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Speaker 7: It is Wednesday, May first, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,
Speaker 7: episode number five. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.
Speaker 7: We are alive from this WVC Mortgage Studios at the Start,
Speaker 7: presented by LG and today we recap the NFL Draft.
Speaker 7: Cowboys had an interesting three days. We'll get into our
Speaker 7: thoughts on each of the different picks and what they
Speaker 7: bring to the Cowboys upsides and where there are risks
Speaker 7: and all those sorts of things. We'll go pick by pick,
Speaker 7: but before we go through that, just overall, and this
Speaker 7: is not again you don't have to get into the
Speaker 7: specifics of particular guys, but just overall, looking at how
Speaker 7: the Cowboys conducted themselves throughout the weekend.
Speaker 2: Well, your initial thoughts. Let's start first with you Patrick.
Speaker 5: Oh, I was gonna let the draft network.
Speaker 3: No, man, we're all good. You're the one that called
Speaker 3: that Detroit trade.
Speaker 2: He didn't call it out. We got to give him
Speaker 2: a little lot.
Speaker 5: So, first and foremost, thank you Cowboys for not only
Speaker 5: striking a trade in the first round, but you were
Speaker 5: able to still remain in position, striking position to be
Speaker 5: able to get a starting offensive lineman and that became
Speaker 5: Tyler Guyton. But then you were able to also parlay
Speaker 5: that into the seventy third overall pick, which became Cooper
Speaker 5: bb who I am a massive fan of. So yes,
Speaker 5: you lost Graham Barton, but losing Graham Barton picked you
Speaker 5: up guyten and BB. I can't be mad at that.
Speaker 5: So I think that the first round they handled it magnificently.
Speaker 5: They were even on the phone lines taking calls at
Speaker 5: pick twenty nine to consider moving back further, maybe thirty one,
Speaker 5: thirty two that had Kansas City on the phone. But
Speaker 5: I did say last week that I didn't see a
Speaker 5: scenario necessarily wherein they'd be comfortable moving out of the
Speaker 5: first round. Why because they wanted fifth year control. Because
Speaker 5: they're not typically an organization that gets deals done proactively.
Speaker 5: That fifth year of control comes into play as Stephen
Speaker 5: Jones about it post draft. He said, exactly absolutely, they
Speaker 5: want the fifth year, so got that on Tyler Guy,
Speaker 5: and I would have liked to see them come away
Speaker 5: with another trade back, try to get back or maybe
Speaker 5: get back into that fourth round. I wanted to see
Speaker 5: them use next year's draft collateral draft capital to be
Speaker 5: able to do that. They weren't comfortable doing that. That's
Speaker 5: one of my only knocks in that they let the
Speaker 5: fourth round go by without them getting into it, because
Speaker 5: what did that cost them? A running back? You saw
Speaker 5: that run on running backs in the fourth round, and
Speaker 5: that had to kill them to see that, and that
Speaker 5: led to them not drafting or running back at all.
Speaker 5: So those are my only knocks. But overall, when you
Speaker 5: look at what they came away with talk about Marshawnneeland,
Speaker 5: I think that although he's not one of the bigger
Speaker 5: names in this draft, which is why Cowboys fans are like,
Speaker 5: who's that guy? Go watch the film, there's a reason
Speaker 5: a guy like Dame Brugler had him ranked I believe
Speaker 5: thirty second in The Beast. If you don't subscribe to
Speaker 5: the Beast and you're missing out there, But overall, you
Speaker 5: triple down on the offensive line. You got yourself a
Speaker 5: quality linebacker, got yourself a sleeper and Ryan Floor. Now
Speaker 5: I like what they did. If they even got the
Speaker 5: big boy and Justin Rodgers in the seventh round. Granted
Speaker 5: that's a flyer, but he comes from a big program.
Speaker 5: He was impact for the big program in Auburn.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 5: I like it a lot.
Speaker 8: They coveted to tackle more than the center. They liked
Speaker 8: the linebacker more because of what they went through last
Speaker 8: year with the problems they had, more than the running back.
Speaker 8: They were able to recoup. Well, let me put it
Speaker 8: this way, they found the right right team to trade
Speaker 8: back with. Detroit was super aggressive in this draft and
Speaker 8: they were willing to give up an overpay to get there.
Speaker 8: They were giving up picks, multiple picks anyway to move
Speaker 8: around there. So to me, you know you're going in,
Speaker 8: you're trying to figure out, okay, how we're going to
Speaker 8: help you offensive line, How are you going to help
Speaker 8: the linebackers. I think that they did that with both
Speaker 8: their picks right there. I think instead of forcing a
Speaker 8: running back late by taking the corner from wake Forest,
Speaker 8: I think they showed great discipline there. This kid's a
Speaker 8: heck of a football player. And I know we're going
Speaker 8: to get into all these kids and talk about them,
Speaker 8: but overall, I think you have to give them a lot.
Speaker 3: Of credit.
Speaker 8: Their ability to be patient in some areas, their ability
Speaker 8: to work the phones, and their ability to grab players
Speaker 8: that they feel like can help them.
Speaker 3: Now, me personally, I love the Guide and Pick.
Speaker 8: I think I love the BB Pick more and I
Speaker 8: think bb is one of these guys. And we'll see,
Speaker 8: we'll see about the potential transition from the guard to
Speaker 8: the center. But if you talk about a guy that's
Speaker 8: in that mode of plug and play, Beebe's that guy,
Speaker 8: maybe a little bit more than Guidon is right now.
Speaker 8: Guiden's Guiden's good player, but he's just gonna need a
Speaker 8: little work in some areas.
Speaker 7: Yeah, That's one of the things I seem to have
Speaker 7: heard a lot as I've read different people's takes on
Speaker 7: the Guidan Pick is that he's a bit of a project.
Speaker 7: Whether that how much of a project he is not.
Speaker 8: To the not to the point of project where you
Speaker 8: would like, you're just gonna have to totally remake the.
Speaker 2: Kid, Right, He's just a couple of things, you got.
Speaker 8: There's there's some things that you're gonna have to deal
Speaker 8: with with the hands and the feet. But we heard
Speaker 8: the same thing about Tyler Smith, you know, because Tyler
Speaker 8: Smith led the nation and holding calls and it was
Speaker 8: his hands. A lot of his hands were you know,
Speaker 8: his hands were a little wonky at times. But but
Speaker 8: to your you know, I'm sorry, I mean to interrupt
Speaker 8: you there, but it's not that project where you're like, I,
Speaker 8: we're just taking a guy here and maybe we can
Speaker 8: make it work. Now this this guy's got a little
Speaker 8: lot of really good traits to his game.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And I say this on in the post draft pod
Speaker 5: and Ambar was there as well. Uh, money on the table.
