WEBVTT - The Spotify Story

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<v Speaker 1>Get in touch with technology with tech Stuff from how

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<v Speaker 1>stuff Works dot com. Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I am your host, Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer

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<v Speaker 1>with How Stuff Works and I heart radio and I

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<v Speaker 1>love all things tech, and today I'm going to cover

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<v Speaker 1>the story of Spotify, really the origin of Spotify, and

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<v Speaker 1>then a bit about what it's been up to recently.

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<v Speaker 1>And just for the interests of full disclosure, I feel

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<v Speaker 1>I should point out that the company I work for,

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<v Speaker 1>I Heart Media, is a competitor to Spotify. But don't worry.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to cover this topic just like I would

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<v Speaker 1>any other, as objective as possible, and maybe with some

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<v Speaker 1>bad jokes and puns. And I think this will also

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<v Speaker 1>help lead into a discussion about the way consumer media

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<v Speaker 1>has changed significantly over the last couple of decades. That

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<v Speaker 1>might actually be a second episode that I'll focus on

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit later. The story of Spotify is tied

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<v Speaker 1>very close with its founders, uh mainly Daniel Eck but

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<v Speaker 1>also Martin Lawrenson. Those are two Swedish businessmen who set

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<v Speaker 1>out to change how people access music, and while the

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<v Speaker 1>service would launch in two thousand eight, the real story

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<v Speaker 1>begins much earlier with Daniel Eck and initially in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand two, but we're going to go even earlier than that. See,

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel K was an enterprising kid, like super enterprising, and

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<v Speaker 1>an interview and the event that was called a Pando

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<v Speaker 1>Monthly in New York City back in two thousand twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>he talked about how as a young teen and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about thirteen years old, fourteen years old, he started

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<v Speaker 1>making money by creating websites for local businesses in Sweden.

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<v Speaker 1>He was interested in coding and he was getting into

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<v Speaker 1>it and he started getting hired to make websites for

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<v Speaker 1>for companies. And we're not talking about small amount of money.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean his first job was about a hundred dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he went up to about two hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>and it started going up from there. And according to K,

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<v Speaker 1>at one point he was pulling down about fifty grand

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<v Speaker 1>a month doing business. So imagine that being in high

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<v Speaker 1>school and your side gig is pulling you down fifty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars a month. Yikes. That was going pretty well

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<v Speaker 1>until the Swedish tax Authority notified X that he owed

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<v Speaker 1>the government a substantial amount of money to the tune

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<v Speaker 1>of a couple hundred grand. X early fortune was pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much wiped out, and he learned a valuable lesson about

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<v Speaker 1>running a business, which is that you can't do it

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<v Speaker 1>on the q T forever. Around two thousand two, X

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<v Speaker 1>started thinking about the problem with digital music and piracy,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was definitely a big problem. Services like Napster,

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<v Speaker 1>new Tela, and kaza had been home to huge databases

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<v Speaker 1>of pirated music since the late nineteen nineties, or had

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<v Speaker 1>facilitated music piracy since the ninet Since not all of

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<v Speaker 1>them were really databases, they were more like peer to

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<v Speaker 1>peer networks. More on that in a little bit. So

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<v Speaker 1>governments around the world were responding by creating some pretty

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<v Speaker 1>draconian laws in an effort to curb online piracy. The

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<v Speaker 1>governments were largely responding to big media companies that were

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<v Speaker 1>putting a lot of pressure on elected officials to fix

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<v Speaker 1>this problem. Everyone could see that the Internet was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be an important component in all sorts of industries.

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<v Speaker 1>Apple had already staked its own claim with iTunes in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand one, but there was a real concern that

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<v Speaker 1>piracy essentially translated into lost sales. Now to that point,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to acknowledge that it's not as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 1>If I walk into an old fashioned record store and

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<v Speaker 1>I shoplift an album, we're talking like old vinyl albums,

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<v Speaker 1>and I grab a copy of uh, Phil Collins Greatest

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<v Speaker 1>Hits because I'm real bad, and I slip it under

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<v Speaker 1>my my jacket and I and I step out the door.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a clear loss for the shop owner of that

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<v Speaker 1>music shop, right, because I've taken one physical album. The

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<v Speaker 1>shop owner has a limited number of physical copies that

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<v Speaker 1>they have ordered from the record label, so they've spent

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<v Speaker 1>a certain amount of money to get a certain number

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<v Speaker 1>of copies of each title. I just took one of those.

