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Speaker 2: Cowboys, Let's go.

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Speaker 3: Are you ready for a break?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Are you ready for a break?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? Ready for a break?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 6: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 6: with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought us, Patrick Walker, and Derek Eagleton.

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Speaker 7: It is Wednesday, May first, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,

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Speaker 7: episode number five. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.

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Speaker 7: We are alive from this WVC Mortgage Studios at the Start,

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Speaker 7: presented by LG and today we recap the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 7: Cowboys had an interesting three days. We'll get into our

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Speaker 7: thoughts on each of the different picks and what they

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Speaker 7: bring to the Cowboys upsides and where there are risks

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Speaker 7: and all those sorts of things. We'll go pick by pick,

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Speaker 7: but before we go through that, just overall, and this

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Speaker 7: is not again you don't have to get into the

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Speaker 7: specifics of particular guys, but just overall, looking at how

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Speaker 7: the Cowboys conducted themselves throughout the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Well, your initial thoughts. Let's start first with you Patrick.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I was gonna let the draft network.

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Speaker 3: No, man, we're all good. You're the one that called

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Speaker 3: that Detroit trade.

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Speaker 2: He didn't call it out. We got to give him

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Speaker 5: So, first and foremost, thank you Cowboys for not only

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Speaker 5: striking a trade in the first round, but you were

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Speaker 5: able to still remain in position, striking position to be

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Speaker 5: able to get a starting offensive lineman and that became

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Speaker 5: Tyler Guyton. But then you were able to also parlay

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Speaker 5: that into the seventy third overall pick, which became Cooper

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Speaker 5: bb who I am a massive fan of. So yes,

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Speaker 5: you lost Graham Barton, but losing Graham Barton picked you

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Speaker 5: up guyten and BB. I can't be mad at that.

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Speaker 5: So I think that the first round they handled it magnificently.

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Speaker 5: They were even on the phone lines taking calls at

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Speaker 5: pick twenty nine to consider moving back further, maybe thirty one,

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Speaker 5: thirty two that had Kansas City on the phone. But

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Speaker 5: I did say last week that I didn't see a

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Speaker 5: scenario necessarily wherein they'd be comfortable moving out of the

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Speaker 5: first round. Why because they wanted fifth year control. Because

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Speaker 5: they're not typically an organization that gets deals done proactively.

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Speaker 5: That fifth year of control comes into play as Stephen

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Speaker 5: Jones about it post draft. He said, exactly absolutely, they

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Speaker 5: want the fifth year, so got that on Tyler Guy,

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Speaker 5: and I would have liked to see them come away

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Speaker 5: get back into that fourth round. I wanted to see

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Speaker 5: them use next year's draft collateral draft capital to be

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Speaker 5: able to do that. They weren't comfortable doing that. That's

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Speaker 5: one of my only knocks in that they let the

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Speaker 5: what did that cost them? A running back? You saw

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Speaker 5: that had to kill them to see that, and that

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Speaker 5: So those are my only knocks. But overall, when you

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Speaker 5: look at what they came away with talk about Marshawnneeland,

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Speaker 5: I think that although he's not one of the bigger

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Speaker 5: who's that guy? Go watch the film, there's a reason

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Speaker 5: a guy like Dame Brugler had him ranked I believe

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Speaker 5: thirty second in The Beast. If you don't subscribe to

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Speaker 5: the Beast and you're missing out there, But overall, you

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Speaker 5: triple down on the offensive line. You got yourself a

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Speaker 5: I like what they did. If they even got the

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Speaker 5: that's a flyer, but he comes from a big program.

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Speaker 5: He was impact for the big program in Auburn.

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Speaker 5: I like it a lot.

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Speaker 8: They coveted to tackle more than the center. They liked

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Speaker 8: They were able to recoup. Well, let me put it

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Speaker 8: this way, they found the right right team to trade

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Speaker 8: They were giving up picks, multiple picks anyway to move

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Speaker 8: I think they showed great discipline there. This kid's a

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Speaker 8: to get into all these kids and talk about them,

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Speaker 3: Of credit.

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Speaker 8: Their ability to be patient in some areas, their ability

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Speaker 3: Now, me personally, I love the Guide and Pick.

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Speaker 8: I think I love the BB Pick more and I

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Speaker 8: think bb is one of these guys. And we'll see,

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Speaker 8: we'll see about the potential transition from the guard to

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Speaker 8: the center. But if you talk about a guy that's

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Speaker 8: maybe a little bit more than Guidon is right now.

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Speaker 8: Guiden's Guiden's good player, but he's just gonna need a

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Speaker 7: Yeah, That's one of the things I seem to have

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Speaker 7: heard a lot as I've read different people's takes on

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Speaker 7: Whether that how much of a project he is not.

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Speaker 8: To the not to the point of project where you

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Speaker 2: Kid, Right, He's just a couple of things, you got.

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Speaker 8: There's there's some things that you're gonna have to deal

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Speaker 8: the same thing about Tyler Smith, you know, because Tyler

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Speaker 8: Smith led the nation and holding calls and it was

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Speaker 8: to your you know, I'm sorry, I mean to interrupt

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Speaker 8: you there, but it's not that project where you're like, I,

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Speaker 8: we're just taking a guy here and maybe we can

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Speaker 8: make it work. Now this this guy's got a little

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Speaker 8: lot of really good traits to his game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And I say this on in the post draft pod

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Speaker 5: and Ambar was there as well. Uh, money on the table.

