1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: A and Paranormal Podcast Network. Now get ready for another 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: episode of Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. The thoughts 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and opinions only, 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: and do not necessarily reflect those of I Heart Media, 6 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast A out, employees of 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You are encouraged 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: to do the proper amount of research yourself, depending on 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: the subject matter and your needs. You are listening to 10 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with Me, Heidi Hollis on the I 11 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a M Paranormal Podcast Network. 12 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to my ship. Remember each week this is the 13 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: place to come to to learn about anything and everything 14 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: out of the ordinary, from angels to aliens and shadow 15 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: people to hat man. I welcome you the listener, to 16 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: participate also in this show by sending in whatever is 17 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: on your mind. Just go to Heidi Hollis dot com 18 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: and put as much detail as you'd like, or if 19 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: you'd like to come on this show and share your encounters, 20 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: your experiences, your thoughts. I welcome it the more the better. 21 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: Now today is going to be a really fascinating conversation. 22 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: It's one of my favorites. I know I'm known for 23 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: being that demon lady, shadow people hat man, but I 24 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: actually have more books on the topics of Jesus encounters, 25 00:01:56,280 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: Angel encounters and all of that good positive stuff versus 26 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: my demon topics. And we are going to talk about 27 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: near death experiences, that in between life stuff that we 28 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: all have to get to at some point, don't we, 29 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: and talking about these connections that get made in between 30 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: those different lifetimes. Have you had a near death experience? 31 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: Have you had an understanding that just doesn't quite fit 32 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: into the mold of what's out there, because I know 33 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: I have. I've had memories of in between lifetimes and 34 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: some would say even many near death experiences, which I'll 35 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: get in a little bit detail here. I've not really 36 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: shared much here about that, but I can't help but 37 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: to wonder how and why I've experienced a lot of 38 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: the things that I have. But it may have something 39 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: to do with those little brushes with death. I say little, 40 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: but nothing's little about near death experiences. Right. Wow, So 41 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: growing up I had a severe form of epilepsy and 42 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: luckily I outgrew it, so it is something of my past. 43 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: But in those moments, I am very very confident that 44 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: I got glimpses of the other side. But I also 45 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: know I had glimpses into this other side without those 46 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: seizures and various phenomena that happened in my lifetime, but 47 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: I would have these moments that clarity. I was seeing 48 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: people in white robes, I was taught different things, and 49 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: I went to a place that I know to be 50 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: a crystal city. It's the best way to describe it. 51 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: Ancient Roman looking like buildings or Greek and going inside 52 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: and being taught different things. Now it's a it's been 53 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: really interesting to randomly bump into people who have some 54 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: knowledge of these things. And I have been on a 55 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: learning streak about that more recently and I am still learning, 56 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: but it's really changed a lot of my perspective. And 57 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: I recall as a kid telling my sister Um, I 58 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: went to the crystal city again, and I saw another 59 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: angel talking to angels, learning different things, and it's so peculiar. 60 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: It is so peculiar because when you're a kid, you 61 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: just don't have that filter. You just share, right, You 62 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: just are like, Hey, this took place, and it is 63 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: what it is. As an adult, I don't run into 64 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: people or I'm just like, yeah, yeah, I had this happen. 65 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you there is something I am working 66 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: on right now that I'll have to speak on in 67 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: the future as I put my thoughts, my research all 68 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: into perspective on some of the things that may have 69 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: happened to me that are connecting a lot of dots 70 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: and just blowing my mind. And it takes a lot 71 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: to blow my mind. I have dealt with so many 72 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: strange things in this lifetime, and wow, it just keeps 73 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: going there. But I want to share with you one 74 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: of my favorite near death experiences that I've ever come across, 75 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: and I just I love how people turn their lives 76 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: in a different direction after they have these near death 77 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: experiences and and how they help others do the same 78 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: thing that they're believed and taken seriously when they come back. 79 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: So this comes from today dot Com and the title 80 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: of this is I crossed Over. Survivors of near death 81 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: experiences share afterlife stories, and the subtitle says, for many, 82 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: the question of what happens when we die is a 83 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: mysterious one. But for others, the question has a clear answer, 84 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: and this is by Lindsay, Sybil Diner and Chris Sirico, 85 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: And it continues. For many, the question when we die 86 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: as mysterious, and a Today survey found that fifty five 87 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: percent of people are absolutely certain there is an afterlife, 88 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: are not certain, and eight percent are certain there isn't 89 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: an afterlife. Those are some strange numbers, aren't they. I'm like, 90 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: fifty five are absolutely certain and some of us just 91 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: don't think about it. That's really odd, or just don't believe. 92 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: So it continues, but for some who have been through 93 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: near death experiences, the question has a very clear answer. 