Speaker 1: She brought these dusty ass cookies over and I remember
Speaker 1: I took a bite and I was like, this ship
Speaker 1: is just trash ba something is it's? It had like
Speaker 1: it had taken on the taste of being in like
Speaker 1: like as if it was sat next to celery for
Speaker 1: fucking five weeks or some shit. Wow, it was the
Speaker 1: weirdest taste for like a triple chocolate cookie. Like You're like, brother,
Speaker 1: this should not be That's not a good combo.
Speaker 2: Hell, triple chocolate with celery is not what I'm looking for.
Speaker 2: Do you think it was Do you think it was
Speaker 2: stored next to celery? Is that what it taken on
Speaker 2: the taste?
Speaker 1: And also it was in a bag inside a bag
Speaker 1: because the original bag had torn and they didn't rebag
Speaker 1: it and then rebag it. You gotta rebag, I texted regift,
Speaker 1: you gotta rebag. So what the fuck is up with
Speaker 1: these cookies. She's like, oh, yeah, yeah, she they got
Speaker 1: him in August or something, but she wasn't eating them,
Speaker 1: so I thought you'd want it. And I'm like, cause
Speaker 1: you didn't want it to fuck it, I'm like, how
Speaker 1: long did you have She's like like maybe a week
Speaker 1: or something. She didn't want to make it a way around.
Speaker 1: She brings her She brings her old food and puts
Speaker 1: it in my refrigerator that she doesn't want to throw away.
Speaker 2: I feel like they probably had like three conversations about
Speaker 2: those cookies, like yeah, like I don't know, maybe Miles,
Speaker 2: do you think, Miles? Maybe Miles?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he smokes weed. He won't even know. These
Speaker 1: shits are two months old.
Speaker 2: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three point fifty nine,
Speaker 2: Episode three.
Speaker 1: Of Derney's I Guys Stay production of iHeartRadio. This is
Speaker 1: a podcast where we take a deep dive.
Speaker 2: Into America's shared consciousness.
Speaker 1: And it is Wednesday, October ninth.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty four, ten nine eighty four, seven six spots.
Speaker 1: So it starts elections, like what twenty something days away?
Speaker 2: Boy, I don't want to talk about that, Miles on
Speaker 2: this news podcast.
Speaker 1: Well, let's focus on what today is done. At October ninth,
Speaker 1: National Moldie Cheese Day. It's also National Curves Day. It's
Speaker 1: also National bring your teddy bear to work or school Day,
Speaker 1: National take your parents to Lunch Day, and National Emergency
Speaker 1: Nurses Day. Shout out everybody who's keeping people alive.
Speaker 2: We were talking about moldy something or other, you know,
Speaker 2: but before Sam even joined us.
Speaker 1: But I still like, don't feel like so.
Speaker 2: We're talking two and a half months on some cookies.
Speaker 1: We're bringing that up. Yeah, I don't know. It just
Speaker 1: doesn't feel that bad to me. Don't.
Speaker 2: And it's not the fact that they were stored with
Speaker 2: the celery I think is what.
Speaker 1: It's not the only thing that fucked it up. You
Speaker 1: have to look at it this way. This was a
Speaker 1: like artisanally baked cookie. It does not have like the
Speaker 1: preservatives to give it an extended shelf life, maybe past
Speaker 1: the five days after it's been baked, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like it was like one of those gift basket. Yes,
Speaker 1: he was like in a cellophane with a ribbon on it.
Speaker 1: This was some high end hit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: This wasn't. I'll man, I'm sorry Jack you. I'll dig
Speaker 1: them out of the trash and I'll drive them over
Speaker 1: to your house. And I mean, I don't dare want
Speaker 1: them out of the trash. I'm just saying, like, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of with your mom on this one. I would
Speaker 1: have bought the cookies over and thought I was doing
Speaker 1: you a solid okay, all right, all right, anyways, all right,
Speaker 1: my name is a shout out to moldy cheese, which
Speaker 1: I will I have in the case of American cheese,
Speaker 1: I think it. I think for me it has to
Speaker 1: be American cheese.
Speaker 2: But if there's like a piece of mold on a
Speaker 2: slice of American cheese, I will pull the mold piece
Speaker 2: off of the slice of American cheese and then consume
Speaker 2: the rest of Americans.
Speaker 1: How are you like you're talking about like cracked singles. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're holding on the craft singles to the point
Speaker 1: that the mold is getting in the cell of phane.
Speaker 1: I know. It's like science.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's too Yeah, just anyway, Yeah, I'm revealing too
Speaker 2: much right now. My name's Jack O'Brien aka Potatoes O'Brien
Speaker 2: aka Banjo Eric or aka rick E Banjo. You can
Speaker 2: go the other way, you know, like a chuck e cheese. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: band entertainment band, Ricky Banjo, Rick Entertainment Banjo. We're we're
Speaker 2: distant cousins, me and Charles Entertainment Cheese. I'm thrilled to
Speaker 2: be joined as always by my co host, mister Miles Gras.
Speaker 1: Yes, It's Miles Gray coming live to you from the
Speaker 1: eight one eight, also known as the Lord of Lancasham,
Speaker 1: the Showgun with no gun and occasionally no buns because
Speaker 1: I do have podcasters, but that I am struggling with
Speaker 1: every day. But I am on the bike. We're just
Speaker 1: rejuvenating my backside. So it's just.
Speaker 2: Achilles tendon right up to the back to your back, this.
Speaker 1: Disarray. No no buns, it's not that bad. It's not
Speaker 1: that bad.
Speaker 2: But you know, sir, mix a lot would not want
Speaker 2: none because there are no buns.
Speaker 1: No, not here, none detected. But hey, look you when
Speaker 1: you're forty, you gotta you gotta focus on that detective.
Speaker 1: Focus on that part. You have to focus. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyways, we are thrilled, Miles to be joined by a journalist,
Speaker 2: a podcast host who you know is one of the
Speaker 2: hosts of Vibe Check and the host the host of
Speaker 2: the Sam Sanders Show.
Speaker 1: Because it's Sam Sander.
Speaker 3: I love this. Welcome there, Thank you'll, thank y'all for
Speaker 3: having me. It's so nice to loving the.
Speaker 1: Energy we have to bring our a game because you
Speaker 1: are a first rate podcast one of the show, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: We're too kind we're writing here, but I've been thinking
Speaker 3: about cheese as all were talking. Can we count blue
Speaker 3: cheese as moldy cheese, in which case moldy cheese, blue
Speaker 3: cheese exquisite?
Speaker 1: What about roque Fort? Who is that? That's the that's
Speaker 1: the level up? How do I saw her name?
Speaker 3: R r o q u e f o R t
Speaker 3: roke high falutin? You are high faluten I like the
Speaker 3: I like cheese. I like stinky ass cheese. I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna lie saying the funkier the better.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I want like a little crumple of blue cheese on
Speaker 3: like a Trader Joe's, the little crackers with like raisins
Speaker 3: in them, and you drizzle a little honey.
Speaker 1: Ye Sam, we gotta yeah, let's have a cheese party. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm ready, I'm ready. I'm absolutely ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah the Hollywood Bowl, you know, with that little.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, bring out some crackers, some nice
Speaker 1: cheese while you're watching the Justice concerts. I was there,
Speaker 1: was it. It was pretty.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something, we all picked the wrong
Speaker 3: career and this is no shade on the skills of
Speaker 3: Justice as DJs. But I will say their live set
Speaker 3: they stand in one place for two hours, the lights move,
Speaker 3: everyone else is dancing. You feel alive and in it.
Speaker 3: But those dudes get to just stand up. I want
Speaker 3: that job.
Speaker 1: I want that job. It's a gig and then you
Speaker 1: just have to I mean it's it is kind of
Speaker 1: like another job too, where it's like, oh look busy, now,
Speaker 1: look busy, look busy. All about jobs. We've all had
Speaker 1: that position at least once in our lives. Yeah.
Speaker 2: A species of blue cheese of the family blue cheese
Speaker 2: or is it, like, I don't know, rope Fort different
Speaker 2: than blue because blue cheese just seems somewhat vague.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it is a blue cheese
Speaker 1: made from sheep's milk in the Kamba Balu caves of
Speaker 1: roque Forts or sol France.
