1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: with i R Radio. Just sinya, thanks for joining us today. 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. I was looking forward to this, 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: are you? I would imagine at this point you have 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: probably been bombarded with questions. You're probably doing the rounds 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: or has this been like at all fun for you 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: or you over it? Um? I think in the beginning 8 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 1: it was definitely fun. I think when you go through 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: a really unique experience, you kind of look forward to 10 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: everyone else experiencing that as well, you know, in terms 11 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: of the viewers, and of course when you're away filming 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: for so long, you are ready to kind of see 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: the final package, you know. But I think obviously after 14 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: the last episode, um, there was a lot going on, 15 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: and I think it was really difficult to kind of 16 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: relive it and to now have to talk about it again, 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: um and do a little recap. I think that's definitely 18 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: the most bookle part was this. I mean, we're going 19 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: to dive into the details a little bit. Um. I 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: know you've been asked a plethora of questions. I really 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 1: just want to know more of how you wake, where 22 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: you were at and all this this all after watching 23 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: it back, Has it all gone how you hoped it would? Um? 24 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 1: Was this at all what you're expecting at a paradise? Um? 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: And in some ways yes, but in most ways now 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: I knew going into Paradise I would have fun, you know. 27 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: I knew that I would probably see friends there. I 28 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: would obviously have the opportunity to find love that kind 29 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: of thing. Those are all things that I was definitely 30 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: looking forward to, and I think that in a lot 31 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: of ways I got to experience. Um. But then, of course, 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: like how it all pans out, it's not something that 33 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: you expect, like you do have high hopes for this experience. UM, 34 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: So for it to not work out the way I 35 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: would have hoped it would, um, at least up to 36 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: where we're at right now, obviously it's disappointing. Yeah. I 37 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: bet well, if I'm if I have read up right 38 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: with you? You were a Bachelor fan, um going into 39 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: your time on the show, you know, is that true? No? 40 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: So I had only watched Peter season. UM as soon 41 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: as we like Pandemic started and it's kind of what 42 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: a show was, what show was on, And I remember 43 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: just like, Okay, my friends for years have been obsessed 44 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: with this show. We're on lockdown. I need something to watch. 45 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: So I watched Peter season and that was my first introduction, 46 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: um into the Bachelor. Okay, well then did your friends 47 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: sign you up then for this or did you know? Okay, 48 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: it's funny because I remember it was like I got 49 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: lucky during the pandemic. I did lose my job, which 50 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: obviously was a huge hit too. Just who I am 51 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 1: as a person, I put a place a lot of 52 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: value into what I'm doing with my life, especially with work. 53 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: So I was having a hard time, but I got 54 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: lucky and got a job like two weeks later. And 55 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: I remember leading up to my start date, I was 56 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: just like so in my head about what I've got 57 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: going on in my life, and I figured, you know what, 58 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: why do I just sign up for The Bachelor. Let's 59 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: see if it goes anywhere. So I personally wasn't expecting 60 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: it to go anywhere because I knew they choose from 61 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: literally hundreds of thousands of women, so I wasn't expecting much, um, 62 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: but that was really kind of what what started it. 63 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: Or I can speak for all of us to say, 64 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: we're glad that you got chosen, We're happy that you're there. 65 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: So so you ended up on the show. I think 66 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: that's a great reason to go on, just to shake 67 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: life up a bit, you know. That's why I did it, 68 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: just to see if if it can add a cool 69 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: new story, if it can happen to work. If it 70 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: doesn't work, maybe it just gets you the little push 71 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: forward that you need. And So then after your time 72 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: on on The Bachelor, were you expecting to get the 73 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: call from Paradise or was that surprising? Um? I want 74 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: to say it was a little surprising, only because they 75 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: had a year off from Paradise. That meant that they 76 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: had quite a lot of people to choose from from 77 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: not only Peter season, but also Matt's and of course 78 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: Katie's was just coming up. Um, so there was a 79 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: lot going on, and then of course Teacher and Claire 80 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: of it all. Like, there was a lot. So I 81 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: was like, well, if it's going to happen, it'll happen. 82 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: If it doesn't, it's fine. Like I still had this 83 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: unique experience with the Bachelor, like you know, so I wasn't. 84 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: I didn't have my heart quite set on it, but 85 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: I knew that if I were to go, it would 86 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: have been a fun experience, and regardless of it, I 87 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: was looking forward to it, or I would have been 88 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: excited for my friends. I always had this with me personally. 