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<v Speaker 1>They can no longer sell that particular album, so they

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<v Speaker 1>are out the cost they incurred when they ordered it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty clear, right, you can understand that's a direct loss.

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<v Speaker 1>But with digital media it's different. Maybe I never intended

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<v Speaker 1>to buy a certain song. Maybe I kind of want

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<v Speaker 1>that song, but I don't want it badly enough to

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<v Speaker 1>actually spend my money on it. So I decide I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna pirate a copy. The original song, however, still exists.

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<v Speaker 1>The original copy of the song still exists. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>take anything physical. Nothing is stopping a vendor from selling

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<v Speaker 1>just as many copies as they would have even if

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't taken anything. So for that reason, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>really argue that stolen's songs directly translate into lost revenue

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<v Speaker 1>in the digital market, because it could be that the

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<v Speaker 1>people who downloaded songs illegally otherwise would have just never

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<v Speaker 1>bought the music at all, so they may have just

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<v Speaker 1>gone without. It's not a loss sale because it was

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<v Speaker 1>never going to be a sale in the first place. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want this to be one sided. While the

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<v Speaker 1>people downloading music for free, we're circumventing the legal route,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were effectively stealing music, whether you could argue

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<v Speaker 1>that it was causing direct harm or not. The music

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<v Speaker 1>industry wasn't exactly making a good case for purchasing music legally.

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<v Speaker 1>The music landscape was fractured, with some record labels signing

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<v Speaker 1>with certain online stores, other record labels would sign with

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<v Speaker 1>other stores. Sometimes it was very piecemeal, where certain albums

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<v Speaker 1>would be allowed and others wouldn't. And then there was

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<v Speaker 1>the matter of digital rights management or d r m uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a way of protecting digital property. Many companies

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<v Speaker 1>have been putting restrictive DRM on music files. It's meant

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<v Speaker 1>to prevent you from being able to make an infinite

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<v Speaker 1>number of copies of a digital file, because obviously that's

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<v Speaker 1>a downside to the digital format, at least if you

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<v Speaker 1>are in the business of selling stuff, Right, if the

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<v Speaker 1>thing you create it can be replicated infinitely by anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>then all you have to do is sell one of those,

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<v Speaker 1>and then immediately you never sell another copy because people

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<v Speaker 1>just start copying them and then distributing them everywhere. So

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<v Speaker 1>DRM was meant to be a counter to that. You're

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<v Speaker 1>to prevent people from being able to copy indiscriminately in

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<v Speaker 1>some way or another. But one of the nasty side

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<v Speaker 1>effects of DRM is that it can impact the experience

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<v Speaker 1>of legitimate customers. Right, So the purpose of DRM is

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<v Speaker 1>to protect digital media so that people can't just steal it.

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<v Speaker 1>But when that same DRM makes it harder to listen

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<v Speaker 1>to legitimately purchased music, the people who are actually buying

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<v Speaker 1>the stuff feel as though they've been punished for buying it. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>If you if you bought a song and it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out you can't listen to the song the way you

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<v Speaker 1>want to, despite the fact that you've spent money on it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not, you don't have an incentive to keep doing that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're You're You've got a bad experience. Meanwhile, pirates would

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<v Speaker 1>spend some time and effort in order to strip files

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<v Speaker 1>from the DRM, or rather DRM from the files, so

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<v Speaker 1>that the versions that they would upload or allow to

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<v Speaker 1>be downloaded from their machines would be DRM free. So

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<v Speaker 1>you would actually have a better experience listening to the

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<v Speaker 1>pirated music than if you were to purchase the legal stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So as a consumer, you had two choices. Essentially, you

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<v Speaker 1>could jump through some hoops and deal with a crappy