Speaker 5: I believe Geten is you're starting left tackle when week
Speaker 5: one comes around. I think they put him through the
Speaker 5: crash course. I don't think this is a Massie Smith
Speaker 5: situation where they're like, okay, well you know, we have
Speaker 5: you learned behind the veteran in this situation, be like
Speaker 5: chewing when you dog or something like that. I think
Speaker 5: they throw gutting out there after this training camp and
Speaker 5: they say, hey, it's time for you to learn by
Speaker 5: hooker by crook how to play left tackle. But to
Speaker 5: his credit and like Brian is saying, he's not a
Speaker 5: completely raw prospect. Right. So, he has played effectively at
Speaker 5: the edge, albeit right tackle with Oklahoma, but in speaking
Speaker 5: with the young man, he said he prefers to play
Speaker 5: left tackle, which sounds like he wish he would have
Speaker 5: gotten more burned there at Oklahoma.
Speaker 7: So he was checking the blind side of the quarterback
Speaker 7: because it was a left handed question in this.
Speaker 5: Quarterback right right, So he sounds like a guy who's
Speaker 5: kind of tamping at the bit to get to left
Speaker 5: tackle because he actually wants to be on that side.
Speaker 5: So I could see him just soaking up every single
Speaker 5: thing that he can to make sure that he's effective.
Speaker 2: Here's the magical question.
Speaker 7: When you say you expect him to be the start
Speaker 7: of week one, is that because of his level of
Speaker 7: ability or is that because of the level of competition
Speaker 7: he will.
Speaker 5: Be left tackle? The answer is yes, yes.
Speaker 3: The answers yes, I think it's more you know, to me, yeah,
Speaker 3: it you could. I guess you could say yes there,
Speaker 3: But to.
Speaker 8: Me, I I don't think anybody at left tackle is
Speaker 8: proven right there.
Speaker 3: To me, that's that's where you know.
Speaker 8: They they clearly had a need to draft a tackle
Speaker 8: and they got one, and they you know, they they
Speaker 8: plug and play guys, and so we'll see. I mean,
Speaker 8: I'm I like the pick, I really really do.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 8: I was Fitanu was coming down the board that kid
Speaker 8: from Washington. I'm thought, man, the draft guys are about
Speaker 8: to throw.
Speaker 3: Them one here.
Speaker 8: You know this is this is a seedy lamb kind
Speaker 8: of about to come down the board at him, and
Speaker 8: it just didn't quite get there. But Guiden is a
Speaker 8: very very good uh selection for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And then when you think about it, and we talk
Speaker 5: a lot about Austin Richards for example, uh, and I
Speaker 5: don't know, right he's going into his second year. If
Speaker 5: and this is not to say awsome Richards cannot move
Speaker 5: forward and maybe be a quality swing tackle, but if
Speaker 5: they felt like he could be a starting tackle in
Speaker 5: the league effective or two, they wouldn't spent a first
Speaker 5: round draft pick on a tackle. So when you talk
Speaker 5: about the level of competition, it's your incoming first round
Speaker 5: pick versus former fifth round pick last year. Austin Richards,
Speaker 5: a veteran at chumy DOGA Matt will Letsko who has
Speaker 5: a high ceiling, but his shoulders don't like to play nice.
Speaker 5: Josh bald is going to be moved to the inside,
Speaker 5: So he's going to have a hill to climb because
Speaker 5: now he's going up against you know, the Tyler Smiths
Speaker 5: and the t J. Basses and the Broad Kaffins of
Speaker 5: the world, much like Bbie is going up against the
Speaker 5: broad Coffins of the world. So yeah, it's it's ability
Speaker 5: a high ceiling on guy in combination, I should say,
Speaker 5: with the fact that the competition just isn't as strong
Speaker 5: as as you know it probably could be. Otherwise.
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Speaker 7: we're talking about the draft, i'd like you to give
Speaker 7: me your general thoughts. Obviously don't have to go through
Speaker 7: play by player, We're going to do that in a second,
Speaker 7: but just overall, What were your thoughts on how the
Speaker 7: Cowboys approached the weekend.
Speaker 9: I think overall it's uh. I like the picks that
Speaker 9: they were able to make. I like the trade and
Speaker 9: the fact that they were able to get two players
Speaker 9: out of that trade, which was very important, especially at
Speaker 9: the position in the O line. And overall, other than
Speaker 9: the running back debate and dilemma there, I do like
Speaker 9: how they came out out of the draft. Now I'm
Speaker 9: hesitant to speak on and Guidon because and I don't
Speaker 9: know why, and I just I don't like the feeling
Speaker 9: or my opinion.
Speaker 10: I don't like my opinion right now.
Speaker 9: And every time everything I've heard from everybody, he has
Speaker 9: been very positive.
Speaker 10: Meeting the guy and listening to him. I love him.
Speaker 9: I absolutely love him, love him, love his personality, love
Speaker 9: the the will like you can just tell that he's
Speaker 9: gonna get out there on the field and really work, work, work,
Speaker 9: and work really hard to get to where.
Speaker 10: He needs to be.
Speaker 9: But something inside me, it's kind of very I don't
Speaker 9: feel great about it. And maybe it's because the amount
Speaker 9: of expectation, the amount of pressure that you're having to
Speaker 9: put behind a guy, and we've seen it before where mentally,
Speaker 9: it can really take a toll on you. And you
Speaker 9: can look physically look like the guy, the right guy,
Speaker 9: and this guy is his arms are freaking long, Like
Speaker 9: it's insane how big this guy is and the length
Speaker 9: length that he has. But something inside me is just
Speaker 9: very feels very uneasy easy because of the spot that
Speaker 9: he's having to be put in and the amount of
Speaker 9: pressure and sometimes yeah, we've we've seen it before and
Speaker 9: it just makes me uneasy, even though I hear people
Speaker 9: being very very excited to what he's bringing. And you
Speaker 9: love to hear a guy say, hey, I prefer play
Speaker 9: left tackle, which is.
Speaker 10: Great, but I don't know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I just so do you because I feel like and
Speaker 5: I understand exactly what you're saying. But when you look
Speaker 5: at the hit rate for Will McClay and the Will
Speaker 5: m clay.
Speaker 10: Era, that's another thing.
Speaker 5: Right, So yeah, brought has made a good point a
Speaker 5: few minutes ago when it comes to Tyler Smith. When
Speaker 5: Tyler Smith, when that was the pick cowboys got dragged
Speaker 5: on social media for that pick. Who's this kid and
Speaker 5: he leaves the nation in holding and he's coming from Tulane.
Speaker 5: That's not a program right.
Speaker 2: By the way the Cowboys are.
Speaker 7: The Cowboys are coming off a year where they were
Speaker 7: having issues withholding, and so it's like you're just making
Speaker 7: one probable word and whole and.
