhere else. And that's I think what we all love 155 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: about co writing. Do you when you know you're getting together, 156 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: do you, guys, do you on your own prepare? Are 157 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: you bringing material to the group? Or we always the adult? 158 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: Does it guilty that I can the food in the 159 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: wine prepare? I type everything? I am? The secretary is 160 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 1: really what I am. But I think we all always 161 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: have a lot of ideas we but what we're really 162 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: also good at. I'm not as good as these guys are, 163 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: but like they if I have an idea that I 164 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: don't know what it means yet they're both brilliant at 165 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: Like maybe it's this and that happens to me all 166 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: the time where I don't know I have I have 167 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: a title maybe, but I don't know what to do 168 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: with it. Or I have a verse maybe. But then 169 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: I started hating myself at home by myself, and I'm like, 170 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: I'll just show it to the girls and see and 171 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: then they might be, yeah, that needs some fixing, or 172 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: they'll be like, oh my god, we have to finish it. 173 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: And that happens to all of us sometimes. Or what 174 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: if this could mean this, or what if this could 175 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: mean that, you know, just talking it out. What would 176 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: you think back on the stuff you've written together? Is 177 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: there a song that was magic? I mean when I 178 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: say magic, like just came together and you were all like, wow, 179 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: it was probably girl crush. That's happened a couple of 180 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: times in my age and myha but you already had 181 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: so much of that. But the greatest thing to me 182 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: about my age is that she started. I was on 183 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: the other side of the room. I was playing the piano, 184 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 1: but I started singing something and Liz was never heard 185 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: it before and singing along with me. I remember you 186 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: looking at her like how you know these words? But 187 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: she knows me so well. She knew what I was 188 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: going to say. And then Hillary says, no, that's done. 189 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: You got to finish it. But I had no chorus. 190 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do with it. And she 191 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: started singing a chorus, and then we had no hook, 192 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: and then this one. Hillary says, well, it could be this. 193 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: This is terrible, but it could be this, And as 194 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: soon as she said it, we all cried like babies. 195 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: And to me, that's magic girl crush. That was she 196 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: kind of does this one by herself. I'm going to 197 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: attempt to sing harmony with you, but let me see 198 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 1: if I'm to operate. It was a nightmare. No, it 199 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: wasn't all joined in. You sang harmony and I sang 200 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: with her, bail, You sang a harmony and I sang. 201 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: I just doubled her in like higherment? Are you real soft? Remember? Yeah? 202 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: Remember coming back to me? Now, remember when we were 203 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: playing I'm a Bactor? Oh God, was before you the 204 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: whole thing? Yes, just play me the little bit you 205 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: had when you started. Okay, So I had the verse. 206 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: What I have was the essentially the first and the 207 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: last verse. And I couldn't find a chorus at home. 208 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: I tried and tried and tried, and I knew, and 209 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: I think this happens to all of us. I knew 210 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: that sometimes songs before we even have almost anything, this 211 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: happens to me. And I'm sure, it happens to you guys. 212 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes they'll make me cry, like just sitting there, like 213 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: I know there's something, but I don't know what to do. 214 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: And usually if left alone, I can figure it out eventually. 215 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: And I had this for like weeks, and I did try, 216 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: and I tried and I tried, but what I have 217 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: was this. I'll play you this. So I played that 218 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: for them on the piano and she started singing the 219 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: chorus because because literally weird, I'm getting it was the 220 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: weirdest thing. It was wild. At that point, we were 221 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: sitting on the couch we'd gotten off, yeah, because I 222 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: can't really play the piano, but I just show them, 223 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: And Hillary was saying, Laura, you seem to finish that 224 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: song because you felt like she had written so much 225 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: of it. I didn't. I felt like it was wrong 226 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: to take a piece of it or do anything with it, 227 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: because I felt like she would figure it out on 228 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: her own. But I had, like I said, I had tried, 229 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: and when I I think when I got to riding 230 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: bags out on the street, she was like somehow singing 231 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: along with me. I don't know. I remember you saying 232 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: to her like, how do you know? And then so 233 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,719 Speaker 1: you did the chorus, Hillary, the chorus she said out, 234 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: You'll grow your shoes, I'll grow your bed. Wait were 235 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: you sing that little thing that came to you? We 236 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 1: didn't have the hook, we didn't have that You're still 237 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: going to be my baby even when you're made. And 238 