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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Solid Verbal. I'll that for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 2: I want to be happy, you want to be happy

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Speaker 1: Is that whoo whoom and down and tie. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the Solid Verba boys and girls. My name is

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Speaker 1: Ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over there in beautiful

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Speaker 2: My man.

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Speaker 1: Am Dan Rubisteine, Sir, how are you you know? I

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Speaker 1: got a massage earlier today?

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Speaker 2: Ty? What I really slept? I slept terribly the past

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Speaker 2: two nights on my neck and was really feeling it.

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Speaker 2: And I have one of those handheld massagers that's on

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Speaker 2: the fritz, and so I went to a local place

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Speaker 2: that's well reviewed, got ten minutes of intense attention, and

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Speaker 2: I gotta say, I think it opened something up in

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Speaker 2: me and I'm feeling great.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there's a Bob Kraft joke in there that I

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Speaker 1: will not make. I promise you upper.

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Speaker 2: Back massage will not make that joke.

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Speaker 1: the episodes, as well as some other popular college football topics. Dan,

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Speaker 1: did I miss anything in there?

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Speaker 2: No, I think that's pretty good. We've got a whole

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Speaker 2: bunch of shows that if you haven't listened to these

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Speaker 2: past few weeks, I think you should go check out

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Speaker 2: we've been I think we have been hitting our stride

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Speaker 2: would start doing season previews, team previews, conference previews. It's

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Speaker 2: a no weeks off operation here, Ty and I couldn't

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Speaker 2: be prouder. I feel like since I started standing while

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Speaker 2: I record, Yeah, I've not only enjoyed the show more,

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Speaker 2: but some of the ideas to make it through this

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Speaker 2: long cold off season. I've just they've come a little

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Speaker 2: as well. This is true. And can we first before

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Speaker 2: we get into because you know what the show is

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Speaker 2: generally about, because you've seen the title and description. We

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Speaker 2: need to give proper attribution to our inspiration for doing

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely so. I don't know have we settled on

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Speaker 1: verbal something like that. Yeah, yeah, something along those lines.

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Speaker 1: We started talking about it earlier in the week. We

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Speaker 1: Do you want to lay it all out there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So, somebody who's been around the sort of Twitter

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Speaker 1: James Franklin.

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Speaker 1: I have multiple options here. I won't go into them

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Speaker 1: Kate Forcier had two thousand passing yards as a freshman

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Speaker 1: That also goes into that same category as Dinard Robinson

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Speaker 1: Oh gods great?

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Speaker 2: got Mikael Lashure. Oh my gosh, mckl Lashore from Illinois.

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Speaker 2: Ten Lashore. Yeah, Mikela Shore. And by the way, this

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Speaker 2: Ring a little bit, five foot one, tons of fun. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Lake Seastrunk, your boy.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't he the one that helped get Chip Kelly in trouble?

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Speaker 2: All right, So this is on my sentimental team, and

436
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 2: these are the best compliments I can offer to, especially

437
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: a receiver where you're in such you're in so little

438
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: control of your actual success. It's so quarterback and blocking

439
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 2: and you know, dB dependent. But the three of my guys,

440
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 2: this is my like memorial Eric Decker Award for being

441
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 2: on not so good and just getting open and being

442
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 2: an entire offense. Aj Jenkins for Illinois, Yeah, another Ali,

443
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,479
Speaker 2: and I I think his quarterback was Nathan sielhouse Man

444
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 2: and that he was the offense. He was that offense.

445
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 2: Jared aberderis who I think early had Russell Wilson and

446
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 2: then it got kind of rough quarterback for Wisconsin, but

447
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 2: he was alongside Nicktoon and they were both very very good.

448
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: He could definitely have gotten Nicktoon. I went back and forth.

449
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: My third pick is my favorite just in terms of sentimentality,

450
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 2: and you know it must be because it's a receiver

451
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 2: from Oregon State eight. And this is similar to my

452
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: feeling or my comparison for you about clenching that BH

453
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 2: with Denard Robinson, James Rogers. And I know Quiz gets

454
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 2: probably more attention because of his size and just you

455
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: know the huge game he had against USC, but James

456
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 2: Rogers running the fly sweep and then just un guardable.