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Speaker 5: I believe Geten is you're starting left tackle when week

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Speaker 5: his credit and like Brian is saying, he's not a

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Speaker 5: completely raw prospect. Right. So, he has played effectively at

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Speaker 5: the edge, albeit right tackle with Oklahoma, but in speaking

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Speaker 7: So he was checking the blind side of the quarterback

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Speaker 5: So I could see him just soaking up every single

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Speaker 2: Here's the magical question.

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Speaker 7: When you say you expect him to be the start

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Speaker 5: Be left tackle? The answer is yes, yes.

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Speaker 3: The answers yes, I think it's more you know, to me, yeah,

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Speaker 8: Me, I I don't think anybody at left tackle is

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Speaker 3: To me, that's that's where you know.

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Speaker 8: They they clearly had a need to draft a tackle

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Speaker 8: I'm I like the pick, I really really do.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 8: I was Fitanu was coming down the board that kid

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Speaker 3: Them one here.

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Speaker 8: You know this is this is a seedy lamb kind

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Speaker 8: it just didn't quite get there. But Guiden is a

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Speaker 8: very very good uh selection for them.

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Speaker 2: We got to welcome Ag to the show here.

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Speaker 3: She made it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, a fresh offer, fresh off a trip to Minnesota,

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Speaker 7: and I'm gonna drop a little nugget for y'all. She

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Speaker 7: was working on this project we got coming up for

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Speaker 7: Deep Blue teasers, and I'll just say Mary and the

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Speaker 7: Barbarian That's all I've got to say.

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Speaker 2: The Barbaria is involved in.

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Speaker 7: I know that's a fan favorite. It'll be a little

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Speaker 7: I think people will be excited about that. But anyway,

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Speaker 7: we're talking about the draft, i'd like you to give

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Speaker 7: me your general thoughts. Obviously don't have to go through

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Speaker 7: but just overall, What were your thoughts on how the

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Speaker 7: Cowboys approached the weekend.

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Speaker 9: I think overall it's uh. I like the picks that

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Speaker 9: But something inside me, it's kind of very I don't

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Speaker 10: Great, but I don't know, man, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: That's not a program right.

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Speaker 2: By the way the Cowboys are.

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Speaker 7: The Cowboys are coming off a year where they were

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Speaker 5: So and I mean, we're talking two years in, so

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Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think Tyler's going to settle

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Speaker 9: That's also potentially add to the mental pressure of things.

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Speaker 9: And again, maybe it's just that the anxiety and me

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Speaker 9: At what point did they actually miss one? And again,

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Speaker 9: I'm not trying to be pessimistic, and I want to

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Speaker 9: be very optimistic about everything that he can bring in

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Speaker 9: the trust that I put in Will McLay and his team.

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Speaker 9: But since you guys are forcing me to be on

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Speaker 9: now at this moment, Yeah, still still fair.

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Speaker 5: It is fair.

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Speaker 8: I wonder where they have this is just me, the

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Speaker 8: scout in me. I wonder where they had Tirian Arnold,

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Speaker 8: the corner from Alabama.

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Speaker 2: On their board that was the one who was picked

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Speaker 2: by Detroit.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, because I know on my board he was my

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Speaker 8: seventh overall player. And if you were playing the game

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Speaker 8: of best available player on the board, Terran Arnold would

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Speaker 8: be and should have I mean, and if you were

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Speaker 8: that was one of those things that all of a sudden,

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Speaker 8: talk about the blinking light.

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Speaker 3: To me, that was a blinking light if.

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Speaker 8: You didn't have the need and maybe this first pick,

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Speaker 8: this tackle pick was about need.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was.

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Speaker 7: But I think the need was was not necessarily just

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Speaker 7: we need another pick. We got too many, we got

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Speaker 7: too many holes we got to fill. We need options

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Speaker 7: like and so I think for them, I think trading back.

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Speaker 7: For me, even if you were going to look at

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Speaker 7: and the center potentially as opposed to taking the I think.

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Speaker 8: If Troy Fatanu from Washington was on that board when

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Speaker 8: at twenty four they wouldn't have got the seventy third

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Speaker 8: were gonna think, Okay, maybe we can do it some

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Speaker 8: other way down the line. The fact that they were

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Speaker 8: But I think if a certain a certain player or

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Speaker 8: two was there, I don't see them trading back.

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Speaker 2: I will tell you this.

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Speaker 7: Going into the draft, and we heard some some things

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Speaker 7: was a high percentage chance as far as the way

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Speaker 7: they were looking at going into the draft that they

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Speaker 7: were going to trade back.

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Speaker 2: I think their.

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Speaker 7: Expectation was, we are trading back and we're gonna find

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Speaker 7: the right partner to be take an extra pick. And

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Speaker 7: not only did they find the right partner, they found

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Speaker 7: the right part of that got them that overpaid to

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Speaker 7: come up so they could get a guy like Cooper Bebe.

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Speaker 8: I had a Detroit fan argue with me though about

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Speaker 8: this and any not argue, but made a point the

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Speaker 8: cost them to go from twenty nine to get Arnold

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Speaker 3: Is actually a deal. Yeah, no doubt they for the

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Speaker 8: You know, I was thinking about you know what, Yeah,

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Speaker 8: it's overpay on the chart, But for Detroit to go

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Speaker 7: You paid the price for a higher quality play. It

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Speaker 5: And there's also the thing to consider in that, Yes,

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Speaker 5: they ended up getting gout in offensive tackle, high area

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Speaker 5: of need, but if Darius Robinson was still on the

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Speaker 5: twenty nine, there was a great chance they were going

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Speaker 5: to pull the trigger on Darius Robinson. They were very

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Speaker 5: He was in that discussion as well, So keep that

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Speaker 7: So all right, we're gonna take our first break when

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Speaker 2: All right, let's let's go through this list.

