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Speaker 2: Ty? What I really slept? I slept terribly the past
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Speaker 1: Okay, there's a Bob Kraft joke in there that I
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Speaker 2: No, I think that's pretty good. We've got a whole
Speaker 2: bunch of shows that if you haven't listened to these
Speaker 2: past few weeks, I think you should go check out
Speaker 2: we've been I think we have been hitting our stride
Speaker 2: pretty nicely. And it's not even in July when we
Speaker 2: would start doing season previews, team previews, conference previews. It's
Speaker 2: a no weeks off operation here, Ty and I couldn't
Speaker 2: be prouder. I feel like since I started standing while
Speaker 2: I record, Yeah, I've not only enjoyed the show more,
Speaker 2: but some of the ideas to make it through this
Speaker 2: long cold off season. I've just they've come a little
Speaker 2: bit more naturally, not just to me, but to you
Speaker 2: as well. This is true. And can we first before
Speaker 2: we get into because you know what the show is
Speaker 2: generally about, because you've seen the title and description. We
Speaker 2: need to give proper attribution to our inspiration for doing
Speaker 2: tonight's show.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely so. I don't know have we settled on
Speaker 1: a title. Maybe we just call it all times solid
Speaker 1: verbal something like that. Yeah, yeah, something along those lines.
Speaker 1: We started talking about it earlier in the week. We
Speaker 1: both gravitated towards it. Right, all Americans, we can do
Speaker 1: that workshopping. I'll keep workshopping workshop all throughout the next
Speaker 1: hour or so. But yes, proper attribution is required here.
Speaker 1: Do you want to lay it all out there?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So, somebody who's been around the sort of Twitter
Speaker 2: sphere and college football universe online for a while as
Speaker 2: this guy Jim Weber and helps to put together and
Speaker 2: run and do all sorts of things with a concept,
Speaker 2: a website, a feed, all sorts of thing called Lost Letterman,
Speaker 2: And every so often I don't even think he doesn't
Speaker 2: know we're doing this, but every so often he says, hey,
Speaker 2: just reply to this tweet with the first random college
Speaker 2: football player you think of, and there are I'm sure
Speaker 2: you've gone through it now, incredible responses that people are
Speaker 2: just saying, like, hey Willie Twitama, Hey Joe Shobert, Like
Speaker 2: it's just all over the place, incredible players that we've
Speaker 2: celebrated these past few years. But the replies to his
Speaker 2: specific tweet go back forever and ever. So we decided
Speaker 2: that we were going to come up with two sort
Speaker 2: of all American ish teams. Yes, and they are both
Speaker 2: going to exist within the solid verbal universe of time.
Speaker 2: So this is all American teams that we are coming
Speaker 2: up with that is only including players that have played
Speaker 2: during which we've had a podcast. So the two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight to current day correct and the first team
Speaker 2: is and I want to explain this correctly because either
Speaker 2: way we're going to get a lot of people pushing
Speaker 2: back and questioning some of our choices. The first teams
Speaker 2: the it's the all solid verbal standard all American team.
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily who we think is the actual best
Speaker 2: player at every position. This is the clear best offensive
Speaker 2: lineman at you know, playing right tackle. It's not that,
Speaker 2: but it is the best person that also resonated most
Speaker 2: intensely with us, Right, does that make sense? I think
Speaker 2: so it's a combination of being best and subjectively made
Speaker 2: the biggest impact on us. So while the subjective best
Speaker 2: quarterback is you know, statistically and accomplishment, it's probably what
Speaker 2: who Baker Mayfiel, I don't know. That's it's it's it's
Speaker 2: very subjective, but you have on this a quarterback who
Speaker 2: nobody would choose as the player that you consider to
Speaker 2: be one of the most impactful and best players I love.
Speaker 1: So it's it's we've got two teams that were putting
Speaker 1: together and the second team is what tie well. So
Speaker 1: the first is right as you described, it's our collection.
Speaker 1: It's our favorites of the best, our favorites of the best.
Speaker 1: And then we've also got another team which is just
Speaker 1: more random. But I think guys who had who had
Speaker 1: an impact on us, none of them I'm looking here,
Speaker 1: none of them really had much of an NFL future.
Speaker 1: A lot of them had their glory very much limited
Speaker 1: to their college years as college football players. But guys
Speaker 1: that resonate with us not only because they're rand or
Speaker 1: maybe a funny names or had an accomplishment here or
Speaker 1: there in the college game. But I thought of it
Speaker 1: pretty specifically in terms of who we talked about over
Speaker 1: the course of the last decade. Sure, so you could
Speaker 1: see a little bit where that's going if you've listened
Speaker 1: to us for a while, because some of these names
Speaker 1: are going to sound familiar, and you'll know some of
Speaker 1: the obvious folks into our show dating back, gosh, years
Speaker 1: and years and years now. But so one team is
Speaker 1: sort of like our All American team, the players that
Speaker 1: had the most impact on us over the last twelve
Speaker 1: years or show, however long it's been since two thousand
Speaker 1: and eight now, and then the second team is more
Speaker 1: just a bunch of randos, maybe not NFL accomplished, maybe
Speaker 1: not even that college accomplished, but guys who had an
Speaker 1: impact on us, both in terms of the show and
Speaker 1: just as college football fans.
Speaker 2: Would you say they have sentimental value?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, these are players that have CENTI.
Speaker 2: I think we have three times of spending a lion
Speaker 2: I as we do Alabama.
Speaker 1: I want to start with the random team first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so these are just to all the players we
Speaker 2: liked before.
Speaker 1: Is that's the song.
Speaker 2: Daniel hit me.
Speaker 1: We'll start out at the quarterback position.
Speaker 2: So this is just sentimental favorites, not necessary excellence.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about my boy. Casual dress
Speaker 1: James Franklin.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, great pick.
Speaker 1: Casual dress James Franklin. Anyone here remember him? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: casual dress James Franklin. He was quarterback for four years
Speaker 1: for the Missouri Tigers under Gary Pinkell. He was quarterback.
Speaker 1: I believe at the time that you know, that would
Speaker 1: be the time when they converted over from the big
Speaker 1: twelve to the SEC and we were doing the show
Speaker 1: then it was twenty ten through twenty thirteen, and I
Speaker 1: was enamored with this guy. Not because his stats were
Speaker 1: off the charts. I'm looking at him now, believe me,
Speaker 1: they were not off the charts. Fine, he was fine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a fine college quarterback. But what had me
Speaker 1: so enamored about James Franklin was the fact that he
Speaker 1: would drop back in the pocket and you if you
Speaker 1: weren't listening to the game, if you didn't have the
Speaker 1: sound up to hear that there was actual hitting going on,
Speaker 1: you would have thought that they blew the whistle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was always very nonchalant in the pocket, standing upright
Speaker 1: walking around back there at times. Casual dress. James Franklin
Speaker 1: was born on the show, very different person, does not
Speaker 1: the current coach of Penn State, but casual dress James
Speaker 1: Franklin sixty nine hundred yards in his career four years
Speaker 1: nice at missoom So.
