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Speaker 1: Today's episode is with Kyle Aldrink. Kyle is a PGA pro,
Speaker 1: a teaching pro He has been my teacher for nearly
Speaker 1: a decade, although I have not gone and gotten a
Speaker 1: lesson in a few years. Kyle is one of the
Speaker 1: brightest young minds in golf instruction. He's been on Golf
Speaker 1: Digest list of top teachers under the age of forty
Speaker 1: for a few years running. He has come up with
Speaker 1: a new system called the Mental Golf Type and it's
Speaker 1: all centered around personality traits. So I'm sure many of
Speaker 1: you that work in an office or team setting at
Speaker 1: your job are aware of personality tests and you know
Speaker 1: they help you work with different people in a workplace. Well,
Speaker 1: this he's over to golf and I had never really
Speaker 1: thought of it, but then Kyle kind of talked to
Speaker 1: me about the stuff he'd been working on, and I
Speaker 1: took the personality test and sure enough, like it, like
Speaker 1: hits exactly what type of golfer I am, where I
Speaker 1: have struggles everything. So I had Kyle on we talked
Speaker 1: about this personality test and personality based things with golf
Speaker 1: and how you should approach it. He has a Instagram
Speaker 1: page at a Mental Golf Type. I'd recommend following that
Speaker 1: and then you know, if you're interested, check out his website.
Speaker 1: There's a free personality test there and you can kind
Speaker 1: of get started into looking into, you know, different things
Speaker 1: and tendencies and how you should, you know, go about
Speaker 1: playing better golf. So this is a little bit different
Speaker 1: than our standard episode, but I found the topic extremely fascinating,
Speaker 1: so I figured you guys would too. Without further ado,
Speaker 1: here is Kyle Alderink I.
Speaker 2: Miss a green, for example, upset when I find my
Speaker 2: ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 3: And when I find my.
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Speaker 2: Frida egg egg bride egg lie, I'm.
Speaker 1: About ready to run off the golf course. Uh mental
Speaker 1: golf type. What does that mean?
Speaker 3: Well, it's just putting it right on blast there at
Speaker 3: the beginning. I love it. I mean essentially, what it
Speaker 3: means is everybody's not the same.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the easiest and simplest way to put it,
Speaker 2: you know, But in terms of mental game performance, everybody
Speaker 2: kind of tries to lump everybody into the same category.
Speaker 2: And you know, when I really was diving into uh
Speaker 2: sports psychology and mental game and performance and all that stuff,
Speaker 2: I realized the message was always the same and It
Speaker 2: never really made sense to me because you just, I mean,
Speaker 2: you talk to enough people, dude, like nobody's really wired.
Speaker 3: The same way.
Speaker 2: How people play, how people perform is going to be different,
Speaker 2: especially when you see different personalities on the tours.
Speaker 3: I mean you see your.
Speaker 2: Bryson's and you see your Justin Thomas's and your Dustin's
Speaker 2: and Lexi Thompson's. I mean, everybody's just got their own
Speaker 2: kind of way of doing things. And what I really
Speaker 2: noticed was, you know, it was the ones at the
Speaker 2: higher level that were the ones kind of being okay
Speaker 2: being them. It was the ones on the lower tours,
Speaker 2: the minis or college trying to work their way up,
Speaker 2: that was trying to follow everybody else's way of doing things.
Speaker 2: So I always found that kind of fascinating, and you know,
Speaker 2: getting deeper into it, you know, the I guess the
Speaker 2: little bit of the background is I came across this guy,
Speaker 2: John Weir, who introduced me to personality types and how
Speaker 2: that and how these facets of our personality affect everything.
Speaker 2: I met when he was working with Mike Bender as
Speaker 2: a lead academy, and you know what he showed me
Speaker 2: kind of just rock my world.
Speaker 3: Man. It changed my whole way of thinking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so obviously, like anybody that works in an office
Speaker 1: can relate to this. I remember a couple of my
Speaker 1: jobs we did personality tests and just understanding how your colleagues,
Speaker 1: what their types of personalities they are, help you work
Speaker 1: with somebody better. So I imagine golf is no different,
Speaker 1: whether it's you're working with an instructor, you're working with
Speaker 1: a you know, a physio you're working, or you're just
Speaker 1: working on yourself, working on becoming a better player. Understanding
Speaker 1: your strength and weaknesses as a person and your your
Speaker 1: type of personality, how you take in information is very
Speaker 1: important on the golf side.
Speaker 3: Well for sure, you know, and people don't like to
Speaker 3: be lumped in a box. My argument's always been everybody's
Speaker 3: been lumped into a box, especially into that.
Speaker 2: But it's the application that is really unique to what
Speaker 2: mental golf type does. And you know, I've seen personality
Speaker 2: stuff around even as a coach, where you know, people
Speaker 2: would offer, hey, this person you need to be more
Speaker 2: gentle with and things like that, but it never really
Speaker 2: gave an application of how does this help players perform better?