457
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 2: There are certain receivers you look at and like, if

458
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: I put Julio Jones or al Sean Jeffrey or Calvin Ridley, know,

459
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 2: all of these guys who are just Adonis's in front

460
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: of you, and said, these guys are here's a spoiler,

461
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 2: You're not gonna be able to guard him. You're like, yeah,

462
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 2: I get that. Uh huh, yep, I totally agree. You

463
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: put James Rogers in front of You're like, hey, we'll

464
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 2: figure something out, and you couldn't. James Rogers was that

465
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 2: good and that automatic, and I loved watching him and

466
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: it made me feel terrible because he went to Oregon

467
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 2: State and he would kill Oregon each year.

468
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: He was so good. A good return man too.

469
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, he was terrifying.

470
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: All right, who do you have? I've got Aurelius Ben

471
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 1: while we're doing while we're doing the Illinois thing. Yeah,

472
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: here's what's interesting about Arelias Ben. I feel like a

473
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: lot of people know him. A lot of people know

474
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: the name.

475
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, five star yep.

476
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: After he had a breakout sophomore year. He had like

477
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Speaker 1: a thousand yards a sophomore year. If you look over

478
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 1: the totality of his college career, he only had he

479
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: played three years and left early. He only had seven

480
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: receiving touchdowns in three years. Okay, all right, so it

481
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: wasn't like a Justin Blackman kind of season where he's

482
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: got a million touchdowns seven total over the span of

483
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: three years. He was drafted, I think in the second

484
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: round by the Bucks, had like kind of immediately right, Yeah,

485
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: had around one thousand yards over the entire span of

486
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: his NFL career and sort of flamed out. But Arelli

487
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: has Ben had that season, went to the It wasn't

488
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: the same season that Illinois went to the Rose Bowl

489
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,959
Speaker 1: with Juce Williams because that was the year before we

490
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: started doing our podcast in like two thousand and seven,

491
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: but he had that experience. He built on that experience

492
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: the next year, had over a thousand yards in his

493
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: sophomore year, then left early after his junior campaign, got

494
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: drafted and then didn't really work out. But Aurelius Ben

495
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: is a name that still holds very much sentimental value

496
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: for me. Also on that list, I mentioned Jeremy Gallon.

497
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: We won't go back into it. He does fall into

498
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Speaker 1: that category of Michigan receivers that you know by name,

499
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: but he knew in the moment that maybe we won't

500
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 1: see them on Sundays. They're just fun to.

501
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: Watch little Rowntree action.

502
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: I considered Roy Rowntree as well. Absolutely, I have Derick

503
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: Rodgers on this list. Ah, great transfer. Derick Rodgers had

504
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: some issues at Tennessee ended up transferring to Tennessee Tech.

505
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: I just like the fact that his name was Derick.

506
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: We always got to.

507
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Speaker 2: Kick out of that doing the shade played at Oddston

508
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 2: Stadium Tennessee Tech and then made it to the NFL

509
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 2: for a little bit.

510
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: Totally good. Pick some other names here on my list.

511
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you didn't include Josh Huff.

512
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 2: You know, I didn't want to go too heavy Oregon

513
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: because we've got a couple here, and I don't know.

514
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 2: You took one, maybe two Notre Dame players.

515
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: I love.

516
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: There's Josh Huff, Jeff Mail, There's all sorts of players

517
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 2: in that those wide out cores.

518
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: I'm also throwing Marvin McNutt in there. I think he

519
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: might be my number one. Marvin McNutt over DJK yeah, okay,

520
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,719
Speaker 1: had a cup of coffee, I believe with the NFL

521
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: played a little bit here and there.

522
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: So he was drafted in twenty twelve. So who were

523
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: his quarterbacks at Iowa. Let's see, two thousand they had DJK.

524
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: That was a good duo. In two thousand and eight

525
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: he had Ricky Stansey.

