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Speaker 1: cover the teams. Drilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on, Break it on. Slammed the ground by

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Speaker 1: foota Baker like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 1: I scared and nobody here's Paul Calvc. You know part

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Speaker 1: of me right now before we get started, as almost

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Speaker 1: in mine to ask for some government issued identification based

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Speaker 1: on what we learned from Buddha Baker. I really want

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Speaker 1: to know what your true identity is here and whether

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Speaker 1: I should believe you or whether you need to produce

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Speaker 1: identification Danny Serek allegedly Darren Urban, ostensibly Paul Kelvc. I

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Speaker 1: can confirm sources close to me it is Pauly podcast

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Speaker 1: on this edition of Cardinals Underground. Unlike Buddha Baker who

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Speaker 1: walked into a barn, what was this alias? Danny James?

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Speaker 1: A dentist named James. So they're going with bow Whitlock.

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Speaker 1: There are two kinds of people in this world. There

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Speaker 1: are those who have an alias and those who do not. Darren,

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Speaker 1: which category do you fall into? Well, clearly if I'm

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Speaker 1: going with bow Whitlock, I'm going bow Whitlock. Yeah. Is

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Speaker 1: that like out of the dukes of hazard? What is?

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Speaker 1: It's a I don't want to go too deep into it,

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Speaker 1: but well, this is a real thing. You're not kidding.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I mean, I it's not. It's a it's

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Speaker 1: a it's a character for a long time ago talked

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Speaker 1: about book that I thought about writing. Yes, Wow, okay,

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Speaker 1: interesting there we can go Paul Cordova. Paul Cordova, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go there. The person that that

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Speaker 1: deep into that. That was some false ID wasn't that

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Speaker 1: so Eno Benjamin told us yesterday before we even knew. Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess it was in response to Buddha Baker that yes,

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Speaker 1: last name first, So Eno goes by Ben. Well, he's

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Speaker 1: pretty good. So those people like if he's on the road,

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Speaker 1: if you will. He goes by Ben and those close

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Speaker 1: none of us can really do that. No, if you

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Speaker 1: were to see my idea, wouldn't say Danny serect though,

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Speaker 1: like you said it would in the intro. What would

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Speaker 1: it say, Danielle, Oh wow, just saying that's not but

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Speaker 1: I should have an alias. Well, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: We've moved on from that. Well, you know what, we're

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Speaker 1: want to go with Emily Ruggburn from Almost Famous would

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Speaker 1: four eleven Lackluster playoff law, the two word question to

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Speaker 1: you get comfortable, that should not that should not filter

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Speaker 1: the playoffs and I'm not here just to make the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: That this or this group in this locker room is

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Speaker 1: seems too comfortable making the playoffs. That's not the end

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Speaker 1: And obviously the Cardinals, that iteration of the two was missing.

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Speaker 1: by the way, Darren. Just so you know, it's equal

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Speaker 1: exclamation points on Blake Shelton's tweet. Understand, so those were

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Speaker 1: for you. The all was for Danny. But Hard Knocks

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Speaker 1: if there's going to be another late season el, foldo

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Speaker 1: me because Paul, you and I live through all or nothing,

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Speaker 1: So that is what Darren is referring to. I did

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Speaker 1: get I only it's funny. For all the cameras that

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Speaker 1: were around the whole all or nothing season, I only

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Speaker 1: made I think one appearance. Really, Yeah, there was a

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Speaker 1: question I asked David Johnson a question in the Saint

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Speaker 1: Louis Rams locker room, visiting locker room after a win there,

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Speaker 1: and they used that whole question. I forget what it was,

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Speaker 1: but it was a solid question. I look sharp in

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Speaker 1: my suit, but that was all they used for me.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well we'll see. I mean, once again Cliff

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury talking about how Chris Ballard told him it really

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Speaker 1: did provide a shot in the arm the Colts GM. Now,

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Speaker 1: the downside for the Colts was they won six out

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Speaker 1: of seven, but their last win was the third to

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Speaker 1: last game of the year against the Cardinals on Christmas Night,

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Speaker 1: and then they lost their last two. They lost against

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Speaker 1: the Raiders in a tight one and a miserable, hainous

444
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Speaker 1: loss at Jacksonville that was documented for the entire world

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Speaker 1: to see. That was the one episode I did see

446
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: because it was such a train wreck that I tuned

447
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 1: it in almost rubbernecking, like, oh my gosh, I gotta

448
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 1: get a glimpse at the aftermath of that loss and

449
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,399
Speaker 1: knocked him from the playoffs and ultimately cost Carson Wentz

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Speaker 1: his job. And it was bad. I mean, Chris Ballard

451
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Speaker 1: was smoking hot, and the owner, Jim Rsey, was incensed.

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Speaker 1: He wanted answers, and I mean there will be blood.

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Speaker 1: I was surprised somebody didn't get fired on the spot.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, emotions are raw when you have

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Speaker 1: the playoffs in your hand. Oh you need to do

456
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Speaker 1: is be Jacksonville and you lose in really heinous fashion.

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Speaker 1: And so that that's the downside is you know it's

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Speaker 1: all gonna be there to be documented. So all right,

459
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Speaker 1: and to Darren's point, we don't know who's going to

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Speaker 1: actually be on the roster at that point. For example,

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Speaker 1: as we record this, multiple reports say that Cardinals have

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Speaker 1: come to terms with Darryl Williams, the former Kansas City

463
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Speaker 1: Chiefs running back who, by the way, just turned twenty

464
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Speaker 1: seven within the last month, former undrafted guy out of

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Speaker 1: LSU has really had a few key moments for Kansas City,

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Speaker 1: including two years ago when Clyde Edwards Hilaire was injured

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Speaker 1: and he really made a name for himself. And even

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Speaker 1: last year he started seven out of seventeen games and

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Speaker 1: still had more than a thousand yards from scrimmage. The

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Speaker 1: Chiefs had three players with a thousand plus yards from scrimmage,

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Speaker 1: Tyree Killed, Travis Kelsey, and Darryl Williams. Interesting, I believe

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Speaker 1: it was six rushing touchdowns to receiving and zero fumbles.

