1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Ron and Anian. A lot of things can make an 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: engine not reach power. This could be low fuel pressure 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: and the float chart will never take you take you 4 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: through that. This could be restricted exhaust. The car Doctor 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: pull the fuse out. Look at it. I've seen fuses 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: do some flaky things, and I'm getting in the habit 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: on intermittence just looking at fuses. Now, welcome to the 8 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: radio home of Ron and Anian, the Car Doctor. Since 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: this is where car owners the world overturned to for 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: you a busy signal, pick up the phone and call 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: in the garage to orders are open, but I am 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: here to take your calls. At eight five and now 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: he running. Hey, it's time to start your engines. Along 15 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: welcome Money and the car Doctor as we kick off 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: this hour of the Car Doctor at five zero nine 17 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: zero zero. Here to think your halls and answer your 18 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: questions and uh kind of mosey on down the road. 19 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: My name is Drawn and Any and a k a. 20 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: The Car Doctor. Been here for oh twenty eight plus 21 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: years or so talking to you about radio and how 22 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: to fix it and solve it. So if you've got 23 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: a problem, make it my problem. Let's get together here 24 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: on air. Give me a shout zero zero zero. A 25 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: lot I want to talk about this week, I think 26 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: among them. Um Um. I played tech line a little 27 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: bit this week. I I it was funny. I noticed 28 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: that the calls for help from shops around me that 29 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: I deal with on a professional basis, you know, is 30 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 1: helping them out solving problems where they bring it to 31 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: the shop or are increasing, which which tells me the 32 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 1: complexity is increasing, which we knew, and the ability to 33 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: deal with it and the skill set is shrinking. And 34 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: um that that that that says a lot, and it's 35 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: the numbers have been going up. This week, I was 36 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: working on five separate cars outside of the load in 37 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: the shop and that we fixed them all, We figured 38 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: them all out. But it's still it's just you know, 39 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: it tells you what's what's going on, because it's not good. 40 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: And it's still a case that I go to training 41 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: class and I still go to classes. I still attend 42 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: classes Automotive Training Group and uh uh Jerry Trullia and 43 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: his bunch, um uh, you know what they're trying to do, 44 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: technician service training and um, you know it's still empty 45 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: classrooms for what I think should be there. It's a 46 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: small fraction of the technicians that are there. You know, 47 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: I think it's partly I don't know, if we don't 48 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: want to face orto repair. We're just afraid of it. 49 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: You know. We got by with this, and my dad 50 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: did this, and this is how it used to work, 51 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: and this is how it's gonna work. But the problem is, 52 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's just not gonna last for long, 53 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: and we're gonna run out of time. We're gonna run 54 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: out of technicians, and we we've surely run out of 55 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: common sense. Has anybody seen this ruling by the Michigan Court? Uh, 56 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: does tire rotation include tightening lug nuts? Michigan Court thinks 57 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: about it for a while and concludes no. This article 58 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: is written by Aaron Gordon Um. It looks like and 59 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: it's in UM on MSN dot com, And it is 60 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: absolutely the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life. 61 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: This is sort of a kin to you can put 62 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: your shoes on, but you don't have to tie the laces. 63 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: All right, well, shurely, we'll go down. Is one of 64 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: the most in history, is one of the most galaxy 65 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: brain court rulings. He's being way too kind. I would 66 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: have said absolutely stupid. A Michigan appeals court determined that 67 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 1: a tire rotation does not, in fact include tightening the 68 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: lug nuts. Now you've gotta understand something, folks. This is 69 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: what happens when you allow the government to explain something 70 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: to you about how our procedures should be done. What 71 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: moron thinks you don't have to tighten lug nuts and 72 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 1: do a tire rotation. And I guess that's true. If 73 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: you don't want to take the car down the road, 74 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: you don't have to tighten the lug nuts. But if 75 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: you want to take the car down the road safely, 76 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: so maybe it should be. You can get a tire rotation. 77 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: You don't have to put the lug nuts on. You 78 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: gotta call a flatbed and have that drive you around. 