526
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Speaker 1: Oh, love it or leave it. In two thousand and

527
00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: nine he had Ricky Stanzy. Yeah. In ten he had

528
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: Ricky Stanzy.

529
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,919
Speaker 2: Okay, so that was that was totally decent. That's an

530
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Speaker 2: NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And in twenty eleven James Vandenburg. All right, so Ricky

532
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,960
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Speaker 1: All right, let's move to the lines here. I'm ready.

585
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Speaker 1: Are there any names with sentimental value to you along

586
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Speaker 1: the lines?

587
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: So along the offensive line, I have one name, and

588
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: this is one of my Oregon names. It's Kyle Long,

589
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 2: who Yes, he's a first round pick, he's still in

590
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: the NFL, but he was not a longtime college name.

591
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: He played one year of college football. I think you

592
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: started playing college baseball and got in trouble and went

593
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: JUCO and ended up at Oregon. He was a backup

594
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: at Oregon during his one season and into like November,

595
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: and this still resonates with me. They're like, well, he's

596
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: come along, he's learned the playbook, he has a good understanding,

597
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: and I guess we're gonna start him against USC on

598
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: the road. At USC, smash cut to ken Yon Barner

599
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: running for three hundred and twenty one yards behind Kyle Long,

600
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: and it made me so happy, so so so so.

601
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: It was Marcus Mariot's freshman year, and I think they

602
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: petitioned to get him another year. It didn't work, and

603
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 2: so his fallback plan was getting drafted in the first round.

604
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 2: And Kyle Long probably would have been like a blue chip,

605
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 2: five star offensive lineman had he chosen football over baseball.

606
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 2: He grew up and I want to say Charlottesville, think

607
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: that's where the Long family resides. But I remember that

608
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: early on, hearing just from people at Oregon practice, players

609
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: and coaches and people who just happened to be like,

610
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,959
Speaker 2: he's a different kind of guy. He's a different guy.

611
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: So he's going to start and he's going to be

612
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: the best guy that there is. And so that became

613
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: really apparent that first game starting. And so I held

614
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: a soft spot from two twenty thousand, twenty thousand, I

615
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 2: held a soft spot from twenty twelve.

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Speaker 1: I don't have an offensive woman, but I do a

617
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: defensive lineman.

618
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: I know you disrespect large men.

619
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Speaker 1: Remember a gentleman by the name of Jackson Jeffcoat. What

620
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Speaker 1: about Jeff Schwartz.

621
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Speaker 2: I guess he was oh seven was his final year

622
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: Jackson Jeffcoat, Dan Jackson Jeffcoat.

623
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Speaker 1: He was the number one strong side defensive end in

624
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: the twenty ten recruiting class. He's Canadian born.

625
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: Mm hm. He got to be really good.

626
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Speaker 1: He played at the University of Texas and didn't really

627
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: go on to that renown of a pro career, but

628
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: came in with a certain amount of acclaim. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I was always enamored with the name. You know, now,

630
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: it's the name of a Billions character. Almost there's a

631
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Speaker 1: character on Billions named Jock Jeffcoat, and I always think

632
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: of Jackson Jeffcoat. Jackson Jeffcoat played at Tennessee. No, Jackson

633
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: Jeffco played at Texas. The name forever sticks with me.

634
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: This was right in the early part of our solid

635
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Speaker 1: verbal rise to glory here on the podcast, Jackson jeffcot.

636
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: You know what I really liked about not just Jackson Jeffcote,

637
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Speaker 2: but a lot of players from this Texas era. It

638
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: was like the Forgotten era. It was all these players,

639
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: seeing Vince Young and then Colt McCoy and those incredible

640
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: secondaries and running backs, whoever, this Texas team is just

641
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: going to be a never ending dynasty. And then like

642
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: it's the actual Jackson Jeffcoat era. Right, it's like twenty

643
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 2: ten to twenty thirteen. That's the end of Mac Brown

644
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 2: at Texas. That's the well, is he going to turn

645
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 2: around this year?

646
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: No? Is he gonna turn around this year? No?

647
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: And like it's the hush hush, what forgotten era of Texas.

