1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just keep a real straight shout with Jason. 2 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a little bit rougher. I'm here for it. 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: Those who really believe in the American process, all of us. 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: Straight Shot No Chaser? What's your girl? Tesselam Figurer on 5 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: The Black Effect podcasting that word Network's having everybody. This 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: is Tesla Figurro on another episode of a straight Shot 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: No Chaser today. I am excited because I have a 8 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: personal friend of mine, one of the smartest men that 9 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: I know, that I've been knowing for a very, very 10 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: long time. Haven't had a chance to sit down with 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: him and chop it up, and he is here today. 12 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: Dr last McCarthy is a nationally recognized faith based economists 13 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: and investment advisor with a specialty and urban development. Dr 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: McCarthy has assisted nonprofit organizations, churches, corporations, professional athletes, and 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: cities with economic development and financial plan His public policy research, 16 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: fortune one D experience, entrepreneurial endeavors, and nonprofit initiatives give 17 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: him insight into our nation's most pressing problems. I met 18 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: him back in two thousand five or six. I believe 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,119 Speaker 1: in Orlando, Florida. My political stomping ground. I met Dr 20 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: McCarthy when he was the CEO of the Urban League. 21 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: Always tell this quick story. I won't bore everybody long, 22 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: but he is one of the first people that believed 23 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: in me as an entrepreneur. I was laid off in 24 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: two thousand seven from a Deco, the largest staff and 25 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: firm in the world. Here I was with going through 26 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: recession at the time. As we went into two thousand 27 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,960 Speaker 1: and eight, I had a newborn on my hip, I 28 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: was going through a divorce and did not know what 29 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: else to do. At the time because it was a recession, 30 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: I could not find a job because there were no jobs. 31 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: So I decided to start a staff and firm myself. 32 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: Who does that, doctor who starts the staffing firm in 33 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: a recession when nobody is hiring me? And I did 34 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: that because I believe that I could do it better 35 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: uh than my former employers, which was a Deco first 36 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: largist AM firm in the world, Robert Half which was 37 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 1: the third largest having firm in the world. And I 38 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: just believe that there was a better model. They could 39 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: offer hiring, training and retaining through conflict resolution. And Dr 40 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: McCarthy at the time was organizing the National Urban League Convention. 41 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: That was the first time that then Senator Barack Obama 42 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: was on the stage with Senator McCain and Dr McCarthy 43 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: convinced UH the Urban League to bring it to Orlando, 44 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: and no one could get volunteers together. And I said, hey, 45 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: Dr McCarthy, give me an opportunity to do it. I'm 46 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: gonna use the staffing model the same way that I 47 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: recruit I'm going to use that same model to bring 48 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: in volunteers. And in three weeks I was able to 49 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: recruit over three hundred volunteers. They worked all the way 50 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: from five am to two am in the morning. I 51 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: still remind Mark Marial of that every single time I 52 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: see him. I know you think I'm crazy because I'm 53 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: still talking about that, but I want to know, Hey, 54 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: I saved your ass back back in two but had 55 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: an opportunity to do that three hundred people started. I 56 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: told those individuals, in three years or less, you would 57 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: be working. I remember at the time, and you remember, Doctor, 58 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: everybody came, and especially politicians. That's when I really got 59 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: my political teeth because they said, wow, you know you 60 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: can organize folks, and so to a politician that's like 61 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: gold and they all said, why don't you start a 62 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: nonprofit and I said, no, I want to make sure 63 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: that I give these people an opportunity to be paid. 64 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: And I promised them in three years or less, I 65 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: would give a paycheck. And that's exactly what happened those 66 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: same three hundred volunteers. I was able to make my 67 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: employees by two thousand ten. On ten ten, two thousand ten, 68 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: ten people started at the Amway Center in Orlando. And 69 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: that is my story on how I became Orlando Business 70 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: Journal winner in two thousand twelve and two thousand ten. 71 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: And I credit Dr McCarthy for giving me that opportunity, 72 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: never stressing, never never stressed me. Knew I could do it, 73 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: said that's fine, Tans. If you say you can do it, 74 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: do it. I was doubted so much to the point 75 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: where a mutual friend of ours, Roger Codwell, who you know, 76 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: I remind every time I see him, he wrote an article. 