Speaker 2: And you know what John introduced me to, which was
Speaker 2: really the game Changers is stress is really what tanks
Speaker 2: everybody's performance. Like you and I know because we've talked
Speaker 2: about it for so long, it's not your swing breaking down,
Speaker 2: Like your swing doesn't change that much. You know, if
Speaker 2: you look at Jordan's speed through his struggles, his swing
Speaker 2: didn't look a whole lot different, if any different than
Speaker 2: when he was number one in the world. But like
Speaker 2: stress and what stresses players and the effects that the
Speaker 2: body goes through is really what's breaking that down. The
Speaker 2: interesting thing is it's unique to everybody. It's unique to
Speaker 2: your personality. Like some people are stressed out by the future,
Speaker 2: some people are stressed out by the past. One person's
Speaker 2: still pissed off about the three putt three holes ago,
Speaker 2: while the next person's worried about tanking their you know,
Speaker 2: their score three holes ahead. You know, some people are
Speaker 2: getting way too under their swing mechanics. Some people are
Speaker 2: seeing too much where the ball can't go, and that
Speaker 2: stresses them out. Like a really good way to think
Speaker 2: about this is like if you just build the biggest, scariest,
Speaker 2: baddest roller coaster on the planet, and like me and
Speaker 2: somebody else is sitting there looking at this thing. One
Speaker 2: person is probably like excited as how running at this thing,
Speaker 2: like excited to get on it, and you got me
Speaker 2: who's turning around.
Speaker 3: The other way running for dear life.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing, but how we internalize that is
Speaker 2: totally different. And essentially that's what our personalities are doing.
Speaker 2: Like situations the golf course or pressure or anything is presenting,
Speaker 2: people are internalizing that different. So how they use their
Speaker 2: personality is either going to help them get into an
Speaker 2: optimal state of mind or it's going to stress them
Speaker 2: out and tank their performance. Yet they'll run to the
Speaker 2: range and work on their swing because they think they
Speaker 2: got to get their P four better or something.
Speaker 1: So you're you're a golf instructor by trade, you know PGA,
Speaker 1: served by golf coach, You've been a teacher, You've been
Speaker 1: on the you know Golf Digest best teachers under forty.
Speaker 1: You've got a lot of students, you know, myself being
Speaker 1: one of them. But I've been the most delinquent student
Speaker 1: over the last three years. But you have you know,
Speaker 1: Jordan Han Who's who's got you know, conditional status on
Speaker 1: the web tour, number of college players, number of great
Speaker 1: junior players starting to understand mental types and personality traits.
Speaker 1: How has that changed the way you coach your different
Speaker 1: players a lot.
Speaker 3: What I started to notice is the students that I did.
Speaker 2: Have, the Jordans that use the ones I had for
Speaker 2: a long time that really thrived and not saying nobody
Speaker 2: else did, but you know, the ones that really could
Speaker 2: thrive where you could not play a lot and still
Speaker 2: go qualify for US mid Am or you know, win
Speaker 2: some local stuff. They were my saint personality type.
Speaker 3: And it was a lot easier to.
Speaker 2: Communicate and get messages across because the stuff that was
Speaker 2: working for me that I thought was the absolute way
Speaker 2: to do it fit that.
Speaker 3: In our way, fits what like mental game books coach.
Speaker 2: The problem is about seventy five percent of the population
Speaker 2: or more is not even close to like we are,
Speaker 2: So that message kind of falls upon deaf ears. Like
Speaker 2: some people need that aim small and this small and
Speaker 2: need to actually have something in their swing. They think
Speaker 2: about where some people need to get up like Bubba
Speaker 2: Watson and say I'm just gonna hit a fade, and
Speaker 2: like they.
Speaker 3: Need to see bigger targets and zones. I'll give you
Speaker 3: an example.
Speaker 2: I have two sisters locally here that are both really
Speaker 2: excellent players, both collegiate players, ones going off to college,
Speaker 2: ones starting their college.
Speaker 3: Career, and they're why you're totally different.
Speaker 2: And I actually just took it, took a video of
Speaker 2: them on the range one day, arguing about exactly what
Speaker 2: we're talking about. One was like, you know, I can't
Speaker 2: look at something so small. I feel so constrained and restricted.
Speaker 2: We're talking about like lines on the ball. You know,
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't even know how you can see
Speaker 2: something so big like that just freaks me out. And
Speaker 2: there's literally argument about the difference of that. But I
Speaker 2: have to talk to them totally different, even though we're
Speaker 2: in the same kind of setting.
Speaker 1: So in a in a real like world setting that
Speaker 1: everybody would understand, you're talking about maybe Bryson versus Dust Johnson.
Speaker 1: They just like the way they approach the game of
Speaker 1: golf completely different. Both exceptionally talented and both very successful,
Speaker 1: but they couldn't be more extreme. So when it boils
Speaker 1: down the way they practice, the way they approach the game,
Speaker 1: the way they think about where they're hitting shots, to
Speaker 1: the way they're coached needs to be tailored towards their
Speaker 1: distinct personalities.