Speaker 2: I got to the bottom of this a little bit
Speaker 2: accidentally because I think the offensive coordinator at this time
Speaker 2: for Miszoo was Dave Christiansen, who excuse me, I don't know,
Speaker 2: not Dave Christensen. What was It's the floppy haired guy
Speaker 2: who ended up at Oregon under Mark Helfrich. But Dave
Speaker 2: Christensen was at Missoo at this time, and this quarterback coach,
Speaker 2: I'm finding his name as we do as we're doing.
Speaker 2: This was Mark Helfrich's offensive coordinator his final year, and
Speaker 2: so Dakota Prucop also had this very flat footed a
Speaker 2: approach to playing quarterback because he got back chapter like
Speaker 2: three games. But it was as if James Franklin got
Speaker 2: out of his car in a shopping center hungry for lunch,
Speaker 2: and there's Panera on one side and Chick fil A
Speaker 2: on the other, and he's just sort of scanning, like
Speaker 2: what do I feel?
Speaker 1: It was an extremely passive pocket.
Speaker 2: What is it that appeals to me about scenario Alexander TJ.
Speaker 2: Moe or any of these guys, So I like applaud
Speaker 2: that pick. Any other quarterbacks that you sort of I've
Speaker 2: got centered for your team.
Speaker 1: I have multiple options here. I won't go into them
Speaker 1: with such detail, but Tate Forcier has to be on
Speaker 1: this list here.
Speaker 2: David Yost is the floppy haired guy, but dude yos okay, right.
Speaker 2: I think he's the current offensive coordinator at Texas Tech.
Speaker 2: So look forward to that Red Raiders.
Speaker 1: Kate Forcier had two thousand passing yards as a freshman
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and nine, right when we were yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess in our second year of doing the podcast,
Speaker 1: and I remember him well. A lot of people remember
Speaker 1: him well for be eating Notre Dame on a late
Speaker 1: touchdown pass that season. Of course, so.
Speaker 2: Runs the gut right against Notre Dame. He had found
Speaker 2: like a long he had a.
Speaker 1: Run, I believe, but it was a touchdown pass late
Speaker 1: in the game then that ended up winning it. He
Speaker 1: was supplanted by someone else who I believe is on
Speaker 1: your side of the equallitia here, which we'll talk about.
Speaker 1: But Tate, FORCI had a bit of an edge to him,
Speaker 1: seemed very dynamic as a freshman, and then sort of
Speaker 1: fell off the face of the earth transferred a few times. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other guys I have here Joel Stave, who is
Speaker 1: forever in solid verbal lore, played forty four games for Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: but will be forever known, at least in the context
Speaker 1: of our show for developing the yips back in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2: Poor guy developed the yips. He was fine, nothing great,
Speaker 2: but that really did resonate with you. So I have
Speaker 2: Dinard Robinson because I went back recently randomly in thinking
Speaker 2: in my brain, I want to remember how good Denard
Speaker 2: Robinson am. I misremembering that Denard Robinson was super fun,
Speaker 2: And I did not misremember him because he was amazing.
Speaker 2: I'm sure Michigan fans have sort of mixed feelings that
Speaker 2: are not probably totally his fault because of the coaching
Speaker 2: change of going from Rich Rodriguez to Brady Hoak and
Speaker 2: the alborgious offense and the complications from there, and he
Speaker 2: ends up as sort of an all purpose weapon before
Speaker 2: getting drafted. But damn was he fun. And I would
Speaker 2: imagine the biggest compliment that you could pay somebody no
Speaker 2: matter their position, no matter what team they're on. He'd
Speaker 2: probably made a lot of bh's clench tie and I'm
Speaker 2: sure yours was one of them. When Michigan played Notre
Speaker 2: Dame that at any moment he was just gonna rip
Speaker 2: off a seventy one yard run.
Speaker 1: He never knew.
Speaker 2: And you go back and watch the highlights, because I
Speaker 2: think it was the under the lights game with the
Speaker 2: big m the big Blockam Jersey. Sure he went crazy.
Speaker 2: They were throwing RPOs pretty early on. It was a
Speaker 2: crazy fun Michigan team, at least on offense. And I
Speaker 2: would imagine Michigan fans now who are like, we need
Speaker 2: to modernize this offense. You just show them the clips
Speaker 2: of like the twenty ten, twenty eleven whatever Michigan team, like, oh,
Speaker 2: that'd be great, that'd be pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Collectively, between passing yardage and rushing slash receiving yardage, yeah,
Speaker 1: he had over ten thousand total yards.
Speaker 2: He's the best dual threat quarterback in Big ten history.
Speaker 1: Just incredible, and you're right, every time he touched the
Speaker 1: ball there was always that risk that he was going
Speaker 1: to break one and score. Really a great example of
Speaker 1: how one player in the college game can truly overtake
Speaker 1: we overtake an opponent. He was incredible. You had to
Speaker 1: count for him at all times. So it's a good
Speaker 1: pick here.
Speaker 2: But I'm thrilled by the way that Don Pelham never
Speaker 2: coached against him on like generating a third and seventeen
Speaker 2: against Lenard Robinson. That is one of the great successes
Speaker 2: of my Oregon faring number.
Speaker 1: Having to see that other quarterbacks was sentimental value to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got Jimmy Heisman, obviously, Jimmy Clawson, who I
Speaker 2: forgot about. So two thousand and nine he had a
Speaker 2: really good year when they went six and six, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was very good. That was a Golden Tate Michael
Speaker 2: Floyd team.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
Speaker 2: I believe his two thousand and eight. The year before,
Speaker 2: he had two of the absolute stinkerst games I've ever seen,
Speaker 2: the Boston College game in the USC game, I think
Speaker 2: he combined to throw six or seven picks. The USC
Speaker 2: game was just abominable. And the fact that he came
Speaker 2: back the next year and was really good with a
Speaker 2: pretty bad team.
Speaker 1: I admire that.
Speaker 2: And if you look at my list, there are a
Speaker 2: lot of players who thrive despite things out of their
Speaker 2: control going terribly wrong. And Jimmy Clawson, for all the
Speaker 2: crap he took, finished his Notre Dame career in a
Speaker 2: pretty pretty fun one, I would agree.
Speaker 1: I looked at his stats recently, just for the hell
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: I watched the clips, I watched the film. He was good.
