WEBVTT - All-time Podcast Team: The Sentimentals

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Solid Verbal. I'll that for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be happy, you want to be happy

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<v Speaker 2>for Dake Edith State?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that whoo whoom and down and tie. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to the Solid Verba boys and girls. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over there in beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>New York City.

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<v Speaker 2>My man.

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<v Speaker 1>Am Dan Rubisteine, Sir, how are you you know? I

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<v Speaker 1>got a massage earlier today?

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<v Speaker 2>Ty? What I really slept? I slept terribly the past

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<v Speaker 2>two nights on my neck and was really feeling it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have one of those handheld massagers that's on

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<v Speaker 2>the fritz, and so I went to a local place

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<v Speaker 2>that's well reviewed, got ten minutes of intense attention, and

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta say, I think it opened something up in

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<v Speaker 2>me and I'm feeling great.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, there's a Bob Kraft joke in there that I

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<v Speaker 1>will not make. I promise you upper.

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<v Speaker 2>Back massage will not make that joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the show. I'm Tie, He's Dan. This

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<v Speaker 1>the episodes, as well as some other popular college football topics. Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>did I miss anything in there?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think that's pretty good. We've got a whole

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of shows that if you haven't listened to these

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<v Speaker 2>past few weeks, I think you should go check out

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<v Speaker 2>we've been I think we have been hitting our stride

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<v Speaker 2>pretty nicely. And it's not even in July when we

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<v Speaker 2>would start doing season previews, team previews, conference previews. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a no weeks off operation here, Ty and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be prouder. I feel like since I started standing while

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<v Speaker 2>I record, Yeah, I've not only enjoyed the show more,

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<v Speaker 2>but some of the ideas to make it through this

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<v Speaker 2>long cold off season. I've just they've come a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more naturally, not just to me, but to you

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<v Speaker 2>as well. This is true. And can we first before

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<v Speaker 2>we get into because you know what the show is

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<v Speaker 2>generally about, because you've seen the title and description. We

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<v Speaker 2>need to give proper attribution to our inspiration for doing

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<v Speaker 2>tonight's show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, absolutely so. I don't know have we settled on

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<v Speaker 1>a title. Maybe we just call it all times solid

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<v Speaker 1>verbal something like that. Yeah, yeah, something along those lines.

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<v Speaker 1>We started talking about it earlier in the week. We

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<v Speaker 1>both gravitated towards it. Right, all Americans, we can do

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<v Speaker 1>that workshopping. I'll keep workshopping workshop all throughout the next

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<v Speaker 1>hour or so. But yes, proper attribution is required here.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to lay it all out there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So, somebody who's been around the sort of Twitter

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<v Speaker 2>sphere and college football universe online for a while as

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<v Speaker 2>this guy Jim Weber and helps to put together and

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<v Speaker 2>run and do all sorts of things with a concept,

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<v Speaker 2>a website, a feed, all sorts of thing called Lost Letterman,

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<v Speaker 2>And every so often I don't even think he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>know we're doing this, but every so often he says, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>just reply to this tweet with the first random college

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<v Speaker 2>football player you think of, and there are I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you've gone through it now, incredible responses that people are

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<v Speaker 2>just saying, like, hey Willie Twitama, Hey Joe Shobert, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just all over the place, incredible players that we've

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<v Speaker 2>celebrated these past few years. But the replies to his

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<v Speaker 2>specific tweet go back forever and ever. So we decided

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<v Speaker 2>that we were going to come up with two sort

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<v Speaker 2>of all American ish teams. Yes, and they are both

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<v Speaker 2>going to exist within the solid verbal universe of time.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is all American teams that we are coming

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<v Speaker 2>up with that is only including players that have played

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<v Speaker 2>during which we've had a podcast. So the two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and eight to current day correct and the first team

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<v Speaker 2>is and I want to explain this correctly because either

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<v Speaker 2>way we're going to get a lot of people pushing

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<v Speaker 2>back and questioning some of our choices. The first teams

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<v Speaker 2>the it's the all solid verbal standard all American team.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not necessarily who we think is the actual best

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<v Speaker 2>player at every position. This is the clear best offensive

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<v Speaker 2>lineman at you know, playing right tackle. It's not that,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is the best person that also resonated most

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<v Speaker 2>intensely with us, Right, does that make sense? I think

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<v Speaker 2>so it's a combination of being best and subjectively made

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest impact on us. So while the subjective best

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback is you know, statistically and accomplishment, it's probably what

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<v Speaker 2>who Baker Mayfiel, I don't know. That's it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>very subjective, but you have on this a quarterback who

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<v Speaker 2>nobody would choose as the player that you consider to

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<v Speaker 2>be one of the most impactful and best players I love.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's we've got two teams that were putting

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<v Speaker 1>together and the second team is what tie well. So

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<v Speaker 1>the first is right as you described, it's our collection.

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<v Speaker 1>It's our favorites of the best, our favorites of the best.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we've also got another team which is just

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<v Speaker 1>more random. But I think guys who had who had

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<v Speaker 1>an impact on us, none of them I'm looking here,

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<v Speaker 1>none of them really had much of an NFL future.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of them had their glory very much limited

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<v Speaker 1>to their college years as college football players. But guys

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<v Speaker 1>that resonate with us not only because they're rand or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a funny names or had an accomplishment here or

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<v Speaker 1>there in the college game. But I thought of it

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<v Speaker 1>pretty specifically in terms of who we talked about over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of the last decade. Sure, so you could

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<v Speaker 1>see a little bit where that's going if you've listened

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<v Speaker 1>to us for a while, because some of these names

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<v Speaker 1>are going to sound familiar, and you'll know some of

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<v Speaker 1>the obvious folks into our show dating back, gosh, years

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<v Speaker 1>and years and years now. But so one team is

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like our All American team, the players that

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<v Speaker 1>had the most impact on us over the last twelve

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<v Speaker 1>years or show, however long it's been since two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and eight now, and then the second team is more

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<v Speaker 1>just a bunch of randos, maybe not NFL accomplished, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not even that college accomplished, but guys who had an

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<v Speaker 1>impact on us, both in terms of the show and

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<v Speaker 1>just as college football fans.

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<v Speaker 2>Would you say they have sentimental value?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, these are players that have CENTI.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we have three times of spending a lion

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<v Speaker 2>I as we do Alabama.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to start with the random team first.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so these are just to all the players we

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<v Speaker 2>liked before.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that's the song.

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel hit me.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll start out at the quarterback position.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is just sentimental favorites, not necessary excellence.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk a little bit about my boy. Casual dress

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<v Speaker 1>James Franklin.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, great pick.

