WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Pick of the Litter

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<v Speaker 1>The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 1>and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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<v Speaker 2>Cowboys, Let's go.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you ready for a break?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you ready for a break?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely? Ready for a break?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and so much for that.

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<v Speaker 6>It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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<v Speaker 6>with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought us, Patrick Walker, and Derek Eagleton.

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<v Speaker 7>It is Wednesday, May first, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,

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<v Speaker 7>episode number five. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.

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<v Speaker 7>We are alive from this WVC Mortgage Studios at the Start,

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<v Speaker 7>presented by LG and today we recap the NFL Draft.

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<v Speaker 7>Cowboys had an interesting three days. We'll get into our

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<v Speaker 7>thoughts on each of the different picks and what they

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<v Speaker 7>bring to the Cowboys upsides and where there are risks

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<v Speaker 7>and all those sorts of things. We'll go pick by pick,

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<v Speaker 7>but before we go through that, just overall, and this

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<v Speaker 7>is not again you don't have to get into the

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<v Speaker 7>specifics of particular guys, but just overall, looking at how

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<v Speaker 7>the Cowboys conducted themselves throughout the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, your initial thoughts. Let's start first with you Patrick.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, I was gonna let the draft network.

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<v Speaker 3>No, man, we're all good. You're the one that called

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<v Speaker 3>that Detroit trade.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't call it out. We got to give him

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<v Speaker 2>a little lot.

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<v Speaker 5>So, first and foremost, thank you Cowboys for not only

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<v Speaker 5>striking a trade in the first round, but you were

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<v Speaker 5>able to still remain in position, striking position to be

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<v Speaker 5>able to get a starting offensive lineman and that became

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<v Speaker 5>Tyler Guyton. But then you were able to also parlay

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<v Speaker 5>that into the seventy third overall pick, which became Cooper

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<v Speaker 5>bb who I am a massive fan of. So yes,

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<v Speaker 5>you lost Graham Barton, but losing Graham Barton picked you

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<v Speaker 5>up guyten and BB. I can't be mad at that.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think that the first round they handled it magnificently.

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<v Speaker 5>They were even on the phone lines taking calls at

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<v Speaker 5>pick twenty nine to consider moving back further, maybe thirty one,

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<v Speaker 5>thirty two that had Kansas City on the phone. But

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<v Speaker 5>I did say last week that I didn't see a

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<v Speaker 5>scenario necessarily wherein they'd be comfortable moving out of the

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<v Speaker 5>first round. Why because they wanted fifth year control. Because

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<v Speaker 5>they're not typically an organization that gets deals done proactively.

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<v Speaker 5>That fifth year of control comes into play as Stephen

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<v Speaker 5>Jones about it post draft. He said, exactly absolutely, they

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<v Speaker 5>want the fifth year, so got that on Tyler Guy,

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<v Speaker 5>and I would have liked to see them come away

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<v Speaker 5>with another trade back, try to get back or maybe

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<v Speaker 5>get back into that fourth round. I wanted to see

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<v Speaker 5>them use next year's draft collateral draft capital to be

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<v Speaker 5>able to do that. They weren't comfortable doing that. That's

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<v Speaker 5>one of my only knocks in that they let the

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<v Speaker 5>fourth round go by without them getting into it, because

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<v Speaker 5>what did that cost them? A running back? You saw

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<v Speaker 5>that run on running backs in the fourth round, and

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<v Speaker 5>that had to kill them to see that, and that

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<v Speaker 5>led to them not drafting or running back at all.

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<v Speaker 5>So those are my only knocks. But overall, when you

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<v Speaker 5>look at what they came away with talk about Marshawnneeland,

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<v Speaker 5>I think that although he's not one of the bigger

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<v Speaker 5>names in this draft, which is why Cowboys fans are like,

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<v Speaker 5>who's that guy? Go watch the film, there's a reason

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<v Speaker 5>a guy like Dame Brugler had him ranked I believe

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<v Speaker 5>thirty second in The Beast. If you don't subscribe to

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<v Speaker 5>the Beast and you're missing out there, But overall, you

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<v Speaker 5>triple down on the offensive line. You got yourself a

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<v Speaker 5>quality linebacker, got yourself a sleeper and Ryan Floor. Now

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<v Speaker 5>I like what they did. If they even got the

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<v Speaker 5>big boy and Justin Rodgers in the seventh round. Granted

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<v Speaker 5>that's a flyer, but he comes from a big program.

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<v Speaker 5>He was impact for the big program in Auburn.

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<v Speaker 3>I like it.

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<v Speaker 5>I like it a lot.

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<v Speaker 8>They coveted to tackle more than the center. They liked

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<v Speaker 8>the linebacker more because of what they went through last

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<v Speaker 8>year with the problems they had, more than the running back.

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<v Speaker 8>They were able to recoup. Well, let me put it

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<v Speaker 8>this way, they found the right right team to trade

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<v Speaker 8>back with. Detroit was super aggressive in this draft and

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<v Speaker 8>they were willing to give up an overpay to get there.

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<v Speaker 8>They were giving up picks, multiple picks anyway to move

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<v Speaker 8>around there. So to me, you know you're going in,

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<v Speaker 8>you're trying to figure out, okay, how we're going to

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<v Speaker 8>help you offensive line, How are you going to help

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<v Speaker 8>the linebackers. I think that they did that with both

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<v Speaker 8>their picks right there. I think instead of forcing a

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<v Speaker 8>running back late by taking the corner from wake Forest,

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<v Speaker 8>I think they showed great discipline there. This kid's a

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<v Speaker 8>heck of a football player. And I know we're going

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<v Speaker 8>to get into all these kids and talk about them,

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<v Speaker 8>but overall, I think you have to give them a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>Of credit.

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<v Speaker 8>Their ability to be patient in some areas, their ability

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<v Speaker 8>to work the phones, and their ability to grab players

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<v Speaker 8>that they feel like can help them.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, me personally, I love the Guide and Pick.

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<v Speaker 8>I think I love the BB Pick more and I

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<v Speaker 8>think bb is one of these guys. And we'll see,

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<v Speaker 8>we'll see about the potential transition from the guard to

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<v Speaker 8>the center. But if you talk about a guy that's

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<v Speaker 8>in that mode of plug and play, Beebe's that guy,

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<v Speaker 8>maybe a little bit more than Guidon is right now.

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<v Speaker 8>Guiden's Guiden's good player, but he's just gonna need a

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<v Speaker 8>little work in some areas.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, That's one of the things I seem to have

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<v Speaker 7>heard a lot as I've read different people's takes on

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<v Speaker 7>the Guidan Pick is that he's a bit of a project.

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<v Speaker 7>Whether that how much of a project he is not.

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<v Speaker 8>To the not to the point of project where you

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<v Speaker 8>would like, you're just gonna have to totally remake the.

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<v Speaker 2>Kid, Right, He's just a couple of things, you got.

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<v Speaker 8>There's there's some things that you're gonna have to deal

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<v Speaker 8>with with the hands and the feet. But we heard

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<v Speaker 8>the same thing about Tyler Smith, you know, because Tyler

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<v Speaker 8>Smith led the nation and holding calls and it was

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<v Speaker 8>his hands. A lot of his hands were you know,

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<v Speaker 8>his hands were a little wonky at times. But but

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<v Speaker 8>to your you know, I'm sorry, I mean to interrupt

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<v Speaker 8>you there, but it's not that project where you're like, I,

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<v Speaker 8>we're just taking a guy here and maybe we can

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<v Speaker 8>make it work. Now this this guy's got a little

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<v Speaker 8>lot of really good traits to his game.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And I say this on in the post draft pod

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<v Speaker 5>and Ambar was there as well. Uh, money on the table.