Speaker 1: He was he was I like the next name on
Speaker 1: your quarterback list here though, this is a good one
Speaker 1: that I forgot about.
Speaker 2: Team Magic, Team Magic, Taylor Martinez, who the case is
Speaker 2: pretty clear he's the best modern Nebraska quarterback. We'll see
Speaker 2: if the new Martinez is better Andrew Martinez, but it's
Speaker 2: better than Tommy Armstrong. I would argue better than Tanner Lee,
Speaker 2: no matter that the Manning passing Academy's success and there
Speaker 2: was just an element. And this is just sentimental. This
Speaker 2: is not saying that he is the best quarterback. He
Speaker 2: was the best quarterback of his era. Nothing like that.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the hell out of the best of Taylor Martinez,
Speaker 2: shot put, javelin, throwing and all. He developed into a
Speaker 2: pretty good quarterback. He helped them to win a bunch
Speaker 2: of games. And he is the subject of one of
Speaker 2: my favorite hush hush conversations I had. I don't think
Speaker 2: this is betraying any trust our pal, old pal Mike Knebler.
Speaker 2: When I visited, we did a shoot a video shoot
Speaker 2: at Nebraska in twenty twelve. Yeah, I think it was
Speaker 2: twenty twelve. He pulled me aside, like, this is sort
Speaker 2: of off the record, but we're going to the option
Speaker 2: next year. It's coming back. And it didn't come back
Speaker 2: like they look like in the nineties. But Taylor Martinez
Speaker 2: when he was healthy and feeling it was super fun.
Speaker 2: I think his coming out game was against Kansas State
Speaker 2: and he ran for like two hundred and some odd yards,
Speaker 2: and there was just something pretty great about Nebraska fans
Speaker 2: out of nowhere working themselves into a frenzy over Team Magic,
Speaker 2: and I celebrate.
Speaker 1: That also goes into that same category as Dinard Robinson
Speaker 1: with over ten thousand yards if you kept up passing
Speaker 1: and rushing slash receiving. So a very very bright career
Speaker 1: for Team Magic and Nebraska. I remember talking about him
Speaker 1: many times. Let's move on to running back. So here
Speaker 1: here's what's interesting about the running back position. We both
Speaker 1: have a variety of names, yeah that I think we
Speaker 1: want to talk about here. But isn't it true that
Speaker 1: we could do a full episode just talking about the
Speaker 1: running back room at USC over the years. Yeah, guys
Speaker 1: that fall into this sentimental like Alan Bradford, uh Mark Tile,
Speaker 1: guys like there are so many of them, Yeah, Joe
Speaker 1: McKnight rest in peace.
Speaker 2: Yeah. CJ. Gable Yeah, CJ. Gable, Yeah, Chauncey Washington. There
Speaker 2: are three to five USC players and the big room
Speaker 2: was like two thousand and seven, so it's just before
Speaker 2: our show started. But tangentially, if we want to go here,
Speaker 2: there are whether it was Herschel Dennis or Desmond Reid
Speaker 2: or Jeff Byers, guys they were like, were you recruited
Speaker 2: in the nineties, were you offered a scholarship via compu serve?
Speaker 1: Oh gods great?
Speaker 2: Okay, so yes, we could do an entire show on
Speaker 2: just ridiculous rooms across college football. And that room comes
Speaker 2: from there were eleven blue chip players. All right, I've
Speaker 2: got Mikael Lashure. Oh my gosh, mckl Lashore from Illinois.
Speaker 2: There are He is not the last Illinois player we
Speaker 2: will listen, No, not even the second to last.
Speaker 1: No, MIKEL. Lashore. He had almost seventeen hundred yards as
Speaker 1: a junior, and then he left early, got drafted in
Speaker 1: the second round by the Lions.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it was good for a couple of years.
Speaker 1: He was good for one year. Oh, okay, got over
Speaker 1: two hundred carries his first year, very promising. Played three
Speaker 1: games the next season for a total of nine yards
Speaker 1: in NFL play and they never played a game. We
Speaker 1: had that one year at Illinois that really vaulted his status.
Speaker 2: Ten Lashore. Yeah, Mikela Shore. And by the way, this
Speaker 2: is a disclaimer and this has nothing to do with
Speaker 2: mikel Lashore. But we may name a player or four
Speaker 2: players who have gone on to do shady or horrendous
Speaker 2: things after they played college football. We did not research.
Speaker 2: So if let's say Joel Stave has defrauded a series
Speaker 2: of preschools or something, we did not do any research,
Speaker 2: and so we were strictly talking about sentimental value about
Speaker 2: what these players did on the field and nothing else.
Speaker 1: Some other names here very quickly, Fitzgerald Toussaint from US
Speaker 1: Oh fits fits Toussaint.
Speaker 2: There was a run of Michigan receivers that you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's pretty good. I don't think I'm ever going to
Speaker 2: see him again, but he's pretty good.
Speaker 1: I also have Jeremy Gallen on my list. We'll talk
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: Ring a little bit, five foot one, tons of fun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Lake Seastrunk, your boy.
Speaker 1: Oh, bounce it outside.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Wasn't he the one that helped get Chip Kelly in trouble?
Speaker 2: No comment, Tye, no comment. It was he didn't help,
Speaker 2: But yes, his recruitment was the subject of an investigation.
Speaker 2: And yes, Lake Seastrunk, who I still maintain one of
Speaker 2: the most underrated high school film whatever tapes. And he
Speaker 2: played in Texas and his speed was unbelievable coming out
Speaker 2: of high school. He was a five star, but it
Speaker 2: seemed very shady because all sorts of schools suddenly backed
Speaker 2: off him near the end of his recruitment, and Oregon
Speaker 2: was like, well, I guess we'll take him.
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's the good stuff right there. Oh.
Speaker 1: And then the other name here that I have on
Speaker 1: this list, and I think, for my money, this is
Speaker 1: the best name, best random name that we're going to
Speaker 1: talk about here. Zach Zwinnak. Oh my god, I love it.
Speaker 1: Zach Frickin' Zwinnac from Penn State. M hm. He was
Speaker 1: the guy, like the the guy for Bill O'Brien over
Speaker 1: that very short tenure he had at Penn State when
Speaker 1: everyone was fleeing Penn State because of the scandal and
Speaker 1: they had very few scholarship players. He was one half
Speaker 1: of that vaunted zwinn act Bill Belton combo that they're
Speaker 1: going to talk about. I'm sure in perpetuity rushed for
Speaker 1: I think a thousand yards or close to a thousand
Speaker 1: yards both seasons that he got the bulk of the
Speaker 1: carries and really truly was the guy for Bill O'Brien
Speaker 1: for two years.