79 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: I mean it goes to show you the lack of 80 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: understanding of what auto repair is, because a court in 81 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: Michigan actually ruled this. Here's the story, all right, let 82 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: me get to the part. Let see it's um in 83 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: an initial trial. No, no, we don't want to start there. Um. 84 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: Let's see it talks about In October, Sam and Doris 85 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: took their car home from a dealership in Grand Rapids, Michigan, 86 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: after having some basic repairs and maintenance conducted, one of 87 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: which included a tire rotation. I'm paraphrasing a little bit here. 88 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: About two blocks from the dealership, the left front wheel 89 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: came off, causing the car to skin into a turn. 90 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: Turns out the mechanic did not tighten the lug nuts. Sam, 91 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,239 Speaker 1: who sustained the lower back and leg injugies, leg injuries 92 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: and the crash, sued the dealership at the mechanic for negligence. 93 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: I would agree with that. I mean, that's that's in 94 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: in this day and age, I can understand that in 95 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: typical legal maneuver. Sam's attorney, his last name is a Naya. 96 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: I believe that's the way that's pronounced. Attorney invoked a 97 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: Motor Vehicle Service and Repair Act. So here we go 98 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: government regulation trying to dictate and predicate on what order 99 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: repair should be, which is a nineteen seventy four law 100 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: that protects car owners against unfair and deceptive practices by mechanics. 101 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: In addition to the charge of negligence, They did so 102 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: because it defended that violate the m v R mv 103 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: s r A must not only pay damages, but also 104 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: the plaintiffts legal in court courts in cases involved in 105 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: cases involving screwed up oil changes or tire rotations, the 106 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: legal fees can often be far higher than the damages. 107 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 1: In the initial trial, the court instructed the jury that 108 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: the dealer in the mechanic hadn't violated MVR mvs R A. 109 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: The mechanic committity have forgotten to tighten the lug nuts. 110 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you something, And I don't agree 111 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: with this ruling, all right. There's a difference between forgetting 112 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: and out and out deception. And I think that's where 113 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: the line is. You know, when I go out to 114 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: purchase insurance and we talk about liability insurance for the 115 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: shop every year, and I talked to my insurance guy 116 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 1: and he, you know, he says, you're covered. You've got 117 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 1: enough liability. You know, we talked about what's the difference 118 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: between you know, God forbid, we do a break job 119 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: on a car and it rolls off a cliff filled 120 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: with orphans, and it hits a busload of nuns coming 121 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: up the other way, And he said, you know, I said, 122 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: that's three or four million dollars and he said, yeah, 123 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: but the odds of that happening. And you know, if 124 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: that's defective parts, that's not on you, that's actually on 125 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 1: the parts manufacturer, as long as they were installed correctly. 126 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: So there's always that fine line of you know, neglect, deception, 127 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: and inability. All right, So this ruling is really all 128 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: about MV. S r A, if you read it, is 129 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: really all about if a mechanic says he did something, 130 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: charged you for it, but in actuality he didn't do it. 131 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: Because here's the crazy part. The court ruled that the 132 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: m B s r A had not been violated since 133 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: it protects consumers from, among other things, the court decided 134 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: charges for repairs that are not performed. The judges felt 135 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: they needed to determine if, in fact, the tire rotation 136 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: was performed. Hey, did they do a tire rotation? That's 137 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: how the ruling ended up with an entire section titled 138 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: interpretation of the word performed. So, in other words, the 139 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: court made a big federal case no pun intended out 140 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: of no no court, no judge, you get it um 141 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: out of did they actually rotate the tires? Listen, genius, 142 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: you took the tires off the car. You loosen the 143 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: lug nuts. You gotta tighten the lung nuts, all right. 144 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: So the judge managed to reach the following conclusion about 145 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: whether a tire rotation is performed if one does not 146 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: tighten the lug nuts. Here you go, here's government doing 147 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: order repair. You're ready for this. We conclude under the 148 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: plane language, I'm gonna read this verbatim MCL seven lower 149 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: case A that defendants did perform a tire rotation, albeit negligently. 