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Speaker 1: This really isn't a huge surprise, and we've talked about

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Speaker 1: it on the podcast of not feeling that the Cardinals

475
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Speaker 1: were done addressing the running back position because you have

476
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Speaker 1: James Connor, you lost Chase Edmonds in free agency, and

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Speaker 1: who were you going to pair with James Connor. You

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Speaker 1: have to give him a break, especially the way that

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Speaker 1: he plays, and what's the confidence level that you are

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Speaker 1: a one hundred percent sure that can be Eno Benjamin

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Speaker 1: or Jonathan Ward. And so it's not entirely surprising that

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Speaker 1: this is the route they're taking to bring in another

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Speaker 1: running back. And the reports also said that Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: supposedly vouched for Williams as well, I mean, and I've

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Speaker 1: mentioned it before, Like you said that I thought that

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Speaker 1: running back was a place that they they might look.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've all we've talked about Eno Benjamin a

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Speaker 1: bunch of times. I think the fact that they're they

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Speaker 1: are probably going to add Williams and that they drafted

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Speaker 1: Ingram probably says a little bit about where they are

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Speaker 1: with Eno, although it's a position that you got to

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Speaker 1: continue to add to because of potential injuries and because

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Speaker 1: of how I think Steve Kim looks at the running

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Speaker 1: backs position. Now, they gave some money to James Connor,

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Speaker 1: they did, but for the most part, you know, these

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Speaker 1: guys are people you're gonna kind of move on from

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Speaker 1: quickly because you can find somebody else, and you're gonna

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Speaker 1: find it for you know, a certain amount of money.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Darryl Williams visited the team weeks ago, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure one of the reasons it is or has

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Speaker 1: taken this long has to do with Daryl Williams wanting

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Speaker 1: more money and he wasn't gonna get it. And I

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Speaker 1: think I brought up on the podcast already where they did.

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Speaker 1: That's somebody looked at the study from like the last

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Speaker 1: eight ten years. That said, the only difference between running

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Speaker 1: backs based on where they're getting drafted is how much

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Speaker 1: they get paid. There is no difference, real difference in

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Speaker 1: terms of productivity for the most part. Interesting you know

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Speaker 1: what else too, I talked to someone in the know

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Speaker 1: in the personnel department. They said they love his mental makeup,

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Speaker 1: that there's a reason he made it in the NFL

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Speaker 1: as an undrafted rookie that he is. He is absolutely

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Speaker 1: locked in. He is a real competitor, He's intense, and

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Speaker 1: the more dogs add to that locker room the better.

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Speaker 1: I think that has definitely been a part of the

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Speaker 1: process and something they really value. And he has that

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Speaker 1: reputation as being a tenacious football player on game day

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Speaker 1: Daryl Williams. So that's interesting. And we'll find out when

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Speaker 1: we will or will not see him during the offseason.

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Speaker 1: Which brings us to Kyler Murray Darren big deal, not

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Speaker 1: a big deal? What do you make of the fact

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Speaker 1: that Kyler Murray is not in attendance And it's not

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Speaker 1: a surprise according to Cliff Kingsbury, who, by the way,

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Speaker 1: says he doesn't expect him to be in attendance in

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Speaker 1: time for the mandatory mini camp. Well, I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you're worried about money, you don't want to skip a

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Speaker 1: mandatory thing because that's going to cost you money. So

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Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense to me that he would

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Speaker 1: miss that. Look, I tend to lean towards if it

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Speaker 1: was all, if it's just me, I'm more of the

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Speaker 1: Buddha Baker zach ertz jj Watt camp, which is I

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Speaker 1: would want to be here. It's voluntary, though, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's very important. And I think it's also very

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Speaker 1: important to note that Kyler Murray isn't the only guy

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Speaker 1: that hasn't been showing up to voluntary work. There's actually

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Speaker 1: quite a few vetters that aren't showing up to voluntary work.

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Speaker 1: And I understand he's the quarterback, and I understand that

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Speaker 1: makes it a little bit different than some of the

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Speaker 1: other positions, But you know, I think people making the jump.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure a chunk of it is contract related, but

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Speaker 1: I think people making this assumption that if he didn't

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Speaker 1: have a contract situation, it would be different. He didn't.

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Speaker 1: He didn't come to all the OTA's last year. He

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Speaker 1: came to mandatory mini camp and there were OTAs, So

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Speaker 1: I just I think he's going to be one of

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Speaker 1: those guys who prefers to work out at home, probably

547
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Speaker 1: like a number of players that are going to be

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Speaker 1: on this roster containing I mean, Hollywood Brown's not here.

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Speaker 1: He's he has actually been here for a couple of

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Speaker 1: the Phase two things, But I think some guys just

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Speaker 1: would rather not be at some of them or not

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Speaker 1: be at all of them. I don't know, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's something you're gonna have to kind of figure out.

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Speaker 1: Now you can, if he gets a new contract, you

555
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Speaker 1: could do something about that. Now, he may or may

556
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Speaker 1: not want that money, but you could put a chunk

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Speaker 1: without money into participation in the voluntary offseason stuff and

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Speaker 1: make it. You know, you get this amount of money

559
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Speaker 1: if you show up to these things, and that that

560
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: can tend to motivate a guy. But I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he's going to be willing to do that. I

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Speaker 1: wonder too, just coming off two years of COVID and

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Speaker 1: players realizing, you know, maybe I can do more on

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Speaker 1: my own and still be good when I come out

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Speaker 1: from any camp and things like that. I think you're

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Speaker 1: right of If Kyler Murray had a contract already, would

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Speaker 1: that guarantee one hundred percent he would be here at

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Speaker 1: OTA's I'm not sure that number is one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: I said it before Ota started our last podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: not shaking in my boots over this. Would it be

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Speaker 1: great if he were out here for a leadership camaraderie standpoint, absolutely, However,

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Speaker 1: it's it's not a concern in my mind of is

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray putting in the work he needs to. Is he,

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Speaker 1: you know, getting ready, working out back home in Dallas

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Speaker 1: and doing what he needs to do. I think this

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Speaker 1: just might be the way it kind of looks from

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Speaker 1: here on out for you know, some players of not

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Speaker 1: participating voluntary OTAs. I've made this point in the mail

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Speaker 1: bag in a couple other places before, like the NFLPA

580
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Speaker 1: last year. It started with COVID, but they're trying to

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Speaker 1: COVID Regardless of COVID, They're trying to get to a

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Speaker 1: point where they make sure players understand they don't have

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Speaker 1: to be here. It's voluntary. So if you volunteer to

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Speaker 1: be here, great, and if you don't, there should be

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that, and teams need to understand that.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's why you have a lot of

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Speaker 1: veterans not here right now. I mean, if you go

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Speaker 1: back to the twenty and that was a new coach

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen with Cliff or even Steve Wilkes, there was

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Speaker 1: pretty close to one hundred percent participation in the offseason.