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<v Speaker 1>listening experience with official music that you pay for and

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<v Speaker 1>it's got DRM and everything, so it's got all this

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<v Speaker 1>baggage attached to it, or you could pop on over

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<v Speaker 1>to a piracy site or service and then download whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you want for free. Now, there always was a risk

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<v Speaker 1>that you could also end up downloading some malware on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the music files or whatever where it was

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<v Speaker 1>you were after, but for many it seemed like it

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<v Speaker 1>was worth the risk. So the whole thing was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a mess, and X thought there had to be

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<v Speaker 1>a better way. There had to be some method to

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<v Speaker 1>making music available digitally. That would remove the hurdles that

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<v Speaker 1>the public would have to jump over to get to

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<v Speaker 1>what they wanted. And if he could crack that, if

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<v Speaker 1>he could build a real business out of it, then

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<v Speaker 1>he could stand to really make some money. And he

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking, there's gotta be a way to make the

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<v Speaker 1>experience seamless enough where the legal route is preferable to piracy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the secret. If you can make it just as

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<v Speaker 1>easy or easier to buy music as it would be

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<v Speaker 1>to steal it, then more people are going to buy it.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reasoning was that a lot of people want

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<v Speaker 1>to actually spend money supporting the stuff they love. They

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<v Speaker 1>just if you make it frustrating, they'll go around that,

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<v Speaker 1>because who wants to deal with that kind of nonsense. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this was back in two thousand two, but would still

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<v Speaker 1>be a few years before he would develop the idea further.

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<v Speaker 1>In the meantime, he worked for a couple of companies,

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<v Speaker 1>and he founded some other companies, including an online advertising

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<v Speaker 1>firm called Advertigo, which he would later sell for a

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<v Speaker 1>big profit. In fact, he ended up founding and selling

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<v Speaker 1>four companies in a relatively short time. This was right

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<v Speaker 1>after the wake of eBay purchasing Skype. It kind of

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<v Speaker 1>opened up the mergers and acquisitions market in Europe at

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<v Speaker 1>that time. And by then he was a millionaire, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was considering retiring at the ripe old age of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty three years old, but instead he thought about that

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<v Speaker 1>music challenge again, also millionaire by twenty three. Way to go, dude, man,

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<v Speaker 1>that that's some hustle right there. So Eck found a

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<v Speaker 1>partner in Martin Lawrence n He was actually the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who had acquired ad Vertigo from Daniel Eck, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was ex advertising plat Form. The two began to brainstorm

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<v Speaker 1>about making a legal music service that removed some of

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<v Speaker 1>the barriers that other official stores had kind of been

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<v Speaker 1>putting up. The reason that those barriers encouraged people to

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<v Speaker 1>resort to piracy, and the music industry as a whole

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<v Speaker 1>was hurting as and so something had to be done.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you just made it easier to get that

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<v Speaker 1>music you wanted legally, they figured people would do it,

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<v Speaker 1>just like I was saying earlier. So they created an

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<v Speaker 1>office out of a three bedroom apartment that was above

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<v Speaker 1>a coffee shop, and they began to work on their design.

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<v Speaker 1>Their plan was to leverage peer to peer networks to

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<v Speaker 1>deliver streaming music. So what exactly is a peer to

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<v Speaker 1>peer network and how does it work. Some of you

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<v Speaker 1>might be familiar with peer to peer. It's something that

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<v Speaker 1>was really big in the nineties. It's still quite big today.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just not talked about as much. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation is shifted to cloud computing, but peer to

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<v Speaker 1>peer is still a very important methodology. So here's a

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<v Speaker 1>quick rundown. First, You've got a network of computers all

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<v Speaker 1>right there. They're connected, perhaps over the Internet, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>a it's a network within the Internet, it's not the

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<v Speaker 1>entire Internet. So each of those computers could be owned

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<v Speaker 1>by a regular person like yourself, and each computer in

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<v Speaker 1>that network is what we would call a peer. Each

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<v Speaker 1>computer on the network is running special software, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what makes them peers. It connects them, it creates this

