WEBVTT - A Klansman in Berlin: Dennis Mahon, Pt. 2

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<v Speaker 1>Coo Zone Media. There was a little bit of snow

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground as Rebecca Williams pulled her rental car

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<v Speaker 1>up to a padlocked gate at the end of a

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<v Speaker 1>gravel driveway near Big Sugar Creek State Park in southwest Missouri.

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<v Speaker 1>She was already three years into living as Becca Stevens,

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<v Speaker 1>an undercover informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms,

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<v Speaker 1>so she was no stranger to strange conversations with dangerous men.

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<v Speaker 1>But she was flying without an Nette this time. The

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<v Speaker 1>AGF agents were sending her in alone.

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<v Speaker 2>They were very.

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<v Speaker 1>Curious about what was going on at this two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>acre compound in the Ozarks, but they couldn't get close.

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<v Speaker 1>The area was so remote they wouldn't even be able

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<v Speaker 1>to listen in during her visit, and wearing a wire

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<v Speaker 1>was out of the question. Anyway. She'd be dead before

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<v Speaker 1>the agents reached that locked gate if she was found out.

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<v Speaker 1>Before she left her briefing that morning, an ATF agent

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<v Speaker 1>clipped a small recording device to her keychain and tied

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<v Speaker 1>a bright pink ribbon in her hair. The ribbon was

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<v Speaker 1>so they could see her on aerial surveillance. They said

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<v Speaker 1>it was January of two thousand and eight, when Rebecca

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<v Speaker 1>visited that Missouri compound owned by Robert Joe's. He chatted

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<v Speaker 1>idly about bomb making as he gave her a tour

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<v Speaker 1>of his property, pointing out hidden entrances to the caves

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<v Speaker 1>where he stored caches of weapons and survival foods. He

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<v Speaker 1>told her that if anybody ever betrayed his confidence, they'd

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<v Speaker 1>just disappear into one of those caves. As the ice

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<v Speaker 1>crunched softly under her boots in the woods, Rebecca wondered

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<v Speaker 1>if that pink ribbon in her hair was only there

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<v Speaker 1>to help identify her body. This was her first of

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<v Speaker 1>several visits with Robert Joe's, a man preaching a dangerous

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<v Speaker 1>mix of apocalyptic Christianity and sovereign citizen anti government extremism

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<v Speaker 1>from his compound in the Ozarks. In nineteen ninety four,

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<v Speaker 1>of his followers shot a Missouri state trooper who had

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<v Speaker 1>arrested Jo's on a misdemeanor charge. In two thousand four,

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<v Speaker 1>the morning a bomb went off inside the Office of

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<v Speaker 1>Diversity and Dialog in Scottsdale, Arizona, Robert Joe's was the

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<v Speaker 1>first person the bomber called, and it was that bomber

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Mayhon who had introduced Rebecca to Robert Joe's as

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<v Speaker 1>Becca Stevens. She'd developed a close friendship with Dennis Mayhon

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<v Speaker 1>and his twin brother Daniel, so close, in fact, that

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis had fallen desperately in love with her. He begged

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<v Speaker 1>her to let his twin brother impregnate her. He was impotent,

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<v Speaker 1>but he reasoned that if his identical twin got her pregnant,

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<v Speaker 1>the resulting baby would still be his biological child. Over

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<v Speaker 1>the years on this undercover assignment, the brothers had told

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<v Speaker 1>her on several occasions that if things ever got bad

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<v Speaker 1>for them, this is where they would go. They could

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<v Speaker 1>hole up in those caves where no one would ever

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<v Speaker 1>find them. Rebecca Williams was not the first ATF informant

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Mayhon had fallen in love with. It was his

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with Carol Howe, a Tulsa debutante turned Nazi turned

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<v Speaker 1>in foremant turned Nazi again that inspired ATF agent Tristan

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<v Speaker 1>Morland to hire an exotic dancer to woo Mayhon into

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<v Speaker 1>confessing to that two thousand and four bombing in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 1>But unlike Carol Howe's testimony about Mahon's possible ties to

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<v Speaker 1>the Oklahoma City bombing. Rebecca's work paid off. She put

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Mayhon in federal prison for building a bomb. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Molly Conger, and this is weird, little guys. When we

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<v Speaker 1>left off last week, it was nineteen ninety. Dennis Mayhon

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<v Speaker 1>was leading a clan splinter group called the White Knights

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<v Speaker 1>of the Ku Klux Klan, and he was Tom Metzker's

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<v Speaker 1>right hand man in the White Arean Resistance. After spending

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<v Speaker 1>most of the nineteen eighties underground years he spent by

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<v Speaker 1>his own account, carrying out minor acts of terror for

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<v Speaker 1>the clan, bombing federal office buildings, abortion clinics, and synagogues.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd emerged as a figure of some importance in the clan.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd just won a legal battle against the city council

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<v Speaker 1>in Kansas City over his right to broadcast a public

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<v Speaker 1>access television show called Klansas City Cable, and public access

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<v Speaker 1>television wasn't the only medium the White Knights of the

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<v Speaker 1>KKK were using to reach people in Missouri. Mayhon's fondness

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<v Speaker 1>for telephone hotlines will come up again a bit later.