Speaker 5: Then what happens. Tyler Smith flies right out of the
Speaker 5: gate as a left guard and then he saves the day,
Speaker 5: helps save the day at left tackle, and then you
Speaker 5: put him back at left guard and he's an all pro.
Speaker 5: So and I mean, we're talking two years in, so
Speaker 5: I think when again, I understand the concern and we
Speaker 5: were just talking about our concerns as well when it
Speaker 5: comes to God. But I think the overall consensus is
Speaker 5: that not only does he have the physical ability to
Speaker 5: do it, not only does he have the will and
Speaker 5: the want to do it. Also I'd be remiss if
Speaker 5: I didn't mention his support system and just how strong
Speaker 5: his support system is and how much he's leaning on
Speaker 5: that to be great, not just at the NFL level,
Speaker 5: but there's this extra oomph by being the Cowboys. When
Speaker 5: having conversations with his father, Hell looking at seeing how
Speaker 5: emotional this father was at the pickup in the locker room,
Speaker 5: tears his dad laying on the start in the Star
Speaker 5: of Facilities, so I think when you have that type
Speaker 5: of support system kind of pushing him to be great,
Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think Tyler's going to settle
Speaker 5: for anything.
Speaker 9: That's also potentially add to the mental pressure of things.
Speaker 9: And again, maybe it's just that the anxiety and me
Speaker 9: and the panic person that I am in nature, because
Speaker 9: when you talk about the success that the Cowboys have
Speaker 9: had drafting linement O Linement specifically, it's been great. But
Speaker 9: in my mind, I'm like, well, what law of probability?
Speaker 9: At what point did they actually miss one? And again,
Speaker 9: I'm not trying to be pessimistic, and I want to
Speaker 9: be very optimistic about everything that he can bring in
Speaker 9: the trust that I put in Will McLay and his team.
Speaker 9: But since you guys are forcing me to be on
Speaker 9: the show and speak and speak something inside me right
Speaker 9: now at this moment, Yeah, still still fair.
Speaker 5: It is fair.
Speaker 8: I wonder where they have this is just me, the
Speaker 8: scout in me. I wonder where they had Tirian Arnold,
Speaker 8: the corner from Alabama.
Speaker 2: On their board that was the one who was picked
Speaker 2: by Detroit.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because I know on my board he was my
Speaker 8: seventh overall player. And if you were playing the game
Speaker 8: of best available player on the board, Terran Arnold would
Speaker 8: be and should have I mean, and if you were
Speaker 8: doing if you didn't have, say, you didn't have the
Speaker 8: need to tackle a corner cornerback. To me, you know,
Speaker 8: that was one of those things that all of a sudden,
Speaker 8: you're picking potentially at twenty four and maybe the seventh
Speaker 8: best players on your board, and you're like going they
Speaker 8: talk about the blinking light.
Speaker 3: To me, that was a blinking light if.
Speaker 8: You didn't have the need and maybe this first pick,
Speaker 8: this tackle pick was about need.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 7: But I think the need was was not necessarily just
Speaker 7: the or the overriding need was not just necessarily a
Speaker 7: boy just getting a tackle. I think the need was
Speaker 7: we need another pick. We got too many, we got
Speaker 7: too many holes we got to fill. We need options
Speaker 7: like and so I think for them, I think trading back.
Speaker 7: For me, even if you were going to look at
Speaker 7: someone like Terry and Arnold, the question becomes, would you
Speaker 7: take him or would you take two guys a tackle
Speaker 7: and the center potentially as opposed to taking the I think.
Speaker 8: If Troy Fatanu from Washington was on that board when
Speaker 8: at twenty four they wouldn't have got the seventy third
Speaker 8: pick gonna they were gonna hand that card in. They
Speaker 8: were gonna think, Okay, maybe we can do it some
Speaker 8: other way down the line. The fact that they were
Speaker 8: offered the seventy third pick, I think is a huge deal.
Speaker 8: But I think if a certain a certain player or
Speaker 8: two was there, I don't see them trading back.
Speaker 2: I will tell you this.
Speaker 7: Going into the draft, and we heard some some things
Speaker 7: that came out of the war room, it was it
Speaker 7: was a high percentage chance as far as the way
Speaker 7: they were looking at going into the draft that they
Speaker 7: were going to trade back.
Speaker 2: I think their.
Speaker 7: Expectation was, we are trading back and we're gonna find
Speaker 7: the right partner to be take an extra pick. And
Speaker 7: not only did they find the right partner, they found
Speaker 7: the right part of that got them that overpaid to
Speaker 7: come up so they could get a guy like Cooper Bebe.
Speaker 8: I had a Detroit fan argue with me though about
Speaker 8: this and any not argue, but made a point the
Speaker 8: overpay by the Lions actually for what it would have
Speaker 8: cost them to go from twenty nine to get Arnold
Speaker 8: say at seven.
Speaker 3: Is actually a deal. Yeah, no doubt they for the
Speaker 3: player that they got.
Speaker 8: You know, I was thinking about you know what, Yeah,
Speaker 8: it's overpay on the chart, But for Detroit to go
Speaker 8: from twenty nine to potentially where this guy was projected
Speaker 8: to being taken in the top ten, they got, They
Speaker 8: got a deal.
Speaker 7: You paid the price for a higher quality play. It
Speaker 7: did right, and it worked for everybody. I think this
Speaker 7: is one situation work for everywhere.
Speaker 5: And there's also the thing to consider in that, Yes,
Speaker 5: they ended up getting gout in offensive tackle, high area
Speaker 5: of need, but if Darius Robinson was still on the
Speaker 5: clock at twenty nine, was still on the board at
Speaker 5: twenty nine, there was a great chance they were going
Speaker 5: to pull the trigger on Darius Robinson. They were very
Speaker 5: very high on him, and I'm told that was a discussion.
Speaker 5: He was in that discussion as well, So keep that
Speaker 5: in mind, ladies and gentlemen. But he went off the
Speaker 5: board at twenty seven. So that kind of solved the
Speaker 5: problem there for the Cowboys, and there was guy in
Speaker 5: steering them in the face.
Speaker 7: So all right, we're gonna take our first break when
Speaker 7: we come back. We've talked a little bit about Tyler
Speaker 7: guid and we're going to go through this list of
Speaker 7: the other picks that the Cowboys made and give you
Speaker 7: some scottery reports on what we think of these other picks.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's let's go through this list.
Speaker 7: I want to throw out a name and then I
Speaker 7: want you guys to kind of give me your thoughts.
Speaker 7: On the pick, what you think of it, and you
Speaker 7: know whether you think it's a good pick for the Cowboys,
Speaker 7: and what you see in that player that could be
Speaker 7: good or bad. Let's start first the second pick, number
Speaker 7: fifty six overall defensive end, Marshawn Neeland out of Western Michigan.