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<v Speaker 1>network among all the peers on that particular connection, and

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<v Speaker 1>peers can share files with one another without having to

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<v Speaker 1>go through an intermediary server. So if I'm on the

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<v Speaker 1>network and you're on the network, we could share files

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<v Speaker 1>directly with one another. And typically the way this would

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<v Speaker 1>work is that you would designate a special folder on

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<v Speaker 1>your computer's hard drive to act as a share folder,

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<v Speaker 1>and anything you would put in that share folder could

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<v Speaker 1>be seen and copied by peers on the network, and

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<v Speaker 1>the more peers who have copies of a file, the

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<v Speaker 1>faster downloads go. As your computer can pull from the

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<v Speaker 1>best connection available across the network, you can get bits

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<v Speaker 1>and pieces from different computers and just download a file

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<v Speaker 1>much faster than if it were dependent upon a single source.

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<v Speaker 1>So the more computers on a peer to peer network

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<v Speaker 1>that are hosting a file, the faster those transfers will go. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing illegal about this method of file transfer. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a great way to disseminate large files across a network.

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<v Speaker 1>It's efficient, and it removes the need for more hefty

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<v Speaker 1>network servers. But it also allowed for people to share

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<v Speaker 1>stuff illegally at a pretty alarming rate, at least alarming

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<v Speaker 1>to media companies, and so selling the idea of a

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<v Speaker 1>legal peer to peer network was a bit of an

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<v Speaker 1>uphill battle. However, the actual implementation of a peer to

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<v Speaker 1>peer network using Spotify service was a lot different from

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<v Speaker 1>the napsters and kazas of the piracy era. The plan

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't to allow users to build up an enormous library

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<v Speaker 1>of songs in their personal computers, which they then could

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<v Speaker 1>help distribute across an ever widening network and thus sap

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<v Speaker 1>the music industry of its revenue. Instead, the plan was

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<v Speaker 1>to use peer to peer relationships to create a good

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<v Speaker 1>listening experience for users to sidestep another problem. That problem

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<v Speaker 1>was if you wanted to create a centralized music on

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<v Speaker 1>demand service, you'd be beholden to the Internet connections between

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<v Speaker 1>your server, your giant music database, and all of your users.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this wasn't as huge a problem in Sweden, which

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<v Speaker 1>was a leading and still is a leading country when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to rolling out high speed broadband internet, but

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<v Speaker 1>it would make it difficult to scale Spotify globally. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's say that you did go with this method, where

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<v Speaker 1>you went with a centralized approach. You have your big

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<v Speaker 1>music database that's sitting in a data center somewhere on

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<v Speaker 1>your property. If a connection were bad between a user

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<v Speaker 1>and this database, the user might have to wait for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time for a song to buffer far enough

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<v Speaker 1>along to start playing. That's irritating, or worse, the song's

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<v Speaker 1>quality might suffer in the middle of the song, or

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<v Speaker 1>it might stop playing. That you know it might midplay

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<v Speaker 1>through while the service tried to get the data from

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<v Speaker 1>the server side to the user's device and restart the song.

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<v Speaker 1>The peer to peer approach could help that. Now explain

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<v Speaker 1>how it works in just a moment, But let's get

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<v Speaker 1>back to the business side for a second. They met

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of resistance from record labels because they

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<v Speaker 1>were going to have to get licensing agreements from those

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<v Speaker 1>record labels in order to do this. But their arguments

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<v Speaker 1>were persuasive. It took a long time, but they were

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<v Speaker 1>making some pretty sound arguments. They laid out the challenges

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<v Speaker 1>that I mentioned earlier with the older model of music.

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<v Speaker 1>They stayed in their case in terms of business plans,

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<v Speaker 1>and they said, are the licensing fees and royalties would

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<v Speaker 1>provide steady revenue to the record labels and presumably too

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<v Speaker 1>artists more than that in a second, But it was

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<v Speaker 1>challenging to get the record labels to agree. It was

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<v Speaker 1>also challenging to get investors on board because without the

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<v Speaker 1>backing of the music industry, there was no business for Spotify.

