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Yeah, 17 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: cyber threats are huge. I mean, that's one of the 18 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: biggest dangers that people face, just because it's so easy 19 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: to do when somebody you know halfway across the world 20 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: can suck out your information. I'd say probably the one 21 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: of the major ways these days is just public Wi Fi, 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: so they use what's called a man in the middle attack. 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: And if you go to a place like Starbucks, try 24 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: and get on their Wi Fi. You'll see the typical 25 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: Starbucks Wi Fi that you're supposed to click on, but 26 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: right below it you may see something that says Starbucks 27 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: one or Starbucks two, and that's a fake one. But 28 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: if you click on it try and enter your information, 29 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: it will still lie you in. But then the criminals 30 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: have access to everything you're typing, essentially an open book. 31 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: And where where are they? Are they in Starbucks or 32 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: they outside? Where are they so they can set up anywhere. 33 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: I mean, these guys they just got to be close 34 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: enough to get your Wi Fi connections. So they can 35 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: be sitting in the Starbucks because obviously they blend in. 36 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: You know, they can be in a hotel lobby because 37 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, everybody going to hotels is logging onto the 38 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: hotel Wi Fi. Probably the best thing you can do, 39 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: and it's not not expensive at all, is to get 40 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: a VPN, which stands for virtual private network, and if 41 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 1: somebody just goes on the Internet and searches VPN, there's 42 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: a lot out there, but you can download it and 43 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: then it encrypts what's going on. So, for instance, I 44 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: was on an airplane today. The airplane WiFi is obviously 45 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: wide open and very easy for attack, but I use 46 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: my VPN that way, my information is encrypted and I 47 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about criminals essentially reading my email. Geez. 48 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: Now what about the possibility too, of cyberbullying? How do 49 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: you fight back on that when most of these people 50 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: are anonymous. Yeah, I mean it kind of goes back 51 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: to the same thing with stocking. So one reported, you know, 52 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: at least have a paper trail, go to local police, 53 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: and then too ignore it. So I'm actually working with 54 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: someone right now who is being cyber bullied, and it 55 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: teends to be a woman, and I just kept telling her, 56 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: you've got to ignore it, meaning shut down your Facebook accounts, 57 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: if you have Twitter or whatever, you know the lotus 58 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: latest social media crazes, shut down the account, stop reading 59 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: it because obviously it's incredibly psychologically damaging when you read 60 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: these things, and you've just got to ignore it. That way, 61 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: you got to ignore a bully and not keep paying 62 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: attention to them. What about the kids? You know, you 63 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: as a parent, we're concerned about our children and what 64 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: if they're subjected to stuff like this and they don't 65 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: tell you? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. I've got four kids 66 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: so obviously want to make sure they're protected. And it 67 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: comes down to stuff that we know what to do, 68 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: but more and more parents these days don't. And that's 69 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: having only one computer in an accessible area where everybody 70 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: can see it. I mean it's like, you know how 71 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: I remember, as you have a computer in the family room, 72 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: Mom and dad can watch you. They can make sure 73 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: you know you're not going to sites you shouldn't, but 74 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: they can also see who you're talking to. And I 75 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: think more and more parents are trying to be the 76 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: cool parents these days are too laid back. But you've 77 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: got to watch your kids to make sure that you know, 78 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: some horrible person isn't bullying them, or some horrible person 79 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: and trying to hurre them in to you know, all 80 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: the pedophiles and all that of crazy stuff. A couple 81 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: of years ago, I went to Mexico to see a 82 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: buddy of mine who got married. And you can google 83 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: George Nor kidnapped in Mexico. It almost happened Jason. As 84 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: I was leaving the hotel to go back to the airport, 85 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: we solicited an airport or a van that was by 86 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: the hotel, and it was a shuttle van. And the 87 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: driver was of course foreign and very nervous looking and 88 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: sweaty looking, but I thought nothing of that. And as 89 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: we're going to the airport in Cancoon, he's starting to 90 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: really get nervous talking on a two way, not a phone, 91 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 1: but a two way with somebody else, and they seem 92 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: to be yelling at each other. All of a sudden, 93 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: his van breaks down in a seedy area of town, 94 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 1: and it was it was horrible, and cars are starting 95 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: to show up like his buddies, and I'm going this 96 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: is not good. So I reached for the door latch 97 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: by the window. I pull it up. It's been sawed off, 98 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: so I can't get out. I grabbed my bags from 99 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: the back and then got out the front door. Some 100 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: young kid was driving by. I waived one hundred dollar 101 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: bill at him us and he stopped and I said, 102 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: I need to go to the airport, and he says, okay, man, 103 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: and I jump in and I'm gone. Now after the fact, 104 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: Homeland Security apparently got involved, and what they claimed was 105 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: they were going to like ATMB to death until it 106 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: was you know, wiped out, which probably would have taken 107 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: two days. But I mean, what a scary situation. I 108 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: don't want to go back there. Well absolutely, I mean, 109 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: you did everything actually perfect. I mean, you should have 110 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: been a spye George first. Mexico is incredibly dangerous. I 111 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: will not go there these days, and there's no amount 112 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: of money. I mean I get people who call me 113 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: and they want me to go train down there, and 114 