Speaker 2: That was Hack's freshman year, right, he started as a
Speaker 2: true freshman, yes, correct, and was good. So in retrospect,
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien, pretty good coach, pretty good college coach. I
Speaker 2: think that class, it was a smaller recruiting class, but
Speaker 2: pretty good because you're going to see playing time early on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Bill Belton, Zach's Winnak. Yeah, there was something about some
Speaker 2: of that team where you're like, yeah, my cousin Za's
Speaker 2: pretty good if you want him to start.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to say. For sentimental
Speaker 1: value and for randoms that played college football, if you
Speaker 1: want to go mining, go look at that twenty twelve
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen span for Penn State football. You'll find a
Speaker 1: Mike Zordich here in there. Guys like that.
Speaker 2: Still, yeah, I still remember a Davy Jones story after
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien left, where like Bill O'Brien called him on
Speaker 2: the phone and was likesh, I'm dealing with a lot here.
Speaker 2: There's a lot. I'm whoa this is not?
Speaker 1: And those were the Evan Schwan years at Penn States.
Speaker 2: So yes for running back on my just all sentimental
Speaker 2: team I lost Letterman squad. I have Kadeem Carry, who
Speaker 2: anchored who I believe did get in trouble. So I'm
Speaker 2: strictly talking about my sentimental value for what he did
Speaker 2: on the field, what he did on the just such
Speaker 2: a hipster twenty thirteen Arizona Wildcat squad with BJ Danker.
Speaker 2: It was the hipster ass West Virginia Pat White, Steve
Speaker 2: Slayton backfield with Kadem Kerry and BJ Danker, who I
Speaker 2: think Kadeem Carry went for about four thousand yards in
Speaker 2: two years. BJ Danker almost rushed for one thousand. In
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen. They beat a really good Oregon team that
Speaker 2: year in Tucson, and he was so good. He was
Speaker 2: arguably the best running back in the country, and he
Speaker 2: just sort of faded. I think he was drafted in
Speaker 2: you know, a mid round to like the Bears or
Speaker 2: something and never did anything. But both I have him
Speaker 2: and I have David Wilson, who had one extraordinary year
Speaker 2: for Virginia Tech man and that makes me happy because
Speaker 2: I've watched recent Virginia Tech offenses and it's nice to
Speaker 2: go back to a time where they could run the
Speaker 2: ball and he was a great all purpose weapon and
Speaker 2: he did backflips. And it's a little personal to me
Speaker 2: because I met him. I interviewed him and was super nice,
Speaker 2: did a really fun interview with him, and then he
Speaker 2: I think he medically retired after like a year in
Speaker 2: the NFL. He had remembering the good times. It was
Speaker 2: like a vertebrae.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that he had something crazy
Speaker 1: like eighteen nineteen hundred yards from scrimmage. He was your
Speaker 1: year and the Giants drafted him. He was first round. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He was great in college and had the injury and
Speaker 1: wasn't able to play.
Speaker 2: So that still resonates with me. Okay, let's go receiver.
Speaker 1: Okay, why don't you start with receiver?
Speaker 2: All right, So this is on my sentimental team, and
Speaker 2: these are the best compliments I can offer to, especially
Speaker 2: a receiver where you're in such you're in so little
Speaker 2: control of your actual success. It's so quarterback and blocking
Speaker 2: and you know, dB dependent. But the three of my guys,
Speaker 2: this is my like memorial Eric Decker Award for being
Speaker 2: on not so good and just getting open and being
Speaker 2: an entire offense. Aj Jenkins for Illinois, Yeah, another Ali,
Speaker 2: and I I think his quarterback was Nathan sielhouse Man
Speaker 2: and that he was the offense. He was that offense.
Speaker 2: Jared aberderis who I think early had Russell Wilson and
Speaker 2: then it got kind of rough quarterback for Wisconsin, but
Speaker 2: he was alongside Nicktoon and they were both very very good.
Speaker 2: He could definitely have gotten Nicktoon. I went back and forth.
Speaker 2: My third pick is my favorite just in terms of sentimentality,
Speaker 2: and you know it must be because it's a receiver
Speaker 2: from Oregon State eight. And this is similar to my
Speaker 2: feeling or my comparison for you about clenching that BH
Speaker 2: with Denard Robinson, James Rogers. And I know Quiz gets
Speaker 2: probably more attention because of his size and just you
Speaker 2: know the huge game he had against USC, but James
Speaker 2: Rogers running the fly sweep and then just un guardable.
Speaker 2: There are certain receivers you look at and like, if
Speaker 2: I put Julio Jones or al Sean Jeffrey or Calvin Ridley, know,
Speaker 2: all of these guys who are just Adonis's in front
Speaker 2: of you, and said, these guys are here's a spoiler,
Speaker 2: You're not gonna be able to guard him. You're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I get that. Uh huh, yep, I totally agree. You
Speaker 2: put James Rogers in front of You're like, hey, we'll
Speaker 2: figure something out, and you couldn't. James Rogers was that
Speaker 2: good and that automatic, and I loved watching him and
Speaker 2: it made me feel terrible because he went to Oregon
Speaker 2: State and he would kill Oregon each year.
Speaker 1: He was so good. A good return man too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, he was terrifying.
Speaker 1: All right, who do you have? I've got Aurelius Ben
Speaker 1: while we're doing while we're doing the Illinois thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: here's what's interesting about Arelias Ben. I feel like a
Speaker 1: lot of people know him. A lot of people know
Speaker 1: the name.
Speaker 2: But yeah, five star yep.
Speaker 1: After he had a breakout sophomore year. He had like
Speaker 1: a thousand yards a sophomore year. If you look over
Speaker 1: the totality of his college career, he only had he
Speaker 1: played three years and left early. He only had seven
Speaker 1: receiving touchdowns in three years. Okay, all right, so it
Speaker 1: wasn't like a Justin Blackman kind of season where he's
Speaker 1: got a million touchdowns seven total over the span of
Speaker 1: three years. He was drafted, I think in the second
Speaker 1: round by the Bucks, had like kind of immediately right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: had around one thousand yards over the entire span of
Speaker 1: his NFL career and sort of flamed out. But Arelli
Speaker 1: has Ben had that season, went to the It wasn't
Speaker 1: the same season that Illinois went to the Rose Bowl
Speaker 1: with Juce Williams because that was the year before we
Speaker 1: started doing our podcast in like two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: but he had that experience. He built on that experience
Speaker 1: the next year, had over a thousand yards in his
Speaker 1: sophomore year, then left early after his junior campaign, got
Speaker 1: drafted and then didn't really work out. But Aurelius Ben
Speaker 1: is a name that still holds very much sentimental value
Speaker 1: for me. Also on that list, I mentioned Jeremy Gallon.