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<v Speaker 1>He was known to run a dial a racist operation.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not an uncommon tactic, particularly in the pre internet days.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone with a message she wants to get out can

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<v Speaker 1>set up a voicemail box and pass out flyers or

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<v Speaker 1>business cards with the phone number on it. Interested party

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<v Speaker 1>call the number and listen to the recording. It's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of like a private on demand radio show. The original

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<v Speaker 1>podcast I guess it came up in the Very Black

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<v Speaker 1>episodes back in October two. Black's clan hotline was used

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<v Speaker 1>for clan announcements about upcoming events. But in October of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety, Dennis Mayhon wasn't handing out his clan hotline

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<v Speaker 1>number to white guys at bars that he hoped to

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<v Speaker 1>recruit his organization. He was targeting children. According to his

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<v Speaker 1>statement from the director of the Kansas City YWCA, students

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<v Speaker 1>at area elementary and middle schools were given a number

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<v Speaker 1>to call to hear a message from the host of

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<v Speaker 1>a popular children's television show. Nothing I could find elaborated

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<v Speaker 1>on that at all. It's unclear if flyers had been

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<v Speaker 1>posted at or near schools or playgrounds, or if someone

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<v Speaker 1>had actually physically approached elementary schoolers with this material. Either

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<v Speaker 1>possibility unsettling, but however, they got it. The children called

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<v Speaker 1>a number to hear a message from the host of

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Rogers Neighborhood, Mister Rogers himself after a tiny rendition

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<v Speaker 1>of the theme song from the TV show. The children

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<v Speaker 1>did not hear the warm, familiar voice of Fred Rogers. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a clansman imitating his voice and mannerisms, delivering

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<v Speaker 1>a foul message of bigotry. In one message, this false

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<v Speaker 1>mister Rogers mocks gay people, calling aid's divine retribution from

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<v Speaker 1>God to punish them. In another, the voice tells a

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<v Speaker 1>story about a young black boy on a playground. The

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<v Speaker 1>message is riddled with racial slurs and racist stereotypes, and

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<v Speaker 1>the story ends with the description of the little boy

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<v Speaker 1>being lynched. It's a horrifying thought that a child would

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<v Speaker 1>hear that at all, But if you're old enough to

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<v Speaker 1>have watched Mister Rogers Neighborhood TV when you were a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that adds a whole extra layer to this.

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<v Speaker 1>The show ran for over thirty years from the late

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<v Speaker 1>sixties until two thousand and one. Generations of kids loved

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<v Speaker 1>and trusted mister Rogers. The show talked to kids like

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<v Speaker 1>they were people, tackling difficult subjects gently and in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that was appropriate for preschoolers and older kids alike.

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<v Speaker 1>Often through song, mister Rogers talked to kids about divorce, death, anger, grief,

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<v Speaker 1>and friendship. And even if you've never seen the show,

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<v Speaker 1>you've surely heard one of his more enduring lessons to

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<v Speaker 1>look for the helpers, telling kids in uncertain times. When

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<v Speaker 1>I was a boy and I would see scary things

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<v Speaker 1>in the news, my mother would say to me, look

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<v Speaker 1>for the helpers. You'll always find people who are helping.

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<v Speaker 1>And he wasn't afraid to make waves in his own

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<v Speaker 1>gentle way. In nineteen sixty nine, when public swimming pools

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<v Speaker 1>in much of the country were still segregated in practice,

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<v Speaker 1>if not by law, mister Rogers shared a waiting pool

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<v Speaker 1>with Francois Clemons, one of the first African American actors

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<v Speaker 1>to have a recurring role on a children's TV show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh there's offscer Clemens, high offser clements.

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<v Speaker 1>Come in.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you mine?

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<v Speaker 3>Won't you sit down?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, just for a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so warm. I was just putting some water on

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<v Speaker 2>my feet.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh it sure is.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you like to join me?

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<v Speaker 3>It looks often enjoyable. But I don't have a towel

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<v Speaker 3>or anything. Oh, you share mine? Okay, sure, I lie,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll put some more water in here.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. Without mentioning race or segregation at all, Fred Rogers

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<v Speaker 1>showed kids that there was nothing unusual about cooling off

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<v Speaker 1>on a hot day with a friend whose skin isn't

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<v Speaker 1>the same color as yours. The episode aired shortly after

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<v Speaker 1>the show began filming in color, and the camera zooms

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<v Speaker 1>in close on their bare feet, black and white, side

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<v Speaker 1>by side in the blue wading pool. It doesn't sound

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<v Speaker 1>like much now, but it was a significant barrier to

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<v Speaker 1>break on TV in nineteen sixty nine. All that to say,

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<v Speaker 1>Fred Rogers was probably very upset when he heard children

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<v Speaker 1>were hearing hateful words in his voice. Within days of

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<v Speaker 1>the story reaching the media, mister Rogers himself had filed

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<v Speaker 1>a lawsuit against the clan. There was a press conference

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<v Speaker 1>in Kansas City on a Friday afternoon, with local civil

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<v Speaker 1>rights groups and faith leaders condemning the messages, and by

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<v Speaker 1>Monday morning, an army of entertainment lawyers had descended on

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<v Speaker 1>the Federal Court House in Kansas City. The ACLU didn't

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<v Speaker 1>rush to the clan's defense. This time they were on

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<v Speaker 1>their own. Had the Klan not used the theme song

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<v Speaker 1>from Mister Rogers Neighborhood, this may have dragged on and

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<v Speaker 1>become another battle over free speech. But the suit wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>about the vile and offensive content of the messages. It

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<v Speaker 1>was about copyright infringement. You can trick children into hearing

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<v Speaker 1>violent racist propaganda, but you can't mess with the corporation's

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<v Speaker 1>intellectual property. Klansman Edward Stevens, Fourth, Adam Troy Mercer, and

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Brooks settled almost immediately. Dennis Mayhon wasn't sued by name,

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<v Speaker 1>but he signed the settlement agreement as the representative for

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<v Speaker 1>the White Knights. The court ordered the men to destroy

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<v Speaker 1>all copies of the tapes they'd used to record and

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<v Speaker 1>disseminate the messages. Not long after making that trip to

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<v Speaker 1>the Federal court House in Kansas City to sign the paperwork,

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<v Speaker 1>Dennis Mayhon appeared again in federal court, but this time

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<v Speaker 1>it was in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and it wasn't for his

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<v Speaker 1>own case. He took the stand as a character witness

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<v Speaker 1>at a detention hearing for a friend. It isn't unusual

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<v Speaker 1>to have someone testify on your behalf at this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of thing. When the government wants to hold someone in

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<v Speaker 1>custody before they go to trial, all party involved appear