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Speaker 1: And I think you see across the league it's it's

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Speaker 1: not the same, and it's not just it's not just

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Speaker 1: about contracts anymore. Guys are just trying to take control

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Speaker 1: of their own offseason. See. I want to go off

595
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Speaker 1: on a rant, I really do, but I fear that

596
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Speaker 1: I'll sound like the get off my long guy, because

597
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: the new NFL is as you described it, Darren, and

598
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: we all have to get used to it. At the

599
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: same time, Kyler Murray is not Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: doesn't show up to Packers OTAs and mad Lafleurs quoted

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Speaker 1: as saying, yeah, I talked to him last night. We

602
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Speaker 1: talked some xes and oh, some of how I'm evolving

603
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Speaker 1: the offense in the playbook, what he can expect, what

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Speaker 1: he might want to take a look at in his

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Speaker 1: own time, And then he added, but Aaron's in good spirits,

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Speaker 1: which is you know, good star. Okay, that's great, all right,

607
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: But he's got four MVPs, and he's got a ring

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's looking for a two hundred million dollars contract,

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Speaker 1: and he's trying to build his place in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: and he's the face of a franchise that lost miserably

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs. And so I tend to air towards

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Speaker 1: you know what, not only should he be here, but

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Speaker 1: I think the team as a realistic expectation of expecting

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Speaker 1: him to be at these OTAs. Now, that's not the reality,

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Speaker 1: I get it, right, But considering his particular circumstance and

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Speaker 1: the fact he has some new receivers to get used to,

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Speaker 1: I don't dismiss that. I don't dismiss the chemistry and

618
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Speaker 1: trying to get that precision in the routes, in the

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Speaker 1: connection and working with the receivers. It's one of the

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Speaker 1: few things that I think is actually beneficial to working

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Speaker 1: on air during an OTA. I guess. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: I don't know if doing that for a handful of

623
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Speaker 1: throws ten more times in the summer changes considering how

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Speaker 1: many times you do it in training camp now. But

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Speaker 1: you know, Benjamin did tell us in that very seat

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Speaker 1: you're sitting in that Kyler has been running his own

627
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Speaker 1: workouts outside Dallas. So how many of those workouts, who

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00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: exactly has been in attendance, we don't know. But everything

629
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Speaker 1: that Patrick Mahomes supposedly has been doing, and Travis Kelsey

630
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: has documented that in Texas, Kyler Murray has been doing

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Speaker 1: a lot of that just in his own home area.

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Speaker 1: And again, I guess, going back to what you originally said,

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Speaker 1: would it be nice? Yeah, and if Cliff Kingsbury said

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Speaker 1: it himself, as a coach, you want to have everybody there,

635
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: but it's that's not how it works. And you say,

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Speaker 1: as a as a player trying to get a contract,

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Speaker 1: how is he hurting himself? I mean, he's not going

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Speaker 1: to not get a contract because he's not here. It's voluntary.

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Speaker 1: It's voluntary more and more than that. A team's not

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Speaker 1: going to say, and I don't care what team it is,

641
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Speaker 1: a team is not going to say, well, if you're

642
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: not going to show up to voluntary OTAs, we're not

643
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: going to pay you. That's not how it works. No,

644
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's compromising his negotiating position or leverage.

645
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: In fact, he's probably enhancing it by withholding services in

646
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: a way in a way, you know, But like I said,

647
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if he would be here anyway. But

648
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: as Drew Stanton said this week on the Red Sea Report,

649
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: you know, long time NFL quarterback, thirteen years in the league.

650
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: He said, it's not ideal. He said, it's his team

651
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: and after that playoff loss, yeah, I'd like him to

652
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: be out here. This is Drew Stanton. He goes, I

653
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: get the reality of this situation, and there's a contract

654
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: hanging to the balance, and this is part of the

655
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: whole gamesmanship in the back and forth and the leverage.

656
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: He said, I get it, and I'm not one to

657
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: be critical at quarterbacks, but in an ideal world, yes,

658
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: he's out here because it's his team. And I think

659
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: that does make a difference. Whether it's a running back

660
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: or a defensive lineman or a wide receiver, it's different

661
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 1: when you're the quarterback. I don't disagree with you there.

662
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: And so so here's the question. If he gets what

663
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: are you saying. I know you're talking about the contract,

664
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: But if he gets his contract, what if he's not

665
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: out here next year for voluntary stuff? So what's the question.

666
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: What do I make of that? I mean it's funny

667
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: that if you're getting the contract, but I really I'm

668
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: not one hundred percent sure the contract has a lot

669
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: to do with the OTA part of it. I mean, honestly,

670
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: whether it's Aaron Rodgers or anyone else in the forty

671
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: million dollars a year category, Yeah, I think you should

672
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: make time to be out there and be leading your team,

673
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: specially think of the new receivers Aaron Rodgers has. You're

674
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: so if you're asking my personal opinion, yes, all of

675
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: the above should be in attendance with all those teams.

676
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: I'm playing devil's advocate. I mean, ultimately I believe in that.

677
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: I agree. I think it is just not necessarily something

678
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: to hold against him that he's not out here for

679
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: voluntary OTAs. And also to remember, just because he's not

680
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 1: posting his workouts by himself, with his teammates whomever, doesn't

681
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: mean it's not happening. I think that's easy to forget

682
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: to in this day and age of oh, if you

683
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: didn't post your workout, did you even work out? Right? Like,

684
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: It's just I'm not trying to necessarily, you know, defend

685
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: every move Kyler Murray makes. I just think, you know,

686
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: to some extent, you can only get so much fair criticism,

687
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: and you know then it's just like, well, you don't

688
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: even necessarily probably know what you're talking about. I had

689
00:35:55,920 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: a good conversation about this with a former player, not Fitzgerald,

690
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 1: m about a form with a former player about Kyler

691
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: in the situation and all this stuff we're talking about,

692
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: And the one thing that we were agreeing on, which

693
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 1: I think is once the contract is coming. I truly

694
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: believe the contract is coming at some point. Agree Okay,

695
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: I don't know anything, but I believe that's coming. What

696
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: about the day before mandatory mini camp there's a big

697
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: press conference, because if they're expecting him to come from

698
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: mandatory mini camp, is that just because it's mandatory and

699
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm here so I don't get fined, or is it

700
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: because they all know it's tracking towards a big announcement

701
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: him signing the line that has dotted right before, right

702
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: on June thirteenth. I'm going to tell you right now,

703
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: if I think it's June twelfth, and if they announce

704
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: the day before mini camp, maybe it is a thirteenth

705
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: that he signed a contract. Our entire department will go

706
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: upstairs and beat the living tar out of Steve Kind

707
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: because that's media day and there is a ton of

708
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: stuff that has to be done that day and seeing

709
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: send Danny up there squeezing in a press conference would

710
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: not be ideal. But anyways, Danny can bust in with

711
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: a Batman line. I'm vengeance one. I just wanted to

712
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: say that. Sorry, I just want um if your face

713
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: right now, I'm trying to think if I think Dark

714
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: Knight's the only Batman I've ever seen, that's the new

715
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: Batman the ban do you have three and a half hours?