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<v Speaker 5>I believe Geten is you're starting left tackle when week

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<v Speaker 5>one comes around. I think they put him through the

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<v Speaker 5>crash course. I don't think this is a Massie Smith

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<v Speaker 5>situation where they're like, okay, well you know, we have

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<v Speaker 5>you learned behind the veteran in this situation, be like

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<v Speaker 5>chewing when you dog or something like that. I think

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<v Speaker 5>they throw gutting out there after this training camp and

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<v Speaker 5>they say, hey, it's time for you to learn by

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<v Speaker 5>hooker by crook how to play left tackle. But to

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<v Speaker 5>his credit and like Brian is saying, he's not a

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<v Speaker 5>completely raw prospect. Right. So, he has played effectively at

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<v Speaker 5>the edge, albeit right tackle with Oklahoma, but in speaking

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<v Speaker 5>with the young man, he said he prefers to play

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<v Speaker 5>left tackle, which sounds like he wish he would have

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<v Speaker 5>gotten more burned there at Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 7>So he was checking the blind side of the quarterback

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<v Speaker 7>because it was a left handed question in this.

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<v Speaker 5>Quarterback right right, So he sounds like a guy who's

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<v Speaker 5>kind of tamping at the bit to get to left

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<v Speaker 5>tackle because he actually wants to be on that side.

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<v Speaker 5>So I could see him just soaking up every single

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<v Speaker 5>thing that he can to make sure that he's effective.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the magical question.

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<v Speaker 7>When you say you expect him to be the start

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<v Speaker 7>of week one, is that because of his level of

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<v Speaker 7>ability or is that because of the level of competition

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<v Speaker 7>he will.

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<v Speaker 5>Be left tackle? The answer is yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>The answers yes, I think it's more you know, to me, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it you could. I guess you could say yes there,

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<v Speaker 3>But to.

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<v Speaker 8>Me, I I don't think anybody at left tackle is

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<v Speaker 8>proven right there.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, that's that's where you know.

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<v Speaker 8>They they clearly had a need to draft a tackle

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<v Speaker 8>and they got one, and they you know, they they

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<v Speaker 8>plug and play guys, and so we'll see. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm I like the pick, I really really do.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 8>I was Fitanu was coming down the board that kid

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<v Speaker 8>from Washington. I'm thought, man, the draft guys are about

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<v Speaker 8>to throw.

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<v Speaker 3>Them one here.

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<v Speaker 8>You know this is this is a seedy lamb kind

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<v Speaker 8>of about to come down the board at him, and

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<v Speaker 8>it just didn't quite get there. But Guiden is a

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<v Speaker 8>very very good uh selection for them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And then when you think about it, and we talk

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<v Speaker 5>a lot about Austin Richards for example, uh, and I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know, right he's going into his second year. If

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<v Speaker 5>and this is not to say awsome Richards cannot move

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<v Speaker 5>forward and maybe be a quality swing tackle, but if

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<v Speaker 5>they felt like he could be a starting tackle in

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<v Speaker 5>the league effective or two, they wouldn't spent a first

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<v Speaker 5>round draft pick on a tackle. So when you talk

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<v Speaker 5>about the level of competition, it's your incoming first round

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<v Speaker 5>pick versus former fifth round pick last year. Austin Richards,

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<v Speaker 5>a veteran at chumy DOGA Matt will Letsko who has

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<v Speaker 5>a high ceiling, but his shoulders don't like to play nice.

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<v Speaker 5>Josh bald is going to be moved to the inside,

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<v Speaker 5>So he's going to have a hill to climb because

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<v Speaker 5>now he's going up against you know, the Tyler Smiths

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<v Speaker 5>and the t J. Basses and the Broad Kaffins of

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<v Speaker 5>the world, much like Bbie is going up against the

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<v Speaker 5>broad Coffins of the world. So yeah, it's it's ability

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<v Speaker 5>a high ceiling on guy in combination, I should say,

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<v Speaker 5>with the fact that the competition just isn't as strong

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<v Speaker 5>as as you know it probably could be. Otherwise.

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<v Speaker 2>We got to welcome Ag to the show here.

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<v Speaker 3>She made it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, a fresh offer, fresh off a trip to Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 7>and I'm gonna drop a little nugget for y'all. She

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<v Speaker 7>was working on this project we got coming up for

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<v Speaker 7>Deep Blue teasers, and I'll just say Mary and the

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<v Speaker 7>Barbarian That's all I've got to say.

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<v Speaker 2>The Barbaria is involved in.

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<v Speaker 7>I know that's a fan favorite. It'll be a little

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<v Speaker 7>I think people will be excited about that. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 7>we're talking about the draft, i'd like you to give

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<v Speaker 7>me your general thoughts. Obviously don't have to go through

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<v Speaker 7>play by player, We're going to do that in a second,

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<v Speaker 7>but just overall, What were your thoughts on how the

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<v Speaker 7>Cowboys approached the weekend.

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<v Speaker 9>I think overall it's uh. I like the picks that

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<v Speaker 9>they were able to make. I like the trade and

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<v Speaker 9>the fact that they were able to get two players

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<v Speaker 9>out of that trade, which was very important, especially at

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<v Speaker 9>the position in the O line. And overall, other than

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<v Speaker 9>the running back debate and dilemma there, I do like

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<v Speaker 9>how they came out out of the draft. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 9>hesitant to speak on and Guidon because and I don't

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<v Speaker 9>know why, and I just I don't like the feeling

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<v Speaker 9>or my opinion.

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<v Speaker 10>I don't like my opinion right now.

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<v Speaker 9>And every time everything I've heard from everybody, he has

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<v Speaker 9>been very positive.

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<v Speaker 10>Meeting the guy and listening to him. I love him.

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<v Speaker 9>I absolutely love him, love him, love his personality, love

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<v Speaker 9>the the will like you can just tell that he's

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<v Speaker 9>gonna get out there on the field and really work, work, work,

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<v Speaker 9>and work really hard to get to where.

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<v Speaker 10>He needs to be.

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<v Speaker 9>But something inside me, it's kind of very I don't

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<v Speaker 9>feel great about it. And maybe it's because the amount

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<v Speaker 9>of expectation, the amount of pressure that you're having to

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<v Speaker 9>put behind a guy, and we've seen it before where mentally,

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<v Speaker 9>it can really take a toll on you. And you

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<v Speaker 9>can look physically look like the guy, the right guy,

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<v Speaker 9>and this guy is his arms are freaking long, Like

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<v Speaker 9>it's insane how big this guy is and the length

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<v Speaker 9>length that he has. But something inside me is just

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<v Speaker 9>very feels very uneasy easy because of the spot that

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<v Speaker 9>he's having to be put in and the amount of

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<v Speaker 9>pressure and sometimes yeah, we've we've seen it before and

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<v Speaker 9>it just makes me uneasy, even though I hear people

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<v Speaker 9>being very very excited to what he's bringing. And you

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<v Speaker 9>love to hear a guy say, hey, I prefer play

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<v Speaker 9>left tackle, which is.

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<v Speaker 10>Great, but I don't know, man, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I just so do you because I feel like and

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<v Speaker 5>I understand exactly what you're saying. But when you look

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<v Speaker 5>at the hit rate for Will McClay and the Will

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<v Speaker 5>m clay.

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<v Speaker 10>Era, that's another thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, So yeah, brought has made a good point a

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<v Speaker 5>few minutes ago when it comes to Tyler Smith. When

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<v Speaker 5>Tyler Smith, when that was the pick cowboys got dragged

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<v Speaker 5>on social media for that pick. Who's this kid and

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<v Speaker 5>he leaves the nation in holding and he's coming from Tulane.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not a program right.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way the Cowboys are.

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<v Speaker 7>The Cowboys are coming off a year where they were

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<v Speaker 7>having issues withholding, and so it's like you're just making

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<v Speaker 7>one probable word and whole and.

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<v Speaker 5>Then what happens. Tyler Smith flies right out of the

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<v Speaker 5>gate as a left guard and then he saves the day,

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<v Speaker 5>helps save the day at left tackle, and then you

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<v Speaker 5>put him back at left guard and he's an all pro.