648
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to think who else we're on? God,

649
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: it was I'm looking through here. This is Jack and Shipley,

650
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: Marquise Goodwin, Fozzy Whittaker. You got David ash in there

651
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: until he got hurt. There's you have I think two

652
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: Malcolm Brown's right on both sides of the ball. You

653
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: have DJ Monroe, Joe bergeron who like really flashed for

654
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 2: a while, Jonathan Gray so, Daja Johnson. Oh my god,

655
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: these names. So this was like that forgotten era and

656
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 2: every team has this era. And you know what, whether

657
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: it was like as things went downhill for Notre Dame

658
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 2: or the end of you know, uh, Mark Helfrich at

659
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 2: Oregon and even the end of Pete Carroll at USC

660
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, yeah that guy, huh yeah, I just

661
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: went to a rose ball.

662
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: That's it.

663
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: So I love that that, you know, Jackson Jeff quot

664
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: was still able to shine through some some turbulent times.

665
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: Let's go over to linebacker.

666
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: Now, yeah, well I didn't give my defensive lineman. Oh please,

667
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: I'll go through these quickly because I love a good

668
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: unorthodox ly not a word sized defensive lineman. You look

669
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: at LSU and you're like, man, both of their defensive

670
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: tackles are six five three thirty great. Both of their

671
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 2: ends are six four two seventy five, exactly what you want.

672
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: I love it when they're like so. I have listed

673
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: on here every undersized defensive end from TCU. Ever, Jerry Hughes,

674
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 2: who is pre Fantasy Things. Ye did you know Jerry

675
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 2: Hughes used to be a running back pre Fantasy Things

676
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: all star if it had existed. But Stansley Mapunga, DeVante

677
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 2: Fields who did get into a bunch of trouble, and

678
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: Paul Dawson, all these guys were like they just looked

679
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: like they were like, oh, he's built kind of solidly,

680
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: but like if he were working a construction site or

681
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: at an office. They're all six two two forty and

682
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 2: we're all amazing. They were all incredible. I also have

683
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 2: down here unorthodoxally sized Mount Cody, Yeah for Alabama, who

684
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: blocked a game winning kick and at five hundred and

685
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 2: seventy three pounds, why not. And just a personal favorite

686
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: because it seemed like he memorized snap counts in a

687
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 2: way that was like ingrained in his head. Hercules mataafa

688
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: for wazoo. Great, Like, that's a six two two forty

689
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: five defensive tackle who just sliced through every offensive line.

690
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: I loved him, all right, let's move to linebacker. I'm

691
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: partial to two guys here, I'm right. First off, a

692
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: gentleman we actually had on the program. Mm hmm. Aaron Curry. Yeah,

693
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: formerly the fourth overall pick out of Wake Forest, was

694
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: picked by the Seahawks in the two thousand and nine

695
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: NFL draft. Was a big deal coming out of college.

696
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: Didn't really live up to the hype, right, But we

697
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: had him on the program, and I was always partial

698
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: to him. The one thing I remember, you could probably

699
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: go back and find the show if it hasn't been deleted.

700
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: When we talked to him, we said to him, what

701
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: are you gonna do with your money? What are you

702
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: gonna do with your with your first paycheck? And he

703
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: talked about how he wanted to buy and I forget

704
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: the breed, but some breed of dog that was very

705
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: rare might have been silver and had it was a

706
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 1: husky ish something blue Allions or silver eyes, right, something

707
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: akin to that. So I hope he got his puppy,

708
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: and I hope he's doing well. May not have worked

709
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,320
Speaker 1: out in the pro game, but was an absolute force

710
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: at Wake Forest.

711
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: He was a total force.

712
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: And then the other one here is Joe Schmidt. Oh,

713
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: I love that call. Joe Schmidt to me feels like

714
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: one of the ultimates of this list. Joe Schmidt, former

715
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: Notre Dame linebacker, undersized walk on had a lot of

716
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: feel good qualities to him and his play.

717
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: Five foot nothing, one hundred and nothing was.