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<v Speaker 1>They had nothing to provide anybody, and many investors saw

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<v Speaker 1>the idea as a bad bet, So Lawrenson would end

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<v Speaker 1>up funding operations for a couple of years, just out

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<v Speaker 1>of out of pocket. Now, gradually record labels began to

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<v Speaker 1>come around, and they sort of had to because the

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<v Speaker 1>music industry revenues had peaked in nineteen ninety nine at

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven billion dollars. That's a lot of cheddar, as

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Bolan would say, but that was the peak. It

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<v Speaker 1>went to decline after that, sales started flagging. This wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just due to piracy, although to hear the music industry,

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<v Speaker 1>they would argue vehemently that piracy was what took the

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<v Speaker 1>largest chunk out of their, uh, their revenue. I would

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<v Speaker 1>say that there were a lot of different factors. But

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<v Speaker 1>by a decade later, in two thousand and eight, the

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<v Speaker 1>global industry was down to fourteen billion dollars. That's still

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of money, but that's like half of what

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<v Speaker 1>it was in nine and so it took Spotify about

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<v Speaker 1>two years from conception to launch. It was thought of

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand two, it was seriously started in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand six, and it was launched in two thousand eight,

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<v Speaker 1>in October two thousand eight, uh and launched in just

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<v Speaker 1>a few European countries at the time. It did get

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<v Speaker 1>the backing of the four major music labels. That would

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<v Speaker 1>be Warner Music, Sony, E and My Music and Universal. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when we come back, I'll talk more about how the

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<v Speaker 1>service works and how it's evolved since two thousand and eight.

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<v Speaker 1>But first let's take a quick break. Okay, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the Spotify service. To access Spotify, you first

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<v Speaker 1>need to download the client software for whatever platforms you

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<v Speaker 1>plan to use. Now, originally this was limited to desktop computers,

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<v Speaker 1>so your first step was downloading some software to your

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<v Speaker 1>machine and installing it. This would act as your interface,

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<v Speaker 1>allowing you to search for songs on the service, but

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<v Speaker 1>it also served as the peer to peer software to

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<v Speaker 1>make your machine part of the overall sharing network. This

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<v Speaker 1>client can pull music stored on your computer into your

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<v Speaker 1>Spotify library, assuming the music you have isn't stored in

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<v Speaker 1>a protected M four P file. That's actually a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit redundant because in four P stands were IMPEG four

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<v Speaker 1>protected audio. Uh. This was a file extension that Apple's

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<v Speaker 1>fair Play digital rights management system used. The format restricted

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<v Speaker 1>the devices that could play the associated audio file and

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<v Speaker 1>limited to authorized devices only, So if an device was

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<v Speaker 1>authorized to play the file, it could otherwise it could not.

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<v Speaker 1>Spotify just to sidestep any problems, said we can't handle

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<v Speaker 1>any of those types of files. However, if you did

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<v Speaker 1>happen to have songs in that format, Spotify would look

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<v Speaker 1>to see if it had a license for those tracks

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<v Speaker 1>on its service. So if you happen to have a

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<v Speaker 1>track of an artist that was on Spotify, and that

0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:04.040
<v Speaker 1>song was on Spotify, it would match the track with

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<v Speaker 1>what was in your library and just go ahead and

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<v Speaker 1>put that in your playlist. It's just you wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>listening to the version that was on your computer. You

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<v Speaker 1>would actually be listening to one that was on the

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<v Speaker 1>Spotify service itself, and it would be a a non

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<v Speaker 1>uh M four P DRM version. All other songs, whether

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<v Speaker 1>in Spotify's licensing agreements or not, would appear in your library,

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<v Speaker 1>assuming you have DRM free versions on your computer. So

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<v Speaker 1>even if you had a whole mess of songs in

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<v Speaker 1>your computer's memory, if it was in its hard drive

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<v Speaker 1>that were not on Spotify. Let's say that you had

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<v Speaker 1>all the Beatles albums, and Beatles was one of those

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<v Speaker 1>groups that wasn't being carried by Spotify, it would show