150 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: There is no support for the trial courts determination that 151 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: the tire rotation is not performed if a service person 152 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: fails to sufficiently tighten the lug nuts on one tire. 153 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: And there you have it. So, in other words, you 154 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: can be a complete idiot, do a tire rotation, not 155 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: tighten the lug nuts, and you're not putting anybody in 156 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: any sort of harm. You're not responsible. The court says 157 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: that it's it's it's not your fault. Hey, you did 158 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: your best. Is this are we are we playing? Is this? 159 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: You know? Is this t ball? Are we all trying 160 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: to win trophies? Here? Hey, Johnny did his best. Everybody 161 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: gets to go home and have cake. I don't understand this. 162 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: Mr Ray. You want to make a comment, I'm just 163 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: gonna say it kind of makes you wonder what if 164 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: the ruling would have been different had this happened to 165 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: the judge or his wife or one of his kids. 166 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: Well that and it makes you wonder, God forbid there 167 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: was a fatality. You know, how many of us show 168 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: of hands virtually right for everybody out there listening, how 169 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: many of us get up to a traffic light and 170 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: you go, God, this intersection needs a traffic light, right, 171 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: You think to yourself, I'm sorry before it's a traffic light, right, 172 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: you go, God, they gotta put a light here. And 173 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't happen for the longest time, and then unfortunately 174 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: there's an accident, and sometimes there's a fatality. And isn't 175 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: it amazing how the genius doesn't show arge then put 176 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: the traffic light up after the fact. Well, I guess 177 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: we need a light here pulling out of my street 178 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: and I've been pulling out of my street where I 179 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: live for sixty years. All right. If you look to 180 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: the left, the site distance between where the genius put 181 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: the trees up and the stop signed to get out 182 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: of my street. He cut it down by two thirds. 183 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: It's hard to make a left turn. And I've explained 184 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 1: this to my wife because the road we live on 185 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: off of is a busy road and it's it's it's 186 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: a forty five speed limit, so forty five miles an hour. 187 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: I've got less than two and a half car lanes 188 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: of of of sight vision from to the stop sign, 189 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: from the stop sign to see if a car is coming. 190 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: Do you know I've I've complained to the police department, 191 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: I've complained to the to the town workers. I've complained 192 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: to the county police. Everybody. Nobody responds, Nobody says, yeah, 193 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: you're right. But I've gone out there and clocked it. 194 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: I've had somebody drive along at forty five from the 195 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: minute I see the bumper to the minute they get 196 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: to the stop sign. It's two and a half seconds. 197 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: Two and a half seconds is not enough time to 198 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: react to a car coming. And I don't know, I'm 199 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: gonna say it here on there. I'll probably get a 200 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: traffic light at the end of my street. Hopefully somebody, 201 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: well I guess hopefully. When when somebody has an accident 202 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: and survives, is what I'm trying to survey say, because 203 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: I sure as heck hope it isn't the other way. Um, 204 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: but the insanity of all this, So there you go. 205 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: So I just want to let everybody know that you 206 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: can now go get your tires rotated and not to 207 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: tighten lug nuts. And if the wheels fall off, who cares. 208 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: The court said it's the way, and that's just the 209 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: way it must be. That's the problem with auto repair. 210 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: I defy anybody that is presiding over this case to 211 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: go spend the day in a repair shop. Okay, I 212 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: I absolutely implore you to do that. I defy you 213 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: to walk out of that repair shop without thinking. Huh. 214 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: I guess there are some essential things that just it's 215 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: just common sense. It's you know, it'd be one thing 216 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: if they did an oil change and didn't change the filter. 217 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna get hurt. The car is gonna keep running, 218 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: all right, It's not gonna be great for its longevity, 219 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: but it's still gonna keep running. But what's next. We 220 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: have to replace break parts and not tighten all the 221 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: parts of the calipers don't fall off, so the rotor 222 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 1: doesn't fall off. So I don't know, you know, and 223 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: in the words of the late Great Bob Grant, it's 224 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: sick out there, folks, and it's getting sicker. Eight five 225 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: five five six zero nine nine zero zero. Running any 226 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: of the Car Doctor coming back right after this. I've 227 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: got number time right it on the wall, so you 228 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: don't forget to call for car advice. Done right? Eight 229 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: five five five zero zero zero. Now back to row, 230 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: you know, not to keep banging that drum. But guarding 231 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: that Michigan court ruling that tightening lugnuts is not part 232 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: of a tire rotation? Does that mean if you were 233 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: to reroof a house, all you have to do is 234 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: lay the shingles on. You don't have to use nails 235 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: or screws to attach it. I mean that's the same logic, 236 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: isn't it. And these are the people that are running 237 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: the courts. Uh, hopefully we're on. I think we are 238 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: actually are on in Maryland. Let's see if we get 239 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: any response in Michigan. Rather Stephen Maryland. I'm sorry, Steve, 240 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: I'm beating up Maryland unfairly, so, Steve, welcome to the 241 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: Car Doctor, the great show you have, sir. You're welcome, sir. 242 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: What's going on. I've got Toyota Tacoma pre Runner four 243 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: cylinder automatic, of course, and uh I was looking at 244 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: the front end steering mechanism and linkage the other day 245 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: and I noticed that there's no fittings on any of 246 00:12:54,480 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: the steering components. Uh I saw at a car parts 247 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: store that they have a fitting that you can put 248 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: on the end of a grease gun and it has 249 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: a heavy gauge hypodermic needle on it, and the idea 250 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: is you can insert that into the rubber boot on 251 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: each of the fittings on the front end linkage and 252 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: inject grease because they don't have any grease fittings on them. 253 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: I wanted to know how you felt about doing that. 254 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: What you're talking about, and this has been going on 255 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: for a while. UM is a hypodermic syringe type device 256 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: that it fits on the end of a grease gun 257 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: and it's a thin needle, and the concept is that 258 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: you inserted into the rubber boot and give it a 259 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: shot of grease. And I'm familiar with the idea. Those 260 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: needles originally came out because back in the seventies we 261 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: were trying to lubricate grease fittings on universal joints in 262 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: the universe. Russell joints between the yoke and the body 263 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: of the shaft was so big that nothing would fit. 264 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: So they had to come up with a real thin hyperdermic. Uh. 265 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: Just what you're seeing, you're you're you're seeing probably the 266 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: second or third evolution of what it was back in 267 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: the seventies to make that work. I like the idea, 268 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: but I don't like the idea. Of My concern is 269 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: inserting it into the rubber boot. Then how do you 270 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: seal the boot? Now? I guess you could rube Goldberg 271 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: it and you know, maybe put a dash of black 272 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: RTV over it to seal the boot and make it 273 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: waterproof again. But the truth is that, you know, front 274 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: end components just don't wear like they once did. We don't, 275 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: we don't have those issues. You know, we'll typically see 276 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: a hundred a hundred and twenty five thousand miles out 277 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: of a front end part before May, and it may 278 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: may or not show some somewhere, and tear parts are 279 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: lasting longer that tyrod. If it's you know, that factory 280 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: piece or even a replacement. You have to market piece 281 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: that doesn't have a grease fitting the better quality stuff, 282 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: not that not some of the cheaper Chinese junk that 283 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: I can think of. Um, you know, you'll typically get 284 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: a hundred thousand miles out of that front end piece 285 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: because they've got either teflon or some kind of high 286 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: quality um and endurable sleeve inside that ball and sockets 287 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: set up so that you you don't necessarily wear it out. Um. 288 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: My my concern is sealing the rubber boot once your 289 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: rupture it. And then the second part of it is 290 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: is it really necessary? You know? Are we are we 291 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: worried about something that we really don't have to because 292 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: of the way the component is made today, And I 293 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: think in a lot of cases they are. You know, 294 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: it's it's I get this question a couple of times 295 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: a year, not a whole lot, which tells me that 296 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: people are concerned about it. You know, maybe we're maybe 297 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: we're still thinking a little bit old school, which is okay, 298 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: you know, automotive automotive repair habits are hard to break, 299 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's a it's a fair question, 300 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: but I just I don't I don't think it's necessary, Steve, 301 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: I really don't. Um, you know, uh, you know, because 302 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: then then the issue is gonna become. Are you gonna 303 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: do that to every every component on the front end, 304 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: and are you going to keep track of it at 305 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: oil changes so that you know that the RTV, the 306 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: way that you sealed the rubber boot has stayed sealed 307 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: and it hasn't popped out, because once that little rubber 308 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: plug so to speak, pops out, it's going to allow 309 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: moisture to get in there, and that's when that's what's 310 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: going to cause the joint to deteriorate. Does that make 311 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: sense right? You know? Um? Okay? Well um on. On 312 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: the other hand, when you insert that hypodermic needle, it's 313 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: going into a flexible boot and uh, you're not really 314 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: removing any material. You're just a little it's an insertion 315 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: there and when you pull it back at it it 316 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: could self feel up again. And