Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe, Getty.
Speaker 2: Arm Strong and Getty and He Armstrong and Eddy, a.
Speaker 3: Twenty one year old man, reclaimed a Guinness World Record
Speaker 3: by solving a Rubik's cube in eleven seconds while blindfolded.
Speaker 3: When asked how he planned to celebrate, he said, well,
Speaker 3: I'm definitely not getting laid.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: I mean, that is an old joke, but it's such
Speaker 2: a you know, blunt object version of that joke.
Speaker 5: It's indelicate, Michael, indelicate, I is a good way to
Speaker 5: put it.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you. So it's elect communists across the country day.
Speaker 2: We'll get into some of those races. I don't think
Speaker 2: they're going to actually win their seats, I hope, but uh,
Speaker 2: they're going to get the nomination. It looks like we've
Speaker 2: also got the AI is going to ruin everything story
Speaker 2: of the day that seems to be a a drum
Speaker 2: beat every day now. So yesterday on the show, Joe
Speaker 2: brought us some information about the whole Nancy Guthrie case.
Speaker 2: Savannah Guthrie from the Today Show Mom disappeared. You know
Speaker 2: that whole story I'd ignored every story on this for
Speaker 2: months and months and months now because they would claim
Speaker 2: there was an update and it would be nothing new,
Speaker 2: So I just stopped paying the attention to that story. Well,
Speaker 2: something new came out over the weekend, and Joe brought
Speaker 2: it to us yesterday, which I thought was really really
Speaker 2: damned interesting, and then a perfectly reasonable reaction by the
Speaker 2: way yours. And then it turned out Heather Myers, who's
Speaker 2: been doing our news filling in for Katie Green while
Speaker 2: Katie Green was on maternity leave. Katie is back, by
Speaker 2: the way, and we'll be talking to Katie a little
Speaker 2: bit later the full strength of the Armstrong and Getty Show,
Speaker 2: just in time for me to take a couple of
Speaker 2: days off before the kids go back to school. But Heather,
Speaker 2: it turns out, was at the Nancy Guthrie home. How
Speaker 2: soon after she disappeared, Heather.
Speaker 6: I happened to be in Phoenix covering another story, and
Speaker 6: I got the call, you need to go to Tucson,
Speaker 6: which is about an hour and a half outside of Phoenix.
Speaker 6: I would say I was there within about forty eight
Speaker 6: hours after she was reported missing, and that's when the
Speaker 6: networks were slowly starting to arrive on the scene.
Speaker 2: Gotcha. And then so some of the reporting Joe had
Speaker 2: yesterday that it turns out the local people did not
Speaker 2: handle it well in the beginning, you can verify.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one of the main points that was made was
Speaker 5: that the crime scene was terribly handled. Evidence was trampled on,
Speaker 5: people were allowed to go in and out, and they
Speaker 5: ignored some of the blood evidence that was absolutely key
Speaker 5: to the case. But again, Heather witnessed this personally, tell
Speaker 5: us what the crime scene looked like.
Speaker 7: It was bizarre, you guys.
Speaker 6: I mean, I was standing outside of her home, which
Speaker 6: is on a very quiet street. All of the homes
Speaker 6: are set back far from the road. It's extremely dark
Speaker 6: at night. I'm talking like, you can't even see the
Speaker 6: homes from the road at night. No street lights, I
Speaker 6: don't think.
Speaker 7: And we would.
Speaker 6: Watch people walk up her driveway, which is not a
Speaker 6: paved driveway, it's a mix of dirt and gravel, and
Speaker 6: walk right up to the front door where there are
Speaker 6: blood spots. There were reporters with their cell phones taking
Speaker 6: video of these blood spots and then walk off. And
Speaker 6: there was a private person, not a law enforcement officer,
Speaker 6: looking at maybe somebody of the family had hired to
Speaker 6: sit in front of the house in their car in
Speaker 6: the driveway, and then every now and then, I would
Speaker 6: say maybe one to two times a day, the law
Speaker 6: enforcement would show up, put back up crime tape, go
Speaker 6: inside the house and remove boxes of items, and then
Speaker 6: as they leave, they take the crime tape back down again.
Speaker 5: So we understand what crime scene tape is for. It's
Speaker 5: not to ensure they have their personal space. It's to
Speaker 5: keep people away from the crime scene. I'm not a cop,
Speaker 5: and I know that.
Speaker 6: We would go door to door asking for neighbors. You know,
Speaker 6: do you have any ring camera footage? Have the cops
Speaker 6: come here yet? No?
Speaker 7: They would say no.
Speaker 6: And then there was a couple of major shopping centers
Speaker 6: I would say within a quarter of a mile. So
Speaker 6: I went over there and said, do you have any
Speaker 6: surveillance video from that? And have the cops come to
Speaker 6: ask for any surveillance video?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 7: In the middle of that, No, they had.
Speaker 6: Not come to the Why am I going there before
Speaker 6: the cops are to ask for any surveillance footage?
