WEBVTT - The Filthy Magic of Studio 54

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to stuff you should know a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm boogie down Josh,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's Disco Stu Chuck and it's just the two

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<v Speaker 2>of us because Diana Ross Jerry is not here right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is what I'm surprised we didn't tackle shortly

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<v Speaker 1>after our disco episode as like a two parter.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a little surprising, isn't it. But I hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>heard of Studio fifty four until you pick this, so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how that would have been.

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<v Speaker 1>That's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just kidding. I've heard of it. I'm cool, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hip, even though I guess I was one year

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<v Speaker 2>old to three years old when it was open, so

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<v Speaker 2>as it was going on, I wasn't aware of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But later in life I kind of developed an awareness

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<v Speaker 2>of it. What do you think about all that?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would have been six years old to nine,

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<v Speaker 1>so I probably could have gotten into Studio four.

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say the same thing. There's some shocking

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<v Speaker 2>revelations about this stuff that anybody who knows about Studio

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<v Speaker 2>fifty four is probably like, yeah, and that's just how

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<v Speaker 2>it was. And on the outside, it's it's just nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just such a they called it like the

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<v Speaker 2>disco sodom and Gomorrah. It was just a complete bach

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<v Speaker 2>and all of like just drugs and sex and like

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<v Speaker 2>in the club, and it was just absolutely nuts. But

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<v Speaker 2>as you read about it, it's it's just the same

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<v Speaker 2>themes over and over again. People had sex in the club,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody was doing coke in the club, everybody was on quayludes,

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<v Speaker 2>and Mick Jagger's wife Bianca was on a horse once

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<v Speaker 2>and it just kept getting like it all was just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of melded together, and I kind of felt like

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<v Speaker 2>by the time I was done researching this, I get

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<v Speaker 2>Studio fifty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a documentary on Netflix that's okay called Studio

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four. Yes, from filmmaker Matt I guess tiern Hour.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a very bad movie about Studio fifty four,

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<v Speaker 1>like a movie movie with Mike Myers in playing Steve Rebel.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was the documentary. I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Rubell is like the spinning image of Mike Myers.

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<v Speaker 1>But now I got youa no, Mike, it turns out

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Rebell or I'm sorry Steve Rebell, Mike Myers, Young Billy, Joel,

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<v Speaker 1>and Alex Edelman all sort of are the same person.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>They all look alike. But it's interesting. When I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching the documentary, Emily was floating through the room here

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<v Speaker 1>and there, and people were just like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>and we would just do this and this and this

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<v Speaker 1>and this, and she finally wandered through and just went

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<v Speaker 1>these people sound like idiots.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it is. It's just basically another example of an apologies,

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<v Speaker 2>like this is a pretty blanket statement, but the boomer

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<v Speaker 2>generation being like, we did this and had so much

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<v Speaker 2>fun and it's the coolest thing that could ever possibly happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Think, And it's sort of like it reeked of

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<v Speaker 1>a documentary on like the you know, the what was

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<v Speaker 1>that ill fated Doomed Island Music Festival fire Festival. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of like that where she was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>these people are idiots, Like how long can you just

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<v Speaker 1>sit around and talk about doing cocaine every night and

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<v Speaker 1>dancing until the sun came up?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? But the thing is, and Olivia helps us with this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think she kind of captured it. The reason

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like that studio fifty four is still just

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<v Speaker 2>so prominent in just the general cultural consciousness, especially in America.

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<v Speaker 2>Is because it was short lived. It ended at its peak,

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<v Speaker 2>so it didn't stick around long enough to like really

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<v Speaker 2>like become passe. And in the very short, like bursting

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<v Speaker 2>lifespan that it had less than three years, like thirty

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<v Speaker 2>three months, I think it was just it was the

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<v Speaker 2>coolest of the cool And when you all that together,

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<v Speaker 2>that's how fifty years later, people like us are doing

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast on it still. You know what I mean

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<v Speaker 2>about a club a club. That's why we're doing a

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<v Speaker 2>podcast one of eight thousand disco clubs that were open

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<v Speaker 2>between nineteen seventy four and nineteen seventy six alone. That's

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<v Speaker 2>how important this club was to that scene.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, it's on one hand, there's a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of ways to look at it. It was it was

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<v Speaker 1>a symbol of something more than probably anything. Was the

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<v Speaker 1>symbol of that era, of that excess and decadence and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And on one hand, like my brain goes, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, this is great because it was these

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<v Speaker 1>nightclubs were havens for minorities and for gay people, for

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<v Speaker 1>that community to get together in a safe place where

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<v Speaker 1>they could be themselves, because like you literally, like the

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<v Speaker 1>documentary even says like, if you were a transgender person,

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<v Speaker 1>you were taking your life in your hands walking down

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<v Speaker 1>the street. Some nights, you know, you get just assaulted.

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<v Speaker 1>You can still get assaulted for that, but especially back then.

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<v Speaker 1>So part of my brain goes there, and part of it,

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<v Speaker 1>of it goes to like kind of what Emily said,

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<v Speaker 1>just like what a vapid material, just sort of scene

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<v Speaker 1>based on how you looked and who you knew, and

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<v Speaker 1>part of it part of it was like, oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>what a cool time, and then part of me was like, geez,

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<v Speaker 1>what an awful group of people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, okay, good. I'm glad that we pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>arrived at the same place. And also I find it

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<v Speaker 2>comforting that I'm following the long standing trend of agreeing

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<v Speaker 2>with Emily.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, as we get older, I think I tend

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<v Speaker 1>to look at things a little more with like and

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<v Speaker 1>I like that, rather than just like, yeah, man, what

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<v Speaker 1>a cool party that was?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly for sure, but let's talk about what a cool

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<v Speaker 2>party that was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I guess we should get to the building first,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was a historied building. It was located at

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<v Speaker 1>two fifty four West fifty fourth Street. It was originally

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<v Speaker 1>an opera house in the nineteen twenties and then in

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen forties, kind of through the fifties and into

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties and seventies, it was a CBS studio. They

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<v Speaker 1>had a sixty four thousand dollars Question and Captain Kangaroo

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<v Speaker 1>and What's My Line? And it was called Studio fifty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Weirdly at the time, it's so square. But they all

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<v Speaker 1>eventually moved their operations to Los Angeles with the CBS

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<v Speaker 1>studios there in Central Hollywood, and it sat there empty

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy seven. So the guys that noticed that

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<v Speaker 1>studio was sitting empty or this large theater, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>were two guys named Steve Rebell and Ian Schrager, who

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<v Speaker 1>were Brooklyn guys from sort of working class to middle

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<v Speaker 1>class Jewish families who met each other at college at Syracuse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, apparently they became like friends for life. Ian Trigger

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<v Speaker 2>said that after they met and became friends, he thinks

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<v Speaker 2>that he and Steve Rubell spoke every day for the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of Steve Rubell's life. And Ian Schrager also put

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<v Speaker 2>it that because they were from Brooklyn. They had something

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<v Speaker 2>to prove, especially you know, going to Syracuse with probably

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<v Speaker 2>some wealthier kids and then coming from working class families.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna say they had a chip on their shoulder,

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<v Speaker 2>but they were like, they were hustlers, they were ambitious.