89 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: I was that this weird like desire to be in Paradise. 90 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know if I would do it well, but 91 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: I just I when I watched it, I'm like, this 92 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: looks like a ton of fun, especially if my buddies 93 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: are there. Oh definitely. I would have to say. That's 94 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: kind of what was my thought process leading up to it, 95 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 1: because once the phone calls started happening, that's when I 96 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: really had to get into this mindset of Okay, hypothetically, 97 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: if I go, you know, what could happen? What would 98 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: be the experience be like? And I was always told 99 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: it's far more relaxed than the Bachelor of the Bachelorette, 100 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: not as uptight. I guess I always consider like backed 101 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: Bachelor and La is a little more black tie versus 102 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: you know, paradise through out on vacation with your brands, 103 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: you know. So I liked that angle to it, and 104 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: I did want to be in a more relaxed setting 105 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: because the Bachelor was just nerves on high at all times. 106 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: So I was looking forward to that potentially. Okay, so 107 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: you end up getting the call for Paradise, You show 108 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: up to Paradise. Is there anybody? I'm assuming then you 109 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: don't really know who is going to be coming down 110 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: the series. You have ideas maybe, but you don't know 111 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: exactly who's gonna be coming down, right right, So we 112 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: have ideas. I think the thing with this industry is 113 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: that a lot of things happened last minute, Like nothing's 114 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: locked in until you have literally a flight, for example, 115 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: to go. So, um, we could have our ideas if 116 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: you could be going that kind of thing, even theories 117 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: were floating around and who could be going that kind 118 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: of situation, But you really never know who's there until 119 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: their feet hit the beach. And I think we all 120 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: know we go through a quarantine process that kind of thing, 121 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 1: and some people didn't even show up to the beach 122 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: because things just didn't pay out that way. So you 123 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: really never know who's actually showing out. So then how 124 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: do you, uh, I'm so far removed now, I don't know. 125 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: People don't add the engaged dude onto these text threads 126 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: much anymore, but like, how are these informations? Like how 127 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: is this information being passed? Along. Are you guys texting like, Oh, 128 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,799 Speaker 1: I think they're coming. Oh I've kind of got called because, 129 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: like you said, I even knew when I was a 130 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: bachelor that some like women are going to be there 131 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: that never showed up because they were like reserves. They 132 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: showed up to the like to the hotel, but they 133 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,720 Speaker 1: never came to the mansion. So even if somebody's like 134 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: I got my flight to Mexico, they could go to 135 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: Mexico quarantine and then never show up to the beach. 136 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: So how is this information being passed along? Well, I 137 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 1: mean you also know that when we're when we arrived, 138 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 1: our phones are taken, so there's no form of communication 139 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: for any of us as soon as we arrived there. 140 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: So whether some of us said yeah, we're going or not, 141 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean we're going to see them, you know. Yeah. Yeah, 142 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: it's just interesting because I mean I think that brings 143 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: like a perspective when you watch the show back and 144 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: people are you know, mean, this season has been full 145 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: of the oh, they were waiting for this person or 146 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: they were waiting for this person. The truth is you 147 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: don't fully know they're going to be there, Like you 148 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: just can't guarantee it, so you can wait, you can 149 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: play along, but you don't know, So okay, who were 150 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: you hoping though to see walk down those stairs? Um? 151 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: At the beach. I had an idea of some people 152 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: that I wanted to meet based off of impressions, whether 153 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: it was from what I had seen on the show 154 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: or some for example Chris, who had seen in person 155 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: at one point during like a group setting. So I 156 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: remember thinking, okay, well, hypothetically, if some of these people 157 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: were to go, of course I would be open to 158 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,559 Speaker 1: getting to know them. Now, the way a Plant panned 159 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: out for me was Ivan being someone who was interested 160 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: interested in seeing was there from day one along as 161 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: as as I was. So it's very easy for us 162 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: to kind of like link together and get to know 163 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: each other and spend time together and kind of be 164 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: um I guess, like a couple um at the beginning 165 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: of Paradise. But as we know, every week more people join. 166 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: Every other week it's women, every other week it's men. 167 