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: that was Hillary and she said, and she said, this 239 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: is dumb, but I'm just gonna say it. And as 240 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: soon as she said, well, you could say you're still 241 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: going to be a baby even when you're my age, 242 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: and we're all like, oh my god. And now all 243 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: of us we did get to sing that on the 244 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: aufree one night, and we've sung it together a couple 245 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: of times, and it is it's hard to get through 246 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: the whole song without losing it because we all you 247 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: just have to think about something completely. You cannot let 248 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: yourself think about it when you're singing it. Or it's 249 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: one of those songs that I call them to make 250 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: you want to throw up songs because it hurts so bad. 251 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: It's like, it's so funny because we all are in 252 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: a different stage in our lives. So Laurie's writing it 253 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: for her kids, for her your grown kids, and you're 254 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: you know, Hillary's writing it from a brand new mother perspective. 255 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: She's three years old, So it's just really makes me 256 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: sick to my stomach. And I came up with that 257 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: from my two year old grandson. Yeah, because I'm always 258 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: buying shoes, but also that my mother's ninety five and 259 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: she's still call I'm the youngest of six, and she 260 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: still calls me her baby. She still says that to me, 261 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: You're you're my baby. God. Yeah, it's just too painful, 262 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: you know, I just want to say, like to me, 263 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: like not to get all religious about it, but I 264 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: tried for about a month to find where that's song 265 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: and you know what I mean, and and and I 266 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: just know that I was supposed to sing it that 267 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: verse for them, and they were supposed to be part 268 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: of that with me. Like I just know that creatively, 269 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: something stopped me from being able to find where it 270 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: was supposed to go because we were supposed to write 271 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: it together. I just totally believe that, well, which is 272 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: such a gift, I think because I love them so 273 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: much and we have had moments where if we weren't 274 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: sharing the moment together, it would still be great. I 275 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: think we'd all like would all so, but doing but 276 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: having the experience together is it just makes it so 277 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: much more. Mm hmm. You have to sing the whole 278 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: song now cry. It's okay to cry. It's okay to cry. 279 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: This is not be perfect. I'm going to be crying too. 280 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: By the way, I'm gonna move away from the mic. 281 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: Should we do it right now? Yes? Yes? Do you 282 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: want to clean next list? I'll just we just when 283 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: we come back, Laurie, Liz and Hillary play their song 284 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: My Age. We're back with the performance of My Age 285 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: from the Love Junkies. Laurie, Liz and Hillary. Yeah. Started 286 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: well in the middle of it, cressout. You just moved away. 287 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: Don't think out the sun like you asked. Have we 288 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: had magical moments like we the fact that we got 289 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: to create that together. Mm hmm, it's just so magical 290 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: to me. I love the idea that each of you, 291 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: Oh you're so she is still a baby, and so 292 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh my god, I can just see her. 293 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: That's why we can't look at each other. This is 294 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: when we get mad at each other when we said, 295 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: we're like gonna make me say that a sorry, OK. 296 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: But that idea that all of you approached that song 297 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: from a different perspective is so magical. We've always done 298 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: that as writers together because when we first started writing 299 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: a lot together, we were like, we're about ten years 300 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: a part each of us. There's like an eight to 301 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: ten year thing. And uh, it was like never been married, 302 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: married cour times, married to one person a very long time. 303 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: So we have we have such different which one we're 304 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: been married to the same person a very long the adult? 305 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: The adult. I know someone's gonna make me a T shirt. 306 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: Now that says because I want to make you that. 307 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: I always like our if we're if we're all standing 308 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: on a ledge, when we try and make a decision, 309 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: explain that you explain it because you explain it better. 310 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: I think you do. If we're no, you do it better. Well, 311 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: we've had opportunities, we've been approached for things. A couple 312 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: of times it's like should we And we all get 313 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: on like a three way conference call because we're not together, 314 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: and it's like, well should we do this? Should we 315 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: do this? And we all think we all think so differently. 