1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks DJ Bucky 3 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: together again. Buck. How are we doing? Man? Man, We're good, DJ, 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: We're good. Today is the debut of Path to the Draft, 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: and so you know, we've been doing this for a 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: long time. So we get a podcast, we have like 7 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: a little pre show meeting, we got the taping and 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: all that other stuff. So it should be fun. I 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: know that you are only blessing us with your presence 10 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: and knowledge on Tuesdays each week, but it should be fun. 11 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: So we'll get into some of the things that we 12 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: eventually talk on PATH, but today should be a fun discussion, 13 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: just talking about anything and everything draft related. Yeah, we've 14 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: got Path to the Draft cranking up today, so we've 15 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:42,959 Speaker 1: got to look out of that Monday through Friday as 16 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: we go to the draft, and even a week after 17 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: the draft, we've got Mock Draft Weeklies. I'll be up 18 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: there Tuesday, so I'll be up there for Path as 19 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: well as Mock Draft Weekly. We've got to Move the 20 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: Sticks episodes coming your way three days a week as always, 21 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: so lots of draft content coming your way, including Buck 22 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,319 Speaker 1: writing some awesome stuff on NFL dot Com as well, 23 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: which we're going to jump into here Buck in just 24 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: a moment, because I want to have this quarterback discussion. 25 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: We were talking about this off the air and excited 26 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: to chat about this on the air, but as we 27 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: get into that, I wanted to start off with this. 28 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: We are in Top thirty visit season, and I know 29 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: teams do this differently. I don't know that we've ever 30 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: talked about this on the pod before, because I'd be 31 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: curious the teams you worked for how you approached it, 32 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: because some teams maybe bring in one or two guys 33 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: at a time. Other teams you bring in a whole 34 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: host of guys and put them in there and let 35 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: them interact together. How did you guys do it with 36 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: the teams you were with. We brought in the guys 37 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: that we were really interested in, and I know, like 38 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: what happens. People try to not send up smoke signals 39 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: when it comes to guys that they may draft. But 40 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we talk about the 41 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: limited amount of time that you have with the top prospects. 42 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: You want to have as much intel as you can 43 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: have on these guys and So when you bring in 44 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: a guy for a top thirty visit, he gets a 45 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: chance to come into facility. You're around it for twenty 46 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: four hours. You're able to kind of put them in 47 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 1: meetings and talk to the coaches, position coaches, coordinators, you 48 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: have dinner with them, so you really walk away knowing 49 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: the thirty prospects that you bring in. Now you're a 50 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: kind of the letting maybe the league know who could 51 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: be in your crosshairs, but I would rather them know 52 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: and us continue to be able to get the draft 53 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: pig right then trying to play a bunch of different 54 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: games and not really get all of the information that 55 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 1: we need to have so we make good decisions on 56 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: draft day. Yeah, I would break it down this way 57 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: for the teams that I was with. If you have 58 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: thirty visits, I would say fifteen of them would be 59 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: for players that are in the mix. You know, like 60 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: you're you're in the mix of taking them in the 61 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: first or second round. You know, high priority guys. You 62 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: just want one more interaction with them. You're gonna have, 63 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 1: you know, seeing them at All Star games, combine Pro day, 64 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: maybe a private workout with your position coach. But it's 65 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: just another chance to get around them. So you say 66 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: you allocate maybe half of those for guys that you're 67 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: really interested in taking early in the draft. I would 68 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: say ten are because of medical or character that you 69 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: need to clean up, so you're going to bring them in. 70 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: We want to get another look at them medically. Maybe 71 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: there's something that popped up at the combine that caused 72 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of concern there in the building with 73 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: your medical staff, so you're going to bring him in 74 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: to be able to hopefully answer some of those questions. 75 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: And then you have some of the character stuff as well. 76 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: Maybe it's something that happened off the field you want 77 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: to clean up. Maybe there's some football character issues, some 78 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: issues about maybe their work ethic, things like that. So 79 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: you're going to allocate some spots to bring guys in 80 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: for that reason. And then I would say, lastly, five 81 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: you probably hold five some years more than five, but 82 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: five guys who were not invited to the combine, but 83 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: you have draftable grades on because if they didn't go 84 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: to the combine, you don't have medical and you're not 85 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: going to take a guy if you don't have medical 86 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: information on them. So in some cases it could be 87 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: a guy to pro Day who ran four three and 88 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: jump forty two inches, and you're like, man, we only 89 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: had one grade on him in the fall. You know, 90 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: we're just trying to catch up. We need to bring 91 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: him in, spend some time around him, and get a physical. 