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Speaker 1: My rant right now is about Tinks eating salad with

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Speaker 1: your salad, and I just I respectfully disagree. My guest

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Speaker 1: today is Christina naj Are, better known as the TikTok

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Speaker 1: phenom Tinks. Tinks is a digital creator, advice expert, and

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Speaker 1: podcast host. I became aware of her from her presence

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Speaker 1: on TikTok, where she's known as TikTok's big sister. I've

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Speaker 1: talked before on the show about the good, the bad,

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Speaker 1: and the ugly of TikTok, and there's no better person

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Speaker 1: to weigh in on these things than Tinks. Plus, Tinks

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Speaker 1: and I had a very contentious truffle fry fight that

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Speaker 1: we needed to settle. So let's get into it. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, Hi, Hi, what's going on? Where are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm in l A. I'm at home. I just got

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Speaker 1: back from working out, Ready to take on the week,

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Speaker 1: ready to talk with you. I'm so excited to meet you. Finally.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited too, So what does l A feel like

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Speaker 1: compared to New York? To you? Do you? What are you?

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Speaker 1: Are you a New Yorker? Are you? Do you feel

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Speaker 1: like you're from England? What do you feel inside? I

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Speaker 1: have lived so many different places. I like l A

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Speaker 1: for the lifestyle. The people can be tough. The people

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Speaker 1: it's great. I like the lifestyle. I like to be hot,

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Speaker 1: if I feel like I'm from anywhere. To be honest

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Speaker 1: with you, I always kind of feel a little bit

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Speaker 1: and then you're really an observer. Yeah. But in l

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Speaker 1: but I did fine because I'm very insular and I

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Speaker 1: don't go out a Lot, it's very hard to sort

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Speaker 1: of motivate yourself because you might have to go across

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Speaker 1: quote unquote the cool place, walking outside is interesting. So

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Speaker 1: what do you think about all that distance? Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: it's it's so true. Like in New York. It was

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Speaker 1: It's just different. In l A. It takes like two

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Speaker 1: and and yeah, you can just like to sit in

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Speaker 1: But yeah, it really helped me spread my wings. It

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Speaker 1: made me who I am today. I have no regrets.

427
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Speaker 1: It it complete self growth, like the most amazing time

428
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Speaker 1: of my life. Grad school. I'm going to be completely

429
00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:39,600
Speaker 1: honest with you. It was a waste of time for me.

430
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Speaker 1: It was a waste of time and money. I have

431
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,200
Speaker 1: a master's in fashion journalism because again I thought I

432
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:45,919
Speaker 1: wanted to move to New York to work in fashion,

433
00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,359
Speaker 1: moved to New York. Didn't like New York, didn't like fashion. Okay, um,

434
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,960
Speaker 1: but so that was a real bummer. But as soon

435
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,359
Speaker 1: as I got to grad school, I knew very quickly.

436
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,119
Speaker 1: I was like, this is not this is not a

437
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Speaker 1: good use of my time. So I quickly got I

438
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna work throughout grad school so I

439
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,920
Speaker 1: can try different things. That I was in New York,

440
00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:06,720
Speaker 1: the center of the world. I was like, I gotta

441
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:10,199
Speaker 1: try different things on the side because this isn't worth it.

442
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 1: But Stanford, I'm extremely proud of it. Like I'm extremely

443
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 1: extremely proud of that. I worked very hard in high school, um,

444
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 1: and I really wanted to. You know, I was pretty

445
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,400
Speaker 1: academic in high school. I was pretty nerdy, and then

446
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 1: when I got as soon as I got into Stanford,

447
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna have a break. I've been

448
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 1: busting my ask. I partied NonStop, was president of my sotroority.

449
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely loved it. It It was great. You sound a slightly

450
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 1: um apologetic about not growing up with nothing, Like you

451
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 1: want to be accountable to your following, so you're not

452
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: you know that you were born on second base, not third,

453
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 1: but like you know that you were going on a base.

454
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,679
Speaker 1: I try to hold myself really accountable, and I mean, this,

455
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:56,119
Speaker 1: this is all We're entering such an interesting um like

456
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Speaker 1: time because I always wonder, like how much context are

457
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 1: we asking people to give? Right, I'm going to bring

458
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 1: up an example and we don't have to go that

459
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 1: deep into it. So, for example, the Kim Kardashian thing

460
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 1: when she said get your fucking ass and work whatever,

461
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 1: and people shredded her. They shredded her on the internet

462
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: for a week, and and I was reading the comments,

463
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: and to me, it seemed like, you know, the thing

464
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 1: that they were angry about is that she she grew

465
00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 1: up with money and and she didn't give that context,

466
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 1: and and it really kind of opened this thing to me,

467
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: like in my head of you know, how much context

468
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,679
Speaker 1: are we expected to give? Because I've been misquoted before.

469
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have too, and so I'm always warried,

470
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Speaker 1: like but at the same time, I hate qualifying everything

471
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Speaker 1: that I say, you know what I mean. It's like

472
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Speaker 1: it's gonna make language very difficult if we're constantly qualifying.

473
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Speaker 1: So I try to strike a balance. But listen, my

474
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Speaker 1: parents paying for college is quite important for context, because

475
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: you know, it meant that I entered the world of

476
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Speaker 1: adulthood debt free, and that's not a real real that's

477
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Speaker 1: not a reality for a huge majority of Americans. So

478
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: I do want to be honest about that. Yeah, I

479
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 1: don't think everything's do need context if you're going to

480
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 1: make a dramatic statement like that. I don't think everything

481
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 1: needs context. You're allowed to have a do your bag,

482
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 1: but also have worked hard and been successful like you're.

483
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 1: I mean, many people don't think you are. And there

484
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 1: are many things you can't comment on as a white woman,

485
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 1: and you know, and there are many things that men

486
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Speaker 1: can't comment down as a white man now because it's

487
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: not in to be a man. But there's a million

488
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: things to navigate, as you know. Um, I think people

489
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Speaker 1: just feel like we'll give it to her because she's

490
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: worked her ass on, as I like to say, fully,

491
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: but you can't go too far and start saying that. Listen,

492
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Speaker 1: not until there was some girl on the red carpet, oh,

493
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 1: because always sell Dono was just like, oh, now, I

494
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: guess we go to award shows where people slap each other.