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<v Speaker 1>before a judge and make their case. The government explains

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<v Speaker 1>why they think pretrialed attention is necessary, whether because they

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<v Speaker 1>believe the defendant will fail to show up for court

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<v Speaker 1>or because there's a significant chance they'll commit another crime,

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<v Speaker 1>and the defendant's lawyer may put on a parent or

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<v Speaker 1>an employer to vouch for him, offering testimony about their

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<v Speaker 1>ties to the community, their responsibilities at home and work,

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that. I'm not a lawyer. We've been

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<v Speaker 1>over that, so maybe there's a strategy here that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just not getting. But if I were choosing character witnesses

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<v Speaker 1>to convince a judge that I'm not a danger to

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<v Speaker 1>the community, I wouldn't pick a prominent leader of the

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<v Speaker 1>Ku Klux Klan. But that's just me though, because Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>Rouche did. When Dennis took the stand in December of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety, he called Daniel Ruche quote the most honorable,

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<v Speaker 1>non violent, decent young man I've ever met in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said his friend probably would prefer not to

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<v Speaker 1>live around minorities, but quote, I don't think he'd hurt them.

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Rouge was one of fifteen members of a Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>skinhead group arrested in Oklahoma in nineteen ninety on hate

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<v Speaker 1>crime charges. For years, the skinheads had been harassing patrons

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<v Speaker 1>at Club Nitro, a punk club in Tulsa owned by

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<v Speaker 1>Khaled Rahal, a Lebanese immigrant. In nineteen eighty nine, they

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<v Speaker 1>waited in the parking lot until the bar closed and

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<v Speaker 1>attacked Rahl, beating him with a brick. A month later,

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<v Speaker 1>they set fire to the club with Molotov cocktails. Later

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<v Speaker 1>that year, Rush and at least a dozen others jumped

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<v Speaker 1>a patron in the parking lot, kicking him with their

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<v Speaker 1>steel toed boots until the teenager lost consciousness. This particular act,

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<v Speaker 1>a group assault with a heavy emphasis on kicking the

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<v Speaker 1>victim in the head, is called a boot party, and

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of guy who likes to have a boot

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<v Speaker 1>party is sometimes called a boot boy, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>Rouge's band was called the Midtown boot Boys, a name

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<v Speaker 1>you may remember from last week. The Midtown boot Boys

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<v Speaker 1>were the headline act at Aaryan Fest nineteen eighty eight

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<v Speaker 1>that racist woodstock that Tom Metzger held on a farm

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<v Speaker 1>in Oklahoma. And it turns out that concert in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty eight wasn't a one off thing. When I mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>it last week, it was really just because I saw

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<v Speaker 1>it in an old issue of Metzger's newsletter, and I

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<v Speaker 1>thought the name was funny. I didn't expect to spend

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<v Speaker 1>all week learning about an OI band from Oklahoma, But

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<v Speaker 1>apparently Metzger was a huge supporter of the Midtown boot Boys.

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<v Speaker 1>A year after that inaugural riyan Fest, Metzger invited them

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<v Speaker 1>to headline an event he was calling aryan Woodstock in Napa, California.

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<v Speaker 1>The event ended a day early due to poor attendance

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<v Speaker 1>and cold, and the band played Arianfest again a few

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<v Speaker 1>months later. In nineteen eighty nine, issues of Metzger's White

0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:13.600
<v Speaker 1>Arian Resistance newsletter offered the band's tapes for sale. In

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<v Speaker 1>his cultural history of the Skinhead movement, professor Jack Moore

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<v Speaker 1>describes a nineteen eighty eight recording of Metzger hawking the

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<v Speaker 1>tapes in one of his weekly addresses, writing that Metzger

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<v Speaker 1>sounds hopelessly square when he describes the album as a

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<v Speaker 1>hot tape. A local paper in Tulsa noted in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty eight that the Midtown boot Boys weren't just a

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<v Speaker 1>punk band. They were the center of skinhead organizing and

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<v Speaker 1>recruitment in the Tulsa area, and the skinheads they rolled

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<v Speaker 1>with called themselves war Skins, denoting their affiliation with Metzgers

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<v Speaker 1>White Arian resistance. That article refers to the local skinhead

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<v Speaker 1>leader as a man named Rip, which was the pseudonym

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<v Speaker 1>used by Daniel Rusche. The Oklahoma Separatist, a racist magazine

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<v Speaker 1>published by Oklahoma clansman Joe Grego, named Daniel Rusche Racist

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<v Speaker 1>of the Month in their July nineteen eighty eight issue,

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<v Speaker 1>offering praise for his music, artwork, and propensity for violence.

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<v Speaker 2>Rip works diligently in the field of skinhead recruiting. He

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<v Speaker 2>is a longtime veteran of the Tulsa streets and is

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<v Speaker 2>well known for his hard driven lifestyle. Rip support of

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<v Speaker 2>the KKK War and the Aryan Nations have been exemplary,

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, girls, he is a single man. We feel

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<v Speaker 2>that his example is a fine one for others to follow.

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<v Speaker 1>This mentioned in nineteen eighty eight of Ruche being a

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<v Speaker 1>skinhead organizer who is also active in the Clan whit

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<v Speaker 1>Aan resistance and the Aryan Nations is fascinating. You might

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<v Speaker 1>just slide right over a description like that, lots of

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<v Speaker 1>guys are in more than one hate group, what's so

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<v Speaker 1>special about that? But this is unique, This silly little

0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.600
<v Speaker 1>racist of the Month column actually captures a turning point

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<v Speaker 1>in the movement. Tiffany Travis's History of the American Skinhead

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<v Speaker 1>Movement notes that skinheads in Tulsa were the first to

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<v Speaker 1>openly affiliate with paramilitary groups and the Aryan Nations. She

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't name the Midtown boot Boys in particular, but she's

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Tulsa in nineteen eighty eight. She's talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Rusche. In nineteen eighty seven. Tom Metzker started trying