94 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: Take public speaker Anita more Johnny and wow, her story 95 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: is something else, guys. She shared her story with Maria 96 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: Shriver on Today, and she says, I believe that I died, Yes, 97 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: that I crossed over into the afterlife and back, said 98 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: more Johnny, adding that the afterlife is like being in 99 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: a really unlimited space and time. Diagnosed with lymphoma in 100 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: two thousand and two. More Johnny, who considers herself more 101 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: spiritual than religious, Why does that always have to be 102 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: a point? I don't understand but I just have to 103 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: say that because again, it's like, if you're raised in 104 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: one religious belief, it's okay to say that's where you stand, right, 105 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: isn't it okay? But for some reason people point out 106 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: I'm very general, just so they could be open to others. 107 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: I guess I I don't know, because I used to 108 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: say it too, you know, all, I'm spiritual, you know, 109 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: meaning I believe there's a higher power, but I'm not 110 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: going to slap the title of a religion behind it. 111 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: But then I'm like, well, I believe in Jesus, so 112 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: I'm Christian. Right. So so I've had that argument on 113 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: here with myself many times. Sorry guys. Um So anyways, 114 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: So to continue, she was losing her cancer battle, withering 115 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: down to just eight five pounds and battling tumors from 116 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: the base of her skull to her abdomen. She slipped 117 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: into a coma in February of two thousand and six. 118 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: She said that's when she died and crossed over to 119 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 1: an afterlife. She says, I felt as though I was 120 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: above my body. It was like I had three D 121 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: and sixty degree peripheral vision of the whole area around, 122 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: but not just in the room where my body was in, 123 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: but beyond the room. According to Majani, the author of 124 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: the new book was new when this article came out. 125 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: Dying to be me, she was reunited in that state 126 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: with her late father, who told her to turn back. 127 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: He said that I've gone too far as far as 128 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: I can, and if I go any further, I won't 129 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: be able to turn back, she said, but I felt 130 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: I didn't want to turn back because it was so beautiful. 131 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: It was just incredible because for the first time, all 132 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: the pain had gone, all the discomfort had gone, all 133 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: the fear was gone. I just felt so incredible, and 134 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: I felt as though I was enveloped in this feeling 135 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: of just love, unconditional love. Citing an incredible clarity where 136 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: everything started to make sense, she said she decided to 137 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: return to her body because she believed it would heal 138 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: very quickly, and it did within four days. My tumors 139 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,560 Speaker 1: shrunk by seventy and the doctors were shocked, and I 140 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: kept telling everyone that I know I'm going to be okay. 141 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: I know it's not my time to die. So I've 142 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: actually heard stories like this one where people had a 143 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: terminal illness and they passed and they came back against 144 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: all odds, Like, how is that possible? If we're allowing 145 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: ourselves to get to that point of understanding that it 146 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: is possible. Isn't it easy to understand that there may 147 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: be a higher power that helped in that. I mean, 148 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: there had to be some kind of special design in it, right. 149 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: Why why were we able to come back? Why are 150 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: we able to peek and come back? I have a 151 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: friend that is a guest on this show, Carolyn Clapper, 152 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: who had meningitis. She had the viral and bacterial meningitis, 153 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: died and came back with incredible abilities. She's one of 154 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: the top medical mediums in the world now. So there 155 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: is something going on, and I hope that we can 156 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: get to that sense of understanding because if we can, 157 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 1: if we can realize that and own that, there's power 158 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: in that. It's like having no doubts. As I tell people, 159 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: it's like, how do you have no doubts? Like when 160 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: you're standing in front of something so evil? How do 161 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: you gather that strength to have no doubts that you 162 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: can indeed be okay in that moment? Because I have 163 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: no doubts in this higher power to be able to 164 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: stand behind me because here's evidence right here. Somebody died 165 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: of a horrible disease and bounce us back and says, hey, 166 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to heal. And it's like, I'm sorry, but 167 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: you've got tumors from your skull, talent to your abdomen. 168 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: There's no way up. It's gone in four days. How 169 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: is that possible? Miracles, people, miracles. I think we have 170 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: to realize. Miracles help us understand there is a great 171 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: designer in this world. And if there's something that can 172 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: control the positive, there are dark things that can control 173 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: the negative. But we just got to fight back and 174 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: having no doubts in the positive. You feel me? All right, 175 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: We're going to continue this conversation and we've got fabulous 176 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: guests coming up at the end of the show, and 177 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: I'll talk a bit more about that after the break. 178 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: You guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me, 179 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to 180 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be right back. 181 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: Keep it here on the I R Radio and Coast 182 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Heidi Hollis will be 183 00:12:54,520 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: right back. 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This program today is all 218 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: about that life and between life, like what is going 219 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: on there, how are some people having memories of that 220 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: life between life, and how people are having these afterlife 221 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: connections as well. In fact, today after this segment, I 222 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: have a couple of guests, Dr David Bettenhausen and Carla 223 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: Bogney Kit who will be discussing some of their work 224 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: and understandings of their connections between lifetimes, which I find 225 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: absolutely fascinating. And uh, I wanted to finish reading this 226 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: article to you about another case of a near death 227 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: experience that just kind of shows the different stages that 228 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: things happen to people and why that might be, Like, 229 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: what is the bigger picture and why these things might happen? 