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Speaker 1: It's some good overtime music. Welcome in to ot here

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Speaker 1: on Colts dot Com and the Colts Audio Network. We're

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Speaker 1: inside the Indiana Union Construction Industry radio studio. Matt Taylor here,

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Speaker 1: Lara Overton, J J. Stangovitz. We're recapping the first week

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Speaker 1: of NFL free agency for the Indianapolis Colts. We're talking

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Speaker 1: to you about noon Eastern time on Friday. Obviously, free

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Speaker 1: agency is ongoing. So if things change or news breaks,

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Speaker 1: now you know why if we're a little bit late

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Speaker 1: on things. Happy Saint Patrick's Day. By the way, how

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Speaker 1: are we doing this? Is it's Saint Patrick's Day yet

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Speaker 1: I'm wearing my three one seven T shirt available in

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Speaker 1: the Colts Pro Shop. Lara Lara is wearing red on

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Speaker 1: Saint Patrick's Day. Yeah kiss, I brought both Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: you and the NCAA Tournament, superc everything Saint Patrick's Day.

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Speaker 1: Oh look at you. You're covering all your basess game.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what the tim pure the studio. By

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Speaker 1: the way, it's always fluctuating. Yeah, so I brought long sleeve,

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Speaker 1: short sleeve and hoodie. You're ready for all situations like

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Speaker 1: a true Hoosier. I am not Irish. I am very

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Speaker 1: much a hoosier, so I'm just leaning into do you

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Speaker 1: like Saint Patrick's Day as a holiday? It's fine? Like

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Speaker 1: I'm wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, you

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Speaker 1: don't think anything is fine? Well come on, you are

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Speaker 1: you are the most opinionated person I know. So comes

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Speaker 1: like a compliment. Come top rope on on Saint Patty's Day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it's you have to have a take.

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Speaker 1: Um I feel is this the time for that? Is

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Speaker 1: don't know, but I guess with the last name. I

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Speaker 1: guess last name stang of it's JJ. You're not a

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Speaker 1: big Saint Patty's guy, Yeah, but I went on I

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Speaker 1: the country. So big Saint Patty's guy now, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: fair enough? All right. Well mean I'm all for everyone

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make a big ordeal out of it.

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Speaker 1: If you're a big Saint Patty's Day person, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: all four it. Yeah, so high fives and go out

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Speaker 1: and you know you kiss the blarney stone the mistletoe.

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Speaker 1: We're confusing something here. I know, I know your Lara's

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Speaker 1: gonna get pinch steak because she's wearing who's your red

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Speaker 1: on Saint Patrick's Day? That's all right, hinch me. I

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Speaker 1: will plan Notre Dame, Notre Dame not in action this

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Speaker 1: afternoon in the Ncuba tournament. All right, let's get let's

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Speaker 1: get to it rapid fire on free agency. A lot

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Speaker 1: to cover here. Let's start first with quarterback, right we

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Speaker 1: always hear the quarterback is the most important position in

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Speaker 1: all of football. The Colts have now agreed to terms.

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Speaker 1: It was it was officialize a couple of minutes ago

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Speaker 1: before we hit the record button on this podcast. Gardner

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Speaker 1: Minshew in the fold spent the last two years Lara

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Speaker 1: with the Eagles, with Shane steik In backing up Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 1: He's made twenty four career starts in the NFL, twenty

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Speaker 1: with the Jacksonville Jaguars. Gardner, as we know a couple

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Speaker 1: of wins against the Indianapolis Colts. What do you make

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Speaker 1: they're headed with the quarterback position. The rest of this officer.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a very safe move because you have

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Speaker 1: Shane is going to be building here, and it's not

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Speaker 1: bouncing around a little bit. Also, Tavan Brian Reportedly nothing

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Speaker 1: he frees up about nine point nine million in space

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Speaker 1: be among your top ten most valuable weapons. I mean,

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Speaker 1: all of these games in the AFC come down to

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Speaker 1: the wire, they come down in the last four minutes,

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Speaker 1: and seemingly they're all, you know, one possession games. I

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Speaker 1: think kicker's got to be one of your most most reliable,

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Speaker 1: one of those positions that you have to count on

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Speaker 1: the roads Tucker, right, Like all of these games come

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Speaker 1: down to huge flutch kick moments for sure. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't surprised when you kind of think about it

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Speaker 1: in those terms. We talked about Bobby o'karaka leaving the team,