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<v Speaker 1>up in your library because you had them on your

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<v Speaker 1>hard drive, but no one else would be able to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to those using Spotify, you know, pulling it over

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<v Speaker 1>the network. The format Spotify uses when streaming music is

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<v Speaker 1>the Vorbis method of audio compression. Vorbis is an open

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<v Speaker 1>source software project, and it uses the file extension dot

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<v Speaker 1>o g g or og for compressed audio files. So

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<v Speaker 1>you often hear people talk about as Aga Vorbis, which

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like a character from Game of Thrones. Now, actually

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<v Speaker 1>it does trace its name to a fantasy series, but

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<v Speaker 1>one that's a little more lighthearted than George R. R.

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<v Speaker 1>Martin's epic Saga because the name Vorbius comes from Terry

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<v Speaker 1>Pratchett's fantasy comedy series Discworld, a fantastic comedy fantasy series.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've never read any of the Discworld books, I

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<v Speaker 1>highly recommend checking them out. But this name was specifically

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<v Speaker 1>from the book Small Gods. Aug is also a name

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<v Speaker 1>that shows up in Terry Pratchett's works, but that was

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<v Speaker 1>just a coincidence. The uh the Age extension was not

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<v Speaker 1>named after the Terry Pratchett character uh Nanny Ogg in

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<v Speaker 1>the Discworld books. I've talked about audio compression before, but

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<v Speaker 1>here's a quick reminder. The purpose for compression is that

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<v Speaker 1>audio files tend to be pretty large, and the larger

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<v Speaker 1>the file size, the more time it takes to send

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<v Speaker 1>over a network, and that time is experienced by the

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<v Speaker 1>user as a lag between hitting the play button and

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<v Speaker 1>hearing any sound, or in the form of having a

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<v Speaker 1>song stop part way through while the data transfer continues

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<v Speaker 1>in the background, or having the quality of the sound

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<v Speaker 1>drop in the middle of play through. So compression means

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<v Speaker 1>you take these files and you make the file size

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<v Speaker 1>is smaller and thus easier to transfer across a network.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are two broadways to do this. There's lossless

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<v Speaker 1>and lossy. Now, lossless compression means that you take a file,

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<v Speaker 1>you squish it down, you compress it, and when you

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<v Speaker 1>un squash it when you when you expand it back,

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<v Speaker 1>you have the bit for bit identical file as the

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<v Speaker 1>pre compressed version. So you have song file A, you

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<v Speaker 1>compress it into compressed format B, and when you take

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<v Speaker 1>it back out of compression is back to song file A. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not easy to do, and typically you only

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<v Speaker 1>reduce the file size by a relatively small amount. Some

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<v Speaker 1>files can only be compressed down maybe five cent, which

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<v Speaker 1>does not save you a whole lot of space, and

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<v Speaker 1>you might be able to get down as much as

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<v Speaker 1>fifty with certain types of lossless compression. But if you're

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<v Speaker 1>really looking at a high quality audio file and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a large audio file, even the reduction is still still

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<v Speaker 1>means you're dealing with a big file. It still might

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<v Speaker 1>be too big for you to easily stream. Lossy compression

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<v Speaker 1>can squish files down much smaller than lossless, but they

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<v Speaker 1>do so at drumroll please a loss. Lossy compression ditches

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<v Speaker 1>some of the data in the audio file during the

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<v Speaker 1>compression process. Now, ideally, the information the compression format ditches

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<v Speaker 1>represents stuff that you wouldn't be able to notice anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>because human hearing can only pick up a range of frequencies,

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<v Speaker 1>and typically we describe it as the average human can

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<v Speaker 1>hear between twenty hurts to twenty kill a hurts. Anything

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<v Speaker 1>that is above or below that range is outside what

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<v Speaker 1>we could directly perceive. So if the audio file has

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<v Speaker 1>any information about sounds beyond human hearing, then it might

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<v Speaker 1>just sweep that stuff under the digital rug before compressing

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<v Speaker 1>the rest. It might say, well, no one could hear

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<v Speaker 1>this anyway, so there's no point in keeping it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna not include that information. There are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different rules for compression and different codex to

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<v Speaker 1>follow different philosophies, but they're all based on the psychoacoustic

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<v Speaker 1>model of how we perceive sound. So if it determines

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<v Speaker 1>that we would not have perceived that sound, it can

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<v Speaker 1>go out out the door at the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's important, it's supposed to go into the compressed file,

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<v Speaker 1>and if it's not, it doesn't. The question is who

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<v Speaker 1>determines what exactly is important. That's what the different codex do.