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<v Speaker 5>So and I mean, we're talking two years in, so

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<v Speaker 5>I think when again, I understand the concern and we

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<v Speaker 5>were just talking about our concerns as well when it

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<v Speaker 5>comes to God. But I think the overall consensus is

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<v Speaker 5>that not only does he have the physical ability to

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<v Speaker 5>do it, not only does he have the will and

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<v Speaker 5>the want to do it. Also I'd be remiss if

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't mention his support system and just how strong

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<v Speaker 5>his support system is and how much he's leaning on

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<v Speaker 5>that to be great, not just at the NFL level,

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<v Speaker 5>but there's this extra oomph by being the Cowboys. When

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<v Speaker 5>having conversations with his father, Hell looking at seeing how

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<v Speaker 5>emotional this father was at the pickup in the locker room,

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<v Speaker 5>tears his dad laying on the start in the Star

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<v Speaker 5>of Facilities, so I think when you have that type

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<v Speaker 5>of support system kind of pushing him to be great,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think. I don't think Tyler's going to settle

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<v Speaker 5>for anything.

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<v Speaker 9>That's also potentially add to the mental pressure of things.

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<v Speaker 9>And again, maybe it's just that the anxiety and me

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<v Speaker 9>and the panic person that I am in nature, because

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<v Speaker 9>when you talk about the success that the Cowboys have

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<v Speaker 9>had drafting linement O Linement specifically, it's been great. But

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<v Speaker 9>in my mind, I'm like, well, what law of probability?

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<v Speaker 9>At what point did they actually miss one? And again,

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<v Speaker 9>I'm not trying to be pessimistic, and I want to

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<v Speaker 9>be very optimistic about everything that he can bring in

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<v Speaker 9>the trust that I put in Will McLay and his team.

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<v Speaker 9>But since you guys are forcing me to be on

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<v Speaker 9>the show and speak and speak something inside me right

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<v Speaker 9>now at this moment, Yeah, still still fair.

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<v Speaker 5>It is fair.

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<v Speaker 8>I wonder where they have this is just me, the

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<v Speaker 8>scout in me. I wonder where they had Tirian Arnold,

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<v Speaker 8>the corner from Alabama.

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<v Speaker 2>On their board that was the one who was picked

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<v Speaker 2>by Detroit.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, because I know on my board he was my

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<v Speaker 8>seventh overall player. And if you were playing the game

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<v Speaker 8>of best available player on the board, Terran Arnold would

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<v Speaker 8>be and should have I mean, and if you were

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<v Speaker 8>doing if you didn't have, say, you didn't have the

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<v Speaker 8>need to tackle a corner cornerback. To me, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>that was one of those things that all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 8>you're picking potentially at twenty four and maybe the seventh

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<v Speaker 8>best players on your board, and you're like going they

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<v Speaker 8>talk about the blinking light.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, that was a blinking light if.

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<v Speaker 8>You didn't have the need and maybe this first pick,

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<v Speaker 8>this tackle pick was about need.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it was.

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<v Speaker 7>But I think the need was was not necessarily just

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<v Speaker 7>the or the overriding need was not just necessarily a

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<v Speaker 7>boy just getting a tackle. I think the need was

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<v Speaker 7>we need another pick. We got too many, we got

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<v Speaker 7>too many holes we got to fill. We need options

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<v Speaker 7>like and so I think for them, I think trading back.

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<v Speaker 7>For me, even if you were going to look at

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<v Speaker 7>someone like Terry and Arnold, the question becomes, would you

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<v Speaker 7>take him or would you take two guys a tackle

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<v Speaker 7>and the center potentially as opposed to taking the I think.

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<v Speaker 8>If Troy Fatanu from Washington was on that board when

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<v Speaker 8>at twenty four they wouldn't have got the seventy third

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<v Speaker 8>pick gonna they were gonna hand that card in. They

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<v Speaker 8>were gonna think, Okay, maybe we can do it some

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<v Speaker 8>other way down the line. The fact that they were

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<v Speaker 8>offered the seventy third pick, I think is a huge deal.

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<v Speaker 8>But I think if a certain a certain player or

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<v Speaker 8>two was there, I don't see them trading back.

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<v Speaker 2>I will tell you this.

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<v Speaker 7>Going into the draft, and we heard some some things

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<v Speaker 7>that came out of the war room, it was it

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<v Speaker 7>was a high percentage chance as far as the way

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<v Speaker 7>they were looking at going into the draft that they

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<v Speaker 7>were going to trade back.

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<v Speaker 2>I think their.

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<v Speaker 7>Expectation was, we are trading back and we're gonna find

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<v Speaker 7>the right partner to be take an extra pick. And

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<v Speaker 7>not only did they find the right partner, they found

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<v Speaker 7>the right part of that got them that overpaid to

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<v Speaker 7>come up so they could get a guy like Cooper Bebe.

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<v Speaker 8>I had a Detroit fan argue with me though about

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<v Speaker 8>this and any not argue, but made a point the

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<v Speaker 8>overpay by the Lions actually for what it would have

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<v Speaker 8>cost them to go from twenty nine to get Arnold

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<v Speaker 8>say at seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Is actually a deal. Yeah, no doubt they for the

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<v Speaker 3>player that they got.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, I was thinking about you know what, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>it's overpay on the chart, But for Detroit to go

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<v Speaker 8>from twenty nine to potentially where this guy was projected

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<v Speaker 8>to being taken in the top ten, they got, They

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<v Speaker 8>got a deal.

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<v Speaker 7>You paid the price for a higher quality play. It

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<v Speaker 7>did right, and it worked for everybody. I think this

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<v Speaker 7>is one situation work for everywhere.

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<v Speaker 5>And there's also the thing to consider in that, Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>they ended up getting gout in offensive tackle, high area

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<v Speaker 5>of need, but if Darius Robinson was still on the

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<v Speaker 5>clock at twenty nine, was still on the board at

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<v Speaker 5>twenty nine, there was a great chance they were going

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<v Speaker 5>to pull the trigger on Darius Robinson. They were very

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<v Speaker 5>very high on him, and I'm told that was a discussion.

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<v Speaker 5>He was in that discussion as well, So keep that

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<v Speaker 5>in mind, ladies and gentlemen. But he went off the

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<v Speaker 5>board at twenty seven. So that kind of solved the

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<v Speaker 5>problem there for the Cowboys, and there was guy in

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<v Speaker 5>steering them in the face.

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<v Speaker 7>So all right, we're gonna take our first break when

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<v Speaker 7>we come back. We've talked a little bit about Tyler

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<v Speaker 7>guid and we're going to go through this list of

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<v Speaker 7>the other picks that the Cowboys made and give you

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<v Speaker 7>some scottery reports on what we think of these other picks.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's let's go through this list.

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<v Speaker 7>I want to throw out a name and then I

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<v Speaker 7>want you guys to kind of give me your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 7>On the pick, what you think of it, and you

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<v Speaker 7>know whether you think it's a good pick for the Cowboys,

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<v Speaker 7>and what you see in that player that could be

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<v Speaker 7>good or bad. Let's start first the second pick, number

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<v Speaker 7>fifty six overall defensive end, Marshawn Neeland out of Western Michigan.

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<v Speaker 5>Great pick, here's your here's your DeMarcus Lawrence clo In

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<v Speaker 5>my eyes, this this guy is he has some work

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<v Speaker 5>to do and to be consistent in pass rushing off

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<v Speaker 5>of the edge. He's shown signs obviously that he can

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<v Speaker 5>be disruptive in that capacity, but boy does he know

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<v Speaker 5>how to seal the edge against the run. So absolutely

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<v Speaker 5>bring it on some of those. I expect that he's

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<v Speaker 5>going to glue himself to the Marcus Lawrence, and I

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<v Speaker 5>think that that's going to be his role going forward.

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<v Speaker 5>I absolutely love it.