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Speaker 1: good on him. He goes to the New York Giants

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Speaker 1: and Brandon facon is headed back to the Las Vegas Raiders,

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Speaker 1: no longer with Gus Bradley in the full, but he

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Speaker 1: does go back to a familiar situation. Both of you

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Speaker 1: went away in on Paris Campbell. How surprised were you

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Speaker 1: that that Paris left the tea? And then where does

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Speaker 1: this leave the Colts wide receiver Cord JJ as they

444
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Speaker 1: are down a big production unit key COG from last year? Anyways, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it, first of all, on a personal level,

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Speaker 1: It sucks to see Paris go because I mean, you

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Speaker 1: talk about a stand up dude in that locker room,

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Speaker 1: a guy who would always face the music after pretty

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Speaker 1: some pretty rough games this year, I would always answer

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Speaker 1: your questions honestly and insight. That was Paris Campbell. So

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Speaker 1: you know we're gonna miss him here on the media side,

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Speaker 1: and certainly as a player. I mean, you know a

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Speaker 1: guy he played nine hundred snaps last year for the

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Speaker 1: Colts on offense. That's a lot of snaps. Now you

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Speaker 1: have to fill in, but you have to take a

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Speaker 1: new account. It's a new coaching staff that may have

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Speaker 1: a new offensive scheme. That does have a new offensive scheme,

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Speaker 1: and does Paris Campbell fit that. I think you know,

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Speaker 1: if you look at him signing for the Giants for

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Speaker 1: a relatively low monetary figure, I think there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of inns built in. It probably tells you that

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Speaker 1: the Colts maybe didn't see as much of a role

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Speaker 1: for Paris in the offense this year as they did

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Speaker 1: last year. And that's okay. That's okay that you have

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Speaker 1: a new coaching staff in that's going to implement a

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Speaker 1: new offense and maybe you want something different out of

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Speaker 1: that third receiver, you know, outside of Pittman and Pierce.

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Speaker 1: So you know, happy for Paris that he got the

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Speaker 1: opportunity in New York. It's a good place to go

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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones, you know, some good Yak opportunities in

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Speaker 1: that Brian Dable offense there. And you know, again it

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Speaker 1: on a personal level, I hate to see him go,

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Speaker 1: but professionally happy for him and hope he does really

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Speaker 1: well in New York. Lair he had, I mean, just

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Speaker 1: from a factual standpoint, six quarterbacks, three offensive coordinators, two

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Speaker 1: head coaches, plus all the injuries, so I think we

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Speaker 1: were just scratching the surface on who and what Paris

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Speaker 1: Campbell could be. But yeah, like I agree with JJ,

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Speaker 1: it's tough to see him go because I thought he

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Speaker 1: was I was really happy for him on a personal level.

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Speaker 1: He played seventeen games last year and able to continue

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Speaker 1: his NFL journey, albeit not with the Cults. Y'all. I'm

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Speaker 1: just emerging from my darkness retreat that has been the

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Speaker 1: beginning of free agency and this trade period between no Electricity.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is their dark period, just between losing

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Speaker 1: Paris and Gilly and Bobby, who were really go to

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Speaker 1: guys for me from a reporting standpoint and interviews in

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Speaker 1: all of that, so I'm I'm coping with it. I'm

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Speaker 1: a mayor, you know. But for Paris, in talking with

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Speaker 1: him and having a conversation with him yesterday, this is

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Speaker 1: a really exciting opportunity for him. He was so proud

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Speaker 1: that he was able to put together a healthy season

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Speaker 1: last year. I think there is massive upside for New

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Speaker 1: York and the fact that he reunites with Mike Grow

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Speaker 1: I think is major his former wide receiver coach here

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Speaker 1: with Indianapolis. Mike Grow is fantastic and has great and

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Speaker 1: vestment and great belief and what Paris is able to do,

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Speaker 1: this is a really exciting opportunity for him. Truly one

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Speaker 1: of the best guys that there is and just really

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Speaker 1: you got to see so much of that last year,

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Speaker 1: what the cults saw when they drafted him, and I

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Speaker 1: do think that New York is going to be a

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Speaker 1: situation where they're able to maximize it because I think

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Speaker 1: some of the chatter of you know, Canny stay healthy

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Speaker 1: and all of that was squashed a bit because of

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Speaker 1: what he was able to do last season. I am

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Speaker 1: a little bit concerned though, with the youth of the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver room because Paris just brought so much wisdom

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Speaker 1: and so much experience, and there was so much that

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Speaker 1: he'd endured that he was able to help those young

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Speaker 1: guys along with. Now, really your veteran is Michael Pittman Jr.