495
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 1: Then everyone was like, oh, hi, I think you were

496
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 1: dating the son of Will Smith or who are you?

497
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: Like if you open your big mouth, something's coming, so

498
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: you know. So that's what I have a big mouth,

499
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 1: trust and I don't call shit, so you know, and

500
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: you know where the line is and you cross it

501
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: sometimes and you take a little heat, but nothing ventured,

502
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 1: nothing gained. Everybody's a filter down, water down, edited, bullshit

503
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 1: version of themselves and not so. Um, and I'm people

504
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 1: know this, I'm sure, Um, what does tinks mean? So?

505
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 1: Tinks is a nickname I've had for over twenty years.

506
00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: I was it's from a movie. There was a character

507
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: in a movie called Tinker Parker and she was really confident,

508
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: and when I was younger, I wasn't that confident. And Um,

509
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: in the movie, she's like she knows how to flirt

510
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: with boys and she's just really loud. And so I

511
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 1: told my friends, like, this is my alter ego now,

512
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: and it just kind of stuck. And so, so your

513
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: friends all call you Tinks. That's like, you're okay? Does

514
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:51,120
Speaker 1: anyone call you by your real name? My mom, my lawyer? Really? Yeah,

515
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 1: that's funny. Um, it's not elite? Is it your legal

516
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: name now? Now? No? No? Okay? So where is the

517
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 1: line in sharing? So, because there was a girl yesterday

518
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 1: on TikTok and she said, I'm in the bathroom and

519
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: it's such tempting. I've been on Housewives. I know what

520
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: it's like for it to be tempting, you know, it's content.

521
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: Everything is content. So she's in the bathroom and she's like,

522
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm about to hook up with this guy and this

523
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: isn't OK. This stuff? Yeah, oh, I didn't even know that.

524
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 1: I just thought this was a person doing this. I

525
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: didn't know that that was like a thing. But then,

526
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: and isn't the guy gonna know? And then, I mean,

527
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: isn't someone going to say to the guy while he's

528
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: in that other room because he's got his phone, there's

529
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: a girl in your bathroom right now with your head

530
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 1: and shoulders danger ship like, so you know, and where

531
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: is the line between like you're sharing it with them

532
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: but not being present with your own life and especially

533
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,439
Speaker 1: for someone like you, your whole life is content and

534
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: this has been the source of an income. Now, so

535
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: how do you stop the faucet? And what about if

536
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: you get involved with someone else who, yes, will buy

537
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: into the fact that this is who you are when

538
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: you meet them, just like when I met Paul. But

539
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 1: there is a line. I mean, they don't know exactly

540
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: how far they're going into this thing. And it's really

541
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: fucking annoying and invasive. It is it is, and it's

542
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: it's trial and error and I'm and I'm still figuring out. Like,

543
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: for example, I don't talk about dating anymore. I did

544
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: when I when my own personal dating life and this

545
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: is who he is? Yeah, like and I and it was,

546
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: by the way, the best content. And that was a

547
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: really difficult let's listen, Dick on the table. That was

548
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: a tough business decision because that that was far and away.

549
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is, but I can't wait

550
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 1: to hear what's on the table? Oh, I mean, like, honestly,

551
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: if I'm going to be honest, I was you did

552
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: called on the table? I like, it's like my favorite phrase.

553
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 1: Um like, no, to be honest, like it was, it

554
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: was far and away the best content. And people loved

555
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: it because you know I would. When I first started out,

556
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't know that where this was going.

557
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: I didn't know how big it was. Yeah, and I

558
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: was nobody, so I was like I made up nicknames.

559
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, well this guy like the new guy,

560
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: and you know, and people, it's amazing content because you're

561
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: following someone's you know, up and down of dating in

562
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: l A. It's very fascinating. But last year I just

563
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: got to a point where I was like, I, first

564
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: of all, it makes dating two complicated for me because

565
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what people's intentions are and I don't

566
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: want someone to ever want to date me because they

567
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 1: want to be in the in the in the content.

568
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,679
Speaker 1: And it also just confused me because sometimes I'd be

569
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: telling my followers about something and it was like it

570
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: just added another dimension, and watching the movie as a director,

571
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: it's exactly exactly and and I just got to a

572
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 1: point where I was like, so for those reasons, and

573
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 1: also I just felt like I give so much to

574
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 1: my followers and I'm happy to I love them more

575
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: than anything I really do. But I just needed one

576
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: thing for me, Like I just needed the personal life

577
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: to stay personal and quiet, and it just made it

578
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: easier for me. So I don't, I don't, but I'm

579
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 1: happy I passed on the lessons. I'll be like, oh,

580
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, I was dating a guy a couple of

581
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: months ago, and this happened or whatever, but not like

582
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: in the same it just was too much um And

583
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: and yeah it's tough. I mean, I I'm not tired

584
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: of sharing yet, I'm not. I'm really love it and

585
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: it's very now actual to me and I never feel

586
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 1: like I have to um, But yeah, I don't know.

587
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: I think I'll see how it goes. I don't. I

588
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: don't have a master plan for this, but so I don't.