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<v Speaker 1>to organize skinheads in California. The first chapter of War

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<v Speaker 1>Skins started out there in nineteen eighty seven, and a

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<v Speaker 1>year later we're seeing these local news reports in Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 1>about Tulsa's Skins calling themselves war Skins. Travis's book credits

0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Metzker as being the first big name white supremacist to

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<v Speaker 1>embrace the potential of skinhead culture and welcome them into

0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:13.280
<v Speaker 1>the movement. Metzger has quoted saying, I give them guidance

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<v Speaker 1>on the law to stay out of trouble, and I

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<v Speaker 1>give them our ideology. They have their own subculture and

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<v Speaker 1>tampering with it would destroy it. Metzger helped skinhead groups

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<v Speaker 1>set up post office boxes to use for recruitment and

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<v Speaker 1>networking with other racist organizations, and he set up White

0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Arean resistance phone lines in their cities. By the late eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>leaderless resistance was the name of the game, and Metzger

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<v Speaker 1>thought he could use Race's skinheads to his advantage. They

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<v Speaker 1>would spread his message, attract rowdy, youthful audiences he could

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<v Speaker 1>recruit from, and they would carry out acts of racist

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<v Speaker 1>violence that wouldn't trace directly back to him. He quickly

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<v Speaker 1>realized he'd made a mistake, though, In nineteen eighty eight,

0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:03.040
<v Speaker 1>war Skins in Portland murder Mulagetta Sarah. By nineteen eighty nine,

0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:07.200
<v Speaker 1>war Skins in California, Texas, and Oklahoma were committing hate

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<v Speaker 1>crimes at an alarming rate, and the FBI was starting

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<v Speaker 1>to round them up. He'd been trying to quietly extricate

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<v Speaker 1>himself from the skinhead movement when a lawsuit brought by

0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Mulagetta Sara's family took him for everything. He had a

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<v Speaker 1>jury in Oregon didn't buy the leaderless resistance defense. Travis's

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<v Speaker 1>book attributes this effort to organized skinheads directly to Metzger personally,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's fair, it's accurate. It was being done at

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<v Speaker 1>his direction, and when it started in California, he had

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<v Speaker 1>a personal role in it. But the person actually directly

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for organizing the Skins in Oklahoma was almost certainly

0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:55.439
<v Speaker 1>Metzger's Midwest lieutenant Dennis Mayhon. By nineteen ninety, Dennis Mayhon

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<v Speaker 1>had moved to Catusa, just outside of Tulsa, and all sudden,

0:19:00.440 --> 0:19:04.160
<v Speaker 1>the local skinheads have ties to the clan, the Aryan

0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Nations and White Aryan Resistance, just like Dennis. And when

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<v Speaker 1>Tulsa's Skinheads got rounded up by the FBI, there's Dennis

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<v Speaker 1>on the witness stand, testifying that he'd been friends with

0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:21.120
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Rouge for years. In his own newsletter later that month,

0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Dennis Mayhon said he was organizing local clansmen to sell

0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:28.720
<v Speaker 1>their guns to raise money for Ruche's defense, but there

0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:32.600
<v Speaker 1>would be no defense. Despite Dennis Mayhan's confident statements to

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<v Speaker 1>the press that the case was pure persecution of the

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<v Speaker 1>skinheads for their beliefs. Daniel Rushe entered a guilty plea

0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:42.639
<v Speaker 1>in January nineteen ninety one and was sentenced to forty

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<v Speaker 1>two months with time served in good behavior. He was

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<v Speaker 1>released in November of nineteen ninety three. Unfortunately for the

0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:53.720
<v Speaker 1>Midtown boot Boys, though they only got their basist back.

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<v Speaker 1>The band's vocalist, Christopher Jones, received a slightly longer sentence,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had to serve time for an assault brought

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<v Speaker 1>by the state of Oklahoma first. One of the other

0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:07.560
<v Speaker 1>skinheads sentenced alongside them, a man named Michael Lewis Lawrence,

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<v Speaker 1>was given nine years on top of the four years

0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:14.320
<v Speaker 1>he was already serving in Texas for a separate hate

0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:18.720
<v Speaker 1>crimes case involving skinheads in Dallas. When Lawrence went to

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<v Speaker 1>trial in Texas, one of his co conspirators testified that

0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:25.119
<v Speaker 1>they had been attempting to re enact Christallnacht on the

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<v Speaker 1>fiftieth anniversary of the nineteen thirty eight pograms in Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>When the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the convictions

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<v Speaker 1>in the Texas case, the opinion notes that Aryanfest eighty

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<v Speaker 1>eight was a pivotal moment writing. After defendants attended an

0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Aryan fest in June nineteen eighty eight, during which various

0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:48.399
<v Speaker 1>speakers encouraged skinhead groups to become the backbone and foot

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers of the white supremacist movement, the group became more

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<v Speaker 1>determined to use violence to achieve its philosophical objectives. That

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<v Speaker 1>speaker was Tom Metzker. At that hearing in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>to determine if Daniel Rouge could be granted bond on

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<v Speaker 1>charges of racially motivated assault, he admitted to the judge

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<v Speaker 1>that he had written the lyrics quote throw a boot

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<v Speaker 1>party for the left wing commie scum end quote we

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<v Speaker 1>find a drunken n word and beat him black and blue,

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<v Speaker 1>lyrics that do describe the crimes he's accused of. From

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<v Speaker 1>what I can piece together of the band's discography, the

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<v Speaker 1>track Tulsa Tonight, which seems to describe the crimes half

0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:40.800
<v Speaker 1>the band went to prison for, was actually recorded after

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<v Speaker 1>they served their time An Me Die Tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Their streets are off, shined up light to find the

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<v Speaker 3>streets up all night, shine up light to find all

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<v Speaker 3>of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I may be a bit prejudiced in my assessment of

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<v Speaker 1>the band's music in part because the lyrics are violently racist,

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<v Speaker 1>but also I'm just not a huge fan of OI music,