230 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: All right, So this again, this comes from today dot 231 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: Com and it's as diagnosed at age four with a 232 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: chronic digestive disorder. Eight year old Annabel Beam experienced intense 233 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: pain and frequent hospital visits. She was always so sweet 234 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: and gracious. Her father, Kevin told Today she wasn't making 235 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: a big deal lot of it, and she was suffering 236 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: in silence. But the suffering started to overwhelm Annabel. I 237 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: told my mom, Mama, I want to die and go 238 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: to Heaven with Jesus where there is no more pain. 239 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to be in this much pain for 240 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: the rest of my life, she said, And so I 241 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: was committed to just giving up that sometimes whenever I 242 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: couldn't sleep, I'd kind of try and figure out what 243 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: would happen if I did die. Then I decided my 244 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: mom would come with me. My dad would stay and 245 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: watch my sisters. Annabel's mother, Christie, refused to believe what 246 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: she'd heard. I remember thinking, that's not what she said. 247 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: Christie recalled, she doesn't know anything about giving up. She's 248 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: a fighter. Days later, Annabelle said she felt thirty feet 249 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: from a tree branch that cracked while she was sitting 250 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: on it with her sister Abby. She claims that after 251 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: bumping her head three times on the way down and 252 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: falling into the hollowed out base of the tree, she 253 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,760 Speaker 1: died and went to heaven. It was really bright, and 254 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: I sat on Jesus's lap and he told me, whenever 255 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: the firefighters get you out, there will be nothing wrong 256 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: with you, annabel recalled. And I asked him if I 257 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: could stay, and he said, no, I have plans you 258 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: need to fulfill on Earth that you cannot fulfill in Heaven. 259 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 1: That's interesting, huh. A few days later, she told her 260 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: family about her experience. She was very matter of fact, 261 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: very like, this is what happened, not at all animated. 262 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: Just here are the facts, Christie said, and then she 263 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: stopped talking and looked out the window. For the rest 264 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: of the trip, Now symptom free, annabel has gone from 265 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: taking ten daily medications to none. She fell thirty feet 266 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: head first without any injuries or one bug bite. Her 267 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: mom said. She came out of that tree hours later, wet, muddy, 268 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: and with scratches, and she's well. The tree, which toppled 269 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: due to the weather, remains in the Beam family front yard, 270 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: besides a cross Kevin carved after the accident. I'm glad 271 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 1: that I didn't ever try and cut it down, he said. 272 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: I do think that this tree was actively involved in 273 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: a miracle. There goes that word. His wife, who turned 274 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: Annabel's story into the book Miracles from Heaven, which has 275 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,239 Speaker 1: now been turned into a major motion picture of the 276 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: same name, agreed it had purpose. Christie said it was 277 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: a vessel. Annabelle, who continues to climb trees, feels fortunate. 278 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: She says, most kids aren't ever healed, and so anytime 279 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: I see the tree, I'm just grateful and happy. I 280 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: love it. I love those stories. Yeah, it's a strange thing, 281 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: like when death happens, it just never feels right, doesn't 282 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 1: like if that was meant to happen. Even some people 283 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: they're at death's door, they don't want to die. Some people, Yeah, 284 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: I mean, they're in so much pain they want to 285 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: give up, But is that the goal? No, It's like 286 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: we always seem to be surprised when death starts to 287 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: creep or it just hits us. And it's like, why 288 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: is that? Why do we feel like we should indeed 289 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: be able to live a lot longer than we have. 290 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: And I know there's a reason. I know there's something 291 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: to that. And this is something that I talked about. 292 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: But I have talked much here on this program about 293 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:15,199 Speaker 1: the thing that limits life on this planet. It's in 294 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: the Bible, It's been written of in the past in 295 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: other ways and forms. Is evil. Evil put its print 296 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: on mankind. But we read in the Bible how people 297 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: lived hundreds of years? Right, Like did they count? Right? 298 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: Did they count the same way that we do? Okay, 299 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: Jesus is thirty three years old? But Moses, well how 300 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: what Moses was? How old? What? What were we talking 301 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: about here? So something is very different in the way 302 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: that humankind's life extent, right, And I know I've been 303 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: keeping my finger on the pulse of shadow people, hat Man, 304 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: that whole phenomena going on. And again, one of the 305 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: reasons I know that I came here to be born 306 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: is to point out these evil things. And my understanding 307 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: is when these evil things are shown the door by 308 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: enough people, that life expectancy is going to change as well. 309 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: A time of change. You know, people are talking about 310 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: the end of the world, and I'm like, it's a 311 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: time of change. His plan has been here a long time. 312 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: I was going to blow up. Uh. You know, everybody 313 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: has their interpretations and there are a ton out there, 314 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: but I believe it's a time of change, and definitely 315 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: a lot of us have to get the message in 316 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: order to pull through this change well enough, because um, 317 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: I would be really scared if it was the end 318 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: right now, because way too many people would it say. 319 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: At the beginning of this article, it says fifty five 320 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: percent of people believe there's an afterlife, eight percent say 321 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: they don't believe there is in thirty seven percent, aren'tcher 322 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: I think we need to figure this out, don't we? 323 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: I mean, well, why are we leaving this to chance? What? 324 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 1: What is going on here? Why is this a question? Huh? 325 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: Until you lose somebody close to you, your mother died, 326 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: Oh no, we only get one mom, right, birth mother? 