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<v Speaker 1>Casual dress James Franklin. Anyone here remember him? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>casual dress James Franklin. He was quarterback for four years

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<v Speaker 1>for the Missouri Tigers under Gary Pinkell. He was quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe at the time that you know, that would

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<v Speaker 1>be the time when they converted over from the big

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<v Speaker 1>twelve to the SEC and we were doing the show

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<v Speaker 1>then it was twenty ten through twenty thirteen, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was enamored with this guy. Not because his stats were

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<v Speaker 1>off the charts. I'm looking at him now, believe me,

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<v Speaker 1>they were not off the charts. Fine, he was fine. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a fine college quarterback. But what had me

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<v Speaker 1>so enamored about James Franklin was the fact that he

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<v Speaker 1>would drop back in the pocket and you if you

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<v Speaker 1>weren't listening to the game, if you didn't have the

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<v Speaker 1>sound up to hear that there was actual hitting going on,

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<v Speaker 1>you would have thought that they blew the whistle. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was always very nonchalant in the pocket, standing upright

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<v Speaker 1>walking around back there at times. Casual dress. James Franklin

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<v Speaker 1>was born on the show, very different person, does not

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<v Speaker 1>the current coach of Penn State, but casual dress James

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<v Speaker 1>Franklin sixty nine hundred yards in his career four years

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<v Speaker 1>nice at missoom So.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to the bottom of this a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>accidentally because I think the offensive coordinator at this time

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<v Speaker 2>for Miszoo was Dave Christiansen, who excuse me, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>not Dave Christensen. What was It's the floppy haired guy

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<v Speaker 2>who ended up at Oregon under Mark Helfrich. But Dave

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<v Speaker 2>Christensen was at Missoo at this time, and this quarterback coach,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm finding his name as we do as we're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>This was Mark Helfrich's offensive coordinator his final year, and

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<v Speaker 2>so Dakota Prucop also had this very flat footed a

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<v Speaker 2>approach to playing quarterback because he got back chapter like

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<v Speaker 2>three games. But it was as if James Franklin got

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<v Speaker 2>out of his car in a shopping center hungry for lunch,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's Panera on one side and Chick fil A

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<v Speaker 2>on the other, and he's just sort of scanning, like

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<v Speaker 2>what do I feel?

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<v Speaker 1>It was an extremely passive pocket.

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<v Speaker 2>What is it that appeals to me about scenario Alexander TJ.

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<v Speaker 2>Moe or any of these guys, So I like applaud

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<v Speaker 2>that pick. Any other quarterbacks that you sort of I've

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<v Speaker 2>got centered for your team.

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<v Speaker 1>I have multiple options here. I won't go into them

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<v Speaker 1>with such detail, but Tate Forcier has to be on

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<v Speaker 1>this list here.

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<v Speaker 2>David Yost is the floppy haired guy, but dude yos okay, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's the current offensive coordinator at Texas Tech.

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<v Speaker 2>So look forward to that Red Raiders.

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<v Speaker 1>Kate Forcier had two thousand passing yards as a freshman

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<v Speaker 1>back in two thousand and nine, right when we were yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess in our second year of doing the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember him well. A lot of people remember

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<v Speaker 1>him well for be eating Notre Dame on a late

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<v Speaker 1>touchdown pass that season. Of course, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Runs the gut right against Notre Dame. He had found

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<v Speaker 2>like a long he had a.

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<v Speaker 1>Run, I believe, but it was a touchdown pass late

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<v Speaker 1>in the game then that ended up winning it. He

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<v Speaker 1>was supplanted by someone else who I believe is on

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<v Speaker 1>your side of the equallitia here, which we'll talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>But Tate, FORCI had a bit of an edge to him,

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<v Speaker 1>seemed very dynamic as a freshman, and then sort of

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<v Speaker 1>fell off the face of the earth transferred a few times. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The other guys I have here Joel Stave, who is

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<v Speaker 1>forever in solid verbal lore, played forty four games for Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 1>but will be forever known, at least in the context

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<v Speaker 1>of our show for developing the yips back in twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Poor guy developed the yips. He was fine, nothing great,

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<v Speaker 2>but that really did resonate with you. So I have

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<v Speaker 2>Dinard Robinson because I went back recently randomly in thinking

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<v Speaker 2>in my brain, I want to remember how good Denard

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<v Speaker 2>Robinson am. I misremembering that Denard Robinson was super fun,

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<v Speaker 2>And I did not misremember him because he was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure Michigan fans have sort of mixed feelings that

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<v Speaker 2>are not probably totally his fault because of the coaching

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<v Speaker 2>change of going from Rich Rodriguez to Brady Hoak and

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<v Speaker 2>the alborgious offense and the complications from there, and he

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<v Speaker 2>ends up as sort of an all purpose weapon before

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<v Speaker 2>getting drafted. But damn was he fun. And I would

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<v Speaker 2>imagine the biggest compliment that you could pay somebody no

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<v Speaker 2>matter their position, no matter what team they're on. He'd

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<v Speaker 2>probably made a lot of bh's clench tie and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure yours was one of them. When Michigan played Notre

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<v Speaker 2>Dame that at any moment he was just gonna rip

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<v Speaker 2>off a seventy one yard run.

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<v Speaker 1>He never knew.

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<v Speaker 2>And you go back and watch the highlights, because I

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<v Speaker 2>think it was the under the lights game with the

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<v Speaker 2>big m the big Blockam Jersey. Sure he went crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>They were throwing RPOs pretty early on. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>crazy fun Michigan team, at least on offense. And I

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<v Speaker 2>would imagine Michigan fans now who are like, we need

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<v Speaker 2>to modernize this offense. You just show them the clips

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<v Speaker 2>of like the twenty ten, twenty eleven whatever Michigan team, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that'd be great, that'd be pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Collectively, between passing yardage and rushing slash receiving yardage, yeah,

0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.240
<v Speaker 1>he had over ten thousand total yards.

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<v Speaker 2>He's the best dual threat quarterback in Big ten history.

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<v Speaker 1>Just incredible, and you're right, every time he touched the

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<v Speaker 1>ball there was always that risk that he was going

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<v Speaker 1>to break one and score. Really a great example of

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<v Speaker 1>how one player in the college game can truly overtake

0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.520
<v Speaker 1>we overtake an opponent. He was incredible. You had to

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<v Speaker 1>count for him at all times. So it's a good

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<v Speaker 1>pick here.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm thrilled by the way that Don Pelham never

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<v Speaker 2>coached against him on like generating a third and seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>against Lenard Robinson. That is one of the great successes

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<v Speaker 2>of my Oregon faring number.

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<v Speaker 1>Having to see that other quarterbacks was sentimental value to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got Jimmy Heisman, obviously, Jimmy Clawson, who I

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<v Speaker 2>forgot about. So two thousand and nine he had a

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<v Speaker 2>really good year when they went six and six, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he was very good. That was a Golden Tate Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Floyd team.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe his two thousand and eight. The year before,

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<v Speaker 2>he had two of the absolute stinkerst games I've ever seen,

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston College game in the USC game, I think

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<v Speaker 2>he combined to throw six or seven picks. The USC

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<v Speaker 2>game was just abominable. And the fact that he came

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<v Speaker 2>back the next year and was really good with a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty bad team.

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<v Speaker 1>I admire that.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you look at my list, there are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of players who thrive despite things out of their

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<v Speaker 2>control going terribly wrong. And Jimmy Clawson, for all the

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<v Speaker 2>crap he took, finished his Notre Dame career in a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty pretty fun one, I would agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked at his stats recently, just for the hell

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<v Speaker 1>of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched the clips, I watched the film. He was good.

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<v Speaker 1>He was he was I like the next name on

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<v Speaker 1>your quarterback list here though, this is a good one

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<v Speaker 1>that I forgot about.

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<v Speaker 2>Team Magic, Team Magic, Taylor Martinez, who the case is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty clear he's the best modern Nebraska quarterback. We'll see

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<v Speaker 2>if the new Martinez is better Andrew Martinez, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>better than Tommy Armstrong. I would argue better than Tanner Lee,

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<v Speaker 2>no matter that the Manning passing Academy's success and there

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<v Speaker 2>was just an element. And this is just sentimental. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not saying that he is the best quarterback. He

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<v Speaker 2>was the best quarterback of his era. Nothing like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed the hell out of the best of Taylor Martinez,

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<v Speaker 2>shot put, javelin, throwing and all. He developed into a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good quarterback. He helped them to win a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of games. And he is the subject of one of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite hush hush conversations I had. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>this is betraying any trust our pal, old pal Mike Knebler.