Speaker 2: Correct for sure, because that's what motivates them. Their minds
Speaker 2: kind of light up. Like you know, Bubba Watson had
Speaker 2: an article or he was talking about someone told him
Speaker 2: that he had a chicken wing in his swing and
Speaker 2: he didn't know what that means.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I like the fear is always if you took someone
Speaker 2: like that and you put them into more of a
Speaker 2: Bryson d. Chambeau way of doing things, very mechanical, scientifical,
Speaker 2: we probably would have never heard of Bubba or Jim
Speaker 2: Ferrick or players like that. But again, if you if
Speaker 2: you take a Bryson, you're like, dude, you got to
Speaker 2: get off track, man, and you know you got to
Speaker 2: just play like an athlete type thing. I mean, we're
Speaker 2: probably not hearing a Bryson like he's okay being who
Speaker 2: he is, even though he's pissing some people off.
Speaker 1: Mm hm. You know, I think obviously people understand personalities
Speaker 1: at a broad scale, like you've got your extroverts in
Speaker 1: your introverts. I think that people understand that so at
Speaker 1: a very basic level, Like you know, if I'm if
Speaker 1: I know I'm an introvert, or if I know I'm
Speaker 1: an extrovert, you know what are the types of things
Speaker 1: that I could just improve by thinking certain ways, or
Speaker 1: what should I stay away from? Should I stay away
Speaker 1: from magazine tips?
Speaker 2: You know, Like yeah, no, that's that's a great question.
Speaker 2: And the extravert instrovert one I don't think is understood
Speaker 2: all that well. I mean, we just kind of think
Speaker 2: about as talking and not talking essentially, that's what that
Speaker 2: really is is our energy source. Extroverts get really energized,
Speaker 2: like even myself just starting to talk to you, like
Speaker 2: I get very energized, where introverts will get more exhausted
Speaker 2: by that. Like introverts talk a lot, they just typically
Speaker 2: will talk to a close knit circle, like they're just
Speaker 2: not the ones to go socialized with everybody because it
Speaker 2: comes a little bit exhausting. They also just internalize things
Speaker 2: a lot better, so they get clear on ideas more internally.
Speaker 2: So one of the simplest things is extroverts should just
Speaker 2: talk shots out loud, even though even if it might
Speaker 2: look them a little crazy. Like one two wins a
Speaker 2: little into me, all right, that's seven iron here we
Speaker 2: go like something like that. We had a guy email
Speaker 2: us that picked up one of our programs and he's like, dude,
Speaker 2: just I just went to talk to my shots out loud,
Speaker 2: and I shot like thirty nine.
Speaker 3: He's like, I've never broken forty five before. He's like,
Speaker 3: what is going on?
Speaker 2: But like introverts, you know, when they're forced to talk,
Speaker 2: or like in college settings, sometimes college coaches are are
Speaker 2: harping on them like, hey, what are we doing on
Speaker 2: the shot? And they're forcing them to talk and not
Speaker 2: letting them be internal, and that stresses them out. Essentially,
Speaker 2: introverts should just always have a little bubble of hey, like,
Speaker 2: you know, when I get within ten yards of my ball,
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna just focus on my internal details.
Speaker 3: Extroverts should always be kind of talking their stuff out.
Speaker 2: But again in terms of articles, like it's just knowing
Speaker 2: what to listen to, you know. I mean, Sean Foley
Speaker 2: is a great coach. His stuff is really good for
Speaker 2: a certain popular you know, and so forth, and there's
Speaker 2: coaches out there again there, Hey, you know, track man,
Speaker 2: you shouldn't use that type thing. And that's why there's
Speaker 2: always this heavy debate because it's really good for some
Speaker 2: not good for others. And it's just knowing where you
Speaker 2: fit in that mold.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that there isn't one right way to
Speaker 1: approach and play and teach the game that that wouldn't
Speaker 1: bode well, that's almost two reasons for you know, the
Speaker 1: internet discussion right now. You know there has to be
Speaker 1: just one way.
Speaker 2: Right well for sure, right and I mean then people
Speaker 2: really staunchly believe in their ways and whether it's you know,
Speaker 2: any walk of life. Which we don't want to go
Speaker 2: off topic here, but but that's why there's so much argument,
Speaker 2: because it's like, you don't believe what I believe, you
Speaker 2: have to be wrong. But that's the thing, is like
Speaker 2: it's it's different. People are just different, man, and and
Speaker 2: things that work for players are different. That's why I
Speaker 2: had some students that I really cared about earlier in
Speaker 2: my career left and I didn't understand it till now,
Speaker 2: is because I wasn't speaking their language. And it was
Speaker 2: probably for the better because they went and did well
Speaker 2: under somebody that coached totally different than I did.
Speaker 1: It's almost like that there should be a mandatory personality
Speaker 1: test before you start working with an instructor.
Speaker 2: Well, and that helps with this, right, I mean, it
Speaker 2: has a lot of applications. Caddy players, coaches, students, parents, students,
Speaker 2: is a huge one, because again, you know, parents and
Speaker 2: kids butt had a lot over some things where you know,
Speaker 2: like I had a parent who was just losing his
Speaker 2: mind because his kid wouldn't use a line of sticks
Speaker 2: and he just isn't wired to do that, Like he
Speaker 2: just like he sees shapes of shots, so he's aiming
Speaker 2: right and drawing and aiming left of fading, and he's
Speaker 2: like he's aiming left. I'm like, he's playing a fade dude.