327 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: Of course, we could have a lot of moms throughout 328 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: our lives that helped mentor us and whatnot. But when 329 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: we have such a loss, it is so so earth shattering, 330 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: just we wonder what happened? Where are they? How can 331 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: we get them back? How can I make sure they're okay? 332 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: Where did they go? Shouldn't we know this part by now? 333 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 1: I mean, why are we not better with with understanding 334 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: this process. We have a lot of practice, don't we 335 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: a lot of practice and understand ending people don't live 336 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: a whole heck of a lot. Here we see somebody 337 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: make it to their nineties and we're like, wow, life, 338 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: well lived. Way to go, And imagine if we could 339 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 1: live a lot longer than that, if we didn't have 340 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: this negative, dark energy thing pulling on us all the time. 341 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: They say stress age is a person. Oh, I'm positive 342 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: of that. And you've seen somebody that has a really 343 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: stressful job and at the end of their work day 344 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: they are depleted, absolutely depleted. They lose sleep over it, 345 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: and they're not laughing, they're not smiling. I mean, the 346 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: muscles in your face, it just all droops down. Honestly, 347 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: you can look in somebody's eyes and say you're you're 348 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: sad aren't you Because the light is out, so we 349 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: can read these things, all right. So if we can 350 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 1: read these things, then we know that there is a 351 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 1: process that we need to get better at. That there's 352 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,440 Speaker 1: negative things that could pull our energy down. And where 353 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: does our energy come from? Is there battery packed in 354 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 1: us somewhere? I think there's something else packed in us. 355 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: It's a soul. And if things like hat Man shadow 356 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: people can reach into your chest and pull your soul out, 357 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: how draining is that? And what are we talking about here? 358 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: So we've got to figure this stuff out and get 359 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: better at this whole arena called life and realize that 360 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: there is an afterlife and there is something that we 361 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: better understand a whole lot better than we do now. 362 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: I know we can do it. I don't think I'm 363 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: a fluke. I don't think a lot of people are 364 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: flukes that talk about having been to this other RealD, 365 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: this other place. We continue to exist, We continue to exist, 366 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: We close our eyes to go to sleep. There's a 367 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: whole lot of me doing a whole lot of stuff, 368 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: and sometimes I hear about it from people. It's not 369 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: strange to say, you know, back in the day when 370 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't have a website. I did, 371 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: and I would get the most interesting emails from people 372 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: just like yourselves who would tell me that they saw 373 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: me somewhere and would be so adamant about it and 374 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: so determined to let me know they saw me somewhere, 375 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: and I just couldn't put two and two together to understand. 376 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 1: And they send their photos and I'm like, wow, they 377 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: look familiar, and I'd have glimpses and memories of having 378 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,719 Speaker 1: seen or helped somebody. It's in my sleep while astro 379 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: projecting or what some call by location. It's a strange 380 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,120 Speaker 1: world we live in. Our bodies are something else. Our 381 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: souls are powerful, and we have gifts set we don't 382 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: even fully understand, because I sure have not, and I'm 383 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: still learning like all of you. So um, yeah, let's 384 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: realize that there's an afterlife. And you know, after the break, 385 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: we're going to talk to a couple of fascinating guests 386 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: that recalled there in between their connections personally and how 387 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: it's helped them to better understand and pull them closer 388 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: together and help explain some things that might help you. 389 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: There's always a way, and there's always people that kind 390 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: of add to our knowledge base and it's always neat. 391 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be your beliefs necessarily, but it's uh, 392 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: it's a learning experience. We take little pieces and might 393 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: help fill the gap somewhere and it's all good. 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Coast to Coast a L dot com. 445 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: Welcome back. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with 446 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio Coast to 447 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: Coast AM Paranormal podcast network, And as promised, I have 448 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: a couple of fabulous guests I'm going to introduce right 449 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: now Dr David Bettenhausen and Carla Bogny Kid. They have 450 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: been close friend since and feeling a deeper spiritual kinship 451 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: for each other. When Dave and Carla had spontaneous memories 452 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: of twenty nine past lives together while meditating, they went 453 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: on to get past life regression training with Dr Brian 454 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: Weiss and David is a physician who is semi retired 455 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: and Carla recently retired as his office manager. They now 456 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: share their message together where the gift of past lives 457 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: and how love is the answer. So welcome Dave and Carla. Great. 458 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to meet you. Hidi same. You two 459 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: have quite the background, and I think it's beautiful and 460 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would benefit to hear 461 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: your story. So what can you tell us, Like how 462 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: did this happen? Like I've come into a room and 463 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: met people and I'm like, gosh, do I know you're 464 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: from somewhere and and it's like it's a weird connection. 