718
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: Very, very bright on the football field. Maybe not the

719
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: most athletically sound, but certainly plug the hole up the

720
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: middle and was limited but very effective in his own way.

721
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 2: Was he there at the same time as Jalen Smith?

722
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 2: He was, Yeah, So that was like a nice dichotomy

723
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: because Jalen Smith was everywhere. Jalen Smith was arguably the

724
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: best linebacker in the country. And then you next to him,

725
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: you have what are we gonna use, gritty Wes Welker type, ye,

726
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 2: Joe Schmidt. Yeah, No, that was good. That was a

727
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 2: you know, Notre Dame recently has done really well with linebacker.

728
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: It was a very good tandem. But what I will

729
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: never forget about Joe Schmidt, And maybe it was because

730
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: you could see the contrast between him and Jalen Smith

731
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: on the field because they were playing on the same team,

732
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: same side of the ball, every play, right next to

733
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: each other. Joe Schmidt is one of the only players

734
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: that I can remember watching the game and listening to

735
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: the commentators pretty much talk openly like he's not going

736
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: to play in the NFL, like, yeah, he's good enough

737
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: for this team, but like he's going to be going

738
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: pro in something other than sports. And the degree to

739
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: which the commentators who are just open about this fact

740
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: always blew me away is like, does Joe Schmidt find

741
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: this disrespectful that they're talking about him like this? He's

742
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: having a pretty good year.

743
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 2: There's also a Joe Schmidt who played linebacker for Pitt

744
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: in the like fifties.

745
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: Uh so there's that.

746
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: Soh My linebacking crew is all over the place, but

747
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: I love it.

748
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: So I've got Scooby right.

749
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: Obviously, good one, good one who piled up tackles like

750
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: he was paid a dollar a tackle, like they would

751
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: pay you for Neutria in Louisiana. To help get you

752
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: through the winter. Scooby was just everywhere and just piled

753
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: it up, put up every stat but was a Heisman finalist.

754
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: So I feel a little bad putting him in as

755
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: a sentimental favorite, but he absolutely was because he didn't

756
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 2: do much. I think he was on an AAF squad.

757
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: Ray maul Luga, who was a total blue chipper and

758
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 2: had an NFL career and maybe still is in the NFL.

759
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 2: I have no idea, but when he came in, I

760
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: mean the USC linebacking crew. I keep saying cru but

761
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 2: linebacking corp whatever is one of the most talented. When

762
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: you look at like the height of the Pete Carroll era,

763
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: with Brian Cushing and Keith Rivers, all these guys and

764
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 2: Raymond Lugu. When he came in, You're like, I think

765
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: he wants to kill somebody, and he was there. I

766
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 2: want to say he overlapped with Vontez Berfect, but I'm

767
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: not positive who was actually on my act All All team.

768
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 2: But that huge hit against UCLA is one of five

769
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: six times where I was watching a game You're like,

770
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: what just happened? Is that guy all right? Is that

771
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: guy Spleen in the seventeenth Row and he was just

772
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: ridiculous to watch. And then my third guy is Kenhrell Brothers,

773
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: who this fits a very specific mold for me. He

774
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 2: was at Miszoo twenty fifteen. He like one hundred and

775
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 2: fifty plus tackles. He was arguably the best player on

776
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 2: a defense that had to do everything for this family.

777
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: It was such a bad offense that Miszoo's defense is there. Again,

778
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: we've talked about great half teams. There is an argument

779
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: to be made, and it would be the saddest argument

780
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: to spend any more time on twenty fifteen Mazoo that

781
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: that defense was the best defense on a terrible, terrible

782
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 2: team that had to deal with a terrible offen Ken

783
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 2: Trell Brothers, I think he's a backup in the NFL.

784
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but he was everywhere. I loved him.

785
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 1: We actually have some overlap. What do we have defensive

786
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: back position? I didn't know this. Oh yeah, I saw this.

787
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:44,359
Speaker 1: We both have Zach Sanchez Zack Sanchez. Zack Sanchez had

788
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: a run st Oklahoma right yep, where he was just

789
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: incredible at finding the football, at picking off the football

790
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 1: didn't amount to much as an NFL player. That's okay,

791
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: but incredible run as a defensive back.