Speaker 2: And like his dad would just lose his mind. He
Speaker 2: didn't understand it, but that's like his way of operating.
Speaker 2: When you got those line of sticks down, he was
Speaker 2: just freaking out, Like he got all restricted.
Speaker 3: He started worrying about his swing too much and he
Speaker 3: couldn't hit it on the face.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. I was talking with a buddy
Speaker 1: who's a good mid end player, and he was telling
Speaker 1: me he was struggling, and he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: he was talking about stuff at impact position, and I
Speaker 1: was like, it's so funny you're saying that because like,
Speaker 1: I've never won ever thought about how I'm hitting a
Speaker 1: golf ball. And he's like, well, what do you what
Speaker 1: do you think about I'm like, well, I just have
Speaker 1: like the hardest time in the world getting set up
Speaker 1: and getting the club to the top of the swig.
Speaker 1: Like that's where all my struggles are, Like I just
Speaker 1: can't set up to a ball. And it's that's when
Speaker 1: we talked, you know about this more. I just like
Speaker 1: it dawned on me. It's like we're just completely opposite
Speaker 1: people and like and this is where it goes to,
Speaker 1: like the it adds like fuel to the fire of
Speaker 1: like why are you asking your buddies that you play
Speaker 1: golf with what they're thinking about, because what works for
Speaker 1: them probably is completely different than what works for you.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean yeah, that's always my favorite, right when
Speaker 2: everybody says, well, what do you think about it?
Speaker 3: When you do this? I mean that can lead down
Speaker 3: some dark pasts.
Speaker 2: You're the one that I stole the phrase from player envy,
Speaker 2: Like I use that all the time after you and
Speaker 2: I talked. I think that's a brilliant word, and I
Speaker 2: deal with that a lot, especially on like the collegiate level.
Speaker 2: You always kids are you know, somebody else on their
Speaker 2: teams playing well and they're like, dude, dude, what are
Speaker 2: you doing? Like, you know, what are you working on.
Speaker 2: So I think players can get lost when they don't
Speaker 2: know those things that are right for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like it's it's the whole thing. Like
Speaker 1: every golfer is just like your fingerprints, like unique, You're
Speaker 1: unique to yourself. And I think one of the things
Speaker 1: that's interesting with this whole system is it gives you
Speaker 1: a better understanding of yourself and from there then you
Speaker 1: can build how you practice, how you work on your game,
Speaker 1: how you think about the game around that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So if somebody is interested in really drilling into this,
Speaker 1: they can go to your website mental golf type and
Speaker 1: you have a free test. I just went through it.
Speaker 1: Can you walk us through? You know, it's not just
Speaker 1: an introvert extrovert thing. There's other variables, what what all?
Speaker 1: You know? It's like it took me fifteen minutes to
Speaker 1: do the test, but what are all the different things
Speaker 1: that it pulls out on.
Speaker 3: A fifteen minutes?
Speaker 2: Man, you must have been lily gag And I mean
Speaker 2: I think legitimately they'll take five.
Speaker 1: Minutes, very easily distractable.
Speaker 2: So no, no, no, So it's a good question. And
Speaker 2: like you alluded to one, you know, you said, like
Speaker 2: I feel things. So essentially there's four major facets to
Speaker 2: people's personality. There's there's our energy, which we talked about
Speaker 2: extrovert introvert. There's our perception and focus. So essentially how
Speaker 2: we're seeing targets, how we're perceiving the world. You know,
Speaker 2: what helps us to stress.
Speaker 3: Us Like some need to be very darrow, some need
Speaker 3: to be broad.
Speaker 2: Some need to be thinking more targets, the need thinking
Speaker 2: more about what we call players side, which is swing.
Speaker 3: There's how we evaluate and make decisions.
Speaker 2: So there's what we call thinkers, which is you know,
Speaker 2: head deciders basically need facts like you're Bryson d. Chambeau
Speaker 2: and need a lot of data. They need kind of
Speaker 2: a system type thing. And there's feelers who are more
Speaker 2: trust their gut and they just kind of have this
Speaker 2: emotional intelligence about you know, what the right decision is.
Speaker 2: You know, they can still use information, but they come
Speaker 2: to it a little differently, more like using their heart
Speaker 2: or their gut versus like the percentages fit this, I'm
Speaker 2: going with it no matter what versus. You know, a
Speaker 2: feeler like yourself might be sitting on a tight Part
Speaker 2: four and just be like I got driver, man, I
Speaker 2: just feel it, you know, it's just a little different thing.
Speaker 2: And then there's our structures, so how we you know,
Speaker 2: manage the golf course, how we set up practice plans.