77 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: Everybody at the table said it's no way she can 78 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: do it. There's no way she could do it. And 79 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: I was able to get it done. And Roger wrote, 80 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: I think that was the first time that my company 81 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: had been featured in the media, and he wrote the 82 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: ally group failure, It's not an option. So that is 83 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: how one of the many ways I came to be 84 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: who I am in staffing, who I am in in 85 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: human resources, and more importantly of really being able to 86 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: have an opportunity to give something back to the community, 87 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: UH in a way to put money in their pocket. 88 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: And that's what I have you here today. You were 89 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: the first person that I ever met that said just 90 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 1: because you're a nonprofit doesn't mean you you cannot be profitable. 91 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: So welcome to the show. Dr McCarty, glad to be here, Tess. 92 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: I appreciate that story. It's all about relationships and innovation, 93 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: and I knew from the beginning that you had to 94 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: skill set. It was no question, and I appreciate what 95 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: you did then and what you've come to be now. 96 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thank you so much. I know saying 97 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: like I was bragging about myself, but it really was 98 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: about you and giving you the flowers when all the 99 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,679 Speaker 1: haters say that I couldn't do it. All it takes 100 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: is one one yes, one yes. I've been dealing with 101 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: that hated race since I was five days. There's no 102 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 1: fun drinking spitted back out and bring love. That's all. 103 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: That's the best revenge period. Yes, it is. We had 104 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: a great time in Orlando. I'm just laughing because I'm 105 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: thinking about all the meetings and you remember you were 106 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: set up meetings like a New Jack City and I 107 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: was the only female to rock a my baby in 108 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: the building. Yeah. So you were always a visionary and 109 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: and at that time, you know, I was sharing this 110 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: with some mutual friends. You were different to the Urban League. 111 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: Really had a vision always, as you know, looking ahead 112 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: ten years ahead of the game, fifteen years ahead of 113 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: the game. Which is why I want to talk to 114 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: you about black tech, which is obviously in technology, you're 115 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: ahead of the game. So how did you start really 116 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 1: tapping into that? Dr McCarthy and and and the importance 117 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: of black tech and and where we are now? You 118 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: did a TED talk that I would encourage people to 119 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: see that talks about diversity and you know, black tech 120 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: and how important we are you know, part of that 121 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 1: that puzzle. But just kind of give us a breakdown 122 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: on what made you, you know, kind of move into 123 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: that area and and drill down there in one of 124 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: the many areas that you deal with. Yes, thanks, Well, 125 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: I started way back in nine. Being from St. Louis, UH, 126 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: we had a lot of military contractors Boying, Geral Dynamics, etcetera. 127 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: And I was very fortunate to be appointed to President 128 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: Clinton's Times Force on Economic Conversion that was leveraging military 129 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: technology to the private sector. And I said, what issue 130 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: is It's not just transferring technology but making sure the 131 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: African Americans are part of it. So I did my 132 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: first urban technology part back in St. Louis and ninety 133 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: five the money came out of the Defense Department on 134 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: how we could train African Americans and technology. So from 135 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: that point on, I made a mission to be able 136 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: to look at emerging technologies, to look at how we 137 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: can incorporate that into urban communities and provide the skill 138 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: set for our people. So everybody has a phone and 139 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: we all have the access information every twenty four hours, 140 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: but creativity becomes the economic indicator. And it's been my 141 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: goal to share with African Americans how we can use 142 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: their creativity, how we can use the understanding of technology. 143 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: And I tell kids, if you can play the game, 144 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: you can make the game. So it has been since 145 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: nine looking at opportunities of how we look at emerging technology, 146 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: how we're able to tap into it, own it and 147 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: be able to create jobs all across the country and 148 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: across the world. Not only is it innovation that's important, 149 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: but it's also a mechanisman to grow black walk. Okay, 150 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: and so as we talk about now everything being technology, 151 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: stem cell research, Uh, the importance of having diversity. One 152 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: of the things that you and I talked about offline 153 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: with Silicon Valley still only has one percent of diversity 154 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: within is that Are you saying this profitable diversity or 155 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: explain that to me on what is the what is 156 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: the missing link in silicon and also what is diversity 157 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: mean because one of the things that I know I 158 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: experienced with being a contractor minority women business entrepreneur, a 159 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: lot of that stuff gets deluded for black folks, you know, 160 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: because obviously white folks can apply, you know, white women 161 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 1: can apply. Uh, you know, there's a lot of games 162 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: with allowing one minority to be fifty one owner of 163 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: the company. So we see a lot of that on 164 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: the back end. So first, before you explaining Silic com 165 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: Valley and only one percent, what does diversity mean to 166 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: you and how how does that apply to black folks 167 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: and how do we find our niche and diversity without 168 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: kind of getting lost loss in the sauce. First of all, 169 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: diversity is truly profitable if it's done correctly. If you 170 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: have a representative of your company that represents the consumer 171 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: base that you're dealing with this, it's gonna be profitable 172 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: because we can understand each other. But diversity has to 173 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: come from the top. It's not the going out and 174 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: hiring an African American to lead diversity initiatives and go 175 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: out and give chicken Nigger dinner tickets, you know, out 176 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: the year. It is coming from the top and really 177 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: integrating of how you're making sure that your board, your management, 178 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: your consumers, every part is a part of diversity because 179 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: it's gonna make you more profitable. The more you understand 180 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: your consumer, the more you're gonna be to be profitable. 181 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: And unfortunately a lot of corporations just window dressed and 182 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: don't really have true diverse city from not only procurement, 183 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: but also from hiring and products. Uh. And so it's 184 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: been proven that again diversity from all mechanism around the 185 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 1: world black people, how do we use that in corporate 186 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: America and make sure that it's seating the bottom line 187 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: and representing the other consumers as well as your corporation. 188 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: That's interesting you said that, because I'm just thinking about, 189 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, our podcast network, the Black Effect podcast network. 190 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: I believe sixty or seventy of the podcast listener is white. 191 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: And so when they started talking about when Charlottagne talked 192 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: about how, you know, we need a black network, one 193 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: of the things that was important to my heart and 194 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: I know, uh why I got partnered with Marcy uh 195 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: not even just having black podcasters, but also having black producers, 196 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: having black people all the way throughout the process, because 197 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: it does make a difference on the type of content 198 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: that you're delivering, on the type of you know, overall product, 199 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: which will then result in increasing profits. Because we're bringing 200 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: more profits, we're bringing more listeners. And I tell people 201 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: all the time to subscribe to the podcast for their 202 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: reason because it is a technology you know thing getting 203 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 1: into technology, you know, just sitting down listen to the 204 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: radio anymore. Those days are over with. But we have 205 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: to be able to show that black people actually want 206 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: this type of information, and we actually have I want 207 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: to say, we have a podcast that is specifically dedicated 208 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: to tech. Our money one of the two, if my 209 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: memory serves beencorrectly. But I'm saying that to say that 210 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: we've been able to show at the Black Fair Podcast 211 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: Network that there is you know, listeners out there that 212 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: want to hear this content, not just gossip, not just 213 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: what's going on in entertainment, you know, politics, tech, economics, money, religion, 214 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: mental health, all of those things that the Blackfail Podcast Network. 215 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: And I just wanted to point that out because Marcy 216 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: and I talked about all the time, you know, how 217 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: the advocating is always important to make sure that you're 218 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: pairing you know, producers as well, you know, with those shows, 219 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 1: and so you've been able to show companies, especially with 220 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: that Ted talk that you did, on how it does 221 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: make more sense to have diversity because it brings more dollars. 222 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: So why do you think they fight that then, doctor, Well, 223 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: people still a fearful and fearful of change, and when 224 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: you've been controlling for so long, it's very difficult to 225 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: give that up. But again, studies show that diversity is profitable. 226 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: It's not just the right thing to do, it's gonna 227 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: make you more money. And when you're talking that language, 228 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: they begin to understand a little bit more. But it 229 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: has to again, it has to come to the top. 230 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: It can't be a sideline position of someone just with 231 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: a title the CEO of the corporation and the board 232 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: needs be behind diversity initiatives. And what about the black 233 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: folks that's really not black folks that are in this position. 234 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: Let's talk about that a second, Like, how does that 235 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: do you factor that in on on because a lot 236 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: of times that they will get a face that looks black, 237 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: but it's not necessarily connected to the ground on what 238 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: the people are saying. And so how do I remember 239 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: one of the things that you may not remember this, 240 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 1: but when I was recruiting the volunteers the quote unquote firm, 241 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: I guess they knew what they were talking about. They said, well, 242 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: we want everybody to wear khaki pants. I don't know 243 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 1: if you remember that, and it was a big thing. 