Speaker 1: We won't go back into it. He does fall into
Speaker 1: that category of Michigan receivers that you know by name,
Speaker 1: but he knew in the moment that maybe we won't
Speaker 1: see them on Sundays. They're just fun to.
Speaker 2: Watch little Rowntree action.
Speaker 1: I considered Roy Rowntree as well. Absolutely, I have Derick
Speaker 1: Rodgers on this list. Ah, great transfer. Derick Rodgers had
Speaker 1: some issues at Tennessee ended up transferring to Tennessee Tech.
Speaker 1: I just like the fact that his name was Derick.
Speaker 1: We always got to.
Speaker 2: Kick out of that doing the shade played at Oddston
Speaker 2: Stadium Tennessee Tech and then made it to the NFL
Speaker 2: for a little bit.
Speaker 1: Totally good. Pick some other names here on my list.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you didn't include Josh Huff.
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't want to go too heavy Oregon
Speaker 2: because we've got a couple here, and I don't know.
Speaker 2: You took one, maybe two Notre Dame players.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 2: There's Josh Huff, Jeff Mail, There's all sorts of players
Speaker 2: in that those wide out cores.
Speaker 1: I'm also throwing Marvin McNutt in there. I think he
Speaker 1: might be my number one. Marvin McNutt over DJK yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: had a cup of coffee, I believe with the NFL
Speaker 1: played a little bit here and there.
Speaker 2: So he was drafted in twenty twelve. So who were
Speaker 2: his quarterbacks at Iowa. Let's see, two thousand they had DJK.
Speaker 2: That was a good duo. In two thousand and eight
Speaker 2: he had Ricky Stansey.
Speaker 1: Oh, love it or leave it. In two thousand and
Speaker 1: nine he had Ricky Stanzy. Yeah. In ten he had
Speaker 1: Ricky Stanzy.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that was that was totally decent. That's an
Speaker 2: NFL quarterback.
Speaker 1: And in twenty eleven James Vandenburg. All right, so Ricky
Speaker 1: Stansy was an NFL quarterback. All right, Before we go
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Speaker 1: All right, let's move to the lines here. I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Are there any names with sentimental value to you along
Speaker 1: the lines?
Speaker 2: So along the offensive line, I have one name, and
Speaker 2: this is one of my Oregon names. It's Kyle Long,
Speaker 2: who Yes, he's a first round pick, he's still in
Speaker 2: the NFL, but he was not a longtime college name.
Speaker 2: He played one year of college football. I think you
Speaker 2: started playing college baseball and got in trouble and went
Speaker 2: JUCO and ended up at Oregon. He was a backup
Speaker 2: at Oregon during his one season and into like November,
Speaker 2: and this still resonates with me. They're like, well, he's
Speaker 2: come along, he's learned the playbook, he has a good understanding,
Speaker 2: and I guess we're gonna start him against USC on
Speaker 2: the road. At USC, smash cut to ken Yon Barner
Speaker 2: running for three hundred and twenty one yards behind Kyle Long,
Speaker 2: and it made me so happy, so so so so.
Speaker 2: It was Marcus Mariot's freshman year, and I think they
Speaker 2: petitioned to get him another year. It didn't work, and
Speaker 2: so his fallback plan was getting drafted in the first round.
Speaker 2: And Kyle Long probably would have been like a blue chip,
Speaker 2: five star offensive lineman had he chosen football over baseball.
Speaker 2: He grew up and I want to say Charlottesville, think
Speaker 2: that's where the Long family resides. But I remember that
Speaker 2: early on, hearing just from people at Oregon practice, players
Speaker 2: and coaches and people who just happened to be like,
Speaker 2: he's a different kind of guy. He's a different guy.
Speaker 2: So he's going to start and he's going to be
Speaker 2: the best guy that there is. And so that became
Speaker 2: really apparent that first game starting. And so I held
Speaker 2: a soft spot from two twenty thousand, twenty thousand, I
Speaker 2: held a soft spot from twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: I don't have an offensive woman, but I do a
Speaker 1: defensive lineman.
Speaker 2: I know you disrespect large men.
Speaker 1: Remember a gentleman by the name of Jackson Jeffcoat. What
Speaker 1: about Jeff Schwartz.
Speaker 2: I guess he was oh seven was his final year
Speaker 2: Jackson Jeffcoat, Dan Jackson Jeffcoat.
Speaker 1: He was the number one strong side defensive end in
Speaker 1: the twenty ten recruiting class. He's Canadian born.
Speaker 2: Mm hm. He got to be really good.
Speaker 1: He played at the University of Texas and didn't really
Speaker 1: go on to that renown of a pro career, but
Speaker 1: came in with a certain amount of acclaim. And uh,
Speaker 1: I was always enamored with the name. You know, now,
Speaker 1: it's the name of a Billions character. Almost there's a
Speaker 1: character on Billions named Jock Jeffcoat, and I always think
Speaker 1: of Jackson Jeffcoat. Jackson Jeffcoat played at Tennessee. No, Jackson
Speaker 1: Jeffco played at Texas. The name forever sticks with me.
Speaker 1: This was right in the early part of our solid
Speaker 1: verbal rise to glory here on the podcast, Jackson jeffcot.
Speaker 2: You know what I really liked about not just Jackson Jeffcote,
Speaker 2: but a lot of players from this Texas era. It
Speaker 2: was like the Forgotten era. It was all these players,
Speaker 2: seeing Vince Young and then Colt McCoy and those incredible
Speaker 2: secondaries and running backs, whoever, this Texas team is just
Speaker 2: going to be a never ending dynasty. And then like
Speaker 2: it's the actual Jackson Jeffcoat era. Right, it's like twenty
Speaker 2: ten to twenty thirteen. That's the end of Mac Brown
Speaker 2: at Texas. That's the well, is he going to turn
Speaker 2: around this year?
Speaker 1: No? Is he gonna turn around this year? No?
Speaker 2: And like it's the hush hush, what forgotten era of Texas.
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to think who else we're on? God,
Speaker 2: it was I'm looking through here. This is Jack and Shipley,
Speaker 2: Marquise Goodwin, Fozzy Whittaker. You got David ash in there
Speaker 2: until he got hurt. There's you have I think two
Speaker 2: Malcolm Brown's right on both sides of the ball. You
Speaker 2: have DJ Monroe, Joe bergeron who like really flashed for
Speaker 2: a while, Jonathan Gray so, Daja Johnson. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: these names. So this was like that forgotten era and
Speaker 2: every team has this era. And you know what, whether
Speaker 2: it was like as things went downhill for Notre Dame
Speaker 2: or the end of you know, uh, Mark Helfrich at
Speaker 2: Oregon and even the end of Pete Carroll at USC
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, yeah that guy, huh yeah, I just
Speaker 2: went to a rose ball.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: So I love that that, you know, Jackson Jeff quot
Speaker 2: was still able to shine through some some turbulent times.