Speaker 7: So it was handled so strangely.
Speaker 2: That part is probably just the resources of a fairly
Speaker 2: small town not having to deal with, you know, major
Speaker 2: cases very often the whole crime scene tape though, that
Speaker 2: one's inexplicable.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was bizarre.
Speaker 5: And the underplaying of the blood on the Oh, oh
Speaker 5: my god, so many.
Speaker 2: Disappear sobody disappears from my house, one of my family members,
Speaker 2: and there's blood spots out far the door. That seems
Speaker 2: like a pretty big Scooby Doo sort of clue. All right,
Speaker 2: here you go. Number one.
Speaker 5: The appointed headed of homicide, Sergeant David Stivers, was reprimanded
Speaker 5: two months before Nancy's kidnapping for poor judgment. Blamed for
Speaker 5: delay securing crime scene evidence in a homicide case. Wow,
Speaker 5: that's completely unrelated. Charges into that homicide case were dropped
Speaker 5: for insufficient evidence. Stivers and his detectives arrived at Nancy's
Speaker 5: house in the late afternoon of Sunday, the first of February,
Speaker 5: a day or two before Heather was there.
Speaker 2: For hours, they gave little regard to.
Speaker 5: The dried blood on the front porch, said people familiar
Speaker 5: with the investigation. They suspected the blood might have come
Speaker 5: from some unrelated head bump, nosebleed, or other incidental injury.
Speaker 6: That people said, that's so shocking because it wasn't one
Speaker 6: or two specks of blood or four five? There are
Speaker 6: major droplets of not a puddle, but clearly identifiable blood
Speaker 6: and several droplets.
Speaker 2: You saw it with your own eyes.
Speaker 7: I saw it.
Speaker 6: From the reporter who had walked up there and take
Speaker 6: in the cell phone foot But.
Speaker 5: It is so bizarre and inexplicable. I feel like I've
Speaker 5: got to be missing a key piece of information. Right,
Speaker 5: you have a missing person, even if you suspect it's
Speaker 5: an oldster who wandered off, and you see blood spatters,
Speaker 5: is It's incomprehensible to me that they handle it the
Speaker 5: way it is being alleged, right, I just.
Speaker 2: Can't believe it.
Speaker 6: The one time where I told you guys yesterday the
Speaker 6: pizza A news crew had ordered a pizza because there's
Speaker 6: no restaurants nearby, and the pizza man walked up to
Speaker 6: the front door of the hall standing on you know,
Speaker 6: the blood spots, spots standing on the portion or.
Speaker 2: The evidence that ever occurred in the whole thing that.
Speaker 5: Is now get this believed to be related to the abduction.
Speaker 2: The blood Wow. Well, so that was the update Heather
Speaker 2: had for us just that. Coincidentally, we have Heather filling in,
Speaker 2: and she was there. But then your update from the news,
Speaker 2: which I hadn't heard about the notes. That's I didn't
Speaker 2: hear this, so you brought it to it. Yeah, one
Speaker 2: more thing about the investigation. The sheriff's department launched drones,
Speaker 2: but their best piece of search equipment was a Cessna
Speaker 2: surveillance aircraft that had both infrared and zoom lens cameras.
Speaker 2: But they couldn't find anybody to fly it for hours
Speaker 2: and hours and hours because the guy who used to
Speaker 2: fly it. Now this is circumstantial evidence. Circumstantial evidence does
Speaker 2: not equal proof. But this guy, the deputy, backed the.
Speaker 5: Sheriff's opponent in the recent election, and gosh, when the
Speaker 5: sheriff got reelected, he decided this deputy had screwed up
Speaker 5: and demoted him for he says on the job stuff
Speaker 5: unrelated to the election.
Speaker 8: Boy.
Speaker 5: But so this guy couldn't fly the plane anymore, and
Speaker 5: they so they had to wait till the other guy
Speaker 5: who could got back seven eight hours.
Speaker 2: Oh oh boy. That's the kind of things that can
Speaker 2: happen in a You know that nobody notices if you
Speaker 2: don't have a major crisis.
Speaker 5: Come along right right, And I have known enough fairly
Speaker 5: high place officers of the law who've been involved in
Speaker 5: a sheriff's elections and that sort of thing to know
Speaker 5: that when some of them back person a and some
Speaker 5: pack be the knives are out. Anyway, to the notes,
Speaker 5: Jack mentioned the two ransom notes that we all heard
Speaker 5: about on the news that I assumed at the time
Speaker 5: and said were probably a crack pot, and I was
Speaker 5: surprised they were being taken as seriously as they were. Well,
Speaker 5: what we didn't know was the first note that was
Speaker 5: much discussed in the media, a promise to release Nancy
Speaker 5: unharmed in exchange for a payment in Bitcoin of six
Speaker 5: million dollars.
Speaker 2: Quote.
Speaker 5: Her life is in your hands, said the note, which
Speaker 5: included details only a kidnapper would know, including missus Guthrie's
Speaker 5: white apple watch and where.