244 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: And I said, Dr McCarthy, they either wear black pants, 245 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: so I'm walking off. He said, fine, I gets there 246 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: in black pasts because I was trying to get them 247 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: to understand that when you're recruiting volunteer and see, this 248 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: is what comes from you know. I started concrete roots, 249 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 1: which is deeper than grassroots. Really being connected to the streets, 250 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: knowing how people fell on the streets, those who are poor, disenfranchised, 251 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: And what they didn't understand was, Hey, everybody can just 252 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: go get khaki pants. All you have to do is 253 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: go to Walmart, to go to Target. And I was 254 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 1: trying to explain that these are volunteers that were bringing 255 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: to ask to work for free, that are already in 256 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: one of the poorest cities, uh and going through recession 257 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: at that time, homelessness sky high in Orlando. We have 258 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: to be able to allow an option of something that 259 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: they already have in their closet, that's right, And those 260 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: are the type of thing And you said, well, say black, 261 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: let it be black. But I remember me and another 262 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: person was going round and round about because she just 263 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: couldn't understand what it meant. But I understill would have 264 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: meant because I was going through a divorce at the time, 265 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: I didn't have any income coming in, I was on unemployment, 266 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: I had a baby on my hip. I understood from 267 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: that lived experience, which is why we say we need 268 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: politicians with lived experiences. So I'm saying all that to say, 269 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: what about the black persons in the diversity position that 270 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: don't understand black folks. Yeah, that happens all the time. 271 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: I called it black Europeans who aren't connected to the street, 272 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: who have not had the experience, and so their viewpoints 273 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: are actually different than the masses. I did a study 274 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: way back in the day that showed African American procurement 275 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: officers gave less contracts two blocks then their white collar 276 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: parts because in their mind, since they were on the plantation, 277 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: they figured, how can you come here and get a contract? 278 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: But I'm working for Big Massa, So it is an issue. 279 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: It is an issue just to hire UH an African American. 280 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: But if you don't check their background and they have 281 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: not been exposed to the culture, have not been exposed 282 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: to the street, well then they're just gonna actually go 283 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: further west. UH in non diversity as opposed their title. 284 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: Does I have a I have a friend he's been 285 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: in procurement forever and he says, I don't get black 286 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: companies chances because they don't come correct. I'm like, dude, 287 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: you have to see where they are, see what they 288 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: are helping get to that point. For you to make 289 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: a blatant statement like that, you have incorporated what they 290 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: talked to you to do so they can just check 291 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: a box and say that you've done something. So it 292 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: is a problem, absolutely and mass interesting you said that, 293 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: even flipping that over the politics. You know, uh colleague 294 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: of mine, he's always said, oh, you know, tays we 295 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: gotta get this person in because they're black and this 296 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: person and I said the time, just because that person 297 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: is black does not necessarily mean that they are for 298 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: black issues black. But that's right, because it's usually just 299 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: a check off. One of the things that are takes 300 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: me the most as well, you know, you have a 301 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: black vice president or you had a black president. I've 302 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: heard white men literally say you know, well you got 303 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: President Obama literally as a way of saying, isn't that enough? 304 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: So sometimes I wonder I remember you and not because 305 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: I was doing talk radio in Orlando at the time 306 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: and it was when uh, you know, a president then 307 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: Senator Obama was running and you were one of the 308 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: ones that said, Tess, it's gonna be great for our children. 309 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: You know, they'll be able to see that, you know, 310 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: it can be them. And I remember us having a conversation. 311 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: I said, well, how is this gonna backfire on us 312 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: to be able to say, well, you got a black president, 313 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: so there's no more issues. So what's your take on 314 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: that now looking back compared to two thou Oh yeah, 315 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: My my take is that he didn't do anything for 316 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: black folks, and it's unfortunate if you're in a position, 317 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 1: just so, I was in a position as the president 318 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: of the Urban League, I make sure my people were 319 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: taken care of. It should have been a statement when 320 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: he left office that he created at least ten black billionaires. 