Speaker 5: Great pick, here's your here's your DeMarcus Lawrence clo In
Speaker 5: my eyes, this this guy is he has some work
Speaker 5: to do and to be consistent in pass rushing off
Speaker 5: of the edge. He's shown signs obviously that he can
Speaker 5: be disruptive in that capacity, but boy does he know
Speaker 5: how to seal the edge against the run. So absolutely
Speaker 5: bring it on some of those. I expect that he's
Speaker 5: going to glue himself to the Marcus Lawrence, and I
Speaker 5: think that that's going to be his role going forward.
Speaker 5: I absolutely love it.
Speaker 8: Really strong, not a bendy guy. So to me, this
Speaker 8: is where all of a sudden we blame linebackers and
Speaker 8: defensive tackles for poor run defense. They said, the hell
Speaker 8: with that, We're going to sign a guy that can
Speaker 8: play the edges. They need to get better on the
Speaker 8: edges playing against the run, and this guy can do that. Though,
Speaker 8: like I said, he is going to have to develop
Speaker 8: some pass rush skills, the effort, the chase, all that,
Speaker 8: though you know he's just not His first step is
Speaker 8: really good, but he needs to find a way to
Speaker 8: carry that to the corner. And like I said, he's
Speaker 8: not the bendiest guy. When I think of Lawrence greg Ellis,
Speaker 8: who was compared to kind of some stiffness in both
Speaker 8: the way, especially with Ellis, but Ellis could get the
Speaker 8: corner and then close it. This kid, I think is
Speaker 8: going to have to work to get to the corner.
Speaker 8: But playing run defense, if he's not going to give
Speaker 8: anything up playing run defense, he's just that powerful of
Speaker 8: a guy.
Speaker 9: Based on the plays that I did watch from him,
Speaker 9: something that stood out to me is his awareness, like
Speaker 9: football awareness, where he can keep an eye and be
Speaker 9: aware exactly kind of where the play is going or
Speaker 9: where the ball is going, which is something that I've
Speaker 9: seen with some of the defensive players in the past
Speaker 9: that they struggle with sometimes of just kind of keeping
Speaker 9: up with the speed. And I think he's a guy
Speaker 9: that has shown again on the plays that I've watched,
Speaker 9: that he can kind of keep up and we'll see
Speaker 9: if that easily translates for like NFL speed, which.
Speaker 10: Is a lot faster.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: The one thing that pops out to me is the
Speaker 7: one play, one play why I should say the one
Speaker 7: play one play that I saw from him a was
Speaker 7: particularly impressive. I think is floating around the internet is
Speaker 7: one where get the Diowa game where he beats his guy,
Speaker 7: gets off him and then just decapitates the running back
Speaker 7: and the running backs running kind of up the a gap.
Speaker 7: So it's it's kind of that's what you're looking for
Speaker 7: in this run game because so often what we saw
Speaker 7: from the Cowboys is guys kind of hold their they
Speaker 7: can't get off their blocks. The running back finds a
Speaker 7: gap scene and he's in it and he's gone. And
Speaker 7: in this sense, I love the fact he was able
Speaker 7: to shed, get down the line and actually make the tackle.
Speaker 7: That's something I think the Cowboys sorely need when it
Speaker 7: comes to their their run defense.
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to pick number the third round.
Speaker 2: Pick pick number seventy three was up.
Speaker 7: Oh, you're talking about come over Cooper BB, offensive lineman
Speaker 7: from Kansas State. The expectation is he will be a
Speaker 7: guy that they will slide into the center position.
Speaker 5: Your thoughts Heart Aye Emoji Cooper bb Is. He's a
Speaker 5: he's a mauler, he's a road greater. You know, one
Speaker 5: of the reasons that he was available in the third
Speaker 5: round would be you look at something like his His
Speaker 5: wingspans not the longest, his arms aren't the longest. But
Speaker 5: he was effective at tackle for Kansas State. He showed
Speaker 5: he can do that. I don't think that he has
Speaker 5: the arm and wingspan to be able to do that
Speaker 5: at the NFL level, but this is a guy who's
Speaker 5: played all five spots on the offensive line and can
Speaker 5: do it. We mentioned a little bit earlier about will
Speaker 5: he be asked to take on the center road with Dallas.
Speaker 5: I believe upfront Will he's already taking reps at center
Speaker 5: as far as preparation goes with our good friend Duke Miniweather.
Speaker 5: So he's already in preparation for that. But when you
Speaker 5: talk about physical stature, he is a unit and he
Speaker 5: has a demeanor that is visceral and brutal, and he
Speaker 5: wants to in his own words, he likes to quote
Speaker 5: dirt guys. He wants to beat those guys sense lists
Speaker 5: that are trying to come at him. So over the
Speaker 5: course of four quarters. They just don't want to see
Speaker 5: him anymore. That's the kind of demeanor the Cowboys have
Speaker 5: been lacking at center. But also even when you look
Speaker 5: at Tyler Byadish, one of the biggest knocks on Biadish
Speaker 5: was strength issues. Strength issues. We can sit here and
Speaker 5: say that Cooper B. B doesn't have the longest arms.
Speaker 5: With the power that's in those arms in his hands,
Speaker 5: it will more than get the job done for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5: I could not love this pick more than I do.
Speaker 8: He's an old school offensive lineman guys I used to
Speaker 8: watch when I was a kid back in the.
Speaker 3: Seventies, in the eighties growing up.
Speaker 8: He gets real close to you, and he is he
Speaker 8: doesn't have the arm link to really to extend on you.
Speaker 8: But where he does is he once he gets a
Speaker 8: hold of you, he is going to maul you. And
Speaker 8: you would think that at six three three twenty two
Speaker 8: he would have problems getting to the second level with
Speaker 8: foot quickness.
Speaker 3: And a balance in those things. Not at all.
Speaker 8: I mean, he can, he can hitch you, he can
Speaker 8: target guys. He's got accuracy with the way he finds
Speaker 8: his guys. He's a little bit of a push shove blocker.
Speaker 8: Like I say, when you get real close to somebody,
Speaker 8: that's how you're gonna play. But he will knock down
Speaker 8: as many defenders as he can on a given play.
Speaker 8: I've seen him like secure down linemen and then get
Speaker 8: to the second level and knock another guy down there.
Speaker 8: So we'll have to see, Like I say, the center
Speaker 8: part of it's gonna be a little different from him
Speaker 8: because here he's coming out of a stance and going
Speaker 8: in and executing snapping the ball, stepping and then going
Speaker 8: will be something that he's done before in his career.
Speaker 8: But now he's gonna have to get back on that
Speaker 8: horse though, and play it at a much higher level.
Speaker 9: I don't judge people by their looks, but it's always hilarious.