Speaker 2: It was, destruction of the bedroom, et cetera. Oh and
Speaker 2: you put those details into show that you're not a crackpot. Exactly, Yeah, yeah, exactly. Wow,
Speaker 2: Now that would be chilling, can you imagine?
Speaker 5: Then a second note came out, and you may remember
Speaker 5: that Savannah Guthrie and two of her siblings, as I recall,
Speaker 5: were seated on a couch tearfully asking the person to
Speaker 5: do the right thing. That second note we now know said,
Speaker 5: and I quote, we did not fully grasp the seriousness
Speaker 5: of her physical condition. We never intended to hurt her.
Speaker 5: That was not her intention. She perished shortly after she
Speaker 5: was taken. We believe it was heart related. She is
Speaker 5: buried in nature.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, that hole, you didn't intend to hurt her.
Speaker 2: Thing doesn't matter. Sorry, but maybe it makes you feel better. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think that is a stupid person who got in way, way,
Speaker 5: way above their heads and was half panic stricken.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that had to be brutal to find out those
Speaker 2: were real. And then they get that note. So how
Speaker 2: long have they known she was dead?
Speaker 5: This was it doesn't have a date on that second note,
Speaker 5: and she'll never be found. It's unlikely enless the person
Speaker 5: is arrested and exchanges that knowledge for perhaps a softer sentence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. I hate the idea that
Speaker 2: this guy, I assume it's a guy, get to weigh
Speaker 2: with it. Oh, yeah, I was a guy.
Speaker 5: He makes several references to we in the ransom Moses,
Speaker 5: who knows that may be legitiated?
Speaker 2: Not was it that weirdo from that video. We also, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: per got to be Yeah.
Speaker 7: That's interesting.
Speaker 6: You know when we go back and look at that
Speaker 6: surveillance video that you know that gave us all, you know,
Speaker 6: nightmares after seeing the person who was at her porch
Speaker 6: with the mask on that that person who somewhat looked
Speaker 6: kind not I mean sophisticated, but not extreme.
Speaker 7: How have they not been able to trace these notes?
Speaker 6: I mean the technology that we have out there, I'm
Speaker 6: confused on you know, why we have never been able
Speaker 6: to find like the back end of these emails.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think there are there are technologies these days that
Speaker 5: encrypt things pretty well and cover your tracks.
Speaker 2: But they were dealing with a dufis here though.
Speaker 5: We think you right, Yeah I did, with all due respect, Heather.
Speaker 5: I mean donning a mask in gloves, isn't.
Speaker 2: That sophisic walking right up the camera with your face
Speaker 2: staring at it? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 6: And then they're like, oh, it's a Walmart backpack you
Speaker 6: must have. Let's look at the maybe a shop dot Walm.
Speaker 7: We are no close to finding this.
Speaker 5: Guy, So so what's your takeaway?
Speaker 2: One of mine is.
Speaker 5: If you suspect your local police department is doing a
Speaker 5: crappy job of investigating something.
Speaker 2: You might be right.
Speaker 5: I've known cops investigators, many of them for many, many years.
Speaker 5: Some of them I would describe as the smartest, most
Speaker 5: conscientious people I've ever had the honor to know, and
Speaker 5: some I would describe as dopes, like every walk of
Speaker 5: life true.
Speaker 2: And then you've also got the you know, who do
Speaker 2: you need for this job? And how much do you
Speaker 2: need to pay to get a certain kind of person
Speaker 2: because we live in a town where not much happens,
Speaker 2: and you got that whole thing, and how many resources
Speaker 2: you need because we hardly have any crimes, there's no
Speaker 2: point in having some sort of setup. We're ready for
Speaker 2: this sort of thing to happen all the time, when
Speaker 2: it never happens.
Speaker 5: And then there's a question of pride and the territorialness
Speaker 5: between agencies and that sort of thing. And when you
Speaker 5: ought to bring in the heavy hitters immediately, sometimes folks
Speaker 5: resist that. But case this high profile and this critical,
Speaker 5: I mean, this is not shoplifting.
Speaker 2: This is a person being abducted. That it was handled
Speaker 2: that badly is just it's disappointing. The crime seemed tape
Speaker 2: is hard to explain. But so we got one minute left.
Speaker 2: I'm a sentimental sort of person. Is this goodbye, Heather?
Speaker 2: I think this is goodbye.
Speaker 6: Oh you know, guys, thanks for letting me fill in.
Speaker 6: This has been such a treat to join you guys,
Speaker 6: But most importantly, Katie, I wish you all the best.
Speaker 6: There is something so sweet about that first baby and
Speaker 6: then trying to come back to work, and I know
Speaker 6: behind the scenes is chaos when you've probably got a
Speaker 6: baby that needs to be fed and you're to you know,
Speaker 6: get back to your normal routine, and I just I
Speaker 6: wish you nothing but the best and lots of time
Speaker 6: just holding him, because if I could go back and
Speaker 6: just hold my kids, who are now teenagers, one more time,
Speaker 6: I would.