716
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: Three you have to set aside three and a half hours,

717
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: but it's worth it's true. Um. I do think if

718
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: he gets paid then and this is what I was

719
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: talking to the player about, like everything, everything has kind

720
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: of been on his shoulders anyways, it really it really

721
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: goes on his shoulders. And once you get that payment,

722
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: then people are going to be looking about are you

723
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: showing up the voluntary stuff? Are you doing this? You mean,

724
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: this scrutiny really ratchets off. I think there's an expectation

725
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: when you're getting paid that that you not only have

726
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: to do all these things, but you're obligated to do

727
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: them because you're getting paid that now. The voluntary stuff

728
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: will remain voluntary, whether he's getting paid five million dollars

729
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: salary or forty billion dollars salary, just like it is

730
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: for every other player. But I do think the viewpoint,

731
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: the perspective is going to continue to change, and that

732
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: also is impacted by what they do on the field.

733
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: I mean, if if they win thirteen games this year

734
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: and win a playoff game or two, and then he

735
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: doesn't show up to OTA's next year, I don't think

736
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: anybody's gonna say boo. But well, you're right. I mean,

737
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: with that contract, let's just say, much more intense pressure

738
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: and evaluation from the Monday morning quarterbacks, who are going

739
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: to start every sentence with, well, you make forty million

740
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: a year dot dot dot fill in the blank. Why

741
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: can't you do this? Why can't you do that? There's

742
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 1: always criticisms either way whatever happens. But I'm with Darren.

743
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: I do expect a contract to be coming and probably

744
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: within the next month. What do you think you're gonna

745
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: take the over of the under on that, Danny Serek?

746
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: A month would be June twenty fourth, mid June, before

747
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: or after, because you realize once again. Tom Pellacero, NFL

748
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: Network is reporting that Kyler's not showing up until he

749
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: gets a new contract. Michael Irvin, NFL Network Studios less

750
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: than two weeks ago, in a second about the schedule

751
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: and talking about the Cardinals tough schedule. Out of nowhere,

752
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: it throws in, Oh yeah, I was sitting next to

753
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: Kyler or to MAV's playoff game and he told me

754
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: he ain't playing without a new deal. If those are true,

755
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: and the fact that Kingsbury said he expects Kyler Murray

756
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: to be here for Mini Camp, then I'm gonna say

757
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: the under I think it'll happen, hopefully not the day

758
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: before on media day, but maybe the week before Mini Camp.

759
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of wiggle room there though, Guys.

760
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you could he could come to

761
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: Mini camp and just not He could just stand and watch,

762
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,399
Speaker 1: not really participate, and not participate and protect himself. I don't.

763
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: I don't think it to lock that. And I don't

764
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: when I hear I'm not going to play, I think

765
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: I think maybe not playing games maybe. I mean, again,

766
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: here's the issue that he has because of again, and

767
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: this is all with the thought process for me that

768
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: a deal is going to get done at some point.

769
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: I think that he can only hold out so long

770
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: in training camp without it harming his pocketbook and or

771
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: put a year of accrued on his year. I mean,

772
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: you could hurt yourself if you sit out a season,

773
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't think that would come to it,

774
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: because I think once you get to that point, you're

775
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: also talking about irreparable damage to the relationship. But I

776
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: don't know. I do think it's got to get done

777
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: sometime between. Either gets done between now and the end

778
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: of minicamp, or it gets done like right at the

779
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: beginning of training camp, which is still possible. I don't

780
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: think it's the out of the realm of possibility that

781
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: shows up to mandatory mini camp, doesn't do a whole lot,

782
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: but understands they're progressing, and he lets them know, hey,

783
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to do anything without a contract, and

784
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: then it gets done. I don't know report day of

785
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: training camp. I mean training camp is they're barely going

786
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: to do anything for the first five days because they're

787
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: not allowed to basically, so there's there's some room there

788
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: if you start closing in on a deal. Yeah, there's

789
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: truth in that, no doubt about it. And of course

790
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: you know there was Cliff Kingsbury using it sort of

791
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: a deadpan one liner. When someone asked him a specific

792
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: about not having Kyler and Hollywood Brown work together in

793
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: front of him on the Cardinals fields, he said, well,

794
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: I'm familiar enough with that on the receiving end of

795
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. I've already seen that front and center, so okay,

796
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: And you know, if Kyler and Hollywood are working together

797
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 1: outside the Dallas area are maybe everyone will be pleasantly

798
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: surprised when training camp starts and there's a lot more

799
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: chemistry than you ever knew, because no one quite has

800
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: a grasp exactly how much is being accomplished in Texas.

801
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: We'll see. I do know that I saw this, and

802
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: this is something that they might want to print out

803
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 1: and put on the walls in that locker room right now.

804
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: Didn't anybody happen to catch the power rankings from Peter

805
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: King's Football Morning in America. It's my favorite topic, Danny

806
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: power rankings. Darren me guess where the Cardinals are. Mandatory

807
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: power rankings. We'll call this just for Darren. We had

808
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: the ESPN ranking that actually had the Cardinals ninth. That

809
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: was a week or so ago. This is different rank

810
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 1: of power ranking though that was that was actually FPI,

811
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 1: which was based on like if you play teams on

812
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: a neutral field, where would you rank? And the Cardinals

813
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: ranked the ninth. But that wasn't a power rank, that

814
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: wasn't subjective. That was actually based on some kind of statists,

815
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: some sort of analytics. Okay, so you're saying this is

816
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: offensive if you would want it up in the locker

817
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: room as motivation. Oh yes, yes, indeed, I'm gonna say.