92 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting to talk about him, to break 93 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: it down the way we talk about these visits and 94 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: the character stuff. A lot of the stuff is the medical, 95 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: but really the character because now you're trying to figure 96 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: out from a cultural standpoint, how does the guy fit, 97 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: particularly if he has character issues. Do we believe we 98 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: have the right environment for him to be able to 99 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: not only be a great football player, but can to 100 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: be a model citizen within our walls? Can we trust 101 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: that he is going to make good decisions? And so 102 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: the more that you learn about the player, hopefully the 103 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: better you feel when it comes to yay or nay 104 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: in terms of the prospect, But it still doesn't guarantee anything. 105 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: I remember years ago when we're the Carolina Panthers, we 106 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: brought in Odell Thurman, linebacker from Georgia, who was a 107 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: great player. He was a great player, but let's just 108 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: say on his visit he had a tough time making 109 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: it to where he needed to make it without a stratu, 110 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: he was a little distracted. So it kind of foreshadowed 111 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: how his NFL career would be. But look, it's a 112 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: funny story. He ended up in a place where a 113 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: gentleman's sp that he certainly didn't need to visit on 114 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: a top thirty business probably not the best look, and 115 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: so we passed on Odell thurmant He did have a 116 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: great i think rookie season or second season, like he 117 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: had two good years and then he made bombed up 118 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: in the league. But yeah, so sometimes the business don't 119 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: go your way. But you're always trying to bring into 120 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 1: character guys to make sure that you feel great about him, 121 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: particularly when you have to present the information to ownership. Well, 122 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: I'll give you and not to pile on Odell Thurmot, 123 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: but the he came in our combine room and in 124 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: the fifteen minute interview and there was some stuff, you know, 125 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: some stuff in the background, and Mike Singletary, who was 126 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 1: our linebackers coach at the time, just he went off 127 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: on him. You know, just how can your priorities be 128 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: this out of whack? And he made this decision and 129 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: this decision you're not gonna last this league if you 130 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: don't do. I mean, it went on longer, longer than 131 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 1: any of us anticipated in the room, to the fact 132 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: that it didn't leave us enough time to do some 133 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 1: of the other things we need to do in that 134 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: fifteen minute period. And then so this whole thing goes on, 135 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: and so it's like, okay, now, let's take a step back, 136 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: and let's try and maybe lighten it up a little 137 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: bit and just kind of finish up this interview. And 138 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: we probably established we're not going to take him, you know, 139 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: at this point in time. And so the next question, 140 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: I don't remember who it was in the room, but 141 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: somebody said, all right, Odell, is there anybody, uh like, 142 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: favorite player, anybody you grew up admiring pattern your game 143 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: after And he said, Mike, single, theory and hard. That 144 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: was a tough one. Tough one. That's a tough one 145 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: to deal with. That is definitely a tough that was 146 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: that was tough. When it comes to quarterbacks, it's different 147 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: with them. Obviously, you're gonna get as much interaction with 148 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: him as as you can. Um Some teams will send 149 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: them a little mini playbook ahead of time, maybe a 150 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: week ahead of time, and then when they come in, 151 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: you're gonna kind of quiz them on that and ask 152 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: them to even kind of explain it and install it. So, uh, 153 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: that's that's an interesting thing that teams do. One thing 154 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: that I know a team's doing in this cycle I 155 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: thought was fascinating was they're giving the quarterback tape of 156 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: his game, right, like an All twenty two tape of 157 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: his game, and they're having him, Okay, I want you 158 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: to create a tape now, cut up off of this 159 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: and come in and tell me what was your preparation 160 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: in the game. You know, what did you think you 161 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: were going to do, What were you going to see? 162 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: How did that happen in the game, What was maybe 163 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: the same or different than your preparation? How and then 164 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: how you played in this game and explain to me 165 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: why and you know why not the decisions that you 166 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: made within the game. But having them kind of make 167 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: their own tape off of their own game, I thought 168 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: I actually liked that better than asking you to swallow 169 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: our information, like, how well can you explain what you did? 170 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: We'll have time. We're going to have time to give 171 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: you our offense and install it and then go from there, 172 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: But how much did you master the offense you've had 173 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: the time to study there where you were in college. 