589
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm not that aware of a lot of things, like

590
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: I always have to other people have to tell me

591
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: what things are. So I remember when I was going

592
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: on on social media and I think it was TikTok

593
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: and I saw the starterpac thing and I thought that

594
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: was funny. I sent it to my fiance Paul. I

595
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: think it was the one about the West It was

596
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 1: one about the West West Village. But I didn't and

597
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: I think I had seen your name, but like there's

598
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: a lot of people that like collect channel buttons and

599
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,239
Speaker 1: those famous people in muffin Eaters in Africa, to like

600
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, so I didn't know, like there's

601
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: this person Tinks. I didn't know if you were just

602
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: coming through because I had liked one or followed it

603
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: and it was coming again, but I didn't know you

604
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: were like a thing. So um. And I remember someone

605
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: said you should do a collaboration with Tinks and I

606
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: was like what and they were like, oh, she did

607
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: something with Gwyneth Paltrow and I'm like, oh, but it

608
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: was sort of just like these kids think this as

609
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: cool as days, and it was I didn't know what

610
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: they were talking about. So then, um, I guess also,

611
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: because you're in my world, you know, your name starts

612
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: coming up and now like I'm aware of it. And

613
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: this was a couple of months ago when we got

614
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: in touch with each other. But I wonder, like, what

615
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: level of fame are you? Meaning? There have to be

616
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: there have to be guys on on dating apps that

617
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: have no idea who you are, because that's very your,

618
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: very niche and very woman and uh not. You haven't

619
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 1: reached into the male sphere on a full scale yet.

620
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: But I don't know that. Maybe I'm wrong because I

621
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 1: don't know anything, and you've gotten a lot of international press.

622
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: So what level of fame are you? You walking out

623
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: and you're seeing girls at the yogurt store, but you

624
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: at an airport and everyone's coming up like where are

625
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: you in the fame spectrum? That's such an interesting question.

626
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think, Um, I think it's so

627
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: weird because it's like it's it's felt like a slow

628
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 1: progression to me, but everyone keeps saying so fast but

629
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: I have moments where I'm like, wow, this is really crazy,

630
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: Like you know, if someone will try to find out

631
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: where I am, where they'll be waiting for me outside

632
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: and like not everyone is coming up to me in

633
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: an airport, I said, like two or three people and

634
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: her airport visit. Meaning that you can date and have

635
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: someone not know who you are. You're still in that totally.

636
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: But I but I also live in l A. So

637
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: that's like that's the Turkey thing. And yeah, but then

638
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: but then it's linked to your social media and then

639
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: they see and and it's like in l A. I

640
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: kind of I feel like it kind of splits into

641
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: two groups of guys, either guys who are like you,

642
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: she has an online presence I don't want anything to

643
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: do with her, or the guys who were like, oh

644
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 1: my god, she has an she has a blue checkmark

645
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: like I want to you know, it's and and it's

646
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: tricky because I always tell my followers go on dating apps,

647
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: like you know, this is important, this is important to

648
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: you know, if you want to date. It's a numbers game,

649
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: like get yourself out there. But um, I'm definitely you yeah, yeah,

650
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: because that's sort of an unfair. Sometimes it's unfair when

651
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: someone's fully aware of everything about you. When I was

652
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: dating on dating apps, I would I would I would

653
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: try it, and then I would run away. I would

654
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: literally go on and like I feel I felt naked,

655
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: like I'm naked and everyone else clothes on. Yeah, I'd

656
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: go in and and I think that people have no

657
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: idea who I am. These are all like business guys.

658
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: And then a guy would say, well, I mean, you know,

659
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: I have a nice job, and I'm not you know,

660
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: New York. I'm not a New York gos. I'm like, oh,

661
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm at Aristotle Onesis. I'm like, yeah, well, first of all,

662
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: you're instacure, Like I didn't like that. It's it's just

663
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: or it's those like it's those bits, you know, And

664
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: because I talk about dating so much, it's like, you know,

665
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: it's and that that stuff can like really cringe you out.

666
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: You know, you're on a dating app and you you

667
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: imagine the guy you think he's cute, and then he'll

668
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: he'll say to me like, oh, like, am I doing

669
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: box theory or like one of my dating theories And

670
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: I'm just like like I'm just like, you know, it's

671
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: it's really tough. And I get it because like there

672
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: is so much information or there's so much content with

673
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: me in it out there, so I understand it would

674
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: be hard to have to come in with no judgment.

675
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: Like I get that as if I was putting myself

676
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: in their shoes. But for me, I'm just like, um,

677
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. It just creates a weird dynamic.

678
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: There are so many men that have no idea about

679
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: any of this stuff I have. And so just so

680
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, like one peacock is good for you, I

681
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: think you could be like, do you need to find

682
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: some like attractive dork that's successful, that's cool, that doesn't

683
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: that thinks this is all very cute and appreciate your

684
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: business savvy and success. But there's not like no exact

685
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: articles or this stuff that's not that's not that that

686
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: will not work. Um So, now, how much do you

687
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: now care about likes and followers and going viral? Because

688
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: and did you care in the beginning? Have you cared

689
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: at all? Has it been like, oh my god, like

690
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: what has this whole thing been? Like? No? And I

691
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: think it's honestly, it's a combination of um age and

692
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: just experience. But I right away when I started, I thought,

693
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: I this is what I was supposed to do. I'm

694
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 1: an entertainer. I don't know how it's going to go,

695
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: but I know this is what I want to do.

696
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: And from from very early on, I realized the content

697
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: that did the best was when I was truly making

698
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: what I wanted to see. I was just making the

699
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: videos that I want to see. With my podcast, I

700
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: make the podcast I want to listen to. With my

701
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: radio show, I make the radio show I want to

702
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: listen to. With the sweatshirts I make, I make the

703
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: sweatshst that I want to wear. If you start chasing

704
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: what you think other people want, I think that's the death. Now.

705
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: Now you have to think about your audience and how

706
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: to serve them, and I do in a way. I

707
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: think like how can I add value to their lives?