Speaker 10: But it's always hilarious to me when you see Linement
Speaker 10: that their.
Speaker 9: Face is just so innocent, like Anna.
Speaker 10: On the field. And that's the thing.
Speaker 9: You see pictures of him, you see videos of him
Speaker 9: just like not playing and it's like okay, bro, like
Speaker 9: who are you?
Speaker 10: What are you gonna do?
Speaker 9: And then you watch the plays on the field and
Speaker 9: this guy is so aggressive and that's exactly what you
Speaker 9: need from in lignment. He's so aggressive, aggressive, does not
Speaker 9: give up on the play and will literally stop once
Speaker 9: the whistle stopped, like once it hears that, okay, but
Speaker 9: he just it's it's amazing. And by the way, just
Speaker 9: to give you guys an insight, when that pak was made,
Speaker 9: everybody here in the office was going crazy watching the
Speaker 9: highlights watch.
Speaker 10: So that's very very exciting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll tell you this from from my perspective watching
Speaker 7: him when he played the Longhorns last year, which that
Speaker 7: was the strength of our team, was our defensive tackles,
Speaker 7: and he did a really good job against those I
Speaker 7: don't know that I saw another team do as well
Speaker 7: against those two guys all year.
Speaker 3: The West Virginia Center.
Speaker 8: Fraser has a pretty nice day against those guys, and
Speaker 8: that's why you would like talk about him as a
Speaker 8: as a guy as you would have possibly have drafted.
Speaker 7: But I just thought the way he handled physically, and
Speaker 7: those are big guys, I mean, both those guys are
Speaker 7: really big, very powerful, and he handled them pretty well.
Speaker 7: And I think that's what what turned me on to
Speaker 7: Cooper Beebe and I love that. I love also the
Speaker 7: idea that they're getting a little bit meaner. That was
Speaker 7: one of the things actually with Geyton, he said in
Speaker 7: his press conference, they asked him about playing next to
Speaker 7: Tyler Smith, and he said, the thing I love the
Speaker 7: most about Tyler Smith is that.
Speaker 2: He plays with the nastiess.
Speaker 7: He says, I like to play like that too, and
Speaker 7: so I'm thinking, Okay, that gives me another guy that
Speaker 7: plays nasty like Tyler, and then you give me a
Speaker 7: center that plays nasty like that, and obviously just the
Speaker 7: skill of a Martin and Still who also can be
Speaker 7: a little nasty when he wants to be as well.
Speaker 7: I love the nastiness of this offensive line in a
Speaker 7: season where, let's be honest, like they're gonna need to
Speaker 7: block really well if this running game is gonna get
Speaker 7: off the ground, and so I love that.
Speaker 5: A lother thing that Cooper BB does exceptionally well is
Speaker 5: run blocking. He will carve lanes and like Ambar said,
Speaker 5: he'll knock the first guy in the dirt and then
Speaker 5: he's on the hunt for the second guy. He's at
Speaker 5: the second level. So in that aspect, he reminds me
Speaker 5: of like what Lyle Collins would do. When you'd see
Speaker 5: Lyle Collins running down the field almost with the running back.
Speaker 5: That's Cooper BB. He wants to get his hands dirty.
Speaker 7: All right, Let's go to the second pick of the
Speaker 7: third round, who was picked number eighty seven, lineback of
Speaker 7: marist Lea Foule from Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?
Speaker 5: I like it, and the Cowboys did not want to
Speaker 5: risk losing him by moving back out of that spot
Speaker 5: or by taking a running back there, because they felt like,
Speaker 5: obviously when they went back on the clock that he
Speaker 5: would not be available. This is a young man with
Speaker 5: an exceptional wing span. I'm going to also read from
Speaker 5: my skeleting reporting him here eighty six percent tile and
Speaker 5: arm length. Not the fastest guy out there, but also
Speaker 5: not the slowest. He's four to six plus in the
Speaker 5: forty which, as far as linebackers in this classgow seventieth percentile,
Speaker 5: so he's far above average there. His demeanor is gruesome,
Speaker 5: like he wants to get it in. He wants to
Speaker 5: tap in on every single play. Covers extremely well. My
Speaker 5: only concern with him is that he needs to learn
Speaker 5: how to drop gears when it's time to drop gil gear.
Speaker 5: Some of his pursuit angles lead to over pursuit because
Speaker 5: he's trying so desperately to get to the play that
Speaker 5: he kind of gets caught at the wrong angle. But
Speaker 5: if he can kind of refine those skills, I think
Speaker 5: he can be a player for the Cowboys, definitely. Sideline.
Speaker 5: Sideline reminds me of what Overshown brings to the table
Speaker 5: as far as like that that long rangey cover guy.
Speaker 5: But when when Maris gets his hands on you and
Speaker 5: when he can make contact, he really wants you to
Speaker 5: remember who just hit you. And that's that's that Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 5: I think Mike Zimmer sees that in him, and that's
Speaker 5: where he's going to come into play.
Speaker 8: He's a traditional off ball linebacker and you can use
Speaker 8: him as an edge rusher as well. He plays with
Speaker 8: physicality and a sense of urgency to his game. He's
Speaker 8: got the size of the functional strength. I think he's maxed
Speaker 8: out though at six two, two thirty four. I don't
Speaker 8: think he's going to get much bigger.
Speaker 2: Than is that undersize or is that okay?
Speaker 8: That's okay, that's okay for right now. And you know,
Speaker 8: the thing about him is though he's got good patience
Speaker 8: and he's got disciplined in the way he diagnoses. He
Speaker 8: doesn't take many false steps as a player, there's some
Speaker 8: explosive power to the way he plays when he steps
Speaker 8: up and he fills. He's fast in pursuit, and you
Speaker 8: know he'll chase ball carriers down where he I like
Speaker 8: him too. You can use him in coverage. You know,
Speaker 8: you could see him. He'll carry tight ends, he'll take
Speaker 8: backs in the flat. Those are the types of things.
Speaker 8: He's kind of got some completeness to his game that way.
Speaker 8: The thing about him as a tackler is though he
Speaker 8: will wrap up. There's a lot of times you see
Speaker 8: him in space he'll wrap up and do a good
Speaker 8: job of that. Then other times you'll see him kind
Speaker 8: of miss and so he needs to be a little
Speaker 8: bit more consistent in that area. But he does a
Speaker 8: great job of getting to the football.
Speaker 9: I have mixed opinions on him because even though Brian
Speaker 9: you said the size is good personally for me, I
Speaker 9: like my linebackers a little bit bigger and and I'm
Speaker 9: exactly and I'm already kind of missing that from Overshawn,
Speaker 9: Like we haven't seen him yet.
Speaker 10: I haven't seen him recently, so I don't know how.
Speaker 2: I think he can put on some weight.