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<v Speaker 8>Really strong, not a bendy guy. So to me, this

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<v Speaker 8>is where all of a sudden we blame linebackers and

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<v Speaker 8>defensive tackles for poor run defense. They said, the hell

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<v Speaker 8>with that, We're going to sign a guy that can

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<v Speaker 8>play the edges. They need to get better on the

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<v Speaker 8>edges playing against the run, and this guy can do that. Though,

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<v Speaker 8>like I said, he is going to have to develop

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<v Speaker 8>some pass rush skills, the effort, the chase, all that,

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<v Speaker 8>though you know he's just not His first step is

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<v Speaker 8>really good, but he needs to find a way to

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<v Speaker 8>carry that to the corner. And like I said, he's

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<v Speaker 8>not the bendiest guy. When I think of Lawrence greg Ellis,

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<v Speaker 8>who was compared to kind of some stiffness in both

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<v Speaker 8>the way, especially with Ellis, but Ellis could get the

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<v Speaker 8>corner and then close it. This kid, I think is

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<v Speaker 8>going to have to work to get to the corner.

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<v Speaker 8>But playing run defense, if he's not going to give

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<v Speaker 8>anything up playing run defense, he's just that powerful of

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<v Speaker 8>a guy.

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<v Speaker 9>Based on the plays that I did watch from him,

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<v Speaker 9>something that stood out to me is his awareness, like

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<v Speaker 9>football awareness, where he can keep an eye and be

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<v Speaker 9>aware exactly kind of where the play is going or

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<v Speaker 9>where the ball is going, which is something that I've

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<v Speaker 9>seen with some of the defensive players in the past

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<v Speaker 9>that they struggle with sometimes of just kind of keeping

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<v Speaker 9>up with the speed. And I think he's a guy

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<v Speaker 9>that has shown again on the plays that I've watched,

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<v Speaker 9>that he can kind of keep up and we'll see

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<v Speaker 9>if that easily translates for like NFL speed, which.

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<v Speaker 10>Is a lot faster.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>The one thing that pops out to me is the

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<v Speaker 7>one play, one play why I should say the one

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<v Speaker 7>play one play that I saw from him a was

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<v Speaker 7>particularly impressive. I think is floating around the internet is

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<v Speaker 7>one where get the Diowa game where he beats his guy,

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<v Speaker 7>gets off him and then just decapitates the running back

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<v Speaker 7>and the running backs running kind of up the a gap.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's it's kind of that's what you're looking for

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<v Speaker 7>in this run game because so often what we saw

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<v Speaker 7>from the Cowboys is guys kind of hold their they

0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.919
<v Speaker 7>can't get off their blocks. The running back finds a

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<v Speaker 7>gap scene and he's in it and he's gone. And

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<v Speaker 7>in this sense, I love the fact he was able

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<v Speaker 7>to shed, get down the line and actually make the tackle.

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<v Speaker 7>That's something I think the Cowboys sorely need when it

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<v Speaker 7>comes to their their run defense.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's move on to pick number the third round.

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<v Speaker 2>Pick pick number seventy three was up.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, you're talking about come over Cooper BB, offensive lineman

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<v Speaker 7>from Kansas State. The expectation is he will be a

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<v Speaker 7>guy that they will slide into the center position.

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<v Speaker 5>Your thoughts Heart Aye Emoji Cooper bb Is. He's a

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<v Speaker 5>he's a mauler, he's a road greater. You know, one

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<v Speaker 5>of the reasons that he was available in the third

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<v Speaker 5>round would be you look at something like his His

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<v Speaker 5>wingspans not the longest, his arms aren't the longest. But

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<v Speaker 5>he was effective at tackle for Kansas State. He showed

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<v Speaker 5>he can do that. I don't think that he has

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<v Speaker 5>the arm and wingspan to be able to do that

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<v Speaker 5>at the NFL level, but this is a guy who's

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<v Speaker 5>played all five spots on the offensive line and can

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<v Speaker 5>do it. We mentioned a little bit earlier about will

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<v Speaker 5>he be asked to take on the center road with Dallas.

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<v Speaker 5>I believe upfront Will he's already taking reps at center

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<v Speaker 5>as far as preparation goes with our good friend Duke Miniweather.

0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:29.960
<v Speaker 5>So he's already in preparation for that. But when you

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<v Speaker 5>talk about physical stature, he is a unit and he

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<v Speaker 5>has a demeanor that is visceral and brutal, and he

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<v Speaker 5>wants to in his own words, he likes to quote

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<v Speaker 5>dirt guys. He wants to beat those guys sense lists

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:47.399
<v Speaker 5>that are trying to come at him. So over the

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<v Speaker 5>course of four quarters. They just don't want to see

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<v Speaker 5>him anymore. That's the kind of demeanor the Cowboys have

0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:55.000
<v Speaker 5>been lacking at center. But also even when you look

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<v Speaker 5>at Tyler Byadish, one of the biggest knocks on Biadish

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<v Speaker 5>was strength issues. Strength issues. We can sit here and

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<v Speaker 5>say that Cooper B. B doesn't have the longest arms.

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<v Speaker 5>With the power that's in those arms in his hands,

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<v Speaker 5>it will more than get the job done for the Cowboys.

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<v Speaker 5>I could not love this pick more than I do.

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<v Speaker 8>He's an old school offensive lineman guys I used to

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<v Speaker 8>watch when I was a kid back in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Seventies, in the eighties growing up.

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<v Speaker 8>He gets real close to you, and he is he

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<v Speaker 8>doesn't have the arm link to really to extend on you.

0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:26.399
<v Speaker 8>But where he does is he once he gets a

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<v Speaker 8>hold of you, he is going to maul you. And

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:32.040
<v Speaker 8>you would think that at six three three twenty two

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<v Speaker 8>he would have problems getting to the second level with

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<v Speaker 8>foot quickness.

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<v Speaker 3>And a balance in those things. Not at all.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, he can, he can hitch you, he can

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<v Speaker 8>target guys. He's got accuracy with the way he finds

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<v Speaker 8>his guys. He's a little bit of a push shove blocker.

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:47.520
<v Speaker 8>Like I say, when you get real close to somebody,

0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:49.960
<v Speaker 8>that's how you're gonna play. But he will knock down

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<v Speaker 8>as many defenders as he can on a given play.

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<v Speaker 8>I've seen him like secure down linemen and then get

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<v Speaker 8>to the second level and knock another guy down there.

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<v Speaker 8>So we'll have to see, Like I say, the center

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<v Speaker 8>part of it's gonna be a little different from him

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<v Speaker 8>because here he's coming out of a stance and going

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<v Speaker 8>in and executing snapping the ball, stepping and then going

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<v Speaker 8>will be something that he's done before in his career.

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<v Speaker 8>But now he's gonna have to get back on that

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<v Speaker 8>horse though, and play it at a much higher level.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't judge people by their looks, but it's always hilarious.

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<v Speaker 10>But it's always hilarious to me when you see Linement

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<v Speaker 10>that their.

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<v Speaker 9>Face is just so innocent, like Anna.

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<v Speaker 10>On the field. And that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 9>You see pictures of him, you see videos of him

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<v Speaker 9>just like not playing and it's like okay, bro, like

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<v Speaker 9>who are you?

0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:47.359
<v Speaker 10>What are you gonna do?

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<v Speaker 9>And then you watch the plays on the field and

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:55.879
<v Speaker 9>this guy is so aggressive and that's exactly what you

0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:59.399
<v Speaker 9>need from in lignment. He's so aggressive, aggressive, does not

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<v Speaker 9>give up on the play and will literally stop once

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<v Speaker 9>the whistle stopped, like once it hears that, okay, but

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:09.760
<v Speaker 9>he just it's it's amazing. And by the way, just

0:26:09.800 --> 0:26:13.119
<v Speaker 9>to give you guys an insight, when that pak was made,

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<v Speaker 9>everybody here in the office was going crazy watching the

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<v Speaker 9>highlights watch.