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<v Speaker 2>When I visited, we did a shoot a video shoot

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<v Speaker 2>at Nebraska in twenty twelve. Yeah, I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve. He pulled me aside, like, this is sort

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<v Speaker 2>of off the record, but we're going to the option

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<v Speaker 2>next year. It's coming back. And it didn't come back

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<v Speaker 2>like they look like in the nineties. But Taylor Martinez

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<v Speaker 2>when he was healthy and feeling it was super fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I think his coming out game was against Kansas State

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<v Speaker 2>and he ran for like two hundred and some odd yards,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was just something pretty great about Nebraska fans

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<v Speaker 2>out of nowhere working themselves into a frenzy over Team Magic,

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<v Speaker 2>and I celebrate.

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<v Speaker 1>That also goes into that same category as Dinard Robinson

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<v Speaker 1>with over ten thousand yards if you kept up passing

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<v Speaker 1>and rushing slash receiving. So a very very bright career

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<v Speaker 1>for Team Magic and Nebraska. I remember talking about him

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<v Speaker 1>many times. Let's move on to running back. So here

0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:54.000
<v Speaker 1>here's what's interesting about the running back position. We both

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<v Speaker 1>have a variety of names, yeah that I think we

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about here. But isn't it true that

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<v Speaker 1>we could do a full episode just talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>running back room at USC over the years. Yeah, guys

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<v Speaker 1>that fall into this sentimental like Alan Bradford, uh Mark Tile,

0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.320
<v Speaker 1>guys like there are so many of them, Yeah, Joe

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<v Speaker 1>McKnight rest in peace.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. CJ. Gable Yeah, CJ. Gable, Yeah, Chauncey Washington. There

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<v Speaker 2>are three to five USC players and the big room

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<v Speaker 2>was like two thousand and seven, so it's just before

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<v Speaker 2>our show started. But tangentially, if we want to go here,

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<v Speaker 2>there are whether it was Herschel Dennis or Desmond Reid

0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:39.200
<v Speaker 2>or Jeff Byers, guys they were like, were you recruited

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineties, were you offered a scholarship via compu serve?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gods great?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so yes, we could do an entire show on

0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:54.320
<v Speaker 2>just ridiculous rooms across college football. And that room comes

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<v Speaker 2>from there were eleven blue chip players. All right, I've

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<v Speaker 2>got Mikael Lashure. Oh my gosh, mckl Lashore from Illinois.

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<v Speaker 2>There are He is not the last Illinois player we

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<v Speaker 2>will listen, No, not even the second to last.

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<v Speaker 1>No, MIKEL. Lashore. He had almost seventeen hundred yards as

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<v Speaker 1>a junior, and then he left early, got drafted in

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<v Speaker 1>the second round by the Lions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think it was good for a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>He was good for one year. Oh, okay, got over

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred carries his first year, very promising. Played three

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<v Speaker 1>games the next season for a total of nine yards

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<v Speaker 1>in NFL play and they never played a game. We

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<v Speaker 1>had that one year at Illinois that really vaulted his status.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten Lashore. Yeah, Mikela Shore. And by the way, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a disclaimer and this has nothing to do with

0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:51.320
<v Speaker 2>mikel Lashore. But we may name a player or four

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<v Speaker 2>players who have gone on to do shady or horrendous

0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.760
<v Speaker 2>things after they played college football. We did not research.

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<v Speaker 2>So if let's say Joel Stave has defrauded a series

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<v Speaker 2>of preschools or something, we did not do any research,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we were strictly talking about sentimental value about

0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.040
<v Speaker 2>what these players did on the field and nothing else.

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<v Speaker 1>Some other names here very quickly, Fitzgerald Toussaint from US

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<v Speaker 1>Oh fits fits Toussaint.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a run of Michigan receivers that you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>he's pretty good. I don't think I'm ever going to

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<v Speaker 2>see him again, but he's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>I also have Jeremy Gallen on my list. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Ring a little bit, five foot one, tons of fun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Lake Seastrunk, your boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, bounce it outside.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasn't he the one that helped get Chip Kelly in trouble?

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<v Speaker 2>No comment, Tye, no comment. It was he didn't help,

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, his recruitment was the subject of an investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, Lake Seastrunk, who I still maintain one of

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<v Speaker 2>the most underrated high school film whatever tapes. And he

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<v Speaker 2>played in Texas and his speed was unbelievable coming out

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<v Speaker 2>of high school. He was a five star, but it

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<v Speaker 2>seemed very shady because all sorts of schools suddenly backed

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<v Speaker 2>off him near the end of his recruitment, and Oregon

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<v Speaker 2>was like, well, I guess we'll take him.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That's the good stuff right there. Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the other name here that I have on

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<v Speaker 1>this list, and I think, for my money, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the best name, best random name that we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about here. Zach Zwinnak. Oh my god, I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Zach Frickin' Zwinnac from Penn State. M hm. He was

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<v Speaker 1>the guy, like the the guy for Bill O'Brien over

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<v Speaker 1>that very short tenure he had at Penn State when

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<v Speaker 1>everyone was fleeing Penn State because of the scandal and

0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:53.080
<v Speaker 1>they had very few scholarship players. He was one half

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<v Speaker 1>of that vaunted zwinn act Bill Belton combo that they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about. I'm sure in perpetuity rushed for

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<v Speaker 1>I think a thousand yards or close to a thousand

0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.040
<v Speaker 1>yards both seasons that he got the bulk of the

0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:12.280
<v Speaker 1>carries and really truly was the guy for Bill O'Brien

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<v Speaker 1>for two years.

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<v Speaker 2>That was Hack's freshman year, right, he started as a

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<v Speaker 2>true freshman, yes, correct, and was good. So in retrospect,

0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Brien, pretty good coach, pretty good college coach. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that class, it was a smaller recruiting class, but

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good because you're going to see playing time early on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Belton, Zach's Winnak. Yeah, there was something about some

0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.840
<v Speaker 2>of that team where you're like, yeah, my cousin Za's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good if you want him to start.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's what I was going to say. For sentimental

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<v Speaker 1>value and for randoms that played college football, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to go mining, go look at that twenty twelve

0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:55.720
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen span for Penn State football. You'll find a

0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Mike Zordich here in there. Guys like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Still, yeah, I still remember a Davy Jones story after

0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Bill O'Brien left, where like Bill O'Brien called him on

0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:08.480
<v Speaker 2>the phone and was likesh, I'm dealing with a lot here.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot. I'm whoa this is not?

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<v Speaker 1>And those were the Evan Schwan years at Penn States.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes for running back on my just all sentimental

0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:24.760
<v Speaker 2>team I lost Letterman squad. I have Kadeem Carry, who

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<v Speaker 2>anchored who I believe did get in trouble. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>strictly talking about my sentimental value for what he did

0:21:30.280 --> 0:21:35.280
<v Speaker 2>on the field, what he did on the just such

0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:40.679
<v Speaker 2>a hipster twenty thirteen Arizona Wildcat squad with BJ Danker.

0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:45.160
<v Speaker 2>It was the hipster ass West Virginia Pat White, Steve

0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.679
<v Speaker 2>Slayton backfield with Kadem Kerry and BJ Danker, who I

0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:52.240
<v Speaker 2>think Kadeem Carry went for about four thousand yards in

0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:55.439
<v Speaker 2>two years. BJ Danker almost rushed for one thousand. In

0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:58.159
<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen. They beat a really good Oregon team that

0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:03.600
<v Speaker 2>year in Tucson, and he was so good. He was

0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:06.240
<v Speaker 2>arguably the best running back in the country, and he

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of faded. I think he was drafted in

0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:10.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, a mid round to like the Bears or

0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:12.880
<v Speaker 2>something and never did anything. But both I have him

0:22:12.920 --> 0:22:15.840
<v Speaker 2>and I have David Wilson, who had one extraordinary year

0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:19.520
<v Speaker 2>for Virginia Tech man and that makes me happy because

0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I've watched recent Virginia Tech offenses and it's nice to

0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:24.520
<v Speaker 2>go back to a time where they could run the

0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:27.560
<v Speaker 2>ball and he was a great all purpose weapon and

0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:30.960
<v Speaker 2>he did backflips. And it's a little personal to me

0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:34.120
<v Speaker 2>because I met him. I interviewed him and was super nice,

0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:36.359
<v Speaker 2>did a really fun interview with him, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>I think he medically retired after like a year in

0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:42.080
<v Speaker 2>the NFL. He had remembering the good times. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like a vertebrae.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that he had something crazy

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<v Speaker 1>like eighteen nineteen hundred yards from scrimmage. He was your

0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.800
<v Speaker 1>year and the Giants drafted him. He was first round. Yeah.