708
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: But specifically with what I'm my content, I'm like, I'm

709
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: gonna make what I wanted to see, and then it

710
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: feels authentic. That's the That's the key to authenticity is

711
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: when you're not thinking like, well, maybe if I make

712
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,479
Speaker 1: a video about this, it will appeal to the finding

713
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: white Space Carol Reds Will once told me on the

714
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: house was I need to find white space. I'm like,

715
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: what is white space? She's like, where there's a void

716
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: and something? I go, what see? I don't. I don't

717
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: agree with that. I I don't. You know. Everyone's like,

718
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: find your you know, find your niche to do this thing,

719
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you're everyone is over complicating it. But

720
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: what's attractive and um charismatic is when people when you

721
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: can tell that people really love doing something, like they

722
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: actually love doing something, whatever it is, and people are like,

723
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: what's your tip for TikTok? I'm like, if you really

724
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: love making oat There's a guy on TikTok who has

725
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: like forty million followers and and he has literally I

726
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: think it's a lot, and he's like oatmeal guy, and

727
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: he just makes new oatmeal every day. So why do

728
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: people love to watch it? Because you can tell he

729
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: genuinely fucking loves oatmeal, just like rice. But but that's

730
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: the thing, It's like, make what you want, you know,

731
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: that's how you stay true to yourself. I I don't overcomplicated.

732
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: I don't try to think like where's the white space

733
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: that you know? Whatever? I just think, what do I want?

734
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: To see, Like, what do I you know, that's my

735
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: north star? Where's so if you're doing what you love,

736
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: it's not really work. Okay, we know that, but like

737
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: and so what's the structure of what you're doing do

738
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: you say, like it's tomorrow's two, I have to post

739
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: six things or are you just winging it all day? Like?

740
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: And then you have other things now, I guess you

741
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: have deals and collaborations and partnership. So that's a separate story. Um,

742
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: where's the structure in this whole business? Like what goes on?

743
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: I post every day because I want to, not because

744
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: I feel like I have to, because it's just like

745
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: it's pouring out of me, like I just it's natural,

746
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: Like I feel I'm a natural storyteller and I love

747
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: to post and that's easy and great. And then yeah,

748
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: I have my business now, I have um my march line,

749
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: I have my radio show, I have all this other

750
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: stuff and I have a great team around me. And

751
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: you have to hire for your weaknesses. I'm not an

752
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 1: organized person. I'm not an organized person. I'm a I'm

753
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: an ideas person. But I like everybody to say, this

754
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: is what you're doing today, this is what you need

755
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: to get done. This is this and there, You've got

756
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: to be here at this time. And I'm like, okay, great,

757
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: just put me in. Okay, So how many people is that?

758
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: And where are there? And then and then you in

759
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: an office. You're doing this at your house? No, I do.

760
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: To my house. I have I have my management team

761
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: of two, I have my assistant, I have my agents, um,

762
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: and then I know that, yeah, and then I have

763
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: my you know, my publicist and and and it's a

764
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: it's a team effort, it really is. And I'm very,

765
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: very very I've been very lucky with the people that

766
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: have come into my life life and that um that

767
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: make up my team now because they get it. It's

768
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, it's like, you know, you have to

769
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: get people who who see the vision and who see you,

770
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: who don't want to change you. They really see your

771
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: path and they understand you and they want to go

772
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: on the journey with you and all that sounds very cheesy,

773
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: but it's true. No, it doesn't sound like cheesy at all.

774
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: But but you're, um, you don't have like a like

775
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: a a production team at your health you shitty little

776
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: lights and everybody else in the country. I make all

777
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: my I make all my content and posting all myself.

778
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: No one has access to my social media because so

779
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: many of my younger girls who follow me like they

780
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: are not even younger. Everybody writes to me very incredibly

781
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: personal dilemmas, and I still try to set aside. When

782
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: I've started, I did an hour of d M S

783
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: a day for advice. But now that I have the show,

784
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: the radio show and the pot, I don't have as

785
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: much time. I still try to do half an hour day.

786
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: So it's all very personal. I post everything myself, but

787
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: they write to me about their deep store your secrets.

788
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: I can, and I would never. My content is like

789
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: my purest self. It's like my purest form. I'm I'm

790
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: actually happiest when everybody leaves and I'm digging around in

791
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: my house and I'm making funny videos on my phone alone,

792
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: like that's or writing stuff alone, you know, writing little jokes,

793
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: writing skits like that stuff is when I'm happiest. So

794
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: so interesting because I do find that it can keep

795
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: you company, like and I mean there's a line with

796
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: that too, like looking at your phone, is that it

797
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: can be an abyss and can be like yucky, like

798
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: meaning you can feel like like you're addict. You're like

799
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: in your phone, you haven't done anything, you haven't breathed there,

800
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: you're like but fiddling around with your oatmeal or being

801
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,399
Speaker 1: in the kitchen like making basil oil and then posting it.

802
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: That feels like being an artist a little bit. It

803
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: feels like being a little creative. But that could keep

804
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: you company, make you not want to interact. So where's

805
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: that line, because that is a line. I'm an, I'm

806
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: an introvert, my house, cannot leave my house. It's yeah,

807
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: I I totally get that. I get really and I

808
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:06,439
Speaker 1: get in on, you know, in kind of a rut. Yeah,

809
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: like I'll get I'll get in a rut. I'll be like,

810
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't leave my house for

811
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: a couple of days, really get in there with the

812
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: phone and feel really connected to the content and the Internet.

813
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: And then for me, though, I I I'm an introvert,

814
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: but I'm also a party animal. Like I've always loved

815
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 1: a party and I'm very open about that. So I'll

816
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: always I'll always go through waves of that and sometimes

817
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: it's a couple of months, Like you know, I'll tell

818
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: my followers like I'm going into hibernation. I did that

819
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: in over like December and January. For six weeks, I

820
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: just watched TV and I was just with my followers,

821
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, like, um, and when I say followers, I

822
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: mean you know my community that it's fun of this

823
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: language is new language of community and platforms. Well, I

824
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: was on a podcast the other day and someone thought

825
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: that I meant followers, like I thought I was Jesus

826
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: or something, and I was like, no, that's social media,

827
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: Like that's what that's what you call them? Like, um,

828
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: so I just want to clarify. But for for they

829
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: were like, this girl is so vain, she thinks she's Jesus.

830
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: I was like, no, that's they mean they followed my

831
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: content anyway, Clara exactly. Um. You know, for six weeks,

832
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: I was just like all I would was doing was

833
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: reviewing TV and and my followers actually love when I'm

834
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: home because they love that content. Because I love to

835
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: react to things. I love to be like look at

836
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: watching this, watching that, This is what I think about.