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<v Speaker 10>So that's very very exciting.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I'll tell you this from from my perspective watching

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<v Speaker 7>him when he played the Longhorns last year, which that

0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:30.520
<v Speaker 7>was the strength of our team, was our defensive tackles,

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:33.200
<v Speaker 7>and he did a really good job against those I

0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:35.360
<v Speaker 7>don't know that I saw another team do as well

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<v Speaker 7>against those two guys all year.

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<v Speaker 3>The West Virginia Center.

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<v Speaker 8>Fraser has a pretty nice day against those guys, and

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<v Speaker 8>that's why you would like talk about him as a

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<v Speaker 8>as a guy as you would have possibly have drafted.

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<v Speaker 7>But I just thought the way he handled physically, and

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<v Speaker 7>those are big guys, I mean, both those guys are

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<v Speaker 7>really big, very powerful, and he handled them pretty well.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think that's what what turned me on to

0:26:57.080 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 7>Cooper Beebe and I love that. I love also the

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<v Speaker 7>idea that they're getting a little bit meaner. That was

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<v Speaker 7>one of the things actually with Geyton, he said in

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<v Speaker 7>his press conference, they asked him about playing next to

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<v Speaker 7>Tyler Smith, and he said, the thing I love the

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<v Speaker 7>most about Tyler Smith is that.

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<v Speaker 2>He plays with the nastiess.

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<v Speaker 7>He says, I like to play like that too, and

0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:15.240
<v Speaker 7>so I'm thinking, Okay, that gives me another guy that

0:27:15.400 --> 0:27:17.199
<v Speaker 7>plays nasty like Tyler, and then you give me a

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 7>center that plays nasty like that, and obviously just the

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:23.480
<v Speaker 7>skill of a Martin and Still who also can be

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 7>a little nasty when he wants to be as well.

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:27.720
<v Speaker 7>I love the nastiness of this offensive line in a

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:30.560
<v Speaker 7>season where, let's be honest, like they're gonna need to

0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:32.360
<v Speaker 7>block really well if this running game is gonna get

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<v Speaker 7>off the ground, and so I love that.

0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:36.879
<v Speaker 5>A lother thing that Cooper BB does exceptionally well is

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 5>run blocking. He will carve lanes and like Ambar said,

0:27:40.119 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 5>he'll knock the first guy in the dirt and then

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 5>he's on the hunt for the second guy. He's at

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:46.679
<v Speaker 5>the second level. So in that aspect, he reminds me

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 5>of like what Lyle Collins would do. When you'd see

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:51.880
<v Speaker 5>Lyle Collins running down the field almost with the running back.

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 5>That's Cooper BB. He wants to get his hands dirty.

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<v Speaker 7>All right, Let's go to the second pick of the

0:27:56.760 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 7>third round, who was picked number eighty seven, lineback of

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:01.920
<v Speaker 7>marist Lea Foule from Notre Dame.

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<v Speaker 2>What are your thoughts?

0:28:03.400 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 5>I like it, and the Cowboys did not want to

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:08.879
<v Speaker 5>risk losing him by moving back out of that spot

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 5>or by taking a running back there, because they felt like,

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:13.679
<v Speaker 5>obviously when they went back on the clock that he

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.000
<v Speaker 5>would not be available. This is a young man with

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:18.359
<v Speaker 5>an exceptional wing span. I'm going to also read from

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:22.480
<v Speaker 5>my skeleting reporting him here eighty six percent tile and

0:28:22.640 --> 0:28:25.120
<v Speaker 5>arm length. Not the fastest guy out there, but also

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:27.320
<v Speaker 5>not the slowest. He's four to six plus in the

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<v Speaker 5>forty which, as far as linebackers in this classgow seventieth percentile,

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 5>so he's far above average there. His demeanor is gruesome,

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:36.720
<v Speaker 5>like he wants to get it in. He wants to

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 5>tap in on every single play. Covers extremely well. My

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:42.560
<v Speaker 5>only concern with him is that he needs to learn

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 5>how to drop gears when it's time to drop gil gear.

0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 5>Some of his pursuit angles lead to over pursuit because

0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:50.240
<v Speaker 5>he's trying so desperately to get to the play that

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:52.320
<v Speaker 5>he kind of gets caught at the wrong angle. But

0:28:52.360 --> 0:28:54.240
<v Speaker 5>if he can kind of refine those skills, I think

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 5>he can be a player for the Cowboys, definitely. Sideline.

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<v Speaker 5>Sideline reminds me of what Overshown brings to the table

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 5>as far as like that that long rangey cover guy.

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:05.920
<v Speaker 5>But when when Maris gets his hands on you and

0:29:05.960 --> 0:29:07.880
<v Speaker 5>when he can make contact, he really wants you to

0:29:07.880 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 5>remember who just hit you. And that's that's that Mike Zimmer.

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 5>I think Mike Zimmer sees that in him, and that's

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 5>where he's going to come into play.

0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 8>He's a traditional off ball linebacker and you can use

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:19.600
<v Speaker 8>him as an edge rusher as well. He plays with

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:23.120
<v Speaker 8>physicality and a sense of urgency to his game. He's

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 8>got the size of the functional strength. I think he's maxed

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 8>out though at six two, two thirty four. I don't

0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 8>think he's going to get much bigger.

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Than is that undersize or is that okay?

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 8>That's okay, that's okay for right now. And you know,

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 8>the thing about him is though he's got good patience

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:39.040
<v Speaker 8>and he's got disciplined in the way he diagnoses. He

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:41.840
<v Speaker 8>doesn't take many false steps as a player, there's some

0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 8>explosive power to the way he plays when he steps

0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 8>up and he fills. He's fast in pursuit, and you

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 8>know he'll chase ball carriers down where he I like

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 8>him too. You can use him in coverage. You know,

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:54.840
<v Speaker 8>you could see him. He'll carry tight ends, he'll take

0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:57.600
<v Speaker 8>backs in the flat. Those are the types of things.

0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 8>He's kind of got some completeness to his game that way.

0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 8>The thing about him as a tackler is though he

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 8>will wrap up. There's a lot of times you see

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:06.800
<v Speaker 8>him in space he'll wrap up and do a good

0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 8>job of that. Then other times you'll see him kind

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 8>of miss and so he needs to be a little

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 8>bit more consistent in that area. But he does a

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:14.920
<v Speaker 8>great job of getting to the football.

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 9>I have mixed opinions on him because even though Brian

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 9>you said the size is good personally for me, I

0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 9>like my linebackers a little bit bigger and and I'm

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 9>exactly and I'm already kind of missing that from Overshawn,

0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:32.240
<v Speaker 9>Like we haven't seen him yet.

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.360
<v Speaker 10>I haven't seen him recently, so I don't know how.

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:37.280
<v Speaker 2>I think he can put on some weight.

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 7>I think he is frame and can carry a little

0:30:39.240 --> 0:30:41.680
<v Speaker 7>bit more overshon put on way.

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 10>I haven't seen him recently, so I don't know how days.

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 5>And he looks good.

0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:46.920
<v Speaker 10>Okay, that's good.

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 5>That's good, like it looks good well, and energy is great.

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<v Speaker 5>He can't wait to get back up.

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<v Speaker 8>The thing with Mike is Mike will play with a

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<v Speaker 8>linebacker because he did it with Dak Wynn and Dexter Kochley.

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<v Speaker 8>If you're small, Mike needs you to be small, smart

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<v Speaker 8>and quick with their thoughts on how to play. He

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<v Speaker 8>Mike can't use you if if you're small and you

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<v Speaker 8>don't play that way with instincts and quickness of thinking,

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<v Speaker 8>he won't.

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<v Speaker 3>He won't play you.

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<v Speaker 8>So this kid kind of fits into the bill of

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<v Speaker 8>being able to think and react the way you need

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<v Speaker 8>to do it. So I mean to me, this is

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<v Speaker 8>the one point in the draft, though, where I had

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<v Speaker 8>two running backs on the board and I was thinking, Okay,

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<v Speaker 8>you drafted two offensive linemen. Now go fix this running game.

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<v Speaker 8>Now go get Lloyd from USC, or go get right

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<v Speaker 8>from Tennessee. You know that's where I That's where I

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<v Speaker 8>would have gone. But I understand what they did here.