Speaker 3: No creamy texture and sharp tangy saltya something else from Wikipedia,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say that's just looking at the wikipedias for
Speaker 3: both blue cheese and roque Fort, I'm gonna say blue
Speaker 3: cheese goes to a private school, Roquefort goes to a
Speaker 3: boarding school. Yeah yeah, rope for it's like it goes
Speaker 3: to Sidwell friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, you know what I mean. You put
Speaker 1: it in some decent context. Yeah, yeah, it's it's in
Speaker 1: class with Malasho Obama basically.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, definitely cut forth period with Malia Obama.
Speaker 1: Smoking cigarettes because I'm from France and you should try
Speaker 1: these cigarettes. They're actually good for you when you get
Speaker 1: them from friends. Yeah, it's like a steam cleaner for
Speaker 1: your lungs. How you say how you say cigarette? Yeah,
Speaker 1: four or five cigarette.
Speaker 2: And the teacher's just like, yeah, no, that's actually cool
Speaker 2: with us because we're on some like next level the
Speaker 2: great friendship.
Speaker 1: Authors smoked cigarettes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are teaching Camu right now, so the students
Speaker 2: are permitted to smoke cigarettes in class.
Speaker 1: All right. I love that Camu reference. Yeah, he has
Speaker 1: even stranger references coming up.
Speaker 2: By the way, I do spell Camu the same as Shamoo,
Speaker 2: so I'm not don't don't like.
Speaker 1: A m u.
Speaker 2: A m o o is Shamoo as distant cousin of Tima.
Speaker 1: Yeah. His grandson is actually like a talent in Japan,
Speaker 1: which is really wild. Camus Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's like
Speaker 1: Shamu has a no Albert Camus. Albert right is that
Speaker 1: his name is? Yeah, his grandson like fame is a
Speaker 1: like he's a presenter on Japanese TV and he's like
Speaker 1: fluent in Japanese, and I was always like, I remember
Speaker 1: being like, what how do you what's that pass interesting?
Speaker 2: But hey, yeah, I like that for him, I like
Speaker 2: that for the Camu legacy, existential dread and truly the
Speaker 2: only interesting question for humanity is why we don't kill ourselves?
Speaker 2: And then his great grandson is like, welcome back back
Speaker 2: to the mask singer. He would do as a mask
Speaker 2: singer because he's like this blonde hair dude.
Speaker 1: He would go there's a show that he would go
Speaker 1: on where he would go around the streets of Tokyo
Speaker 1: or Osaka or something, and he would ask a question,
Speaker 1: He's like, what's your pet peeve? Like your biggest pet beef?
Speaker 1: And they, because he's fluent in Japanese, the answer in Japanese,
Speaker 1: and he would always go okay now in English. And
Speaker 1: that was always like the bit And then like the
Speaker 1: fund was watching people struggle with their English to say
Speaker 1: some like really funny version of what their pet peeve was.
Speaker 2: But anyway, the implication being everybody does know how to
Speaker 2: speak English. You couldn't do that shit in America with
Speaker 2: like any other language.
Speaker 1: No, No, it would be wildly offensive.
Speaker 2: I think like, yeah, oh for sure, the responses would
Speaker 2: be wildly offensive for sure. All right, Sam, we're going
Speaker 2: to get to know you a little bit better in
Speaker 2: a moment. Right first, we're going to tell the listeners
Speaker 2: a couple of things that we're all going to be
Speaker 2: talking about a little bit later on. We're going to
Speaker 2: talk about preparations for Hurricane Milton, specifically the GOP just
Speaker 2: ramping up the racism and the what is causing this is?
Speaker 3: Could it be would the Green just say that like
Speaker 3: they control the weather maybe with lasers?
Speaker 1: With lasers?
Speaker 3: She said, yeah, yeah, Marjorie, come on.
Speaker 1: Research, Sam, do some research Sam on Twitter. Clearly you're
Speaker 1: not doing your own research.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about the mainstream media's favorite discourse
Speaker 2: at the moment, which is is.
Speaker 1: This an October surprise?
Speaker 2: Is is Trump's wife writing a book we all knew
Speaker 2: about an October surprise?
Speaker 3: The real October surprise is call her Daddy doing a
Speaker 3: better interview with Kamala than anyone else's cycle.
Speaker 1: But yes, you started.
Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about the October surprise, where
Speaker 2: it comes from, where that phrase even comes from, and
Speaker 2: why it might be time to you know, quiet down
Speaker 2: about the October surprise. All of that plenty more. But
Speaker 2: first Sam, we do like to ask our guest, what
Speaker 2: is something from your search history?
Speaker 3: I was so when I when they sent this question
Speaker 3: over to me, I was like, oh Lord, let me
Speaker 3: not go back and look at incognito mode. But I
Speaker 3: am going to go right now to my phone and.
Speaker 2: Wow, we're getting the live results.
Speaker 1: The results are.
Speaker 3: Coming as we speak, and I feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: there's always this divide with what you search.
Speaker 1: It's like the.
Speaker 3: Default browserund my iPhone is Safari, so I think my
Speaker 3: first searches come there, but my favorite saves tabs are
Speaker 3: in Chrome. So my third fourth wave searches live there
Speaker 3: right right. But we're gonna start with my recent Safari
Speaker 3: Google searches.
Speaker 1: How do I? Okay? I googled roquefort cheese. There you go.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 3: I was talking in another podcast this morning about one
Speaker 3: of these far right conspiracy theories about some people on
Speaker 3: the right saying that Biden has been slow on hurricane
Speaker 3: response because he's been at his beach house sunning his testicles.
Speaker 3: So that led me to google the time that Tucker
Speaker 3: Carlson was pushing testical tanning on his show. So my
Speaker 3: last real Google were the three words Tucker Carlson testicles.
Speaker 1: Yes, fantastic and are we how are the results?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: We don't want to go down that ball? You don't
Speaker 1: want to go down that Now that is surprising to me.
Speaker 3: It just kind of outlines how this dude was like
Speaker 3: fully crazy and like two years ago he was telling
Speaker 3: people to sun their testicles to up their testosterone, and
Speaker 3: he had someone called a bromo therapist on or something
Speaker 3: to talk about all this stuff just kook science.
Speaker 1: Romeopathy or something like that. Yes, yes, yes, bromeopathy.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: There's a Vanity Fair headline that reads, Tucker Carlson Colon
Speaker 3: tan your balls if you want to.
Speaker 1: Be a real man. Wow. Wow.
Speaker 3: And while we're here, and I can say this because
Speaker 3: I'm gay, so I can be offensive to straight men
Speaker 3: who on the what straight man in the world has
Speaker 3: taken how to be a man lessons from Tucker fucking Carlson.
Speaker 1: The most Yeah, the most misguided? I think. Hold on, ye,
Speaker 1: what did tuckles Tucker say? It's like, I guess, do
Speaker 1: I keep my bow tie?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: When I tanned my balls because I remember wasn't there
Speaker 1: someone like around Like at the start of the Lockdown
Speaker 1: someone was talking about like sunning your butthole too, and
Speaker 1: like your taint was like that was the thing.
Speaker 3: Also then for a while when it, Paltrow was like,
Speaker 3: stick this jade egg up your nony.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And then there was some nony sunning as
Speaker 2: well on the side, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3: And for a second there was nony steaming, right And
Speaker 3: I know this because years ago when that was a trend,
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, they can't keep this from the man.
Speaker 3: So I went to a spot in LA that did
Speaker 3: the vaginal steaming in all earnestness. I went with my
Speaker 3: former partner and I was like, well, can you do
Speaker 3: it for us too? And they were mad that I
Speaker 3: would even ask. I was like, well steamline too, like
Speaker 3: a last They wouldn't steam me why. It's probably for
Speaker 3: the best, it's just for vagins.
Speaker 1: But I mean, like, is the technolo I mean what
Speaker 1: I'm picturing just maybe someone having like a garment steamer
Speaker 1: like under the sheet.
Speaker 2: You know, and then like a barber shopped like cape
Speaker 2: that you put like around your waist.
Speaker 1: Right right right? Okay, Well yeah, hey, for the one
Speaker 1: day I'll find out. Yeah, if you're being discriminated, just
Speaker 1: get yourself a garment steamer or maybe a humidifier. We
Speaker 1: legally cannot give this a buzz yep ye yeah yeah
Speaker 1: yeah uh. Anyway, check out my live stream on Saturday morning.
Speaker 1: But don't do what I do. Do as I say,
Speaker 1: not as I do. That's right.
Speaker 3: Also, Gwyneth, if you need a male volunteer as tribute, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: I like your Gwyneth. I think you're cool. I volunteer
Speaker 3: to be steamed.