837
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: This is my hot take on that. Um. But then

838
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: I'll go out and I'll have, you know, a couple

839
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: of weeks of party. And I love to I love

840
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 1: to let off steam. I love to go out, love

841
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: to so it goes it's different. But you know, I

842
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: think that's really interesting and I've never heard someone say

843
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: it like that before. But you're completely right. You articulated

844
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: it so well. It can keep you company. And by

845
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 1: the way, when the pandemic hit and I first downloaded TikTok,

846
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: that's exactly what it was for me because I was

847
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: I had no one, like, none of my friends would

848
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: see me. Everyone's scared of COVID, like what we all

849
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: thought we were gonna die like I was, so I

850
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: was so out of my mind that I was like,

851
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: I need, I need something, and that that's what it came.

852
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: And I think that's why I have such an emotional

853
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: relationship to my content and my followers, because I was

854
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: like forged in the darkness and like that we went

855
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: through that together. It's interesting. I didn't know it then.

856
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: I didn't. I knew it a couple of years ago.

857
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: I told my someone that I worked with about that.

858
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: I thought TikTok was interesting. This is like before the

859
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: damilia like people, and they were like, it's really for

860
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: eight to thirteen year old it's not for you. But

861
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: I was intrigued by it, but I didn't even have

862
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: a computer or an iPad or anything, so I didn't

863
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: understand it. And it's funny that you say that because

864
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: of the whole pandemic and I went through something excruciating

865
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: with my my, my, my daughter and custody and stuff,

866
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: but the whole pandemic, it was myself, my daughter, my

867
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: two dogs. Literally hold up. And I'm glad I didn't

868
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: understand it because it would have it would have been

869
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: that would have been something I would have been feeding

870
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: into and that I was just feeding into my daughter

871
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: and dogs. But you didn't have that, And that's just

872
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: an interesting I will never take that time back. But

873
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 1: given how strong it is in my mind, I can

874
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 1: imagine how strong it is in your and your followers,

875
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: your apostles mine. So yeah, um, what are so people

876
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: are big on TikTok are always sort of posting the

877
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: shitty comment that someone says, are really getting aggravated and

878
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: want to get into that with everybody, So, um, are

879
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 1: there a lot of trolls? And um? Because I haven't

880
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: really experienced that, like one or two bad comments, but

881
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: I hear you and a lot of people talk about

882
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: these trolls. How bad is that? And what are your

883
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: biggest compliments and what are your biggest criticisms. Yeah, it

884
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: comes in waves. It will come in waves. And I

885
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 1: don't know if it literally comes in waves or it's

886
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: or if it's just like you are paying attention to

887
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 1: it in waves because listen, when you when you read

888
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: the comments, it's ego, right, that's and I've had a

889
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: lot of therapy about this because it is, it is.

890
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: It is very psychologically damaging. I think, I think, let

891
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: me back up and say, I think it's psychologically damaging

892
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 1: to read that much about yourself on a daily basis

893
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: good or bad. Right, Like, I don't I don't really

894
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: know what it's doing to my brain to hear, to

895
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: to read a hundred and fifty comments tinks you're so pretty,

896
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: you're the best of yourself, and then one being like

897
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 1: you're such a bit I I hate you, blah blah blah,

898
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: all this stuff like and they could be all kissing

899
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: yours and that one person could be right, like you think,

900
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 1: it's just it's a weird thing. So so it comes

901
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: on waves. Listen, there's some really really mean comments. Um,

902
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: there's some really mean trolls. For me, it's not for me.

903
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: It's not about Um, I don't get triggered by the

904
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: you're fat, you're ugly thing anymore. Like I'm like, okay,

905
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: Like that's just so lame, Like I don't that doesn't

906
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: face me anymore. To me, it's like when people. I

907
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: can sometimes get triggered when people purposefully it seems like

908
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: misunderstand me or or kind of you know, I don't know,

909
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: they take a joke wrong or something like that, like

910
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: that can really get under my skin. Um, but it's

911
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's so interesting because we always say, now, oh,

912
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: it comes with the territory, right, And sometimes I think,

913
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: why have we just accepted that? Like why have we

914
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: just accepted that? Because I put myself out there and

915
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: I'm public now I should be um open to just

916
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: like this level of criticism. Like can you imagine if

917
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: if all of a sudden, we were like, well, now

918
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: for everyone who's an accountant, you're going to have ten

919
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: people who stand them behind them while they do their accounting,

920
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,240
Speaker 1: just being like you're a fat, you're ugly, you're stupid,

921
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: you're this, you're that. Like why do we just say oh,

922
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: it comes with the territory like it's because it's been

923
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: public extreme rise in a short period of time and

924
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 1: people are miserable and jealous, and how great for them

925
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: for one second to say something nasty that makes them

926
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: feel powerful and then for you to take the bait.

927
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: It worked. I mean, it happens with little kids all

928
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 1: the time. Why do the little boys hit little girls

929
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: that they like? Like people just want to get a

930
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: rise they need they like, you know, people are are

931
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 1: vile and people are mirrors they see you know, why

932
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: you why not them? I mean, you know, it's it's interesting.

933
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: I just think, yeah, it is interesting. I mean sometime

934
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 1: sometimes it's not even like sometimes it's it's the nonsensical

935
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: comments that get to me the most because I think

936
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: it it triggers something in me where it's almost like

937
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: it's not even about me, but I'm like I want

938
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: to reach out to that person and say, your life

939
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: must be so bad if you have if this is

940
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: where you took it, Like someone made a video about me.

941
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example, like two days ago and

942
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: they were like, um, the way that Tinks was touching

943
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: her eyeglasses, like is so wrong? And then everyone's commenting yeah,

944
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: like I don't think she actually has a prescription like

945
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: she has. And I was like, and it's to me.