Speaker 2: So there's our judgers, which is what everybody wants the
Speaker 2: world to be, which is very on time, very structured,
Speaker 2: you know, to do list calendars. And then there's people
Speaker 2: like you and me who are completely out of order
Speaker 2: and random. We call them perceivers. They just think you
Speaker 2: know what perceivers do. They work super hard and short,
Speaker 2: like kind of short burst, I guess, but whatever motivates them,
Speaker 2: they'll just go hard at and then they'll jump to
Speaker 2: another project. They typically have four or five things going
Speaker 2: at once. And you and I know we speak that
Speaker 2: same language where like a judger, they gotta go they
Speaker 2: need a list like ten minutes this, ten minutes, ten
Speaker 2: minutes this.
Speaker 3: They need to know they're gonna be at nine to thirty,
Speaker 3: they're gonna be here.
Speaker 1: Like you know or you and I are like, oh man, well,
Speaker 1: that's like it's funny because like I when I want
Speaker 1: to write something, you know, if I have if I'm
Speaker 1: writing for somebody else and they tell me what I
Speaker 1: need to write, it's like the most excruciating process for me.
Speaker 1: It's great it I can even come up with the idea,
Speaker 1: but then once I get into it, like so many times,
Speaker 1: when I sit down to write, I start writing and
Speaker 1: then what I end up writing is completely different than
Speaker 1: what I think I'm going to write when I sit down,
Speaker 1: and I think the same way with like with golf
Speaker 1: and what I practice. And it's probably a bad thing.
Speaker 1: But you know, I'll work on everything, but I get
Speaker 1: to the range and then I get working on something
Speaker 1: and I will go work on something else for fifteen minutes.
Speaker 1: I'll come back and I'll go back over there, and
Speaker 1: it's just really whatever I kind of like is jogging
Speaker 1: my memory.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it keeps us sharp. And I mean that's
Speaker 2: that's what it is. Like we get excited to do
Speaker 2: a new thing. So you know, perceivers do really good
Speaker 2: with like a practice menu. Like with them, I've learned
Speaker 2: to just give them, Hey, here's five things I want
Speaker 2: you to accomplish, and just go do it.
Speaker 3: You get to get it done, and they'll get it done.
Speaker 3: You know, it just might be in a crazy order.
Speaker 3: Mm hm. We're judgers.
Speaker 2: I mean, like if you look at some of these
Speaker 2: practice plans I write up, like they're painful for me
Speaker 2: to write up, but essentially it's like, dude, these things
Speaker 2: are ten minutes. That's ten minutes, ten minutes that this
Speaker 2: is your goal accomplished this. I mean they're very, very structured.
Speaker 2: So like my girl tests who's playing on the Cemetra Tour,
Speaker 2: I mean, her practice plans like make my head hurt,
Speaker 2: but like she'll go out there and be like, man,
Speaker 2: I don't really know what I accomplished today because she
Speaker 2: doesn't know what to do. She feels lost without that structure.
Speaker 1: It's it's just the whole thing. It's like we're you know,
Speaker 1: it's this has much more application, you know, to the
Speaker 1: greater world than just golf. But it's my wife and
Speaker 1: I are probably polar opposites, you know. She looks at
Speaker 1: the way I do think. She's like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Like that's how you wash something, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the way I've figured out it works for me.
Speaker 1: But she's like very plan list driven and it drives
Speaker 1: her insane that I like, don't I kind of approach
Speaker 1: every day and I'm like, well this is you know,
Speaker 1: we'll see where the day goes and She's like, how
Speaker 1: do you not know what you're working on from ninth
Speaker 1: to nine thirty. I'm like, I because it depends on
Speaker 1: what comes up, you know, I want and I think
Speaker 1: that this obviously has a paramount thing for somebody that's
Speaker 1: trying to be the best golfer they could be. But
Speaker 1: also there's a lot of real life applications for this
Speaker 1: and understanding because golf is in a sense a microcosm
Speaker 1: of life. Like how you overcome different struggles on the
Speaker 1: golf course and how you get through those is like
Speaker 1: there's just like life. You know, you can always tell
Speaker 1: how somebody is in life when you play golf with them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, it's it's funny too because my wife is the
Speaker 2: exact opposite of me, and I've come across that quite
Speaker 2: a bit. It's just checks and balances. But no, you're right,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know the thing is is it's it's
Speaker 2: the stressors and doing things like people, there's learned and
Speaker 2: natural behavior, like people can learn to do things every
Speaker 2: one of these facets, Like we do a little of both,
Speaker 2: so we always have a little bit of extra very
Speaker 2: a little bit of introverted. It's like being right handed
Speaker 2: left hand like there's a dominant and a non dominant
Speaker 2: for people, and when we use those non dominant essentially,
Speaker 2: it makes the brain overactive and becomes a stressor. So
Speaker 2: like some people are stressed by the future, some people
Speaker 2: are stressed by the past.
Speaker 3: You know. They draw in past.
Speaker 2: Experiences and that freaks them out, like, oh, this happened before,
Speaker 2: so this is going to happen again, you know. Where
Speaker 2: some people are just like they can't see out in
Speaker 2: the future too much without having a plan, because the
Speaker 2: future will become doom and gloom if they don't have their.