465 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: And so you two have that, and I mean, how 466 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: did that come to be? Well, like you said, Heidee 467 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: back in I bought the practice where Carla was the 468 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: office manager. We soon became best of friends. Life was good, 469 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: we were having a successful practice. Carla had my back 470 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: all the time. She's an absolutely wonderful woman. And about 471 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: seven years ago we started electronic medical records, which was 472 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: a big change to how the practice was. And Carla 473 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: came in one day and said, you know, you've become 474 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: a real grouch. Uh. Actually, um, it was worse than 475 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: grouch because he's normally like a cross between Fred Flintstone 476 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, Yogi Beart. You couldn't even 477 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: speak with him, he was so cranky. And I just said, 478 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: do you want to do you want me to call 479 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: a counselor or do you want to try meditation in 480 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: the office. So we decided to meditate in the office. 481 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 1: We did it with all four of us before the 482 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: patients would come in, and the first two days it 483 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: was all of us. On the third day it was 484 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,960 Speaker 1: just Dave and I and Dave realized that he had 485 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: a gift for the first time in his entire life, 486 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: that he could speak with the spiritual world. Um. He 487 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: never knew it until that day in May two thousand fourteen, 488 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: and it was, yeah, it was very strange for me, 489 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: but also it became sort of a a significant transition 490 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: in the way I looked at everything in life. I 491 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: met my spirit, whose name was Isabella, and she immediately 492 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: told me she had been with me for six thousand 493 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: years through forty two different past lives. We kept meditating 494 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: every day because I told Carla that I thought maybe 495 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: I was crazy, but I started to share with her, 496 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,719 Speaker 1: and she said, well, we've got to keep doing this 497 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: path because it's making you a better physician, your your kind. 498 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: You're carrying the day I remember came back. One day. 499 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: I was meditating and I looked at carl and said, 500 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: I just had this strange memory, and I was it 501 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: was back in nineteen sixty two, and I was three 502 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: years old, and I knew my dad had gone to 503 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: graduate school in Boston, and I remembered being a three 504 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: year old running on the beach in Boston. Carla looked 505 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: at me and said, when were you in Boston. We 506 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: grew up in Boston because I was originally from Nebraska, 507 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: ended up in Ohio, where I bought this brackfast. Carla 508 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: was raised in Boston. And he said, well, I was 509 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: running on the beach and I was screaming and yelling, 510 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: and I could see this ferris wheel in the background 511 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: and a roller coaster and souvenir shops and I was 512 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,280 Speaker 1: running screaming, and this little girl ran over and pushed 513 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: me down. She sat on my chest and gave me 514 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: a kiss on the forehead, and she jumped up, put 515 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: her hands on her hips. She had on this little 516 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: two piece ruffled blue bathing suit, and she said, be quiet, 517 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: you're bothering my family. And Carla looked at me and said, 518 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: David was me And I didn't have to. I didn't 519 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: have any um meditation um moment where I said, oh, 520 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: I remember that. I remembered it because um, we were 521 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: raised the good Catholic family, um five girls. I was 522 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 1: the baby, and for whatever reason, the day my parents 523 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: were you know, Catholic, getting splitting up, getting back together, 524 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: splitting up. At that particular day, we were all together. 525 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: We were not well off. My father rented two cabs 526 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: and all seven of us went to Revere Beach and 527 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,399 Speaker 1: we knew by the description and the day was given 528 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: us that it was Revere Beach because it wasn't just sand, 529 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: it had a big amusement work with it. So when 530 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: we got there, I didn't have a bathing suit for 531 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: whatever reason, and I normally would have inherited one from 532 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 1: one of my sisters. So we all went across the 533 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: street and I got my first brand new two piece 534 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: blue ruffled bathing suit. It was etched in my mind 535 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: because I had something new, my first two piece bathing suit, 536 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 1: and my family was together, and um, Dave was quite 537 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: obnoxious that day. But when he said it, um, you know, 538 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: screaming like he did. Um, it was just I couldn't 539 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: believe that he would know that my sister worked in 540 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 1: the office with us. And we both found like chills 541 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: up our back because we know this. So we get 542 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: to meditate to see what else would happen. Yeah, so 543 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: we kept meditating because we thought, wow, we actually met 544 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: when we were three and four years old and not 545 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: again until fifties thirty five years later. And so every 546 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,439 Speaker 1: day we kept meditating. And then I had a day 547 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 1: where I had this memory and I was suddenly standing 548 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: in an alley and it was dark and there was 549 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: a bright light over there, and I looked across the 550 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: alley and I'll say I saw Carla standing in the alley. 551 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: Now it looked like Carla, like not exactly she had 552 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: on this fringed dress, and her hair was shorter and 553 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: she had a little banded but it was still her 554 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: same steel blue eyes, and I knew it was for 555 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: And then two bright lights flashed. I heard a bang. 556 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,800 Speaker 1: I got hit in the chest and I was thrown back, 557 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: and I knew I had been shot. So I told 558 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: her this memory, and she looked at me like okay. 559 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: The next day we're meditating, I get more of this story. 