316 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: If we are all standing looking over allege and it's 317 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: like we should we jump because we heard it's pretty 318 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: awesome down there, like we can't see anything, we don't know, 319 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: and Liz is like, let's do it, let's jump, and 320 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: Hillary is like, well who else is jumped? Like do 321 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: we know like the logistics of it? And if we 322 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: don't jump, somebody else will, so maybe we should go 323 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: ahead and jump. And then I'm like, well, how long 324 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: is it going to take us to jump? Can I 325 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: have a flight? And all hit it? We all want 326 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: the same things in life, but we all see those 327 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: things so differently and and calculate our things so differently, 328 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: or not calculate at all. It's been married four times, 329 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: we should we do the other magical moment? So tell 330 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: me more about girl Crush. It was one of our 331 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: three days together and it was a second day. It 332 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: was a second day because it was morning and Laurie 333 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: and I were in the kitchen and uh she was 334 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 1: making coffee and I was We were waiting for Hillary 335 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: to get up, and Laurie said, hey, I got an 336 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: idea to day. I think I want to write a 337 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: song called girl Crush. And I immediately, without even thinking, 338 00:18:57,240 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: said no, which is something I'm working on. By the way, 339 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 1: she jumped again, you know this is I do this, 340 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: I jump no, and she's like, no, it'll be really cool. 341 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: It's about you know, like you know, and I was like, no, no, no, 342 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: that's stupid and we need to write, we need cuts 343 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: and we're not writing girl crush. That sounds too hard 344 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: to write and how are we going to do it? 345 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: And no, lord, that's dumb. And literally I think I 346 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: said that's I just said no, like I'm more worried 347 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: about we only had two hours. Yeah, and we only 348 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: had two hours strange talking about how it was. Maybe 349 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: we weren't talking about it all. I just said, you know, 350 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: it wasn't like like when somebody's doing something really great 351 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: or any nothing. She said girl crush. I said no, 352 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: she said girl crush. I said no, like just now, 353 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: you said, just like that. Hillary came in the room 354 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: and Laurie turned around and said, Hillary, I have a 355 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: song idea. I want to write a song called girl Crush. 356 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: And I didn't even have time to give her a 357 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: dirty look because Hillary picked up the guitar and went, 358 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: you mean kind of like this, and she did this, 359 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: and I did literally we jumped on the couch and 360 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: went that's exactly she lived in her head. And she 361 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: said you mean like that. She looked at me, like, 362 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: you mean like that, because I had, you know, said 363 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: those two words. And I looked at Liz and opened 364 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: her notebook, the very famous notebook, and we're like, yeah, 365 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: that's what we mean. That's what we mean. That one 366 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,719 Speaker 1: lick of discussion about what it means, and that was 367 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: it flowed out. You were done in an hour. It 368 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 1: just fell out and some genius coming through her face. 369 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: I was thinking, I have no idea what when you did? 370 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: Clearly it came from God. That did not come out 371 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: of my mind. I wasn't. I wasn't thinking, you know. 372 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: And we didn't get in the way with it because 373 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: I remember when you said, oh her, yeah, because it 374 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: takes and we we s I was like, okay, y'all 375 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: are getting really sexy. But no, we never thought about 376 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: what it was. But those were the lines that were 377 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: supposed to be in the song, and we knew that 378 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: it was. Wait, I'm jealous. I want to be this 379 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: girl because she has you. Yeah, I want you, so 380 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: I'm jealous. But we really sad. Once we figured out 381 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: it just kept it just fell out, flying out, It 382 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: started to write itself. It was making sense to us 383 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: once you know, it was like a puzzle. The pieces 384 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: kept coming and then it's like, oh, that's what the 385 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: song is. Who has do all of you have? Did 386 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: two of you both have your guitars at that moment? 387 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: Or is it just you and the guitar? It was 388 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: just me at that moment. The other crazy thing about 389 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: it is that if you look at the notebook on 390 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: the left hand side, there are only like five or 391 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: six words on it because it happened so fast and 392 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: it fell out so fast that there were no wasted words. 