then you just put 317 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: the RTV on there, like you're saying, right, it could 318 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: self heal. But then you get down into how how 319 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: bad does it need it? How many miles around the 320 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: truck steve a little over that you know, at at 321 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: at the rate year putting on mileage, so it'll be 322 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: fifteen years before you hit a hundred thousand miles. I 323 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: you know, I don't. I just don't see it, you know, Um, 324 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: I just I just don't see it. I think there's 325 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: other things that I would be more concerned with. I 326 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: think partly too that, you know, just spending money on 327 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: maintenance just whatever fluids need to be done and just 328 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: normal tire rotations is probably effort in time better spent 329 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: than than something like that. Just my opinion, just my thoughts. Okay, well, 330 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 1: I did Greece the three universal joints on the drive shaft. 331 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: I have done that. And another thing that surprised me. 332 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: We're getting on onto another subject now. Uh. It says 333 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: we're placed the engine cold every ten years, and and 334 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: the thing I don't like about that is that they're 335 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: saying that for the first time around, even though it's 336 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: the same coolant that's really rated five years, hundred thousand miles. 337 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: So I like it doing it sooner rather than later. 338 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: That I agree on. I'm not in any of the 339 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. 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Let's get on over to walt out in Maui, Maui, Hawaii. 349 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: Walter Walter, Walter Walter, how are you today, sir? Good? 350 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: Thank you very quickly. It's Zozooambre and uh, that's a 351 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: four wheel drive. I've flushed the brakes fluid on it, 352 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: and everything was going pretty normal until I got up 353 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: to the left front and then it just didn't feel right. 354 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: So anyway, it's all. That's all done. But everything I 355 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 1: the A B S light comes on sometimes and I 356 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 1: can feel there's some feedback in the pedals sometimes too. 357 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: That just doesn't seem right. So I I'm suspecting there's 358 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: some kind of problem with the A B S. I 359 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: don't have the ability to open it up or anything 360 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: like that that I know of. Nobody does um that 361 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: sense when when you say feedback, well, is it? Typically 362 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: you're approaching a stop sign or a stop and as 363 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: you apply the brakes and get down under say eight 364 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: miles an hour, the pedal might occasionally vibrate and give 365 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: you the room the shake and push back. Yeah, that's 366 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: exactly it. But it's not the normal field you'd have 367 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: when you slam. When the breaks, you can feel it 368 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: pulsating right right the The The issue is that there's 369 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: a and well, let me say it like this, has 370 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 1: the problem been there ever since? Or was it there 371 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 1: prior and you were trying to fix it before you 372 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: attempted to repair. Unfortunately, this vehicle belongs to the proverbial 373 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: little old lady and I asked her that and she 374 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: said she didn't know. The truck got twenty six thousand 375 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: miles on it, So I've got to think it was 376 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: there beforehand. Walter, because what's what's going on here in 377 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: all likelihood is one of the wheels is reporting a 378 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: for in speed than the other three. So the even 379 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: though it's not in a skid situation, think about what 380 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: a BS does anti lock breaks is there so that 381 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: as the vehicle slows down. If one wheel slows down 382 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: faster than the others, it's approaching lock up. We're trying 383 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: to prevent the breaks from locking up anti lock breaks, right, 384 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: So if if if we have brakes that lock up, 385 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: then we have breaks that will put the card into 386 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: a skid. Skid means out of control. Out of control 387 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: means accident or worse. So we're we're we're looking at 388 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: wheel speed. Now you may through the O B D 389 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: two ports, although I doubt it um have the ability 390 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: to access It depends if that anti lock controller is 391 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: on the data bus for O B D two that 392 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: you can get to it through the port. If not, 393 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: it would take either some specialized tool for a Suzu, 394 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: which I'm sure is left the country along with Joe 395 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 1: Suzu and company. Or you have to have a lab 396 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: scope to measure the signal out of each wheel and 397 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: decide which one is at fault. And you know either 398 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: one is tedious. They can both be done if you 399 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: have the tooling. But you know that's basically what you've 400 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: got going on. Uh. The only other thing you could 401 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: do is if you want to disable that function, and uh, 402 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: you know, I I debate this too. I'd be willing 403 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 1: to bet if you unplugged one of the wheel speed 404 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: sensors that the Brooke vehicle would stop normal without having 405 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: the pushback sensation, and you just would not have anti 406 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: lock brakes functioning. You would throw a fault into the system. 