444
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Speaker 7: I want to throw out a name and then I

445
00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,000
Speaker 7: want you guys to kind of give me your thoughts.

446
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,720
Speaker 7: On the pick, what you think of it, and you

447
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,760
Speaker 7: know whether you think it's a good pick for the Cowboys,

448
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,000
Speaker 7: and what you see in that player that could be

449
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 7: good or bad. Let's start first the second pick, number

450
00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 7: fifty six overall defensive end, Marshawn Neeland out of Western Michigan.

451
00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:01,000
Speaker 5: Great pick, here's your here's your DeMarcus Lawrence clo In

452
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 5: my eyes, this this guy is he has some work

453
00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 5: to do and to be consistent in pass rushing off

454
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,080
Speaker 5: of the edge. He's shown signs obviously that he can

455
00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,679
Speaker 5: be disruptive in that capacity, but boy does he know

456
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,440
Speaker 5: how to seal the edge against the run. So absolutely

457
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,760
Speaker 5: bring it on some of those. I expect that he's

458
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 5: going to glue himself to the Marcus Lawrence, and I

459
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,080
Speaker 5: think that that's going to be his role going forward.

460
00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:24,040
Speaker 5: I absolutely love it.

461
00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 8: Really strong, not a bendy guy. So to me, this

462
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,639
Speaker 8: is where all of a sudden we blame linebackers and

463
00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,160
Speaker 8: defensive tackles for poor run defense. They said, the hell

464
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 8: with that, We're going to sign a guy that can

465
00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:38,560
Speaker 8: play the edges. They need to get better on the

466
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,640
Speaker 8: edges playing against the run, and this guy can do that. Though,

467
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 8: like I said, he is going to have to develop

468
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,440
Speaker 8: some pass rush skills, the effort, the chase, all that,

469
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,560
Speaker 8: though you know he's just not His first step is

470
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 8: really good, but he needs to find a way to

471
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 8: carry that to the corner. And like I said, he's

472
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 8: not the bendiest guy. When I think of Lawrence greg Ellis,

473
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 8: who was compared to kind of some stiffness in both

474
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 8: the way, especially with Ellis, but Ellis could get the

475
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 8: corner and then close it. This kid, I think is

476
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,679
Speaker 8: going to have to work to get to the corner.

477
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 8: But playing run defense, if he's not going to give

478
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 8: anything up playing run defense, he's just that powerful of

479
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 8: a guy.

480
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 9: Based on the plays that I did watch from him,

481
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,480
Speaker 9: something that stood out to me is his awareness, like

482
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 9: football awareness, where he can keep an eye and be

483
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 9: aware exactly kind of where the play is going or

484
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 9: where the ball is going, which is something that I've

485
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 9: seen with some of the defensive players in the past

486
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 9: that they struggle with sometimes of just kind of keeping

487
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 9: up with the speed. And I think he's a guy

488
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 9: that has shown again on the plays that I've watched,

489
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Speaker 9: that he can kind of keep up and we'll see

490
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Speaker 9: if that easily translates for like NFL speed, which.

491
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 10: Is a lot faster.

492
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 5: Yeah.

493
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,439
Speaker 7: The one thing that pops out to me is the

494
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Speaker 7: one play, one play why I should say the one

495
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 7: play one play that I saw from him a was

496
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 7: particularly impressive. I think is floating around the internet is

497
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 7: one where get the Diowa game where he beats his guy,

498
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 7: gets off him and then just decapitates the running back

499
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 7: and the running backs running kind of up the a gap.

500
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 7: So it's it's kind of that's what you're looking for

501
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 7: in this run game because so often what we saw

502
00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 7: from the Cowboys is guys kind of hold their they

503
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,919
Speaker 7: can't get off their blocks. The running back finds a

504
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 7: gap scene and he's in it and he's gone. And

505
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 7: in this sense, I love the fact he was able

506
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,240
Speaker 7: to shed, get down the line and actually make the tackle.

507
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,800
Speaker 7: That's something I think the Cowboys sorely need when it

508
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 7: comes to their their run defense.

509
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to pick number the third round.

510
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Speaker 2: Pick pick number seventy three was up.

511
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Speaker 7: Oh, you're talking about come over Cooper BB, offensive lineman

512
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 7: from Kansas State. The expectation is he will be a

513
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 7: guy that they will slide into the center position.

514
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 5: Your thoughts Heart Aye Emoji Cooper bb Is. He's a

515
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,719
Speaker 5: he's a mauler, he's a road greater. You know, one

516
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:58,160
Speaker 5: of the reasons that he was available in the third

517
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,199
Speaker 5: round would be you look at something like his His

518
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 5: wingspans not the longest, his arms aren't the longest. But

519
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 5: he was effective at tackle for Kansas State. He showed

520
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 5: he can do that. I don't think that he has

521
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 5: the arm and wingspan to be able to do that

522
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 5: at the NFL level, but this is a guy who's

523
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 5: played all five spots on the offensive line and can

524
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 5: do it. We mentioned a little bit earlier about will

525
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 5: he be asked to take on the center road with Dallas.

526
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 5: I believe upfront Will he's already taking reps at center

527
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 5: as far as preparation goes with our good friend Duke Miniweather.

528
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 5: So he's already in preparation for that. But when you

529
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 5: talk about physical stature, he is a unit and he

530
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 5: has a demeanor that is visceral and brutal, and he

531
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 5: wants to in his own words, he likes to quote

532
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 5: dirt guys. He wants to beat those guys sense lists

533
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,399
Speaker 5: that are trying to come at him. So over the

534
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 5: course of four quarters. They just don't want to see

535
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 5: him anymore. That's the kind of demeanor the Cowboys have

536
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 5: been lacking at center. But also even when you look

537
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,440
Speaker 5: at Tyler Byadish, one of the biggest knocks on Biadish

538
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 5: was strength issues. Strength issues. We can sit here and

539
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 5: say that Cooper B. B doesn't have the longest arms.