560 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: I find out that I met this flapper named Ruby 561 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: Dot Wilson who's his father's name was James He. She 562 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: was from Bullock, Georgia. She had moved to Chicago to 563 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: become a dressmaker because that was her dream. However, she 564 00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: got caught up and she was working for a man 565 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: named Angelo. And Angelo used to come into my bank, 566 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 1: and I was a junior banker, and I got invited 567 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: to Angelo's wedding, and an Angelo's wedding, I met Ruby Donaldson, 568 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: one of the flappers that worked for him. I told 569 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: Carlo this story. Carlo is the most curious woman there 570 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: is out there. So Carla took the story and went 571 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: went searching. And actually, on a day that I was off, 572 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 1: I went on to ancestry Dot com and I found 573 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,640 Speaker 1: Ruby Donaldson born in nine four to James and Anna Donaldson, 574 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: one of eleven children UM. And then I also found 575 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: an article from the wedding of the mobster Angelo Jenna 576 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: Um January the tenth ninety five. He married Lucille Spinola 577 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 1: and Lucille Spinola's brother was Um, the president owner of 578 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 1: the bank where j j worked. And I also found 579 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: an article UM about the wedding cake. They had three 580 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 1: thousand mobsters at this wedding. It was held at Ashlan Auditorium. UM. 581 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: It was so large they couldn't have it at a 582 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 1: church UM in Chicago, and the wedding cake was over 583 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: ten ft tall. Imagine a cake that served three thousand people. 584 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 1: So I called Dave and I said, you know, all 585 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: these names you're giving me, I can corroborate them. I 586 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: can corroborate the wedding. And I found the article about UM, 587 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: the cake and everything. So you know, of course, has 588 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 1: made us so curious, and we just continued to meditate. Unbelievable. 589 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: I've got to ask you both because one thing I 590 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: like to express here on this show is how people 591 00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: are met with something so out of the ordinary, and 592 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: how how they incorporate that into their lives. How on 593 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: earth do you get met with this reality that you 594 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: know a lot of people can't relate to and allow 595 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: it to sink in and to be part of who 596 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: you are and and expressing who you are? I mean, 597 00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,800 Speaker 1: how what? What? What were you guys doing and thinking 598 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: about all of that? Well, in the beginning, um, you know, 599 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: we couldn't wait to do it because we were so 600 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 1: curious to see what else we would find out. Um. 601 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: But ultimately after we did, when I did tell my family, um, 602 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: all but one sister has nothing to do with me. 603 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: That they are sure that I am, um, you know, 604 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: uh friendly with satan um and I'm going straight to hell. Yes, horrible, 605 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: I know. But it's when you mess with people's core 606 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: beliefs in whichever manner, they cannot handle it. And if 607 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,240 Speaker 1: they are wrong and you are right, then that really 608 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,439 Speaker 1: disturbs them. They don't know what to believe, they don't 609 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 1: know what to think because most people, through religion, have 610 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,359 Speaker 1: been taught about good and bad, um, hell, heaven and 611 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: what you have to do to save yourself. So reincarnation 612 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: just throws a big monkey and you know, into the 613 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: whole thing reincarnation was God's plan from the beginning. You 614 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,919 Speaker 1: can have reincarnation and God both. But Dave, how about 615 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 1: your sister? Yeah, well my sister was a little bit doubtful. 616 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: But I guess I looked at this differently because I thought, Okay, 617 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,959 Speaker 1: I'm crazy, but I'm a physician, so I ought to 618 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: find out more. So I read the research by In Stevenson, 619 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: Jim Mattlock, Jim Tucker. You know where they're They're looking 620 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: at spontaneous memory of children, and they found kids that 621 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:54,360 Speaker 1: have very verifiable stories, much like Ruby and JJ's story. 622 00:40:54,800 --> 00:41:00,880 Speaker 1: I started looking at meditation and realized that meditation past 623 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 1: life regression or hypnosis and of that kind the time 624 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 1: between wake and sleep. Our brains actually start to access 625 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,759 Speaker 1: the subconscious at those same times, and we actually have 626 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: palpha waves in the back of our heads and theta 627 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 1: waves that show up if you do E E G. S. 628 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: We stop see increase blood flow in both parts of 629 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 1: the brain when this happens. So all those times that 630 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: people report pass life memories, the brain is doing the 631 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: same thing. Absolutely fascinating, unbelievable. Well, we're gonna end it 632 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: right here, and we are going to pick this up 633 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 1: after the Break with a Doctor David Bettenhausen and Carla Bogny. 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Be a hero, donate today, visit 655 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:29,359 Speaker 1: red Cross dot org or call Red Cross Welcome back. 656 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,360 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 657 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 658 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:43,480 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network just before the break, or speaking 659 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,920 Speaker 1: with Dave and Carla, And my goodness, it breaks my 660 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: heart whenever I hear people have been essentially disowned for 661 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,160 Speaker 1: having UH an experience that doesn't have anything to do 662 00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: with anybody else, but they can't stand to hear it, 663 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,319 Speaker 1: and oh gosh, have to cut this off. La la 664 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: la la, I gotta cover my ears. It's like, I 665 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: think of how weak is that person's faith that they 666 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: can't even hear these things. But I understand that words 667 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,960 Speaker 1: have power as well. But it's like whatever we let 668 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: in is the culprit, not UH, you know it is. 669 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: Your family, is your brothers, your sister. So I'm sorry 670 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,400 Speaker 1: to hear that you guys have had challenges, but um, 671 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: I'm curious to learn about your books and what it 672 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 1: is that you've come across in all of these things 673 00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: that you've been doing. It are just fascinating. Well, our 674 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: our first book was The Gift of Past Lives with Mother, Isabella, 675 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:43,160 Speaker 1: God and Elizabeth, and it's really a book that explains 676 00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:50,800 Speaker 1: our initial experience. It explains the five Simple Rules of living, 677 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: which will go over It also shows many of our 678 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:59,520 Speaker 1: past lives and well, we'll say what choices we made 679 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,879 Speaker 1: that weren't correct and what we should have learned from 680 00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,880 Speaker 1: those choices that we would bring into the next life. 681 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 1: And our second book is called Hell No Reincarnation, and 682 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 1: we actually look at some of the research on reincarnation, 683 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,840 Speaker 1: we look at some of the biblical references to reincarnation. 