407 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: It would then just go into a mild reset in 408 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: the sense that it will just operate like normal breaks. 409 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: The danger is that obviously antilock breaks won't work. But 410 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: you know your face with a situation, and here's the 411 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: problem you're based with the situation that anti lock breaks 412 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: won't work. Uh, that you probably can't get the parts anyway, um, 413 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: depending upon what it is. So you know, this is 414 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: this is my argument about you. Everybody loves their car 415 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: until and then either can't get parts tooling, or it's 416 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: so old there's no information left that you can access 417 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: and repair it properly. So you know, the only other 418 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: thing you could do is is the vehicle heavily rusted. Walter, No, Um, 419 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: do you have the ability to let me rephrase that 420 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: it's a medium? Yeah, it's it's getting crunchy, right, yeah exactly? Yeah, Um, 421 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: if you could, but it's not an enclosed garage. If 422 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: if you could get a look at the A BS 423 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: tone rings. I know you're smart enough. You know what 424 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: an A B S tone ring is, right, the actual 425 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: tooth for everyone else's benefit, the actual tooth ring that 426 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: sits around the actle that triggers the sensor. If you 427 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: could get a visual look at them and maybe spin 428 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: the wheel and look at each tooth. Is the ring 429 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: on anyone particular wheel cracked? Alright? We we used to 430 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: see this on on on some of the early a 431 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: BS on actually some of the tourists and sables comes 432 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: to mind, they did it a lot. Whereas they got old, 433 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: when they got to be fifteen sixteen years old, sometimes 434 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: even sooner, the tone ring would actually split, so it 435 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: would or it would slip on the axle. And I 436 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: see this on a lot of makes. Chrysler has this 437 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: happened too, where the tone ring actually slips on the 438 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: the axle itself, It doesn't stay in that press fit 439 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: and it spins. So now either either the tone ring 440 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: is split and it interrupts the signal, or the tone 441 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: ring is slips and it interrupts the signal, and the computer, 442 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: erroneously seeing a different signal from that wheel, then applies 443 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: and creates the anti lock event. So it sounds like 444 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: a disconnect, right that you have to fix that when 445 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: you're the whole hub or change the axle. In a 446 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: lot of cases you'd have to have an axle available. 447 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: So and again we're back to is that the proverbial 448 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: little old lady twenty six thousand miles in twenty one years? 449 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: What are we doing? Are we doing two thousand miles 450 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: a year? A year or so? Um uh thousand miles 451 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: a year? We're doing? The only time short, real short 452 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: version to her husband passed away a few years ago, 453 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: and the truck is basically sits since and she's let 454 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: people borrow it. And I think any uh any mile 455 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: which has been one of it is probably when she 456 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: loaned it to somebody in the neighborhood. And and you 457 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: know the other thing you got to play within your head, Walter, 458 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: and you'll do the right thing. I know you will, 459 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: is this is a liability thing. And you know somebody 460 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: will get involved driving this vehicle bad weather, slippery road condition. 461 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: You know you or I could drive it knowing the 462 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: anti lock breaks don't work, because I think you and 463 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: I are probably old enough to know how to drive 464 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: without anti lock breaks. You know other than open the 465 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: door in rag your foot, we understand countersteer and you know, 466 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: um throttle throttle, sometimes says she in a skid. But well, right, 467 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, open the door. And you know, 468 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: that's why we always walk to the limp, because the 469 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: one side of our shoes always had a little bit 470 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: of camera to it. But you know, at the time 471 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: it worked, it may be a suggestion here that she's 472 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: better off just getting rid of the vehicle, and you know, 473 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: for safety's sake, for liability's sake, and and that, um, 474 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: you know, how how much does she need it? And 475 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: she's got the financial means just to replace it? You know, Walter, 476 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: sometimes you just gotta throw that old T shirt out 477 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: in the heck with it, move on. She has a 478 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: nice car, So she has a two thousand and twelve 479 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: Nissan with like twelve thousand miles on it. So she 480 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: doesn't really need the Yeah, she doesn't really need this. 481 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: It seems to be mostly attached to it. Well, and 