321 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 1: He didn't and for whatever reason, uh, you know, support 322 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: the LBGT community, which I'm not against him, but if 323 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: you're in power, you're supposed to make sure your friends eat, period, 324 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: and I did not see that agenda. And so yeah, 325 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: it was symbolism all this crazy stuff. Yeah, you let 326 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: some people out of jail when you almost got old 327 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: left office, but it was not an economic impact for 328 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: our people. That's unfortunate. If you're in charge, you're supposed 329 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: to make sure your people eat and whoever it is, 330 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: and I checked people because of that. Now you talk 331 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: a little bit about, um, how black people don't have 332 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: access to capital. I remember starting my business and one 333 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: of the reasons why I was why I shut down 334 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: so quickly. Is because healthcare Healthcare Form came in, we 335 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: lost our bid to the contract and there was no 336 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: money to keep afloat um. I had to use prime factory, 337 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: you know, factoring forward in other words, for people that 338 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: may understand, Rob Peter pay Paul a company that would 339 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: loan me my payroll and then I would have to 340 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: pay it back the following week. So there was never 341 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 1: you know, any growth, never any loan opportunities. I couldn't 342 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: get a grant. I was a nonprofit. I didn't even 343 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: know where the Star docs. So what is this issue 344 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: that you're talking about when you when you're saying that 345 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: we have one percent of the equity, Yeah, so we 346 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: cannot grow our businesses. Gets on jet financing, guests on 347 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: loans that you mentioned. The key to growing businesses in equity? 348 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: How do you get investors to put money into your company? 349 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: And for the last twenty five years, there's been extensive 350 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: studies from the Milk And Foundation to the Confident Foundation 351 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: saying there's only one percent of equity dollars that come 352 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: to black business. That is a trocis we need to 353 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 1: be able to get equity investment so we can grow. 354 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: For instance, you want to go Onstlar McDonald's. You go 355 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: get along against your house. It'll take you another three 356 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: or four years to get the second loan. If you 357 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: have an equity investor, he can put the money in. 358 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: You can buy five McDonald's off the top. So we 359 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: have to teach our people two things. One what equality 360 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: is versus debt? And to how do you get equity financing? 361 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: And it's it's a wide, wide variety of ways of 362 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: doing it. Corporations have equity, but people don't know. You know, 363 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: she goes to them of course to go funding stragged. 364 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: This happened. But there are innovative groups. There's a society 365 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: of venture capital with blocks. The National Venture Capital Association 366 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: now has created diversity of division. Uh, there's some new 367 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: entertainers and athletes that are creating equity funds. The point 368 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: is we need more equity, not debt. We don't need loans, 369 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: you need investors and a lot of times blocks. Bill. 370 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: If I don't own a hundred percent of something, then 371 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: it's not mine. No, you give us some equity, get 372 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: the capital, grow your businesses and your scale it. So yes, 373 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: it's only it's atrocious. Only one equity capital comes to 374 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: African American businesses. We need to change that. That's interesting 375 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: you said that because one of the things, again kind 376 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: of going back to the Black and Faith podcast network, 377 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: that they were in discussion about Charlemagne and he was saying, 378 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: you know, he was a partner with our heart to 379 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: allow them to carry the load, you know, but he 380 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: still was the owner. And people didn't grasp that. They 381 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: didn't understand that, they didn't understand that it's not about right. 382 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: It's unfortunately that they don't understand. You allow them to 383 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: carry the dead and you bring the resource of talent, 384 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: and still you can still be a fifty percent partner 385 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: or on whatever and not use all your money. And 386 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: I wish at the time I had the resources to 387 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: do that. I just didn't know, you know, where to go. 388 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: I remember, and you remember Harrold Mills at the time, 389 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: he had staffing firm and ended up, you know, becoming very, 390 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: very successful, and I guess it was from him and 391 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: his connections Harvard. I remember the rumor was some folks 392 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 1: came to town and said, hey, we're gonna make you successful. 