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<v Speaker 1>this particular subgenre of punk. It all kind of sounds

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<v Speaker 1>the same to me. I watched several hours of footage

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<v Speaker 1>from aran Fest nineteen eighty eight and nineteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>and honestly, I couldn't actually tell which of the acts

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<v Speaker 1>was the Midtown boot Boys because they all sound the

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<v Speaker 1>same to me. Track listings for their tapes show songs

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<v Speaker 1>with titles like blood Will Run and Downright Hateful. When

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler's deputy fear Rudolph hess died, they honored him with

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<v Speaker 1>a song called sleep Well Rudolph Hesse, and they praised

0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:59.600
<v Speaker 1>the crimes of the Nazi terrorist group The Order in

0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:04.119
<v Speaker 1>their song Free the Order. The band had to go

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<v Speaker 1>on hiatus in nineteen ninety one because Daniel Ruche, the bassist,

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<v Speaker 1>and Christopher Jones, the vocalist, both went to prison after

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<v Speaker 1>pleading guilty to civil rights violations and hate crimes. When

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<v Speaker 1>Rouche got out in nineteen ninety three, he and the drummer,

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<v Speaker 1>a man named Stacy, started a metal band called Berserker,

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<v Speaker 1>playing under that name until getting the Midtown boot Boys

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<v Speaker 1>back together. When Jones was released in nineteen ninety six.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not completely clear when Stacy became the band's drummer,

0:23:33.320 --> 0:23:36.480
<v Speaker 1>but it must have been after their previous drummer testified

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<v Speaker 1>against the Skinheads in Texas. As of twenty thirteen, Christopher

0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Jones owed Daniel Ruche's sister more than sixteen thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in child support, and I can't find any information about

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not her restraining order against Jones impacted the

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:54.840
<v Speaker 1>band at all. It really was a family affair, though.

0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Shortly after Daniel Rusche got out of prison, he married

0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:03.560
<v Speaker 1>Boot Boy's guitar as Tony Loretti's sister. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>an episode about Dennis Mayhon, and I don't think Dennis

0:24:06.359 --> 0:24:09.720
<v Speaker 1>Mayhon was ever in a punk band. In footage of

0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:12.960
<v Speaker 1>the Midtown boot Boys set at arian Fest nineteen eighty nine,

0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 1>the camera pans slowly over a solidly middle aged looking

0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:23.679
<v Speaker 1>Dennis bobbing his head slightly offbeat. I couldn't find the

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<v Speaker 1>end of this thread, but it seems like Dennis Mahon

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<v Speaker 1>didn't stay friends with the Skinheads forever. An article published

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<v Speaker 1>by the Southern Poverty Law Center in nineteen ninety nine

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<v Speaker 1>makes a passing mention of the time that Dennis Mayhon

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<v Speaker 1>was beaten and stabbed by a group of skinheads in Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't say when that happened. In nineteen ninety,

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<v Speaker 1>a young race assist in Germany wrote Dennis Mayhan a letter.

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<v Speaker 1>Carston Sepanski was a twenty year old skinhead from Berlin.

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<v Speaker 1>He was sharing an apartment with Andreas Pohl, a Nazi

0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:13.160
<v Speaker 1>skinhead who'd spent most of the eighties as the drummer

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<v Speaker 1>in one of Germany's oldest skinhead bands, Kraft der Freude,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the early nineties Pohl was leading the German

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:24.240
<v Speaker 1>neo Nazi group Nationalist Front. It's not clear in any

0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:27.200
<v Speaker 1>of the sources I could find exactly how Sepanski came

0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:30.640
<v Speaker 1>to write to Mahon, but it's possible that Pole's connections

0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:33.320
<v Speaker 1>with skinhead bands in Britain and the United States played

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<v Speaker 1>a part. Soon after they began exchanging letters, Sepanski began

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<v Speaker 1>publishing a clan style newsletter called Dos Feuerkreutz or The

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Fiery Cross. It had a bit of original material information

0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 1>about immigrants in Germany that would be of interest to

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 1>a German neo Nazi, but it was almost entirely just

0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:57.720
<v Speaker 1>translated articles taken from Dennis Mayhan's clan newsletter called The

0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:02.720
<v Speaker 1>White Beret. This wasn't the first time American clan influence

0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 1>had reached Germany, but most of the earlier hotspots of

0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>clan activity in Germany connect back to American service members

0:26:09.359 --> 0:26:13.360
<v Speaker 1>stationed at US military bases there. In the nineteen sixties,

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the spokesman for the clan in Germany was a U.

0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:19.600
<v Speaker 1>S Army officer stationed in Bavaria. In the early eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>the leader of the clan in Germany was an American

0:26:21.600 --> 0:26:25.919
<v Speaker 1>Air Force sergeant named Murray Cockel. But in nineteen ninety

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 1>one there was a new clan in town. In April

0:26:30.080 --> 0:26:33.520
<v Speaker 1>of that year, two hundred Neo Nazisan skinheads arrived in

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<v Speaker 1>the German town of Hereford. They were there to celebrate

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler's birthday. A few months later, three teenagers were arrested

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Innuenrata for throwing rocks at a building that was home

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:50.120
<v Speaker 1>to Turkish and Albanian immigrants. Police confiscated pistols and Molotov cocktails,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of them had stickers in his pocket bearing

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:58.639
<v Speaker 1>recruitment information for a clan chapter in Bielefeld. The Beilafeld

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:01.440
<v Speaker 1>chapter seems to have been under the direction of bern Schmidt,

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:05.919
<v Speaker 1>but in Berlin Carston Sepanski was calling himself the Grand

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:09.200
<v Speaker 1>Dragon of the German White Knights of the ku Klux Klan.