Speaker 1: Let's go over to linebacker.
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, well I didn't give my defensive lineman. Oh please,
Speaker 2: I'll go through these quickly because I love a good
Speaker 2: unorthodox ly not a word sized defensive lineman. You look
Speaker 2: at LSU and you're like, man, both of their defensive
Speaker 2: tackles are six five three thirty great. Both of their
Speaker 2: ends are six four two seventy five, exactly what you want.
Speaker 2: I love it when they're like so. I have listed
Speaker 2: on here every undersized defensive end from TCU. Ever, Jerry Hughes,
Speaker 2: who is pre Fantasy Things. Ye did you know Jerry
Speaker 2: Hughes used to be a running back pre Fantasy Things
Speaker 2: all star if it had existed. But Stansley Mapunga, DeVante
Speaker 2: Fields who did get into a bunch of trouble, and
Speaker 2: Paul Dawson, all these guys were like they just looked
Speaker 2: like they were like, oh, he's built kind of solidly,
Speaker 2: but like if he were working a construction site or
Speaker 2: at an office. They're all six two two forty and
Speaker 2: we're all amazing. They were all incredible. I also have
Speaker 2: down here unorthodoxally sized Mount Cody, Yeah for Alabama, who
Speaker 2: blocked a game winning kick and at five hundred and
Speaker 2: seventy three pounds, why not. And just a personal favorite
Speaker 2: because it seemed like he memorized snap counts in a
Speaker 2: way that was like ingrained in his head. Hercules mataafa
Speaker 2: for wazoo. Great, Like, that's a six two two forty
Speaker 2: five defensive tackle who just sliced through every offensive line.
Speaker 1: I loved him, all right, let's move to linebacker. I'm
Speaker 1: partial to two guys here, I'm right. First off, a
Speaker 1: gentleman we actually had on the program. Mm hmm. Aaron Curry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: formerly the fourth overall pick out of Wake Forest, was
Speaker 1: picked by the Seahawks in the two thousand and nine
Speaker 1: NFL draft. Was a big deal coming out of college.
Speaker 1: Didn't really live up to the hype, right, But we
Speaker 1: had him on the program, and I was always partial
Speaker 1: to him. The one thing I remember, you could probably
Speaker 1: go back and find the show if it hasn't been deleted.
Speaker 1: When we talked to him, we said to him, what
Speaker 1: are you gonna do with your money? What are you
Speaker 1: gonna do with your with your first paycheck? And he
Speaker 1: talked about how he wanted to buy and I forget
Speaker 1: the breed, but some breed of dog that was very
Speaker 1: rare might have been silver and had it was a
Speaker 1: husky ish something blue Allions or silver eyes, right, something
Speaker 1: akin to that. So I hope he got his puppy,
Speaker 1: and I hope he's doing well. May not have worked
Speaker 1: out in the pro game, but was an absolute force
Speaker 1: at Wake Forest.
Speaker 2: He was a total force.
Speaker 1: And then the other one here is Joe Schmidt. Oh,
Speaker 1: I love that call. Joe Schmidt to me feels like
Speaker 1: one of the ultimates of this list. Joe Schmidt, former
Speaker 1: Notre Dame linebacker, undersized walk on had a lot of
Speaker 1: feel good qualities to him and his play.
Speaker 2: Five foot nothing, one hundred and nothing was.
Speaker 1: Very, very bright on the football field. Maybe not the
Speaker 1: most athletically sound, but certainly plug the hole up the
Speaker 1: middle and was limited but very effective in his own way.
Speaker 2: Was he there at the same time as Jalen Smith?
Speaker 2: He was, Yeah, So that was like a nice dichotomy
Speaker 2: because Jalen Smith was everywhere. Jalen Smith was arguably the
Speaker 2: best linebacker in the country. And then you next to him,
Speaker 2: you have what are we gonna use, gritty Wes Welker type, ye,
Speaker 2: Joe Schmidt. Yeah, No, that was good. That was a
Speaker 2: you know, Notre Dame recently has done really well with linebacker.
Speaker 1: It was a very good tandem. But what I will
Speaker 1: never forget about Joe Schmidt, And maybe it was because
Speaker 1: you could see the contrast between him and Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: on the field because they were playing on the same team,
Speaker 1: same side of the ball, every play, right next to
Speaker 1: each other. Joe Schmidt is one of the only players
Speaker 1: that I can remember watching the game and listening to
Speaker 1: the commentators pretty much talk openly like he's not going
Speaker 1: to play in the NFL, like, yeah, he's good enough
Speaker 1: for this team, but like he's going to be going
Speaker 1: pro in something other than sports. And the degree to
Speaker 1: which the commentators who are just open about this fact
Speaker 1: always blew me away is like, does Joe Schmidt find
Speaker 1: this disrespectful that they're talking about him like this? He's
Speaker 1: having a pretty good year.
Speaker 2: There's also a Joe Schmidt who played linebacker for Pitt
Speaker 2: in the like fifties.
Speaker 1: Uh so there's that.
Speaker 2: Soh My linebacking crew is all over the place, but
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: So I've got Scooby right.
Speaker 2: Obviously, good one, good one who piled up tackles like
Speaker 2: he was paid a dollar a tackle, like they would
Speaker 2: pay you for Neutria in Louisiana. To help get you
Speaker 2: through the winter. Scooby was just everywhere and just piled
Speaker 2: it up, put up every stat but was a Heisman finalist.
Speaker 2: So I feel a little bad putting him in as
Speaker 2: a sentimental favorite, but he absolutely was because he didn't
Speaker 2: do much. I think he was on an AAF squad.
Speaker 2: Ray maul Luga, who was a total blue chipper and
Speaker 2: had an NFL career and maybe still is in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but when he came in, I
Speaker 2: mean the USC linebacking crew. I keep saying cru but
Speaker 2: linebacking corp whatever is one of the most talented. When
Speaker 2: you look at like the height of the Pete Carroll era,
Speaker 2: with Brian Cushing and Keith Rivers, all these guys and
Speaker 2: Raymond Lugu. When he came in, You're like, I think
Speaker 2: he wants to kill somebody, and he was there. I
Speaker 2: want to say he overlapped with Vontez Berfect, but I'm
Speaker 2: not positive who was actually on my act All All team.