393 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: And when I compared his staffing firm to what I did, 394 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 1: my staffing firm was putting people to work who had 395 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: just got out of prison, you know, people from g E. 396 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: D S, pH d S, people who had a drug 397 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: and alcohol dependencies, taking women who were in shelters, giving 398 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: them opportunities. When you look at my firm and what 399 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: it was doing as far as a community impact, you 400 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: would have thought that there would have been a support 401 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: system to continue that going, and it wasn't. It wasn't 402 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: like doc I didn't know who the politicians were or 403 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: who you know, the big dogs were, but it just 404 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: wasn't enough time to really make that impact. As we closed, 405 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,719 Speaker 1: can you give folks some tips on how do they 406 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: find in the bag? Where does the money reside? How 407 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: do they you know, get more knowledge on this before 408 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: it's too late. One of the things that people end 409 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: up quitting before they even start, because you get frustrated. 410 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: You gotta figure out, you know, where you're gonna work, 411 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: how are you gonna eat in the meantime? So, what 412 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: are some some tips that you can give the listeners 413 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: specifically because I know we were talking about black tech, 414 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: but it's kind of rolled into you know, entrepreneurship and 415 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: capital and funding. But what are some things that you 416 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: can give some folks before we wrap up on how 417 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: do they find where the money resides? Good question as 418 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,880 Speaker 1: you start this conversation you talked about our relationship over 419 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: twenty years ago. The game is how do you increase 420 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: your network? I tell people to keep it being rich. 421 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: For every poor friend, you gotta get too rich friends. 422 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: So how do you do that? You go to the 423 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: places where they are enormous amount of charity events. Look 424 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: in your city, see what the charity events are, and 425 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: go hang out there. Volunteer, meet people, meet diverse people. Um. 426 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: I was very fortunate to be invited to the Jewish 427 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 1: Holocaust Center. End up creating contacts and deals in their perspective. 428 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: Look at the cultures, look at who they are, and 429 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,879 Speaker 1: go meet them because they can make a phone call 430 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: and help you as opposed to just trying to go 431 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: the regular route. Bosses hanging with bosses. I don't care 432 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: how small your company is. If you're a CEO, you 433 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: can go hang out with other bosses. So the number 434 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: one pieces expand your network. Gets friends in every culture, Jewish, Italian, Russian, 435 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: Every city has United Nations. You can go join that 436 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: and get exposed to global money, global access and increase 437 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: your friends, nothing's wrong, gonna hang in the hood. I 438 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: tell people in my book, you can go to the hood, 439 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: every friend league, get your nails done here and done. 440 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: Everybody broke across town, go to the art show, free food, 441 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: free for free drinks, and everybody rich doing both. Make 442 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 1: sure you diversity by get you some rich friends here. 443 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 1: That's the game. That's the game, that simple, you know, 444 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: And you know, let's talk about that a little bit, 445 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: because you know, we have this survivor's remorse that that 446 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: black people have. You know, we feel once we've become successful, 447 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 1: if we're supposed to bring everybody along or we still 448 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: need to go back or I still need to You know, 449 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: you have the jealousy to envy. How do you you okay, 450 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: we're cutting off bro folks, but for everybody else, how 451 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: do they How do you feel okay with just understanding 452 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: This might be better for a therapist question, but how 453 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: do you how do you get to the point to say, 454 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: you know, I'm at a different time in my life, 455 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: and at this time in my life, I have to 456 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: maximize my time better, which means I need to communicate, uh, engage, 457 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: partner with people that I have things in common with Um, 458 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: so I've learned that I've I've wasted time and conversations. Yeah, 459 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 1: trying to carry and just at some point just everybody came, 460 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: don't can't go, can't go. But I still hang with 461 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: with with with the lord tier. But checkularly youngsters. I 462 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: make sure that I'm with the twenty something. I got 463 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: a lot of young hackers, a lot of young rappers. 464 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: I want to stay across that energy. Plus they love 465 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: my style. They go, oh gee, how can I get 466 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: like you? So I connect with the youth. That is 467 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 1: the future. That's how you move forward. A matter of fact, 468 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: it's a guy named Jalen bled So. He came to 469 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: one of my events about five years ago. He said, 470 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: I'm seventeen years old on the same age my parents work. 471 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: But I got a hundred twenty subcontractors, three million of revenue. 