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Speaker 1: And he has a lot of weight to carry on

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Speaker 1: his shoulders of being the voice, being the guy. He's

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Speaker 1: the dude in this room right now. Obviously Ashton Dolon

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Speaker 1: is a veteran too in there. But I do think

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Speaker 1: that this all goes on to hit. Previously it had

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Speaker 1: been kind of shared between pitt and Paris and they'd

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Speaker 1: been able to balance each other out in their different

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Speaker 1: leadership type of styles. This is Michael Pittman's room to rule. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Pittman Pierce dueling. Like you said, Mike Strown, We'll see

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Speaker 1: what else happens here in the off season at wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: whether that's undrafted free agency, free agency that's still ongoing

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Speaker 1: as we get ready to head into the second week

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Speaker 1: or the draft, and see if Shane Steiken and Chris

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Speaker 1: Ballard can bolster that offensive unit with more wide receiver depth.

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Speaker 1: Will close with this, you know, the Colts still have

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Speaker 1: some in house free agents, some names like we talked

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Speaker 1: about Unique and Goakway. Not sure you know what you

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Speaker 1: know his future is with the Abukum signing, like we

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Speaker 1: talked about j J Rodney McLeod, Matt pryor any other

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Speaker 1: names on the in house list that we should still

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Speaker 1: be talking about in terms of those guys having a

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Speaker 1: decently hot market going into the second week of free agency,

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Speaker 1: and well just in general role, once you get into

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Speaker 1: the second week of free agency, you're you're gonna see, um,

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Speaker 1: you know more, it's gonna go slower, Like guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna start taking visits and it's just gonna move at

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Speaker 1: a slower pace. And it did this week. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: you kind of hit all those you know, interested to

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Speaker 1: see what happens with Roddy McCloud junior, if the cults

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Speaker 1: are interested in bringing him back. He didn't sign last

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Speaker 1: year until April, um, you know, and I think I

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Speaker 1: just saw on his Instagram he was in Hawaii, so

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Speaker 1: enjoying a little time away. Congrats to the McLoud family

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Speaker 1: for getting away and not being here and speaking of

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Speaker 1: getting away and not talking about free agents thankfully, But

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Speaker 1: congratulations to mister and missus Jonathan Taylor got married just

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Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, maybe, Yeah, congratulate last week.

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Speaker 1: So was it a destination? It was? Yeah? Awesome? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so fun off season Yeah the Taylor absolutely absolutely so. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll see what the market is for some of the

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Speaker 1: in house free agents for the Indianapolis Colts elsewhere, guys

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Speaker 1: that are still out there. Good stuff is always working.

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Speaker 1: Ot Overtime Lara Overton and JJ Stangovitz. Lara, I know

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Speaker 1: the Hoosiers play later on tonight. JJ, congratulations to your

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Speaker 1: Missoo Tigers winning their first NC DOUBAA tournament game since

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Speaker 1: win twenty ten when I was a senior in college

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Speaker 1: at Missoo. Who they got? Now, who's next in the

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Speaker 1: Princeton We got Kaden Pearson the Princeton Tigers. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: he made some clutch shots on the stretch, two clutch

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Speaker 1: free throws to sink Arizona. That was cool. Yeah. Alec

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Speaker 1: was going nuts at the game. He was. He and

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Speaker 1: his family are all there and they're all just losing

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Speaker 1: our minds and rightfully so. The Princeton Tigers, Man, what

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Speaker 1: a draw they get, not having to face Arizona, but

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Speaker 1: they do get a draw. They get Missouri Tigers. We'll

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Speaker 1: see what happens the rest of the way. Good luck

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Speaker 1: to you and your brackets. Good luck to you guys

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Speaker 1: balancing basketball and football free agency the rest of the weekend,

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Speaker 1: and when news happens, when things break regarding the Indianapolis Colts,

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Speaker 1: come on Backcolts dot com, the Colts Marble App, and

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Speaker 1: we'll chat it up here on the Colts Audio Network

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Speaker 1: again for Lara JJ, I'm Matt. Thanks for listening, and

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to you soon on another installment of Overtime.

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Speaker 1: So Long,