Speaker 2: But that huge hit against UCLA is one of five
Speaker 2: six times where I was watching a game You're like,
Speaker 2: what just happened? Is that guy all right? Is that
Speaker 2: guy Spleen in the seventeenth Row and he was just
Speaker 2: ridiculous to watch. And then my third guy is Kenhrell Brothers,
Speaker 2: who this fits a very specific mold for me. He
Speaker 2: was at Miszoo twenty fifteen. He like one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty plus tackles. He was arguably the best player on
Speaker 2: a defense that had to do everything for this family.
Speaker 2: It was such a bad offense that Miszoo's defense is there. Again,
Speaker 2: we've talked about great half teams. There is an argument
Speaker 2: to be made, and it would be the saddest argument
Speaker 2: to spend any more time on twenty fifteen Mazoo that
Speaker 2: that defense was the best defense on a terrible, terrible
Speaker 2: team that had to deal with a terrible offen Ken
Speaker 2: Trell Brothers, I think he's a backup in the NFL.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but he was everywhere. I loved him.
Speaker 1: We actually have some overlap. What do we have defensive
Speaker 1: back position? I didn't know this. Oh yeah, I saw this.
Speaker 1: We both have Zach Sanchez Zack Sanchez. Zack Sanchez had
Speaker 1: a run st Oklahoma right yep, where he was just
Speaker 1: incredible at finding the football, at picking off the football
Speaker 1: didn't amount to much as an NFL player. That's okay,
Speaker 1: but incredible run as a defensive back.
Speaker 2: For the Sooners makes me feel sentimental. For a time
Speaker 2: when Oklahoma occasionally stopped people throwing the ball, and Zack
Speaker 2: Sanchez was one of the reasons they did that. They
Speaker 2: had a couple good linebackers in there. They struggled post venables,
Speaker 2: I would say, but Zack Sanchez a lot of the
Speaker 2: time was a bright spot. So we have that soft
Speaker 2: spot for Zack Sohnchek.
Speaker 1: We had a ton of fun talking about Zack Sanchez
Speaker 1: and especially doing that accent. But just looking over his
Speaker 1: college career, he had fifteen interceptions in three years, which
Speaker 1: is incredible, six and seven his final two seasons at Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: They could use a lot more of that. Right now,
Speaker 1: Zack Sanchez has any eligibility and wants to come back.
Speaker 2: And sometimes that means if you were throwing at a
Speaker 2: corner more that maybe he's not as good as the
Speaker 2: guy on the opposite side of the field, and that's
Speaker 2: it could be true. But if Zack Snchez is pulling
Speaker 2: down picks, then he's doing what he supposed to. So
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: You have a couple other heirs. Here's a couple others
Speaker 1: here yeah, I got Crazy Carl Joseph, who's still actually
Speaker 1: I think in the league. But Karl Joseph from West Virginia.
Speaker 1: We called him Crazy Carl because he was just like
Speaker 1: a torpedo coming down from the strong safety position. I've
Speaker 1: also got here the Darren Walls slash Gary Gray mm hmm,
Speaker 1: blended era at Notre Dame. There was some overlap there
Speaker 1: between the two. Darren Walls came in and was a
Speaker 1: very highly regarded cornerback prospect, didn't quite amount to the
Speaker 1: hype once they got it out there wasn't bad, wasn't
Speaker 1: Gary Gray bad. But Darren Walls was one of the
Speaker 1: first cornerbacks that I can remember in an era where
Speaker 1: Notre Dame needed cornerbacks where they actually went out and
Speaker 1: got one, and he came in with a hype. Didn't
Speaker 1: quite pan out, but whatever. And then the Gary Gray thing.
Speaker 1: I put Gary Gray on this list because in the
Speaker 1: early part of our podcast I I made all sorts
Speaker 1: of hay making fun of Gary Gray. Okay, not a
Speaker 1: very good cornerback, but still saw a ton of playing
Speaker 1: time because Notre Dame all on the whole was not
Speaker 1: very good at cornerback either.
Speaker 2: And then it was what year are we talking about?
Speaker 1: So this is like right as the podcast is starting up.
Speaker 2: Darren Wallas oh nine to ten.
Speaker 1: Yeah, finished his college career in twenty ten, and Gary
Speaker 1: Gray was shortly thereafter.
Speaker 2: He is currently the defensive coordinator at Baldwin High in Pittsburgh. Yep,
Speaker 2: I assume named after Jonathan Baldwin. That would be weird.
Speaker 1: Who is the note? I liked a Notre Dame corner.
Speaker 1: This is weird to say out loud.
Speaker 2: But it was like thirteen fourteen, fifteen somewhere in the Russell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was good.
Speaker 2: He was good. They've gotten really good at corner, my
Speaker 2: other corner other than zax heres Is. I mean, how
Speaker 2: do you not love Cliff Harris at what he did
Speaker 2: on the field. Has had a rough go of it after.
Speaker 2: But the rumor is the story is he showed up
Speaker 2: at Oregon and when freshmen were introducing themselves to the team,
Speaker 2: he said, my name is Cliff Harris and I'm here
Speaker 2: to lock shit down and then just sat down and
Speaker 2: totally backed it up. I still claim he had that
Speaker 2: pick against Auburn in the National Championship game that they
Speaker 2: ruled he was out of bounds. He had one of
Speaker 2: my just most viscerally enjoyable picks. It was that Tennessee
Speaker 2: game that if you remember, there was lightning the delay
Speaker 2: and Matt Simms, bless his heart, decided to throw clear
Speaker 2: across his body across the field and Cliff Harris took
Speaker 2: it back for eighty and six and it was just
Speaker 2: so wonderful. So, Cliff Harris, you were great and I
Speaker 2: miss you so.
Speaker 1: On the heels of talking about Zack Sanchez and drawing
Speaker 1: drawing loose reference to our favorite John Miller fake Spanish accent, yes,
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about Drew Alamon,
Speaker 1: the kicker former kicker for LSU who Vern Lunquist seemingly
Speaker 1: invented a fake French accent to described during CBS broadcasts
Speaker 1: back in the day.
Speaker 2: That sounds familiar, Drew Lmo Lemo. Yeah, I'm sorry you
Speaker 2: didn't go with Brad Wing here, but you know that's
Speaker 2: too obvious. He was so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's playing in the NFL now, and.
Speaker 2: He's still in the NFL, but you know, for a
Speaker 2: punter on a fake punt to get an unsportsmanlike conduct
Speaker 2: penalty as he runs in a touchdown on a fake punt. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's wonderful. I have Alex Henry, who was also excellent.