0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:56.920
<v Speaker 1>He was great in college and had the injury and

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't able to play.

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<v Speaker 2>So that still resonates with me. Okay, let's go receiver.

0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Okay, why don't you start with receiver?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So this is on my sentimental team, and

0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 2>these are the best compliments I can offer to, especially

0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:13.480
<v Speaker 2>a receiver where you're in such you're in so little

0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:16.840
<v Speaker 2>control of your actual success. It's so quarterback and blocking

0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:20.840
<v Speaker 2>and you know, dB dependent. But the three of my guys,

0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:24.720
<v Speaker 2>this is my like memorial Eric Decker Award for being

0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:26.560
<v Speaker 2>on not so good and just getting open and being

0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:29.920
<v Speaker 2>an entire offense. Aj Jenkins for Illinois, Yeah, another Ali,

0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:33.479
<v Speaker 2>and I I think his quarterback was Nathan sielhouse Man

0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.920
<v Speaker 2>and that he was the offense. He was that offense.

0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Jared aberderis who I think early had Russell Wilson and

0:23:41.680 --> 0:23:45.520
<v Speaker 2>then it got kind of rough quarterback for Wisconsin, but

0:23:45.600 --> 0:23:48.360
<v Speaker 2>he was alongside Nicktoon and they were both very very good.

0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:52.600
<v Speaker 2>He could definitely have gotten Nicktoon. I went back and forth.

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<v Speaker 2>My third pick is my favorite just in terms of sentimentality,

0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:59.240
<v Speaker 2>and you know it must be because it's a receiver

0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:02.600
<v Speaker 2>from Oregon State eight. And this is similar to my

0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:07.280
<v Speaker 2>feeling or my comparison for you about clenching that BH

0:24:07.280 --> 0:24:10.840
<v Speaker 2>with Denard Robinson, James Rogers. And I know Quiz gets

0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:14.399
<v Speaker 2>probably more attention because of his size and just you

0:24:14.440 --> 0:24:17.080
<v Speaker 2>know the huge game he had against USC, but James

0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Rogers running the fly sweep and then just un guardable.

0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:24.640
<v Speaker 2>There are certain receivers you look at and like, if

0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:29.480
<v Speaker 2>I put Julio Jones or al Sean Jeffrey or Calvin Ridley, know,

0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:32.320
<v Speaker 2>all of these guys who are just Adonis's in front

0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:34.520
<v Speaker 2>of you, and said, these guys are here's a spoiler,

0:24:34.640 --> 0:24:36.160
<v Speaker 2>You're not gonna be able to guard him. You're like, yeah,

0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:39.399
<v Speaker 2>I get that. Uh huh, yep, I totally agree. You

0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:41.080
<v Speaker 2>put James Rogers in front of You're like, hey, we'll

0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:44.639
<v Speaker 2>figure something out, and you couldn't. James Rogers was that

0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:48.119
<v Speaker 2>good and that automatic, and I loved watching him and

0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:50.840
<v Speaker 2>it made me feel terrible because he went to Oregon

0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:53.360
<v Speaker 2>State and he would kill Oregon each year.

0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:56.080
<v Speaker 1>He was so good. A good return man too.

0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, he was terrifying.

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:03.160
<v Speaker 1>All right, who do you have? I've got Aurelius Ben

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:08.400
<v Speaker 1>while we're doing while we're doing the Illinois thing. Yeah,

0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 1>here's what's interesting about Arelias Ben. I feel like a

0:25:12.000 --> 0:25:13.800
<v Speaker 1>lot of people know him. A lot of people know

0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:14.480
<v Speaker 1>the name.

0:25:15.760 --> 0:25:18.080
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, five star yep.

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:23.720
<v Speaker 1>After he had a breakout sophomore year. He had like

0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:26.840
<v Speaker 1>a thousand yards a sophomore year. If you look over

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:30.439
<v Speaker 1>the totality of his college career, he only had he

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 1>played three years and left early. He only had seven

0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:37.960
<v Speaker 1>receiving touchdowns in three years. Okay, all right, so it

0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:40.280
<v Speaker 1>wasn't like a Justin Blackman kind of season where he's

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:45.240
<v Speaker 1>got a million touchdowns seven total over the span of

0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:48.359
<v Speaker 1>three years. He was drafted, I think in the second

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:52.560
<v Speaker 1>round by the Bucks, had like kind of immediately right, Yeah,

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:56.399
<v Speaker 1>had around one thousand yards over the entire span of

0:25:56.400 --> 0:25:58.600
<v Speaker 1>his NFL career and sort of flamed out. But Arelli

0:25:58.640 --> 0:26:02.200
<v Speaker 1>has Ben had that season, went to the It wasn't

0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:04.280
<v Speaker 1>the same season that Illinois went to the Rose Bowl

0:26:05.000 --> 0:26:07.959
<v Speaker 1>with Juce Williams because that was the year before we

0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:10.399
<v Speaker 1>started doing our podcast in like two thousand and seven,

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:14.160
<v Speaker 1>but he had that experience. He built on that experience

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:16.560
<v Speaker 1>the next year, had over a thousand yards in his

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:19.400
<v Speaker 1>sophomore year, then left early after his junior campaign, got

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.639
<v Speaker 1>drafted and then didn't really work out. But Aurelius Ben

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 1>is a name that still holds very much sentimental value

0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 1>for me. Also on that list, I mentioned Jeremy Gallon.

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:30.440
<v Speaker 1>We won't go back into it. He does fall into

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:33.760
<v Speaker 1>that category of Michigan receivers that you know by name,

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:37.280
<v Speaker 1>but he knew in the moment that maybe we won't

0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:39.159
<v Speaker 1>see them on Sundays. They're just fun to.

0:26:39.160 --> 0:26:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Watch little Rowntree action.

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 1>I considered Roy Rowntree as well. Absolutely, I have Derick

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Rodgers on this list. Ah, great transfer. Derick Rodgers had

0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:55.080
<v Speaker 1>some issues at Tennessee ended up transferring to Tennessee Tech.

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:57.359
<v Speaker 1>I just like the fact that his name was Derick.

0:26:57.480 --> 0:26:58.080
<v Speaker 1>We always got to.

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:00.919
<v Speaker 2>Kick out of that doing the shade played at Oddston

0:27:00.960 --> 0:27:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Stadium Tennessee Tech and then made it to the NFL

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:05.120
<v Speaker 2>for a little bit.

0:27:06.040 --> 0:27:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Totally good. Pick some other names here on my list.

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:11.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised you didn't include Josh Huff.

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:14.399
<v Speaker 2>You know, I didn't want to go too heavy Oregon

0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:17.119
<v Speaker 2>because we've got a couple here, and I don't know.

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:19.880
<v Speaker 2>You took one, maybe two Notre Dame players.

0:27:20.040 --> 0:27:20.440
<v Speaker 1>I love.