540
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 5: With the power that's in those arms in his hands,

541
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 5: it will more than get the job done for the Cowboys.

542
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 5: I could not love this pick more than I do.

543
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 8: He's an old school offensive lineman guys I used to

544
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 8: watch when I was a kid back in the.

545
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 3: Seventies, in the eighties growing up.

546
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 8: He gets real close to you, and he is he

547
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 8: doesn't have the arm link to really to extend on you.

548
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 8: But where he does is he once he gets a

549
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 8: hold of you, he is going to maul you. And

550
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 8: you would think that at six three three twenty two

551
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 8: he would have problems getting to the second level with

552
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 8: foot quickness.

553
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 3: And a balance in those things. Not at all.

554
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 8: I mean, he can, he can hitch you, he can

555
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 8: target guys. He's got accuracy with the way he finds

556
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 8: his guys. He's a little bit of a push shove blocker.

557
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 8: Like I say, when you get real close to somebody,

558
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 8: that's how you're gonna play. But he will knock down

559
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 8: as many defenders as he can on a given play.

560
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 8: I've seen him like secure down linemen and then get

561
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 8: to the second level and knock another guy down there.

562
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 8: So we'll have to see, Like I say, the center

563
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 8: part of it's gonna be a little different from him

564
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 8: because here he's coming out of a stance and going

565
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 8: in and executing snapping the ball, stepping and then going

566
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 8: will be something that he's done before in his career.

567
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 8: But now he's gonna have to get back on that

568
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 8: horse though, and play it at a much higher level.

569
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 9: I don't judge people by their looks, but it's always hilarious.

570
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 10: But it's always hilarious to me when you see Linement

571
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 10: that their.

572
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 9: Face is just so innocent, like Anna.

573
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 10: On the field. And that's the thing.

574
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 9: You see pictures of him, you see videos of him

575
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 9: just like not playing and it's like okay, bro, like

576
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 9: who are you?

577
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 10: What are you gonna do?

578
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 9: And then you watch the plays on the field and

579
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 9: this guy is so aggressive and that's exactly what you

580
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 9: need from in lignment. He's so aggressive, aggressive, does not

581
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 9: give up on the play and will literally stop once

582
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 9: the whistle stopped, like once it hears that, okay, but

583
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 9: he just it's it's amazing. And by the way, just

584
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 9: to give you guys an insight, when that pak was made,

585
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 9: everybody here in the office was going crazy watching the

586
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 9: highlights watch.

587
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 10: So that's very very exciting.

588
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll tell you this from from my perspective watching

589
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 7: him when he played the Longhorns last year, which that

590
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 7: was the strength of our team, was our defensive tackles,

591
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 7: and he did a really good job against those I

592
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 7: don't know that I saw another team do as well

593
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 7: against those two guys all year.

594
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 3: The West Virginia Center.

595
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 8: Fraser has a pretty nice day against those guys, and

596
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 8: that's why you would like talk about him as a

597
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 8: as a guy as you would have possibly have drafted.

598
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 7: But I just thought the way he handled physically, and

599
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 7: those are big guys, I mean, both those guys are

600
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 7: really big, very powerful, and he handled them pretty well.

601
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 7: And I think that's what what turned me on to

602
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 7: Cooper Beebe and I love that. I love also the

603
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 7: idea that they're getting a little bit meaner. That was

604
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 7: one of the things actually with Geyton, he said in

605
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 7: his press conference, they asked him about playing next to

606
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 7: Tyler Smith, and he said, the thing I love the

607
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 7: most about Tyler Smith is that.

608
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: He plays with the nastiess.

609
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 7: He says, I like to play like that too, and

610
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 7: so I'm thinking, Okay, that gives me another guy that

611
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 7: plays nasty like Tyler, and then you give me a

612
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 7: center that plays nasty like that, and obviously just the

613
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 7: skill of a Martin and Still who also can be

614
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 7: a little nasty when he wants to be as well.

615
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 7: I love the nastiness of this offensive line in a

616
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 7: season where, let's be honest, like they're gonna need to

617
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 7: block really well if this running game is gonna get

618
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 7: off the ground, and so I love that.

619
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 5: A lother thing that Cooper BB does exceptionally well is

620
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 5: run blocking. He will carve lanes and like Ambar said,

621
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 5: he'll knock the first guy in the dirt and then

622
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 5: he's on the hunt for the second guy. He's at

623
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 5: the second level. So in that aspect, he reminds me

624
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 5: of like what Lyle Collins would do. When you'd see

625
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 5: Lyle Collins running down the field almost with the running back.

626
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 5: That's Cooper BB. He wants to get his hands dirty.

627
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 7: All right, Let's go to the second pick of the

628
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 7: third round, who was picked number eighty seven, lineback of

629
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 7: marist Lea Foule from Notre Dame.

630
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts?

631
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 5: I like it, and the Cowboys did not want to

632
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 5: risk losing him by moving back out of that spot

633
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 5: or by taking a running back there, because they felt like,

634
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 5: obviously when they went back on the clock that he

635
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 5: would not be available. This is a young man with

636
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 5: an exceptional wing span. I'm going to also read from

637
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 5: my skeleting reporting him here eighty six percent tile and

638
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 5: arm length. Not the fastest guy out there, but also

639
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 5: not the slowest. He's four to six plus in the

640
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 5: forty which, as far as linebackers in this classgow seventieth percentile,

641
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 5: so he's far above average there. His demeanor is gruesome,

642
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 5: like he wants to get it in. He wants to

643
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 5: tap in on every single play. Covers extremely well. My

644
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 5: only concern with him is that he needs to learn

645
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 5: how to drop gears when it's time to drop gil gear.