Speaker 2: It does suggest that the people who are doing the
Speaker 2: steaming are like in it for the wrong reasons, Like
Speaker 2: what why are they discriminating between you know, like right, hmm.
Speaker 1: Because if because I'd imagine right, like if are they
Speaker 1: saying like that you just won't get the benefits from it?
Speaker 1: You're like, well what if I just want to feel
Speaker 1: the steam up there?
Speaker 3: Or they're just like I don't see that, you know
Speaker 3: what was happening. I get it, and I understand this response.
Speaker 3: They were just like, why is a man even trying
Speaker 3: to get up in there?
Speaker 1: It's for women?
Speaker 3: And is as as well intentioned as I was going
Speaker 3: to that storefront? They probably were like, is this guy
Speaker 3: pranking us right right to get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you did have an entire YouTube video crew with you.
Speaker 1: I had James O'Keefe right behind me, yeah.
Speaker 2: Wearing a ponzo. Yeah, Sam, what's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 1: Walking? Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: I live in LA and nobody wants to walk. Nobody
Speaker 3: wants to freaking walk. And like, I have two dogs,
Speaker 3: so I walk a lot with them. But I also
Speaker 3: believe in if you have an errand to run that
Speaker 3: you can get to in less than a mile and
Speaker 3: a half, walk it if you have to die, yeah,
Speaker 3: walking to it.
Speaker 1: Like literally, I always feel better after a walk.
Speaker 3: My mind is clearer after a walk. And you know,
Speaker 3: y'all know this Angelino's will drive a block.
Speaker 1: Yes you do, Yes, I just walk more, Yes I do.
Speaker 1: I also, like I've I've been trying to use like
Speaker 1: my bike more as like in between where it's like,
Speaker 1: see that's a bridge too far because these drivers out
Speaker 1: here are too fast, too furious. That's why I have
Speaker 1: like created my own network of residential streets that I
Speaker 1: used to not be on like those main thoroughfares, because yeah,
Speaker 1: because they'll get you. There's nothing more frightening than being
Speaker 1: on a bicycle, like on a main street in Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: because people fucking just are so unaware.
Speaker 3: Have you noticed how one since pandemic lockdown road rags
Speaker 3: has gotten worse. And then two the basic rules and
Speaker 3: laws of traffic people just disobey. Everyone runs red lights.
Speaker 3: If you had a four way stop, a car behind
Speaker 3: you might just come around you and zoom through. Like
Speaker 3: the basic laws of how we commute in cars, people
Speaker 3: ignore them.
Speaker 1: Now in LA it's people are I'm seeing more and
Speaker 1: more of people doing the Pittsburgh left turn. What is
Speaker 1: that that? That's like when the the second the light
Speaker 1: goes green, the person in the left turn lane just
Speaker 1: cuts it across before New York. But I like that
Speaker 1: you're slandering Pittsburgh with this. That's how I heard it
Speaker 1: from a dude who I know, like, lived in Pittsburgh
Speaker 1: any And if you look it up, if it's it's
Speaker 1: Peopleburgh left, Yeahan's doing the Pittsburgh left. He's doing Pittsburgh left.
Speaker 2: Hell Yeahan's doing the Pittsburgh left anymore.
Speaker 1: You ever hear Pittsburgh people just adding anymore on to
Speaker 1: the end of the sentence for some week.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: It's kind of fun anymore. It's like a nice open
Speaker 1: ended thing. People also called the whole shot, which I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's also known as a Boston left or a New
Speaker 1: York left either way illegal. Yeah, yes, we look down
Speaker 1: on New York in this household, not the Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually curious that gang us know, because this
Speaker 2: is something that we've talked about a little bit here
Speaker 2: and there. But it does feel like people have become
Speaker 2: less and less aware that other human beings exist, or
Speaker 2: like willing to drive as though other human beings exist.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's just yeah, and everyone is like everyone sees
Speaker 3: the slightest inconvenience while they're driving as like the biggest crime. Yes,
Speaker 3: I'll be trying to change lanes. I will signal, which
Speaker 3: is my way of saying please and thank you, and
Speaker 3: the other car will speed up to block me. I
Speaker 3: signaled courteous.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's very competitive.
Speaker 3: There's a competition going on, and there's like a rage
Speaker 3: that is just in every single interaction in a car.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is actually something I talked about in therapy because
Speaker 1: I would get petty. Right, I'm like, oh, you're not
Speaker 1: about like you know the thing, like, especially on freeway interchanges,
Speaker 1: it'll be backed up and people just want to go
Speaker 1: to the side and then in at their last time
Speaker 1: on the shoulder, on the shoulder, and I'm like, hell, no,
Speaker 1: you're not not to me. Not to me. H. My
Speaker 1: therapist shout out. Doctor Shimitra was like, maybe we should
Speaker 1: maybe we should investigate what is it about? Is it
Speaker 1: because is it your ego? And I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's like is it because you don't you think
Speaker 1: to them, You're not that person who should be getting
Speaker 1: cut in front of And I'm like this might be true.
Speaker 1: So I now I have to like use it as
Speaker 1: an exercise to like separate myself from my ego and
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, people are trying to get places too,
Speaker 1: I'm not in a rush. They might be fuck it.
Speaker 1: Yeah fine.
Speaker 3: I always tell myself when I'm dealing with traffic and
Speaker 3: people being assholes in traffic. Most of the time they
Speaker 3: don't know who you are and they don't care. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're a car they're trying to get by. No one
Speaker 3: is like, that's Sam in that car, and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: show them.
Speaker 1: Oh that's Sam Sanders. Oh I'll be waiting for this
Speaker 1: fucking day. I know they would be an asshole to
Speaker 1: any car you were just in the way. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: a bogie yep. Sam Sanders on the road in front
Speaker 1: of us. He's trying to zipper merge. He's trying to
Speaker 1: ziper merge.
Speaker 2: I backed out of my driveway this morning to take
Speaker 2: my kids to school, and a car, like two cars
Speaker 2: stopped to let me out.
Speaker 1: It was like, thank you so much. Third car zoomed
Speaker 1: around all of us, and just I just.
Speaker 3: Can I tell you my worst fantasy about dealing with
Speaker 3: road rage. I've thought a lot about whether or not
Speaker 3: I could acquire those spikes that flattened tires and just
Speaker 3: have them to toss out like Mario Kart when someone.
Speaker 2: Kisses me off somehow, like drive fast enough to get
Speaker 2: around them. Yes, but they're still giving you the finger
Speaker 2: out the back of their car, like laughing, laughing, and
Speaker 2: then you just say, I am.
Speaker 1: Not the one. I am not the one, and today
Speaker 1: is not the day. I always had a fantasy that
Speaker 1: like I could have enough money, like fuck you money,
Speaker 1: where I just had a car that I just talked
Speaker 1: lessons in it. I'm not slowing down. I know you
Speaker 1: think you can cut me off, but we'll get no
Speaker 1: light out. That's bab and it will be your fault.
Speaker 1: And I have time and guess what I am on
Speaker 1: my fifth insurance provider boom, because they know this is
Speaker 1: my fuck you car, This is my fuck you car
Speaker 1: around to find out. Yeah, and that's what I'm like.
Speaker 1: This is again, these are all things that the car
Speaker 1: in more ways.
Speaker 5: So all this to say, let's walk more as a
Speaker 5: society exactly, let's walk, Yeah, walk more, and be very
Speaker 5: careful when you're walking across the street because people no
Speaker 5: longer can see pedestrians.
Speaker 1: It's just not they they it's it's not happening anymore.
Speaker 3: And if you ever are on the fence about thinking
Speaker 3: you want to exhibit road rage, just remember you do
Speaker 3: not know who has a gun and there, yes.
Speaker 1: You actually who has or who has a strip of
Speaker 1: spikes you knows.
Speaker 2: Right, or who has the red shell from Mario car? Hey, Sam,
Speaker 2: what's something you think is overrated? Oh?
Speaker 1: Controversial opinion? Here?
Speaker 3: The Spotify algorithm. Oh it was really great for a while,
Speaker 3: but have you noticed over the last year it's gotten worse.
Speaker 1: I've as I'm a long time Spotify user. The algorithm
Speaker 1: has half giveth many great suggestions and now my Discover
Speaker 1: weekly is like a mess. It's a mess. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not giving me the great And I've talked about
Speaker 1: who the DJ the DJ part.
Speaker 3: Of it, whoeveryone is like does that sounds that sounds
Speaker 3: like sim People like, oh the Spotify DJ sounds like you, Sam,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, one the racism not.