174 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: That was fascinating. No, it is fascinating. I think it's 175 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: beneficially a few different ways. We are seeing them more 176 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: than ever it used to be draft a quarterback. Quarterback 177 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: has to learn your system. We're now seeing that the 178 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: teams to have success with young quarterbacks are drafting the 179 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: quarterback asking him, what are the favorite things that you 180 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: did in your previous system in college? How can we 181 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: take that as a base and build upon that? And 182 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: so the more that the quarterback can explain the offense 183 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: that he played in, the more that he can demonstrate 184 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: the mastery of that offense, maybe the more compelled you 185 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: would be to take some of the core concepts of 186 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: that system and put it into your system to allow 187 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: the quarterback to be comfortable. It also potentially could signal 188 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: some red flags if the quarterback can't fully and in depth, 189 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: in detail explain what he was asked to do, how 190 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: he was asked to do it, and how he did 191 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: it on tape. To me, that's the thing, because if 192 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: you've been in school three or four years and you've 193 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: had the same offense, coordinate the same system. You should 194 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: know it like the back of your hand. And the 195 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: ability to articulate it is important because you're going to 196 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: be asked to talk to your teammates articulate exactly what 197 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: you expect from them when you break the huddle sometimes 198 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: because you're gonna have one or two guys that may 199 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: not know where they're going to ask, and so your 200 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: ability to be able to master schematics and also communicate 201 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: those schematics are really important in the evaluation process because 202 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: that's what you're can be asked to do each and 203 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: every day. Yeah, that to me, I think is a 204 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: great It's a great way to see mastery, and that's 205 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: what you want, right that's what you're searching for. When 206 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: they get on your squad. You hope that they're going 207 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: to master the information that you give them, but I 208 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: think in some cases it's almost a little unrealistic task 209 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: and to do that, you know, right now, let's let 210 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: them prove that they've mastered where they were and then 211 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: we'll work on, you know, what they can do for us. 212 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: So I thought that was fascinating, just to want to 213 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: give everybody a little behind the scenes look there at 214 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: what goes on in these visits and why these visits happen, 215 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 1: because I feel like sometimes you'll see it pop up 216 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: on Twitter and they'll say, oh, this player's going there, 217 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: like oh they love this player. You don't know, maybe 218 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: they just have some incomplete information they're trying to fill 219 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: it out. You mentioned the smokescreen thing. I always thought 220 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: that was kind of dumb, you know, like, you know 221 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: these are priceless visits, you want to use them all 222 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, there's no need to trigg people. Like, 223 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you want to get 224 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: it right and that's what you're judged on, your ability 225 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: to get players that contribute for you in major ways. 226 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: And so yeah, you can do all that other stuff 227 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: to deceptive practices or whatever, but I would rather spend 228 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: my time make sure that we got the right players 229 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: that fit our system so we can have success when 230 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: the ball is teed off in September. Yeah, one hundred percent. 231 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take a quick little break, we're 232 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: gonna come back. We're gonna talk about quarterbacks and what 233 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: it looks like in terms of the team building process. 234 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: We've we've done some homework on this. We've got some 235 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: interesting nuggets and notes we want to hit on that 236 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: right after this. All right, Buck, let's jump into this. 237 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: You've done some homework on quarterbacks as it relates to 238 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: the team building process, as it relates to trying to 239 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: win a championship, and I want to give me an 240 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: opportunity here to let us know what you learned through 241 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: that process, and I'll give you my thoughts on it 242 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: as well. So, DJ, this is fascinated from so many 243 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: different angles that we could have a four podcast on this. 244 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: But wrote at the end of last week in my notebook, 245 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: I talked about the quarterback factory. A couple of years 246 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: ago when the Philadelphia Eagles selected Jalen Hurtz after signing 247 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz to a four year, one hundred and twenty 248 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 1: million dollars extension. People really took how he roseman the 249 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: task because he talked about, we're in the quarterback developing business. 250 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: We want to create a quarterback factory. As long as 251 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: Doug Peterson is here. We've talked about this is important 252 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: to us, and so going all the way back and 253 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: thinking about Doug Peterson being a part of Andy Reid's 254 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: coaching tree and Andy Reid being a part of Mike 255 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: Holmgren's coaching tree. It took me back to my time 256 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: with the Green Bay Packers. Ron Wolf, Mike Honrin and 257 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: those guys believed every other year you should draft a quarterback. 258 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: You should draft a quarterback, You should develop the quarterback 259 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: because the quarterback is the most valuable commodity that any 260 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: team put half. And if you have multiple quarterbacks that 261 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 1: can play at a high level, it allows you to 262 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: trade off and auction off those quarterbacks to get back 263 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: what you need, be at players or draft picks. Now, 264 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: remember Mike Holmgren came from San Francisco, where in San 265 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: Francisco you talk about the San Francisco forty nine and seven, 266 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: two Hall of Fame quarterbacks on the depth chart at 267 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: the same time, Joe Montana and Steve Young, and then 268 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: the third with Steve Bono, who also played in the 269 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: league and played successfully as a starting quarterback. So now 270 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: fast forward to head to what Howry Roseman is talking about. 