Speaker 7: I would trade the world for it, no kidding.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely soaking in all the snuggles and Heather, you
Speaker 2: absolutely killed it filling in for me, So I'm very
Speaker 2: grateful for you as well. Well, very big shoes.
Speaker 7: That underestimated.
Speaker 5: But now Katie's back to enjoying the cruelty and verbal
Speaker 5: abuse that is working with Jack and mice.
Speaker 2: Like I never love, And that might have been the
Speaker 2: nicest moment ever in the thirty plus years of the
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty Show. When it's no surprise that it
Speaker 2: didn't come at the hands of Joy that we needed
Speaker 2: to bring in other people to pull this off. But
Speaker 2: do what do we do Heather?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 2: Do we send you a bunk cake? Or is there
Speaker 2: some sort of something least?
Speaker 7: No, you do not need to do a thing.
Speaker 6: I feel like you guys put up with me trying
Speaker 6: to learn the ropes, and then I appreciate your patience
Speaker 6: along the way.
Speaker 2: You are very professional. Appreciate all your health you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks, all right, well take care of te you have.
Speaker 2: Fun and uh thanks and we do have to break it,
Speaker 2: take a break. But what Heather said to you, Katie,
Speaker 2: I was thinking about that the other day with my kids,
Speaker 2: just like, what would I give for one day of
Speaker 2: the I come home when they're still I don't know,
Speaker 2: picking age four, four and six or three and five,
Speaker 2: and they're so excited that I got home and they
Speaker 2: run up, what are we going to do today? You
Speaker 2: know that that? What would I can't even think about it?
Speaker 2: Are all blub Oh I know, I know. Oh, you
Speaker 2: guys will blubber.
Speaker 9: If we talk about it anytime soon because I had
Speaker 9: an old glovering.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, thanks everybody. But anyway, we got a lot
Speaker 2: more coming today, so stay here, armstrong and getty. So
Speaker 2: this franchessa Hong communist who's running up in Wisconsin is
Speaker 2: getting a lot of attention and might set back the
Speaker 2: DSA by decades, according to one of my favorite thinkers.
Speaker 2: I hope that's true, but more on that later.
Speaker 5: Meanwhile, you have a Jew hating Islamic premisest, also a
Speaker 5: fake communist I believe running in Michigan much more dangerous
Speaker 5: than the half wit in Wisconsin, but will highlight them
Speaker 5: both in the coming half hour.
Speaker 2: So opkay, you stay with us. I like the rock
Speaker 2: and roll.
Speaker 5: I go to rock and roll shows now and again,
Speaker 5: even as an old fella, and I have been shocked.
Speaker 5: I can think all of us at ticket prices lately.
Speaker 5: And there's an article about how artists are rolling out
Speaker 5: twenty dollars concert tickets for their fans because their fans
Speaker 5: are freaked out at the prices. Blah blah blah. It's
Speaker 5: a limited number. I think it's mostly just a pr or.
Speaker 2: We're shocked. In what direction they're going up or down?
Speaker 2: I don't know, bup up, up up super high. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: can't believe continue to go up.
Speaker 5: Okay, oh yeah, yeah, but they're like Olivia Morgan, whoever
Speaker 5: that is. Oh, I'm sorry, that's the fan, not the artist.
Speaker 5: Olivia Rodrigo is the artist in question. And Cold Player
Speaker 5: putting out a limited number of twenty dollars tickets, which
Speaker 5: is nice, I suppose, but it's not clear how somebody
Speaker 5: against them.
Speaker 2: It's a gimmick. Were the economics of concerts? Why didn't
Speaker 2: they charge this much way back in the day if
Speaker 2: they could get away with it? What shame? Ban backlash?
Speaker 5: Because back in the day it was much more art
Speaker 5: and much less commerce, And it would be offensive to
Speaker 5: you if your favorite actual creative artist would hammer you
Speaker 5: for every dime they could get. It was a different relationship. Anyway,
Speaker 5: I could write an essay on it. But a decade
Speaker 5: ago average ticket to a top one hundred tour went
Speaker 5: for eighty three dollars or so. Now it's one hundred
Speaker 5: and thirty dollars. They don't adjust that for inflation, so
Speaker 5: those are useless numbers. But I thought this was interesting.
Speaker 5: Here's a twenty six year old Austin In Austin, a
Speaker 5: young woman who budgeted around two thousand dollars this year
Speaker 5: for concerts and another one thousand for traveling to shows
Speaker 5: and getting hotels. She flew to Bonnaroo in June. She'll
Speaker 5: see Rodrigo this fall. I'd rather spend money on an
Speaker 5: experience than a new pair of shoes.
Speaker 2: Well good, as long as she isn't railing.
Speaker 5: Against Capitol, voting for socialists, and then complaining that there's
Speaker 5: no opportunity these days.