Speaker 1: All, I don't know, it sounds like you.
Speaker 3: And two if Spotify was paying me to be a
Speaker 3: DJ voice, I wouldn't be doing shit else but taking
Speaker 3: on Spotify money. You know, when I hear me on
Speaker 3: podcasts like this, I'd be taking Spotify money. And no,
Speaker 3: it's bad now, right.
Speaker 1: Isn't it bad now? I definitely feel like because the
Speaker 1: thing is it in? You know, like we use a
Speaker 1: like my account on like whatever like smart speaker we
Speaker 1: have so when we say so, sometimes we put other
Speaker 1: music on that isn't my taste and then the next
Speaker 1: thing is like, oh so you love this kind of
Speaker 1: a like indie pop music and like not really, man
Speaker 1: like please take it in totality like that was a
Speaker 1: that was a moment, but that's not where my entire
Speaker 1: interests lined. So yeah, it's gotten a little bit harder.
Speaker 1: I had a theory about this.
Speaker 3: So a few months ago Spotify made news because they
Speaker 3: said and announced that new an upcoming artists could pay
Speaker 3: Spotify money to have their songs show up higher in
Speaker 3: people's algorithms and show up more frequently. And I think
Speaker 3: as soon as that happened, it it really screwed with
Speaker 3: the algorithm just tuning into me and my interest. I
Speaker 3: also think that they have leaned more on giving you
Speaker 3: more of the songs you already listened to a lot,
Speaker 3: like I think we all had that three or four
Speaker 3: months this year, where as soon as a playlist was
Speaker 3: done or an album was done, the next song you
Speaker 3: heard was Espresso by Sabrina Carpenter.
Speaker 1: I couldn't avoid it.
Speaker 3: And it felt like the algorithm of two or three
Speaker 3: years ago was more expansive and just gave me more
Speaker 3: new stuff that you'd never heard before.
Speaker 1: But they felt aligned with their interest. It exchanged.
Speaker 2: They're going through the shit the radio went through with
Speaker 2: like Payola and exactly, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: But also we love spotifym my podcast thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we love Spotify to remember, we love it,
Speaker 2: and also and Apple especially the podcast app doesn't have
Speaker 2: any of these problems.
Speaker 1: So no Apple Io Apple a friend of Woke a
Speaker 1: woke god. We love the iOS updates, we love the
Speaker 1: iOS find out. We love to have a podcast.
Speaker 2: The I mean, I remember when this happened to Facebook.
Speaker 2: It feels like every every piece of technology that is
Speaker 2: designed around helping you find information or a thing that
Speaker 2: is going to be entertaining to you goes through this
Speaker 2: process where algorithm is designed to find a thing, like
Speaker 2: and it gets it gets really good at helping you
Speaker 2: find the thing that you want. And then they're like, okay,
Speaker 2: and now we're making money, Like now we have these
Speaker 2: massive numbers, and now we slowly make the product worse
Speaker 2: and worse and worse. And I still remember like Facebook
Speaker 2: was a good place for people to find things.
Speaker 1: I had my phone numbers and my address on Facebook.
Speaker 1: It was so great. Yeah, and then they were like okay,
Speaker 1: and now we.
Speaker 2: Like I remember, you know, on the other side, as
Speaker 2: like somebody who was making content at that time, like
Speaker 2: our you know, content was having a ton of success
Speaker 2: on Facebook. And then slowly they were like, okay, you
Speaker 2: can pay us to be like positioned better. And then
Speaker 2: eventually it was you will not show up unless you
Speaker 2: pay us, and that at that point, it's just only
Speaker 2: the most gullible and not aware of like what is
Speaker 2: actually happening to them. Aka, you know boomers are still
Speaker 2: going to use that product at that point.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you?
Speaker 3: This brings up what is one of my favorite essays
Speaker 3: that has explained the way the internet and apps have
Speaker 3: treated us for fifteen years. You've probably read it before.
Speaker 3: This writer and thinker called Cory Doctorow. He has a
Speaker 3: theory called in shiitification.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he wrote this es.
Speaker 3: Say about the incertification of everything. Y'all have heard it before.
Speaker 3: But basically he argues that first these new apps, these
Speaker 3: new vendors, these new players, they do whatever it takes
Speaker 3: to attract users and be good to users. Then they
Speaker 3: do whatever it takes to attract business customers, which means
Speaker 3: that users matters less. And then they make their business
Speaker 3: model just serve the shareholders in maximizing profit. And so,
Speaker 3: without fail, an app that was really good to users,
Speaker 3: within three to five years, it's only good for shareholders.
Speaker 1: And this happens with whatever the app is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's currently the app that is gaining steam
Speaker 2: because it's not doing the in stification aka rot economy.
Speaker 2: We've called it before on the show shout out to
Speaker 2: what's that his name, Ron, who calls it the rott economy.
Speaker 2: But it feels like TikTok's the one place that isn't
Speaker 2: actively making its product worse.
Speaker 1: Or just wait monitor way once they find out how
Speaker 1: to monetize it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact that like they're trying to figure out,
Speaker 2: like how what's the next money making thing? Is it Ai,
Speaker 2: like ai that writes shitty news articles for you or
Speaker 2: you know, it's just like no, just have the thing
Speaker 2: that is going to be good once TikTok starts being shitty,
Speaker 2: because that's an inevitability.
Speaker 1: Because they're trying, because like TikTok is really trying with
Speaker 1: that TikTok shop.
Speaker 3: But I think people really figured out quite quickly that
Speaker 3: the stuff on the TikTok shop is.
Speaker 1: Like worse than Timu. It's bad stuff you don't.
Speaker 2: Want that, you don't want that turn green, even if
Speaker 2: it's not a piece of jewelry that goes around your neck.
Speaker 1: Somehow. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I like geek out on the incentification ship. It
Speaker 3: explains everything.
Speaker 1: It explains Oh yeah, cause most people just do the
Speaker 1: thing where they're like this used to be good it
Speaker 1: used to be good. Yeah, and then you're like, we're
Speaker 1: just like so it's called shareholder value. Shareholder value, and
Speaker 1: it's ruining everything.
Speaker 2: Literally when Mark Zuckerberg walked into shareholder meetings and flip flops, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm aldoh bitch, and then he's eventually like, we need
Speaker 2: to capture shareholder value.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, right now what shareholders are ruining and
Speaker 3: what VC is ruining. There's tons of coverage around this
Speaker 3: VC and venture capital. They're buying up veterinary care, so
Speaker 3: a lot of vats that were private are now owned
Speaker 3: by these vcs. And you'll notice all the rights of
Speaker 3: going up. Yeah, all the rights for private equity is uh,
Speaker 3: the devil private equity You're right, not.
Speaker 1: Via the devil, Corey doctor al. He's got a really
Speaker 1: good substack post on just private equity too. That's just
Speaker 1: how it's like everything died because of this red well
Speaker 1: it's just smart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's perverse sentives because their goal is not to
Speaker 3: make a good company, is to make things that they
Speaker 3: can sell for parts. Right, Yeah, you don't get me started, okay,
Speaker 3: all right, sorry, yeah, we we won't.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break. We'll be right back and
Speaker 1: we're back and just a whore.
Speaker 2: You know, we recently talked about Hurricane Helene and these
Speaker 2: storms that are doing things that storms used to not do.
Speaker 2: They used to be or they would happen, you know,
Speaker 2: once a century, once every two century, and now they're
Speaker 2: happening on a pretty regular basis. And before we were
Speaker 2: finished saying that sentence, another even bigger hurricane started developing
Speaker 2: in the Gulf of Mexico. Just like chilling in the
Speaker 2: Gulf of Mexico, fucking terrifying storm. Hurricane Milton. It's intensifying
Speaker 2: at a rate that like, I don't know, this clip
Speaker 2: you found, Miles kind of blew my mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think you saw things like it
Speaker 1: started as a tropical storm and then became a Category
Speaker 1: four just over the weekend. And people are like, that's
Speaker 1: a progression that is pretty wild. And yeah, like you said,
Speaker 1: I'm like, like hearing meteorologists and atmospheric scientists talk about it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm a podcaster. What does this all means? Simple?
Speaker 1: Put right? So, like Helene brought like a four day
Speaker 1: between four and eight feet of a storm search which
Speaker 1: is to cause terrible damage. Milton is expected to bring
Speaker 1: between ten and fifteen feet of like water, like we're
Speaker 1: the wall, Yes, a wall of water storm surge that
Speaker 1: has been described by the mayor of Tampa as unsurvivable.