818
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: I'll give you the top three Buffalo one Chargers two

819
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: KC three Rams for green Bay five Paul forgot how

820
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: to count niners or tenth, Cleveland is eighteen. Let me guess,

821
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: let me guess, Cardinals are twenty seventh. Wow, okay, you

822
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 1: know what. Let's burn out Danny's power rankings in the

823
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: locker room right now. Danny has officially become motivation, as

824
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: she's become the hater that the team will feed off of.

825
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: Oh that doesn't darently do. I would never expected something

826
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: that from you. Nineteen guests. Here, here, here's where, here's

827
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: where twenty second is where the Cardinals are spitted out

828
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: Calbas either twenty second. Okay, I really wasn't that far off. No,

829
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: here's the outrage, and unbeknownst to you, here's where you

830
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: really should be insulted. If you're the Arizona Cardinals. You

831
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: know who's ranked number twenty. The Lions. Detroit is ranked

832
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: two spots ahead of the Cardinals in this power rankings

833
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: as of May twenty twenty two. I mean the older

834
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: audacity of it, all right, I mean them them's fighting

835
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: words right there. When you have the Lions at twenty

836
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,720
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals at twenty two, and a power rankings,

837
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: who does it have below the Cardinals? The Steelers are

838
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: at twenty three, the Giants are at twenty four, and

839
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: the Seahawks I'm sorry the last play Seahawks are twenty

840
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: fifth in this power rankings. Just to let you know so.

841
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: But Cleveland is at eighteen, The Lions are at twenty,

842
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: stals are at twenty two. I'm just curious. Why are

843
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: you surprised Cleveland's at eighteen. I just see just so much.

844
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: I guess there's just so much dysfunction there and just

845
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: the offseason they've had. I but you're right in terms

846
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: of talent, I want to see what Watson, what happens

847
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: with Watson? But I mean, yeah, they have a real

848
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: they have a pretty nice roster, and you know what

849
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: will play this time. A year ago. Do you know

850
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: how many NFL analysts went on the record saying the

851
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 1: most talented roster one through fifty three was the Cleveland Browns.

852
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 1: This is true. Now they did less with more than

853
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: perhaps any team in the NFL a year ago and

854
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: missed the playoffs. Or everybody's darling this year, and I

855
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: don't know about that. I mean, they're respectable. I shouldn't

856
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: say everybody's darling. And I guess we're still only talking

857
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: about nineteen or right, twenty twenty versus the Cardinals at

858
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: twenty two. By the way, two more edge rushers off

859
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: the market in Melvin Ingram. I think we had that

860
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: last Cardinals underground presented by Pacific Office Automation. Now, speaking

861
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: of the Browns, Jeddavian Clowney turns down more money, much

862
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: more money, allegedly, and more years elsewhere rightly according to Clowney,

863
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: and he signs with the Browns for one year, eleven million.

864
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: I'm always very wary when it's coming from the players

865
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: or right from the agent, but we have no names

866
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: and we have no all. Yeah, yeah, he gave he

867
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 1: there's like seventeen teams that wanted to pay him five

868
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: years eighty thousand million dollars and but he wanted to

869
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: come back for one year eleven million dollars because he

870
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: loves the Browns so much million dollars. Well, you know

871
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: he's he's buddies with Miles Garrett. So you know that's

872
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: that's all the reason right there. So who does that

873
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 1: possibly leave on the market right now for the Arizona

874
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: Cardinals when it comes to a time time sign at

875
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: edge Rusher and the only logical conclusion I can come

876
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: up with other than Justin Houston, whose names being thrown

877
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: about all over in connection with the Cardinals, which I'm

878
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: not really buying norm are much into. How about Carlos Dunlap,

879
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: though Carlos Dunlap had a heck of a game in

880
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: Week eighteen when the last place Seahawks pulled out a

881
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 1: win against the Cardinals. Do you sign a guy and

882
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: Carlos Dunlap do you think I will say this? You

883
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: know what makes me feel better about the position is

884
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 1: we had Dennis Gardeck in ninety eight seven FM on Monday,

885
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: when I was filling in for Wolf and Guardeck, I

886
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: asked him about the knee. Obviously, you know the proverbilium

887
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: meeting guy James Thomson about the knee come, he said,

888
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 1: you know what, I thought it was good last year,

889
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: he said, But when I got done with the season,

890
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 1: I took my time off of been in the gym.

891
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: I got out on the field for these OTAs. Oh

892
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: my goodness, is there a difference? He said. What I

893
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: thought was normal a year ago was not normal. Now

894
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: I feel normal, is what Dennis Gardex said. That's actually

895
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 1: pretty good. So it's really, yes, really encouraging. I I'm beginning.

896
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: I've thought this for a while, especially when they spent

897
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: two third round picks on the position I don't. I

898
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: can see them signing a veteran or two here, and

899
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: I said it was running back. I could still see

900
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: a cornerback Robert Alfred maybe, although I'm beginning to wonder

901
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: that because they did give away twenty three that his

902
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: jersey number. Usually, oh I didn't see that. Well. Usually

903
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: if you give away a guy's number, it means that

904
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: they're not going to stick with him, right, I have

905
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: a rookie minicamp roster. That's all I have. So who

906
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: got who got twenty three? Jeff Gladney telling, yes, that

907
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 1: is I think it could be a corner. Let me

908
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: cross Alfred off the list right here, here we go, Okay, Paul.

909
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what Paul would do about as it's

910
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: like you two with the bickering, it's just it's gotta

911
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: have it. A lot of people have been, I guess,

912
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: praising the fact that, like we go back and forth,

913
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's not maybe this bickering. I

914
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: feel like we don't argue. What was the deal? I

915
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 1: looked in this studio grounded the two of you were

916
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: huddled around a cell phone or something doing some sort

917
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: of zoom and you guys were in a studio. What

918
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: was that all about? Darren and I went international, that's true.

919
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 1: We're on a German bird Gang podcast. We were very gracious.

920
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: They asked us to be guests on their podcast, and

921
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: with the time change, they did it late for them,

922
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: early in the morning for us, and they were really great.

923
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 1: They were very knowledgeable and the questions they asked we

924
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun at Danny didn't learn any German.

925
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: But did you learn any German? Okay, so Darren didn't

926
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: learn any German? It was it was It was fun

927
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 1: and I'm glad we did it. And I do appreciate

928
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: all the international fans that we have because there are

929
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 1: a number of them that actually listen to this podcast.