646
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 5: Some of his pursuit angles lead to over pursuit because

647
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 5: he's trying so desperately to get to the play that

648
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 5: he kind of gets caught at the wrong angle. But

649
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 5: if he can kind of refine those skills, I think

650
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 5: he can be a player for the Cowboys, definitely. Sideline.

651
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 5: Sideline reminds me of what Overshown brings to the table

652
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 5: as far as like that that long rangey cover guy.

653
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 5: But when when Maris gets his hands on you and

654
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 5: when he can make contact, he really wants you to

655
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 5: remember who just hit you. And that's that's that Mike Zimmer.

656
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 5: I think Mike Zimmer sees that in him, and that's

657
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 5: where he's going to come into play.

658
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 8: He's a traditional off ball linebacker and you can use

659
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 8: him as an edge rusher as well. He plays with

660
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 8: physicality and a sense of urgency to his game. He's

661
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 8: got the size of the functional strength. I think he's maxed

662
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 8: out though at six two, two thirty four. I don't

663
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 8: think he's going to get much bigger.

664
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Speaker 2: Than is that undersize or is that okay?

665
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 8: That's okay, that's okay for right now. And you know,

666
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 8: the thing about him is though he's got good patience

667
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 8: and he's got disciplined in the way he diagnoses. He

668
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 8: doesn't take many false steps as a player, there's some

669
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Speaker 8: explosive power to the way he plays when he steps

670
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 8: up and he fills. He's fast in pursuit, and you

671
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 8: know he'll chase ball carriers down where he I like

672
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 8: him too. You can use him in coverage. You know,

673
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 8: you could see him. He'll carry tight ends, he'll take

674
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 8: backs in the flat. Those are the types of things.

675
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 8: He's kind of got some completeness to his game that way.

676
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 8: The thing about him as a tackler is though he

677
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 8: will wrap up. There's a lot of times you see

678
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 8: him in space he'll wrap up and do a good

679
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 8: job of that. Then other times you'll see him kind

680
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 8: of miss and so he needs to be a little

681
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 8: bit more consistent in that area. But he does a

682
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 8: great job of getting to the football.

683
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 9: I have mixed opinions on him because even though Brian

684
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 9: you said the size is good personally for me, I

685
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 9: like my linebackers a little bit bigger and and I'm

686
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 9: exactly and I'm already kind of missing that from Overshawn,

687
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 9: Like we haven't seen him yet.

688
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 10: I haven't seen him recently, so I don't know how.

689
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 2: I think he can put on some weight.

690
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 7: I think he is frame and can carry a little

691
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 7: bit more overshon put on way.

692
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Speaker 10: I haven't seen him recently, so I don't know how days.

693
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 5: And he looks good.

694
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 10: Okay, that's good.

695
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 5: That's good, like it looks good well, and energy is great.

696
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 5: He can't wait to get back up.

697
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 8: The thing with Mike is Mike will play with a

698
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 8: linebacker because he did it with Dak Wynn and Dexter Kochley.

699
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 8: If you're small, Mike needs you to be small, smart

700
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 8: and quick with their thoughts on how to play. He

701
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 8: Mike can't use you if if you're small and you

702
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 8: don't play that way with instincts and quickness of thinking,

703
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 8: he won't.

704
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: He won't play you.

705
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 8: So this kid kind of fits into the bill of

706
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 8: being able to think and react the way you need

707
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 8: to do it. So I mean to me, this is

708
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 8: the one point in the draft, though, where I had

709
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 8: two running backs on the board and I was thinking, Okay,

710
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 8: you drafted two offensive linemen. Now go fix this running game.

711
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 8: Now go get Lloyd from USC, or go get right

712
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 8: from Tennessee. You know that's where I That's where I

713
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 8: would have gone. But I understand what they did here.

714
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 8: We interviewed day three of the draft. We interviewed Scott McCurley,

715
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 8: the linebackers coach. He didn't want to go through that.

716
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 8: He said, Hey, God bless Marquise Bell for the way

717
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 8: he played, you know, God bless all those guys for

718
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 8: stepping in. They ran out of linebackers. They were sure

719
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 8: at that spot and it affected the way they play.

720
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Speaker 5: Well.

721
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Speaker 8: The picks they made with Neelan and this kid, they're

722
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 8: gonna try and help themselves in the running game.

723
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Speaker 5: And also keep in mind, this is a book Cats

724
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 5: Award semi finalists from last year. So for anyone who's

725
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 5: wondering if this kid, just generally speaking, if this kid

726
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 5: can play, he can absolutely play. You don't get that

727
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Speaker 5: far in the book Case Award nomination if you don't

728
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Speaker 5: know how to impact games.

729
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 8: They had two good linebackers there, kid Bertrand got picked

730
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 8: a little bit later in the draft. But you watch

731
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 8: Notre Dame's linebackers, they're downhill players.

732
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 9: Well, something that we talked about quite a lot last

733
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 9: year as far as some of the issues on the

734
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 9: defense was the lack of size and just those types

735
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 9: of matchups where you have the right amount of power

736
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 9: and size to go up against some of those offensive

737
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 9: players last year. But either way, I think and this

738
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739
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 9: what Mike Zimmer is going to bring to the table.

740
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 9: And every coach has a different for different body types

741
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 9: and player preferences for those guys, So we'll see how

742
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 9: he exactly fits in. But definitely a good pick in

743
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 9: the sense that it does address the linebacker position, which

744
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 9: for me, I saw it a bigger need there rather

745
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 9: than the running back. And I know that's a debatable topic,

746
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 9: but yeah, happy with it.