Speaker 1: They're saying, if you do not leave, write your name
Speaker 1: on your body so people can identify. Listen, if you
Speaker 1: got Tampa people saying it's unsurvivable, believe them. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: so the thing that really freaked me out or not
Speaker 1: freaked I mean, yes, freaked me out or I got
Speaker 1: I understood, just the severity of it is this clip
Speaker 1: of this meteorologist, nam John Morales, who's in Florida. He's
Speaker 1: merely just watching the storm sort of you know, evolve,
Speaker 1: and he is absolutely his breath is taken by this.
Speaker 1: And I'll just play this for you because I think
Speaker 1: it's like one of those scenes in a movie where
Speaker 1: you hear like a scientist like sort of like just
Speaker 1: like clutch their shirt or something in horror. That's kind
Speaker 1: of what this feels like. So this is John Morales
Speaker 1: sort of talking about just how powerful it's becoming and
Speaker 1: how quickly it's become powerful.
Speaker 6: It's just an incredible, incredible, incredible hurricane. It has dropped
Speaker 6: he has dropped fifteen mili bars in ten hours. I apologize.
Speaker 1: This is just.
Speaker 6: Horrific when maximum sustained winds are one hundred and sixty
Speaker 6: miles per hour and it it is just gaining strength
Speaker 6: in the Gulf of Mexico where you can imagine the winds.
Speaker 6: I mean, these are just so incredibly incredibly hot, a
Speaker 6: record hot as you might imagine.
Speaker 1: You know what's driving that. I don't need to tell you,
Speaker 1: Globerg what what what is this guy talking about? I
Speaker 1: didn't know that we were I was just channel Come on, man, well,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Is obviously the lower the pressure, the
Speaker 1: higher the intensity, right, so when it's dropping that quickly,
Speaker 1: it's intensifying at a rate. That's why he was just
Speaker 1: like the he just couldn't believe what he was seeing.
Speaker 1: And you and you understand that's why you're going to
Speaker 1: get these like storm surges that are catastrophic. So while
Speaker 1: this is happening now, that's that's someone who's trying to
Speaker 1: communicate the severity of this storm that people need to
Speaker 1: get like to evacuate if possible, and do whatever they
Speaker 1: can to stay safe. You got Ron DeSantis over here,
Speaker 1: the governor of Florida, just like now, evoking like the
Speaker 1: specter of people of color looting, right, this is.
Speaker 7: Not going to be an opportunity for folks to take
Speaker 7: advantage of people. If you think you're going to go
Speaker 7: in and loot, you got another thing coming. You go
Speaker 7: into somebody's house after the storm passes, think that that
Speaker 7: you're going to be able to commit crimes, You're going
Speaker 7: to get in really serious trouble and quite frankly, you
Speaker 7: don't know what's behind that door in a Second Amendment state,
Speaker 7: So do not try to take advantage of people who
Speaker 7: are suffering because of the results of this storm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's what he's most concerned about.
Speaker 6: That.
Speaker 1: What about people who like, what about critical medical infrastructure
Speaker 1: if the power goes out? What of those people? And
Speaker 1: you're doing this thing where it's like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dirty, hairy about what about Ron DeSantis fighting the
Speaker 3: disinformation coming from Donald Trump ahead of his party?
Speaker 1: What about that? Yeah? What about him actively avoiding phone
Speaker 1: calls from Joe Biden or Kamala Harris because he doesn't
Speaker 1: want their help, because he doesn't like he's trying to
Speaker 1: politicize him, Like we're fine over here, I meet Paul
Speaker 1: rob And also like, aren't all states Second Amendment states,
Speaker 1: like if we're talking about the whatever, that's just that's associate.
Speaker 2: With the ability to shoot anyone who like accidentally steps
Speaker 2: on your property to with Florida. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: technically the Second Amendment does exist in all states. He
Speaker 2: it's just so wild because like to get to that
Speaker 2: messaging that he's so desperately wanted to get to, he
Speaker 2: has to set up a scenario where everybody's sticking around,
Speaker 2: which is the whole fucking point he's trying to like
Speaker 2: he's supposed to be getting is like get out, get out,
Speaker 2: And he's like, and you know, if you're sticking around,
Speaker 2: those homeowners might be super tough and cool and sticking around.
Speaker 2: So like he's he's doing the opposite of sending the
Speaker 2: message that he's supposed to be sending. Yeah, which, well
Speaker 2: just one of like three thousand frustrating things about that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know, horrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been upset with all of the misinformation that's
Speaker 3: been circling around recovery.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: You know, there's some theories that were just coming from
Speaker 3: the Internet. There's some theories that were coming from like
Speaker 3: Marjorie Taylor Green, but like Donald Trump has had his
Speaker 3: fingers and all of this just spreading lies. Yeah, like
Speaker 3: there's a long list that I compiled. I don't even
Speaker 3: want to go through it all, but it's just like ridiculous.
Speaker 3: He has claimed that FEMA and the federal government were
Speaker 3: quote going out of their way to not help people
Speaker 3: in Red states. He claimed that Kamala spent all the
Speaker 3: FEMA money on housing illegal immigrants. Yeah, he said there
Speaker 3: were no helicopters or rescue in North Carolina. Like, it's
Speaker 3: just nonsensical and so unhelpful at a moment when the
Speaker 3: number one priority should be how do we get money,
Speaker 3: aid and relief to whoever the fuck needs it? And
Speaker 3: that's what FEMA's trying to do. Not a perfect organization,
Speaker 3: but they're trying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and exactly. And also, like you know, the budgets
Speaker 1: aren't dictated by Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. That's from
Speaker 1: Congress exactly, and that's part of the that's part of DHS.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff that like again because like
Speaker 1: the structure of the government is not really something most
Speaker 1: people are paying attention to. That it's easiest one, Oh, immigrants,
Speaker 1: they get all the money. So there's no, there's no
Speaker 1: disaster relief money, Like, no, that's not what is happening. Yeah. Good.
Speaker 3: And the politicization of what is usually and customarily something
Speaker 3: both sides they I'll get along on.
Speaker 1: That's been so strange.
Speaker 3: I remember when I was a kid, it didn't matter
Speaker 3: if the governor of your state was a Republican or
Speaker 3: a Democrat. If there was a natural disaster, you made
Speaker 3: an emergent declaration, you asked for that femal money and
Speaker 3: you got it, and the President called the governor and
Speaker 3: they talked, and party didn't matter because you wanted to
Speaker 3: get money and aid to people.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: And the fact that you got Ron DeSantis and Trump
Speaker 3: and others politicizing what should actually be the moment of
Speaker 3: the most bipartisan collaboration.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is disgusting. Yeah, it's all. It's costing lives.
Speaker 1: More people will die because of this bullshit. And like
Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Greenow, she posts like, oh, you don't believe me.
Speaker 1: Look at all these patents the US government has filed.
Speaker 1: And if you like bother to click one, you're like
Speaker 1: this one says about like dropping water from balloons to
Speaker 1: make it to simulate rain, or just things have nothing
Speaker 1: to do with actually controlling the weather, because as you
Speaker 1: were saying earlier, she said they whoever they are. And
Speaker 1: I know, you know, if you look at her history
Speaker 1: of talking about people controlling the weather and shit, yes
Speaker 1: she means usually antisy nonsense. And so the other thing
Speaker 1: too is then you have like people like you know,
Speaker 1: sexual predator and Sea Pac chairman Matt Schlapp, who's like
Speaker 1: wondering out loud, tweeting stuff like quote, we will see
Speaker 1: what happens with this most terrifying of hurricanes in the Gulf.
Speaker 1: At some point we have to ask ourselves if there's
Speaker 1: a divine attempt to get our attention and stop all
Speaker 1: the insanity in our modern existence. And I'm like, I
Speaker 1: guess if the insanity of our modern existence is the
Speaker 1: continued burning of fossil fuels that hastens the death of
Speaker 1: this planet, yeah, then this is definitely one of those
Speaker 1: Jesus warnings. But if this is just a sad, you know,
Speaker 1: regressive attempt to connect this shit to like trans rites
Speaker 1: or something, then please fuck right off. Like we've retired
Speaker 1: of this nonsense like trying to be like, you know,
Speaker 1: you know why, because God hates you know, who that's
Speaker 1: like us.
Speaker 3: And then here's the most annoying part of all of it.