Speaker 2: I'm one thousand percent behind you, sister, as long as
Speaker 2: you don't, you know, vote in such a way that
Speaker 2: this lifestyle is getting in the way of what you
Speaker 2: want to achieve. She budgets thousands for concerts from.
Speaker 10: Abdul l say Ed is the progressive who has the
Speaker 10: backing of the Democratic Socialists of America. He wants to
Speaker 10: abolish ice, cut off a USA to Israel, and has
Speaker 10: made medicare for all one of his signature issues.
Speaker 2: I believe in the opportunity we have in front of
Speaker 2: us to.
Speaker 10: Correct both the moral failures of the past and the
Speaker 10: moral failures of our present.
Speaker 11: I think most people in Michigan agree that l Saied
Speaker 11: is the favorite, strong favorite going into the voting, So
Speaker 11: it is going to give the left a burst of momentum.
Speaker 2: If he does win this nomination, it's going to be
Speaker 2: interesting to watch man. This l sied guy is going
Speaker 2: to win today, is going to be the Democratic nominee
Speaker 2: to be a US S running against a pretty strong
Speaker 2: Republican sitting Senator Mike Rodgers up there in Wisconsin. But
Speaker 2: go ahead, he is a flat out you think he's
Speaker 2: more of a h Islamist or co one hundred percent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I was just about to say.
Speaker 5: It bothers the hell out of me what we just heard,
Speaker 5: and it reminds me of a couple other you know,
Speaker 5: wars of the use of language we've been in in
Speaker 5: the last years since the woke Apocalypse. Islamists who want
Speaker 5: to overthrow Western civilization in the name of Islamic supremacism,
Speaker 5: supremacism and.
Speaker 2: Usher and Sharia law.
Speaker 5: They know they can't run on that, so they say
Speaker 5: to some of themselves, what can we say to get
Speaker 5: people of the West to support us? And the answer
Speaker 5: is you appeal to young people and claim your socialist
Speaker 5: It's the Red Green Alliance. I've been talking about a lot.
Speaker 5: A lot of folks have I've got the whole history
Speaker 5: of it. If you want it. It is Islamists joining
Speaker 5: with radical leftists to overthrow the status quo. And then
Speaker 5: as soon as the status quo has overthrown, the Islamists
Speaker 5: slit the throats of the leftists and take control. Yeah,
Speaker 5: else I had couldn't give a crap about socialism.
Speaker 2: Please.
Speaker 5: He's constantly preaching about Medicare for all that would eliminate
Speaker 5: private insurance.
Speaker 2: Are you or medicaid Medicare for all?
Speaker 5: Anybody on Medicaid can tell you I've got two different
Speaker 5: kinds of insurance along with medicaid.
Speaker 2: It doesn't do that. He's a liar. His you know,
Speaker 2: Medicaid for all.
Speaker 5: His wife, who's a psychiatrist, won't even take medicaid. The
Speaker 5: guys in Islamist trust me. Oh, his wife and his
Speaker 5: father in law both with close ties to terrorist organizations
Speaker 5: or fundraisers for terrorist organizations. It's obvious, but everybody refers
Speaker 5: to him as a leftist because it feels a little
Speaker 5: big at it. I don't know to talk about him
Speaker 5: being a Muslim.
Speaker 2: Oh, We've got such a long way to go before
Speaker 2: our eyes are open as a country. Best if he's
Speaker 2: if he's seen as the socialist candidate, you can get
Speaker 2: into the hole. Well, what do they mean by socialism?
Speaker 2: They you know, they don't really know what they're talking about,
Speaker 2: that whole argument. Uh, And it's not as scary. I
Speaker 2: thought it was interesting. So Barack Obama came up with
Speaker 2: a great phrase years ago. I think whenever you talk
Speaker 2: about getting close to election days the silly season, because
Speaker 2: people during the silly season say all kinds of things
Speaker 2: that are just nuts. The closer you get to election day.
Speaker 2: I mean, because I usually see Bernie as a fairly
Speaker 2: straight shooter. He is a socialist and he doesn't hide it.
Speaker 2: But I thought it was interesting. The other day Bernie
Speaker 2: was in Michigan campaigning with this El Saad and he
Speaker 2: was doing his you know, his gravelly voice, and he
Speaker 2: cares about the working people and that's why he's not
Speaker 2: taking a dollar from a pack. And I thought, oh,
Speaker 2: wait a second, he's for the working people and that's
Speaker 2: why he's not taking a dollar from the Israeli lobby.
Speaker 2: I think you switched subjects here, honest, without the people
Speaker 2: understanding what's going on here.
Speaker 5: Number one issue in that race is Israel right for
Speaker 5: a United States senator.
Speaker 2: So seriously, even Michigan, even Bernie tried to pretend that
Speaker 2: I'm here supporting another socialist, but I know to get
Speaker 2: him elected, I got to talk about the Israel stuff, right,
Speaker 2: that is troubling and telling He's going to win today.