792
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 2: For the Sooners makes me feel sentimental. For a time

793
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 2: when Oklahoma occasionally stopped people throwing the ball, and Zack

794
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: Sanchez was one of the reasons they did that. They

795
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: had a couple good linebackers in there. They struggled post venables,

796
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: I would say, but Zack Sanchez a lot of the

797
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: time was a bright spot. So we have that soft

798
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: spot for Zack Sohnchek.

799
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: We had a ton of fun talking about Zack Sanchez

800
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: and especially doing that accent. But just looking over his

801
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: college career, he had fifteen interceptions in three years, which

802
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: is incredible, six and seven his final two seasons at Oklahoma.

803
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: They could use a lot more of that. Right now,

804
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: Zack Sanchez has any eligibility and wants to come back.

805
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 2: And sometimes that means if you were throwing at a

806
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 2: corner more that maybe he's not as good as the

807
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,479
Speaker 2: guy on the opposite side of the field, and that's

808
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: it could be true. But if Zack Snchez is pulling

809
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: down picks, then he's doing what he supposed to. So

810
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 2: I like that.

811
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: You have a couple other heirs. Here's a couple others

812
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: here yeah, I got Crazy Carl Joseph, who's still actually

813
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: I think in the league. But Karl Joseph from West Virginia.

814
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: We called him Crazy Carl because he was just like

815
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: a torpedo coming down from the strong safety position. I've

816
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: also got here the Darren Walls slash Gary Gray mm hmm,

817
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: blended era at Notre Dame. There was some overlap there

818
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: between the two. Darren Walls came in and was a

819
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: very highly regarded cornerback prospect, didn't quite amount to the

820
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 1: hype once they got it out there wasn't bad, wasn't

821
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: Gary Gray bad. But Darren Walls was one of the

822
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: first cornerbacks that I can remember in an era where

823
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: Notre Dame needed cornerbacks where they actually went out and

824
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: got one, and he came in with a hype. Didn't

825
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: quite pan out, but whatever. And then the Gary Gray thing.

826
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: I put Gary Gray on this list because in the

827
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 1: early part of our podcast I I made all sorts

828
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: of hay making fun of Gary Gray. Okay, not a

829
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: very good cornerback, but still saw a ton of playing

830
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: time because Notre Dame all on the whole was not

831
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: very good at cornerback either.

832
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: And then it was what year are we talking about?

833
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: So this is like right as the podcast is starting up.

834
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 2: Darren Wallas oh nine to ten.

835
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, finished his college career in twenty ten, and Gary

836
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: Gray was shortly thereafter.

837
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: He is currently the defensive coordinator at Baldwin High in Pittsburgh. Yep,

838
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 2: I assume named after Jonathan Baldwin. That would be weird.

839
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: Who is the note? I liked a Notre Dame corner.

840
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: This is weird to say out loud.

841
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 2: But it was like thirteen fourteen, fifteen somewhere in the Russell.

842
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was good.

843
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: He was good. They've gotten really good at corner, my

844
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: other corner other than zax heres Is. I mean, how

845
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: do you not love Cliff Harris at what he did

846
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: on the field. Has had a rough go of it after.

847
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: But the rumor is the story is he showed up

848
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: at Oregon and when freshmen were introducing themselves to the team,

849
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 2: he said, my name is Cliff Harris and I'm here

850
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 2: to lock shit down and then just sat down and

851
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: totally backed it up. I still claim he had that

852
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: pick against Auburn in the National Championship game that they

853
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: ruled he was out of bounds. He had one of

854
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: my just most viscerally enjoyable picks. It was that Tennessee

855
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: game that if you remember, there was lightning the delay

856
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: and Matt Simms, bless his heart, decided to throw clear

857
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: across his body across the field and Cliff Harris took

858
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: it back for eighty and six and it was just

859
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 2: so wonderful. So, Cliff Harris, you were great and I

860
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: miss you so.