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<v Speaker 2>They were going to make a life for themselves rather

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<v Speaker 2>than you know, just end up joining their dad's firms

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<v Speaker 2>because their dads didn't have a firm. One was a

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<v Speaker 2>postman and the other one was named Max the Jew

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<v Speaker 2>who ran illegal gambling operations. So that kind of drive,

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<v Speaker 2>and then also just the creativity that those two guys

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<v Speaker 2>had together, and then also like just the connection that

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<v Speaker 2>they had, Like this was a genuine partnership that came

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<v Speaker 2>that this came out of it was it just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of I think inserted a little electricity that otherwise wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have been there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So after they graduated, Ian Schrager went to law school

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<v Speaker 1>at Saint John's and started practicing. Along the early seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>Rebel got into the steakhouse business and was apparently opening

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<v Speaker 1>steakhouses a little too quickly because he overextended himself. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you see the one ad for one of his restaurants.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they were called steak lofts, right, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this one was at least steak loft make love

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<v Speaker 1>to your stomach. And in the subheading it said all

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<v Speaker 1>entrees include soup, salad, bar, baked potato, and shrimp.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a bad deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, that is a pretty good deal. I'm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hungry for it now.

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<v Speaker 1>But he had these steakhouses. He got into a little

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<v Speaker 1>financial trouble and his old palse stepped in to help

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<v Speaker 1>keep creditors at bay as his attorney. And then by

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<v Speaker 1>this point though in the early seventies, they were already

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<v Speaker 1>sort of co owners and two different discos, one in

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<v Speaker 1>Queen's and one in Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the one in Queen's is the more important one.

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<v Speaker 2>They actually gave up their share in the one in

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<v Speaker 2>Boston so that they could get full ownership of the

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<v Speaker 2>Queen's one called in Chana Garden. And it was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like the original template for what would become Studio

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<v Speaker 2>fifty four. They would throw like theme parties where everybody

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<v Speaker 2>would dress up and they would decorate it along with

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<v Speaker 2>the theme. Like it was way more than just some club.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, look at the mirrors on the wall

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<v Speaker 2>in the disco, ball up there like this was. There

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<v Speaker 2>was theatrics to it too. And so the other big

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<v Speaker 2>thing that happened at in Channa Garden is that they

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<v Speaker 2>met a man named Jack Douchey or Dushy. Let's go

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<v Speaker 2>with Dushy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I thought it was dhe is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Do you s a g y do? Shee? Is

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<v Speaker 2>definitely a pronunciation of that. So you say douche Huh?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was, but I actually can't remember now

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<v Speaker 1>from the documentary that I watched three hours ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's agree it's definitely not Douchey. Okay. His name

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<v Speaker 2>was Jack d and he owned a store in Brooklyn,

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<v Speaker 2>I think a discount store, and was fairly wealthy. And

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<v Speaker 2>he threw either depending on who you ask, his daughter's

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<v Speaker 2>bot mitzvah or his son's bar mitzvah at in Channa

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<v Speaker 2>Garden and I guess like the cut of Steve and

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<v Speaker 2>Ian's jib, and went into business with them as a

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<v Speaker 2>silent partner, and he gave them the influx of cash

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<v Speaker 2>that they needed to start Studio fifty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was about a half a million bucks. It

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a crazy idea at the time, even

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<v Speaker 1>though disco techs were big. West fifty fourth Street at

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<v Speaker 1>this time was really I guess the best way to

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<v Speaker 1>say it is sleazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it in your town square.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's all sort of in that theater district.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the time it was just it was dirty,

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<v Speaker 1>it was dangerous. People thought like, if you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>open a high end disco tech like, this is not

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<v Speaker 1>the part of town where you want to be doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>They did it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah. They formed a company called Broadway Catering Corporation,

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<v Speaker 2>which will make a little more sense in a little while,

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<v Speaker 2>and they leased that building at two fifty four West

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<v Speaker 2>fifty fourth Street and they got to work on turning

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<v Speaker 2>it into a club. They did it in six weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>They went from nothing to ready for people to come

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<v Speaker 2>in six weeks without a construction license, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think, yeah, And they just kind of got to work.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, you know, sort of a time where you

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<v Speaker 1>could just get away with stuff until you didn't kind

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<v Speaker 1>of under the table style, and that's what they did.

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<v Speaker 1>You said they started with nothing, but not quite because

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<v Speaker 1>the theater was it was an old theater, so they

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<v Speaker 1>had a stage and they had a perscenium arch, and

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<v Speaker 1>they had a lighting rigging system. Yeah, that was there

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<v Speaker 1>from the TV days and because they sort of got

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<v Speaker 1>not blocked, but their rivals in the other discotheques were

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<v Speaker 1>basically saying like, hey, don't go work for the guys. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a designer or you know someone who would

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<v Speaker 1>help them open it. And so they went very smartly

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<v Speaker 1>to Broadway and got people who worked in the theater

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<v Speaker 1>to come in and they were like, this place has

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<v Speaker 1>got all the bones and this lighting rig's already set up,

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is not going to be too hard.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they had a lot to work with, in other words,

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<v Speaker 2>so they hired one guy, a guy named Richard Long,

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<v Speaker 2>who actually was the sole veteran of the club scene

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<v Speaker 2>of like like setting up clubs. He had set up

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<v Speaker 2>the sound systems for most of the gay discos in

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<v Speaker 2>New York, so he knew what he was doing, and

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<v Speaker 2>that certainly came in handy because, I mean, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the main things of Studio fifty four was the music,

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<v Speaker 2>right like in the dancing to the music. So to

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<v Speaker 2>have a pro creating the sound system was a big one.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you also cannot overlook the role that Carmen

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<v Speaker 2>Delecio did. She was a pr sorceress. I saw her

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<v Speaker 2>described as and her role essentially was to basically go

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<v Speaker 2>around to New York's glitterati and talk about how awesome

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<v Speaker 2>this club is going to be. And it worked very well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. There were other PR people that worked

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<v Speaker 1>with them that literally got paid for placing story, placing

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<v Speaker 1>stories in the newspaper, Like you get five hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>if there's a picture of Liza Benelli and Truman Capoti

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<v Speaker 1>going into Studio fifty four in the New York Post,

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<v Speaker 1>and you get this much if it's in this magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was, you know, it was a pretty smart

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<v Speaker 1>way to do it. It was incentivizing these PR people

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<v Speaker 1>to get the you know, the biggest stars of the

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<v Speaker 1>time very publicly through usually the front door, but sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>they would slip in through the stage door.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. There was also just a little bit more about

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<v Speaker 2>the club, right, I see that it had eighty five

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<v Speaker 2>foot ceilings. Is that right?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yeah, it was super super tall.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like a nine story building inside. Yeah, okay, well

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to make sure because my brain starts

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<v Speaker 2>to boggle, like thirty feet up.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean those big the old theaters in New

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<v Speaker 1>York were huge and vast yeah, and still are okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So like, that's what you got to remember is this

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<v Speaker 1>was a performance theater turned into a nightclub.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I got that. I still don't think I've ever

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<v Speaker 2>been in a theater that was eighty five feet up

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<v Speaker 2>to the ceiling.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you should go to Carnegie Hall, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a bad judge of height and distance and all

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<v Speaker 2>that too, But so I guess it makes sense then

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<v Speaker 2>that it could hold a capacity of two thousand people

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<v Speaker 2>because when they ran out of room on the floor,

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<v Speaker 2>they just start stacking them on top of one another.

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<v Speaker 1>On that eleven thousand square foot dance floor. And you know,

0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.520
<v Speaker 1>while there was a scene happening anyway, a lot of

0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.600
<v Speaker 1>it was really about the dancing. There. There was a

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<v Speaker 1>mezzanine lounge on the second story, a second story bar,

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<v Speaker 1>and a balcony that kind of looked down upon the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing where you could go up and drink and

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<v Speaker 1>do mountains of cocaine and have public sex.