Speaker 2: So Mark Alprin's writing on this for a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks has been the interesting thing here is how the
Speaker 2: big wigs in the Democratic Party are going to handle this?
Speaker 2: Are they going to because the Senate is tight? You know,
Speaker 2: all the Platiner attention that got over one seat, that's
Speaker 2: not because anybody gives a crap. Who's the US Senator
Speaker 2: in Maine, tiny little state far away from you. Probably,
Speaker 2: it's the balance of power in the Senate is really
Speaker 2: really close, and whoever controls the US Senate, all kinds
Speaker 2: of things can happen or not happen. So one seat
Speaker 2: is huge. All those people trying to help Platner or
Speaker 2: this or that to get him pushed out because of
Speaker 2: that one race gonna be the same in Michigan, So
Speaker 2: you got el sad. Is Barack Obama going to campaign
Speaker 2: with him? Is Chuck Schumer tonight going to say and
Speaker 2: we will vote for outside? Is he gonna say that
Speaker 2: as a Jewish guy running the Democratic Senate. Clinton's all
Speaker 2: kinds of different people. What are they gonna say about this?
Speaker 2: They're trying like hell to get his opponent elected.
Speaker 5: But yeah, when l si Ed wins, so oh boy,
Speaker 5: that'll be interesting to see.
Speaker 2: They're gonna be a tough spot. They're gonna be in
Speaker 2: a really tough spot politically. I mean because there's a
Speaker 2: video out today, or it's been around for a while,
Speaker 2: but I saw today of him and Hassan Piker. You know,
Speaker 2: you got the whole thing with James Carvell saying this,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be in a party with a son poker.
Speaker 2: Either he's leaving or I'm leaving. So you got that
Speaker 2: whole thing. It could get very interesting, like tonight when
Speaker 2: the campaign acceptance speech is going on and your CNN
Speaker 2: news panels full of Democrats are pulling at their collar.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we are really excited about this. Obviously Islamo
Speaker 2: fashion half a communist being our nominee. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mentioned earlier that thousands of nine to eleven families
Speaker 5: have told Mamdannie don't come to the memorial this year.
Speaker 5: I am absolutely certain that Elsa had and his family
Speaker 5: were rooting for the hijackers on nine to eleven and
Speaker 5: not the passengers and not the people in the buildings.
Speaker 2: So that race. So he's a formidable, smart guy. He
Speaker 2: is that. Uh, and all the stuff that Joe just explained.
Speaker 2: You got this other person running in Wisconsin, Francesca A. Hong,
Speaker 2: who's just a what is she just a congress person there?
Speaker 2: She's part time bartender. Isn't she currently the front runner
Speaker 2: in the Democratic primary for governor of Wisconsin. Bah bah
Speaker 2: blah blah bah. Anyway, she's a member of the Democratic
Speaker 2: Socialist of America also, and as we talked about the
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks, and you know, their platform includes
Speaker 2: lots of crazy crap like closing prisons and abolishing the
Speaker 2: Constitution and all kinds of different stuff. Anyway, she's been
Speaker 2: asked about a number of things. She is not a smart,
Speaker 2: formidable person, but she still might get the nomination. Here
Speaker 2: she is on CNN and they got on this topic somehow.
Speaker 9: You said Americans should cancel Thanksgiving. Should have done this
Speaker 9: in sixteen twenty one. The post has been deleted. Republicans
Speaker 9: have been highlighting it. Do you still believe that Thanksgiving
Speaker 9: should be canceled?
Speaker 4: I'm a chef and one of the first meals that
Speaker 4: I made that was for the community when I was
Speaker 4: sixteen was a Thanksgiving meal. Now, I always think my
Speaker 4: hospitality background and owning a restaurant for seven eight years,
Speaker 4: that bringing folks around the table to share conversation and
Speaker 4: build community is always a good thing, Okay, But Thanksgiving
Speaker 4: is also a time that's incredibly painful for many people
Speaker 4: in our communities, and so I think.
Speaker 2: It is I wanted to make sure it is at all.
Speaker 4: Understood that there are multiple views, but views can evolve,
Speaker 4: and the position that I'm running for right now, and
Speaker 4: I think my background as a chef will actually help
Speaker 4: me become a better governor that's able to bring more
Speaker 4: people to.
Speaker 2: The table, literally the Thanksgiving table. So that is being
Speaker 2: highlighted by lots of Republicans because it's just it's kind
Speaker 2: of funny that you wouldn't, well, she's obviously a dope.
Speaker 2: Anybody who who was a serious politician would find a
Speaker 2: way to pivot out of that stupid controversy very quickly,
Speaker 2: get to something anybody cares about. What is what is
Speaker 2: abolishing Thanksgiving as an issue in this country ninety eight too?
Speaker 2: I mean, what the hell? And again it does not
Speaker 2: exactly rise to the top one thousand issues on any
Speaker 2: gallup poll of what people are caring about. The colonialism.
Speaker 5: That's why she oppressed the opposes its colonialism.