482 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: and and and that I understand the thing. I guess 483 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: it conserves me, But um, I probably be more concerned 484 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: about that. And that's why I won't do a break 485 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: job without using all new parts for that same reason. Yeah, 486 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: you know it's it's listen, we just had a court 487 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: in Michigan rule that, uh, doing a tire rotation doesn't 488 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: really doesn't require you to tighten lug nuts, making you 489 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 1: a liability or fault. So if that insane, now go 490 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: out to ms Walter, go out to MSN dot com 491 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: and a matter of fact, go out to our Facebook page. 492 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: It's posted there. Or get out to MSN dot com 493 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: and look up Michigan Court ruling tire rotation or tire 494 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: rotation Michigan Court and read the story. You'll you'll be 495 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: afraid to go out on the road. Say again, Walter, 496 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: I'm serious. According to of course, you've got the government 497 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: involved in trying to repair cars, you know, Walter, I 498 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: gotta go take take good care about They're always enjoyed, 499 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: always a pleasure. Yeah, it's I know, we all laugh 500 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: about it like it's whatever. Rona nating the car Doctor. 501 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 1: I'll be back right after this, the car Doctor here 502 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: real quick from the folks at super Chips. Super Chips 503 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: is now supporting Look how fast they come out with product. Right, 504 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: They're now supporting Jeep Gladiator, the three point six with 505 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: trail dash too, So they're allowing you to super tune 506 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: even a twenty model year vehicle, and they're supporting the 507 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: four wheel drive the trail guys um more information at 508 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: super chips dot com. I thought that was really neat. 509 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: I was reading that this morning. So some great stuff 510 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 1: as always from the folks at super Chips. Let's get 511 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: over to Matton, Ohio nine Honda Civic. Matt, what's going 512 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: on here? Hey, Ron, thanks for taking the call. Um. Okay, Well, 513 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: my Honda Civic. One morning I went out, this was 514 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: just happened out of nowhere. Uh. The clutch pedal just 515 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: felt really weak and felt like it just lost a 516 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: whole pressure, like I could push it to the floor. 517 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: It was still return but it didn't take much to 518 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: push it, and it was unable to put the car 519 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: in gear while it started. So you know, the first 520 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 1: thing I did was I checked it make sure that 521 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: to see if there's a leak in the hydraulic system 522 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: for the clutch, and I didn't see any leaks anywhere, 523 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: so I figured something was wrong with the throwout bearing. 524 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: So anyway, long story short, I took the transmission. Now 525 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: that changed the clutch and the throwout bearing and that, 526 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: you know, the clutch plate and stuff. Put everything back 527 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: together and put a new match of cylinder, new slave 528 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: cylinder on it, and I'm having the same problem. There's 529 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: like no pressure and there's there's nothing else there. You've 530 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: changed everything, yeah, I've I've changed everything. So, like my 531 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: next theory was, is it possible that there's a small 532 00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: section like fifteen inches of pose of rubber hose. Is 533 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: it possible if that collapses? Is it possible that that 534 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: could cause that kind of symptom. Well, let's let's let's 535 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: diagnose it using your thoughts. So what you're asking me 536 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: is if there was a restriction in the hydraulic line, 537 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: would that prevent the clutch from operating or would that 538 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: change the way the pedal felt. Let's let's think about this. 539 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: Wouldn't you think if there was a restriction in the 540 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: hydraulic line that would create higher pressure in the part 541 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: of the hydraulic line that was working as you push 542 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: down on the pedal and give you give you more feel. Right, 543 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: if we think about a water hose and the water 544 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: hose is running and we cap it with the palm 545 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: of our hand, we're gonna be building pressure in the hose. Right, yeah, 546 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: so sort of the same thing as what you're describing. 547 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: What what what I'm more about here is when you 548 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: go to bleed it? How are you bleeding the system? Uh? Well, 549 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: I had a friend helping me, and I was I 550 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: was by the slave cylinder with the wrench on the 551 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: on the relief valve, and and I had him he 552 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: pumped five times and then hold it to the floor 553 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: and while I would while I would believe it, you know, 554 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: and then I would tighten it back up. And he 555 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: lifted with this foot up off the clutch and we 556 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: did that like five times, and the pedal will return 557 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: as I said, like, if you push the pedal to 558 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 1: the floor, it will return back again. But there's just 559 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: and also the fork that the sleigh cylinder will move 560 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: the fork about an inch and that's it. That's it 561 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: about probably about an inch. So the system's air bound 562 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: is really what is really what you're describing to me? 563 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: Because I don't think an inch is enough throw on 564 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: that fork to depress the plate. I started thinking, So, 565 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: so what I what I want you to try is this. 566 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: Do you have a do you have an a Rillyoto 567 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: parts near you? Yeah, right next to marriage. Get out, 568 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: Get get out. Get out to your local Orellyoto Parts. 