930
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: Believe it or not. Does the German Bird Gang have

931
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: a particular favorite player? Is there like a is there

932
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: a fan club? It sounds like Bernard's psychovis mandatory psycho? Nice? Okay?

933
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: What about so the game in Germany this year is

934
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: Seattle and Tampa? Correct? And man, how about that for knowledge? Huh?

935
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: Paul Pencilnack pulled that one out. But the reason I

936
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: know that is because, Man, I'd love to go to Frankfurt.

937
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: I'd love to go. I would love to give any

938
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: getting intel from the German bird Gang as to whether

939
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: they have some movers and shakers and somebody embedded with

940
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 1: the decision makers and can they influence the schedule maker?

941
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,440
Speaker 1: And Roge, Hey, Roge, can you knock knock gin m

942
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: make it happen? Hint, hint, get the Cardinals out in

943
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: Frankfort twenty twenty three. Well, I wouldn't, first of all

944
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: they're asking us, if we think that that could happen.

945
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: I see, well, I mean I guarantees it's not gonna happen.

946
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: I do think we're gonna get to a point where

947
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of international games, and I

948
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: think most teams are gonna ultimately this is my opinion

949
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: right now. Okay, most teams are going to ultimately end

950
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: up playing an international game every year, whether the home

951
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: or the visitor, whatever you want to call it. If

952
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: they want to take another preseason game off the schedule,

953
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: all be it. They have my blessings, two preseason games,

954
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: throwing another by, and then the international game for everyone. No,

955
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: that's where this game season. Sure, yes, because you're you're

956
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: always gonna have twenty. You're not taking away a preseason game, absolutely,

957
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 1: But that's where it's trending eventually. But you are preseason eighteen,

958
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: regular season and a mandatory international game. Well, why can't

959
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: you do the mandatory international already? You've got seventeen games,

960
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: and then that way you never have to worry about

961
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: one team having more home games than the other. I'm

962
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 1: just saying, you get that extra, you make it palatable

963
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: to you just want to get rid of the preseason game.

964
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: Well anything, you know, I am thankful. I really am

965
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: thankful that it's gone from four to three preseason games.

966
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: So no one's more thankful for that time. I thought,

967
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: you love doing play by playing, well, I do, but

968
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: that fourth preseason game where once again you love the props.

969
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: So here's what I would do. I'd have my spotting

970
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: board and there'd be a hundred guys on the spotting

971
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: board for preseason game, and then you go through and

972
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: you just cross off the first seventy and he just

973
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: crossed them right off your spotting board, and you're calling

974
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: four quarters of four string football. As much as I

975
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: love going Pauli Pash and calling the play by play,

976
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: it's just it is a brutal watch. It is beneath

977
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: the caliber of the NFL. Of those players are living

978
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: what is left of their dream that night, and you

979
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: just crap all over him. It's very inconsiderate and really

980
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: actually it's kind of hypocritical because I was praising Dennis

981
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: Gardeck for being that guy four years ago when it

982
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: was him and Zeke Turner and Trent Sherfield, who are

983
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: all undrafted guys who came out of Cardinals camp and

984
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: made the final fifty three. And it was interesting to

985
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: hear Gardeck tell the story that he had a miserable

986
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: preseason game number four in his opinion, and he was

987
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: really nervous. He was really nervous, said he wasn't gonna

988
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: any that he had seen stuff online where people a

989
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: lot of people were speculating, oh, he's going to be

990
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: one of the last cuts. His preseason game number four

991
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: stunk out loud because remember they played him a linebacker

992
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: inside linebacker. He did not farewell, and he said he

993
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: didn't he didn't believe even the way after he supposed

994
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: he made the final cuts until they got to the

995
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: Wednesday of game week. He said, by the time I

996
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: got to Wednesday a game week, he said, well, I'm

997
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: in too many of these packages on special teams. If

998
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,840
Speaker 1: I was to get cut right now, they couldn't really

999
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: feasibly replace me. And that's fair because it is hard

1000
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 1: because you can make quote unquote make that roster and

1001
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: then get cut a couple days later when Waivers happened.

1002
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: A quick story of Dennis Cardeck when he made the team.

1003
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: I got to know him a little bit when he

1004
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: was a rookie because I had done a story in

1005
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: training camp. Definitely show that and on cut day and

1006
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: now I'm going to get in trouble for final cuts,

1007
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: I get a little bit of advanced notice of who's

1008
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: on those teams so I can have an article ready, right,

1009
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: And it was I don't know. He had reached out

1010
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: to me about something my DM on Twitter and we

1011
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: were like an hour away from the official announcement. Actually,

1012
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: technically the official announcement I believe is already made, but

1013
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: the Cardinals have made it an art of waiting until

1014
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: like three hours after the They have to have it

1015
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 1: into the league before they want to tell the rest

1016
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: of the world for to make sure they use all

1017
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: of Darren's Saturday. That's true, Yes, And uh so I

1018
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: DMed him back and I said, by the way, congratulations

1019
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: on making the team. Any DM me back and he goes,

1020
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: he goes, I appreciate that, but I I don't know

1021
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: if I'm going. I don't know if I have or not.

1022
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, don't he don't worry, You're on it.

1023
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. And I'm like, I'm

1024
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 1: gonna let him stew in his juices. I guess because

1025
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: he just wasn't going to believe anything. He wasn't believing

1026
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: that a media member actually had that sort of knowledge

1027
00:53:54,880 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: at their fier embedded media member. And that's right, that's so.

1028
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 1: But that's why, you know, it's just like Wolf always says,

1029
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons Dennis Gardex had such a

1030
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: good career is because he probably is always thinking he

1031
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: could cut in any second, and that tends to motivate well.

1032
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: And you know, he further endeared himself to Wolf when

1033
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: he said he darnwell hopes he does not come off

1034
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: any of the teams. He wants to be on all

1035
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: four special teams units, no matter what else he does

1036
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: for this team if he's an edge rusher. And you know,

1037
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 1: because I said, look, seven sacks and ninety three defensive snaps,

1038
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: plus you had seven tackles for loss, you had ten

1039
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: quarterback hits. I mean, you were a Tasmanian devil for

1040
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: those snaps. You were on defense in twenty fifteen until

1041
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: he went down in Week fifteen against Philadelphia with a

1042
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: knee injury, which is another reason probably why he wasn't

1043
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: one hundred percent because he went down so late this

1044
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: season before yea. But he I asked him, is it

1045
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: realistic to think you can come anywhere close to that

1046
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: sort of production? And he said, of course it's realistic.