Speaker 3: After the dust settles with this and the rain dries up,
Speaker 3: the same Republican political leaders who were spreading lies about
Speaker 3: FEMA and recovery will make campaign ads talking about how
Speaker 3: they got federally funded to their districts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has some bullshit. Yeah, and it's always funny too,
Speaker 1: because I remember Lauren Bobert was like saying, like, you know,
Speaker 1: the state didn't give Colorado anything. It's like, you voted
Speaker 1: against these bills and then you said, then you touted
Speaker 1: the benefits of it. She's like, well, you know, you
Speaker 1: have to understand. But again, for that base, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It's just it's all it's it's all just part of
Speaker 1: the narrative that they need to invest in. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and here we are, here, we are here, we are Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do feel like you still hear stories about people
Speaker 1: just working together at a local, like human to human level,
Speaker 1: like regardless of what their political affiliation is.
Speaker 2: You know, people are still helping each other out when
Speaker 2: a major disaster like this happens. It's just that the
Speaker 2: leadership has gotten so polarized that they well, this isn't
Speaker 2: work together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's like you'll see these stories, especially in
Speaker 3: like Louisiana and that part of the country.
Speaker 1: It'll be like it'll be these.
Speaker 3: Grizzly ass, middle aged white dudes who look like full Trumpers.
Speaker 3: They would scare me if I saw them at night
Speaker 3: on the street. But then the storm comes and they
Speaker 3: just get in their boats and start saving people, and
Speaker 3: it's just this beautiful harmony, like you will see the
Speaker 3: most coming together of American people at the after a
Speaker 3: disaster like this, black folks, white folks, rich folks, poor people.
Speaker 3: And the fact that DeSantis and Trump and Marjorie are
Speaker 3: trying to shit on that right now.
Speaker 1: Oof yeah, yeah, pisses me off. It's just the I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, especially looking at this election, that's just the
Speaker 1: playbook is just to turn up the rhetoric to the
Speaker 1: most disgusting levels and then just hoping it's like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe we can turn out the people who really respond
Speaker 1: to this really vile stuff, because like, we're not winning
Speaker 1: people in the middle, so we might as well just
Speaker 1: go further to the right and see who we can
Speaker 1: turn it out mathematically there.
Speaker 3: And it seems like a true extension of what Vance
Speaker 3: and Trump were doing in Springfield, Ohio just a few
Speaker 3: weeks ago, spreading lies about migrants eating cats and dogs.
Speaker 3: They knew it wasn't true, but they lied and then
Speaker 3: basically said they were lying and kept doing it. Right, Like,
Speaker 3: even if these officials are called out about the lies
Speaker 3: about hurricane stuff, they won't retract the statement, they won't apologize,
Speaker 3: They'll just say, all right, whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. It's like, well, I guess maybe it wasn't
Speaker 1: one of those warnings from God.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, let's let's take a quick
Speaker 2: break and we'll be right back, and we're back. You
Speaker 2: might have seen a headlined maybe two that mentioned the
Speaker 2: idea of October surprise. Hell, we've covered it on this podcast.
Speaker 2: We're not we're not innocent. Our hands aren't clean. It's
Speaker 2: it's kind of a perfect story because it's, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like being scared of the dark. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: we don't know what it is, and so our imagination
Speaker 2: can concoct all these things that could totally flip the
Speaker 2: election on its head. Right, But it does seem to
Speaker 2: have turned a corner to the point where the media
Speaker 2: is just using this story to get clicks, get attention,
Speaker 2: create a heightened sense of anxiety without there being really
Speaker 2: anything there. So I'm just gonna read a couple headlines
Speaker 2: for you. The first is from the BBC Notable tabloid.
Speaker 2: The BBC wrote the headline Trump and Harris are deadlocked?
Speaker 2: Could October surprise change the game?
Speaker 1: Could it?
Speaker 2: The potential October surprise looms a month before election?
Speaker 1: Deck?
Speaker 2: The potential October surprise looms a month before Like, that's
Speaker 2: not even a sentence. That's from the State Press Statepress
Speaker 2: dot com. Could us port strength be the October surprise
Speaker 2: that trips up Kamala Harris? Is Malania Trump her husband's
Speaker 2: October surprise?
Speaker 1: That's courtesy of Northeastern.
Speaker 2: And then this is my favorite because I actually clicked
Speaker 2: through read this article how an October surprise could impact
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four election comma. According to Pulling Nostradamus,
Speaker 2: uh So, I was like, Okay, I think I know
Speaker 2: who they're talking about. It's the guy who has like
Speaker 2: thirteen keys of the election.
Speaker 1: He's been everywhere, he's been everywhere, hungry they're even doing
Speaker 1: that is a horse race. They're like, ooh, she's got
Speaker 1: ten of the thirteen keys. Ooh, maybe she has nine
Speaker 1: of thirteen and Trump that's spot like okay, so it
Speaker 1: is just want to pick me energy, look over here,
Speaker 1: click over here, pick me yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, first of all, it's interesting they call him the
Speaker 2: polling noster Domas because his model does not take poles
Speaker 2: into account at all.
Speaker 1: In fact, it like explicitly does.
Speaker 2: The point is that he's only looking at big picture stuff,
Speaker 2: not polling, and is still able to do this. Also,
Speaker 2: he's been able to pick the right election every time
Speaker 2: since nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: Except for al Gore.
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, but al Gore won the popular vote,
Speaker 2: and then people are like, okay, so then what about
Speaker 2: Trump because he picked Trump in twenty sixteen and he
Speaker 2: did on the popular vote. Yeah, And he's like, and
Speaker 2: then he throws a smoke bomb on the around and
Speaker 2: dives through a window. But the so the way the
Speaker 2: headline is constructed, how an October surprise could impact the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four election, You would seem to think that
Speaker 2: there's an answer in the article that is like, here's
Speaker 2: how could it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, The answer, in fact is it won't. It won't impact.
Speaker 1: That's how they.
Speaker 2: Literally ask him and in the first paragraph, he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I've never once changed my prediction based on an October surprise.
Speaker 2: I think October surprises are bullshit. And yeah, he's just like,
Speaker 2: you know, the all the stories that have happened in
Speaker 2: October not necessarily that as impactful. It's just a thing
Speaker 2: that you know, the media is on heightened alert, and
Speaker 2: you know, when you are super amped up, like the
Speaker 2: memories that forma at that moment seem more significant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like can kind of Yeah, can I
Speaker 3: tell you, as a legacy or as an alumni of
Speaker 3: a legacy newsroom, can I tell you what I think
Speaker 3: an October surprise is. Yes, it is a message to
Speaker 3: everyone in your newsroom that you got a month left
Speaker 3: to get as many clicks as possible for during election coverage,
Speaker 3: because after election.
Speaker 1: Date it falls off a cliff, right. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: a message to the industry, not a message to voters. Yeah. Interest,
Speaker 1: And it's very.
Speaker 3: All these October surprise headlines you listed, it very much
Speaker 3: feels like crying wolf and there's no wolf.
Speaker 1: Look over here. I think I hear something. Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't hear anything. It's just such bs And I think
Speaker 1: the last.
Speaker 3: Time that we thought we had a real, real, real
Speaker 3: live October surprise was probably that Trump.
Speaker 1: Access Hollywood tape. And you know what, it didn't do.
Speaker 3: It didn't cost that man the election. It didn't cost
Speaker 3: some of the election at all. So no, I'm so
Speaker 3: over the October surprise discourse. And it's just like the
Speaker 3: last grasp. And I still love legacy media. I listened
Speaker 3: to it. I like it, but it's the last grasp
Speaker 3: of legacy media pretending as if they can control a
Speaker 3: media narrative around politics.
Speaker 2: Right, it is just grasps for control. Even if it
Speaker 2: were surprise, yeah yeah, even if it was real, at
Speaker 2: one point, it would no longer be real, right, because
Speaker 2: the legacy media doesn't have the ability to.
Speaker 1: And it's not for lack of trying. I do want to,
Speaker 1: we try, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: The New York Times did have this opinion piece yesterday,
Speaker 2: this year's October surprise maybe that there isn't one. So
Speaker 2: the October surprise in this case is the fact that
Speaker 2: the real October surprise was the friends we made.
Speaker 1: Friends we made a lot of way.
Speaker 3: My thing with these October surprise is that a story
Speaker 3: isn't it's a story if you can write a whole
Speaker 3: story that changes not one iota of any reader's worldview
Speaker 3: or perspective or knowledge. The article shouldn't be written, right,
Speaker 3: If you have a whole article of a thousand words
Speaker 3: of maybe.