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: So it's really at that point that's when it's wild 168 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: cards essentially, so you don't know who's really showing up 169 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: or who would even be open to meeting. For me personally, 170 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: I always say this whether it was Chris or not. 171 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: If someone expressed interest in me, and based off the 172 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: conversation I had with them, I would be interested in 173 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: getting to know them more. If they asked me on 174 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: the day, I would have gone on the date, you know. 175 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: So I don't think I think a lot of people 176 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: had this misconception that that, oh, like she was waiting 177 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: for Ivan, and it's like, well, I, first of all, 178 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: I don't wait for anybody. Second of all, it's like, 179 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: how was I ever going to know who was going 180 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: to show up on the beach if I didn't know 181 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: if they were there a hundred percent or not, or 182 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: if they were even going to show up even if 183 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: they were there. So the way I approached it was 184 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: any guy who's open to getting to know me and 185 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: their first impression was a good one for me, then 186 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: of course I'd be open to getting to know them. 187 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: And I was just an open book about that the 188 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: whole time. Who It didn't really matter who it was. 189 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: So I mean, so you're just excited to meet anybody, 190 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: Like it was like, Hey, I'm just if somebody walks 191 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: down the stairs and they're into it, like I'm at 192 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 1: least gonna explore it. Does that get awkward? Um to 193 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: Like okay, you know for your situation, like you're talking 194 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: to Ivan and like it's very very casual. You're just 195 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: gonna know, right, you guys are just hanging out and 196 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: but like there's interest, like you're you're flirting, and then 197 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: somebody comes down they're like, hey, I want to take 198 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: it on a date. And Ivan's like probably sitting beside 199 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: you at this point, like is it get weird? Like 200 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: how do you in your mind? What do you like, 201 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: how do you even get like in your mind? What's 202 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: going Like what's going through your head as that happens? Um? 203 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing that goes through my head 204 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 1: is not wanting to hurt the other person's feelings because 205 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: I think if there's one thing that's so important about 206 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: Paradise or just in life in general, let's be real, 207 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,959 Speaker 1: is to have open communication with those that you're closest to. So, 208 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 1: I mean I had already talked about the possibility of 209 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: me or him being asked out on a date while 210 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: we were in Paradise, and we had already kind of 211 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: like established a what if situation, So of like me 212 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: being asked on a date by Chris like he kind 213 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: of already knew that, yeah, she's going to go on 214 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: that date. But so there wasn't really like any type 215 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: of hard feelings. There was always a clear line that 216 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: we had between us, um, and so. But that doesn't 217 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: take away that I felt bad about it. You know, 218 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: I really liked Ivan, and it is hurt bole when 219 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: there's people who are like, oh, well, you know, you 220 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: dumped him so quickly and this and that, And it's 221 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: like I had to sit down heart to heart with 222 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: him prior to going on a date as well as after, 223 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: because obviously the point of going on these dates it's 224 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: figuring out, you know, where the connections might be stronger. 225 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: And when I arrived, I sat down with Ivan and 226 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: I had that conversation with him. Um. So yeah, it's 227 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: a it's a very difficult thing to navigate, and I 228 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: think even if you tread as lightly as possible, someone's 229 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: feelings are still going to get hurt. Hey, guys, it's 230 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: Jannet Kramer that I Heart Radio Music Festival is back. 231 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: Join us for the official I Heart Radio Music Festival 232 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: pre show podcast hosted by me Jane Kramer. It's going 233 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: to be a blast and we will have all your 234 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 1: favorite celebrities and artists joining such as Chrissy Mets, Debbie Gibson, 235 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: Joey McIntyre, Donny Osmonde, Degrees, Teddy Mellencamp, and so many more. 236 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 1: Get your tickets today at on location live dot com. 237 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 1: Let's get lucky. You know you're out of the I'm 238 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: just interested. You're out of the franchise for a bit, 239 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: and now you're back in it, and no matter what, 240 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,119 Speaker 1: you're gonna get your people who have very strong opinions 241 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: about things that you've done. How is how is that 242 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: affecting you? Now that you've kind of been seasoned, You've 243 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: had it, you've gone on the show, You've had like 244 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: a year to kind of like mentally rebuild and kind 245 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: of get some like grit and some calouses to some 246 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: of the things people say. Now you're back on Paradise, 247 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: people have opinions about you. How are you doing with that? 248 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: I think the first round, I will say I definitely 249 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,839 Speaker 1: struggled with it because obviously who I am as a 250 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: person is very private, So this was totally out of 251 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: my comfort zone. But it was something that I was 252 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: willing to explore. Just to one Fine Love and two 253 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: to put myself out there kind of like get myself 254 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: out outside of my comfort zone as many of us have, 255 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: you know, the same goal for ourselves. Um, And I 256 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: knew going into Paradise it would be the same scenario 257 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: all over again. Uh So it did take me a 258 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: while to decide for sure if I was going. I 259 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: had gotten the phone call, but it was still something 260 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: that I felt that, you know, I need a few 261 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: more days to let it marinate before I decide. Um, 262 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: because I you know, on TV, your feelings, your emotions 263 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: are like on full display, and that's what's so difficult 264 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: about navigating this franchise or just TV in general. I 265 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: guess when there's an audience, their opinions are always going 266 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: to trump whatever actually happened. I feel people are going 267 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: to proceed things differently, things are going to be misconstrued, 268 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: or that there's gonna be miscommunication, that kind of thing. 269 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: So that was something that I was the most concerned about. 270 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: Because you only get to see very small fractions of 271 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: what's going on, and it's all pieced together. There are 272 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: a lot of other things that people don't get to see. 273 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: So for example, in my case, people swore up and 274 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: down that I didn't talk to Ivan before I wanted 275 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: the date. We did talk um. And then obviously, when 276 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: things are pieced together to push a story forward, people 277 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: are are only gonna make up little theories to fill 278 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: in those empty spots. And I think that's essentially what's 279 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: plugged to me the most now is people's theories that 280 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: are just so far off base. Yeah, it's interesting over 281 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 1: the years, you know, it's been five years from me, 282 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 1: but over the years, I've Yeah, those things affect you though, 283 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: because you feel like people are creating a narrative that's 284 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: that's not true. Um, well, obviously I want to ask 285 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: one more question about your experience, and then you're off 286 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: the hot seat and I want to ask you some 287 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: things going on in Parodi said you can help break 288 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,359 Speaker 1: down with me. But we had a Connor beyond Um 289 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 1: just a few weeks ago, and he mentioned that he 290 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 1: wrote a song for you. Um, yeah, that's true. Then 291 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: you've heard, Um what was this song about? Like, can 292 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: you explain it to me? And then I also like, 293 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: how did that make you feel? So he and I 294 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: bonded over murder podcasts. That's why this song is called 295 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: like perfect murder Um. And honestly, I have to just 296 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: commend him just as who he is as a person 297 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: is someone who's very creative. He expresses himself in a 298 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: really unique way. Um, and he's incredibly talented, and it 299 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: showed through his various songs. But that one, in particular, 300 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: one I've never had someone write me a song before 301 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: and too for it to hit so so beautifully. I 302 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: mean I really I peered up even when he sang 303 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: it to me, So it's like, okay, wow, this guy 304 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: is is something special. Um. But that in itself was 305 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: like sut a unique experience because I never anticipated that 306 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: happening obviously going into Paradise, but I very much appreciate it. 307 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: Was it romantic at all? Like, was there any romantic 308 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: connection there? There was, um, some romantic connection there. Um. 309 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: He had expressed a few times, you know, that he 310 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: felt some type of way about me, And I mean 311 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: I liked him too. I thought he was great as well. 312 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: But I had obviously so much going on, like with 313 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: Ivan and even you know, if anything, I was actually 314 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: trying so hard to avoid love trying. I mean that's true, 315 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: But okay, I did I lied to you. I said, 316 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: you're off the hot seat. I'm gonna ask you one 317 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: more question, if you could without the whole like I 318 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: don't have regrets in life thing because I think that's fine, 319 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: that's great. But if you could like redo paradise and 320 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: like re go about this thing, would there be any 321 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: news like would you have said yes any dates or 322 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: no to any dates? Like if it would condor have 323 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: been more than like your consideration, Like what would you 324 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: have done different to make this work so that you 325 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: could have avoided that love triangle that you couldn't have avoided. 