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<v Speaker 8>We interviewed day three of the draft. We interviewed Scott McCurley,

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<v Speaker 8>the linebackers coach. He didn't want to go through that.

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<v Speaker 8>He said, Hey, God bless Marquise Bell for the way

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<v Speaker 8>he played, you know, God bless all those guys for

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<v Speaker 8>stepping in. They ran out of linebackers. They were sure

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<v Speaker 8>at that spot and it affected the way they play.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 8>The picks they made with Neelan and this kid, they're

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<v Speaker 8>gonna try and help themselves in the running game.

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<v Speaker 5>And also keep in mind, this is a book Cats

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<v Speaker 5>Award semi finalists from last year. So for anyone who's

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<v Speaker 5>wondering if this kid, just generally speaking, if this kid

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<v Speaker 5>can play, he can absolutely play. You don't get that

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<v Speaker 5>far in the book Case Award nomination if you don't

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<v Speaker 5>know how to impact games.

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<v Speaker 8>They had two good linebackers there, kid Bertrand got picked

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<v Speaker 8>a little bit later in the draft. But you watch

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<v Speaker 8>Notre Dame's linebackers, they're downhill players.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, something that we talked about quite a lot last

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<v Speaker 9>year as far as some of the issues on the

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<v Speaker 9>defense was the lack of size and just those types

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<v Speaker 9>of matchups where you have the right amount of power

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<v Speaker 9>and size to go up against some of those offensive

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<v Speaker 9>players last year. But either way, I think and this

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<v Speaker 9>is something that I'm gonna have to learn. That is

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<v Speaker 9>what Mike Zimmer is going to bring to the table.

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<v Speaker 9>And every coach has a different for different body types

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<v Speaker 9>and player preferences for those guys, So we'll see how

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<v Speaker 9>he exactly fits in. But definitely a good pick in

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<v Speaker 9>the sense that it does address the linebacker position, which

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<v Speaker 9>for me, I saw it a bigger need there rather

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<v Speaker 9>than the running back. And I know that's a debatable topic,

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<v Speaker 9>but yeah, happy with it.

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<v Speaker 7>All right, we're gonna take our final break, we'll come back.

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<v Speaker 7>in We've got the fifth, sixth, and two seventh round

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<v Speaker 7>picks that we need to talk about. Let's start with

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<v Speaker 7>the fifth round pick, pick number one, seventy four, defensive

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<v Speaker 7>back Kaylin Carson out of Wake Forest.

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<v Speaker 5>What do we know. I'll make this real quick, great athlete,

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<v Speaker 5>great value for the Cowboys. Here two way player, former

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<v Speaker 5>two way player. He played wide receiver and cornerback in

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<v Speaker 5>his recent football career. Full four two i'm sorry, full

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<v Speaker 5>four to eight second forty yard dash, which is comparable

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<v Speaker 5>to what Trayvon Diggs did. I think Trayvon was a

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<v Speaker 5>full four to two, full four three something like that.

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<v Speaker 5>So not the fastest, but definitely not slow as well.

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<v Speaker 5>He's going to be somebody who can be disruptive with

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<v Speaker 5>both his catch radius when you talk about his arms.

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<v Speaker 5>Doesn't have the biggest hands, but he can be there

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<v Speaker 5>at the point of attack nearly every time. He's frustrating

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<v Speaker 5>to cornerback I'm sorry to route receivers because he likes

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<v Speaker 5>the press, he likes to get his hands dirty. He'll

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<v Speaker 5>get up on you at the line of scrimmage and

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<v Speaker 5>make that route a little bit difficult to get off

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<v Speaker 5>of on the release. So overall and at the same

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<v Speaker 5>time because he was formerly a wide receiver, not unlike

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<v Speaker 5>Trayvon Diggs. He can diagnose quarterbacks reads in real time,

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<v Speaker 5>probably faster than most traditional cornerbacks can. So I like

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<v Speaker 5>this big.

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<v Speaker 8>Watch the Florida State game man. They got some cats

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<v Speaker 8>that can play over on that other side, big time

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<v Speaker 8>receivers over there, and he was up to the task.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, he's a very competitive, he's a fiery guy.

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<v Speaker 8>The way he plays, he's quick footed. He plays is

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<v Speaker 8>what we call field corner, and a field corner plays

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<v Speaker 8>the whole open side of the field. You hear boundary

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<v Speaker 8>corners and scouting and you hear field corners. Jerry Madaline

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<v Speaker 8>so proud of me right now, Yeah, and he is so.

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<v Speaker 8>But a boundary corner uses the sidelines. Field corner uses

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<v Speaker 8>the field. So what you're going to have to do

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<v Speaker 8>is you carry the whole field, so you carry all

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<v Speaker 8>those routes. This kid's got the ability. He could play

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<v Speaker 8>both sides. But what you want to do with him

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<v Speaker 8>is maybe think about him with a slot corner. Where

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<v Speaker 8>he's gonna have to improve is he will get his

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<v Speaker 8>hands on balls, he will knock down passes and stuff

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<v Speaker 8>like that. He's got to do a better job of

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<v Speaker 8>intercepting the passes and so you know he's but he's

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<v Speaker 8>a very willing tackler. He's he's right on the spot

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<v Speaker 8>when he does that. The link demeanor is very very good.

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<v Speaker 8>I love the way he plays.

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<v Speaker 3>The inbreaking routes.

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<v Speaker 8>You get those inbreaking routes and you have somebody that

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<v Speaker 8>can carry in breaking routes as a corner those are

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<v Speaker 8>the guys you want to play with on your team.

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<v Speaker 8>This guy's was a really nice pick for them.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, another thing is his special team's ability and what

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<v Speaker 9>he brings there. And it's going to be interesting because

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<v Speaker 9>now with the new rules on punts and kicking and

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<v Speaker 9>all that, you got to change up and you need

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<v Speaker 9>guys to help with all of that. So I think

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<v Speaker 9>it's a good pick. You know, need to see more

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<v Speaker 9>from him, but not bad.

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<v Speaker 7>Everything I've seen and heard about him is very very positive.

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<v Speaker 7>My question becomes why was he available in the fifth round?

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<v Speaker 3>You know what there was.

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<v Speaker 8>It was one of the deepest drafts of cornerbacks that

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<v Speaker 8>I think I've been a part of. And I know

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<v Speaker 8>I got to the point O eisham Worse and I

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<v Speaker 8>were laughing about it. Felt like you looked at thirty corners,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, and this sometimes, like you say, there's there's

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<v Speaker 8>different traits for players that I think where you look

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<v Speaker 8>at him, maybe people dingmed him on the ball skills,

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<v Speaker 8>maybe they deemed him a little bit on the speed.

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<v Speaker 8>But to me, you know, I just I even said

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<v Speaker 8>it on the Draft show when they made the pick,

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<v Speaker 8>I'm like, now they're back on track, you know. I

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<v Speaker 8>was kind of thinking, you know, I didn't want them

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<v Speaker 8>just to reach on running back, yead. The last thing

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<v Speaker 8>I wanted him to do is just Okay, we're going

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<v Speaker 8>to take a running back because we have to take.

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<v Speaker 3>A running back. No, they took a legitimate player here

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<v Speaker 3>that can help them. I just said.

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<v Speaker 8>I but the depth of the position, the ball skills,

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<v Speaker 8>and maybe a little bit of his.

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<v Speaker 3>Speed might have got people off him a little all right.

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<v Speaker 7>In the sixth round, Cowboys that pick number two sixteen

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<v Speaker 7>select wide receiver Ryan Flinoy out of Southeast Missouri.

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<v Speaker 5>What do we know? Freak athlete, absolute freak of an

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<v Speaker 5>athlete For those that subscribe to the relative athletic scale,

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<v Speaker 5>which is one to ten athletics and four prospects coming

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<v Speaker 5>in that measured against the database of other prospects in

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<v Speaker 5>previous years. Nine point eight eight. Yeah, nine point eight

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<v Speaker 5>eight on the scale of one to ten. He is

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<v Speaker 5>an absolute freak. And he's also going to come in

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<v Speaker 5>and immediately challenged to be your Michael Galluper replacement.