Speaker 7: I think he is frame and can carry a little
Speaker 7: bit more overshon put on way.
Speaker 10: I haven't seen him recently, so I don't know how days.
Speaker 5: And he looks good.
Speaker 10: Okay, that's good.
Speaker 5: That's good, like it looks good well, and energy is great.
Speaker 5: He can't wait to get back up.
Speaker 8: The thing with Mike is Mike will play with a
Speaker 8: linebacker because he did it with Dak Wynn and Dexter Kochley.
Speaker 8: If you're small, Mike needs you to be small, smart
Speaker 8: and quick with their thoughts on how to play. He
Speaker 8: Mike can't use you if if you're small and you
Speaker 8: don't play that way with instincts and quickness of thinking,
Speaker 8: he won't.
Speaker 3: He won't play you.
Speaker 8: So this kid kind of fits into the bill of
Speaker 8: being able to think and react the way you need
Speaker 8: to do it. So I mean to me, this is
Speaker 8: the one point in the draft, though, where I had
Speaker 8: two running backs on the board and I was thinking, Okay,
Speaker 8: you drafted two offensive linemen. Now go fix this running game.
Speaker 8: Now go get Lloyd from USC, or go get right
Speaker 8: from Tennessee. You know that's where I That's where I
Speaker 8: would have gone. But I understand what they did here.
Speaker 8: We interviewed day three of the draft. We interviewed Scott McCurley,
Speaker 8: the linebackers coach. He didn't want to go through that.
Speaker 8: He said, Hey, God bless Marquise Bell for the way
Speaker 8: he played, you know, God bless all those guys for
Speaker 8: stepping in. They ran out of linebackers. They were sure
Speaker 8: at that spot and it affected the way they play.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 8: The picks they made with Neelan and this kid, they're
Speaker 8: gonna try and help themselves in the running game.
Speaker 5: And also keep in mind, this is a book Cats
Speaker 5: Award semi finalists from last year. So for anyone who's
Speaker 5: wondering if this kid, just generally speaking, if this kid
Speaker 5: can play, he can absolutely play. You don't get that
Speaker 5: far in the book Case Award nomination if you don't
Speaker 5: know how to impact games.
Speaker 8: They had two good linebackers there, kid Bertrand got picked
Speaker 8: a little bit later in the draft. But you watch
Speaker 8: Notre Dame's linebackers, they're downhill players.
Speaker 9: Well, something that we talked about quite a lot last
Speaker 9: year as far as some of the issues on the
Speaker 9: defense was the lack of size and just those types
Speaker 9: of matchups where you have the right amount of power
Speaker 9: and size to go up against some of those offensive
Speaker 9: players last year. But either way, I think and this
Speaker 9: is something that I'm gonna have to learn. That is
Speaker 9: what Mike Zimmer is going to bring to the table.
Speaker 9: And every coach has a different for different body types
Speaker 9: and player preferences for those guys, So we'll see how
Speaker 9: he exactly fits in. But definitely a good pick in
Speaker 9: the sense that it does address the linebacker position, which
Speaker 9: for me, I saw it a bigger need there rather
Speaker 9: than the running back. And I know that's a debatable topic,
Speaker 9: but yeah, happy with it.
Speaker 7: All right, we're gonna take our final break, we'll come back.
Speaker 7: We'll get through the rest of these picks that when
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Speaker 7: in We've got the fifth, sixth, and two seventh round
Speaker 7: picks that we need to talk about. Let's start with
Speaker 7: the fifth round pick, pick number one, seventy four, defensive
Speaker 7: back Kaylin Carson out of Wake Forest.
Speaker 5: What do we know. I'll make this real quick, great athlete,
Speaker 5: great value for the Cowboys. Here two way player, former
Speaker 5: two way player. He played wide receiver and cornerback in
Speaker 5: his recent football career. Full four two i'm sorry, full
Speaker 5: four to eight second forty yard dash, which is comparable
Speaker 5: to what Trayvon Diggs did. I think Trayvon was a
Speaker 5: full four to two, full four three something like that.
Speaker 5: So not the fastest, but definitely not slow as well.
Speaker 5: He's going to be somebody who can be disruptive with
Speaker 5: both his catch radius when you talk about his arms.
Speaker 5: Doesn't have the biggest hands, but he can be there
Speaker 5: at the point of attack nearly every time. He's frustrating
Speaker 5: to cornerback I'm sorry to route receivers because he likes
Speaker 5: the press, he likes to get his hands dirty. He'll
Speaker 5: get up on you at the line of scrimmage and
Speaker 5: make that route a little bit difficult to get off
Speaker 5: of on the release. So overall and at the same
Speaker 5: time because he was formerly a wide receiver, not unlike
Speaker 5: Trayvon Diggs. He can diagnose quarterbacks reads in real time,
Speaker 5: probably faster than most traditional cornerbacks can. So I like
Speaker 5: this big.
Speaker 8: Watch the Florida State game man. They got some cats
Speaker 8: that can play over on that other side, big time
Speaker 8: receivers over there, and he was up to the task.
Speaker 8: You know, he's a very competitive, he's a fiery guy.
Speaker 8: The way he plays, he's quick footed. He plays is
Speaker 8: what we call field corner, and a field corner plays
Speaker 8: the whole open side of the field. You hear boundary
Speaker 8: corners and scouting and you hear field corners. Jerry Madaline
Speaker 8: so proud of me right now, Yeah, and he is so.
Speaker 8: But a boundary corner uses the sidelines. Field corner uses
Speaker 8: the field. So what you're going to have to do
Speaker 8: is you carry the whole field, so you carry all
Speaker 8: those routes. This kid's got the ability. He could play
Speaker 8: both sides. But what you want to do with him
Speaker 8: is maybe think about him with a slot corner. Where
Speaker 8: he's gonna have to improve is he will get his
Speaker 8: hands on balls, he will knock down passes and stuff
Speaker 8: like that. He's got to do a better job of
Speaker 8: intercepting the passes and so you know he's but he's
Speaker 8: a very willing tackler. He's he's right on the spot
Speaker 8: when he does that. The link demeanor is very very good.
Speaker 8: I love the way he plays.
Speaker 3: The inbreaking routes.
Speaker 8: You get those inbreaking routes and you have somebody that
Speaker 8: can carry in breaking routes as a corner those are
Speaker 8: the guys you want to play with on your team.
Speaker 8: This guy's was a really nice pick for them.
Speaker 9: Well, another thing is his special team's ability and what
Speaker 9: he brings there. And it's going to be interesting because
Speaker 9: now with the new rules on punts and kicking and
Speaker 9: all that, you got to change up and you need
Speaker 9: guys to help with all of that. So I think
Speaker 9: it's a good pick. You know, need to see more
Speaker 9: from him, but not bad.