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<v Speaker 2>What how cool? Are you serious?

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<v Speaker 1>It all sounds gross to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was gross. At one point they retrofitted

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<v Speaker 2>the second floor balcony, like the I guess, the whole

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<v Speaker 2>area around it with like wash off rubber coating. Gross.

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<v Speaker 2>It is gross. The whole thing's gross. Yes, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was fairly gross. But I saw it. I saw it

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<v Speaker 2>described as this. These people were living in the age

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<v Speaker 2>after the invention of the pill, before the onset of aids,

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<v Speaker 2>so they could just have public sex and do mounds

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<v Speaker 2>of cocaine and take tons of kuludes with virtually no

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<v Speaker 2>consequences whatsoever, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Good old days, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>So you want to take a break.

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<v Speaker 1>Should we take a break?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Look at us. Yeah, let's do that, and we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about opening night right after this.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, chuck. So it's opening night six weeks after they

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<v Speaker 2>started construction on Tuesday, April twenty sixth, nineteen seventy seven,

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<v Speaker 2>aka the most important date in the history of humanity.

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<v Speaker 2>According to some of the people who were there, that

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<v Speaker 2>hype that Carmen Delecio had been building up was really

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<v Speaker 2>paying off. Apparently there was an hour's long wait already,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was so long that Frank Sinatra and Warren

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<v Speaker 2>Batty were like, this is taking too long. I'm out

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<v Speaker 2>of here. That's how long the wait was, Warren Baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they I mean the pre hype was there in

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<v Speaker 1>full because well because of the pr push for one,

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<v Speaker 1>but also because they were selling memberships before it opened.

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<v Speaker 1>They had eighteen thousand people apply to get a membership card.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's how it worked. If you just showed up

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<v Speaker 1>and you were lucky enough to get in and had

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<v Speaker 1>to pay the cover I think they landed on like

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<v Speaker 1>ten bucks, even though I saw everything from seven to fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Ten bucks is around close to fifty bucks a day,

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<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't cheap to get in for a cover charge.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you bought a membership card for between seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five and one hundred and fifty, you were guaranteed. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's in scare quotes, because nothing was really guaranteed as

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<v Speaker 1>far as entry goes there, but you were supposedly guaranteed entry,

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<v Speaker 1>but you had to pay with a three dollars reduction

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<v Speaker 1>in charge. Eighteen thousand people apply for that card and

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<v Speaker 1>only three thousand got it pre opening.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Pretty nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So this one of the other legends or stories about

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<v Speaker 2>opening night is that wait was so long that they

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<v Speaker 2>just basically broke out into a party on the sidewalk

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<v Speaker 2>outside of the club, thanks in large part to a

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<v Speaker 2>doctor who came by with a bunch of quay ludes.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently coayludes went for like ten cents a pop and

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<v Speaker 2>everybody had them at all times. And I was looking

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<v Speaker 2>up what it was like to take ludes, as they

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<v Speaker 2>were called, and apparently there's not really any drug you

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<v Speaker 2>can compare it to today. They were their own thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were a sedative, but they also had all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of other weird effects. Like I saw it described

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<v Speaker 2>like you'd sit on a couch and you weren't sitting

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<v Speaker 2>on the couch. You were melting into the couch. But

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<v Speaker 2>then at the same time you were also super randy

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<v Speaker 2>and it made sex amazing, and you were just relaxed

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<v Speaker 2>and like ready to go along with whatever. And everybody

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<v Speaker 2>loved ludes and they were super plentiful. So when this

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<v Speaker 2>doctor came along and handed out ludes, the pre party

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<v Speaker 2>broke out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the quaalan thing is weird because there were people

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<v Speaker 1>in the documentary saying like nobody was ever on a

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<v Speaker 1>downer in that place and it was all uppers, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know, it's just very strange. Maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>went well with cocaine and alcohol.

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<v Speaker 2>I get that impression for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, So people are showing up. You mentioned you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned Brookshields, right, No, okay, Well Brookshields was there. She

0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:35.080
<v Speaker 1>was eleven years old. That's my opening joke there. And

0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.480
<v Speaker 1>she was taken there by Robin Leach, who would later

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<v Speaker 1>go on to host Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to do a great Robin Leach, let's hear it. No,

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<v Speaker 2>in retrospect it wasn't great at all, but at the

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<v Speaker 2>time I thought it was pretty great. I also did

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<v Speaker 2>a good Bartles and James impression. And then my other

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<v Speaker 2>one was Larry of Larry, Daryl and Darryl from Newhart.

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<v Speaker 1>You did a bart You did it impression of a

0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:02.480
<v Speaker 1>bottled drink of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember the two guys who were like the spokesmen who

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<v Speaker 2>were supposedly Bartles and James.

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<v Speaker 1>And you did both.

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<v Speaker 2>No, one of them didn't speak. The other one, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>the shorter, more roton one with classes he spoke. I

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<v Speaker 2>have no recollection of what he sounded like, but I

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<v Speaker 2>would do those impressions.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. So you did what was the first one,

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<v Speaker 1>Robin Leech, Robin Leech. The last one, uh, Larry of, Larry,

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<v Speaker 1>Caryl and Darryl from Newhart. And then the actor who

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<v Speaker 1>played a commercial spokesperson.

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<v Speaker 2>For Bartle's and James for bartle Wine Coolers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a of a of a moment, a

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<v Speaker 2>specific moment in history.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean I was doing Life, Wolfman, Jack and

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<v Speaker 1>John Travolta back then, so I was also at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a John Travolta, I've heard your Travolta.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's hear it?

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<v Speaker 2>Why you so wee it? Yeah, there you go, And

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<v Speaker 2>it's not actually John Travolta. I'm doing Dana Carrey doing

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<v Speaker 2>John Travolta.

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<v Speaker 1>Dana Carvey day in a Carvey Okay, that's Ordrew Garrett show.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So we mentioned that they were called the

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<v Speaker 1>Broadway Catering Corporation and that would make sense later and

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<v Speaker 1>that moment comes right now everybody. Because they didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a liquor license, permanent liquor license that is, so every day,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're like a catering company in New York or

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<v Speaker 1>I guess a lot of other towns, you can get

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<v Speaker 1>a temporary, like one day liquor permit to do your

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<v Speaker 1>catered event. And they did that every single day for

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<v Speaker 1>a year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess pretty smart. Based on the name of

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<v Speaker 2>Broadway Catering Corporation. They'd be like, oh, okay, here's your

0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:42.679
<v Speaker 2>catering license to go cater this party at two fifty

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<v Speaker 2>four West fifty fourth Street. Yeah. And the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>they did it every day. Whose job was it to

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<v Speaker 2>go by and get that permit every single day? That's

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<v Speaker 2>just so crazy. Then I saw one time apparently the

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<v Speaker 2>whatever agency issued those got wise to it and they

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<v Speaker 2>denied them once. So at least one night there was

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<v Speaker 2>nothing but fruit juice and sodas, but guests were invited

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<v Speaker 2>to drink as much of it as they liked for free.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so just just mountains of drugs and then fruit

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<v Speaker 1>juice and soda.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it was healthy all right.