Speaker 2: How about the next one in order, Michael, with tipping
Speaker 2: and being racist. I haven't heard this.
Speaker 8: One in the service industry. We are finally having this
Speaker 8: conversation about, you know, how our industry really did come
Speaker 8: from it and kind of is rooted in white supremacy.
Speaker 8: That tipping in itself. If we look at the history
Speaker 8: of tipping and how racist it is and how it
Speaker 8: has kept wages low for black people for a very
Speaker 8: long time, and if you look at tipping now, how
Speaker 8: different the scales are in terms of of who receives
Speaker 8: higher percentage of tips over other folks.
Speaker 2: Wow, she's one of those people. Okay, so somebody bringing
Speaker 2: you food to your table at a restaurant is all
Speaker 2: from white supremacy, and we got to do something about
Speaker 2: the tipping situation.
Speaker 5: In a post a few years ago, she said, I
Speaker 5: ate two bites of my kids cheeseburger at Culvers in
Speaker 5: Black River Falls and told them they ran out of
Speaker 5: ice cream. But mostly I just wanted to leave because
Speaker 5: I was on the verge of an anxiety attack too
Speaker 5: many old white people who didn't think we spoke English.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, English something something. She is a absolutely
Speaker 5: poster child for even study miseducated, obsessed with colonialism.
Speaker 2: Soft head, right, she is not vernable. But you know,
Speaker 2: these people got the wind at their back because there's
Speaker 2: such a stiff breeze blowing towards socialism, which a lot
Speaker 2: of young people think is the same as socializing.
Speaker 5: So that's why or they bought a great lie of communism.
Speaker 2: Right. But one of my favorite thinkers wrote, ironically, there's
Speaker 2: a very real possibility that Francesta Hong is such an
Speaker 2: electoral disaster for Democrats that she sets Dems back a
Speaker 2: few years but also sets the DSA back decades and
Speaker 2: devastates the reputation of zelots like Hassan Piker. That could happen.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, this could be. This could be really good
Speaker 2: news for people who hate socialism, her getting a bigger
Speaker 2: stage and then just getting trounced in the election. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we've got more from this.
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Speaker 5: Well said, well, read thank you disclaimer for the ages.
Speaker 2: This is a ongoing conundrum. It seems like in politics,
Speaker 2: do you fight to stop dangerous and or dopes from
Speaker 2: getting into office or do you hope that they win
Speaker 2: nominations so they can discredit that ideology. I guess that's
Speaker 2: an ongoing thing.
Speaker 5: I think if you are an American citizen who loves
Speaker 5: this country, you fight stupid ideology every time you hear it.
Speaker 2: I think that's a good idea too. I don't like
Speaker 2: the I haven't heard of this go around, but lest
Speaker 2: few election cycles we've heard both sides do this, where
Speaker 2: you spend money on a bad candidate or an evil
Speaker 2: candidate to try to get them the nomination. And I
Speaker 2: don't like that. That is playing too close with the
Speaker 2: playing with matches.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, and you're allowing the weed of their awful
Speaker 5: ideas to row and flourish.
Speaker 2: And as we've.
Speaker 5: Seen lately, and I've been thinking about this a lot,
Speaker 5: and we've got more audio to play. Maybe we can
Speaker 5: do it on the other side of the break, but
Speaker 5: the you know, I've got to collect my thoughts. I'm
Speaker 5: sorry I got distracted. I'm easily distracted. You'll learn that
Speaker 5: about me. About the effect of really bad ideas on
Speaker 5: young people and how we as a people have assumed
Speaker 5: because we've been so successful and so comfortable, that the
Speaker 5: idea of radical political movements has always been kind of
Speaker 5: just funny to us or pathetic. It's like, you know,
Speaker 5: upstart football leagues, you know what's going to happen. You know,
Speaker 5: you think, wow, they're going to try that again, and
Speaker 5: sure enough, two years later they declare bankruptcy and we're
Speaker 5: all watching the NFL.
Speaker 2: Right, poor idea reality shows, right exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we have that idea about radical political moments too,
Speaker 5: but if you study it around the globe and through history,
Speaker 5: you know that often they succeed and either take power,
Speaker 5: millions of people die. And we are much much closer
Speaker 5: now to this radical political movement getting the stage where
Speaker 5: people die or certainly fortunes are lost and people are
Speaker 5: oppressed and screwed bad. And so yeah, I don't like
Speaker 5: the idea of let's put some fertilizer on these weeds
Speaker 5: because when the time comes, we'll just mow them down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, careful. I came across some interesting information about that
Speaker 2: whole data centers and the amount of water they use
Speaker 2: that if true. Is just why is this a conversation
Speaker 2: at all? Among a lot of other things we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about today, stick with us base officers enforce.