326 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: It just seems to happen without you do anything about it, 327 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: right right? So, um, I think there are two things 328 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: I probably would have done differently. I think that I 329 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: probably would have with Ivan, and I I think it 330 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: was still early on for me to feel like, Okay, 331 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: I'm totally locked in, you know, but I sometimes do 332 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: wonder what if I gave us like another week, What 333 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: if I gave it a few more days for us 334 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: to really figure it out, spend more time with him, 335 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So that's one scenario. Second scenario 336 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: would be Connor is the kind of person, is the 337 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: kind of guy that I've never dated before. So I 338 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: feel like if I had given him more of an opportunity, 339 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: then perhaps I would have seen other sides to him 340 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: kind of unfold. That's kind of that kind of thing. 341 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't think there was 342 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: that much time for us to figure it out because 343 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: he sang the song to me at the night of 344 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: a Rose ceremony, so it was hard to navigate that 345 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, that's interesting. Well, I really appreciate your 346 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: your honesty here, and it's it has been uh enjoyable 347 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: watching your journey and watching Paradise Um this season, we'ven 348 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 1: we've really liked it. And as I'm laid up here 349 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: in the chair, it's about all I have to look 350 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: forward to these days. Um. But all right, So a 351 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: couple of questions, not about you as much, but you 352 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: were there, so we want your expert opinion. Uh, you 353 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: and Natasha, as you just mentioned, we're both in like 354 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: love triangles. I don't think either of you don't necessarily 355 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: wanted to be in a love triangle. It wasn't something 356 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: that you found enjoyable, but you both found yourself there. Um. 357 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: The Brendan and Piper one is all the talk right now. 358 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: Everybody has really strong opinions about it. Um, how did 359 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: you as your Imparadise, How do you think they handled 360 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: that situation, how Brennan and Piper handles it or just yeah, 361 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: Brendan Piper. So here's the thing is, we are obviously 362 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: there was talks of them even prior to Paradise, and 363 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: I always knew this is going to definitely play out 364 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: in Paradise, like there's just no avoiding it, you know. 365 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: And I remember at that time there was talks that 366 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: Piper said she was Like Natasha mentioned recently that Piper 367 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: said she wasn't going because she apparently couldn't get off work. 368 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 1: Yet she's walking down the steps to the beach. So 369 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: it's interesting. But I think that you know, if obviously, 370 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: based off of what we've seen played out, those intimate 371 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: conversations that Brendan and Piper had were not conversations that 372 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: anyone on that beach was aware of. Brendan was telling 373 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,159 Speaker 1: Natasha one thing, we were observing another thing, like we 374 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: kind of could see okay, like oh wow, like they 375 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: finally had their first kiss after being there for as 376 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: long as they were, So we're thinking, oh, maybe they 377 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,479 Speaker 1: are progressing just a lot slower than others, and that's okay, 378 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: people go at their own pace, But then to see 379 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: the conversations that Brendan and Piper were having, it's like 380 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: I was so taken aback by the things that they 381 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: were saying. It's almost like, you know, it's taboo to 382 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: talk about followers. Why do you think it makes sense 383 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: to have that conversation on Mike And you know that 384 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: even if cameras aren't pointed at you, there are cameras installed. 385 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: So I was very surprised that that wasn't even a 386 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: thought going across their minds in that moment, which is 387 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: why to me it appears as if those they are 388 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: so and I don't want to say this in a 389 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: way to shade them in any way, but it's like 390 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: that lack of self awareness in that moment was very apparent. 391 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: But what I did not particularly like was that it 392 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: was at Natasha's expense, who as I got to know, 393 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: I had met her for the first time in Paradise. 394 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: I really was liking her. I liked having conversations with her. 395 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 1: I loved how she was in a group setting. She's 396 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: really funny, great energy. I didn't appreciate that because they 397 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 1: were talking down about someone who I personally, you know, 398 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: would speak highly of is as I am now. So 399 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't fun to see that play out, and it 400 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: definitely made it very clear that they were playing with 401 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: her feelings and that's obviously something that should never be 402 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: okay in any situation, And which is why I think 403 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: the separation between what happened with me Chris and Atlanta 404 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: and her Brendan and Piper is at least Chris and 405 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: Atlanta weren't talking crap about me behind my back, you 406 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like that's the biggest difference is 407 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: at least they didn't They at least held me up 408 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: to that much of amount of respect where they didn't 409 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: have anything bad to say about me, versus Brendan and 410 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: Piper shouldn't have had anything bad to say about Natasha. 