1047
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: Now he's really looking me in the eye. Of course

1048
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: it's realistic. I've already done it. And so okay. Now,

1049
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 1: so to your point, Darren, do they get a look

1050
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 1: at these guys in the first week of training camp

1051
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: and then they bring in a John Abraham, a Dwight Freeney. God,

1052
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 1: hope they don't bring in John Abraham. I'm pretty sure

1053
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: he's done work with me here, the guy who who

1054
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,280
Speaker 1: has ten twelve years in the league and honestly wouldn't

1055
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: mind missing the first two weeks of training camp. And

1056
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: maybe is you know, positioning himself as such, I'm not

1057
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: gonna come in and put on a helmet until I

1058
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: absolutely have to. And so maybe that is the approach

1059
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 1: at Edge Rusher, because you can't tell me you don't

1060
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: look at this roster and still still wonder out loud. Okay,

1061
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 1: who exactly is the answer? Opposite? Marcus Golden. I'm not

1062
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: disagreeing with you, but I do think at some point

1063
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: you have to see what you've got. The Cardinals have

1064
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: made I think the moves that they could have made

1065
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: up until this point. You have to see what you

1066
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,839
Speaker 1: have in Cameron Thomas and my j Sanders and the

1067
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: moves you've made around them. On defense, I think you

1068
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: have to still evaluate what you've already done to figure

1069
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: out what you truly still need. I'm not saying that

1070
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: a move isn't coming later in the offseason or maybe

1071
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 1: during training camp, whatever else is going on with other

1072
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: teams or anything like that, but I think at some

1073
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: point you have to evaluate what you have and what

1074
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 1: is the ceiling for the players you've drafted before you

1075
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: start making any further moves. At this point, I would

1076
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: tend to agree. I mean, it's funny, and I'm not

1077
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: saying they're all the same people, but every year you're

1078
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 1: what is the Cardinal in this case? Let's just take

1079
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,959
Speaker 1: this case. What are the Cardinals going to do about

1080
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: the pass rush? What are they going to do the

1081
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: pass rushing? And the same breath, I hear people say,

1082
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 1: why doesn't this team ever play any rookies? How are

1083
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 1: they supposed to get any better if they don't play

1084
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: any rookies? You know, these draft picks are terrible. You

1085
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: don't play them. I mean, at some point something's got

1086
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,879
Speaker 1: to give. Well, I mean something didn't have to give

1087
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: with the Combine. There's my segue to the fact that

1088
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: it's stayed in Indianapolis for the next two years. So

1089
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: I know that's music to your ears, right Darren. In fact,

1090
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: you were the guy saying good luck. If you're gonna

1091
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: move it, good luck. You weren't all that opt mystic

1092
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 1: that it really was going to be feasible and workable

1093
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,160
Speaker 1: somewhere else, right, And I believe that most football people

1094
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: don't believe that. I mean, the people that want to

1095
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: move it are probably a lot of the owners and

1096
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,400
Speaker 1: the TV people because they're trying to get into a

1097
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: more glitzy, glamorous place than Indianapolis. But for what they're

1098
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: trying to get out of the Combine, it makes no

1099
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: sense to me to have it any place else but

1100
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: indian So to have it be then the next two

1101
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: years makes a lot of sense. We had a fun

1102
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: time when we were out there. We did what did

1103
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: the German Bird Gang want to know? By the way,

1104
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: did they hit you? Did they hit you with any questions,

1105
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: any hard hitting questions anything? What were they most curious

1106
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: about the German bird gang or otherwise. It was mostly football,

1107
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: but at the end we got to talk about our

1108
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 1: driving skills. That was a fun question at the end,

1109
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: whether the two you would be capable of handling the

1110
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: autobahn if I think it was just like what kind

1111
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: of driver are we? Like? What are your what are

1112
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: your pet peeves? How does that come up? Oh? It doesn't?

1113
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: They just they admitted it was kind of this random,

1114
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: off the wall question to ask. So I learned, man,

1115
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: can I answer that question? I got an answer to

1116
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: that question for it. Tesla guy, Tesla guy with ludicrous

1117
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: speed acceleration. If you really pay attention these days, there

1118
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: are two things you'll notice. People are ridiculously on their

1119
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 1: phones way too much distract or driving if you look around.

1120
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: And then number two, the guy inevitably doing twenty plus

1121
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: miles over the speed limit, who's racing in between cars

1122
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: and accelerating at a ridiculous rate, is almost always these

1123
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: days driving a Tesla because they have this insane ev

1124
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: acceleration at their disposal and they can't resist it. That's

1125
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 1: my pet peeve. Thank you for asking my pet peeve

1126
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: was driving significantly under the speed limit in front of

1127
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: me or like breaking very suddenly and not using your blinker,

1128
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: or like, you know, something stupid, like you're changing lanes

1129
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: in the middle of theater section. You know, just don't

1130
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: be dumb. But but my thing was like if you

1131
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: were going significantly under the speed limit in front of me,

1132
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm not about that. You should tell your story. No, no,

1133
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: I don't need to tell my story. That was as

1134
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: the German Bird Game podcast to hear the story of

1135
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: Darren's pet peeve of I did tell not a great

1136
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say road rage, but road road, not happy

1137
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 1: story that poor old man that it was not an

1138
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: old man. Oh no, come on, Darren. You're up in

1139
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 1: sun City and you ran some guy in a golf

1140
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: card off the road. What's going on? It might have

1141
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 1: been a situation where I honked at a guy because

1142
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: he wasn't taking the left and it was about to change,

1143
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: so he decided to pull into the intersection and then

1144
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: stop until it was solid red and another beat, and

1145
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: then left took a left, thinking I was going to

1146
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: get stuck in the intersection, so Darren followed him. I

1147
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: might have followed him a little while. I don't think

1148
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: his wife is all that happen be with me or

1149
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: with him. And I don't think my son was all

1150
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: that happy with me. But that's that was a while ago.

1151
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: To be careful with that, Darren, you gotta be careful

1152
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: with that. I've got I've got some stories. I'm definitely

1153
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 1: not telling on the air, but I might tell you

1154
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: off there. Okay, all right, there you go. Uh let's

1155
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: just say no to solve him and write this down.

1156
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm not hiring bo Whitlock to teach my fifteen year

1157
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: old who was on a learner's permit. Right now, Man,

1158
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: you're old. You got a fifteen year old. Appreciate it,

1159
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: says the guy with a twenty two and twenty year old.