747
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Speaker 7: in We've got the fifth, sixth, and two seventh round

804
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 7: picks that we need to talk about. Let's start with

805
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Speaker 7: the fifth round pick, pick number one, seventy four, defensive

806
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 7: back Kaylin Carson out of Wake Forest.

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Speaker 5: What do we know. I'll make this real quick, great athlete,

808
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 5: great value for the Cowboys. Here two way player, former

809
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 5: two way player. He played wide receiver and cornerback in

810
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 5: his recent football career. Full four two i'm sorry, full

811
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 5: four to eight second forty yard dash, which is comparable

812
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 5: to what Trayvon Diggs did. I think Trayvon was a

813
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 5: full four to two, full four three something like that.

814
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 5: So not the fastest, but definitely not slow as well.

815
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 5: He's going to be somebody who can be disruptive with

816
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 5: both his catch radius when you talk about his arms.

817
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 5: Doesn't have the biggest hands, but he can be there

818
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 5: at the point of attack nearly every time. He's frustrating

819
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 5: to cornerback I'm sorry to route receivers because he likes

820
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 5: the press, he likes to get his hands dirty. He'll

821
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 5: get up on you at the line of scrimmage and

822
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 5: make that route a little bit difficult to get off

823
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 5: of on the release. So overall and at the same

824
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 5: time because he was formerly a wide receiver, not unlike

825
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 5: Trayvon Diggs. He can diagnose quarterbacks reads in real time,

826
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 5: probably faster than most traditional cornerbacks can. So I like

827
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 5: this big.

828
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 8: Watch the Florida State game man. They got some cats

829
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 8: that can play over on that other side, big time

830
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 8: receivers over there, and he was up to the task.

831
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 8: You know, he's a very competitive, he's a fiery guy.

832
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 8: The way he plays, he's quick footed. He plays is

833
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 8: what we call field corner, and a field corner plays

834
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 8: the whole open side of the field. You hear boundary

835
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 8: corners and scouting and you hear field corners. Jerry Madaline

836
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 8: so proud of me right now, Yeah, and he is so.

837
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 8: But a boundary corner uses the sidelines. Field corner uses

838
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 8: the field. So what you're going to have to do

839
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 8: is you carry the whole field, so you carry all

840
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 8: those routes. This kid's got the ability. He could play

841
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 8: both sides. But what you want to do with him

842
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 8: is maybe think about him with a slot corner. Where

843
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 8: he's gonna have to improve is he will get his

844
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 8: hands on balls, he will knock down passes and stuff

845
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 8: like that. He's got to do a better job of

846
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 8: intercepting the passes and so you know he's but he's

847
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 8: a very willing tackler. He's he's right on the spot

848
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 8: when he does that. The link demeanor is very very good.

849
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 8: I love the way he plays.

850
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: The inbreaking routes.

851
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 8: You get those inbreaking routes and you have somebody that

852
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 8: can carry in breaking routes as a corner those are

853
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 8: the guys you want to play with on your team.

854
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 8: This guy's was a really nice pick for them.

855
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 9: Well, another thing is his special team's ability and what

856
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 9: he brings there. And it's going to be interesting because

857
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 9: now with the new rules on punts and kicking and

858
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 9: all that, you got to change up and you need

859
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 9: guys to help with all of that. So I think

860
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 9: it's a good pick. You know, need to see more

861
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 9: from him, but not bad.

862
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 7: Everything I've seen and heard about him is very very positive.

863
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 7: My question becomes why was he available in the fifth round?

864
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 3: You know what there was.

865
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Speaker 8: It was one of the deepest drafts of cornerbacks that

866
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 8: I think I've been a part of. And I know

867
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 8: I got to the point O eisham Worse and I

868
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 8: were laughing about it. Felt like you looked at thirty corners,

869
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 8: you know, and this sometimes, like you say, there's there's

870
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 8: different traits for players that I think where you look

871
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 8: at him, maybe people dingmed him on the ball skills,

872
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 8: maybe they deemed him a little bit on the speed.

873
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 8: But to me, you know, I just I even said

874
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 8: it on the Draft show when they made the pick,

875
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 8: I'm like, now they're back on track, you know. I

876
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 8: was kind of thinking, you know, I didn't want them

877
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 8: just to reach on running back, yead. The last thing

878
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 8: I wanted him to do is just Okay, we're going

879
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 8: to take a running back because we have to take.

880
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: A running back. No, they took a legitimate player here

881
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 3: that can help them. I just said.

882
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 8: I but the depth of the position, the ball skills,

883
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 8: and maybe a little bit of his.

884
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 3: Speed might have got people off him a little all right.

885
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 7: In the sixth round, Cowboys that pick number two sixteen

886
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 7: select wide receiver Ryan Flinoy out of Southeast Missouri.

887
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 5: What do we know? Freak athlete, absolute freak of an

888
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 5: athlete For those that subscribe to the relative athletic scale,

889
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 5: which is one to ten athletics and four prospects coming

890
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 5: in that measured against the database of other prospects in

891
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 5: previous years. Nine point eight eight. Yeah, nine point eight

892
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 5: eight on the scale of one to ten. He is

893
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 5: an absolute freak. And he's also going to come in

894
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 5: and immediately challenged to be your Michael Galluper replacement.

895
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 3: He jumping over the young guy.