411 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: The only reason why she was annoying to them was 412 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: because she was trying to get down to the truth 413 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: of what was going on, and she had a right to. 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There is more information 424 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: coming soon. That's l O O p E d live 425 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: dot com. The Drama Queens are coming to you live 426 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: from the iconic Beverly Hilton Hotel. That's looped live dot 427 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: com for tickets. I mean, I'm assuming a lot of 428 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: this is like new to you. When you're on the beach, 429 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: you don't know. I mean, like you said, these are 430 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: private conversations, like you didn't know all this was happening. 431 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: So as you watch this back, you are I mean, 432 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: everybody already had very strong opinions probably at the beach 433 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: about Brendan and Piper. We saw the confrontation and we 434 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: kind of saw those things happening. But now that you 435 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: watch it back, do you feel like even more validating 436 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: those Is it shocking to you? Is it like, like 437 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: does it make you angry? How do you feel about it. 438 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's shocking because I don't think anything like 439 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: this has happened before, and not not that I can 440 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 1: recall anyway. Um, but it's also shocking because you would 441 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: think that in the situation, an environment where people are emotional, 442 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: people are supposed to be, you know, wearing their hearts 443 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: on their sleeves, you would think that people would be 444 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: more sensitive to that, that people would be gracious towards 445 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: those who they are directly affecting. And I don't believe 446 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: that Brendan R. Piper were that way towards Natasha. Yeah, 447 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: fires you up. Makes my just there's so much about 448 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: this show that just brings out aside of me. I 449 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: don't like um, but we did see you know. Yeah, 450 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: it's so wild. I watched him just like you can't 451 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: be doing this well, uh. Just in your final question 452 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: for you is so as you both like you and 453 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: Natasha both uh had a similar like thing happening in Paradise, 454 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: did you lean on each other for support at all 455 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: or did you have support from people around you? Did 456 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: did you feel like on the beach? I think obviously 457 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,959 Speaker 1: what we saw is essentially the whole beach kind of 458 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: like rallying behind me, which if I'm honest, I I 459 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: don't know if I anticipated that I knew that I 460 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: could rely on them if I wanted to sit and chat, 461 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: or if I wanted to just like vent that kind 462 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: of thing. Um. But to be quite frank, I think 463 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: that the whole situation, especially the one with Chris for example, Um, 464 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: everyone kind of thinks that, oh, the only reason why 465 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: they went after Chris or whatever is because of this 466 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: one thing that happened at the party, which yes, even 467 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: Chris has apologized to me, and he admits that it 468 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: was messed up, but he could have handled it better. Um, 469 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: that wasn't the only reason. I think, I would say 470 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: there was a bit of a laundry list of other 471 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,679 Speaker 1: reasons why the guys felt some type of way about Chris. 472 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: It wasn't something directly affecting directly to do with me. 473 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: It was just kind of like a culmination of random 474 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: instances that they felt a little put off by. Um, 475 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: so that that altercation was honestly was supposed to be 476 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: a conversation turned a little bit into something else. But um, 477 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 1: that was something that we had discussed there as well, 478 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: but that you know, wasn't aired. But I think that 479 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: for me, the way I see it is the whole 480 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: Chris and Atlanta's situation didn't have to go as far 481 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: as it did I feel. I think that there was 482 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: a lot of miscommunication, but most importantly, there was just 483 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: a lack of awareness in the sense that had Chris 484 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: approached me at the party rather than avoided me the 485 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: whole night, had he said listen, because I remember in 486 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,959 Speaker 1: the episode he literally says the moment he saw Alanna, 487 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: he felt some type of way. If that's the case, 488 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: that's the moment where you pull me aside and you say, hey, 489 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 1: I feel like this, this is what I'm thinking. I'm 490 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: going to talk to her and I'm going to see 491 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: if that's anything. Fine, That's okay, because at least I 492 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: knew that he was holding my feelings in high regard 493 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: and felt that he needed to handle things a certain 494 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: way to make sure that I at least was aware 495 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: of it, versus of avoiding me the entire night. After 496 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: we talked to Atlanta, and I was the one who 497 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: had to go towards him and talk to him. But 498 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: it was frustrating because it's not like we could be 499 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: anywhere quiet and private. We could have that intimate conversation 500 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: and close that chapter. Instead, it was around other people. 