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<v Speaker 3>He jumping over the young guy.

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<v Speaker 5>He has the size and he can go up and

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<v Speaker 5>go over smaller cornerbacks, small smaller defensive backs at the

0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:25.040
<v Speaker 5>point of attech. He attacks with violence, much like Michael

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<v Speaker 5>Gallup did. He has the footwork to be able to

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<v Speaker 5>get his feet down much like Michael Gallup did. So

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<v Speaker 5>we talk a lot about, you know, Jaylen Tobert, hopefully

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<v Speaker 5>saying more opportunities and things like that. Well, news for

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<v Speaker 5>Jaylen Tobert is that he's going to have some real

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<v Speaker 5>competition here with a guy like Florida.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. This guy is a great looking player physically.

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<v Speaker 8>And I'll side a question here because of I like

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<v Speaker 8>Brandon Rice of us, Jerry SI's son. Yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 8>where and they don't give a damn what I think.

0:40:51.680 --> 0:40:53.319
<v Speaker 8>But you know, my board the way I had it

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<v Speaker 8>when we were talking about the draft, I was like,

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<v Speaker 8>maybe I would consider Rice at this point, but Florinoy

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<v Speaker 8>is h He's one of these guys. He's a good

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 8>looking player physically six twenties two h two. I've seen them,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, I've seen him catch the.

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<v Speaker 3>Ball behind him.

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<v Speaker 8>He'll gather himself and then get into the end zone.

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<v Speaker 8>He's really he's got natural hands. He thrives on the

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<v Speaker 8>underneath routes and the ability to catch the ball in

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:17.840
<v Speaker 8>the move. He's got no issues with that. He's really

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:19.280
<v Speaker 8>a natural pass catcher.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe a little bit.

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<v Speaker 8>Of a downside on him is the' be twenty five

0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 8>years old later in the season, so you know, but

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<v Speaker 8>the development there. You know, we talk about players that

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<v Speaker 8>end up like at Southeast Missouri and at places like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I have no trouble with that. You know.

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<v Speaker 8>Jerry Rice went to school at Mississippi Valley, Walter Payton

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:38.839
<v Speaker 8>went to school at Jackson State. Players play, you go

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:40.840
<v Speaker 8>find him, is what you do. I think maybe some

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<v Speaker 8>people in the in the Big twelve might have missed

0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:43.680
<v Speaker 8>this kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, some people might have.

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 8>He probably should have been playing at one of these,

0:41:47.800 --> 0:41:50.400
<v Speaker 8>uh one of these Power five schools. But here he

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<v Speaker 8>is at Southeast Missouri. He physically, like I say, he's

0:41:53.520 --> 0:41:55.800
<v Speaker 8>a great looking kid and he can catch the football.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you're not gonna out muscle him. You're not going

0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 5>to out athlete him. Might be getsnocked to him. Was

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.680
<v Speaker 5>he just needs to refine his route running, which isn't

0:42:03.760 --> 0:42:06.240
<v Speaker 5>unheard of when you're talking about a prototypical X receiver

0:42:06.280 --> 0:42:07.880
<v Speaker 5>Michael Gallat That was one of the things that he

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<v Speaker 5>needed to work on. So if this kid can come

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<v Speaker 5>in and add route running to his arsenal and his size,

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:15.560
<v Speaker 5>he can be lethal.

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:17.640
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't run many routes right.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, super super athletic.

0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:23.760
<v Speaker 9>Of everything I saw from him, I absolutely liked, especially

0:42:23.840 --> 0:42:27.920
<v Speaker 9>like his hand and he What's going to be interesting

0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:32.840
<v Speaker 9>is what happens with how everything sorts out during training

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:34.919
<v Speaker 9>camp and all of that, because I do think this

0:42:34.960 --> 0:42:40.759
<v Speaker 9>guy has a legitimate chance of competing for a spot.

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 10>But are you.

0:42:42.800 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 9>Willing to make a big move like that if you're

0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:48.520
<v Speaker 9>the coaching staff and give him a less experienced guy

0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:49.880
<v Speaker 9>over the guys that they have.

0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:53.520
<v Speaker 10>I'm blanking out on his name. No, No, totally. The

0:42:53.560 --> 0:42:58.480
<v Speaker 10>other one that we love, Yes, Jalen Jalen Brooks. That's

0:42:58.520 --> 0:42:59.480
<v Speaker 10>a guy to watch.

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:02.799
<v Speaker 9>Yes, he's shown some things, so I'm curious to see

0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:06.160
<v Speaker 9>what happens and how things get sorted out, but love

0:43:06.200 --> 0:43:06.800
<v Speaker 9>the pick.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, real quick.

0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:09.759
<v Speaker 7>We got two more picks we need to get to both.

0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:11.879
<v Speaker 7>In the seventh round, we had picked two thirty three,

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<v Speaker 7>we had offensive tackle Nathan Thomas out of Louisiana Lafayette,

0:43:15.200 --> 0:43:17.959
<v Speaker 7>and then it picked two forty four defensive tackle Justin

0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 7>Rodgers out of Auburn, giving me his ear your thoughts

0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:21.759
<v Speaker 7>on those two players.

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<v Speaker 5>Real quick. On Nathan Thomas, this is the Cowboys tripling

0:43:25.360 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 5>down on the offensive line. This is a fairly athletic

0:43:27.760 --> 0:43:31.520
<v Speaker 5>kid considering his size. He has the arm length and

0:43:31.560 --> 0:43:33.840
<v Speaker 5>he has versatility as well. He can play tackle, he

0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:36.799
<v Speaker 5>can play some guard. Wondering if the Cowboys are going

0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:38.840
<v Speaker 5>to play him more interior next year. We'll see how

0:43:38.880 --> 0:43:43.000
<v Speaker 5>that goes. But his power in his hands is insane.

0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:46.680
<v Speaker 5>Once he gets his hands on a would be pass

0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:49.600
<v Speaker 5>rusher or defensive line and it's just a rap. Once

0:43:49.600 --> 0:43:51.800
<v Speaker 5>he engages with you, he's going to steer you like

0:43:52.320 --> 0:43:54.880
<v Speaker 5>a car. Basically, biggest knock to him is he just

0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.480
<v Speaker 5>needs to improve his lateral movement. And that's why I

0:43:57.480 --> 0:44:00.279
<v Speaker 5>could see them the Cowboys possibly moving him in to

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:02.439
<v Speaker 5>see what he has there. But if they well find

0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:04.640
<v Speaker 5>that lateral movement, then yeah, he can be a viable

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 5>swing tackle for you.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, the thing about him was he probably went much higher.

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:10.879
<v Speaker 8>There's a medical condition about him that some teams kind

0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:13.480
<v Speaker 8>of came off of there. But the upper body strength,

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:16.200
<v Speaker 8>the power. He's really good at setting away from the

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:18.040
<v Speaker 8>line of scrimmage. And you watch him in the running

0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:20.080
<v Speaker 8>game when he plays in space for a man that big,

0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:22.040
<v Speaker 8>he does a great job of finding this guy and

0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 8>then being able to eliminate that. You see him on

0:44:24.640 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 8>the reaches, the scoop block, stuff like that. He's got

0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:30.000
<v Speaker 8>the athletic ability to make those types of plays.

0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:34.759
<v Speaker 9>He has the physique for sure, the size, and I

0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 9>love the versatility that he can bring where he can

0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:42.879
<v Speaker 9>play guard and tackle. But I was surprised that they

0:44:42.960 --> 0:44:46.840
<v Speaker 9>went for another offensive lineman. Again, I'm no draft expert.