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<v Speaker 1>In the fall of nineteen ninety one, there were more

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<v Speaker 1>than two hundred arson attacks targeting immigrants in Germany, focused

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<v Speaker 1>mainly on housing facilities for asylum seekers. The attacks culminated

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:27.000
<v Speaker 1>in the Heierz Verda riots in September, after a group

0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:29.840
<v Speaker 1>of young Neo Nazis was arrested for attacking a Vietnamese

0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:33.679
<v Speaker 1>street vendor. The group retaliated by attacking a hostel that

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 1>housed Mozambicon contract workers. Over the next week, the violence escalated.

0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:45.639
<v Speaker 1>An apartment building that housed asylum seekers was bombed. The

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 1>German government responded by evacuating all of the asylum seekers

0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:53.800
<v Speaker 1>in Heuierz Verde. Other immigrants left on their own, no

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:57.640
<v Speaker 1>longer feeling safe from the town the racist had won.

0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:06.360
<v Speaker 1>They declared hoyersvada ouslander fry free of foreigners. The violence

0:28:06.400 --> 0:28:10.760
<v Speaker 1>was contagious. It wasn't just happening in heuers Verde, and

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 1>the days that followed hundreds of Romanians fled Leipzig. A

0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>dozen Neo Nazis were arrested in Hereford after bombing several

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:22.760
<v Speaker 1>cars outside of a home for asylum seekers. A Ghanian

0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:24.919
<v Speaker 1>man was burned to death in saw Louis when his

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 1>apartment was firebombed. And that's what was happening in Germany.

0:28:30.359 --> 0:28:35.240
<v Speaker 1>When Denis Mahon got off a plane in Frankfurt, he

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 1>took a nine day, twenty five city tour of Germany

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 1>at the end of September of nineteen ninety one, at

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:46.320
<v Speaker 1>the invitation of Carston Sepanski. After visiting the Reichstag building

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 1>in Berlin, Dennis said, quote, it was very inspiring to

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:53.680
<v Speaker 1>walk up the same steps that Adolf Hitler walked up.

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 1>When Mahon mced a cross burning an hour south of Berlin,

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the heiers Verda riots were on going. As the cross burned,

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 1>he told the assembled crowd of a few dozen German

0:29:05.280 --> 0:29:08.800
<v Speaker 1>Neo Nazis that the violence in Heerz Verde was a

0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 1>great victory for Germany. He later explained to a reporter

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.120
<v Speaker 1>that the cross burning quote called up the spirits of

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:22.640
<v Speaker 1>the Vaffiness and the Teutonic Knights. The next day, Carson

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Sepanski drove Dennis Mayhon to Sarbruken, where they attended a

0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Screwdriver concert. After the show, he met with Ian Stewart Donaldson,

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 1>the frontman of the Nazi punk band, and gave him

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 1>a white beret, the symbol of Dennis's clan group. I

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 1>did find contemporary reporting about this trip from both American

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 1>and German news outlets. I read accounts of this trip

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 1>in several books and tracked down the sources those authors

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 1>cited and read those two. But the most thorough accounting

0:29:56.240 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 1>of Dennis Mayhon's trip to Germany was written by Dennis himself.

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 1>After an exhaustive effort to locate issues of his newsletter

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 1>The White Beret, I only found one. I know was

0:30:10.040 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 1>published for years, from maybe nineteen eighty nine through at

0:30:15.280 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 1>least nineteen ninety five. But I only found one issue,

0:30:21.000 --> 0:30:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the December nineteen ninety one January nineteen ninety two issue.

0:30:26.000 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't find it in a university special collection

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 1>or a library database of old extremist literature. I didn't

0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 1>find it on the Internet archive or in some old

0:30:36.200 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 1>ADL special report. The person who held on to a

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:44.360
<v Speaker 1>hard copy of this old clan newsletter for three decades

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>was Dennis Mayhon's twin brother, Daniel Mayhon, and in twenty

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 1>twenty two, this issue was among the archival materials that

0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Mayhon provided to an Adam Waffen splinter group that

0:30:58.760 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 1>was trying to digitize and preserve important artifacts of right

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 1>wing terrorist history. Not to spoil the ending, but Daniel

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Mayhon was arrested and charged in connection with that two

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 1>thousand and four bombing in Arizona, but unlike his brother,

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:21.160
<v Speaker 1>he was acquitted. Daniel Mayhon is legally speaking, completely innocent.

0:31:22.080 --> 0:31:26.120
<v Speaker 1>He's never been convicted of a crime. So I'm very

0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 1>intrigued by this relatively recent contact he seems to have

0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 1>had with today's aspiring Nazi terrorists. I wonder how often

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>they talk. That lone issue of the White Beret that

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 1>I was able to find goes into great detail about

0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 1>Dennis Mayhon's travels. In September of nineteen ninety one, he

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:50.160
<v Speaker 1>describes his visit to the site of the Saxenhausen concentration camp,

0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 1>writing that he quote had a real laugh at the

0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 1>wild stories, and he says that compared to American prisons,

0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 1>the work the camp was closer to a Marriott or

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 1>a Hilton. He claims to have urinated on a memorial

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 1>to Holocaust victims that was placed at the site of

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:14.560
<v Speaker 1>the camp's crematorium. The newsletter also includes an advertisement for

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Bob Matthew's memorial t shirts honoring Robert J. Matthews, the

0:32:19.720 --> 0:32:21.760
<v Speaker 1>leader of the Order who died in a standoff with

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:25.680
<v Speaker 1>the FBI in nineteen eighty four. The shirts cost just

0:32:25.800 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 1>fifteen dollars, payable by money order to a man named

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Drew in Ontario. Readers were also told that they could

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>send a money order to a PO box in Hayden Lake,

0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Idaho for some quote good news, and they'd receive in

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 1>return an updated list of celebrities who had contracted HIV.

0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 1>An announcement towards the end of the newsletter recommends subscribing

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 1>to a new publication from Canada's Heritage Front. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of foreshadowing for Dennis. In nineteen ninety three, he

0:32:57.240 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>would try to visit the publication's author, both gung T,

0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 1>but the Canadian government intercepted him at the airport and

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 1>deported him. Not long after Jennis Mahon's tour of Germany,

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 1>his host, Carson Sepanski attacked a schoolteacher from Nigeria at

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:17.240
<v Speaker 1>a nightclub in Brandenburg. He and nearly a dozen others

0:33:17.240 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 1>surrounded the man, kicking and punching him until he lost consciousness.