0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:23.320
<v Speaker 2>There's Josh Huff, Jeff Mail, There's all sorts of players

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 2>in that those wide out cores.

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:28.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm also throwing Marvin McNutt in there. I think he

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:33.399
<v Speaker 1>might be my number one. Marvin McNutt over DJK yeah, okay,

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:35.719
<v Speaker 1>had a cup of coffee, I believe with the NFL

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 1>played a little bit here and there.

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:40.600
<v Speaker 2>So he was drafted in twenty twelve. So who were

0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 2>his quarterbacks at Iowa. Let's see, two thousand they had DJK.

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:49.240
<v Speaker 2>That was a good duo. In two thousand and eight

0:27:50.080 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 2>he had Ricky Stansey.

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh, love it or leave it. In two thousand and

0:27:55.040 --> 0:28:02.600
<v Speaker 1>nine he had Ricky Stanzy. Yeah. In ten he had

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:03.360
<v Speaker 1>Ricky Stanzy.

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:05.919
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that was that was totally decent. That's an

0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 2>NFL quarterback.

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:12.920
<v Speaker 1>And in twenty eleven James Vandenburg. All right, so Ricky

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Stansy was an NFL quarterback. All right, Before we go

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<v Speaker 1>Are there any names with sentimental value to you along

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the lines?

0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 2>So along the offensive line, I have one name, and

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:33.000
<v Speaker 2>this is one of my Oregon names. It's Kyle Long,

0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 2>who Yes, he's a first round pick, he's still in

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:39.400
<v Speaker 2>the NFL, but he was not a longtime college name.

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:41.320
<v Speaker 2>He played one year of college football. I think you

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 2>started playing college baseball and got in trouble and went

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 2>JUCO and ended up at Oregon. He was a backup

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:50.360
<v Speaker 2>at Oregon during his one season and into like November,

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 2>and this still resonates with me. They're like, well, he's

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 2>come along, he's learned the playbook, he has a good understanding,

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 2>and I guess we're gonna start him against USC on

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:03.480
<v Speaker 2>the road. At USC, smash cut to ken Yon Barner

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 2>running for three hundred and twenty one yards behind Kyle Long,

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:10.440
<v Speaker 2>and it made me so happy, so so so so.

0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:14.600
<v Speaker 2>It was Marcus Mariot's freshman year, and I think they

0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.720
<v Speaker 2>petitioned to get him another year. It didn't work, and

0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 2>so his fallback plan was getting drafted in the first round.

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.960
<v Speaker 2>And Kyle Long probably would have been like a blue chip,

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 2>five star offensive lineman had he chosen football over baseball.

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:30.959
<v Speaker 2>He grew up and I want to say Charlottesville, think

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 2>that's where the Long family resides. But I remember that

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 2>early on, hearing just from people at Oregon practice, players

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 2>and coaches and people who just happened to be like,

0:32:42.040 --> 0:32:44.959
<v Speaker 2>he's a different kind of guy. He's a different guy.

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:46.600
<v Speaker 2>So he's going to start and he's going to be

0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:49.120
<v Speaker 2>the best guy that there is. And so that became

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 2>really apparent that first game starting. And so I held

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 2>a soft spot from two twenty thousand, twenty thousand, I

0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 2>held a soft spot from twenty twelve.

0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't have an offensive woman, but I do a

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 1>defensive lineman.

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 2>I know you disrespect large men.

0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 1>Remember a gentleman by the name of Jackson Jeffcoat. What

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:08.640
<v Speaker 1>about Jeff Schwartz.

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 2>I guess he was oh seven was his final year

0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Jackson Jeffcoat, Dan Jackson Jeffcoat.

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:20.959
<v Speaker 1>He was the number one strong side defensive end in

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>the twenty ten recruiting class. He's Canadian born.

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Mm hm. He got to be really good.

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:33.040
<v Speaker 1>He played at the University of Texas and didn't really

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 1>go on to that renown of a pro career, but

0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 1>came in with a certain amount of acclaim. And uh,

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I was always enamored with the name. You know, now,

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.960
<v Speaker 1>it's the name of a Billions character. Almost there's a

0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>character on Billions named Jock Jeffcoat, and I always think

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 1>of Jackson Jeffcoat. Jackson Jeffcoat played at Tennessee. No, Jackson

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Jeffco played at Texas. The name forever sticks with me.

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 1>This was right in the early part of our solid

0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 1>verbal rise to glory here on the podcast, Jackson jeffcot.

0:34:12.719 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 2>You know what I really liked about not just Jackson Jeffcote,

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of players from this Texas era. It

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:24.239
<v Speaker 2>was like the Forgotten era. It was all these players,

0:34:24.320 --> 0:34:27.719
<v Speaker 2>seeing Vince Young and then Colt McCoy and those incredible

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 2>secondaries and running backs, whoever, this Texas team is just

0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 2>going to be a never ending dynasty. And then like

0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 2>it's the actual Jackson Jeffcoat era. Right, it's like twenty

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 2>ten to twenty thirteen. That's the end of Mac Brown

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 2>at Texas. That's the well, is he going to turn

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:45.439
<v Speaker 2>around this year?

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:47.720
<v Speaker 1>No? Is he gonna turn around this year? No?

0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:54.360
<v Speaker 2>And like it's the hush hush, what forgotten era of Texas.

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'm trying to think who else we're on? God,

0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 2>it was I'm looking through here. This is Jack and Shipley,

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Marquise Goodwin, Fozzy Whittaker. You got David ash in there

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 2>until he got hurt. There's you have I think two

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Malcolm Brown's right on both sides of the ball. You

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 2>have DJ Monroe, Joe bergeron who like really flashed for

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:23.279
<v Speaker 2>a while, Jonathan Gray so, Daja Johnson. Oh my god,

0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 2>these names. So this was like that forgotten era and

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:28.359
<v Speaker 2>every team has this era. And you know what, whether

0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 2>it was like as things went downhill for Notre Dame

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 2>or the end of you know, uh, Mark Helfrich at

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Oregon and even the end of Pete Carroll at USC

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:40.239
<v Speaker 2>You're like, oh, yeah that guy, huh yeah, I just

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 2>went to a rose ball.

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 1>That's it.

0:35:41.719 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 2>So I love that that, you know, Jackson Jeff quot

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:47.200
<v Speaker 2>was still able to shine through some some turbulent times.

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Let's go over to linebacker.

0:35:49.160 --> 0:35:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Now, yeah, well I didn't give my defensive lineman. Oh please,

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 2>I'll go through these quickly because I love a good

0:35:55.800 --> 0:36:00.239
<v Speaker 2>unorthodox ly not a word sized defensive lineman. You look

0:36:00.239 --> 0:36:03.680
<v Speaker 2>at LSU and you're like, man, both of their defensive

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 2>tackles are six five three thirty great. Both of their

0:36:07.600 --> 0:36:12.359
<v Speaker 2>ends are six four two seventy five, exactly what you want.

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:15.520
<v Speaker 2>I love it when they're like so. I have listed

0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 2>on here every undersized defensive end from TCU. Ever, Jerry Hughes,

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:23.480
<v Speaker 2>who is pre Fantasy Things. Ye did you know Jerry

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:26.720
<v Speaker 2>Hughes used to be a running back pre Fantasy Things

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:30.759
<v Speaker 2>all star if it had existed. But Stansley Mapunga, DeVante

0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Fields who did get into a bunch of trouble, and

0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Paul Dawson, all these guys were like they just looked

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:40.400
<v Speaker 2>like they were like, oh, he's built kind of solidly,

0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:44.279
<v Speaker 2>but like if he were working a construction site or

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:47.719
<v Speaker 2>at an office. They're all six two two forty and

0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 2>we're all amazing. They were all incredible. I also have

0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:55.439
<v Speaker 2>down here unorthodoxally sized Mount Cody, Yeah for Alabama, who

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:58.480
<v Speaker 2>blocked a game winning kick and at five hundred and

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:02.840
<v Speaker 2>seventy three pounds, why not. And just a personal favorite

0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:06.759
<v Speaker 2>because it seemed like he memorized snap counts in a

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 2>way that was like ingrained in his head. Hercules mataafa

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:15.000
<v Speaker 2>for wazoo. Great, Like, that's a six two two forty

0:37:15.040 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 2>five defensive tackle who just sliced through every offensive line.