896
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 5: He has the size and he can go up and

897
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 5: go over smaller cornerbacks, small smaller defensive backs at the

898
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 5: point of attech. He attacks with violence, much like Michael

899
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 5: Gallup did. He has the footwork to be able to

900
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 5: get his feet down much like Michael Gallup did. So

901
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 5: we talk a lot about, you know, Jaylen Tobert, hopefully

902
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 5: saying more opportunities and things like that. Well, news for

903
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 5: Jaylen Tobert is that he's going to have some real

904
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 5: competition here with a guy like Florida.

905
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. This guy is a great looking player physically.

906
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 8: And I'll side a question here because of I like

907
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 8: Brandon Rice of us, Jerry SI's son. Yeah, this is

908
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 8: where and they don't give a damn what I think.

909
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 8: But you know, my board the way I had it

910
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 8: when we were talking about the draft, I was like,

911
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 8: maybe I would consider Rice at this point, but Florinoy

912
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 8: is h He's one of these guys. He's a good

913
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 8: looking player physically six twenties two h two. I've seen them,

914
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 8: you know, I've seen him catch the.

915
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 3: Ball behind him.

916
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 8: He'll gather himself and then get into the end zone.

917
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 8: He's really he's got natural hands. He thrives on the

918
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 8: underneath routes and the ability to catch the ball in

919
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 8: the move. He's got no issues with that. He's really

920
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 8: a natural pass catcher.

921
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 3: Maybe a little bit.

922
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 8: Of a downside on him is the' be twenty five

923
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 8: years old later in the season, so you know, but

924
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 8: the development there. You know, we talk about players that

925
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 8: end up like at Southeast Missouri and at places like that.

926
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 3: I have no trouble with that. You know.

927
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 8: Jerry Rice went to school at Mississippi Valley, Walter Payton

928
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 8: went to school at Jackson State. Players play, you go

929
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 8: find him, is what you do. I think maybe some

930
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 8: people in the in the Big twelve might have missed

931
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 8: this kid.

932
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, some people might have.

933
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 8: He probably should have been playing at one of these,

934
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 8: uh one of these Power five schools. But here he

935
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 8: is at Southeast Missouri. He physically, like I say, he's

936
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 8: a great looking kid and he can catch the football.

937
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're not gonna out muscle him. You're not going

938
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 5: to out athlete him. Might be getsnocked to him. Was

939
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 5: he just needs to refine his route running, which isn't

940
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 5: unheard of when you're talking about a prototypical X receiver

941
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 5: Michael Gallat That was one of the things that he

942
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 5: needed to work on. So if this kid can come

943
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 5: in and add route running to his arsenal and his size,

944
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 5: he can be lethal.

945
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 3: He doesn't run many routes right.

946
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, super super athletic.

947
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,760
Speaker 9: Of everything I saw from him, I absolutely liked, especially

948
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 9: like his hand and he What's going to be interesting

949
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 9: is what happens with how everything sorts out during training

950
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 9: camp and all of that, because I do think this

951
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 9: guy has a legitimate chance of competing for a spot.

952
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 10: But are you.

953
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 9: Willing to make a big move like that if you're

954
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 9: the coaching staff and give him a less experienced guy

955
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 9: over the guys that they have.

956
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 10: I'm blanking out on his name. No, No, totally. The

957
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 10: other one that we love, Yes, Jalen Jalen Brooks. That's

958
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 10: a guy to watch.

959
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 9: Yes, he's shown some things, so I'm curious to see

960
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 9: what happens and how things get sorted out, but love

961
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 9: the pick.

962
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: All right, real quick.

963
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 7: We got two more picks we need to get to both.

964
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 7: In the seventh round, we had picked two thirty three,

965
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 7: we had offensive tackle Nathan Thomas out of Louisiana Lafayette,

966
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 7: and then it picked two forty four defensive tackle Justin

967
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 7: Rodgers out of Auburn, giving me his ear your thoughts

968
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 7: on those two players.

969
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 5: Real quick. On Nathan Thomas, this is the Cowboys tripling

970
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 5: down on the offensive line. This is a fairly athletic

971
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 5: kid considering his size. He has the arm length and

972
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 5: he has versatility as well. He can play tackle, he

973
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 5: can play some guard. Wondering if the Cowboys are going

974
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 5: to play him more interior next year. We'll see how

975
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 5: that goes. But his power in his hands is insane.

976
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 5: Once he gets his hands on a would be pass

977
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 5: rusher or defensive line and it's just a rap. Once

978
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 5: he engages with you, he's going to steer you like

979
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 5: a car. Basically, biggest knock to him is he just

980
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 5: needs to improve his lateral movement. And that's why I

981
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 5: could see them the Cowboys possibly moving him in to

982
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,439
Speaker 5: see what he has there. But if they well find

983
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 5: that lateral movement, then yeah, he can be a viable

984
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 5: swing tackle for you.

985
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, the thing about him was he probably went much higher.

986
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 8: There's a medical condition about him that some teams kind

987
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 8: of came off of there. But the upper body strength,

988
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 8: the power. He's really good at setting away from the

989
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 8: line of scrimmage. And you watch him in the running

990
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 8: game when he plays in space for a man that big,

991
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 8: he does a great job of finding this guy and

992
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 8: then being able to eliminate that. You see him on

993
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 8: the reaches, the scoop block, stuff like that. He's got

994
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 8: the athletic ability to make those types of plays.

995
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 9: He has the physique for sure, the size, and I

996
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 9: love the versatility that he can bring where he can

997
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 9: play guard and tackle. But I was surprised that they

998
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 9: went for another offensive lineman. Again, I'm no draft expert.

999
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 9: I don't know who else was available that could have

1000
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 9: been better, but I will say I was surprised that

1001
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 9: they went for another alignment there.

1002
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, at that point, you're trying to just get guys

1003
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 7: traits right, and you're trying to see if we can

1004
00:44:58,239 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 7: turn those traits into players.