946
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: I can't explain to you the feeling that it triggered

947
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: at me because I was like, um, the fact that

948
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 1: you made a video thinking I was lying about having

949
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: to wear glasses like which I'm not. I'm not sensitive

950
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: about it at all, but I've worn eyeglasses for ten

951
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: years and I wear contact lenses every day. And I

952
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: was just like, so, why like why did you spend

953
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: time of your day doing this? Like right, But you're

954
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: also like why do I care? I've had I love

955
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: You're You're like, why do you care that this idiot

956
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: said this? She says you're a purple class? What does

957
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: that mean? What does it mean? Last night you're losing

958
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: your hair? Okay, this is my hair. You're losing your

959
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: hair that comes with age. It's I know it does,

960
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: thank you for pouring that out. But then you're just

961
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: like you know or something. I had like oil on

962
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: my face because at night I put oil. If it's

963
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: I didn't disclaimer, I didn't send out a newsletter, but

964
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: I had like a bomb on my face. Why is

965
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: your face to always so greasy. I don't even have

966
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: oil skin. Like now I'm like worried about the fact

967
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: that I, like I have greasy skin, dry skin. I

968
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: guess it's like it's just like it's so you know,

969
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: and it's just so silly, and I you know, when

970
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: I started out, I really had a hard time with it.

971
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: In the beginning, I was like because it's it was shocking,

972
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: and it came on so fast, and I had never

973
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: experienced anything like it. And I really worked hard in therapy.

974
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: And now I'm in a pretty good place where I'm

975
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: like pretty, I'm pretty just I don't really care anymore.

976
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't really read the comments, like if

977
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: you don't, if you don't like me, like that's cool,

978
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: just scroll and And the thing that I always come

979
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: back to that that really helps me to mantra is

980
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: like no one more happy or more successful than me

981
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: would ever talk down to me, like you know what

982
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, no one, no one, no one who's

983
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: killing it is ever going to be like your this

984
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: or that things, You're not funny like the only people

985
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: it's It's really helped me. It's really that's a great note.

986
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 1: It's a great note. Wow, um, what is the big picture?

987
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: This is an interesting career and do you are you

988
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: do you worry about the big picture? Do you have

989
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: a big grand plan or do you are you putting

990
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: one foot in front of the other and and just

991
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 1: enjoying the moment and seeing what happens. It's a mix.

992
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 1: There's a lot I want to accomplish, There's a lot,

993
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: a lot, a lot um but I'm you know, I'm

994
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: also taking it one one day at a time and

995
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to enjoy the process and I'm trying to enjoy.

996
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: Like I can be a very goal oriented person and

997
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: like I set the goal or the thing that I

998
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: want to do, and then I'm a very tunnel vision.

999
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 1: But that is quite exhausting for me, and it also

1000
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: makes it you know, that's not what life is. Life

1001
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: is actually in between, right, It's actually the days where

1002
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: you're just like, you know, one percent better, You're just

1003
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: working on something. It's like, that's life. It's not actually

1004
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: the day you want to the podcast, It's that it's

1005
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: all the days leading up to it. So um, I

1006
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: think the big picture is I love what I do.

1007
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: I can't wait to grow up with my followers. I

1008
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: can't wait to you know, speak to them on new

1009
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: platforms in new ways. And I want to do them all.

1010
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: I mean I always joke like aside from a singing career,

1011
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: I want it all, um. And but I'm also just

1012
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: trying to be present and be grounded and be like

1013
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: whoa this is? I'm really in a happy It's so funny,

1014
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: Like for women, it's so hard for us to say

1015
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: this stuff because I never want to feel you know,

1016
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: but I feel very grateful right now and I feel

1017
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: very happy with my life. And um, I'm just trying

1018
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: to enjoy it and work really hard and work on

1019
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: the next, the next thing. Do you want to be

1020
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: on TV? Do you want to talk show? Do you

1021
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: want that other medium? Or I want new mediums? Yeah,

1022
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: I want I want new mediums. I want to do movies,

1023
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: I want to do TV. I want to do it all. Um.

1024
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: You know, I think at the core of everything I

1025
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: do with storytelling, and I'm especially obsessed with connecting with

1026
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: other women through um, you know, the joint experience of

1027
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: what it is to be a woman. So I think,

1028
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: like you know, exploring those stories in different mediums and

1029
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: and talking to my followers in new ways. Um, is

1030
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: what I'm really focused on. Is there real money and

1031
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: what you're doing, Like is this has it become real?

1032
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: Like do you feel like, wow, I can kind of

1033
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: do what I want? Or are you still super frugal

1034
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 1: and have poor mentality? Like where are you in that

1035
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: whole noise about money? I just feel so um. I

1036
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: just feel so proud like that I can that I

1037
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: can live my life now and I do treat myself sometimes, yeah,

1038
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: I do. I but like I said this morning on

1039
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: my show, I said, like, because I'm taking home, I'm

1040
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: taking ten friends to Coachella and I got I got

1041
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: the house, I got the artist passed for us, and like,

1042
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: to me, the number one greatest thing that has come

1043
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: out of all this is like my followers and my

1044
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: relationship with them and like what I how I can

1045
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: connect with women. The second best thing I'm going to

1046
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: be honest is like being able to treat my friends

1047
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,240
Speaker 1: is to me like sex. It's like the best feeling

1048
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: in the world. It's so fun, Like it makes it

1049
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: so fun and they're all so fun and it's just like,

1050
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, they were there for me in different times

1051
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: of my life when I was just like, you know,

1052
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: crying and being like a loser and like not knowing

1053
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: what was going on, and to be able to do

1054
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: things for the people that you love is the best

1055
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: feeling in the world. And it's very cool. And it's

1056
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: just like, like, to me, that's cooler than buying a

1057
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 1: bag of course, you know, yeah, it's amazing. I love that. Well, um,

1058
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: that little microphone thing, whether you invented it or not,

1059
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: is that a bit or that's a real thing? Does

1060
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: that function? Is there functions? Functions you don't need? You

1061
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: don't need it. I just like, I'll be honest, there

1062
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: was not any great strategy when I ordered it. I

1063
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: was like in quarantine and I was like, you know,

1064
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: I was like drinking wine one night and I was

1065
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh my god, well I'm like a mini reporter,

1066
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: Like how fun That's what I thought that. Yeah, I

1067
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: was like, I just think it's so funny to like

1068
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: hold it. And I also I kind of have like

1069
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,399
Speaker 1: a little bit of a lisp and someone commented like, oh,

1070
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 1: you should do a SMR and I was like, maybe

1071
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: got one of those mini microphones. And then I just

1072
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: started holding it and became my thing. So I wish

1073
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: that there was some great strategy. But it was I

1074
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: just didn't know. I was so dumb in the beginning.