861
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: On the heels of talking about Zack Sanchez and drawing

862
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: drawing loose reference to our favorite John Miller fake Spanish accent, yes,

863
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about Drew Alamon,

864
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: the kicker former kicker for LSU who Vern Lunquist seemingly

865
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Speaker 1: invented a fake French accent to described during CBS broadcasts

866
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: back in the day.

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00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: That sounds familiar, Drew Lmo Lemo. Yeah, I'm sorry you

868
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 2: didn't go with Brad Wing here, but you know that's

869
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: too obvious. He was so good.

870
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's playing in the NFL now, and.

871
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 2: He's still in the NFL, but you know, for a

872
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 2: punter on a fake punt to get an unsportsmanlike conduct

873
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: penalty as he runs in a touchdown on a fake punt. Oh,

874
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: it's wonderful. I have Alex Henry, who was also excellent.

875
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 2: This is not underrated Nebraska, but for Nebraska, I think

876
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 2: he's still their all time points leader, and I just

877
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: I still remember him. There's something about a kicker who

878
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 2: doesn't just make field goals, but you get the announcer

879
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 2: saying that would have been good from seventy and he

880
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: was putting deep field goals in ten yards above the

881
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: crossbar and just had an absolute boot and could not

882
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: have enjoyed his career more. I just, yeah, I was

883
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 2: jealous watching him in Nebraska.

884
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read through this list of sentimental favorites. Yes

885
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: on my end, on your end, we've got casual dress,

886
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: James Franklin, Tate Forcier, Joel Stave. I don't know if

887
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: I had time to mention Riley Skinner. Great name, Yeah,

888
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: great name, Michel Laschore, Fitzgerald Toussaint Lake, Seastrunk, my boy,

889
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: Zach Frickins Winnack.

890
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: You forgot the top. You've brought two of the names

891
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 2: on here. Oh oh yeah. And Ralph Bolden, Poor Ralph

892
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 2: Bolden with his knees. Yeah, Aurelius Bend Marvin McNutt, Josh Huff,

893
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: de Rick Rodgers, and Jeremy Gallon. I had Jackson, Jeffcoat,

894
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: Aaron Curry, Joe Schmidt, Darren Walls, Gary Gray, Zack Sanchez,

895
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: Crazy Carl Joseph.

896
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: Andrew Elmore. And then on your side we had Denard Robinson,

897
00:48:54,760 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: Jimmy Claus and Tea Magic, Taylor Martinez, Cadeem Carry, David Wilson,

898
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: James Rogers, Jabbed, Jared Aberdaris, A J. Jenkins, Kyle Long,

899
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: every TCU undersize defensive end. Excuse me, Hercules Montaafa, Ken,

900
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: Shrell Brothers, Cliff Harris, Alex Henry and Zack Sanchez. Times.

901
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: Yes, all of these are correct. I am quite excited.

902
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 2: These are our sentimental favorites. And on part two we're

903
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 2: going to be doing our actual favorite excellent players at

904
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: each position, and we are going to try to make

905
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: cases for why they are the deserving ones in our minds. So,

906
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 2: for instance, like you have here, uh, Tom Reese as

907
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 2: you're an.

908
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 1: All time best, So yeah.

909
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: Should we I meant to do this? Should we be

910
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: calling him Jim Clawson? I don't know, John Manziel, Chris McCaffrey,

911
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: I'm previewing too much here. I love this ty, I sincerely,

912
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 2: sincerely did. One of the things I just wanted to

913
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: mention real quick before we go and preview next week,

914
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: is when you were talking about crazy Carl Joseph, that

915
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 2: there is something about having a safety. It's usually a safety,

916
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,359
Speaker 2: but sometimes it's gonna be a corner who piles up

917
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: ridiculous interception numbers and gets drafted like four rounds too high.

918
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 2: And I couldn't pull the trigger on Raheem Moore, nor

919
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 2: could I select David Amerson, but it's all I could

920
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,479
Speaker 2: think about when you were talking about Carl Joseph. Also,

921
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: I was going to ask about tight End because I

922
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 2: have an answer, but it's putting you on the spot

923
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: if you don't, So I'm gonna give you my tight

924
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: End who was automatic And another pre Fantasy Things showing okay,

925
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 2: and that's Nick O'Leary. Nick O'Leary for Florida State. Yeah,

926
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: grandson of Jack Nicholas.