393 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: There were no That means pretty much everything that was 394 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: said in the room went on in in the song. 395 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: Can you explain this? Is it just is? I think 396 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: it's I think it's because Hillary is a genius. No, 397 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: And I think it's because we're safe with We're safe 398 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,920 Speaker 1: with one another. Even when she didn't say that's a 399 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: dumb idea to me, But I didn't say I just 400 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: said it sounds hard, and uh, but and it was 401 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,120 Speaker 1: and my feelings weren't hurt, you know what I mean, 402 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 1: because I know where she's coming from, and and and 403 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: I think it's it's just we we're we're in an 404 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: environment and that moment where that could come through her, 405 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: and it did. It's it's we haven't If we had 406 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: a video of it, I would watch it every day. Wow, 407 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: because it's just magical to think about it. But typically 408 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: with songwriters, you hear this a lot that the ones 409 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: that just kind of fall out of them and the 410 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: ones that happened so fast and they don't know really 411 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: where it came from either are a lot of times 412 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: the ones that become the big hits for them, you know, 413 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: the ones that sometimes stand the test of time, you know. 414 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you hear that all the time, and I'm 415 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: sure you've had it happen before, and you've had it 416 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: happened before, and I've had it happen before with other 417 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: songs too. It's a very rare occurrence. I wish it 418 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: happened more than it did, but I really don't know. 419 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 1: I know, for me, the setting was that I definitely 420 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: felt free and comfortable. I was at peace, But I 421 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: don't know why. I don't know. I don't know why 422 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: that happened. I don't know how that happened. How far 423 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: how far into this so we have this magic moment? 424 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: How far into the moment were you sure it was 425 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: going to were like we did going to thought nobody 426 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 1: wrote a cool song. We liked the song a lot, 427 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: but that's kind of all we thought was probably this 428 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: is going to be a massive We played it for 429 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: Scott I think he brought us lunch or something, and 430 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: and he got it. And we played it for Liza's 431 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: son who brought us at lunch because we didn't know 432 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: if it because sometimes when you're talking about the song 433 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: so much, it makes sense to us because we're all 434 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: sitting here talking about what we're going to say, and 435 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: then you don't you have to go back and be like, 436 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: but it will make sense to someone listening that doesn't 437 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: know what we're talking about. And he got it. He's like, 438 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: of course, makes sense, it makes total sense. Well, the 439 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 1: point is is that there's a lot of rejection so 440 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: and a lot of times the ones that you think 441 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: are really cool, I mean you're just a little bit 442 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: afraid that that might be too cool for like radio 443 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: or something like, you know, like nobody's gonna want it 444 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: because maybe it's not commercial enough, not too cool that's 445 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: probably the wrong way of saying it, but just not 446 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: commercial enough, not radio friendly enough, you know. So we 447 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: loved the song, but we just didn't really know if 448 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: it would ever get cut, And then once it was cut, 449 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: we it wasn't supposed to be a single, le yeah, 450 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't even yeah. But what happened was after a 451 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: little big town cut it, we were getting text messages 452 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 1: and phone calls from other writers in town that had 453 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: heard and be like, man, that song is cool, like 454 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: for you to come up with a new way to 455 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: say a story about jealousy, which we again was like, 456 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: so we knew that like our peers, and that's the 457 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: biggest preplement peers tell you. That's so thrilling to any 458 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: of us. And then Chris started and everybody was wanting 459 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: to the press about the new album. They were all 460 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: calling us wanting to talk about Girl Crush. But but 461 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: it was not supposed to be a single. I don't 462 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: believe it was supposed to be a fourth single. Remember 463 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make I'm gonna make you guys play it now. Okay, 464 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: we'll be back with more from the Love Junkies and 465 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:40,479 Speaker 1: another song after the break. We're back with Liz Laurie 466 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: and Hillary the Love Junkies. You know what's interesting with 467 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 1: that song is that listening to you sing it here 468 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: in person, it suddenly becomes a grown up song. It's 469 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: like a serious make everything seem a little sadder. Maybe 470 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: so then maybe others because sometimes you like you'll get 471 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: a video of someone singing it, like at a wedding 472 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: or you know, someone like not not Karen, but somebody else, 473 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: and it does seem a little well, it's I mean, 474 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: it is anything, but that is a sad situation. I mean, 475 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: she said somebody's got the man she loves. I mean, 476 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,239 Speaker 1: you know, if you really think about it like that, 477 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: I never really thought about it as being sad either, 478 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: but I guess it is. You know why I say 479 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: that because I had Maybe it's because you guys are 480 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: singing it in front of me. Yeah it was. It was. 481 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: Now it's a it's a grown woman saying she has 482 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: the feeling that a adolescent has, as opposed to an 483 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: adolescent saying I'm having adolescent feelings right. So now it's 484 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: like that because it makes it even more powerful. I've 485 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: been transported back to that horrible place in my adolescence 486 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: when I had these irrational, powerful emotional feelings, and that's 487 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: that's what's driving me crazy. Yeah, I'm forty five years old, 488 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm sixty. Like that's to me. 489 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: What see that girl right now? Yeah? I can't swimming pool. 490 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: I can see her right now too. I saw her 491 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: when I looked in the mirror this morning. This specially 492 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: be this other thing I want to talk about. I 493 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: want to talk about what a country song is these days? 494 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: Is that a country song? Does it matter? Maybe it 495 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: doesn't matter, but I'm just curious. I think it's just 496 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: a song. I mean, I'm sure some of the some 497 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: people would say it does matter. But from a writing perspective, 498 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: we just try to just write a song, like we 499 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,239 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, try not to think too 500 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,239 Speaker 1: much about that kind of thing. Sometimes when you get 501 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,360 Speaker 1: in the studio that will kind of play a little 502 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: bit more into it because you have to pick like 503 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: different instrumentation and stuff, so that might make it a 504 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: little more pop sounding or a little more country sounding. 505 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: But as far as like when we're just sitting around 506 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: with guitars, we just really just try to write a 507 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: good song. You know, you don't feel like you belong 508 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: to a tradition, Well you're acting within particular gen you 509 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: just I mean, yes, she she writes, I mean she 510 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: can write anything, but we are writing in a particular genre. 511 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: It's why we that's why we write in Nashville. That's 512 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: why we embrace this community. I mean, the best songwriters 513 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,239 Speaker 1: in the world are in Nashville, Tennessee. So that you know, 514 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: that's how we feel. And and that's why people come 515 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: from every genre to this town to write with Nashville songwriters. 516 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: So but I do believe, we believe we belong to 517 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: a genre. Although we can step out and do other things. 518 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: We are country songwriters. And but that day when we 519 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: wrote that specific song, let's write a country song, like 520 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, it was just like, let's write a song 521 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: with this title, right, Like it wasn't like we were 522 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: trying to necessarily conform to anything. Is there a song 523 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: that you guys have done, either individually or collectively, that 524 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: feels like a real country song too? Well, we never 525 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: finished it, but remember, and I'm sure we have another y' 526 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: all can answer that better. But that just popped in 527 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: my head. I remember the last time we all got together. 528 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: It was the night the day we did the opry 529 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: that night, and so we wrote it my house. I 530 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 1: was just looking at that what's it called? And I 531 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: can't remember she had the title and we were saying, 532 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: how somebody said, let's try to write it more in 533 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: a like traditional country country way. We didn't finish it, 534 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: though country is very country. You remember it, Lorie. It 535 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: wasn't the if I should have known, I shouldn't no better, 536 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: but no, I don't know. I think that is what 537 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 1: it was. It was like, but it had more of 538 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: a country thing. It was something like I should know better, 539 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: but I don't and it or something like that, I 540 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: don't like that much. Well finish it sometimes. And it's 541 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: funny because I think Girl Crush she is kind of 542 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: very conscious that, you know, the leans towards six ' 543 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: eight a lot the tempo that song I have issues, 544 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: although she can do any tempo, but but that's where 545 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: that landed in that whole like just kind of wallsy feeling. 546 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: But girl Crust as a title sounds like it could 547 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: be really pop, but it's also a motown sort of 548 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: throwback thing. Felt a little there's all that too going 549 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: on with it, so, you know, and when you look 550 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: at the production, the little big town production of that song, 551 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: there's so much restraint in that. You know, there's so 552 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: much that isn't there that is so necessarily beautiful, like 553 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: just so necessary now and so beautiful that Jay Joyce 554 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: and the banded in recording that song like they should. 555 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: They could have gone to town and they didn't, and 556 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: it's just so perfect the way they the way that 557 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: that it ended up. Yeah, we were lucky that we 558 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,479 Speaker 1: actually never made it into the studio to demo that 559 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: we never demoed it, so they cut it just off 560 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: of the work tape on our iPhone, just like us 561 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: sitting there singing on that. Why do you say you 562 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: were lucky because we might have messed up the Dagon demo, 563 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: we might have the production of it, we might have 564 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: who knows, or we might have nailed it, but who knows. 