Speaker 3: Steps, you know.
Speaker 2: So tie that back into golf, like a sensor for example,
Speaker 2: if they don't have like you know, if my setup
Speaker 2: is good and I.
Speaker 3: Hit the spot in my takeaway, the ball will go there.
Speaker 2: Like they operate really well, and that if they don't
Speaker 2: have that and they start thinking about the bunker and
Speaker 2: all the other stuff, it puts them into a big
Speaker 2: time stress mode and they can't really perform their best.
Speaker 3: We're an intuitive you.
Speaker 2: Take them away from just shapes and pictures and how
Speaker 2: they can get the ball there and their creativity, you know,
Speaker 2: and then you start getting into the parts and pieces
Speaker 2: they're swaying, You're just they start to fluster, they start
Speaker 2: questioning everything, is this right?
Speaker 3: Is this right?
Speaker 2: And they lose their gift of the future. Like in tune,
Speaker 2: it's like you and I when we have an idea,
Speaker 2: like we always see the end goal first, like always,
Speaker 2: like if I have a plan, like when you saw
Speaker 2: the Friday Egg, like you were like, dude, this is
Speaker 2: where I see this thing going, and you just then
Speaker 2: you're like, all right, I'll figure it out from there.
Speaker 3: Like censors, our counterparts can't think like that at all.
Speaker 2: They need to know, well, look if I create this
Speaker 2: blog and then I create this and then I create that,
Speaker 2: it might get to hear and they're they're very linear thinkers,
Speaker 2: where we're very out of the box kind of thinkers.
Speaker 1: So obviously this has a huge impact on your instructor,
Speaker 1: your caddy relationship. How would you say it impacts you
Speaker 1: on the golf course and how you should think about,
Speaker 1: you know, getting through hold the hole, and how you
Speaker 1: think about, you know, just approaching playing golf.
Speaker 3: So I mean the.
Speaker 2: Idea is, you know, we class the zone as an
Speaker 2: absence of stress because it really is, like anytime anybody's
Speaker 2: just went lights out, usually most people have no clue
Speaker 2: why they do it. They'll just randomly go crazy, like
Speaker 2: Kevin Chappell shot fifty nine in between a seventy one
Speaker 2: and seventy two, seventy four last year, just one random
Speaker 2: fifty nine, right, So people don't really understand how they
Speaker 2: just go lights out one day and the next day
Speaker 2: is something totally different. But what they will always say
Speaker 2: is that was easy. That just felt so easy, because
Speaker 2: essentially that's what it is, the lack of stress, the
Speaker 2: lack of you know, mental effort that they're putting in,
Speaker 2: but they just don't know how they're getting there. So
Speaker 2: our goal is to get into that optimal state of mind,
Speaker 2: and using these facets help us do that.
Speaker 3: So, you know, take us in the NFP.
Speaker 2: If we're standing behind the ball, first thing I'm doing
Speaker 2: is I'm talking on my shot. I'm getting clarity of
Speaker 2: where I want the ball to go. That's already making
Speaker 2: my brain like light up and become active and positive.
Speaker 2: And then from there I'm rehearsing in a way that
Speaker 2: I feel the shape of the shot. So it's all
Speaker 2: about what's the ball flight doing, where's it taken off,
Speaker 2: and how's it going? And then from there when I
Speaker 2: walk in. You know, there's body language some other things
Speaker 2: that go in there, and some breathing techniques which whatever,
Speaker 2: but essentially again keeping my eyes on the target and
Speaker 2: then I'm just trying to basically hit a fade like literally,
Speaker 2: that's it, you know, Dustin Johnson, just make sure you
Speaker 2: fade it.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: Like that's how an E NFP would really operate very well,
Speaker 2: is just going through those meticulous steps that fit their personality.
Speaker 2: A sensor like an IS type, like an ICTJ was
Speaker 2: the complete opposite of us, would go through those zones
Speaker 2: very different, like they would be internalizing here's my start
Speaker 2: line and then rehearsing very meticulously of moving their slaying
Speaker 2: that they know if I hit this, I will you know,
Speaker 2: hit my spot. So like Austin Trussel is a perfect example.
Speaker 2: You know, to John Caddy's fort A on the corn
Speaker 2: Ferry tour and he's we call him the precision machine.
Speaker 2: I mean, so he has a list of facts of
Speaker 2: details he takes in to make the decisions on a shot.
Speaker 3: It's crazy how much he takes.
Speaker 2: In and then he basically John just reminds him all
Speaker 2: the time, like, you know, can you get to your
Speaker 2: move at the top. I'm pretty sure he just feels
Speaker 2: like he sets the top and then hits it and
Speaker 2: that's it, like that's his task. It's nothing about the target.