Speaker 1: We'll see you didn't need to write it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It pisses me off.
Speaker 2: That would be so dope if like just the New
Speaker 2: York Times, like any media outlet, only published when they
Speaker 2: had something that was actually new, and you were like,
Speaker 2: holy shit, you guys, The New York Times just dropped
Speaker 2: a story like they hadn't dropped one in eight days
Speaker 2: and we're only a week out in the election.
Speaker 1: This must be important.
Speaker 3: I want I want legacy newsrooms to drop headlines and
Speaker 3: articles the way Beyonce drops albums.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, Only.
Speaker 3: When it's ready, only when it's good, usually by surprise,
Speaker 3: at a time that is connected to when the story
Speaker 3: is ready.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not when they think it's optimal for viewing, right,
Speaker 1: not like how like Taylor Swift has new albums that
Speaker 1: are like special editions and all the time like was
Speaker 1: this new? It's like, oh, well, it's on a different
Speaker 1: kind of vinyl, Like I guess that's.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you one thing I'll never do on
Speaker 3: a microphone ever again, is say anything not even nice
Speaker 3: about Taylor's.
Speaker 1: Well, oh yeah, we've already we've already burned those bridges.
Speaker 1: We don't have to analyze something. But look, it's all love.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, get your money, you know, get your money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I see famous to your point. Some of
Speaker 2: the most famous recent examples of October surprises were Bush's
Speaker 2: dui and Trump's Access Hollywood tape. I'd forgotten Dui. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they both won, and people considered the Comy letter
Speaker 2: also like some kind of Yeah, I guess the Comy
Speaker 2: letter is the one that still seems to like hold
Speaker 2: weight as well. This might have hurt, and I do
Speaker 2: think it probably cuts in the direction of like people
Speaker 2: didn't trust Hillary Clinton, and so it undermined in the
Speaker 2: same way. And I also think like the Access Hollywood
Speaker 2: tape probably didn't help him.
Speaker 1: I think he probably won. No, I think I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: even if both of those things didn't exist, I think
Speaker 1: that election probably was going to end the same way.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, again, I think that's all because in
Speaker 1: that when we do post mortems on election, it's always like, well,
Speaker 1: we have to describe all this importance to these things
Speaker 1: to make it seem like logical, like how we got here.
Speaker 2: Two October surprises that are pretty wild. And so the
Speaker 2: first was Nixon kind of going behind the scenes with
Speaker 2: it and trying to hold off the negotiation of peace
Speaker 2: in the Vietnam War until he was elected and being like,
Speaker 2: I actually have a better plan, it will be more
Speaker 2: favorable to you. Then he gets elected psych two and
Speaker 2: a half more years of war, more than that, more
Speaker 2: years of war. And then there's also where we actually
Speaker 2: got the idea of an October surprise. So it was
Speaker 2: invented by the Republicans. And I know that's going to
Speaker 2: be hard for people to believe because it is an annoying,
Speaker 2: a moral scheme and that doesn't cohere with what we
Speaker 2: think of the Republicans. But basically it was coined by
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan, ally William Casey, who later became the director
Speaker 2: of the CIA, but at this time he was working
Speaker 2: to try and get Ronald Reagan elected in nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: and he was warning Republicans that President Jimmy Carter was
Speaker 2: preparing an October surprise, which was the release of the
Speaker 2: American hostages in Iran. Because they had yet to be
Speaker 2: rescued by Ben Affleck.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 2: In the very first place, October Surprise was just a
Speaker 2: threat being used by the Republicans to scare themselves. So
Speaker 2: that is its proud tradition, is it is a threat
Speaker 2: of something that doesn't ultimately come to pass. And that
Speaker 2: threat led them to secretly negotiate the delay of the
Speaker 2: release of the hostages until after Reagan had been elected damn.
Speaker 2: And there were some congressional investigations into that, and they
Speaker 2: were like, the congressional investigations were like, actually, we found
Speaker 2: out this didn't happen. And then last year, former protege
Speaker 2: of former Texas Governor John Connolly admitted his name is
Speaker 2: Ben Barnes. He admitted to The New York Times that
Speaker 2: he was involved in those secret negotiations and that they
Speaker 2: reported them back to Casey. So it did happen according
Speaker 2: to this source who was involved in it. And that
Speaker 2: is that is like the October Surprise that like does
Speaker 2: actually seem like it would cause changes. But to me
Speaker 2: right now, it feels like every day there are three
Speaker 2: Trump stories. Like we talked yesterday about Trump talking about
Speaker 2: the genes of people coming into this country, like them
Speaker 2: having like murder Jens like race science.
Speaker 1: All right, I didn't see that. Wait where do you
Speaker 1: say that? Which broke said that? Which like not even
Speaker 1: his ultimate conservative bro, Hugh Hewitt. He was on Hugh
Speaker 1: Hewitt's that ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Donald Trump go on a podcast hosted by a
Speaker 3: woman challenge.
Speaker 1: That would be how Laura Ingram fact checked him though
Speaker 1: the other day. Oh, she was checking him in real
Speaker 1: time and he was like trying, like when he was
Speaker 1: talking about you know, different again like Helene misinformation. She
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I think he should be here.
Speaker 1: I'll just play this clip because it is really interesting
Speaker 1: just to see how he is getting fact checked by
Speaker 1: Laura Ingram of all people. But here it is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're offering people seven hundred and fifty dollars for
Speaker 4: immediately for the worst. Yeah, but for the worst hurricane
Speaker 4: that anybody's seen. But she shouldn't be there anyway, she
Speaker 4: should be I would say that North Carolina is so bad.
Speaker 1: And she was there today for three hours. I believe
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. Oh, Laura said not on my watch. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just somehow was like I'm done with you, bro, I'm
Speaker 1: done with you. She was there three hours, asshole, anyways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I mean that would be like in
Speaker 2: it in and out with another presidential candidate.
Speaker 1: That would be news.
Speaker 2: Him just going full eugenics would be news. Him saying
Speaker 2: that when he gets into office he would like to
Speaker 2: develop Gaza into like an island resort resort would be news.
Speaker 2: There's also you know, Bob Woodward has a book coming
Speaker 2: out that talks about how Trump during his administration sent
Speaker 2: Vladimir Putin like his private stash of COVID tests at
Speaker 2: a time when like the nation was sure. It was
Speaker 2: like straight up private stash, like here you go, buddy,
Speaker 2: and Putin had to be like Okay, thank you, but
Speaker 2: do not tell anybody about this. They're gonna they're gonna
Speaker 2: know something's going on.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So all these things. We talked about these
Speaker 1: on trending yesterday.
Speaker 2: But I just got like, yeah, I want to give
Speaker 2: these examples as like things that every day, there's like
Speaker 2: four things that could be an October surprise. So I
Speaker 2: just I think it's interesting to keep in mind the
Speaker 2: context whenever somebody says October surprise, the context they're using
Speaker 2: is a story about Kamala Harris that is going to
Speaker 2: torpedo Hart because we there is no conceivable story that
Speaker 2: would damage Donald Trump at this point, like we because
Speaker 2: we get three four of them every day, Like he
Speaker 2: doesn't give a fuck, He's throwing just shedding these stories.
Speaker 3: Well, and this is what's so crazy and frustrating to see.
Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier, Kamala is really good and impressive interview
Speaker 3: on Alex Cooper's Call Her Daddy, where they went deep
Speaker 3: on women's rights and sexual assault, and it was a
Speaker 3: deep and introspective conversation that you would not have seen
Speaker 3: Kamala have in a legacy newsroom. It was beautiful to
Speaker 3: behold and a surprise to me as someone who's covered
Speaker 3: politics before. And like, she is continually getting better as
Speaker 3: a candidate, better at doing this thing. Trump consistently gets
Speaker 3: worse every day. He's saying more foolishness. And if the
Speaker 3: polls remained locked and tied and close, close, close, it
Speaker 3: baffles me.
Speaker 1: It baffles me. Yeah, I think it's just like I
Speaker 1: think at this point, it's clear to most people. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're when you're looking at this binary between the two candidates,
Speaker 1: most people are like, yeah, I'm not moving from where
Speaker 1: I'm at. Yeah, there's no amount and that's the thing
Speaker 1: with this October surprise. It's like just for people's confirmation bias,
Speaker 1: you know, and just to be like, well is this
Speaker 1: this could be this if look, if everything is in
Speaker 1: October surprise, then nothing is in October surprise, So yeah,
Speaker 1: leave it alone.