Speaker 2: This is not underrated Nebraska, but for Nebraska, I think
Speaker 2: he's still their all time points leader, and I just
Speaker 2: I still remember him. There's something about a kicker who
Speaker 2: doesn't just make field goals, but you get the announcer
Speaker 2: saying that would have been good from seventy and he
Speaker 2: was putting deep field goals in ten yards above the
Speaker 2: crossbar and just had an absolute boot and could not
Speaker 2: have enjoyed his career more. I just, yeah, I was
Speaker 2: jealous watching him in Nebraska.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read through this list of sentimental favorites. Yes
Speaker 1: on my end, on your end, we've got casual dress,
Speaker 1: James Franklin, Tate Forcier, Joel Stave. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I had time to mention Riley Skinner. Great name, Yeah,
Speaker 1: great name, Michel Laschore, Fitzgerald Toussaint Lake, Seastrunk, my boy,
Speaker 1: Zach Frickins Winnack.
Speaker 2: You forgot the top. You've brought two of the names
Speaker 2: on here. Oh oh yeah. And Ralph Bolden, Poor Ralph
Speaker 2: Bolden with his knees. Yeah, Aurelius Bend Marvin McNutt, Josh Huff,
Speaker 2: de Rick Rodgers, and Jeremy Gallon. I had Jackson, Jeffcoat,
Speaker 2: Aaron Curry, Joe Schmidt, Darren Walls, Gary Gray, Zack Sanchez,
Speaker 2: Crazy Carl Joseph.
Speaker 1: Andrew Elmore. And then on your side we had Denard Robinson,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Claus and Tea Magic, Taylor Martinez, Cadeem Carry, David Wilson,
Speaker 1: James Rogers, Jabbed, Jared Aberdaris, A J. Jenkins, Kyle Long,
Speaker 1: every TCU undersize defensive end. Excuse me, Hercules Montaafa, Ken,
Speaker 1: Shrell Brothers, Cliff Harris, Alex Henry and Zack Sanchez. Times.
Speaker 2: Yes, all of these are correct. I am quite excited.
Speaker 2: These are our sentimental favorites. And on part two we're
Speaker 2: going to be doing our actual favorite excellent players at
Speaker 2: each position, and we are going to try to make
Speaker 2: cases for why they are the deserving ones in our minds. So,
Speaker 2: for instance, like you have here, uh, Tom Reese as
Speaker 2: you're an.
Speaker 1: All time best, So yeah.
Speaker 2: Should we I meant to do this? Should we be
Speaker 2: calling him Jim Clawson? I don't know, John Manziel, Chris McCaffrey,
Speaker 2: I'm previewing too much here. I love this ty, I sincerely,
Speaker 2: sincerely did. One of the things I just wanted to
Speaker 2: mention real quick before we go and preview next week,
Speaker 2: is when you were talking about crazy Carl Joseph, that
Speaker 2: there is something about having a safety. It's usually a safety,
Speaker 2: but sometimes it's gonna be a corner who piles up
Speaker 2: ridiculous interception numbers and gets drafted like four rounds too high.
Speaker 2: And I couldn't pull the trigger on Raheem Moore, nor
Speaker 2: could I select David Amerson, but it's all I could
Speaker 2: think about when you were talking about Carl Joseph. Also,
Speaker 2: I was going to ask about tight End because I
Speaker 2: have an answer, but it's putting you on the spot
Speaker 2: if you don't, So I'm gonna give you my tight
Speaker 2: End who was automatic And another pre Fantasy Things showing okay,
Speaker 2: and that's Nick O'Leary. Nick O'Leary for Florida State. Yeah,
Speaker 2: grandson of Jack Nicholas.
Speaker 1: Who could ever forget that would have been a Fantasy
Speaker 1: Things selection back in the day.
Speaker 2: He was secretly one of, if not the most dependable
Speaker 2: part of that all time all time. I want to
Speaker 2: say it was twenty thirteen Florida State offense, where anytime
Speaker 2: they'd get to third and seven, it would either be
Speaker 2: a screen or be like, oh, eight yard quick out
Speaker 2: to Nicol Larry Sure, uh huh, drive keeps going, And
Speaker 2: I respect that.
Speaker 1: If I go back, you look at Notre Dame tight ends.
Speaker 2: Hm, oh, this is gonna be tough.
Speaker 1: Notre Dame has a long list of really good tight ends. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think back a while if you go back and
Speaker 1: look at it. But one that always comes to mind
Speaker 1: for me is Anthony Fosano. And that was slightly I
Speaker 1: guess before our two thousand and eight cut off for this.
Speaker 1: He was maybe a year or two before that. But
Speaker 1: Anthony Fossano for me, is the tight end that I
Speaker 1: think I have the most sentimental value.
Speaker 2: Who is objectively the best Notre Dame tight end of
Speaker 2: the solid verbal era, of the solid verbal era, probably
Speaker 2: Kyle Rudolph. Rudolph Okay, yeah, it's not a good run.
Speaker 2: It's been a really good run. Kyle Rudolph definitely in
Speaker 2: the mix there.
Speaker 1: You could probably throw Tyler Eifert in that equation as well,
Speaker 1: though I don't think he was. I Likedifford a lot
Speaker 1: as good. John Carlson another sleeper who played in the
Speaker 1: NFL for a while. If he might still be in
Speaker 1: the NFL, I don't know. Troy Nick, Troy Nick Nick,
Speaker 1: Troy Nichols, the Troy Nicholas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, god, there was a I'm looking through it. Oh here,
Speaker 2: how about ben Koyak Ben Koyak yep, sure, yeah, they
Speaker 2: went away from it. They've gone away from it a
Speaker 2: little bit recently. Alas Jones and Alas mack Man, this
Speaker 2: is a good lift. Durham smythe durham smythe All right,
Speaker 2: we're just naming people now. My pick for a favorite
Speaker 2: Oregon tight end is David Paulson for the record, Auburn
Speaker 2: Washington's own.
Speaker 1: All right, So here's the deal. Next week, we're going
Speaker 1: to go through our all time all time team. Yes,
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, Yes, two thousand and eight, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all time all time. Within the span of doing this show,
Speaker 1: we'll go through a two thousand and eight to present.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, though, please send us in your tweets,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to close with this, ty, if you could
Speaker 2: select anybody on your all Thie sentimental team to have
Speaker 2: all twenty two a team of O leave them? Who
Speaker 2: are you selecting? Do you want a team of Marvin mcnutts.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go Lake Seastrunk.
Speaker 2: A team of Seastrunks. That's not bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all speed, baby, all.
Speaker 2: Speed all the time. I'm going all Mataafa's sounds good.
Speaker 1: All right, Well for that guy over there, my good
Speaker 1: friend Dan Rubisy, for myself, Dihalda, We'll catch you all
Speaker 1: in a week. Thanks for listening. In the meantime, stay solid, peace,