927
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: Who could ever forget that would have been a Fantasy

928
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: Things selection back in the day.

929
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: He was secretly one of, if not the most dependable

930
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: part of that all time all time. I want to

931
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: say it was twenty thirteen Florida State offense, where anytime

932
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: they'd get to third and seven, it would either be

933
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: a screen or be like, oh, eight yard quick out

934
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: to Nicol Larry Sure, uh huh, drive keeps going, And

935
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 2: I respect that.

936
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: If I go back, you look at Notre Dame tight ends.

937
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 2: Hm, oh, this is gonna be tough.

938
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: Notre Dame has a long list of really good tight ends. Yeah,

939
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: I think back a while if you go back and

940
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,479
Speaker 1: look at it. But one that always comes to mind

941
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: for me is Anthony Fosano. And that was slightly I

942
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: guess before our two thousand and eight cut off for this.

943
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: He was maybe a year or two before that. But

944
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: Anthony Fossano for me, is the tight end that I

945
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: think I have the most sentimental value.

946
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: Who is objectively the best Notre Dame tight end of

947
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: the solid verbal era, of the solid verbal era, probably

948
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: Kyle Rudolph. Rudolph Okay, yeah, it's not a good run.

949
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 2: It's been a really good run. Kyle Rudolph definitely in

950
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 2: the mix there.

951
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: You could probably throw Tyler Eifert in that equation as well,

952
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 1: though I don't think he was. I Likedifford a lot

953
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: as good. John Carlson another sleeper who played in the

954
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: NFL for a while. If he might still be in

955
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: the NFL, I don't know. Troy Nick, Troy Nick Nick,

956
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: Troy Nichols, the Troy Nicholas.

957
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, god, there was a I'm looking through it. Oh here,

958
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: how about ben Koyak Ben Koyak yep, sure, yeah, they

959
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: went away from it. They've gone away from it a

960
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: little bit recently. Alas Jones and Alas mack Man, this

961
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 2: is a good lift. Durham smythe durham smythe All right,

962
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: we're just naming people now. My pick for a favorite

963
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 2: Oregon tight end is David Paulson for the record, Auburn

964
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: Washington's own.

965
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: All right, So here's the deal. Next week, we're going

966
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Speaker 1: to go through our all time all time team. Yes,

967
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, Yes, two thousand and eight, Yeah,

968
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: all time all time. Within the span of doing this show,

969
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: we'll go through a two thousand and eight to present.

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00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: In the meantime, though, please send us in your tweets,

971
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: your emails, at soliverble dot com, wherever you can find us.

972
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: Please your sentimental squad, give us your sentimental squad man.

973
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: Let us know who you think about when you're talking

974
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: college football. Maybe not the best guys, but your favorite

975
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: sentimental favorites over the last I don't know, decade or so.

976
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 1: We're gonna be back next week. We're gonna do our

977
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: All TIMESV team, and please do send in your suggestions

978
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: for that as well. One more time, Soliverble at gmail

979
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: dot com, hit us up on the website on social media,

980
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: and don't forget to check out that subreddits, Reddit dot com,

981
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: slash our slash Soliverble Day and you got anything else.

982
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 2: I'm going to close with this, ty, if you could

983
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 2: select anybody on your all Thie sentimental team to have

984
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 2: all twenty two a team of O leave them? Who

985
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: are you selecting? Do you want a team of Marvin mcnutts.

986
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go Lake Seastrunk.

987
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: A team of Seastrunks. That's not bad.

988
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, all speed, baby, all.

989
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 2: Speed all the time. I'm going all Mataafa's sounds good.

990
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 1: All right, Well for that guy over there, my good

991
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: friend Dan Rubisy, for myself, Dihalda, We'll catch you all

992
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 1: in a week. Thanks for listening. In the meantime, stay solid, peace,