1075
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,959
Speaker 1: I thought people needed it to do whatever tech they would.

1076
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: It's a bit yeah, okay, I didn't know if it

1077
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: was a bit. Okay, we have a big problem here.

1078
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: It's very important. One. You like chopped salads. Ili And

1079
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: I was the hostess at Lascala just so you know, okay,

1080
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: and I got a free twenty one dollar salad every

1081
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: day because I loaded everything on it. Because you know

1082
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: if you've been there that you add on and the turkey,

1083
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: and they had on for everything. It only comes to salami,

1084
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 1: provolone and chickpeas and that dressing and iceberg, which is

1085
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: so cheap. So and I used to get it with romaine,

1086
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,760
Speaker 1: which is much more. But I never understood chopping salad

1087
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: because it becomes water. You're like, it's like a smoothie

1088
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: of salad. That's one I want to get into with you. No,

1089
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 1: there's I know you think it's truffle. It's not just

1090
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: truffle salad in a cup. Like I'm also offended you

1091
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: put salads and cups so you like eating salad out

1092
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: of us. I'm secondary like, very offended by that and

1093
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: three saying just as a blanket statement, just a blanket

1094
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: statement that you don't like truffle, Like, these are bones

1095
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: to pick. I have a couple of questions after that,

1096
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: but they're not as important. So those are bones bones

1097
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: to pick, Like soggy salad truffle. I just like a

1098
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: big trough of salad that's small and I eat. I

1099
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: like to eat it with a spoon so I can

1100
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: shovel it in and it's all like mixed up, because

1101
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: I need every bite to have every single piece of flavor.

1102
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: And from my thinking, like if the salad is chopped

1103
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: and the bits are smaller than the surface area that's

1104
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: covered by the dressing is greater, that's fair. But the

1105
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,479
Speaker 1: and the mix of water, but that that makes some sense.

1106
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: It's you're lathering you like a spato. I love a caspao. Yeah,

1107
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: I love it. I love yeah. But I love salads

1108
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: so much, like in a really non ironic way, I

1109
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: just like it's I fucking love salad. And then the

1110
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: trouffle thing. Listen, I don't like a trouffle fry, but

1111
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: I do like a truffle pasta, a truffle risotto. Sure, fresh,

1112
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: but it has to be. You know, hate to sound douchy,

1113
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: but like to me, when I think of truffle fries,

1114
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: I think of like those like awful brunches that I

1115
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: would go to in New York City, like on a

1116
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: Saturday morning, and it's like a big cavern and it

1117
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 1: smells like feet, and then it's like not real truffle fry.

1118
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: It's like, damn, it's truffle perfuct. And then I'm like,

1119
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 1: like thinking about that. But if you're getting out the

1120
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 1: fucking thing, if you're walking over my table, pulling out

1121
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: the rock, telling me you bought it from Italy, shaving

1122
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: it on my pasta, absolutely I'm because I didn't want

1123
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: to call you out. Imagine I see you in a

1124
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: restaurant and you're eating truffle, and then I'll be able

1125
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: to know truffle trolls. Fact like a truffle troll apostle. Um.

1126
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: So all right, well, I understand the spoon in the salad.

1127
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: Whenever I'm not gonna ad, It's like I wanted you

1128
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: just drink get a curing and put some fucking salad

1129
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: in it and drink salad coffee. It's disgusting. I can't

1130
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: even think about it. Gross, um, so what has been

1131
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: your rose and your thorn um of all this? Truly, truly,

1132
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,880
Speaker 1: the connections that I have with with people, like the

1133
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: girls who come up to me and say, you know,

1134
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: like like a girl that I haven't um, I haven't

1135
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: seen her since college and she texts men and we

1136
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: weren't close in college, but she texts me to get hey,

1137
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: I you know, I still had your numbers somehow. I

1138
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: just want you to know I was engaged and I

1139
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, I knew it wasn't right in my heart,

1140
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: and through following you, I kind of got the courage

1141
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: to leave him because you always say you're not too

1142
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: old and it's not too late, and you know, you

1143
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: really taught me a lot about self worth. Or like

1144
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: I was at a wedding, this girl came up to me,

1145
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,439
Speaker 1: she said, you know, I have had a really tough

1146
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: time in life, and I finally got up the courage

1147
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 1: to go to therapy because you said therapy was cool.

1148
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: Like I fucking live for that ship. Everything like that.

1149
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: The individual connections I have every time that I that I,

1150
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: you know, help someone out, like with a even a

1151
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: mental trick whatever, Like it's that's the roads the thorn is, um,

1152
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I'm a very I'm a very

1153
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: optimistic person. I'm a very like, yeah, I don't know,

1154
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: I don't have a thorn. I don't have a thorn.

1155
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm very grateful. I I I've just grown immensely as

1156
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: a person over the last two years. I feel very lucky, Like, um, yeah,

1157
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a thorn. I love it.

1158
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: And then I guess just the last question is the

1159
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: percentage because lucky and smart? What percentage are you lucky?

1160
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 1: And what percentage is smart? That is a really really

1161
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: tough one. Um yeah, I kind of believe like you

1162
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 1: make your own luck a little bit like I kind

1163
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: of believe people, especially with careers in the public eye.