0:37:18.600 --> 0:37:21.640
<v Speaker 1>I loved him, all right, let's move to linebacker. I'm

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.920
<v Speaker 1>partial to two guys here, I'm right. First off, a

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:31.040
<v Speaker 1>gentleman we actually had on the program. Mm hmm. Aaron Curry. Yeah,

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:35.840
<v Speaker 1>formerly the fourth overall pick out of Wake Forest, was

0:37:35.880 --> 0:37:38.279
<v Speaker 1>picked by the Seahawks in the two thousand and nine

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 1>NFL draft. Was a big deal coming out of college.

0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Didn't really live up to the hype, right, But we

0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:49.480
<v Speaker 1>had him on the program, and I was always partial

0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:51.880
<v Speaker 1>to him. The one thing I remember, you could probably

0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 1>go back and find the show if it hasn't been deleted.

0:37:54.400 --> 0:37:56.279
<v Speaker 1>When we talked to him, we said to him, what

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>are you gonna do with your money? What are you

0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:01.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna do with your with your first paycheck? And he

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:05.240
<v Speaker 1>talked about how he wanted to buy and I forget

0:38:05.280 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 1>the breed, but some breed of dog that was very

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 1>rare might have been silver and had it was a

0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:18.320
<v Speaker 1>husky ish something blue Allions or silver eyes, right, something

0:38:18.360 --> 0:38:20.280
<v Speaker 1>akin to that. So I hope he got his puppy,

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:24.040
<v Speaker 1>and I hope he's doing well. May not have worked

0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:26.320
<v Speaker 1>out in the pro game, but was an absolute force

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 1>at Wake Forest.

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 2>He was a total force.

0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 1>And then the other one here is Joe Schmidt. Oh,

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 1>I love that call. Joe Schmidt to me feels like

0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:41.720
<v Speaker 1>one of the ultimates of this list. Joe Schmidt, former

0:38:41.760 --> 0:38:46.839
<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame linebacker, undersized walk on had a lot of

0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:49.680
<v Speaker 1>feel good qualities to him and his play.

0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:52.279
<v Speaker 2>Five foot nothing, one hundred and nothing was.

0:38:52.480 --> 0:38:55.719
<v Speaker 1>Very, very bright on the football field. Maybe not the

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:59.360
<v Speaker 1>most athletically sound, but certainly plug the hole up the

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:04.279
<v Speaker 1>middle and was limited but very effective in his own way.

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Was he there at the same time as Jalen Smith?

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:09.880
<v Speaker 2>He was, Yeah, So that was like a nice dichotomy

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:12.120
<v Speaker 2>because Jalen Smith was everywhere. Jalen Smith was arguably the

0:39:12.160 --> 0:39:14.799
<v Speaker 2>best linebacker in the country. And then you next to him,

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 2>you have what are we gonna use, gritty Wes Welker type, ye,

0:39:18.200 --> 0:39:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Joe Schmidt. Yeah, No, that was good. That was a

0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:22.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, Notre Dame recently has done really well with linebacker.

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 1>It was a very good tandem. But what I will

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:28.960
<v Speaker 1>never forget about Joe Schmidt, And maybe it was because

0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:32.520
<v Speaker 1>you could see the contrast between him and Jalen Smith

0:39:32.560 --> 0:39:34.520
<v Speaker 1>on the field because they were playing on the same team,

0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 1>same side of the ball, every play, right next to

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 1>each other. Joe Schmidt is one of the only players

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:44.440
<v Speaker 1>that I can remember watching the game and listening to

0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:48.719
<v Speaker 1>the commentators pretty much talk openly like he's not going

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:53.680
<v Speaker 1>to play in the NFL, like, yeah, he's good enough

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:57.399
<v Speaker 1>for this team, but like he's going to be going

0:39:57.440 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 1>pro in something other than sports. And the degree to

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:04.120
<v Speaker 1>which the commentators who are just open about this fact

0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:08.240
<v Speaker 1>always blew me away is like, does Joe Schmidt find

0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 1>this disrespectful that they're talking about him like this? He's

0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:12.839
<v Speaker 1>having a pretty good year.

0:40:13.120 --> 0:40:15.760
<v Speaker 2>There's also a Joe Schmidt who played linebacker for Pitt

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:18.040
<v Speaker 2>in the like fifties.

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Uh so there's that.

0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Soh My linebacking crew is all over the place, but

0:40:25.200 --> 0:40:25.799
<v Speaker 2>I love it.

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:27.520
<v Speaker 1>So I've got Scooby right.

0:40:27.440 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Obviously, good one, good one who piled up tackles like

0:40:31.239 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 2>he was paid a dollar a tackle, like they would

0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:38.120
<v Speaker 2>pay you for Neutria in Louisiana. To help get you

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:41.960
<v Speaker 2>through the winter. Scooby was just everywhere and just piled

0:40:42.000 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 2>it up, put up every stat but was a Heisman finalist.

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:46.120
<v Speaker 2>So I feel a little bad putting him in as

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:49.480
<v Speaker 2>a sentimental favorite, but he absolutely was because he didn't

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:51.920
<v Speaker 2>do much. I think he was on an AAF squad.

0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Ray maul Luga, who was a total blue chipper and

0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:58.800
<v Speaker 2>had an NFL career and maybe still is in the NFL.

0:40:58.840 --> 0:41:02.239
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea, but when he came in, I

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:05.600
<v Speaker 2>mean the USC linebacking crew. I keep saying cru but

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:10.319
<v Speaker 2>linebacking corp whatever is one of the most talented. When

0:41:10.360 --> 0:41:12.799
<v Speaker 2>you look at like the height of the Pete Carroll era,

0:41:13.080 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 2>with Brian Cushing and Keith Rivers, all these guys and

0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Raymond Lugu. When he came in, You're like, I think

0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:21.520
<v Speaker 2>he wants to kill somebody, and he was there. I

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 2>want to say he overlapped with Vontez Berfect, but I'm

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 2>not positive who was actually on my act All All team.

0:41:27.080 --> 0:41:33.760
<v Speaker 2>But that huge hit against UCLA is one of five

0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 2>six times where I was watching a game You're like,

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:40.759
<v Speaker 2>what just happened? Is that guy all right? Is that

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 2>guy Spleen in the seventeenth Row and he was just

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:48.440
<v Speaker 2>ridiculous to watch. And then my third guy is Kenhrell Brothers,

0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:51.920
<v Speaker 2>who this fits a very specific mold for me. He

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:54.320
<v Speaker 2>was at Miszoo twenty fifteen. He like one hundred and

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:59.319
<v Speaker 2>fifty plus tackles. He was arguably the best player on

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:02.760
<v Speaker 2>a defense that had to do everything for this family.

0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 2>It was such a bad offense that Miszoo's defense is there. Again,

0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:11.480
<v Speaker 2>we've talked about great half teams. There is an argument

0:42:11.520 --> 0:42:13.640
<v Speaker 2>to be made, and it would be the saddest argument

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 2>to spend any more time on twenty fifteen Mazoo that

0:42:16.640 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 2>that defense was the best defense on a terrible, terrible

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:24.279
<v Speaker 2>team that had to deal with a terrible offen Ken

0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Trell Brothers, I think he's a backup in the NFL.