501 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 1: It was a lot of music playing. It was hard 502 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: to navigate that, and I think that's ultimately what kind 503 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: of hurt me the most. Yeah, I could imagine that 504 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: was a tough thing to watch. Now I get an idea. 505 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: But what was it like? So you said there's a 506 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 1: few things like a laundry list of things that the 507 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: guys were upset about. Do you mind sharing any of those, 508 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: Like what kind of behaviors were they? Were they like 509 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: frustrated with um? I think there was there was a 510 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: point where um Ivan had mentioned how he, you know, 511 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: Christma discussed a lot about social media and such and listen, 512 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be completely honest with you. I think that 513 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,159 Speaker 1: social media is a given. Um we're on a public 514 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: platform at this point. Followers is something that's found to happen, 515 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: but it's kind of like a you know, that's not 516 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: something you talk about much less on camera when you're miked. UM. 517 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: So obviously those are things the conversations that the guys 518 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: were having with with Chris. I wouldn't know all of 519 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: the details for that, so I can't speak on it 520 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: too much. Um, but I think it's just like that 521 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: and a few other things that I think because it 522 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 1: was an air, it's not something that I can really 523 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: dive into fair enough, fair enough, It's always worth asking, 524 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: It's always interesting, There's always stuff happening behind the scenes. Uh. 525 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: Social media seems to be a common topic these days 526 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: when it comes to Paradise UM. Are you and Chris uh? Like, 527 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: have you spoken? Are you guys good? I haven't spoken 528 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,439 Speaker 1: to Chris. Um. He did reach out to me a 529 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: little after Paradise Um, once we're all home and needed 530 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: to apologize. He did admit that he, you know, could 531 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: have handled it better, which I appreciated, and you know, 532 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: I let him know, like I honestly, I don't want 533 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: to hold any resentment towards you. Like it's fine. I 534 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: appreciate you reaching out that kind of things. Um and 535 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: Atlanta even had reached out to me, although I personally, 536 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciated her apologizing to me, but I 537 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: remember after the fact feeling like I didn't think she 538 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: actually owed me one only because towards the end of it, 539 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: I was starting to question if she really had any 540 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: idea of what was going on. You know, it felt 541 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: so like she had literally just arrived and left, Like 542 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't like she was there long enough to really 543 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: know what was happening. Um, So part of me just 544 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: feel like perhaps she didn't have much to do with anything. 545 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: But obviously, I mean, I I don't know what their 546 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: conversations are, like, I can't just like assume. But I 547 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: actually did reach out to her recently just to say, 548 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: you know, obviously, when you play, when you watch something 549 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: play out, when conversations are emotionally charged, things are bound 550 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: to go a little off the walls. And so I 551 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: remember watching back and seeing how I had complete he 552 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: cut her off and disregarded her. And I was honestly 553 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: very embarrassed by that because I was so focused on 554 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: how I was feeling that in that moment, I just 555 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: disregarded what she had to say, and it didn't feel 556 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: like she had anything else to add because what was 557 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: done was done, you know. But I do feel I 558 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: did feel like I think a lot of things could 559 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: have been avoided had I let her speak to perhaps 560 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: hear her side and see if maybe there was some 561 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 1: kind of missing piece that none of us, you know, 562 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: could find. Um. So I did reach out to her 563 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: and apologize to her for that and so, but yeah, 564 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: I think, all in all, like I, it was a 565 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: sticky situation and I think certain things could have played 566 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: out differently. I also I am aware of certain people, 567 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: not anything to do with Chris, myself or Atlanta, are 568 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 1: people that I personally don't think that I really want 569 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,239 Speaker 1: to be associated with anymore because I think they were 570 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: part of what kind of fueled the fire a bit. Yeah. Well, 571 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,240 Speaker 1: I hope personally, UM, that you can find a way 572 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 1: to enjoy the last, you know, a few moments of 573 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: of having these conversations. It was a pleasure to watch 574 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: you on television. It's a pleasure to have you here 575 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: with us. Thanks for for chatting for a bit, for 576 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: hanging out um and uh and I'm gonna speak for 577 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: Ashley here, who is on a flight right now, so 578 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: not but yeah, big big fans of you, uh and 579 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: watching your experience. So thanks for coming to Almost Famous podcast. 580 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: We all appreciate it. Awesome. 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