565 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: Like they got to take it into the studio and 566 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: create the sound around it, you know. So the other 567 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: thing that interests me is is what it means for 568 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: a woman to write a song. Do you how much 569 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: of your music couldn't be played by a man, or 570 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: to not be performed by a man? Yeah, hmm, I 571 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: don't know. I mean for me personally, like it's you know, 572 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: when I'm writing, like with with the two of them, 573 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: we typically you know, lean towards writing women songs. Clearly 574 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 1: we're women. We have sat in the room before and 575 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: and tried to write what we call them dude songs. 576 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: Did you ever? Have you ever? No? Do you remember any? 577 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: Can you pay me a little bit of a dude song? So? 578 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,960 Speaker 1: I bet it was written for a copper tone and 579 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: that song is partying though I love that song. No, 580 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: we can probably if we can find it on our 581 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: if we can find a demo. Let me see, yeah, 582 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 1: we have a demo. You don't remember it well enough 583 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: to How many songs have you guys written together? Now? Wild? 584 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: Wild is her favorite color? Oh yeah, I play that, 585 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: but that could still be a girl song. Yeah, but 586 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: it's really but we wrote it with Chris Stapleton in 587 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: our heads? Yeah? What was that other one? Like something 588 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: about the boat thing? Anchor here drop anchor? Yeah? Yeah here? Yeah? 589 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 1: Which one am I looking up? I might not be 590 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: you literally declare up front that it's time to write 591 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: a dude song. Is that No? We had a little 592 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: phase where we tried to do that at and it 593 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: was not and it was fun, but it wasn't like 594 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,719 Speaker 1: we just declared it. It was more like somebody might 595 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: have a title and it was like, oh, that's kind 596 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: of sounds like a dude title. And there are a 597 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: lot of dudes cutting right now. It's like that kind 598 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: of thuff, you know what I mean. When we're trying, 599 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: when we put on our business hats, it can go there. 600 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: Sometimes we got a paycheck, you know, ready to get 601 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: your mind blown? This might be really bad. Okay, what 602 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: year was this? Not too long ago? Like this song? 603 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: I love this song. This song is so cool. Christian 604 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: Buff put it and we can't take the heat. Can't 605 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: they jump in the swim in to see wait guys 606 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: ting am on, come on, take along, let me get 607 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: to it. But water make it harder. Capon Chlory. Yeah, 608 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:21,919 Speaker 1: it was so sweet, so sweet, m you and me chemistry. 609 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 1: Cappon Chlory. Yay. Hey you missed a spawl on your back, Bud. 610 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry. That song is awesome. That song 611 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: has not been cut, you believe. I mean, I actually 612 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: really love that songs. We should we should, well we shouldn't. 613 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: Christian Bush cut it, but he did. I don't think 614 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: you would be Jacob, are you going going? Tim would 615 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: be amazing. I think Tim has heard it. I think 616 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: his people have heard it. Any Yeah, it's a good 617 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: song right here pitching songs, yeah, Tone and chlorine. You 618 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: guys have so much fun together. How do you go 619 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: back to writing by yourself? Isn't it so sad? I don't. 620 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: I mean, she does a lot, she writes a lot 621 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: by herself. I honestly don't write by myself. Well, I 622 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: don't live here, So if I lived here, I would 623 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: just call one of my friends. I would just have 624 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 1: I also can't write every day. These guys write every day. 625 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: I cannot write every day. I'm not. My brain just isn't. 626 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: I'm just not that smart and I sort of have 627 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: That's why I think. I you know, if I do 628 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: come in with, say, more titles, it's because I've been 629 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,720 Speaker 1: saving them up. Then you guys have to write titles. 630 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: But but I mean, like you guys write every day. 631 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: So it's like I think, I think I probably write, 632 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: you know, six or eight songs a month, and these guys, 633 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: you know, that's probably double that. Oh. I write every 634 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: day every single day, pretty much, sometimes twice a day. 635 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: Not on the weekends. I said, for two weekends ago, 636 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: I wrote all weekend. Why because I had to, so 637 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: for me, I got to I mean that's terrible because 638 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 1: I had to poor me. But I mean, I think 639 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 1: it's just opportunity. It's like if you don't, somebody else will. 640 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: And I love doing it. It's fun and and like 641 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: where most people go to lunch with their friends and 642 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: go shopping. And our friendship, our girl time is when 643 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,040 Speaker 1: we write. I mean, my best friends came from this business. 644 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,120 Speaker 1: My best friends came from you know, they're my best friends. 