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<v Speaker 1>Moving on, so, Spotify chose the ag vorbis format because

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<v Speaker 1>it represented a great return on investments. Plus, being open

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<v Speaker 1>source and in the public domain meant that the company

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<v Speaker 1>could use the format without worrying about licensing issues, so

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<v Speaker 1>there was no fear that one day they would turn

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<v Speaker 1>around and encounter resistance from some vendor that had them

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<v Speaker 1>over a barrel by holding onto a compression license in

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<v Speaker 1>return for more money. That no one's gonna say to them, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I see that you're doing really well now, so we

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<v Speaker 1>want a bigger cut of the profits. Also, according to

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin Goldsmith, who was the vice president of engineering at

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<v Speaker 1>Spotify for several years. The ag vorbis format provided good

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<v Speaker 1>audio quality relative to the bandwidth needed to stream the audio,

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<v Speaker 1>so they just felt like they were getting the best

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<v Speaker 1>results with it. The standard audio quality for Spotify's desktop

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<v Speaker 1>app is one sixty kilobits per second. Now, technically that

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<v Speaker 1>refers to the audio files bit rate, or the number

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<v Speaker 1>of bits used per unit of playback time to represent audio.

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<v Speaker 1>Generally speaking, the higher that number, the better quality of

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<v Speaker 1>audio you get. Essentially, you're saying you're using more information

0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:14.080
<v Speaker 1>to to present that sound per unit of time. One

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<v Speaker 1>sixty kill a bits per second is kind of in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of audio quality for streaming. If you were

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<v Speaker 1>to upgrade to premium Spotify UH and more on that later,

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<v Speaker 1>the bit rate would be increased to three killabits per second,

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<v Speaker 1>so you would have higher quality audio files. The actual

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<v Speaker 1>quality of the audio you would experience would be dependent

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<v Speaker 1>not just on bit rate, but other stuff, sample rate

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<v Speaker 1>and all that good stuff, plus the quality of the

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<v Speaker 1>speakers you're using, So in some cases you might not

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<v Speaker 1>really be able to tell the difference between hundred sixty

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<v Speaker 1>killabits per second and three killabits per second. If you

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<v Speaker 1>had really low quality headphones, for example, you might listen

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<v Speaker 1>to the exact same track and not be able to

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<v Speaker 1>tell the difference between the good version and the bad

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<v Speaker 1>version quote unquote, or the good version and the better

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<v Speaker 1>version if you prefer, uh, if your headphones are are crappy.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's dependent on lots of different things. Plus it's

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<v Speaker 1>dependent upon our perception, which is not reliable all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. While Spotify relied on DRM free Music to

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<v Speaker 1>pull into the music library, the format Spotify uses to

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<v Speaker 1>stream includes DRM, so that's also something to remember. In

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<v Speaker 1>addition to the songs that you've already got stored on

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<v Speaker 1>your device, you can search the Spotify service for specific tracks.

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<v Speaker 1>So these would be things that you don't own that

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<v Speaker 1>are on your hard drive, and Spotify has an agreement

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<v Speaker 1>with whatever entity holds the right for that music, the

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<v Speaker 1>track should pop right up. So let's say you play

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<v Speaker 1>on a track that you want to hear. You you

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<v Speaker 1>have decided you want to hear S O B by

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<v Speaker 1>Nathaniel Rateliff in the Night Sweats, which is a phenomenal song.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't have that song in your hard drive, though,

0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:56.720
<v Speaker 1>so you open up Spotify and you type it in