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<v Speaker 1>The Monday after it opened. I think they were usually

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<v Speaker 1>closed on Mondays, but they would have special parties on

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<v Speaker 1>the Mondays, which became a very big thing there, like

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<v Speaker 1>renting the place out for like a you know, fifty

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<v Speaker 1>to two one hundred thousand dollars party, which at the

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<v Speaker 1>time is I mean, it's a lot of money now,

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<v Speaker 1>but back then I was a ton of money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But Halston fashion designer Halston through Bianca Jaggar Jaggar a

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<v Speaker 1>thirtieth birthday party there the Monday after it first opened,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were like basically kind of putting it together

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<v Speaker 1>up until the minute that the doors opened.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it true that he approached them on the Monday

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<v Speaker 2>that he wanted the party to be held.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's the legend. I don't know. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>verify it.

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<v Speaker 2>So this was a really important deal that it was

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<v Speaker 2>very smart of them to take his money and throw

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<v Speaker 2>this party. This was the one where Bianca Jagger rode

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<v Speaker 2>a white horse around I guess in a circle essentially

0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:14.159
<v Speaker 2>in the club and then I'm sure somebody gave the

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<v Speaker 2>horse some cocaine and everybody thought it was hilarious. But

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<v Speaker 2>the reason that this was so important, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>was because the coverage of this party was it just

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<v Speaker 2>went everywhere, and this was like where the people who

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't yet heard of Studio fifty four heard of it.

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<v Speaker 2>So Halston helped put this thing on the map with

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<v Speaker 2>that party.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. And just five six seven years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>Bianca Jagger very forcefully wanted to make it clear that

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<v Speaker 1>she did not ride a horse around Studio fifty four

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<v Speaker 1>because she's a big animal rights activist now and she

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<v Speaker 1>really wanted that cleared up, So we would be remiss

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<v Speaker 1>if we didn't say that that's a folk tale that

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<v Speaker 1>she claims she sat on it for like two seconds

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<v Speaker 1>and then got off of it, And she makes a

0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:10.040
<v Speaker 1>distinction between that and riding a horse around a nightclubs.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was definitely a horse at her birthday party

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<v Speaker 2>at Studio fifty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, there are photos and she admits it.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the other things, too, is you said

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<v Speaker 2>like some of these parties would cost fifty to one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand dollars. I saw like even on non like

0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:31.359
<v Speaker 2>party nights like that were like reserved private parties, they

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<v Speaker 2>would often spend tens to up to one hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars just on like the themes and decorations and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>just for a regular night at Studio fifty four. Like

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<v Speaker 2>they were just pouring money into this and they were

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<v Speaker 2>getting even more out. I would be really interested to

0:24:47.640 --> 0:24:51.280
<v Speaker 2>know what their return on investment was, because they just

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:54.560
<v Speaker 2>they put so much money into this place, and they

0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:56.800
<v Speaker 2>seem to have made buckets of it, so much so

0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.399
<v Speaker 2>that as we'll see, they would keep the cash and

0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 2>garbage back sometimes around the club.

0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:05.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that's not because there was so much

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:07.280
<v Speaker 1>of it. It was because they didn't want the bank

0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:08.760
<v Speaker 1>and the irs to find out about it.

0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:10.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I think if you have enough to fill

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:13.199
<v Speaker 2>a garbage bag, by definition, that's a lot, you know.

0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I wouldn't say it was a ton of money.

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:19.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying it was all in an effort to obfuscate.

0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:21.359
<v Speaker 1>But gotcha, we're spoiling the story.

0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh sorry, Sorry, So.

0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Rebel was he was the guy who was, I guess,

0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:30.280
<v Speaker 1>sort of the host of the whole thing. He loved

0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:32.879
<v Speaker 1>being out there, He loved hobnobbing with people. It was

0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:35.359
<v Speaker 1>his biggest sort of dream in life to be a

0:25:35.400 --> 0:25:38.080
<v Speaker 1>part of that crowd. Yeah, where Schrager was kind of

0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:41.199
<v Speaker 1>like he was a guy behind the scenes. Seemed like,

0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:43.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they were both smart guys, but he was

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:46.280
<v Speaker 1>definitely more of the brains behind the operation that would

0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:48.119
<v Speaker 1>go there for a little while then go home to

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:48.679
<v Speaker 1>his family.

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:51.840
<v Speaker 2>I saw a picture of the two together. You can

0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 2>definitely tell Rubel's ready to party. He's wearing his famous

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:57.760
<v Speaker 2>padded coat, like his kind of down coat that he

0:25:57.920 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 2>wore because he could hide tons and tons of coke

0:26:00.920 --> 0:26:05.639
<v Speaker 2>in it. And then Ian Srigger is dressed like Ron Burgundy,

0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 2>I should say Ron Burgundy dress dressed like Ian Schrager.

0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:13.640
<v Speaker 2>I guess really, but I mean just that same foggy

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:17.640
<v Speaker 2>London town gentleman look with like the blazer and the

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 2>turtle net. Yeah and all that. He looks cool for sure,

0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:22.760
<v Speaker 2>but he also looks like, yeah, I can see him

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:23.520
<v Speaker 2>going home early.

0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:26.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, and the good thing about the documentary is

0:26:26.280 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 1>he's still with us, and it was sort of the

0:26:27.800 --> 0:26:30.240
<v Speaker 1>first time he had talked much about it because he's

0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 1>again just sort of famously averse to attention, but he's

0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:36.760
<v Speaker 1>he's one of the main, you know, interviewees in the dock.

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 2>So yeah. So you said that Rubel was the host

0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 2>so much so that sometimes he would stand out front

0:26:42.440 --> 0:26:46.000
<v Speaker 2>and say who could come in and who couldn't. And

0:26:46.440 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 2>he was doing that because he put it that he

0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 2>was casting a play, so like the characters that he

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:56.280
<v Speaker 2>would pick out would all kind of come together and

0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:59.880
<v Speaker 2>gel in a certain way inside to make the greatest

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 2>possible party from the greatest mix of people. And one

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:08.919
<v Speaker 2>of the really important things about that is you didn't

0:27:08.960 --> 0:27:12.720
<v Speaker 2>have to be famous to get in to Studio fifty four.

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:17.520
<v Speaker 2>You could just be a cool disco club kid who

0:27:17.560 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 2>had a cool look and was clearly a cool kid,

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.159
<v Speaker 2>and you could get in like just from being you

0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:25.879
<v Speaker 2>essentially and not having any connections whatsoever.

0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that was ninety percent of the crowd.

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Where just people. Because in a room of two thousand people,

0:27:33.680 --> 0:27:36.280
<v Speaker 1>let's say ten to twelve celebrities getting all the attention,

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 1>that's a lot of other regular folks out there. But

0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:41.879
<v Speaker 1>they still had to get in. In order to get in,

0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 1>they had to pass whatever sort of secret test. Rebel

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 1>and the other door people, I think the head doorman

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 1>same was Mark Bennicky. He was nineteen years old, which

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:56.000
<v Speaker 1>is crazy head doorman, right, Yeah, but he was a

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 1>good looking guy and he had never done anything like that,

0:27:57.880 --> 0:27:59.560
<v Speaker 1>and they were like, well, you're handsome, so you should

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 1>be able to judge other people on their looks. Rebel

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:05.520
<v Speaker 1>famously said a year ago, I wouldn't have even let

0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:08.360
<v Speaker 1>myself in. And this is another one of those things

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:11.399
<v Speaker 1>where of two minds, Like on one hand, he was like,

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:13.919
<v Speaker 1>you don't have to have money to get in. You

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 1>can be gay, straight, black, white, hispanic. Like, he didn't

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:20.880
<v Speaker 1>judge people on that, and so I'm like, oh, that's

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. But he's like, I'm really just judging you

0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:26.040
<v Speaker 1>on how you look, yeah, and if you seem to

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 1>be cool.