271 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: With the Philadelphia Eagles. When they took Jalen Hurts, people 272 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: view Jalen Hurts as a developmental prospect. He came in, 273 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: he was a second round pick. People wonder, how could 274 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: you expend a second round pick, which is a valuable 275 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: pick on a quarterback. Well, fast forward, now Jalen Hursts 276 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: is one of the top five quarterbacks in the league. 277 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: They move on from Carson Wentz. This is a team 278 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: that has gone to a super Bowl because of how 279 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: quickly Jalen Hursts developed. I think there's some lessons to 280 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: be learned for team builders and looking at the quarterback 281 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: and never really shine away from taking a quarterback high 282 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: if that quarterback has potential, and if you're invested in 283 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: developing young quarterbacks despite maybe half a quarterback on your ruster. Yeah, 284 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting. I think it's a great 285 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: point that you bring up, and I would say, haven't 286 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 1: been in that building buck that they If you were 287 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: to rank the positions, and I see a lot of 288 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: times we do this. I think our buddy Lance just 289 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: did this the other day in terms of the positions 290 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: in this draft, how they stack up. But if you 291 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: were going to say what are the most valuable positions, 292 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: A lot of times people will pull out, you know, 293 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 1: the franchise tag numbers, because your money is going to 294 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: tell you where the value is, Like who's getting paid 295 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: the most at what positions. That's going to tell you 296 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: where the value is. But I would say, haven't been 297 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: in that building. They if they were going to list 298 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: all the positions, backup quarterback would be listed ahead of 299 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: starting guard, like they would. They value that position for 300 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: three reasons. Number One, you have value as the backup 301 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: in case he has to get it in play right 302 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: like you want to invest. They've always invested in that quarterback, 303 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: whether it was a high draft pick, relatively high draft pick, 304 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: or whether it was paying some good money in free agency. 305 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: They've done that over the years. Look at the money 306 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: that they've dolled out to their backups because they view 307 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: that as an important thing. Because goes down, he gets 308 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: in place for us. So there's value number one as 309 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: the backup. There's value number two as somebody that could 310 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: develop into being your future starter. So that carries tremendous value. 311 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 1: This guy might end up being our starter. We're going 312 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 1: to continue to work with him, and now all of 313 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: a sudden we've made him a starting quarterback. So there's 314 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: tremendous value there. And then there's the third option, which 315 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: is what you're talking about as well, which is the 316 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: trade option. So we're going to build him up. He's 317 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: going to have value for us as a trade ship 318 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: to be able to bring us more draft capital than 319 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: what we expended on him, or be a really strong 320 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: return on your initial investment. But they don't view it. 321 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: They don't view backup quarterback as a backup. They view 322 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: that as almost like a starter level position, and therefore 323 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of emphasis placed on having somebody in 324 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: that role that's either accomplished as a veteran or somebody 325 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: that's got tremendous upside as a young guy. So let's 326 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: go back and listening about that organization that Philadelphia Eagles. 327 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: Let's think about some of the quarterbacks that have made 328 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: their way through there. So we think about Donovan we nab, 329 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: which was taken in nineteen ninety nine. I think that 330 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: was Andy Ree's first pick. They have him. Doug Peterson 331 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: was a starting quarterback initially, Dono McNabb takes it, and 332 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 1: then they go on, remember this is the only team 333 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: that was really interested in Michael Vick. They bring Michael 334 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: Vick in as a backup as a developmental player behind 335 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: Donovan McNabb. Michael Vick becomes a starter and they have 336 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: Kevin Cobb who they drafted. I think it used a 337 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: second round pick on Kevin Cobb, developed around, developed him 338 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: to a point where when Michael Vick pops and explodes 339 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: and plays at a high level, they trade him away 340 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: to the Arizona Cardinals and bring back I think a 341 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: talented corner maybe Dominic Rogers, Kramarti or somebody they bring 342 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: back and some currency. And so you continue on Nick Foles, 343 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: and Nick Foles saves the day when Carson Wentz goes down, 344 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: and so you see how the Philadelphia Eagles have consistently 345 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: been in the play. Sam Bradford used him, traded him 346 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: away to the Minnesota Vikings when they had Carson Wentzon. 347 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz showed that he was ready to play immediately, 348 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 1: and so they understand the value of that. And so 349 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: we can talk about the Philadephia Eagles, but let's talk 350 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: now about the San Francisco forty nine ers and what 351 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: they're quietly doing because everyone is talking about Brock Furdy, 352 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: because we saw last week at the owners meeting where 353 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: John Lynch said, hey, he's earned the right to be 354 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: the starting quarterback based on what he did last year 355 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: in seven nine games. However, you want to judge him, 356 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: Trey Lance was a number three overall pick. CEO Jed 357 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: York said, we're okay with that because what you do 358 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: to get Trey Lance is what you need to do 359 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: to get a quarterback, and the cost of doing business 360 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: is what it is. But you can never you can 361 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: never have enough quality quarterbacks on your roster. And when 362 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: you have a quality set of young quarterbacks on the 363 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: cheap because I think combined Trey Lance and Brock Furdy 364 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 1: will combine for a cap hit of about ten million dollars. 