Speaker 7: Everything I've seen and heard about him is very very positive.
Speaker 7: My question becomes why was he available in the fifth round?
Speaker 3: You know what there was.
Speaker 8: It was one of the deepest drafts of cornerbacks that
Speaker 8: I think I've been a part of. And I know
Speaker 8: I got to the point O eisham Worse and I
Speaker 8: were laughing about it. Felt like you looked at thirty corners,
Speaker 8: you know, and this sometimes, like you say, there's there's
Speaker 8: different traits for players that I think where you look
Speaker 8: at him, maybe people dingmed him on the ball skills,
Speaker 8: maybe they deemed him a little bit on the speed.
Speaker 8: But to me, you know, I just I even said
Speaker 8: it on the Draft show when they made the pick,
Speaker 8: I'm like, now they're back on track, you know. I
Speaker 8: was kind of thinking, you know, I didn't want them
Speaker 8: just to reach on running back, yead. The last thing
Speaker 8: I wanted him to do is just Okay, we're going
Speaker 8: to take a running back because we have to take.
Speaker 3: A running back. No, they took a legitimate player here
Speaker 3: that can help them. I just said.
Speaker 8: I but the depth of the position, the ball skills,
Speaker 8: and maybe a little bit of his.
Speaker 3: Speed might have got people off him a little all right.
Speaker 7: In the sixth round, Cowboys that pick number two sixteen
Speaker 7: select wide receiver Ryan Flinoy out of Southeast Missouri.
Speaker 5: What do we know? Freak athlete, absolute freak of an
Speaker 5: athlete For those that subscribe to the relative athletic scale,
Speaker 5: which is one to ten athletics and four prospects coming
Speaker 5: in that measured against the database of other prospects in
Speaker 5: previous years. Nine point eight eight. Yeah, nine point eight
Speaker 5: eight on the scale of one to ten. He is
Speaker 5: an absolute freak. And he's also going to come in
Speaker 5: and immediately challenged to be your Michael Galluper replacement.
Speaker 3: He jumping over the young guy.
Speaker 5: He has the size and he can go up and
Speaker 5: go over smaller cornerbacks, small smaller defensive backs at the
Speaker 5: point of attech. He attacks with violence, much like Michael
Speaker 5: Gallup did. He has the footwork to be able to
Speaker 5: get his feet down much like Michael Gallup did. So
Speaker 5: we talk a lot about, you know, Jaylen Tobert, hopefully
Speaker 5: saying more opportunities and things like that. Well, news for
Speaker 5: Jaylen Tobert is that he's going to have some real
Speaker 5: competition here with a guy like Florida.
Speaker 3: Yeah. This guy is a great looking player physically.
Speaker 8: And I'll side a question here because of I like
Speaker 8: Brandon Rice of us, Jerry SI's son. Yeah, this is
Speaker 8: where and they don't give a damn what I think.
Speaker 8: But you know, my board the way I had it
Speaker 8: when we were talking about the draft, I was like,
Speaker 8: maybe I would consider Rice at this point, but Florinoy
Speaker 8: is h He's one of these guys. He's a good
Speaker 8: looking player physically six twenties two h two. I've seen them,
Speaker 8: you know, I've seen him catch the.
Speaker 3: Ball behind him.
Speaker 8: He'll gather himself and then get into the end zone.
Speaker 8: He's really he's got natural hands. He thrives on the
Speaker 8: underneath routes and the ability to catch the ball in
Speaker 8: the move. He's got no issues with that. He's really
Speaker 8: a natural pass catcher.
Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit.
Speaker 8: Of a downside on him is the' be twenty five
Speaker 8: years old later in the season, so you know, but
Speaker 8: the development there. You know, we talk about players that
Speaker 8: end up like at Southeast Missouri and at places like that.
Speaker 3: I have no trouble with that. You know.
Speaker 8: Jerry Rice went to school at Mississippi Valley, Walter Payton
Speaker 8: went to school at Jackson State. Players play, you go
Speaker 8: find him, is what you do. I think maybe some
Speaker 8: people in the in the Big twelve might have missed
Speaker 8: this kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, some people might have.
Speaker 8: He probably should have been playing at one of these,
Speaker 8: uh one of these Power five schools. But here he
Speaker 8: is at Southeast Missouri. He physically, like I say, he's
Speaker 8: a great looking kid and he can catch the football.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're not gonna out muscle him. You're not going
Speaker 5: to out athlete him. Might be getsnocked to him. Was
Speaker 5: he just needs to refine his route running, which isn't
Speaker 5: unheard of when you're talking about a prototypical X receiver
Speaker 5: Michael Gallat That was one of the things that he
Speaker 5: needed to work on. So if this kid can come
Speaker 5: in and add route running to his arsenal and his size,
Speaker 5: he can be lethal.
Speaker 3: He doesn't run many routes right.
Speaker 10: Yeah, super super athletic.
Speaker 9: Of everything I saw from him, I absolutely liked, especially
Speaker 9: like his hand and he What's going to be interesting
Speaker 9: is what happens with how everything sorts out during training
Speaker 9: camp and all of that, because I do think this
Speaker 9: guy has a legitimate chance of competing for a spot.
Speaker 10: But are you.
Speaker 9: Willing to make a big move like that if you're
Speaker 9: the coaching staff and give him a less experienced guy
Speaker 9: over the guys that they have.
Speaker 10: I'm blanking out on his name. No, No, totally. The
Speaker 10: other one that we love, Yes, Jalen Jalen Brooks. That's
Speaker 10: a guy to watch.
Speaker 9: Yes, he's shown some things, so I'm curious to see
Speaker 9: what happens and how things get sorted out, but love
Speaker 9: the pick.
Speaker 3: All right, real quick.
Speaker 7: We got two more picks we need to get to both.
Speaker 7: In the seventh round, we had picked two thirty three,
Speaker 7: we had offensive tackle Nathan Thomas out of Louisiana Lafayette,
Speaker 7: and then it picked two forty four defensive tackle Justin
Speaker 7: Rodgers out of Auburn, giving me his ear your thoughts
Speaker 7: on those two players.
Speaker 5: Real quick. On Nathan Thomas, this is the Cowboys tripling
Speaker 5: down on the offensive line. This is a fairly athletic
Speaker 5: kid considering his size. He has the arm length and
Speaker 5: he has versatility as well. He can play tackle, he
Speaker 5: can play some guard. Wondering if the Cowboys are going
Speaker 5: to play him more interior next year. We'll see how
Speaker 5: that goes. But his power in his hands is insane.