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:31.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He said that it couldn't be too gay, it

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 2>couldn't be too straight. It needed to be very, very

0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:37.399
<v Speaker 2>very bisexual. Yeah, so that was a big part of

0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:38.960
<v Speaker 2>the mix too. But yeah, it was like who would

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 2>get along with who, And then the dorman kind of

0:28:42.600 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 2>developed their own shorthand too, Like if you looked like

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:47.920
<v Speaker 2>you were like a midnight cowboy type and you might

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:50.719
<v Speaker 2>go beat up some of the gay patrons inside, you

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 2>weren't getting past the dorman. That was a big one

0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 2>right there. Like you said, it was a safe place

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:59.800
<v Speaker 2>for gay and trans people, and that started at the door.

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 2>And also one of the other things too was Mark

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Bennicky again nineteen years old, the head dormant. He was

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:11.840
<v Speaker 2>the highest paid staff member, in part, I guess entirely

0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 2>so that he wouldn't take bribes to let people in

0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:14.960
<v Speaker 2>at the door.

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Which I'm sure he never did.

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, the thing is is, I was thinking about that.

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, well, yeah, I mean, Kit, you would be

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 2>like I love this money and I want some more,

0:29:22.520 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 2>so I'm going to take some bribes. But then you

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 2>think about if he's making enough money that he would

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 2>not want to lose that job. Then it would keep

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 2>him honest in and of itself, I think, not just

0:29:34.440 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 2>like he doesn't need the money, you know what I mean? Yeah,

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:40.440
<v Speaker 2>So wait a minute, Wait a minute. What was funny

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 2>about that? Did I just explain the obvious? Is that

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 2>what I was doing? No?

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:48.120
<v Speaker 1>I think it's funny that you sat around and thought

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:51.680
<v Speaker 1>about whether or not he would take money or not

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 1>because he had enough money.

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, I was just looking for any flaws in that plan,

0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 2>and I actually found it was fairly fool proof. So

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 2>I appreciated it. Wanted to spotlight it here on stuff

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 2>I should know.

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 1>So Henry Winkler didn't get in. Some of the Kennedy

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 1>kids didn't get in. There were a lot of people

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:13.440
<v Speaker 1>who didn't get in that were even famous, because you know,

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Henry Winkler was the Fonds, but he wasn't some cool

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 1>guy in real life. They didn't want him in there.

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 2>No, No, he wasn't super cool. Supposedly super nice, but

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:25.720
<v Speaker 2>also not super cool. Two other guys didn't get in,

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 2>now Rogers and Bernard Edwards, who at the time they

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:33.560
<v Speaker 2>were in the group chic like the freak say Chic,

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 2>and that song in particular was actually inspired by Studio

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 2>fifty four.

0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, supposedly when they didn't get in because Grace

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Jones did not leave their name on the list, they

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:47.880
<v Speaker 1>wrote that song, but it was sort of awe freak out.

0:30:47.920 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 2>It was a f off, right, And then they're like, guys,

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 2>you can make so much more money with the song

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:56.880
<v Speaker 2>if you just changed that to freak and they're like, oh, okay,

0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:00.240
<v Speaker 2>So they did, and it became like, I'm sure they

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>that song inside Studio fifty four all the time. Because

0:31:03.240 --> 0:31:05.840
<v Speaker 2>one of the things that's worth mentioning too is as

0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 2>cool as this place was, like you would hear essentially

0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:10.840
<v Speaker 2>all the same disco hits that you would hear on

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:14.200
<v Speaker 2>the radio. It was just again an eleven thousand square

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 2>foot dance floor with tons of cocaine on it.

0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if they did have some criteria as far as

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 1>like not necessarily the person at the on the street

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 1>that they would look in, which one commentator from the

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:31.719
<v Speaker 1>time described as it was like the damned looking into paradise,

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Like all these people on the street like trying to

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 1>look through the blacked out doors when they would open.

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 1>But they had a list of like you know what

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 1>kinds of designations people had. There were the No Goods,

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 1>which they designated as GN on the sheet instead of MNG.

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 1>They had regular guests who were pay guests who could

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:51.959
<v Speaker 1>get in but they had to pay the whatever ten bucks.

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:56.200
<v Speaker 1>They had the comps list, who were the freebies, and

0:31:56.240 --> 0:31:59.480
<v Speaker 1>then the nfus, which were the no f ups. And

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:02.320
<v Speaker 1>by that they mean like, you can't screw this one up.

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 1>They're very important. You have to get them in and

0:32:04.760 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>get them straight to Steve Rebel.

0:32:06.720 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, did you see how or who was on the

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 2>GN list? Then? Like who did you have to tick off?

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Or what did you have to do to have your

0:32:16.320 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 2>name like on a list that you were not allowed

0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 2>in the studio fifty four no matter what. Like that

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 2>wasn't just some schmo, like this is somebody who was

0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:28.840
<v Speaker 2>specifically targeted to not be allowed.

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 1>In maybe Famous Squares or Narcs competition or something.

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Winkler. Yeah, So there was also a just kind of

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 2>a general rule like if somebody showed up looking like

0:32:42.240 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 2>disco stew or just like a cartoonish version of a

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:49.320
<v Speaker 2>cool disco person, they probably weren't going to make it

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 2>in either. And there was a story where I think

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.720
<v Speaker 2>Mark Binecki was not going to let this one dude

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 2>in because he looked exactly like that. And then Steve

0:32:58.280 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Reubell was like, no, he can, he can come in.

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 2>It's very gibb from the be G.

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, looking the park. They used to say polyester melts

0:33:06.320 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 1>under the lights. So Rebel would chide people and say

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 1>go home and put on a cotton shirt. And then

0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 1>one guy, and this is from a nineteen seventy eight

0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 1>New York Times piece, said the dormant told me to

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 1>go home and read Freud's essay on rejection.

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Wow, that's pretty great. Yeah, so there was like

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot of desperation to get in, Like you said,

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:32.000
<v Speaker 2>the Damned looking in on Paradise. Some people were like,

0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to be the damned any longer. I'm

0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 2>going to use this gun I have under my coat

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:39.880
<v Speaker 2>to make the doorman let me in. I did not

0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:42.080
<v Speaker 2>see that that was successful. I don't see how it

0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:43.720
<v Speaker 2>would be. It wouldn't be like, oh, you've got a

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:46.320
<v Speaker 2>gun on me, Sure, go ahead, go in with your gun.

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how that played out, but that's just

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:53.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of like the little thumbnail anecdotes that are completely

0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:57.720
<v Speaker 2>surrounding Studio fifty four. There were some other ones too, right.

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there were reports of people climbing down ropes from

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 1>other buildings into the courtyard that had secret maps of

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:09.280
<v Speaker 1>the subway system, supposedly to get him in there. And then,

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 1>and this is confirmed, that was a gentleman who was

0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:15.799
<v Speaker 1>dressed in a tuxedo tried to sneak through an air

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 1>vent and was discovered dead.

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that nuts? They didn't know that there was somebody

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:25.800
<v Speaker 2>in there until they started to smell the de composition. Yeah,

0:34:26.280 --> 0:34:29.239
<v Speaker 2>so that there's apparently I didn't see it. A Netflix

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:35.279
<v Speaker 2>special on Halston, the designer who figures Big into.

0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:35.879
<v Speaker 1>This does a show.

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and I guess that made it into it too.

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 2>But they changed the man to a woman for some reason.

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:44.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who played Halston in that? I meant to look

0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:45.200
<v Speaker 1>that up.