684 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 1: We actually look at the fact that biblically we don't 685 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 1: believe there's a hell. That hell is really a combination 686 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,400 Speaker 1: word that was placed in uh in the King James Bible. 687 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,520 Speaker 1: It's it's really related to a place called Sheol Hades 688 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,040 Speaker 1: and the value of Jehanem. The value of Jehannem is 689 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: the ditch outside of Jerusalem where they put people to 690 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 1: death and burned and killed people. And then there's people 691 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: like myself who have seen hell and it's like, oh, 692 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, so it gets it gets. It gets confusing 693 00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 1: for some people when they hear these things and if 694 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: they have an understanding. So but I get it. I 695 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 1: mean there's people that have different faiths and different leaves, 696 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: and it's like, how do we know for certain? How 697 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 1: do we know what is? So? You know? So but 698 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 1: again it's like people should take in what they hear 699 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,640 Speaker 1: and decipher for themselves what fits into their reality. So 700 00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,160 Speaker 1: our our reality has become that reincarnation was God's plan 701 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:24,120 Speaker 1: from the beginning. Chance after chance, you're given free will 702 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,440 Speaker 1: when you're here on earth. You need free will because 703 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,840 Speaker 1: without free will, you cannot love, because love cannot be 704 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 1: coerced or forced. And when you choose to make all 705 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: decisions out of love, you return is the spark of 706 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,120 Speaker 1: love from God. You are created back to the Creator 707 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 1: as love. It's a pretty simple message. Kind of beautiful, 708 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: kind of beautiful. Um, And so you get chance after chance, 709 00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: there's not this this chance. You screwed it up. And 710 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,399 Speaker 1: because you only lived one day, one month, one year, 711 00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 1: or only one lifetime to get another chance, let me 712 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,600 Speaker 1: ask you both, do you feel if that's the case. 713 00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,839 Speaker 1: Uh So people be like, Okay, well I'll just kill 714 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: and then I'll get another chance. I'll just bet on 715 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,240 Speaker 1: that happening I mean, so there is this thing called karma. 716 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,320 Speaker 1: I know that's that's something that you mentioned as well, 717 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: and it's like, but is it right to just keep 718 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,839 Speaker 1: on doing this and it couldn't be potentially responsible for 719 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,759 Speaker 1: deja vous? Have I been here before? Did I do this? 720 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 1: Did I have to repeat this scenario because I kept 721 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,839 Speaker 1: messing up? I think the answer to that is yes, 722 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 1: you know, you keep you keep going through these things, 723 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,920 Speaker 1: and you're responsible for your own actions. So when you 724 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,319 Speaker 1: start seeing your life now and you find that your 725 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:48,360 Speaker 1: life is what some people report is hopeless, it's because 726 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,760 Speaker 1: you may have done hopeless things to people in the past. 727 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,160 Speaker 1: Getting off this cycle is the real reward. Returning home 728 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,720 Speaker 1: to God is the reward. So you want to finish 729 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:03,440 Speaker 1: your karma. You don't want to hurt people. So killing 730 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: someone is going to bring you back to another life. 731 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,239 Speaker 1: Committing suicide and cutting your own life short is going 732 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: to bring you back to another life, and you have 733 00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,720 Speaker 1: to face the same problems you had in the life 734 00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,960 Speaker 1: that you tried to short. So you can't escape by killing, suicide, 735 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 1: or any of those things. Carter isn't always so black 736 00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,480 Speaker 1: and white, um cut and dry. For instance, Dave's father. 737 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 1: A couple of is now passed over. But in one 738 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,520 Speaker 1: of his lives he was a slave trader, and of 739 00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,359 Speaker 1: course he stole children and UM people, separated families, change 740 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 1: them in his boat, delivered them to uh the America's 741 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:45,320 Speaker 1: and then in a life after that, UM, he actually 742 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,920 Speaker 1: lost his wife, his child was abducted, UM, his son 743 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,880 Speaker 1: was murdered, and then the life after that was this 744 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 1: life when he was Dave's father. A very wonderful man, 745 00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:02,280 Speaker 1: M a principal UM, well liked, respect did, UM, good natured, 746 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,400 Speaker 1: but he suffered for twenty years with Parkinson's disease and 747 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 1: was chained to his wheelchair. So karma isn't always that simple. 748 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,720 Speaker 1: But he learned what it was like to be chained 749 00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 1: and to be owned. But how do we know? I so, 750 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:20,359 Speaker 1: I understand that there's proof of reincarnation with different bits 751 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:23,799 Speaker 1: of research that's out there, but you know, so I 752 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,280 Speaker 1: hear your story, I hear what you're saying about his father, 753 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,640 Speaker 1: and it's like, but how do we know? It's a 754 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:33,520 Speaker 1: it's a very subjective understanding. And I it's not that 755 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: I can't relate. I have some understandings of past connections myself, 756 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 1: but UH, I can't say that I have kept cycling 757 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 1: over and over here. I have memories of not coming 758 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,839 Speaker 1: here but going elsewhere. And it seems that's that's an 759 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 1: expansive route for souls uh to go outside of this uh, 760 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,759 Speaker 1: this planet itself only? And have you heard of that 761 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:04,000 Speaker 1: concept before? Certainly we've heard of that concept. I'm going 762 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,359 Speaker 1: to tell you that the third book, which is called 763 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 1: The Manual, we discuss a lot of that in detail. 