645 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: And it's because we hang out together and we were 646 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: very protective of each other and we love each other 647 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: and we're we're more sisters than co writers, you know. 648 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: So you can get burnt out though by writing too much. 649 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: You get burnout on us, not our friendship, on writing 650 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: every day. Like I am sometimes very envious of Lorie's 651 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 1: life and being able to like step away from it 652 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: and then come back into it and step away from 653 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: it and this, you know, because being here it is 654 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: it is like, well, somebody else is going to do it, 655 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: so you can't drop the ball. Well and for me, 656 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 1: being a publisher different, I have to set an example 657 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: for writers, but everybody's different, you know. But Craig Wiseman 658 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: used to always say, what is it? It's like a farmer. 659 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: The more seeds you throw out there, the more crop 660 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: you'll get. So there's that whole theory too, of just 661 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: having more songs. And every day you wake up and go, 662 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: I've got to write today, and there's nothing in my brain. 663 00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: And it's crazy. You walk in a room with nothing 664 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 1: in your brain, and as soon as you hear music 665 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,919 Speaker 1: or somebody starts talking to you about something, suddenly this 666 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: thing comes out and it's like, holy cow, where did 667 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: that come from? And to circle back around, that is 668 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: why we probably don't write along because you wouldn't walk 669 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: into it, wouldn't. You have to have the other people. 670 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 1: I have to have the other people to help inspire 671 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: and help. I mean, you know, we just feed off 672 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: of each other, you know so. But Laurie writes geniusly 673 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: by herself. My favorite song in the world is still 674 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: your Next Lover. I love that song. That song is 675 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: so brilliant, right, and I was gonna I want you 676 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: to play one last song together? Should we do that one? Well, 677 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: they don't know that one. What's one you can all 678 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: sing together? We could do sober? What else can we do? 679 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: We could do? I mean I have to think, Patsy, 680 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: we could do. I don't. I have to think about Patsy. 681 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: It's not my brain. You want me to play it? 682 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,680 Speaker 1: How great to be in position? You guys, are you've 683 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 1: written so many successful songs you've forgotten Well, we know 684 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,200 Speaker 1: it's not that you've written so many successful ones. It's 685 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: that you've written so many. Yeah, because most of them 686 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: are sitting on a shelf somewhere on the compewter Shehell, 687 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, we got you and you're trying to tell 688 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 1: me the chord and I'm ready in the wrong. But 689 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: that is a song about songs, So that is that 690 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,000 Speaker 1: is a song about how we feel about songwriting. Like 691 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: I want to pray it like Jesus listening, I want 692 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 1: to play it like it's all we have and uh, 693 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: it's It's not a song for everybody, but I think 694 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: people that love songs that have heard that song, well, 695 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, but if I if everybody else can identify, 696 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: because it's really about how we sit there and like 697 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: we like some days the song is easy and it 698 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: and it and it's there in the room and you 699 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: can feel it in the room. And some days we 700 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: just literally pour our hearts into it and we we 701 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: kind of fight it until it's right. And we that's 702 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: why I can't do it every day because like you 703 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: have to like just you know, give it your guts 704 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,359 Speaker 1: every day and and and so much of what we 705 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: do and nobody hears it but us, and you can't. 706 00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 1: You can't let that weigh on you because you got 707 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: to pour your gut out the next day again. And 708 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,719 Speaker 1: that that's what that song is, I think for all 709 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: of us, Like I'm not the best singer in the world, 710 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna sing like I'm gonna give it my heart, 711 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's and we that 712 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: was something that was a song I needed to write 713 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: and and I say for these two to write together. 714 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: And we just had a ball writing it one night. 715 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,200 Speaker 1: We had a little whiskey I think or something. Why 716 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: maybe we probably didn't have whiskey, but but that's the 717 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,839 Speaker 1: kind of thing we do together because like we will 718 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: save things for each other that we know, like I 719 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: don't know how to do this, but these guys will. 720 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: And that's an example of that. I still don't know 721 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 1: how to play it. Obviously we did not many thanks 722 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,440 Speaker 1: to the Love Junkies Liz Rose, Lloyd McKenna and Hillary 723 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,880 Speaker 1: Lindsay for coming on Broken Record. We put together a 724 00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: playlist of our favorite songs they've written on our website, 725 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,959 Speaker 1: broken record dot Com. Broken Record is produced by Justin 726 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: Richmond and Jason Gambrel, with help from mea LaBelle, Jacob Smith, 727 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,880 Speaker 1: Julia Barton, and Jacob Weisberg. Special thanks to my co 728 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: hosts Rick Rubin and Bruce Headlam. Our Broken Record theme 729 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: music is by Kenny Beats. This show is brought to 730 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: you by Pushkin Industries. I'm Malcolm Bradwick.