1005
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 5: And this is what were you try to avoid because

1006
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 5: if you have these guys picked this high priority undrafted

1007
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 5: free agents and you're in the seventh throne. On your

1008
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 5: final pick, you just go ahead and pull that trigger

1009
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 5: to keep them from possibly negotiating and leave it for

1010
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 5: another team.

1011
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 7: And the ones you think you have the least amount

1012
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 7: of opportunity to be able to sign as under free agents. Right,

1013
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 7: so the ones that you think are going to be

1014
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 7: more highly coveded, you go ahead and pick those, or

1015
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 7: you think for whatever reason they would not want to

1016
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 7: come to your team, whether there's you know, a lot

1017
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 7: of depth and they don't think they'd have a shot

1018
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 7: like those are the kind of picks you just make,

1019
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 7: make them come exactly. And finally talk about Justin Rodgers

1020
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 7: out of Auburn. What are you looking at there?

1021
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 8: He was the last one that you could have taken

1022
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 8: that had that size, that one technique size. There's a

1023
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 8: couple of him and Anderson from a Florida Atlantic were

1024
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 8: the last two guys, So there you go.

1025
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: Size.

1026
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 8: He's you know Patrick was talking about you know, you

1027
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 8: talked about where he played in the in the SEC

1028
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 8: at Auburn, physical player, point of attack transfer from Kentucky.

1029
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 8: You know they've kind of they've kind of looking for

1030
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 8: that type of guy, but he was the very last

1031
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 8: one that you could have drafted that could have probably

1032
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 8: helped you at one technique playing at that size.

1033
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 5: This is one of those rare times where looking at

1034
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 5: his athleticism as it goes to the ras the relative

1035
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 5: athletic score, I was actually excited that it was like

1036
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,479
Speaker 5: one point eight. The reason I was excited is because

1037
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 5: this is simply a guy that's just under six '

1038
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 5: three and he is absolutely massive. I don't care if

1039
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 5: he's athletic. He's going to eat up double teams and

1040
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 5: that's what you need your nose tackle to do. He

1041
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 5: has the hand strength to be able to not only

1042
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 5: eat them up with power through and push the interior

1043
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 5: of the pocket. I think that this is and I

1044
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 5: could see why they didn't want to risk him to

1045
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 5: undraft a free agency. He has a very real opportunity.

1046
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 5: With Carl Davis was resigned, that's wonderful. Shouts out to

1047
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 5: Carl Davis. But if you're talking about a player, especially

1048
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 5: a flyer pick, which is the seventh round, who has

1049
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 5: the ability to possibly come in as early as this

1050
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 5: training camp and push to be you know the guy

1051
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 5: behind Mazzi Smith or and also show Mazzi Smith what

1052
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 5: you know. Remind Mozzi Smith what it means to play

1053
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 5: nose tackle, get your weight back up Mazzi's myth and

1054
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 5: you know, get off the ball quickly and things like that. Obviously,

1055
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 5: there's some some downsides to him, but this is just

1056
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 5: a massive human being who loves to get his hands dirty.

1057
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 5: And there's a reason Will McClay called him big nasty

1058
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 5: and I love that well.

1059
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 10: I was talking about size and.

1060
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 9: Playing there, and he'll take off some size and he's

1061
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 9: also good with stopping the run and he has some

1062
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 9: experience there, which is something that you currently like. So Grant,

1063
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 9: I think it was a great pick, and surprisingly to me,

1064
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 9: after watching some of his plays, I was surprised he

1065
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 9: was still just there sitting waiting for someone to pick him.

1066
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 8: It was a thin that was a thin group that

1067
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 8: one technique and there's a couple of guys that were there.

1068
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 3: Boy I could say he was there was there were

1069
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: several that were.

1070
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 8: Drafted, and then he was really the last one that

1071
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 8: you could have said, Okay, this guy has a chance

1072
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 8: to help a team.

1073
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,879
Speaker 5: One of the only knocks I had against him really

1074
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 5: quickly was that sometimes he can get high in his stance,

1075
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 5: and he just needs to understand and get more consistent

1076
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 5: and standing low in his stance, because if he can

1077
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 5: do that, then his momentum will continue to be devastating

1078
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 5: upon impact. Once he gets a little tall in his stance,

1079
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 5: he it's easier to move him around. So that's one thing.

1080
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 5: But something that I came across and shout out to

1081
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 5: Dan Brugler does magnificent work with funding these little tidbits.

1082
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 5: This kid, this prospect, this young man received a scholarship

1083
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 5: from Kentucky as an eighth grader. So if you want

1084
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 5: to as an eighth grade what as an eighth.

1085
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: Grade that means he had the size back in Yeah,

1086
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: we'll take him.

1087
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 3: Now.

1088
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 10: I've never heard of him.

1089
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 5: Yes, So if you want to know what the ceiling

1090
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 5: is on this big monstrous nose tackle in eighth grade,

1091
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 5: the University of Kentucky gave him a scholar You.

1092
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 2: Can't teach size, you can't. All right, Well, appreciate you, guys.

1093
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 5: Jones.

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Speaker 7: We'll be back next week. We'll talk a little bit

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Speaker 7: more about this running back position. Cowboys pick up Ezekiel Elliott. Elliott,

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Speaker 7: We'll talk about how he fits into this as this

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Speaker 7: backfield and what other things that Cowboys may be expected

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Speaker 7: to do at some point here, either before the season

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Speaker 7: or during the season. We'll talk about that next week.

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Speaker 7: Till then, for Patrick Walker, Brian brought us in Ambergarci.

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Speaker 7: I am Derek Elton. This has been the Break live

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