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 1>When a waitress tried to intervene, one of the men said,

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 1>we'll kill him. He's not human anyway, and as the

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:33.480
<v Speaker 1>beating escalated, Sepanski reportedly tried to get a chant of

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Ku klux Klan Ku klux Klan going. As the punches landed.

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:42.480
<v Speaker 1>They dragged the man outside and tried to set him

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 1>on fire, but his coat wouldn't catch. They threw him,

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 1>unconscious into a nearby lake instead. An employee from the

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>nightclub was able to pull him out of the water

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:56.160
<v Speaker 1>before he drowned, but the man was in a coma

0:33:56.200 --> 0:34:00.200
<v Speaker 1>for days. It was while he was in prison for

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:03.480
<v Speaker 1>this attempted murder that Carston Sepansky became an informant for

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the German police. When he was called to testify in

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:10.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty fourteen in the trial for the National Socialist Underground murders,

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:14.799
<v Speaker 1>he was asked about that cross burning in nineteen ninety one,

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 1>he agreed that the point had been to spread fear.

0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:23.920
<v Speaker 1>By nineteen ninety two, Dennis Mayhon was living in Tulsa,

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:28.360
<v Speaker 1>and he tried his hand at politics again, despite the

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 1>abject failure to even get any attention when he ran

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 1>for aldermen in Northmore a few years earlier. Dennis was

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 1>one of nearly sixty people who threw his hat into

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:39.839
<v Speaker 1>the ring for the special election after Tulsa Mayor Roger

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Randall resigned in nineteen ninety two. He didn't win, obviously.

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 1>The county GOP chair said the Republican Party will do

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:53.319
<v Speaker 1>anything and everything to distance itself from the message this

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 1>particular candidate has, adding that it was obvious that Mayhan

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 1>was only running to get a platform to read his

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 1>message of Aryan resistance. He's in the paper a few

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 1>other times that year, mostly related to his efforts to

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 1>recruit new members to a clan chapter in Madison, Wisconsin,

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 1>of all places. He set up a diala racist hotline

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 1>up there to aid in those efforts, and for some reason,

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:23.000
<v Speaker 1>the Capital Times newspaper in Madison published lengthy excerpts from

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>the recorded messages, slurs and all. He also received a

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 1>cease and desist letter from an attorney representing the company

0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 1>that owns the rights to the Garfield comic strip after

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:36.400
<v Speaker 1>he published an issue of The White Beret with the

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 1>cartoon cat on the cover. The newspaper doesn't say what

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.839
<v Speaker 1>Garfield was doing, but I'd be willing to stake at

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:47.440
<v Speaker 1>least ten bucks that it's a picture of Garfield wearing

0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 1>a clan robe or giving a Nazi salute, or something

0:35:50.920 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 1>distasteful like that. Those articles in Wisconsin quote a local

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.480
<v Speaker 1>man who disputes genesis claim that the dial of racist

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:02.880
<v Speaker 1>hotline was getting a lot of call. You can't really

0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:05.560
<v Speaker 1>take him in his word, considering he told the paper

0:36:05.600 --> 0:36:08.600
<v Speaker 1>that he wasn't a member of any hate groups, despite

0:36:08.680 --> 0:36:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he was running the Clan hotline out

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:14.400
<v Speaker 1>of his home. But he says he's only received about

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:17.800
<v Speaker 1>a dozen calls in total, which is a far cry

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:21.399
<v Speaker 1>from the hundreds per week that Maehon was boasting about.

0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:26.719
<v Speaker 1>So maybe the Nila Rasis hot line wasn't a phenomenally

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:31.040
<v Speaker 1>effective recruitment tool. But we do know at least one

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:39.240
<v Speaker 1>person whose entire life changed after she called Dennis's hotline.

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:44.879
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety four, Carol Howe got hurt. She would

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 1>later claim that she'd been pushed off a building by

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:51.160
<v Speaker 1>a gang of black men. Other versions of the story

0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:55.320
<v Speaker 1>have her jumping off a roof to escape, but still

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 1>she's claiming it's because she was being chased by these

0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:03.319
<v Speaker 1>mysterious and frightening black men, conjuring the ultimate boogeyman in

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>the mind of the racist, a beautiful white woman coming

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:10.320
<v Speaker 1>to harm at the hands of black men. This is

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:14.360
<v Speaker 1>her origin story. She told this version of events to

0:37:14.480 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 1>explain why she became a Nazi, and this is the

0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:25.080
<v Speaker 1>version of Carol's story that exists almost everywhere. Even sources

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:28.440
<v Speaker 1>that note that you should view this with some skepticism

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:33.280
<v Speaker 1>don't offer any alternative explanation for Carol Howe's broken feet,

0:37:34.520 --> 0:37:37.439
<v Speaker 1>and those were real. She was on crutches for most

0:37:37.480 --> 0:37:42.839
<v Speaker 1>of that year. In an audible original miniseries published last year,

0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:50.240
<v Speaker 1>investigative journalist John Ronson finally solved this mystery. Carol Howe's

0:37:50.239 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 1>ex husband, Gregg, explains to Ronson in an interview that

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:56.840
<v Speaker 1>they'd been drinking in a public park around Easter of

0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety four. A local Catholic church was putting on

0:38:01.040 --> 0:38:03.880
<v Speaker 1>their annual Passion play in the park, so there was

0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:07.520
<v Speaker 1>a bit of set dressing set up. They saw a

0:38:07.520 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 1>group of kids climbing the scenery and jumping off of it,

0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:14.839
<v Speaker 1>and Carol thought it looked fun, so she tried it,

0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:20.759
<v Speaker 1>but she landed badly, breaking bones in both of her feet.