0:34:45.280 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Tommy Lee Jones. I think, oh, oh wow, do you

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:50.360
<v Speaker 2>want to take a break.

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll take our second break and we'll be back

0:34:53.280 --> 0:35:26.040
<v Speaker 1>with Act three. All right. So I don't know if

0:35:26.080 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 1>we mentioned it, Yeah, I think I did that. It

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 1>was closed on Monday. It was open Tuesday through Sunday

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:34.319
<v Speaker 1>from they opened at ten pm, they closed at six

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:36.560
<v Speaker 1>am ish or whenever the party was over.

0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Really, those are basically the times that I'm asleep.

0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one thousand percent. Yeah, I mean I may sleep

0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:45.320
<v Speaker 1>until seven.

0:35:45.160 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Here and there.

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:48.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but the days of staying out all night are

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 1>long in my past.

0:35:50.560 --> 0:35:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm so Henry Winkler.

0:35:53.000 --> 0:35:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it was fun a little bit back

0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:54.839
<v Speaker 1>in the day.

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:56.959
<v Speaker 2>But oh yeah, do that like when you didn't feel

0:35:56.960 --> 0:36:01.240
<v Speaker 2>like just total, but like the next day after, you know, So, yeah,

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:02.600
<v Speaker 2>it used to be fun for sure.

0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of total, But if you want to see a

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:10.759
<v Speaker 1>picture of Tennessee Williams looking really out of his mind,

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 1>there's a fun picture of Tennessee Williams in his studio

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:17.319
<v Speaker 1>fifty four couch oh on back that. Yeah, he's bloodshot eyes.

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:19.000
<v Speaker 1>He looks like he's, you know, been through it.

0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:21.320
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, there's a there was a it was a

0:36:21.400 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 2>murderer's row. Who's who of seventy's famous cool people who

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 2>were there? Apparently divine, the very famous would it was

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:33.680
<v Speaker 2>divine trans or was divine considered a cross stutter? Is

0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:35.799
<v Speaker 2>that just what they called divine back in the day

0:36:35.800 --> 0:36:37.879
<v Speaker 2>before we called people trains?

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:40.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think Divine went by the tag of

0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:43.200
<v Speaker 1>drag queen back then. Probably, but I'm not I'm not

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:46.640
<v Speaker 1>really sure about these days.

0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Divine still with this, I don't think so. I

0:36:50.040 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 2>don't think you can live that fast and hard and

0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 2>still be around this many years later.

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that'd probably be a good episode, actually.

0:36:57.360 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Divine for sure. Yeah. For those of you who don't

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:04.520
<v Speaker 2>know who Divin, she was a star almost amused to

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.840
<v Speaker 2>John Waters and was in a bunch of John Waters

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:10.879
<v Speaker 2>movies and I think eight Dog Poop in one of them.

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Uh, yeah, that was in Pink Flamingos. Yeah, Pink Flamingos,

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I think.

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:19.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But yeah, we'll do an episode on Divine, even

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 2>though we just gave away the twist, right. Andy Warhol

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 2>was a big one there. In fact, he brought his

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:29.000
<v Speaker 2>whole factory crew and loved Studio fifty four so much

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:32.800
<v Speaker 2>that he basically was like he's sicked the entire staff

0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 2>of Interview magazine on it, and started basically covering Studio

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.880
<v Speaker 2>fifty four relentlessly in his magazine.

0:37:39.600 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I saw that the sort of the heartbeat

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:46.080
<v Speaker 1>of that crowd, like the real regulars, because you know

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Mick Jagger and you know Elton John and Robert de Niro,

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Like everyone who was anyone would pop in there, but

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:58.320
<v Speaker 1>like the heartbeat of the regulars were Liza Minelli, Halston,

0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Beyond Jagger, and Andy Warhol. And I think Truman Capoti

0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:06.520
<v Speaker 1>was like the fifth. Yeah, he's that for someome.

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 2>He seems to have been about as regular as any

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 2>of them. Grace Jones was a big one too. Oh yeah,

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:14.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if she was super into that circle.

0:38:14.200 --> 0:38:15.960
<v Speaker 2>She seems to have been kind of a lone wolf

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.840
<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways. But one of the dormens

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:22.480
<v Speaker 2>said that she arrived naked so many times it became boring.

0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:24.440
<v Speaker 2>I can totally see that.

0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she just sort of it's like, all right, Grace, right,

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:32.399
<v Speaker 1>maybe put on clothes, that would be the thing.

0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.879
<v Speaker 2>There was also a woman named Disco Sally Right who

0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 2>just was a legend. She was. She also appeared in

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 2>that Halston document or not documentary, but that Halston mini series.

0:38:45.400 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 2>But they I think they kind of didn't do her

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 2>justice from what I read. Oh really, yeah, so what

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:51.600
<v Speaker 2>about her?

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 1>She was a well I think she was an attorney

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:58.200
<v Speaker 1>or former attorney and a widow who just like this

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 1>lady loved to dance, and in the documentary they were

0:39:02.080 --> 0:39:06.560
<v Speaker 1>like At first, the doorman Benicky was like, no, man, wait,

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:11.080
<v Speaker 1>this isn't it's going to be like a what do

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:13.480
<v Speaker 1>you call it, like a gimmick if we start letting

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:16.520
<v Speaker 1>people like this in, And he said. Rebel was adamant

0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 1>and just said no, she's exactly who you want in

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:19.560
<v Speaker 1>this place.

0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we left out a really key thing.

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:26.360
<v Speaker 2>She was seventy seven and looked like nineteen seventy seventy seven,

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:28.919
<v Speaker 2>so she looked like one hundred and ten. She did,

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:32.400
<v Speaker 2>and she would dance all night. She was she was

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.719
<v Speaker 2>called disco Sally for a reason, Like she would get

0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:37.279
<v Speaker 2>there and she would just start dancing for hours, and

0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:40.160
<v Speaker 2>apparently she would stop to go pee and to do

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 2>some coke, and then we'd get right back out on

0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:45.720
<v Speaker 2>the dance floor. And she became, actually from her stint

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 2>at Studio fifty four, a fixture on the New York

0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:51.760
<v Speaker 2>night life scene for a long time to come.

0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:54.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I bet it kept her young and alive and

0:39:54.320 --> 0:39:56.080
<v Speaker 1>also killed her somehow at the same time.

0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:56.759
<v Speaker 2>Exactly.

0:39:57.160 --> 0:40:00.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, put, I guess we could go over some

0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 3>of these parties we mentioned that they would, you know,

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 3>throw these huge, huge private parties, and they did everything

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:09.960
<v Speaker 3>from throw a country western party for Dolly Parton with

0:40:10.760 --> 0:40:13.359
<v Speaker 3>more live animals goats and sheep and pigs and stuff.

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, god knows what happened to those sheep.

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't like the animal stuff in there, Like

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:20.000
<v Speaker 1>nothing good is happening to those animals.

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.919
<v Speaker 2>No for sure, and you know, like probably some bad

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 2>stuff is happening to him too, let alone to just

0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:25.320
<v Speaker 2>being scared.

0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, don't take your goat to a cocaine disco.

0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:34.080
<v Speaker 2>That's a that's a not just a T shirt, that's

0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:36.160
<v Speaker 2>an epitaph.

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:38.120
<v Speaker 1>What else? Liz Taylor had a big birthday party there

0:40:38.160 --> 0:40:39.640
<v Speaker 1>with the Rockets, among other things.

0:40:40.320 --> 0:40:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeap Valentino did. And then they they had like Halloween

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:48.560
<v Speaker 2>apparently was like the big night where just if you

0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 2>were a normal person and you had a really great costume,

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:52.839
<v Speaker 2>there was a good chance you were going to get in.