569 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 1: Tell them what you're trying to do. Ask them, you 570 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: know it's been out there for a while, and I 571 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: think O'reillyoto Parts still has it. Is you're looking for 572 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: the hypodermic syringe and what is It's gonna look like 573 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: a giant It's gonna look like a giant hypodermic with 574 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: a little rubber boot on the end, and it'll have 575 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: like a right angle adapter to get into a tight spot. 576 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: You can fill it with brake fluid. Okay, turn it 577 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: right side up, burp the air out. You'll feel like 578 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: a doctor. You'll go dink, dinkdink. Push up on the hypodermic, 579 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of fluid comes out. Okay, get all 580 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: the air out of it. Open up the bleeder on 581 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: the slave cylinder and take the cap off the master 582 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: and shoot the brake fluid in that way and through 583 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: the slave cylinder. What you're gonna do is you're gonna 584 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: push the air up into the master and let it 585 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: burt out the top of the master. Do that a 586 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: couple of times. See if that changes the disposition of 587 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: the clutch. And if it doesn't, call way back next week, 588 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: but get out to your local Oraialyoto parts or check 589 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: them out at Orioto dot com. And I'm thinking there's 590 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: air in this system, Matt. There's that. That's all that's left. 591 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: You've changed everything else, and let's let's let's just make 592 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: sure it's bled and then that'll be the fool proof 593 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: method and then let's we can talk next week. Alright, kiddo, 594 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: you're very welcome, Sir nine zero. The Car Doctors coming 595 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: back right after this. Welcome back, car Doctor. Hey, we 596 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: are just geez, I think it's I think we're three 597 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: weeks away. November the Car Doctor is going down to 598 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,719 Speaker 1: Virginia Beach Convention Center of Virginia to take part in 599 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: the Coastal Virginia Auto Show. We're gonna be doing a 600 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: live broadcast down there, UM talking about cars and meeting 601 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: everybody and seeing what's going on there. This This is 602 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: probably the East Coast, one of the East coast biggest 603 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: car shows. We're looking forward to being part of this. 604 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: UM November sixteenth and seventeenth. It's Saturday ten a to 605 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 1: seven p and Sunday ten a to six p. Will 606 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: be there on Saturday, Uh, the Virginia Beach Conventions or 607 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: so we're looking forward to that. Just a reminder, so 608 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: if you're down there and or you're you're traveling in 609 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 1: cruise and eight, come on by, stop buying, stop by 610 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: the booth and see the car doctor and uh help 611 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: us put on the live broadcast as we do our 612 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 1: national radio show right there from the from the floor 613 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 1: of the Coastal Virginia Auto Show. So we're looking forward 614 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: to that. Real quick before we go, I want to 615 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: tell you the quick story. Had a fifteen Ford F 616 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: three fifty in the shop this week and it was 617 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: a check engine line. It was a welders truck, right, 618 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 1: so this you know, I had all the tanks on 619 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,919 Speaker 1: and all the tooling and you know, always carrying a load, 620 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: and uh, this is a work truck and it's working hard, right, 621 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: big six point two leader and with about ninety thousand 622 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: miles just shy and ninety thousand miles on it. Check 623 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: engine light came on. It had a fault code P 624 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 1: zero six B six P zero six Baker six, which 625 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,280 Speaker 1: is a nock sensor circuit fault in the internal module 626 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: of the PCM. You start reading the float chart and 627 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: it tells you, in all likelihood you get through the 628 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,280 Speaker 1: float chart. It's one of two steps. It's a bad PCM. 629 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: You do some research and you look at the common 630 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: pattern failures because you're subscribed to a couple of databases, 631 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. And it turns out that an 632 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: ignition coil can create the problem a little spirts of 633 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: water from an ignition bottle. You here, tick tick tick 634 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: tick tick. You know that the coil itself is misfiring 635 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: all motorcraft parts done down the road ron and ating 636 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 1: the car doctor reminding you the mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. 637 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: See you