764 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:19,719 Speaker 1: Part of that is the experience of not being physically 765 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 1: present on Earth that heavenly experienced. The time between lives 766 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: is a very bright light, crystalline. You fill in the 767 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,400 Speaker 1: details based on your past life memories, so what you 768 00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:41,800 Speaker 1: see when you're not in this world can seem very unworldly. However, 769 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: I believe it's the time between lives. We wait for 770 00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,560 Speaker 1: the next cycle, when you actually cycle back to the 771 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,560 Speaker 1: next time to return, and so you're going to see 772 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:56,880 Speaker 1: crystalline light, angel lights, the colors, the music will be different. 773 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: Experiences are not of this world you call this in between? 774 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,319 Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit about that? Absolutely? Uh. 775 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,520 Speaker 1: Actually I've had I got to experience and watch my 776 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 1: father's but I also have got to experience my own 777 00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,560 Speaker 1: and it's much like you sit in a council of twelve. 778 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,640 Speaker 1: Your spirit guide and angels are also present. God will 779 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 1: make a appearance, usually in some form. You actually watch 780 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 1: your past life, almost like you're watching a movie. When 781 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:34,479 Speaker 1: you do something that hurts someone, you experience the pain 782 00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:39,640 Speaker 1: that they felt, the sorrow. So if you're someone who 783 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,680 Speaker 1: committed suicide, you're going to see your family members who 784 00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,640 Speaker 1: are sad, or your family members that are angry, or 785 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:52,600 Speaker 1: your children who no longer have a father and have 786 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,160 Speaker 1: had to change the way they go to school, can't 787 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,360 Speaker 1: get the same clothes, moved out of a house because 788 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: they lost their house. You will experience those things so 789 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,120 Speaker 1: that you understand what happens. And again people say, well 790 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,680 Speaker 1: I don't remember those things. Well. From a scientific point 791 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,400 Speaker 1: of view, in the subconscious, we actually do record all 792 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,359 Speaker 1: positive and negative experiences while we're living. That's the same 793 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,319 Speaker 1: thing we access when we do past life regression or meditation. 794 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,239 Speaker 1: And it's just like this, when you touch something and 795 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,479 Speaker 1: it's hot, it burns you and you pull back. Next 796 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,960 Speaker 1: time you touch something hot, you pull back faster. Your 797 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:37,399 Speaker 1: past life memories also in that same place, so your 798 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,160 Speaker 1: past life memories will say, I have to avoid that. 799 00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,120 Speaker 1: I can't kill myself. I shouldn't put myself in that position. 800 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,560 Speaker 1: And if that isn't enough, you have a little voice 801 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,160 Speaker 1: in your head that your spirit guide who says, don't 802 00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,120 Speaker 1: steal the piece of candy when you're ten years old. Now, 803 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,440 Speaker 1: the Council twelve, the life review, these are things that 804 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,360 Speaker 1: we do hear a lot about. But I'm curious about 805 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: that other in between the before you go before the consults, well, 806 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:11,160 Speaker 1: before you go into your mother's belly. What is that like, Carla, 807 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,239 Speaker 1: do you recall that, Um? I don't. I cannot like 808 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,680 Speaker 1: Dave does it? I actually one time did go to counsel. 809 00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,440 Speaker 1: I was able to um experience that. But I can 810 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,960 Speaker 1: tell you what Isabella has told us and that we've 811 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:30,400 Speaker 1: written in the manual. We actually wait on plane two 812 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,600 Speaker 1: and we refer to that as our pod. And the 813 00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,479 Speaker 1: reason we refer to it as a pod is that 814 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:42,840 Speaker 1: it's a shape. I'm sorry, Is it like a soul group? Well, 815 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:48,719 Speaker 1: you have um a group of pod sisters or brothers. Um, 816 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:54,560 Speaker 1: actually three souls and one spirit guide. Those are They're 817 00:53:54,600 --> 00:54:00,200 Speaker 1: all very similar in nature, personality, sometimes in looks, but 818 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:05,440 Speaker 1: your sole family is actually UM includes many of the 819 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,160 Speaker 1: pods that are closest to each other. For example, Dave's 820 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,000 Speaker 1: and my pods are next to each other. So for 821 00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:14,440 Speaker 1: us to have twenty nine past lives together is not 822 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,920 Speaker 1: unusual because we're part of the same soul group. So 823 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,920 Speaker 1: we come back over and over and over again. The 824 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,879 Speaker 1: beautiful thing, you know. I hate to say, we're at 825 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,440 Speaker 1: like the twenty two mark. How can people get ahold 826 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 1: of you in your books? UM? They can go to 827 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,200 Speaker 1: our website which is the Gift of Past Lives dot com. UM. 828 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,000 Speaker 1: Certainly the books are available on Amazon, Barnes and Noble 829 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,840 Speaker 1: and all the other outlets that you could look for. Wonderful. 830 00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,719 Speaker 1: I want to thank you so much for coming on 831 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:45,040 Speaker 1: the show. This was really insightful. Thank you, Thanks Heidi. 832 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,120 Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Heidi. It's been a pleasure. Wow. So 833 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,040 Speaker 1: we've come to the bottom of another really interesting topic. 834 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,600 Speaker 1: It's always fascinating to me how people come to their 835 00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,480 Speaker 1: conclusions and own it against all odds, when a lot 836 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:04,879 Speaker 1: of people can be truly harsh against them. We all 837 00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,920 Speaker 1: have our opinions, we all have our own conclusions. It's 838 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:12,759 Speaker 1: very subjective learning about this world and the next. And uh, 839 00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:15,920 Speaker 1: you know there's been enough wars fought over these things. 840 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,560 Speaker 1: But whatever it is you know to be true for yourself, 841 00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,640 Speaker 1: own it, go for it all right. Be sure to 842 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,279 Speaker 1: visit Heidi Hollis dot com. You have been listening to 843 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me, Heidi Hollis on the Heart 844 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and 845 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:37,239 Speaker 1: we will catch you next time. Stay safe, be blessed, 846 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:52,600 Speaker 1: and goodbye. Twick. Well, if you liked this edition of 847 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,439 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light, wait til you hear the next one. 848 00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,320 Speaker 1: You've been listening to the I Heart Radio and Coast 849 00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,080 Speaker 1: Coast a M Paranormal Podcast Network