1164
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: Jenakkin talks a lot about this too. People are always like, oh,

1165
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, she's just like right place, right time, you

1166
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: know whatever. But it's like a lot of who's j

1167
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:45,959
Speaker 1: And I've heard the name, but I don't know she's

1168
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: she's a massive celebrity hairstylist and she has her own

1169
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 1: line and she's Yeah, she's wrote wrote an amazing book

1170
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: really about working and a work ethic, and I really

1171
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: admire her. But She always says, like, you know, people

1172
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: just think, oh, you know, they're just prettier, they were

1173
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: in the right space, space at the right time, or

1174
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: you know whatever. But um, yeah, that's a tough one.

1175
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: I think of a good mix. I think I've been

1176
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: very lucky in my life. But I but I know,

1177
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: you got to know when to make hay while the

1178
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: sun shines, you got the show up exactly. You've got

1179
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: to be ready and waiting. And like, I think that

1180
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: that's part of it. Is what I've been able to

1181
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 1: do over the past two years is because it's like

1182
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: I knew the feeling when right away I was like

1183
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: it hit and I was like this is it, and

1184
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: you go, you know, it's like the way the set

1185
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: is coming, you have to ride all those ways to

1186
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: the IPCT. Yeah, because I've been I've been floating out there.

1187
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: I've been floating and I'm like, where what's going on?

1188
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: And in those moments, I try to tell tell people like,

1189
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: you know, if if there's nothing right in front of you,

1190
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: it's okay, don't struggle, don't just sit in the water

1191
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: and flail and be like whatever. But when you see

1192
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: that wave coming, you get on your fucking board, you

1193
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: put your eyes forward and you go that you're ready,

1194
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: and then when you're you know then and the tables

1195
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: are high, you press your bets you're at those. Yeah,

1196
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: well we're similar and we've had interestingly similar trajectors. As

1197
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: I talked to you, I didn't know much about you,

1198
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: but I remember being on Housewives and talking about to

1199
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: this guy about moving in and on camera because he

1200
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to be on the show, but the audience

1201
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: doesn't know that. He was like, we'll talk about this later,

1202
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 1: and I'm like, but aren't we gonna move in? Like

1203
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: a k the producers want me to talk about this

1204
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: even and he's like, we'll talk about it later. I

1205
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: kept digging myself in deeper and back to high school,

1206
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: and it wasn't cool to be the one who got

1207
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: broken up with the way that I came up, Like

1208
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: you're sitting here getting sort of broken up with Ish

1209
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: and the the viewers where you are Harry Bradshaw and

1210
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 1: I became flawed and I became real and it feels

1211
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 1: like that's what you are. So you're flawed and people

1212
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: are feeling good about that. Trying to be perfect, which

1213
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: is what most people are trying to be and so

1214
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: I applaud that. And also you publicly mentioned be Strong

1215
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: relief effort. So the ice cream that we did, we're

1216
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: going to give the proceeds to UM to be strong.

1217
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: And I just what you do is so amazing thing

1218
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: and it's it's genuinely inspiring. It's and what I like

1219
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 1: about it. You know, when everything when the tragedy started happening,

1220
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's another conversation, but I looked,

1221
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, they say look for the helpers. You're a helper.

1222
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: You are doing You're saying exactly where the money is going,

1223
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: exactly the impact it's having your and you are a

1224
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: operations you are you know how to execute, you know

1225
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: how to get shipped done, and that's the best thing

1226
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: that that we need right now. So I want to

1227
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: thank you for everything UM that that you've done. It's

1228
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: really amazing work and I'm really really happy to support it. Well.

1229
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and that's you. You have a Sunday

1230
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: at Craig's called the Tank Sunday, your own ice cream

1231
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: because it's in its vegan UM. But I appreciate that

1232
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 1: because one of the things I will say celebrities post

1233
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 1: links of something that somebody else says that they're doing

1234
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: and I see it and there's always a middle person.

1235
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: So people like you who have influencers are saying, go

1236
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: donate here, but it's not you that doing it. So

1237
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: you're telling them to go donate, and often the people

1238
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: don't know where that money is going if that makes

1239
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: it So I'm like, no, I'm in charge of the money.

1240
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:11,439
Speaker 1: Like it's being run like a business, and most people

1241
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: aren't good business people, so why would most or be good?

1242
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: So I know there's like you know, there's links flying

1243
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 1: and there's just so much noise, and I'm like, I'm like,

1244
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: I want to give my money to someone who knows

1245
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: what then they're doing and how to make an impact.

1246
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: End of story. It's it's actually we are streamlined, we

1247
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: are economical, we're organized, and I just appreciate that because

1248
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: I see a lot of them like, oh my god,

1249
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: why do they give the goes to not the effort.

1250
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: I get fascinated. You know, you're amazing. You're amazing seated

1251
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: my expectations, which means guy, So I can't wait to

1252
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 1: meet you in person. I'm in l A in June.

1253
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: I have an event, maybe I'll come. It's I love that.

1254
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: I admire you so much. Thank you, this is a

1255
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: great this is a great talk. Than Thank you so much.

1256
00:57:50,880 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: Have a great day. So I didn't know what to

1257
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: expect from the Tinks interview. I mean, she's interesting, she's successful,

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Speaker 1: she seems fun and sassy and smart. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: a lot about her. I just know that I'm aware

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Speaker 1: of her, and she reminds me of me, a younger me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's crazy. I've never said that about another guest.

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Speaker 1: I've never said about another guest that they remind me

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Speaker 1: of me when I was much younger. But uh, Tinks

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Speaker 1: was really honest, confident, sure of herself in a good way,

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Speaker 1: comfortable in her own shoes, vulnerable, flawed, wise, connected, connected.

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Speaker 1: She really keeps going back to being connected to her followers,

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Speaker 1: to um this audience that really helped to make her

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Speaker 1: who she is. It's really amazing. I applaud her success,

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Speaker 1: congratulate her, and she's just shows that anything's really possible,

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Speaker 1: you can make anything happen. So I really enjoyed that

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Speaker 1: a lot. Thank you for listening, Rate, review and subscribe.

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Speaker 1: But we are killing it and I'm so excited and

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Speaker 1: I owe it all to you, yah h.