365 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: And so because it's so cheap compared to the going 366 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 1: rate of forty million dollars for a starting quarterback, it 367 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: enables them to go and get a Javon Hargrave. It 368 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: enables them to eventually resign Nick Bose and some of 369 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: the other talented players that they have on the roster 370 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: because the quarterback is on the cheap. And oh, by 371 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: the way, signed Sam Donald to a one year, two 372 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: point four million dollar contract so they can develop him. 373 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: Cal Shanahan talks about he has the skills to be 374 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: a starting We've seen him be a starting quarterback in 375 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: the league. And so for about thirteen million dollars, they 376 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: have three options at quarterback, and they said, eventually, we 377 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: would love for one of these guys to be signed 378 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: to a make extension, but if not, we're going to 379 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: continue to operate with this young, cheap model and continue 380 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: to build up the rest of the roster and see 381 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: what it looks like down the road. So I'm so 382 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: glad that you mentioned this because how many times have 383 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: you seen it, And even if it's not immediate, if 384 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: it's a couple of years after the fact, like you've 385 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: seen the posts about man the forty nine ers got 386 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: raked over the coals in this trade. They traded up 387 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: for Trey Lance. They traded these these two future ones. 388 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: So when you look at the columns, it's Trey Lance 389 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: in this column, and it's those picks and who those 390 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: players are in the other column, it's not accurate because 391 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,120 Speaker 1: that's not what it is. It's the money that they 392 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: save with Trey Lance compared to what they would have 393 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: to pay Jimmy Garoppolo. And so all of a sudden, 394 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: now you put on Hargrave in that column with Trey Lance, 395 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, those scales start balancing out 396 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: a little bit. Because that's not it's not just you know, 397 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: you're trading the picks for a player, you're trading the money. 398 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: You're trading the chance to get a quarterback on the cheap, 399 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: which is going to free up the picks you'd love 400 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,800 Speaker 1: to have. But because we don't have those picks, you 401 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: know that you wish you had them, but you don't. 402 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 1: And now you have all this money because you've got 403 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: a cheap quarterback, which frees you up to spend in 404 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: the free agent market. So it's not it's not in 405 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: apples to apples comparison. When you look at that trade, 406 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: you have to factor in the money. DJ. You know 407 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,400 Speaker 1: what I'm waiting on. I'm waiting for someone like a 408 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: great coach, maybe it's Kyle Shanahan. I'm waiting for a 409 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: great coach who has a great plug in place system 410 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: to begin to use pro football like college football meeting. 411 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: You have a quarterback for three or four years, that 412 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 1: quarterback graduates, you bring in another quarterback to playing that system, 413 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: and you continue to run that recruiting cycle until you 414 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: get what we're gonna talk about in a few a 415 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame caliber quarterback. If I don't have a 416 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterback, I'm not going to be married 417 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: to a guy who is an average to as slightly 418 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: above average quarterback. I'm always chasing great and so we'll 419 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: keep cycling these quarterbacks through. We won't become emotionally attached 420 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: to the quarterback. We will be attached to the money 421 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: that we're paying the quarterback based on the production that 422 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: he brings. And if he doesn't bring the level of 423 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: production and performance that is at that Pat Mahomes or 424 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow level, we're okay moving off of him and 425 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: bringing in another. And so it will take someone with 426 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: courage and conviction to do that. But the teams that 427 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: are able to do that will always stay one step 428 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: ahead of the game because look at the Niners and 429 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: look at how they're always close. If you use that model, 430 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: you can be successful until you get the quarterback, the 431 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: gold jacket caliber quarterback that you need to win the 432 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Yeah, that's a great point. I think Ryan 433 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: Tannehill is trying to look it up. I think his 434 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: cap hits like thirty six million. So if you're to 435 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: take the Titans as an example, well, they trade up, man, 436 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: you have to give up some ass to go from 437 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: eleven to three. But with giving up those assets, they 438 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: get the quarterback at three. Tannehill moves on, I think 439 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: that number I got. I think Zach Wilson his number 440 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: was around ten million, was like his cap hit, right, 441 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: So that's just a quarterback that was taking number two. 442 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: So this would be the number three pick. So I 443 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 1: haven't looked at the exact numbers, but you're somewhere around 444 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: ten million. So in that difference and that savings of 445 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: twenty five million bucks, Like, dude, you can go out 446 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: and get some really good players for twenty five million bucks. 