472 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 1: If you look at my Facebook, my paid nerds. So 473 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: it is is taching and connecting with the youth, whatever 474 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: level they are. Matter of fact, they got more street swag. 475 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: You can help flip that. So it's I don't don't 476 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: hang with people don't have it. I just hang with 477 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: people who have the opportunity and the open mind to listen, 478 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: because the older you get, you get centical. You leave 479 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 1: us outdated and you can't do it. So again, the 480 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: kids get some rich friends connect with the youth because 481 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: they do on top of the technology and make gonna 482 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: make it happen. And you know, I want to, I 483 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: want me I legal New Jack City. So we need 484 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: intellectual gangsters who understand both worlds, who can do academically politically, 485 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: and you know that's our flavor. But were getting newter 486 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: trying to be white and we look on the very 487 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: swag we had. Well, you literally did create the New 488 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 1: Jack City in our Lando, Florida. I'll never forget that meeting. 489 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,439 Speaker 1: I'm laughing because I wish they could have seen that 490 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: because literally it was the New Jack City. And as 491 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: people came into the room, everybody, what does A lot 492 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: of the folks didn't get along, and I was like, 493 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: what are you doing that? What do you do? I 494 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: mean it was on some straight godfather, that's how we 495 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: do man. And another thing, I want to give you compiment. 496 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: I've never seen nobody and one thing about it. You're 497 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: talking and you're backing up. I mean you mean that 498 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: people to write that check. You mean it's time to 499 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: write this. I've never seen nothing like it. I've never 500 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: seen nothing like it. But I learned so much from you. 501 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: I wish we could have a show just on our 502 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: relationship because I'm telling you I learned a lot. I learned, Yeah, 503 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: I learned a lot. And it's something you have an 504 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: eye for picking people to say, Okay, that's what I 505 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: need at the table. That's the tenth how do I 506 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: how do I bring this person? And how do I 507 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: Because that was the first time Don Miller and I met, 508 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: which ultimately we ended up a coming co host on 509 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: the radio show for a couple of years because him 510 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: and I met. But you've always had an offer that 511 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: to say, who do I bring to the table to 512 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: move forward? You know, on the initiative and then it 513 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: was about black fault. That's why I tell people I 514 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: didn't just start doing this yesterday. Y'all made just saw 515 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: me yesterday. I've been on this. You were talking about 516 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: how do we get black money then in two thousand seven, 517 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: and you're talking about it now in two thousand one. 518 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: I just want to thank you for coming to the show, 519 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: and hopefully I've made you proud of them and I've 520 00:27:54,520 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: made Yeah, so much more to go, so much more 521 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: to go. Um, But I always give flowers. I pay 522 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: homage because that's one thing that we don't do. You 523 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: gotta pay homage to people that gave you the game. 524 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: I credit everybody all the way from the ogs back 525 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 1: in the hood that talking everything I need to know, 526 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: to politics, to you, to business people, and I will 527 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: agree with you, and saying being able to listen, that's 528 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: one thing I talk a lot. For one thing, for sure, 529 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: I listen more than I talk, especially when I'm sitting 530 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: in front of somebody that knows more than me. And 531 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: that's one thing that we all have to do, regardless 532 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: of the age, to be able to sit down and 533 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: listen to the game. Like the old folks say, you 534 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: might learn yourself something. So I want to thank you 535 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: for coming again. Where can they find you? Doc on 536 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: your website or where where can people find you best? Yeah? 537 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: My instagram is Land dot doctor, LANs dot doctor. My 538 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: website is www. Silver Fox with two x dot com, 539 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: and my other website is www Global dot U. S Okay, well, 540 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me. I'm gonna bring 541 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: you back so we can talk about cannabis, the weed business. 542 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: How to get that weed money. I've never been a 543 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: weed smoker. My mom we smoker, but I was never 544 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: a weed smoker. But if you ain't, got no problem 545 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: making that weed money though, that's right. So I'm gonna 546 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: bring you back, folks, to make sure you tune into 547 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: that show with Dr Land so he can talk more 548 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: about cannabis and how he also impacts that area. A 549 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: man of many gifts, many talents. Check him out, check 550 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: out and see what he's done. He's also I'm very 551 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: excited to be working with him as well with the 552 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: George Schroy Foundation, so we'll be doing some great things 553 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: with that. So in the meantime, like I always say, 554 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: use the loser, can't make you choose that. I hope 555 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: you found some of this helpful to you. I know 556 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: it's short, but again follow Dr McCarthy watch of what 557 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: he talks about in tech. It is such a broad topic, 558 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: very hard to cover and just thirty minutes, but I 559 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: do hope you got some nuggets on how to go 560 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: get that money and where the money resides. 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