1160
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: Did you hire a driving school, by the way, for

1161
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: your kids now now that they're grown adults. Uh no,

1162
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 1: But back when they were teenagers, did you get a

1163
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: driving school? You did? Well? You have to because I

1164
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: have to. When I was growing up, there was actually

1165
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: driver's ed and you could do that through the school,

1166
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: and you can't do that anymore. It's right. Did you

1167
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: have Driver's Ed, Danny in high school? I did. It

1168
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: was not through my high school. It was like I

1169
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: went I went to a class like a class like

1170
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: I didn't. My parents didn't teach me like you know

1171
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: they at least in Texas, you can be like if

1172
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: you don't go to an organized driving school, you logged

1173
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: the hours and your parents go through a book and

1174
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: they can do all that. So of course nobody learns

1175
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: that way. So I actually did an actual driving school. Yeah,

1176
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 1: that's and that's what my kids did. But my old

1177
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: ass when we had Driver's Edge, so you would there

1178
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: was actually a semester class you went at school, took

1179
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: you a full semester to learn how to drive. No, no,

1180
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: this was the class, and then you had you were

1181
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,840
Speaker 1: supposed to take six hours and then it came with it.

1182
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: And my my this was I was a junior in

1183
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: high school. My freshman algebra teacher was also my driving instructor.

1184
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: You were supposed to get two I think it was

1185
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: two three hour trips out on two different saturdays where

1186
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: you went out and got the thing and then we

1187
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: and he just did two hours instead of three hours

1188
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: each time, and then said it was six hours, and

1189
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: then I was certified. You know, I was actually thinking

1190
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:58,919
Speaker 1: about the greatest driver ever. Okay, I was thinking about

1191
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: drivers at this past weekend because I was downtown, I

1192
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: had a parallel park. I mean, thank goodness I had

1193
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: a camera because I don't know that I could have

1194
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: done it because I don't do it often. But I

1195
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: was very proud of myself. I've gotten the spot first try. Well,

1196
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: it took me a couple of times. I think the

1197
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: fact that kids today don't have the excitement of driver's

1198
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: d and driving in those stupid old like did you

1199
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: ever you have drivers or they had to like the

1200
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: fake cars that you drove in and you they showed

1201
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: the film. Oh no, I didn't have that drivers simulator.

1202
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: The driving instructor had their own break as well, so

1203
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: if you were breaking in time, they were slamming on

1204
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: that one time I was in the car. So whenever

1205
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 1: you did your drivers like, you had to pass like

1206
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: eight tests right like each one. And I remember being

1207
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: the car with someone and they had that. Really, if

1208
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: you're fifteen sixteen years old, the scenario where the light's

1209
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 1: changing yellow and you've a snap decision to make up

1210
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: do I go or do I slam on my brakes

1211
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 1: and this person decided to go technically ran the red

1212
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: light barely, but automatically failed the test because of it yeah,

1213
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure my kids did the driving instructor thing, but

1214
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: I also took them out many times. My wife wouldn't

1215
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: I did. I'm sure in hindsight, I could have handled

1216
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: it a little bit better. And I'm sure both my

1217
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 1: sons would probably say wasn't their most favorite thing in

1218
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: the world Having me in the passengers always did. I

1219
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: only had one scenario where I almost wrecked the car. Okay,

1220
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: last story, I promised, last story. Here we go. My

1221
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: son will kill me. My oldest son. The very first

1222
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: time I took him out. We went to the Coronodel

1223
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: Soul parking lot and I said, okay, get behind the wheel.

1224
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: And it's a parking lot with speed bumps anywhere. It's

1225
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: a beautiful March afternoon. We rolled down the windows. I'm

1226
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: kind of looking at my phone. I'm like, literally, just

1227
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 1: ghos straight. I don't want you going. You don't have

1228
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: to go that fast. Just kind of get used to everything.

1229
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: He's literally going ten miles an hour. I'm ten miles

1230
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,959
Speaker 1: an hour, and I'm looking at my phone. And again

1231
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: the windows are down, and somehow he moves too far

1232
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:09,920
Speaker 1: this way scrapes my front passenger tire on a curb

1233
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: and the next thing I know, with the windows down,

1234
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:18,479
Speaker 1: I hear somehow at ten miles an hour, he got

1235
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: this huge gash in my tire and just ruined it

1236
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: on the spot. It was not Dan the greatest day

1237
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 1: of my life. I alas drove my dawnay into a

1238
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: tennis court white yikes. Yeah, we are parked at my

1239
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: high school and like the middle schools right next to it,

1240
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: And so we were in the little parking lot by

1241
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: the track and to the side of the tennis courts,

1242
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: and the parking spaces were very close to the edge

1243
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: of the tennis courts. And I remember, I guess not

1244
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: well enough, but I thought I put the car in reverse,

1245
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: and I put it in drive, So I hopped the

1246
01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: curb and thankfully stopped before hitting the tennis courts. Um,

1247
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: but I'm sure my dad had me take a little

1248
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: break from driving. Yes, after that, I remember a brain

1249
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 1: I took my son out another time on the real roads.

1250
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 1: And we were on the road right around Ray and

1251
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: and Warner and and uh McClintock and and uh and Rural.

1252
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: And after we did that one loop, we were in

1253
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: the car for five minutes. I'm like, I can't. I

1254
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta have a month off. I can't do

1255
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 1: this anymore. Well two two thoughts. I'm where you used

1256
01:05:34,040 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: to be and that you know, the teenager says they're

1257
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 1: ready when I say no, your old man is not ready? Yes?

1258
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: And then number two, I think Darren's previous story is

1259
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: the first documented instance of an accident being caused by

1260
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: the passenger who was distracted on his phone, not the driver.

1261
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: Did all the fact that you were on your phone

1262
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:56,520
Speaker 1: admittedly rolled back the tape. Darren was on his phone

1263
01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 1: when he's supposed to be the supervising agent, you know,

1264
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be the instructor, and instead up to

1265
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 1: be the dad who wasn't micromanaging. Hey, look where that

1266
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 1: got you. That's right, I need a micromanage more, don't I, Danny.

1267
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 1: That's a good that's a good advice. Not to self.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to outsource it, all right, Somebody give me

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Speaker 1: a number to the driving school. That's got to happen.

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Speaker 1: It's got to happen around here. So okay, there we go.

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Speaker 1: More road rage stories on the next episode of Cardinal's Underground,

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