447 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: So that offsets what you give up in terms of 448 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: the draft picks. It does offset that. And we're at 449 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: a point where we're talking about the devaluation of running backs, right, 450 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: and so if we're looking at a don't draft him early. 451 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: We can draft them late. We can get that. So 452 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: if you're all in on the valuation model, DJ is 453 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: taking what we talked about the most valuable positions, is 454 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: investing in those valuable positions and doing it. So we've 455 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: heard how he Roseman talked about it. He said in 456 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: the article that I read, he talked about we're always 457 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: about offensive linement, defensive linement, and quarterbacks like that's what 458 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: the game is. The game is about that. Yes, we'll 459 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: get playmakers, but we are always going to invest in 460 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: those things. And so people talked about, hey, they drafted 461 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: Andre Dillard, maybe it didn't work out, but Jordan my 462 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: Alta worked out, So what it's a wash. So it's 463 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: not necessarily about when you expend the picks. It's the 464 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: money that's allocated and the way that you utilize the 465 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: money based on how you develop the players. And so 466 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,239 Speaker 1: it's a holistic approach, but it's one that should be 467 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: followed because we have seen this team is always there 468 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: and they can't see the Chiefs with Andy Reid because 469 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 1: Andy ree was in Philadelphia. They utilize a variation of that. 470 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: They moved off from all of their expensive players, pretty 471 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: much like Tyrek Hill. Know, because we have the Hall 472 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback. Then we went cheap on defense with 473 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: the developmental model with all of the dbs and the 474 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: pass rushers and those things. And so they're ways to 475 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: do it both ways. With a high money quarterback and 476 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: with a young, cheap quarterback. They're ways to do it. 477 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: But you have to have the courage to not listen 478 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: to the outside noise to make the moves that you 479 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: have to make based on the situation that you have 480 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: at quarterback. And you talk about, you know, the high 481 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: money quarterback and then you look at the cheap quarterback. Right, 482 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: there's a two different plans to build. The one thing 483 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: they have in common is it's a talented quarterback. Yeah, 484 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: so if you take if you take the years, and 485 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: you take the money off the table, the one thing 486 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: that's irrefutable is the fact that these have to be 487 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: high end, high ability players. Now that's going to get 488 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: us the next part of this discussion. Because my buddy T. J. McCreight, 489 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: who I worked with, who actually got me into the NFL, 490 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: was my brother's college roommate and kind of opened some 491 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: doors for me to give me my opportunity there with 492 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: the Ravens, he's working with the thirty third team does 493 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: a great job there. And he had this tweet a 494 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: while back and said, if you look the last thirty 495 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: one Super Bowl winners, twenty seven of the thirty one 496 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: either have current Hall of Fame or future Hall of 497 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: Fame quarterbacks. So the four and that's taken into account, 498 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: we're going to assume that Eli Manning, you know, eventually 499 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: gets into the Hall of Fame. You know, I know 500 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: Peyton was on the downside with the Broncos at that 501 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but still he's a Hall of Fame quarterback 502 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: who was on that team. If you look at the 503 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: four years in the last thirty one that it wasn't 504 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame player. Was Nick Foles played out 505 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 1: of his mind in a playoff stretch? It with Joe Flacco, 506 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: same thing. It was Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer. So 507 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 1: those are four at a thirty one years where the 508 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 1: quarterback who won a Super Bowl isn't a Hall of 509 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,479 Speaker 1: Famer or a future Hall of Famer. And I think 510 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: we're assuming Matt Stafford with the numbers, he's going to 511 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: continue to pile up throughout his career and he's got 512 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: a championship. We're putting him in that classification as a 513 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. Debate that, you can debate that at 514 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: another time. The point still stands, Buck, you have to 515 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: have an elaked level quarterback to win a Super Bowl 516 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: unless you are darn near perfect everywhere else and everything 517 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: just lines up for you. So that that begs the question. 518 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,479 Speaker 1: You should be in one of two camps if you're 519 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: a team right now, you have a future Hall of 520 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: Fame quarterback or you are looking for a future Hall 521 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 1: of Fame quarterback. Those the only two options. That is 522 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: so what you saw me doing when I was playing 523 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:54,959 Speaker 1: my phone, I was doing a little math, and so 524 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: to math suggest that you need to hit it eight 525 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: percent rate, meaning eighty seven percent of the guys that 526 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: have winning Super Bowl have Hall of Fame caliber quarterbacks. 527 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: So when we start to evaluate, and I think sometimes 528 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of easy to fall in the trap DJ, 529 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: particularly when you're media scouts, right, It's easy to fall 530 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: in love in the trap of hey, everybody's a top 531 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: five pick, and you gotta take him in the top 532 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: five and this and that. But what we're saying is 533 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: really that should be reserved for like hollowed ground, that 534 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: that should be like reserved for like those special players. 