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:48.840
<v Speaker 9>I don't know who else was available that could have

0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:52.200
<v Speaker 9>been better, but I will say I was surprised that

0:44:52.280 --> 0:44:54.000
<v Speaker 9>they went for another alignment there.

0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:56.080
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, at that point, you're trying to just get guys

0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 7>traits right, and you're trying to see if we can

0:44:58.239 --> 0:44:59.440
<v Speaker 7>turn those traits into players.

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:01.920
<v Speaker 5>And this is what were you try to avoid because

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:05.280
<v Speaker 5>if you have these guys picked this high priority undrafted

0:45:05.280 --> 0:45:07.239
<v Speaker 5>free agents and you're in the seventh throne. On your

0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:08.960
<v Speaker 5>final pick, you just go ahead and pull that trigger

0:45:09.000 --> 0:45:11.239
<v Speaker 5>to keep them from possibly negotiating and leave it for

0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 5>another team.

0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 7>And the ones you think you have the least amount

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 7>of opportunity to be able to sign as under free agents. Right,

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:18.640
<v Speaker 7>so the ones that you think are going to be

0:45:18.719 --> 0:45:20.600
<v Speaker 7>more highly coveded, you go ahead and pick those, or

0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:22.759
<v Speaker 7>you think for whatever reason they would not want to

0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:24.560
<v Speaker 7>come to your team, whether there's you know, a lot

0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 7>of depth and they don't think they'd have a shot

0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 7>like those are the kind of picks you just make,

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 7>make them come exactly. And finally talk about Justin Rodgers

0:45:31.200 --> 0:45:33.239
<v Speaker 7>out of Auburn. What are you looking at there?

0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:34.919
<v Speaker 8>He was the last one that you could have taken

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:37.960
<v Speaker 8>that had that size, that one technique size. There's a

0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:40.600
<v Speaker 8>couple of him and Anderson from a Florida Atlantic were

0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:42.640
<v Speaker 8>the last two guys, So there you go.

0:45:43.080 --> 0:45:43.520
<v Speaker 3>Size.

0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 8>He's you know Patrick was talking about you know, you

0:45:46.520 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 8>talked about where he played in the in the SEC

0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 8>at Auburn, physical player, point of attack transfer from Kentucky.

0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 8>You know they've kind of they've kind of looking for

0:45:53.719 --> 0:45:56.400
<v Speaker 8>that type of guy, but he was the very last

0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:59.680
<v Speaker 8>one that you could have drafted that could have probably

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 8>helped you at one technique playing at that size.

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:05.839
<v Speaker 5>This is one of those rare times where looking at

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:08.600
<v Speaker 5>his athleticism as it goes to the ras the relative

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:11.200
<v Speaker 5>athletic score, I was actually excited that it was like

0:46:11.280 --> 0:46:14.479
<v Speaker 5>one point eight. The reason I was excited is because

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:16.719
<v Speaker 5>this is simply a guy that's just under six '

0:46:16.719 --> 0:46:20.440
<v Speaker 5>three and he is absolutely massive. I don't care if

0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:23.480
<v Speaker 5>he's athletic. He's going to eat up double teams and

0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 5>that's what you need your nose tackle to do. He

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:28.000
<v Speaker 5>has the hand strength to be able to not only

0:46:28.000 --> 0:46:30.480
<v Speaker 5>eat them up with power through and push the interior

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 5>of the pocket. I think that this is and I

0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 5>could see why they didn't want to risk him to

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:37.239
<v Speaker 5>undraft a free agency. He has a very real opportunity.

0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 5>With Carl Davis was resigned, that's wonderful. Shouts out to

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:43.480
<v Speaker 5>Carl Davis. But if you're talking about a player, especially

0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:46.319
<v Speaker 5>a flyer pick, which is the seventh round, who has

0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:48.680
<v Speaker 5>the ability to possibly come in as early as this

0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:51.719
<v Speaker 5>training camp and push to be you know the guy

0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:56.000
<v Speaker 5>behind Mazzi Smith or and also show Mazzi Smith what

0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:58.239
<v Speaker 5>you know. Remind Mozzi Smith what it means to play

0:46:58.280 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 5>nose tackle, get your weight back up Mazzi's myth and

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:03.960
<v Speaker 5>you know, get off the ball quickly and things like that. Obviously,

0:47:03.960 --> 0:47:06.680
<v Speaker 5>there's some some downsides to him, but this is just

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:10.120
<v Speaker 5>a massive human being who loves to get his hands dirty.

0:47:10.120 --> 0:47:12.880
<v Speaker 5>And there's a reason Will McClay called him big nasty

0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:14.879
<v Speaker 5>and I love that well.

0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 10>I was talking about size and.

0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:23.040
<v Speaker 9>Playing there, and he'll take off some size and he's

0:47:23.120 --> 0:47:25.839
<v Speaker 9>also good with stopping the run and he has some

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:29.880
<v Speaker 9>experience there, which is something that you currently like. So Grant,

0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:33.520
<v Speaker 9>I think it was a great pick, and surprisingly to me,

0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:35.880
<v Speaker 9>after watching some of his plays, I was surprised he

0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:40.200
<v Speaker 9>was still just there sitting waiting for someone to pick him.

0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:41.680
<v Speaker 8>It was a thin that was a thin group that

0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:44.120
<v Speaker 8>one technique and there's a couple of guys that were there.

0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:45.799
<v Speaker 3>Boy I could say he was there was there were

0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 3>several that were.

0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:49.799
<v Speaker 8>Drafted, and then he was really the last one that

0:47:49.920 --> 0:47:52.160
<v Speaker 8>you could have said, Okay, this guy has a chance

0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:52.839
<v Speaker 8>to help a team.

0:47:53.120 --> 0:47:54.879
<v Speaker 5>One of the only knocks I had against him really

0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:57.480
<v Speaker 5>quickly was that sometimes he can get high in his stance,

0:47:57.520 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 5>and he just needs to understand and get more consistent

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:01.319
<v Speaker 5>and standing low in his stance, because if he can

0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:04.759
<v Speaker 5>do that, then his momentum will continue to be devastating

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 5>upon impact. Once he gets a little tall in his stance,

0:48:07.120 --> 0:48:09.640
<v Speaker 5>he it's easier to move him around. So that's one thing.

0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:12.600
<v Speaker 5>But something that I came across and shout out to

0:48:12.640 --> 0:48:15.360
<v Speaker 5>Dan Brugler does magnificent work with funding these little tidbits.

0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:19.719
<v Speaker 5>This kid, this prospect, this young man received a scholarship

0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:22.719
<v Speaker 5>from Kentucky as an eighth grader. So if you want

0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:26.080
<v Speaker 5>to as an eighth grade what as an eighth.

0:48:25.840 --> 0:48:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Grade that means he had the size back in Yeah,

0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 2>we'll take him.

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:29.839
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:31.200
<v Speaker 10>I've never heard of him.

0:48:31.239 --> 0:48:33.840
<v Speaker 5>Yes, So if you want to know what the ceiling

0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:37.839
<v Speaker 5>is on this big monstrous nose tackle in eighth grade,

0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:39.960
<v Speaker 5>the University of Kentucky gave him a scholar You.

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Can't teach size, you can't. All right, Well, appreciate you, guys.

0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:42.920
<v Speaker 5>Jones.

0:48:42.960 --> 0:48:44.520
<v Speaker 7>We'll be back next week. We'll talk a little bit

0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:47.800
<v Speaker 7>more about this running back position. Cowboys pick up Ezekiel Elliott. Elliott,

0:48:47.840 --> 0:48:49.839
<v Speaker 7>We'll talk about how he fits into this as this

0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 7>backfield and what other things that Cowboys may be expected

0:48:53.120 --> 0:48:55.400
<v Speaker 7>to do at some point here, either before the season

0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:57.160
<v Speaker 7>or during the season. We'll talk about that next week.

0:48:57.160 --> 0:48:59.960
<v Speaker 7>Till then, for Patrick Walker, Brian brought us in Ambergarci.

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<v Speaker 7>I am Derek Elton. This has been the Break live

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