Speaker 2: It's purely can you hit that spot at the top,
Speaker 2: like it's his job. And he knows if I do
Speaker 2: that and I hit it over my little intermediate divot,
Speaker 2: it's going to be money with this.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously we've talked about a few applications. How
Speaker 1: can people find out more about that? You know, obviously
Speaker 1: your website mentalgolf type dot com. They can do the
Speaker 1: free test which is going to give them their personality
Speaker 1: type now takes ten minutes we'll say for a normal
Speaker 1: person or less. Yeah, you get your your results. How
Speaker 1: do you kind of dive in and learn more about
Speaker 1: this stuff?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's tiers.
Speaker 2: So we have we have a free portal that everybody
Speaker 2: gets kind of access to when they start, and we
Speaker 2: got a couple just intro lessons in there, things they
Speaker 2: can use, so just even how to use your extrovert
Speaker 2: introvert qualities. We got a few things about how to
Speaker 2: develop a shot process on there. You know what that
Speaker 2: really looks like and you know, for record. I hate, hate,
Speaker 2: hate the word pre shot routine because I think it's damaging,
Speaker 2: like mindlessly doing two pract swings and walking in a
Speaker 2: certain way. It doesn't really do much, but like how
Speaker 2: we think through these zones is important. So we have
Speaker 2: some of that in our free stuff, and then we
Speaker 2: have our you know, our mental golf type level win
Speaker 2: Master training, which teaches everybody these facets exactly how they apply,
Speaker 2: how to use them, how to basically unrecognize stress, which
Speaker 2: is again the biggest one. So quick example, extrovert, you,
Speaker 2: here's a perfect story. Right the bus at the at
Speaker 2: the US midam, so you're struggling, extroverts start to get quiet,
Speaker 2: like you wouldn't say you weren't saying a word to
Speaker 2: me for two holes. You hook one to a point
Speaker 2: where a bus tries to pick us up because we're
Speaker 2: so far off the hole where we can laugh and
Speaker 2: start talking about it. And it was basically this diffuser,
Speaker 2: right like you started to become external and laugh and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. And then you put the next one
Speaker 2: to like two feet.
Speaker 3: Or whatever it was.
Speaker 2: But that's a great example, right, like you know, using
Speaker 2: that introvert equality. You know something extroverts do, They get
Speaker 2: very quiet and very pulled in and like don't talk
Speaker 2: to me type thing when they're upset about stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just you know, now you're opening you know,
Speaker 1: dark skeletons as I'm thinking about in my past, you
Speaker 1: know life, and I think whenever things go wrong, that's
Speaker 1: generally what happens.
Speaker 3: Right. But so so we have that program.
Speaker 2: We have you know, online courses, So we have one
Speaker 2: that just teaches people how to go through their shot
Speaker 2: process with their personality type. We have a program that
Speaker 2: teaches people exactly how to practice and it's like a
Speaker 2: structure that we put together and something I've actually been
Speaker 2: developing for a long long time with.
Speaker 3: Help of other sports coaches.
Speaker 2: You know, I've actually worked with this Navy Seal a
Speaker 2: little bit on just how they trained and just started
Speaker 2: to put together structure of what I really feel is
Speaker 2: one of the best practice structures out there, and we
Speaker 2: teach people how to do that, how to set up
Speaker 2: their practices to really maximize it using their personality as well.
Speaker 3: So we have those out. We have something coming very soon.
Speaker 2: We call it the Confidence Code, which is kind of
Speaker 2: something we're going to do where we send people a
Speaker 2: weekly like basically done for you.
Speaker 3: Plan like follow these steps to build your confidence.
Speaker 2: It's like a little practice plan how to use a
Speaker 2: faster their personality and just literally follow this and your
Speaker 2: confidence is going to go crazy.
Speaker 1: It's cool. I mean, it'll help you in more ways
Speaker 1: than golf. It's so true. And like personality, Understanding your
Speaker 1: personality is going to help you more than golf. And
Speaker 1: whenever your rest of your life is better, you usually
Speaker 1: are playing better golf too. That's another thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll make a note on that too.
Speaker 2: Is Like you know, I've had some conversations where people
Speaker 2: try to kind of debunk these personality things. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a reason why so many people use them. And
Speaker 2: the reason people try to debunk them is because people
Speaker 2: typically answer in a way they were taught to do things,
Speaker 2: so it might not fit like what they truly are,
Speaker 2: because they're afraid to answer like they want answer. Like
Speaker 2: in the corporate world, of course, everybody's going to answer
Speaker 2: as a judger, like they're on time and structure and stuff.
Speaker 2: In golf, like a lot of people are gonna like
Speaker 2: say I'm a censor because you know they were trained mechanically.
Speaker 3: You know that might not be the right thing. For them.
Speaker 2: So the important thing is just to go, Look, this
Speaker 2: is who I am. It's not a good or a
Speaker 2: bad thing. This is just how I can use some
Speaker 2: things and really go. But when I've had one on
Speaker 2: one conversations or even conversations with college teams and I
Speaker 2: can kind of basically predict or call out people what
Speaker 2: they do when they're struggling, it kind of becomes spooky.
Speaker 2: It's so predictable when I'm saying, hey, like, actually, I'm
Speaker 2: sure you're getting quiet, but like if it's one of us,
Speaker 2: you know, we're getting quiet and we're getting mechanical. You know,
Speaker 2: nfp's are gett quiet, they're getting mechanical, and we start
Speaker 2: overthinking every shot boom.