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:57.400
<v Speaker 2>The better of the costume, the better your chances. Yeah,

0:40:57.440 --> 0:41:02.919
<v Speaker 2>And like one year they did Hieronymous theme, which would

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:04.920
<v Speaker 2>have just been awesome. And I think that kind of

0:41:04.960 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 2>shows like just kind of the coolness of the people involved, Like, yeah,

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, they didn't go with something trendy they went

0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:19.440
<v Speaker 2>with like a really dark, bizarre, weird like Painter Hoheronymous

0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Bosha's stuff is really cool And I didn't see what

0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:24.239
<v Speaker 2>all they did with it, but from what I read

0:41:24.239 --> 0:41:26.880
<v Speaker 2>about it, it seems like it was pretty bizarre. So pretty

0:41:26.880 --> 0:41:28.719
<v Speaker 2>cool Halloween party if you ask me.

0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, New York has always fun to Halloween. Imagine in

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy eight and seventy nine. It's audio fifty four.

0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 1>It was crazy.

0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you mean I walked all over New York once

0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:43.160
<v Speaker 2>from basically Wall Street over to green Point and just

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:45.640
<v Speaker 2>spent the whole day doing that and it just had

0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 2>like such a totally different vibe than it normally does.

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 2>It was cool, cool day. When was this, oh, twenty

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:57.759
<v Speaker 2>ten maybe something like that, because she went as a Snuggie.

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I think, oh on Halloween, Okay, I got you.

0:41:59.800 --> 0:42:01.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah Halloween, Halloween.

0:42:02.480 --> 0:42:04.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've had a couple of fun Halloween to New

0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 1>York back and when I was living in Jersey, that

0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:08.759
<v Speaker 1>was the Bridge and Tunnel guy.

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what they called the basically anybody who wasn't famous.

0:42:12.920 --> 0:42:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, well, anybody from New Jersey gotcha. One of the

0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:20.480
<v Speaker 1>outer boroughs got you because you came in via bridge

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 1>in tunnel.

0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I get it. Now, what about the end? Because again,

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:28.960
<v Speaker 2>this thing was like a bright, shining meteoric star that

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:32.839
<v Speaker 2>lasted less than three years, and it went down hard too,

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Like it wasn't like, ah, this has been fun. Let's

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:38.680
<v Speaker 2>shut the thing down, like the government came in and said,

0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:39.919
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna shut the thing down.

0:42:40.040 --> 0:42:43.839
<v Speaker 1>Essentially, Yeah, Steve bra Bell was very mouthe about how

0:42:43.880 --> 0:42:46.560
<v Speaker 1>much money they were making. In the paper, he was

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:50.880
<v Speaker 1>quoted as saying, only the mafia does better. Not smart,

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:53.960
<v Speaker 1>to be sure, but at least according to the prosecutor

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 1>and the documentary who prosecuted the case was like, it's

0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:59.359
<v Speaker 1>not because Steve bra Bell was mouthy. He said, we

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 1>had a confident informant on the inside that told us

0:43:03.280 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 1>about the fact that they were skimming eighty percent of

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:09.160
<v Speaker 1>the money. And this guy was like, you know, if

0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:11.799
<v Speaker 1>they were like business is skim back then with this

0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:14.839
<v Speaker 1>kind of business, like skim twenty percent, and they would

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:16.680
<v Speaker 1>have gotten away with it. He said, they got greedy

0:43:17.160 --> 0:43:19.760
<v Speaker 1>and were literally skimming like eighty percent off the books

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and keeping very very very detailed records about their skimming.

0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:26.840
<v Speaker 1>So it was all there, and they had an informant

0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:29.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of tell them where everything was hidden and where

0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:31.560
<v Speaker 1>the books were. And I tried and tried to see

0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:33.839
<v Speaker 1>if I could find anything about like who that might

0:43:33.880 --> 0:43:35.840
<v Speaker 1>have been, and I came up completely empty.

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 2>It was heronymous Bosh, it might have been. So in

0:43:40.640 --> 0:43:44.760
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy eight December nineteen seventy eight, the place got raided,

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:49.680
<v Speaker 2>apparently with thirty agents. That's a big raid. And I

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 2>guess as they were searching the place, Schrager showed up

0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 2>was like, hey, what's going on everybody, And he was

0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 2>carrying with him their cooked books, or I guess the

0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:03.880
<v Speaker 2>Uncooked book, which is even worse that in detail, meticulously

0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:07.120
<v Speaker 2>detailed all the money they were stealing. And one of

0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:09.760
<v Speaker 2>the other things that it showed is that all the cocaine,

0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:13.239
<v Speaker 2>because like they weren't selling cocaine necessarily. I'm sure like

0:44:13.280 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 2>if you were a nobody who got in, they weren't

0:44:15.680 --> 0:44:17.840
<v Speaker 2>just giving you free cocaine, you could buy it. But

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 2>if you were like a celab or somebody they wanted

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:22.640
<v Speaker 2>to keep happy, they gave you as much free cocaine

0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:27.560
<v Speaker 2>as you possibly wanted, and they would expense that all

0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:30.720
<v Speaker 2>the cocaine they bought. They expensed it whenever they actually

0:44:30.760 --> 0:44:33.919
<v Speaker 2>did pay taxes. So all of this was basically being

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 2>carried in by Schreeger and then as a little cherry

0:44:37.080 --> 0:44:39.560
<v Speaker 2>on top, on top of the pile, there were five

0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:42.760
<v Speaker 2>ounces of cocaine. So he walks in with thirty IRS

0:44:42.800 --> 0:44:46.279
<v Speaker 2>agents raiding the place with that on him, and they're like,

0:44:46.480 --> 0:44:48.160
<v Speaker 2>why don't you put that down and come over here.

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:51.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he disputes in the documentary that it was on him.

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:53.799
<v Speaker 1>He was like, this was stuff that they collected from

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:59.080
<v Speaker 1>around the club, but you know, the prosecutor said that

0:44:59.320 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 1>he had it with him. So either way, lots of cocaine,

0:45:03.440 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 1>lots of cash, lots of skimming off the top. They

0:45:06.920 --> 0:45:10.680
<v Speaker 1>would change the cash register tape midway through the night

0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:13.160
<v Speaker 1>to have another set of books that were on the

0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 1>up and up. But they would eventually hire famous scumbag

0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:22.319
<v Speaker 1>attorney Roy Kohane to come in and defend them, and

0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:25.759
<v Speaker 1>he very poorly gave them the advice of like, hey,

0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:27.719
<v Speaker 1>flip over a bunch of tables and stuff and make

0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:30.440
<v Speaker 1>it look like worse than it is, and let's get

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:34.200
<v Speaker 1>these pictures out there. And that just bought more disdain

0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:37.200
<v Speaker 1>and retribution from the state. Smarter the city.

0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I guess there was one little point that I thought

0:45:40.520 --> 0:45:44.399
<v Speaker 2>was kind of sad. During this raid, the IRS agent

0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:47.239
<v Speaker 2>supposedly found a room. There were a lot of like

0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:50.480
<v Speaker 2>secret rooms, like VIP rooms, but this one was so

0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:54.640
<v Speaker 2>secret and so vip that, according to Andy Warhol, Halston

0:45:54.760 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 2>hadn't even been told about it, and when he found

0:45:57.080 --> 0:45:59.799
<v Speaker 2>out about it, it hurt his feelings. And I'm with him.