Speaker 12: The law with state sanctioned violence, and then an excuse
Speaker 12: for violating people's rights because they aren't expected to know
Speaker 12: the law. The abolist police spent nearly five million dollars
Speaker 12: implementing trainings increasing diverse. We're caring to strength and save
Speaker 12: relationships between comps and communities. It didn't work any city
Speaker 12: that have local control of how they dismantle their police
Speaker 12: systems to rebuild new community control systems rooted in preventative
Speaker 12: care and reducing harm. Defund the police, protect black lives,
Speaker 12: and build a care community.
Speaker 4: This is what we need.
Speaker 5: Francesca Hong trying to be the governor of Wisconsin calling
Speaker 5: for the defunding of the police. Just a couple of
Speaker 5: years ago, she was on with theb notious Dana Bash
Speaker 5: on CNN and Dana asked her about those.
Speaker 1: Beliefs Back in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one, you wrote,
Speaker 1: I support defunding the police as a first step towards
Speaker 1: abolishing the police, and that reform can't be an option.
Speaker 1: I know you say that a governor cannot defund the police,
Speaker 1: and that you do not want to quote govern by slogan.
Speaker 7: I just want to be clear.
Speaker 1: Does this mean that you no longer believe in the
Speaker 1: goal of defunding and ultimately abolishing police that you posted
Speaker 1: about five years ago.
Speaker 13: I believe that safety is a human right, that I'm
Speaker 13: going to be a governor that is more serious about
Speaker 13: public safety than any other governor, and I'm willing to
Speaker 13: work with community organizers, faith leaders, local governments where public
Speaker 13: many of our public sits are funded. And if anyone
Speaker 13: believes in defunding the police, it's been Robin Voss and
Speaker 13: the Republicans and the state legislator who have ruled the
Speaker 13: legislature for over sixteen years and have no palms around
Speaker 13: defunding our local governments where these are folks who provide
Speaker 13: some of the most essential services in preventing violence and
Speaker 13: making sure that we're getting guns off of our street.
Speaker 13: And so to be serious about public safety, I'm most
Speaker 13: interested in making sure that we are being tough on
Speaker 13: the causes. If we're going to be tough on crime
Speaker 13: and make sure that we build community safety.
Speaker 7: All across the biness.
Speaker 2: This is a Wendy's what are you talking about?
Speaker 5: And for the millions time, when somebody is charged with
Speaker 5: gun enhancements or gun charges, if they're more tan than me,
Speaker 5: people like Francesca Hong won't charge them.
Speaker 13: You.
Speaker 2: So, yes, you said something disparaging about Dana Bash of CNN,
Speaker 2: but I appreciate her staying on this when she got
Speaker 2: a non answer. That's a good point.
Speaker 5: So the insufferable miss Bash continues to ask the unpalatable
Speaker 5: Miss Hong, so has your opinion changed? And Hong says, well,
Speaker 5: people can evolve, and Dana Bash says, did you evolve? Yes,
Speaker 5: I've evolved, So has your opinion changed? They go back
Speaker 5: and forth for a full sixty seconds on this. We're
Speaker 5: gonna skip that so you don't go completely insane and
Speaker 5: end with the final, you know, segment of that discussion.
Speaker 1: I just want to just to sort of put a
Speaker 1: fine point on it. You said your views can evolve?
Speaker 1: Have your views like her fifth attempt the police?
Speaker 13: We had a police shooting in my hometown of Madison, Wisconsin.
Speaker 13: It's actually the third one in on Willie Street, which
Speaker 13: is in my district, and it's difficult for me to
Speaker 13: think about what I would say to a mother who
Speaker 13: has lost their children to police violence, but I know
Speaker 13: that we can change these systems that must be changed.
Speaker 13: There are folks who work in prisons. They have some
Speaker 13: of the highest suicide rates for any employment. That we
Speaker 13: need to make sure that every incarcerated person can live
Speaker 13: a life of dignity. That ninety nine percent of incarcerated
Speaker 13: folks in our state will be going into community and
Speaker 13: we have to lower those RECIDIVI recidivism rates, to make sure,
Speaker 13: invest in mental health resources, in tackling the opioid in
Speaker 13: opioid academic and I think that when we have a
Speaker 13: governor that believes in those things, we can achieve public safety.
Speaker 7: I didn't hear it.
Speaker 5: Answers you was going to get into like the designated
Speaker 5: hitter and food additives.
Speaker 2: There. She covered a lot of ground in that non answer. Well,
Speaker 2: I appreciate Donna Batna, Dana Dana. I appreciate her saying
Speaker 2: at the end, I didn't hear a yes or no there.
Speaker 2: That was after like four full minutes and seven different
Speaker 2: attempts to get a yes or no. Where you are
Speaker 2: on defunding the priests police, which is one of the
Speaker 2: worst polling ideas in the history of politics, by all people.
Speaker 5: Oh what bothered me is a bullssers that wasn't even
Speaker 5: good bulls that wasn't even a good dodge.
Speaker 2: She's bad at it. State Rep. Francesca Hong likely to
Speaker 2: win today and be the Democratic nominee to run for
Speaker 2: governor in the state of Wisconsin.
Speaker 5: Long and grow strong, and getty