535 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: And I know people will point out, what you know, 536 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes was taken ten, Well, we met miss evaluated 537 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes based on Mitch Drubisky, going to Pat Mahomes 538 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: should have been up there in that spot. But what 539 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: you're looking for when you're evaluating these quarterbacks in the draft, 540 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: you're looking for as you put high in quarterback play, 541 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: high ability. We're talking about like rare, elite traits. That's 542 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: how it has to be done. And you want to 543 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: see the production on the field. But you're just not 544 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 1: not taking a quarterback just because hey we did a quarterback. 545 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: We just go take a guy like it has to be. 546 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: Your eyes are affixed to a we're always hunting for 547 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: that gold jacket quarterback. Yeah, it changes the way you think, 548 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, and I think of a team like Detroit, who, 549 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: as far as I know, I don't think Detroit's doing 550 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: a ton of work on quarterbacks. I think they're kind 551 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,120 Speaker 1: of content. Yeah, they're content with Jared goff And Jared 552 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: goff played great. Jared goff was one one. You know, 553 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: he was the first overall pick, so that means there 554 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: is the ability there. Jared Goffs's been to a Super Bowl, 555 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, it had a chance to win a championship there, 556 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: has had good statistical numbers. It's just, you know, maybe 557 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: it's a little bit easier in the NFC than the AFC, 558 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: but it you have to you have to be real 559 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: with yourself though, Buck when you look at just just 560 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: look at what we just talked about. You have to 561 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: be real and say, Okay, it's good good enough. It's 562 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: good good enough because if you look at it historically, 563 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: it hasn't been. It hasn't and so you're you're always 564 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: evaluating that position and you want to be realistic when 565 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: it comes to that. So that means teams like the 566 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: Minnesota Vikings with Kirk Cousins. It even means teams like 567 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. Can you envision those guys being gold 568 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: Jackie guys? And more importantly, we talked about this. We 569 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: talked about one of the things that you do when 570 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: you're scouting and you're building your team is you're building 571 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: your team for the division. Well, let's take out the 572 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: team and let's now talk about quarterbacks. Right now, we 573 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: can confidently say, like the top four or five quarterbacks include, 574 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:32,359 Speaker 1: in whatever order, Pat Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen. I 575 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: would throw in Justin Herbert. You're gonna talk about Jalen 576 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: Hurst being in that conversation. You have to be able 577 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: to look at your quarterback and put a verses by 578 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: that my quarterback versus any of those five guys that 579 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: we're talking about, and if my quarterback and they shootout 580 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: cannot when they shootout with those guys, then we need 581 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: to upgrade and get better. And you know what, think 582 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: about our era during when we were scouting, you had 583 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: to look at it and say, Okay, Tom, Ben Peyton, 584 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 1: like can we get can we get through those guys 585 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: because those are the guys that are wanting all the 586 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: Super Bowls? And can we do? Is our guy good 587 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: enough to go beat that run? Especially when you're in 588 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: the AFC at that time where it's like, Okay, we're 589 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: gonna play Ben Roethlisberger one week and a turn around 590 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: and play the Colts Peyton Manning and then all we 591 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: gotta wait at Tom Brady waiting for us in New England. 592 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 1: And so that's how it has it has to be. 593 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: And so the quarterback East either has to have the 594 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: individual talent to take those guys down or you gotta 595 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: you have to build a super team that will close 596 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: together that will enable him to win in a one 597 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 1: and done scenario against those guys that we're mentioning. And 598 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: so when it comes to quarterback play, and as it 599 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: relates to the draft, when we're looking at these guys, 600 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: can we envision those guys going tote toe in a 601 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: shootout with those top guys. That's the standard. When we're 602 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: talking about grading guys or whatever. You just don't want 603 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: to throw grays up there, but that is the standard. 604 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 1: Can I see my guy eventually getting to a point 605 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: in two to three years where he can go totete 606 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: with those aforementioned five guys. This is an interest, This 607 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: would be an interesting project, and maybe we throw this 608 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: out there to a listener to have some fun and 609 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: do a deep dive on this. We can have Jack 610 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: help us out and research as well. Our buddy does 611 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: a great job. If you compared Jared Goff with Eli Manning, 612 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: there's there's some similarities there, right, guys were first overall picks, 613 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: didn't click early, then had success. The difference being though Eli, 614 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: in those big games and the biggest moments, was able 615 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 1: to elevate everybody, elevated himself, that elevated everybody around him. 616 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 1: Now it wasn't you know, it's consistent throughout his career, 617 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,479 Speaker 1: but in those big moments he was able to do it. 618 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: Jared has gotten to those stages in those moments and 619 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: hasn't been quite able to do that. But I'd be 620 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: curious if he looked at the numbers looked at their careers. 