Speaker 3: The October surprise is that we as a nation still
Speaker 3: make it really hard for most people to vote. And
Speaker 3: I'm surprised by that, and so I want to use
Speaker 3: this moment. Does anyone listen to this podcast right now
Speaker 3: who doesn't have a voting plan and isn't registered. It's
Speaker 3: actually hard to do in America to work on it.
Speaker 3: Now you have a month, yeah, yeah, we have a month.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: I just I think it's worth like keeping an eye
Speaker 2: on the effect, not like keeping an eye on like
Speaker 2: wait for the October surprise, but just keep like the
Speaker 2: media is thirsty for an October surprise, and they can't
Speaker 2: conceivably come up one with one for Trump. We've seen
Speaker 2: them come up with not an October surprise, but like
Speaker 2: the Dean Scream was a situation where I was like
Speaker 2: that the mainstream media was like this guy not not
Speaker 2: really right, Like yeah, you guys like them, but not
Speaker 2: really and so I'm not saying they're definitely gonna concoct something,
Speaker 2: but I think they are going to give a good
Speaker 2: hard look at anything that they can take the take
Speaker 2: heed of, you know, the not so subtle message coming
Speaker 2: from the head of their newsroom, like you said, Sam,
Speaker 2: that like this is your warning.
Speaker 1: Get big ass news stories cooked up now.
Speaker 3: Well, and I mean, especially for the cable news players,
Speaker 3: we know now we've seen the numbers, Trump is actually
Speaker 3: good for their bottom lines. Trump isn't good for their
Speaker 3: bottom lines, good for their ratings. And so if you're
Speaker 3: seeing INN, if you're MSNBC, if you're any of those players,
Speaker 3: you actually know in your heart of hearts that him
Speaker 3: being foolish.
Speaker 1: Is good for you.
Speaker 3: And so my question and my challenge to my colleagues
Speaker 3: and these legacy newsrooms is just like, how can you
Speaker 3: see that reality, know that reality, but still like call
Speaker 3: out the bullshit and speak truth and understand.
Speaker 2: That, like.
Speaker 3: You need to be looking for the surprises or non surprises,
Speaker 3: like even after this election cycle, even if Trump goes away,
Speaker 3: It's just like I hate to see what the October
Speaker 3: surprise symbolizes, which is this real business cycle and money
Speaker 3: cycle of the way news is covered, and there's more
Speaker 3: attention paid to journalism in election years. There's more attention
Speaker 3: paid to journalism and journalists when the candidates are crazier.
Speaker 3: And it's just like these perverse incentives that I'm really
Speaker 3: tired of.
Speaker 1: AnyWho? Any Who?
Speaker 2: Sam, Yes, truly a pleasure having you on the show today.
Speaker 2: Where can people find you? Follow you, hear you all
Speaker 2: that good stuff? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, One, thank y'all for indulging me and letting me
Speaker 3: ramble and soapbox and shake my fist like an old man.
Speaker 1: Thank you for class to join us. And two, in
Speaker 1: terms of.
Speaker 3: Socials, I'm on most platforms at Sam Sanders all one
Speaker 3: word S A M S A N D E R S.
Speaker 3: But I really want to talk about my two podcasts.
Speaker 3: One's been around for a few years, the other is new.
Speaker 3: I'll mention the new one first. It's called The Sam
Speaker 3: Sanders Show. It's an entertainment and pop culture show about
Speaker 3: the fun stuff we obsess over in our free time, movies, books, TVs, internet, memes,
Speaker 3: et cetera, and the people who make it. We've got
Speaker 3: two episodes out right now. You can hear it on
Speaker 3: KSRW here in Los Angeles. You can find it in
Speaker 3: podcast feeds and it's also on YouTube. Full video in studio.
Speaker 3: Two EPs up now, one conversation with Joel Kim Booster
Speaker 3: Activity Writer, anothernversation with Sesher Zameta, one of the witches
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Speaker 3: is fun. It's good, big energy. And then my other
Speaker 3: show that's been around for a while is called Vibe Check.
Speaker 3: It's a weekly chat around news and culture in the
Speaker 3: spirit of this show, and I talk with my dear
Speaker 3: friends Zach Stafford and Sai Jones every week and publish
Speaker 3: those episodes every Wednesday. And we soapbox a lot about politics.
Speaker 3: And let me tell you, what's fun hearing a poet
Speaker 3: like Saii Jones soapbox on politics. It's music of the years.
Speaker 1: AnyWho? Those are my shows. Great. Is there a work
Speaker 1: of media that you've been enjoying?
Speaker 3: Ooh, this novel is bonkers. It's called Rejection. It's a
Speaker 3: fiction work that was long listed for the National Book
Speaker 3: Award this year. It's by Tony Tula Tamute and it's
Speaker 3: these seven connected short stories all about asshole people facing rejection.
Speaker 3: The first essay fiction is about this guy who purports
Speaker 3: to be an ally and supports women and is woke
Speaker 3: as fuck. But after too many women FriendZone him, he
Speaker 3: becomes an inceell, and the essay chronicles the shift. Then
Speaker 3: the next essay is about a woman who becomes an inceell,
Speaker 3: And then you realize, over the course of the book,
Speaker 3: all these horrible people facing rejection end up with plotlines
Speaker 3: that converge and connect. It's wild. I've been covering my
Speaker 3: mouth reading the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Read it. It's insane rejection. I like it.
Speaker 2: Damn classy media recommendation for a classy guests. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: Mile Miles, Where can people find you? Is there a
Speaker 2: work media you've been enjoyed? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray.
Speaker 1: If you like the NBA basketball talk, you can find
Speaker 1: Jack and I on that podcast Miles and Jack Got
Speaker 1: Mad Boosties. You can also find me talking about ninety
Speaker 1: day Fiance on four to twenty Day Fiance a tweet
Speaker 1: I like, is I think I have a tweet? Yes?
Speaker 1: Where is it again? I'm going off of the conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories from Marjorie Taylor Green at Candorade. The Great el
Speaker 1: Wilkisimo on Twitter tweeted as a lib. The worst part
Speaker 1: of controlling the hurricanes is you still have to send
Speaker 1: ninety five percent of them at random Caribbean islands or
Speaker 1: the Yucatan or wherever to keep up the ruse that
Speaker 1: they're natural. Now, the tornado machine, you can really go
Speaker 1: wild on conservatives with that thing. That tornado machine.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's where you really get to cook, all right,
Speaker 2: tweet I've been enjoying PJ at PJ Evans tweeted, Hey guys,
Speaker 2: I'll be doing some stuff with mister Beast on this
Speaker 2: channel soon. Don't want to give too much away, but
Speaker 2: I'll be killing a dentist.
Speaker 1: Whoa Also everything mister Beast makes me feel one hundred
Speaker 1: years old. I don't want it. Yeah, I don't get it.
Speaker 1: What sounds like that that things starting to crumble a
Speaker 1: little bit?
Speaker 6: Him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it killed that dentist.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien.
Speaker 2: You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeitgeist. We're
Speaker 2: at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a Facebook
Speaker 2: fan page and a website, Daily zeitgeist dot com, where
Speaker 2: we post our episodes and our footnote. We link off
Speaker 2: to the information that we talked about in today's episode,
Speaker 2: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy.
Speaker 1: Hey, Miles, is there a song that you think you
Speaker 1: might are doing? I think so. Uh, we've I think
Speaker 1: we went out on a track before by Remy Wolf.
Speaker 1: It was Cinderella. Last time I suggest one to say
Speaker 1: a little birdie named Novena Carmel. I overheard this today.
Speaker 1: I heard our very Sam Sanders is also a fan
Speaker 1: of Remy Wolf. Uh, and that's why there's another track
Speaker 1: called Poro that I really like to. Remy Wolf has
Speaker 1: a great voice, her style is really dope for like
Speaker 1: these newer artists. She also if you like Lola Young,
Speaker 1: I've suggested a few Lola Young's tracks. Similar same production team,
Speaker 1: so like they have overlapping collaborators. So that's why I
Speaker 1: think they kind of they have like that little bit
Speaker 1: of swag to them. So this is choral by Remy Wolf.
Speaker 2: All right, we will link off to that in the
Speaker 2: footnote from the daily is guys is the production of
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Speaker 2: listen to your pavorite shows. That is gonna do it
Speaker 2: for us this morning, but we are back this afternoon
Speaker 2: to tell you what is trending, and we will talk
Speaker 2: to you all then.
Speaker 1: Bye bye,