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:31.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure, but he was everywhere. I loved him.

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:35.720
<v Speaker 1>We actually have some overlap. What do we have defensive

0:42:35.760 --> 0:42:38.600
<v Speaker 1>back position? I didn't know this. Oh yeah, I saw this.

0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:44.359
<v Speaker 1>We both have Zach Sanchez Zack Sanchez. Zack Sanchez had

0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:48.239
<v Speaker 1>a run st Oklahoma right yep, where he was just

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:52.320
<v Speaker 1>incredible at finding the football, at picking off the football

0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:56.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't amount to much as an NFL player. That's okay,

0:42:57.080 --> 0:43:00.800
<v Speaker 1>but incredible run as a defensive back.

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 2>For the Sooners makes me feel sentimental. For a time

0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 2>when Oklahoma occasionally stopped people throwing the ball, and Zack

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Sanchez was one of the reasons they did that. They

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:16.880
<v Speaker 2>had a couple good linebackers in there. They struggled post venables,

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:19.680
<v Speaker 2>I would say, but Zack Sanchez a lot of the

0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:23.040
<v Speaker 2>time was a bright spot. So we have that soft

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:24.640
<v Speaker 2>spot for Zack Sohnchek.

0:43:24.680 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 1>We had a ton of fun talking about Zack Sanchez

0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:30.960
<v Speaker 1>and especially doing that accent. But just looking over his

0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:37.439
<v Speaker 1>college career, he had fifteen interceptions in three years, which

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:41.000
<v Speaker 1>is incredible, six and seven his final two seasons at Oklahoma.

0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 1>They could use a lot more of that. Right now,

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Zack Sanchez has any eligibility and wants to come back.

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.279
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes that means if you were throwing at a

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:52.759
<v Speaker 2>corner more that maybe he's not as good as the

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:54.479
<v Speaker 2>guy on the opposite side of the field, and that's

0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:57.960
<v Speaker 2>it could be true. But if Zack Snchez is pulling

0:43:58.040 --> 0:44:00.719
<v Speaker 2>down picks, then he's doing what he supposed to. So

0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:01.839
<v Speaker 2>I like that.

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:05.000
<v Speaker 1>You have a couple other heirs. Here's a couple others

0:44:05.040 --> 0:44:08.360
<v Speaker 1>here yeah, I got Crazy Carl Joseph, who's still actually

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I think in the league. But Karl Joseph from West Virginia.

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:15.759
<v Speaker 1>We called him Crazy Carl because he was just like

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:20.160
<v Speaker 1>a torpedo coming down from the strong safety position. I've

0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 1>also got here the Darren Walls slash Gary Gray mm hmm,

0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:29.960
<v Speaker 1>blended era at Notre Dame. There was some overlap there

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:32.799
<v Speaker 1>between the two. Darren Walls came in and was a

0:44:33.000 --> 0:44:37.120
<v Speaker 1>very highly regarded cornerback prospect, didn't quite amount to the

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:40.399
<v Speaker 1>hype once they got it out there wasn't bad, wasn't

0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Gary Gray bad. But Darren Walls was one of the

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.839
<v Speaker 1>first cornerbacks that I can remember in an era where

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame needed cornerbacks where they actually went out and

0:44:49.960 --> 0:44:51.840
<v Speaker 1>got one, and he came in with a hype. Didn't

0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:54.719
<v Speaker 1>quite pan out, but whatever. And then the Gary Gray thing.

0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:57.480
<v Speaker 1>I put Gary Gray on this list because in the

0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:02.240
<v Speaker 1>early part of our podcast I I made all sorts

0:45:02.280 --> 0:45:05.640
<v Speaker 1>of hay making fun of Gary Gray. Okay, not a

0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 1>very good cornerback, but still saw a ton of playing

0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:09.600
<v Speaker 1>time because Notre Dame all on the whole was not

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:10.799
<v Speaker 1>very good at cornerback either.

0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 2>And then it was what year are we talking about?

0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:18.000
<v Speaker 1>So this is like right as the podcast is starting up.

0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:19.839
<v Speaker 2>Darren Wallas oh nine to ten.

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, finished his college career in twenty ten, and Gary

0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Gray was shortly thereafter.

0:45:25.560 --> 0:45:29.560
<v Speaker 2>He is currently the defensive coordinator at Baldwin High in Pittsburgh. Yep,

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:33.280
<v Speaker 2>I assume named after Jonathan Baldwin. That would be weird.

0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Who is the note? I liked a Notre Dame corner.

0:45:36.040 --> 0:45:37.440
<v Speaker 1>This is weird to say out loud.

0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:41.359
<v Speaker 2>But it was like thirteen fourteen, fifteen somewhere in the Russell.

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was good.

0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:45.000
<v Speaker 2>He was good. They've gotten really good at corner, my

0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 2>other corner other than zax heres Is. I mean, how

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 2>do you not love Cliff Harris at what he did

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:53.120
<v Speaker 2>on the field. Has had a rough go of it after.

0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:56.840
<v Speaker 2>But the rumor is the story is he showed up

0:45:56.880 --> 0:46:00.000
<v Speaker 2>at Oregon and when freshmen were introducing themselves to the team,

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:02.080
<v Speaker 2>he said, my name is Cliff Harris and I'm here

0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:04.839
<v Speaker 2>to lock shit down and then just sat down and

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 2>totally backed it up. I still claim he had that

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:10.480
<v Speaker 2>pick against Auburn in the National Championship game that they

0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:13.319
<v Speaker 2>ruled he was out of bounds. He had one of

0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:18.120
<v Speaker 2>my just most viscerally enjoyable picks. It was that Tennessee

0:46:18.160 --> 0:46:20.560
<v Speaker 2>game that if you remember, there was lightning the delay

0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:25.480
<v Speaker 2>and Matt Simms, bless his heart, decided to throw clear

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:29.000
<v Speaker 2>across his body across the field and Cliff Harris took

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:32.080
<v Speaker 2>it back for eighty and six and it was just

0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 2>so wonderful. So, Cliff Harris, you were great and I

0:46:36.640 --> 0:46:37.759
<v Speaker 2>miss you so.

0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:41.760
<v Speaker 1>On the heels of talking about Zack Sanchez and drawing

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:47.400
<v Speaker 1>drawing loose reference to our favorite John Miller fake Spanish accent, yes,

0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I want to talk a little bit about Drew Alamon,

0:46:52.400 --> 0:46:57.320
<v Speaker 1>the kicker former kicker for LSU who Vern Lunquist seemingly

0:46:57.360 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 1>invented a fake French accent to described during CBS broadcasts

0:47:02.120 --> 0:47:03.759
<v Speaker 1>back in the day.

0:47:04.160 --> 0:47:10.120
<v Speaker 2>That sounds familiar, Drew Lmo Lemo. Yeah, I'm sorry you

0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:13.080
<v Speaker 2>didn't go with Brad Wing here, but you know that's

0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:15.080
<v Speaker 2>too obvious. He was so good.

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean he's playing in the NFL now, and.

0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:20.319
<v Speaker 2>He's still in the NFL, but you know, for a

0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:23.600
<v Speaker 2>punter on a fake punt to get an unsportsmanlike conduct

0:47:23.600 --> 0:47:26.440
<v Speaker 2>penalty as he runs in a touchdown on a fake punt. Oh,

0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:29.640
<v Speaker 2>it's wonderful. I have Alex Henry, who was also excellent.