Speaker 3: I mean that's when we're at.
Speaker 1: Our worst, right Yeah, That's that's where I am right
Speaker 1: now and my absolute worst.
Speaker 3: But when we're at our best, we just see our
Speaker 3: target hit it. I mean we can't even explain it.
Speaker 2: Like I remember having rounds when like I remember this
Speaker 2: one tournament round I've never felt ever since, but like
Speaker 2: I almost could see a path to the to the whole.
Speaker 3: I had like twenty three putts.
Speaker 2: I made every single thing I looked at that day
Speaker 2: and I literally felt like I could walk up slap
Speaker 2: it in one hand.
Speaker 3: And it was going in. It was this feeling. I
Speaker 3: can't explain it.
Speaker 2: But that was literally me just looking at where the
Speaker 2: ball is going to go and hitting it. And when
Speaker 2: I started to get into more of set up in
Speaker 2: my putting and how the stroke is moving and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. As I became a teacher, I couldn't putt
Speaker 2: save my life. Man, I couldn't make a four foot
Speaker 2: or for anything.
Speaker 1: I've been there. I know exactly what your time. I've
Speaker 1: seen the line like this is weird. It's the weirdest
Speaker 1: thing in the world. And then when you don't see it,
Speaker 1: you always are like where is it? You know right,
Speaker 1: it's uh And I think, like further on this, like
Speaker 1: when I did this personality test in my last job,
Speaker 1: you know, before I started the Fried Egg, my boss
Speaker 1: and I were complete opposites at the ends of the spectrum,
Speaker 1: and it illuminated it was like, oh, this is why
Speaker 1: we we butt heads on like all these different things,
Speaker 1: Like I'm a very idea orented person. That's why she
Speaker 1: doesn't like a lot of my ideas because you know
Speaker 1: they haven't been proven out and it's just an idea,
Speaker 1: you know, And and uh, I think that's the beauty
Speaker 1: of this is if you're working on the game, if
Speaker 1: you're you know, trying to get your hit into the game,
Speaker 1: if you're you know, kid's a junior player, or if
Speaker 1: you're you know, an amateur player and you're working with
Speaker 1: a coach, or you're a pro, there are all these
Speaker 1: applications because things that you're doing and people you're working
Speaker 1: with might not know that naturally you're working against each other.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's well put.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know how much I can
Speaker 2: put any better than that, But that's you know, one
Speaker 2: thing I'll always kind of credit back to John Weir,
Speaker 2: who was the one that introduced me all this stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think what he found was absolute magic.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's kind of one of those things.
Speaker 2: Where it's like almost, did we just keep it to
Speaker 2: ourselves and just be a unique type of coach and
Speaker 2: but we can't, you know. I mean, it's like, this
Speaker 2: is something I feel everybody really needs to understand because
Speaker 2: I know how it's how much has changed what I do.
Speaker 3: And how much it can help people, and.
Speaker 2: Just seeing some people get over some struggles just using
Speaker 2: certain things. Like I had one corn fairy guy. I
Speaker 2: don't know if he wants to use his name, so
Speaker 2: I won't, but you know, he had a couple of
Speaker 2: good weeks and he just emailed us and said, I
Speaker 2: can't believe you said it's okay not to talk like
Speaker 2: He's like that is so relieving.
Speaker 3: He's an introvert.
Speaker 2: He's like, I was always out there trying to be
Speaker 2: social cause I thought everyone thinks I'm a dick if
Speaker 2: I'm not talking to him. And he's like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's just I just did what you said. I got
Speaker 2: within you know, twenty yards of my ball and just
Speaker 2: shut up. I wasn't talking to my caddie. We just
Speaker 2: did basic decision making. And you know, I haven't felt
Speaker 2: that good playing in a long time. So, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just crazy how something so little like that can
Speaker 2: make such a big difference.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's still just fascinating to me.
Speaker 1: So how can people find you, get a hold of you?
Speaker 2: They can follow us on Instagram, you know, we just
Speaker 2: have a newer account or post and stuff there, so
Speaker 2: we're trying to grow that and that's mainly where we
Speaker 2: post social media content Instagram, not really on a lot
Speaker 2: of other stuff. I think Twitter is pretty evil at
Speaker 2: this point, so I'm just staying off of that.
Speaker 3: Man, I've seen some of your battles, so dark plass.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing my battles mostly come with people that are
Speaker 1: the opposite type of uh person.
Speaker 2: I was going to mentioned that, but I don't want
Speaker 2: to give anybody any any name credit.
Speaker 3: Here, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah so but yeah, so that, and then if anybody
Speaker 2: wants to reach me directly, it's just my first name.
Speaker 3: Kyle k I E l at mentalgolf type dot com.
Speaker 2: I do help individuals at this mainly the higher level
Speaker 2: players though, Kyle's players, people working you know, up to
Speaker 2: the corn ferries stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Well, thanks for coming on, Kyle, and I hope
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