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: I say absolutely not. You know, you fly up to me, 115 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: because it's not a matter of if, it's a matter 116 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: of when. I mean, people I know go there often 117 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: and they say no, it's not going to happen. Eventually, 118 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: they almost have some kind of kidnapping attempt. But what 119 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: you did was perfect. Because one of the things I 120 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: teach people is when you're traveling overseas, have cash on you, 121 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: especially one hundred dollar bill, because in an emergency, if 122 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: you shove that in somebody's face, I don't care who 123 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: they are, they're gonna grab it and they're gonna help you. 124 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: But again, it goes back to what we talked about 125 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: when you first we got on today about the North 126 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: Korea kid who went over there and unfortunately ended up dying. Yeah, yeah, 127 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: it's sorry. That's what I meant. Yeah, thank you. The 128 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: US kid who went to North Korea is try and 129 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: avoid the dangerous places. Obviously you don't want to go 130 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: to Iraq and Afghanistan and North Korea. But even Mexico, 131 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: like I said, nothing's going to get me there these days, 132 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: I don't care how much you try and pay me. See, 133 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: in my case, I'm convinced that somebody at the hotel 134 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: who may have, you know, googled me and found out 135 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: who I was and what I did, notified somebody else, 136 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: and I think it was a setup. What do you think? Oh? Absolutely, 137 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: I mean international hotels they have spotters sitting in the lobby. 138 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: So if it's a popular hotel for American tourists, because 139 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: everybody thinks Americans are rich, whether that's not, you know 140 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: or not. So if you're an American you show up 141 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: in this hotel, they either have spotters sitting in the 142 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: lobby who watch you check in, watch you in the 143 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: follow you somewhere, or else it's an inside job, which 144 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: a lot of times it is. So that's one of 145 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: the many reasons you never put your stuff in the 146 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: hotel safe because they all have the combo. But also 147 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: the guy checking you and can say, hey, man, that 148 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: guy's were in a rolex, or that wife, you know, 149 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: has a big ring on her finger, and then he'll 150 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: call his buddies and say, hey, they're in this room, 151 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: or hey, he asked me about dining at X y 152 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: Z restaurant. So I think you're one hundred percent right 153 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: that the whole thing was a setup. Wow, people just 154 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: need to be careful. Now, what about the CIA and 155 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: the recruitment process. I mean, did Elvis really belong to 156 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: the CIA? I keep hearing those rumors. That is a 157 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: great question. I'll let you know when I find out. 158 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: All right, you know, the recruitment process varies most people. 159 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: And again this isn't the sexy answer. You know, apply 160 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: go through the very long process. I mean it took 161 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: me twelve months because you've got to get polygraphed, you 162 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: got to have the medical exam, you've got to have 163 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: a psychological exam. They got to do the background check. 164 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: So that's the traditional way and how the vast majority 165 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: of people go through, and then there's the small percentage 166 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: who you know are Harvard graduates and speak seventeen languages 167 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: and you know, brilliant mathematicians, and unfortunately I am not 168 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: any of those. So there's a very small percentage who 169 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: meet that you know that exact recruitment the agency's looking for. 170 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: Tell me a bit that you're about on a Shark Tank, 171 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: of course, where you talked about your organizations by escape 172 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: and Evasion school. Yeah, Shark Tank was very well for me. 173 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: It was an incredible blessing. I've always told people that 174 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: I'm very good at what I do in the safety 175 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: and survival world and keeping people safe, but I'm not 176 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: the business expert. So I went on there trying to 177 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: look for somebody you could teach me how to run 178 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: a business better and how to grow the business, because 179 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: I love what I do and obviously I want to 180 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: teach more people. And I ended up getting a deal 181 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: with Damon John turned out to be a super nice 182 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: guy and down to earth, and so it worked out 183 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: very well for me and obviously got me publicity on 184 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: a ABCTV show that I certainly couldn't afford myself. You 185 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: talk about having some apparatuses. What is a tactical pen? 186 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: What is that? So a tactical pen is one of 187 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: my favorite self defense tools, and basically what I like 188 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: to say is it's a pen on steroids. So it's 189 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: a regular writing pen. You know, you can carry it 190 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: around in your pocket and you're a briefcase and write 191 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: with it. But it's made of a much harder metal 192 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: and it's got a point on the end. So let's 193 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: say you were in a call, are went over a 194 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: bridge and you're sinking. You could smash a window out 195 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: with it, but also you could smash somebody else with it, 196 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: So you know, we talked about protecting women who are 197 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: walking around late at night. Guns are great, tasers are great, 198 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: but also down the line is if you didn't have 199 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: any of that, most of us are still going to 200 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: carry a pen. So you can walk around with a 201 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: pen in your hand. Meaning I can't walk around with 202 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: a gun in my hand. I can't walk around the 203 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: knife in my hand, but I can carry a pen 204 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: that way. If somebody does attack me, I can fight 205 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: the guy off with it. And we actually have students 206 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: who have fought drug dealers off with a tactical pen 207 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: who was trying to attack him at a gap like 208 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: James Bond all over again. Yeah, exactly, yep. Listen to 209 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at one am Eastern, 210 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: and go to Coast to Coast am dot com for 211 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: more