0:47:29.719 --> 0:47:32.880
<v Speaker 2>This is not underrated Nebraska, but for Nebraska, I think

0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:35.360
<v Speaker 2>he's still their all time points leader, and I just

0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:39.560
<v Speaker 2>I still remember him. There's something about a kicker who

0:47:39.640 --> 0:47:42.880
<v Speaker 2>doesn't just make field goals, but you get the announcer

0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:46.879
<v Speaker 2>saying that would have been good from seventy and he

0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:50.920
<v Speaker 2>was putting deep field goals in ten yards above the

0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:54.880
<v Speaker 2>crossbar and just had an absolute boot and could not

0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:58.319
<v Speaker 2>have enjoyed his career more. I just, yeah, I was

0:47:58.400 --> 0:47:59.959
<v Speaker 2>jealous watching him in Nebraska.

0:48:04.200 --> 0:48:08.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna read through this list of sentimental favorites. Yes

0:48:08.120 --> 0:48:10.200
<v Speaker 1>on my end, on your end, we've got casual dress,

0:48:10.320 --> 0:48:13.600
<v Speaker 1>James Franklin, Tate Forcier, Joel Stave. I don't know if

0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:16.560
<v Speaker 1>I had time to mention Riley Skinner. Great name, Yeah,

0:48:16.719 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 1>great name, Michel Laschore, Fitzgerald Toussaint Lake, Seastrunk, my boy,

0:48:21.840 --> 0:48:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Zach Frickins Winnack.

0:48:23.800 --> 0:48:25.680
<v Speaker 2>You forgot the top. You've brought two of the names

0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:32.719
<v Speaker 2>on here. Oh oh yeah. And Ralph Bolden, Poor Ralph

0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:37.839
<v Speaker 2>Bolden with his knees. Yeah, Aurelius Bend Marvin McNutt, Josh Huff,

0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>de Rick Rodgers, and Jeremy Gallon. I had Jackson, Jeffcoat,

0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Curry, Joe Schmidt, Darren Walls, Gary Gray, Zack Sanchez,

0:48:48.239 --> 0:48:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Crazy Carl Joseph.

0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:54.680
<v Speaker 1>Andrew Elmore. And then on your side we had Denard Robinson,

0:48:54.760 --> 0:49:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Claus and Tea Magic, Taylor Martinez, Cadeem Carry, David Wilson,

0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:06.280
<v Speaker 1>James Rogers, Jabbed, Jared Aberdaris, A J. Jenkins, Kyle Long,

0:49:06.760 --> 0:49:13.719
<v Speaker 1>every TCU undersize defensive end. Excuse me, Hercules Montaafa, Ken,

0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Shrell Brothers, Cliff Harris, Alex Henry and Zack Sanchez. Times.

0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:25.120
<v Speaker 2>Yes, all of these are correct. I am quite excited.

0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:28.719
<v Speaker 2>These are our sentimental favorites. And on part two we're

0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:34.279
<v Speaker 2>going to be doing our actual favorite excellent players at

0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:37.719
<v Speaker 2>each position, and we are going to try to make

0:49:37.800 --> 0:49:41.920
<v Speaker 2>cases for why they are the deserving ones in our minds. So,

0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:47.560
<v Speaker 2>for instance, like you have here, uh, Tom Reese as

0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 2>you're an.

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<v Speaker 1>All time best, So yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we I meant to do this? Should we be

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<v Speaker 2>calling him Jim Clawson? I don't know, John Manziel, Chris McCaffrey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm previewing too much here. I love this ty, I sincerely,

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<v Speaker 2>sincerely did. One of the things I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>mention real quick before we go and preview next week,

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<v Speaker 2>is when you were talking about crazy Carl Joseph, that

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<v Speaker 2>there is something about having a safety. It's usually a safety,

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<v Speaker 2>but sometimes it's gonna be a corner who piles up

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<v Speaker 2>ridiculous interception numbers and gets drafted like four rounds too high.

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<v Speaker 2>And I couldn't pull the trigger on Raheem Moore, nor

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<v Speaker 2>could I select David Amerson, but it's all I could

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<v Speaker 2>think about when you were talking about Carl Joseph. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to ask about tight End because I

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<v Speaker 2>have an answer, but it's putting you on the spot

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't, So I'm gonna give you my tight

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<v Speaker 2>End who was automatic And another pre Fantasy Things showing okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's Nick O'Leary. Nick O'Leary for Florida State. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>grandson of Jack Nicholas.

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<v Speaker 1>Who could ever forget that would have been a Fantasy

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<v Speaker 1>Things selection back in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>He was secretly one of, if not the most dependable

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<v Speaker 2>part of that all time all time. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>say it was twenty thirteen Florida State offense, where anytime

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<v Speaker 2>they'd get to third and seven, it would either be

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<v Speaker 2>a screen or be like, oh, eight yard quick out

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<v Speaker 2>to Nicol Larry Sure, uh huh, drive keeps going, And

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<v Speaker 2>I respect that.

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<v Speaker 1>If I go back, you look at Notre Dame tight ends.

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<v Speaker 2>Hm, oh, this is gonna be tough.

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<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame has a long list of really good tight ends. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think back a while if you go back and

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<v Speaker 1>look at it. But one that always comes to mind

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<v Speaker 1>for me is Anthony Fosano. And that was slightly I

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<v Speaker 1>guess before our two thousand and eight cut off for this.

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<v Speaker 1>He was maybe a year or two before that. But

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Fossano for me, is the tight end that I

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<v Speaker 1>think I have the most sentimental value.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is objectively the best Notre Dame tight end of

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<v Speaker 2>the solid verbal era, of the solid verbal era, probably

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle Rudolph. Rudolph Okay, yeah, it's not a good run.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a really good run. Kyle Rudolph definitely in

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<v Speaker 2>the mix there.

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<v Speaker 1>You could probably throw Tyler Eifert in that equation as well,

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<v Speaker 1>though I don't think he was. I Likedifford a lot

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<v Speaker 1>as good. John Carlson another sleeper who played in the

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<v Speaker 1>NFL for a while. If he might still be in

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL, I don't know. Troy Nick, Troy Nick Nick,

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<v Speaker 1>Troy Nichols, the Troy Nicholas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, god, there was a I'm looking through it. Oh here,

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<v Speaker 2>how about ben Koyak Ben Koyak yep, sure, yeah, they

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<v Speaker 2>went away from it. They've gone away from it a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit recently. Alas Jones and Alas mack Man, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a good lift. Durham smythe durham smythe All right,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just naming people now. My pick for a favorite

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<v Speaker 2>Oregon tight end is David Paulson for the record, Auburn

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<v Speaker 2>Washington's own.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So here's the deal. Next week, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to go through our all time all time team. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight, Yes, two thousand and eight, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all time all time. Within the span of doing this show,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go through a two thousand and eight to present.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, though, please send us in your tweets,

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<v Speaker 1>Please your sentimental squad, give us your sentimental squad man.

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<v Speaker 1>Let us know who you think about when you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>college football. Maybe not the best guys, but your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>sentimental favorites over the last I don't know, decade or so.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be back next week. We're gonna do our

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<v Speaker 1>All TIMESV team, and please do send in your suggestions

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to close with this, ty, if you could

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<v Speaker 2>select anybody on your all Thie sentimental team to have

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<v Speaker 2>all twenty two a team of O leave them? Who

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<v Speaker 2>are you selecting? Do you want a team of Marvin mcnutts.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm gonna go Lake Seastrunk.

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<v Speaker 2>A team of Seastrunks. That's not bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all speed, baby, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Speed all the time. I'm going all Mataafa's sounds good.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well for that guy over there, my good

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<v Speaker 1>friend Dan Rubisy, for myself, Dihalda, We'll catch you all

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<v Speaker 1>in a week. Thanks for listening. In the meantime, stay solid, peace,