Speaker 5: Once he gets his hands on a would be pass
Speaker 5: rusher or defensive line and it's just a rap. Once
Speaker 5: he engages with you, he's going to steer you like
Speaker 5: a car. Basically, biggest knock to him is he just
Speaker 5: needs to improve his lateral movement. And that's why I
Speaker 5: could see them the Cowboys possibly moving him in to
Speaker 5: see what he has there. But if they well find
Speaker 5: that lateral movement, then yeah, he can be a viable
Speaker 5: swing tackle for you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the thing about him was he probably went much higher.
Speaker 8: There's a medical condition about him that some teams kind
Speaker 8: of came off of there. But the upper body strength,
Speaker 8: the power. He's really good at setting away from the
Speaker 8: line of scrimmage. And you watch him in the running
Speaker 8: game when he plays in space for a man that big,
Speaker 8: he does a great job of finding this guy and
Speaker 8: then being able to eliminate that. You see him on
Speaker 8: the reaches, the scoop block, stuff like that. He's got
Speaker 8: the athletic ability to make those types of plays.
Speaker 9: He has the physique for sure, the size, and I
Speaker 9: love the versatility that he can bring where he can
Speaker 9: play guard and tackle. But I was surprised that they
Speaker 9: went for another offensive lineman. Again, I'm no draft expert.
Speaker 9: I don't know who else was available that could have
Speaker 9: been better, but I will say I was surprised that
Speaker 9: they went for another alignment there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, at that point, you're trying to just get guys
Speaker 7: traits right, and you're trying to see if we can
Speaker 7: turn those traits into players.
Speaker 5: And this is what were you try to avoid because
Speaker 5: if you have these guys picked this high priority undrafted
Speaker 5: free agents and you're in the seventh throne. On your
Speaker 5: final pick, you just go ahead and pull that trigger
Speaker 5: to keep them from possibly negotiating and leave it for
Speaker 5: another team.
Speaker 7: And the ones you think you have the least amount
Speaker 7: of opportunity to be able to sign as under free agents. Right,
Speaker 7: so the ones that you think are going to be
Speaker 7: more highly coveded, you go ahead and pick those, or
Speaker 7: you think for whatever reason they would not want to
Speaker 7: come to your team, whether there's you know, a lot
Speaker 7: of depth and they don't think they'd have a shot
Speaker 7: like those are the kind of picks you just make,
Speaker 7: make them come exactly. And finally talk about Justin Rodgers
Speaker 7: out of Auburn. What are you looking at there?
Speaker 8: He was the last one that you could have taken
Speaker 8: that had that size, that one technique size. There's a
Speaker 8: couple of him and Anderson from a Florida Atlantic were
Speaker 8: the last two guys, So there you go.
Speaker 3: Size.
Speaker 8: He's you know Patrick was talking about you know, you
Speaker 8: talked about where he played in the in the SEC
Speaker 8: at Auburn, physical player, point of attack transfer from Kentucky.
Speaker 8: You know they've kind of they've kind of looking for
Speaker 8: that type of guy, but he was the very last
Speaker 8: one that you could have drafted that could have probably
Speaker 8: helped you at one technique playing at that size.
Speaker 5: This is one of those rare times where looking at
Speaker 5: his athleticism as it goes to the ras the relative
Speaker 5: athletic score, I was actually excited that it was like
Speaker 5: one point eight. The reason I was excited is because
Speaker 5: this is simply a guy that's just under six '
Speaker 5: three and he is absolutely massive. I don't care if
Speaker 5: he's athletic. He's going to eat up double teams and
Speaker 5: that's what you need your nose tackle to do. He
Speaker 5: has the hand strength to be able to not only
Speaker 5: eat them up with power through and push the interior
Speaker 5: of the pocket. I think that this is and I
Speaker 5: could see why they didn't want to risk him to
Speaker 5: undraft a free agency. He has a very real opportunity.
Speaker 5: With Carl Davis was resigned, that's wonderful. Shouts out to
Speaker 5: Carl Davis. But if you're talking about a player, especially
Speaker 5: a flyer pick, which is the seventh round, who has
Speaker 5: the ability to possibly come in as early as this
Speaker 5: training camp and push to be you know the guy
Speaker 5: behind Mazzi Smith or and also show Mazzi Smith what
Speaker 5: you know. Remind Mozzi Smith what it means to play
Speaker 5: nose tackle, get your weight back up Mazzi's myth and
Speaker 5: you know, get off the ball quickly and things like that. Obviously,
Speaker 5: there's some some downsides to him, but this is just
Speaker 5: a massive human being who loves to get his hands dirty.
Speaker 5: And there's a reason Will McClay called him big nasty
Speaker 5: and I love that well.
Speaker 10: I was talking about size and.
Speaker 9: Playing there, and he'll take off some size and he's
Speaker 9: also good with stopping the run and he has some
Speaker 9: experience there, which is something that you currently like. So Grant,
Speaker 9: I think it was a great pick, and surprisingly to me,
Speaker 9: after watching some of his plays, I was surprised he
Speaker 9: was still just there sitting waiting for someone to pick him.
Speaker 8: It was a thin that was a thin group that
Speaker 8: one technique and there's a couple of guys that were there.
Speaker 3: Boy I could say he was there was there were
Speaker 3: several that were.
Speaker 8: Drafted, and then he was really the last one that
Speaker 8: you could have said, Okay, this guy has a chance
Speaker 8: to help a team.
Speaker 5: One of the only knocks I had against him really
Speaker 5: quickly was that sometimes he can get high in his stance,
Speaker 5: and he just needs to understand and get more consistent
Speaker 5: and standing low in his stance, because if he can
Speaker 5: do that, then his momentum will continue to be devastating
Speaker 5: upon impact. Once he gets a little tall in his stance,
Speaker 5: he it's easier to move him around. So that's one thing.
Speaker 5: But something that I came across and shout out to
Speaker 5: Dan Brugler does magnificent work with funding these little tidbits.
Speaker 5: This kid, this prospect, this young man received a scholarship
Speaker 5: from Kentucky as an eighth grader. So if you want
Speaker 5: to as an eighth grade what as an eighth.
Speaker 2: Grade that means he had the size back in Yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll take him.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 10: I've never heard of him.
Speaker 5: Yes, So if you want to know what the ceiling
Speaker 5: is on this big monstrous nose tackle in eighth grade,
Speaker 5: the University of Kentucky gave him a scholar You.
Speaker 2: Can't teach size, you can't. All right, Well, appreciate you, guys.
Speaker 5: Jones.
Speaker 7: We'll be back next week. We'll talk a little bit
Speaker 7: more about this running back position. Cowboys pick up Ezekiel Elliott. Elliott,
Speaker 7: We'll talk about how he fits into this as this
Speaker 7: backfield and what other things that Cowboys may be expected
Speaker 7: to do at some point here, either before the season
Speaker 7: or during the season. We'll talk about that next week.
Speaker 7: Till then, for Patrick Walker, Brian brought us in Ambergarci.
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