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Greg doesn't specify exactly what it was that Carol jumped

0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 1>off of, just that it was something set up in

0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:32.480
<v Speaker 1>the park for the Passion play. A Passion play, if

0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 1>you're not familiar, depicts the story of the crucifixion and

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:41.000
<v Speaker 1>resurrection of Jesus Christ. I've never been to a live

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 1>Passion play, so I can't tell you with ironclad certainty

0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:48.239
<v Speaker 1>what the most common pieces of set decoration might be

0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:50.720
<v Speaker 1>if you were to put one on in a public park.

0:38:51.680 --> 0:38:53.759
<v Speaker 1>But the only thing I can think of that would

0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.800
<v Speaker 1>be big enough to jump off of and hurt yourself

0:38:56.920 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 1>like that is the cross itself. So the question I'm

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 1>asking myself is, did Carol Howe break her feet drunkenly

0:39:07.320 --> 0:39:12.360
<v Speaker 1>jumping off of a cross? Is her racist origin story

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 1>of white victimhood and martyrdom just a cover for goofing

0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:22.920
<v Speaker 1>off on a giant cross? Because that would be very funny.

0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:26.719
<v Speaker 1>If you grew up in Tulsa and you ever went

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:30.440
<v Speaker 1>to the Easter pageant at Chandler Park, do let me

0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:36.600
<v Speaker 1>know what you think. Carol jumped off of After her injury,

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:40.799
<v Speaker 1>Carol Howe didn't leave the house for weeks. She had

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 1>to have surgery to repair the damage to her feet,

0:39:43.640 --> 0:39:46.560
<v Speaker 1>and Greg says her doctor's prescribed her any kind of

0:39:46.600 --> 0:39:50.359
<v Speaker 1>pills she asked for, so she laid in bed all day,

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 1>taking pain pills and calling in to the dial a

0:39:54.040 --> 0:39:58.719
<v Speaker 1>racist hotline to listen to the messages. And after a

0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 1>few weeks of doing this, she decided she needed to

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:04.279
<v Speaker 1>meet the man whose voice she had been listening to

0:40:04.360 --> 0:40:08.200
<v Speaker 1>every day. They spoke on the phone a few times

0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 1>before meeting in a restaurant in Tulsa. Carol left her

0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:17.920
<v Speaker 1>husband soon after. Carol Howe was twenty years younger than

0:40:17.960 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Denis Mayhon, and if you ignore the giant swastika tattoo,

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:25.759
<v Speaker 1>she was very beautiful. She was the daughter of a

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:28.440
<v Speaker 1>very wealthy man and had been a debutante in Tulsa.

0:40:29.880 --> 0:40:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Dennis Mayhon told John Ronson that he really did try

0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 1>not to fall in love with Carol. He saw a

0:40:36.480 --> 0:40:39.640
<v Speaker 1>lot of potential in her. He wanted to mold her

0:40:39.680 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 1>into the perfect mouthpiece for the movement. She was a

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:48.239
<v Speaker 1>beautiful and intelligent young woman, educated and well spoken. He

0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 1>wanted to get her on TV. After he showed her

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:54.520
<v Speaker 1>how to make bombs, they set some off in the

0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:58.360
<v Speaker 1>woods together. Dennis said she was so thrilled by the

0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:04.320
<v Speaker 1>explosions that they had sex immediately, but the relationship soured quickly.

0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:08.960
<v Speaker 1>In August, just four months after they met, Carol went

0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:11.240
<v Speaker 1>to the courthouse in Tulsa to take out a restraining

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:14.680
<v Speaker 1>order against him. She'd gone to the police after he

0:41:14.800 --> 0:41:17.640
<v Speaker 1>raped her, she says, and then he started leaving her

0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:20.840
<v Speaker 1>threatening messages, saying if she pulled away from the movement,

0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:26.799
<v Speaker 1>he'd have to neutralize her. And he really did leave

0:41:26.920 --> 0:41:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Carol how threatening messages. In August of nineteen ninety four,

0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:33.719
<v Speaker 1>John Ronson was able to get access to some of those,

0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:38.280
<v Speaker 1>and they're included in that audible miniseries. But two weeks

0:41:38.320 --> 0:41:41.439
<v Speaker 1>after she filed for the restraining order, she didn't show

0:41:41.520 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 1>up to court for the hearing, so the judge dismissed

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the petition, and that was okay with Carol. She was

0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:53.560
<v Speaker 1>ready to get close to Dennis again, but not because

0:41:53.600 --> 0:41:58.239
<v Speaker 1>she'd forgiven him for sexually assaulting her. Two days after

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:01.440
<v Speaker 1>she reported the assault, she was approached by agents from

0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:05.600
<v Speaker 1>the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. The next time

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:11.839
<v Speaker 1>she saw Dennis, Carol Howe was an ATF informant. By

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:15.040
<v Speaker 1>this time, Dennis was already a fixture around a little

0:42:15.040 --> 0:42:17.840
<v Speaker 1>spot out in the country about two hours southeast of

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:21.520
<v Speaker 1>the city. He was still living in Tulsa, but for

0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 1>a few years now he'd been spending weekends down there

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:29.080
<v Speaker 1>in his airstream trailer. And in nineteen ninety four Dennis

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Mahon and Carol Howe started spending a lot more time

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:38.640
<v Speaker 1>together down in Elleheim City. And that I'm afraid is

0:42:38.680 --> 0:42:51.680
<v Speaker 1>a story you'll have to come back for. Wee Little

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<v Speaker 1>Guys as a production of Cool Zone Media and iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>It's research, written and recorded by me, Molly Conger. Special

0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 1>thanks this episode goes to doctor Michelle Kahn for pointing

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 1>me in the direction of Carston Spanski. Most of the

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 1>material about his relationship with Dennis Mahon was in German

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:09.680
<v Speaker 1>and I would not have been able to find it

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<v Speaker 1>without his name as a starting point, So thank you, Michelle.

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