0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 2>I can totally understand that he dropped so much cash there,

0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:06.480
<v Speaker 2>and then don't forget that first birthday party that they

0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:09.800
<v Speaker 2>hosted that he threw for Bianca Jagger put Studio fifty

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:12.200
<v Speaker 2>four on the map, and they didn't tell him about

0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:14.960
<v Speaker 2>the most secret room. I feel bad for Halston.

0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:16.840
<v Speaker 1>He should have had all access.

0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Huh. Yeah, if anybody should have, sure, I mean even Liza,

0:46:22.719 --> 0:46:25.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Definitely Halston though. All right.

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:29.359
<v Speaker 1>So Jack de the silent partner who invested to begin with,

0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:32.320
<v Speaker 1>was indicted along with them in a grand jury in

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:35.359
<v Speaker 1>June of seventy nine. That did not stop the club.

0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:37.799
<v Speaker 1>They were still upgrading it and building new things. That's

0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:41.880
<v Speaker 1>when that white clean rubber came in. They pleaded guilty

0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 1>in seventy nine of November seventy nine to tax evasion,

0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:51.239
<v Speaker 1>with Jack de testifying against them. The two guys were

0:46:51.280 --> 0:46:53.200
<v Speaker 1>sentenced to three and a half years, went to prison

0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:58.000
<v Speaker 1>together thankfully, and paid a guy for a year of

0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 1>protection while they hold out their competition and turned state's

0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 1>evidence against them in forming on other discos and they're skimming.

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:10.080
<v Speaker 1>And they got out after but a year.

0:47:10.320 --> 0:47:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, never trust a disco owner.

0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think Schreeger felt bad about it. He was like,

0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:19.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, my dad, he was in the gambling business

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:22.319
<v Speaker 1>and all this, but he was like Max the Jew

0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:24.200
<v Speaker 1>was a stand up guy, and like he would he

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:26.279
<v Speaker 1>was gone, And I'm glad because he would have been

0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:28.399
<v Speaker 1>ashamed of me for being a rat.

0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I could see that.

0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:33.719
<v Speaker 2>So the last they closed down, you said the club

0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:36.160
<v Speaker 2>kept going, but at least for this moment. It closed

0:47:36.200 --> 0:47:40.840
<v Speaker 2>down on February fourth, nineteen eighty with a Cyinara party

0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:44.520
<v Speaker 2>farewell party when yeah, I think that's what they call

0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:49.320
<v Speaker 2>him when they sent Schreger and Rubel off to prison,

0:47:49.440 --> 0:47:52.160
<v Speaker 2>So he just burned the place down, basically one more

0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:55.120
<v Speaker 2>night and those two they each served a year. Did

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 2>you say that, I think yeah. And as after they

0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.600
<v Speaker 2>got out, I guess they were in touch in prison,

0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 2>and they decided to get into the hotel business and

0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:09.160
<v Speaker 2>they started the boutique hotel trend apparently in starting in

0:48:09.239 --> 0:48:12.360
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty four with a hotel they opened as Morgan's.

0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they sold the studio space to a god named

0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Mark Fleischmann. He was a hotel guy, so they took

0:48:21.200 --> 0:48:25.200
<v Speaker 1>over one of his hotels rebranded it as this new

0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:29.160
<v Speaker 1>concept of boutique hotels. And that's what you know, Schreger

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<v Speaker 1>did for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it's time for boutique hotels to be

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<v Speaker 2>reinvented as something else, don't you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but what is it even just not part of

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<v Speaker 1>a big chain or some of them are even parts

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<v Speaker 1>of big chain.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they've become very formulaic. I mean, like funky art

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<v Speaker 2>in the rooms that are supposed to kind of feel

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<v Speaker 2>like your house but just remind you that you're not home.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes there's record players, there's like like a super cool

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<v Speaker 2>bar where people not staying at the hotel com usually

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<v Speaker 2>on the roof. And then there's the invariable restaurant, the

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<v Speaker 2>house restaurant that is new American cuisine every single time,

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<v Speaker 2>all of the same stuff on the menus and we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking tic hotels in totally different cities with totally different owners,

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<v Speaker 2>and everything's outfitted in like copper fixtures. You know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I totally know you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a formula now. I mean, it's been around

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<v Speaker 2>for forty years. I think we need something new.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the new thing there is?

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<v Speaker 2>I've already I'm calling for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, I gotcha. I thought you had an idea

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<v Speaker 1>or something. I was like, man, let's talk after we

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<v Speaker 1>hang up here.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm the kind of person right now who has

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<v Speaker 2>no ideas, just criticism.

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<v Speaker 1>I got youa. So, they also opened a Pladium nightclub

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<v Speaker 1>that was their last foray into the nightclub business, to

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<v Speaker 1>sort of partially help finance their hotel aspirations. And very sadly,

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<v Speaker 1>Steve re Bell died of complications from AIDS in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eight eighty nine, and that left Ian Trigger alone and

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<v Speaker 1>very sad because that was his bestie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it really was Ian Trigger just kind of he

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<v Speaker 2>had this thing hanging over him, this felony conviction. Even

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<v Speaker 2>when they opened the Palladium, they couldn't be owners on

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<v Speaker 2>paper because they weren't allowed to hold a liquor license.

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<v Speaker 2>And in twenty seventeen he was pardoned by President Obama

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<v Speaker 2>and I think one of his last days for the

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<v Speaker 2>text of Asian conviction, and that meant a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>Ian trigger. I read an interview with him from after that,

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<v Speaker 2>and he seemed to like really appreciate that, and he

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to have kind of been the kind of guy

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<v Speaker 2>who maybe deserved a pardon all this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Later, Yeah, he's like, can does this mean I can

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<v Speaker 1>stop paying protection to that guy from prison?

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<v Speaker 2>You got anything else?

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<v Speaker 1>I got nothing else?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that means, of course everybody, since neither one of

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<v Speaker 2>us have anything else. And it's time for listener mayl.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to call this cool email and addendum. Hey, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>the episode on widowhood just popped up. You mentioned federal

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<v Speaker 1>elected officials and how often the widow is appointed. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's quite common in my state of Kentucky in the

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<v Speaker 1>past for the widow of a sheriff who dies in

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<v Speaker 1>office line of duty or not to be appointed to

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<v Speaker 1>that office, mainly because the sheriff's personal estate is wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>up in his office, so letting her finish out the

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<v Speaker 1>term give some time to figure out if his tax

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<v Speaker 1>books balance. Wow, isn't that crazy. Yeah, if they don't,

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<v Speaker 1>the estate will owe more to the county. There have

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<v Speaker 1>been several notable widowed sheriffs or widow sheriffs in my state,

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<v Speaker 1>one being the first documented one, Mary Roach, who served

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<v Speaker 1>from twenty two to twenty seven after her husband was

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<v Speaker 1>murdered in office and she was a real sheriff, went

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<v Speaker 1>out with her deputies at work. Even The other was

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<v Speaker 1>a woman named Sheriff Florence Thompson, who took over after

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<v Speaker 1>her husband died in thirty six. She oversaw the last

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<v Speaker 1>public execution by hanging. Was apparently the first and probably

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<v Speaker 1>last woman to be in the role of you to

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<v Speaker 1>be in that role in the United States. Just three

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<v Speaker 1>months after she took office.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if this is what the sitcom She's the

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<v Speaker 2>Sheriff was based on.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's by the way, from Sean Herron, attorney at

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<v Speaker 1>Law Louisville.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks a lot, Sean from Louisville. That was a great email.

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely not heard that. Yeah, so thanks a lot.

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