621 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: It's very interesting. That is a great comparison because when 622 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: you brought up in our era, you talked about Tom 623 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: Peyton and Ben Roethlisberger doing that same era. Eli Manning 624 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: one too, and so he's a bit of the outlier. 625 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: And so now based on that in the NFC, right, 626 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: because all the quarterbacks are in the AFC, he didn't 627 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: have to on the gauntlet to get there. He just 628 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: said no, only had to play one of them. He 629 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: didn't have to go through the whole gauntlet of them. 630 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: And so then looking back at Eli, what was really 631 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: the impetus for them winning that defensive line and the 632 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: way that they played. He made a handful of throws 633 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: that were spectacular. But I wouldn't say that the Giants 634 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: necessarily won because of him. I would say that they 635 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: won because of the collective more so than that. But 636 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: for that, Jared Golf certainly deserves to be in that conversation. 637 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: So it kind of changes maybe the way that I 638 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: look at Jared Golf if we're using the Eli Manning model, 639 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: and the Detroit Lions have to be cognitive of that, 640 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 1: because then they need to make sure that they elevate 641 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: the team and elevate him by surrounding him with a 642 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: supporting cast not just offensive weapons, but defensive firepower that 643 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: enables him to play his game and win against those 644 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: guys that we talked about that are currently in the 645 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: top five. They built the defensive line to go get 646 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: those Hall of Fame quarterbacks, you know, and I know, look, 647 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: it's I think it's different than even harder though for ELI, 648 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: because you had Aaron Rodgers, you know, out there in 649 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: the NFC. You had to get through him and that 650 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: was no easy task there on the way to a 651 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: super Bowl. But man, you look at right now the 652 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: NFC is pretty wide open. It's a fascinating debate and discussion. 653 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: If you're the Lions, there to me the team that 654 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: has the most interesting decision because you can say you 655 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: can use this Giant's model, you can say the NFC, 656 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: look at how watered down it is right now. Jalen 657 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: Hurts is kind of you know, the class of the 658 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 1: quarterbacks here. We don't have the gauntlet that the AFC does. 659 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: We can build up a defensive front. We already have 660 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: a pretty good start at it, and we can add 661 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: to it in this draft build up a dominant defensive 662 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: front and then he's you know, we're making the bet 663 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: that he's going to be good enough to get us 664 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: through whoever we would see in the Ultimate title Game. Yeah, 665 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: I mean that that is what it is. But remember 666 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: the landscape changes quickly, and all it takes is a 667 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 1: handful of the quarterback to pop up in the NFC 668 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: and now it resets, and so it gives them a chance. 669 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: Where you talk about the Detroit Lions, it also may 670 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: lead us to understand maybe why the new of the 671 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: Saints wanted to go so hard at Derek Carr because 672 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: maybe in their mind they can surround him with enough 673 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: that gives them a fighting chance to be able to 674 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: knock off to Philadelphia because with some of the teams 675 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: at the top of the NFC. Yeah, it's it's interesting. 676 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: It's an interesting time to be putting a team together, 677 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: and there's lots of the data you got to pour 678 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: through it and try and make the best decision for yourself. 679 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: But that was fun. That was a fun exercise there 680 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: to just kind of see now where teams are, you know, 681 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: are you comfortable with who you've got or are you chasing? 682 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: And we're gonna find out when you get to the draft, 683 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: how this thing comes off the board. And I think 684 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: that's Today's a little bit of an example listening to 685 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: this and having this conversation Buck, where you can see, hey, 686 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: if you don't have one, just keep keep going, keep 687 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: trying to keep keep taking your shot. You gotta just 688 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: keep swinging. You can't stop. You can't just get content 689 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: with who you have. So that's where you look at 690 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 1: Seattle with Gino Smith, you look at Tennessee with Ryan Tannehill, 691 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: you look at the Raiders with Jimmy Garoppolo. Many of 692 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: those teams decide to move up and take a swing 693 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: on one of these guys. Don't be surprised because of 694 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: what we just talked about today. Yeah, it's it's all 695 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: about the quarterback. It's all about the quarterback. Either you 696 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: have one or you don't, but you're always looking for 697 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: one and ultimately that searchch determines how you build your team. 698 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: There you go, all right, this has been a fun episode. Again. 699 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: Path to the Draft kicks off this afternoon, so be 700 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: on the lookout for that. That is going to be 701 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: six Eastern on NFL network. Buck is going to be 702 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: all over that and mock Draft live tomorrow as well. 703 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: It's draft season. We're here. Appreciate it, Buck. Good to 704 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: see you, man, I will see it in person tomorrow. 705 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: Good luck with the show, all right, man, we'll do 706 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: it all right, that's it. We'll see you next time 707 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: right here on. Move the sticks.