0:25:56.960 --> 0:26:00.639
<v Speaker 1>and you see that it's available there, Spotify serves up

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<v Speaker 1>a streaming version of the song to you, and rather

0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:06.879
<v Speaker 1>than serve it to you from a central server, it

0:26:06.960 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 1>consults the network of Spotify users and it finds copies

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:15.320
<v Speaker 1>of the song on those peers, those users whose devices

0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 1>are currently connected to the network, and it sends the

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:22.240
<v Speaker 1>file to you streaming. By relying on this network, this

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 1>helps ensure that you get an uninterrupted experience played at

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:28.119
<v Speaker 1>a decent sound quality. And while you're listening to the music,

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:31.359
<v Speaker 1>Spotify is actually storing the song in a memory cash

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:35.240
<v Speaker 1>on your computer, and that serves two purposes. First, because

0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:37.520
<v Speaker 1>Spotify is staying a little ahead of you in your

0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:40.679
<v Speaker 1>listening experience, you're listening to music that's stored on your

0:26:40.720 --> 0:26:45.600
<v Speaker 1>device's memory, not pouring directly in from the Spotify feed.

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:48.320
<v Speaker 1>So as long as the data going into your memory

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 1>is outpacing the playback speed, you won't have any interruptions. So,

0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:55.199
<v Speaker 1>in other words, they're filling up the bucket faster than

0:26:55.240 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 1>you can empty the bucket. But more importantly for Spotify operations,

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:02.679
<v Speaker 1>those songs that are stored in the cash memory of

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:06.119
<v Speaker 1>your device stay there so they can be used in

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:09.239
<v Speaker 1>the peer to peer sharing. I was talking about So

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<v Speaker 1>the next time someone else in the network wants to

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<v Speaker 1>listen to S O B, Spotify might be in part

0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:17.720
<v Speaker 1>relying on your computer because you happen to have listened

0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:20.240
<v Speaker 1>to that song earlier, and it happens to be stored

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:25.159
<v Speaker 1>in your cash, so your device helps keep Spotify's service going.

0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes the cash material might cause some other issues on

0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 1>your device. If you've got an awful lot of stuff

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:33.280
<v Speaker 1>on there, maybe you don't have a lot of space

0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:35.440
<v Speaker 1>on your device, and you might notice that things aren't

0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:38.359
<v Speaker 1>running as smoothly as they normally do. So Spotify allows

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 1>users to go into their settings and see where offline

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:44.080
<v Speaker 1>songs are stored. This would be the cash that they

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>rely upon. You can then go to that folder and

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<v Speaker 1>delete the files in that folder to clear out the cash.

0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 1>That's just for the desktop version. For iPhones, it's a

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 1>little bit more of a pain. Spotify advises iPhone users

0:27:56.320 --> 0:28:02.399
<v Speaker 1>to reinstall the Spotify app. You know, essentially you're taking

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:04.159
<v Speaker 1>it off your phone and putting it back on again,

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:06.760
<v Speaker 1>which will clear out the apps cash, but it will

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:08.919
<v Speaker 1>also log you out of your account, so you have

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.200
<v Speaker 1>to log back in. You have to re sink any

0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 1>offline music you have stored on your phone with your account,

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:16.880
<v Speaker 1>you have to reactivate any preferred settings you might want

0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 1>on there, So that's kind of a hassle. On Android devices,

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:22.440
<v Speaker 1>it's a little bit better. You can go into your library,

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<v Speaker 1>mean you choose settings, select other in the options, and

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:30.200
<v Speaker 1>then delete cash and save data. It's not exactly straightforward,

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:32.439
<v Speaker 1>but it's perhaps a little bit better than having to

0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>reinstall the whole app. Now, I'm not surprised that it's

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:37.440
<v Speaker 1>a bit of a headache to clear out the cash

0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:41.960
<v Speaker 1>because Spotify's operation depends upon this peer to peer infrastructure,

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 1>and the songs in your cash are what help ensure

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 1>a smooth experience for people in the network. So your

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.880
<v Speaker 1>device is effectively working for Spotify, which is why they

0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 1>probably don't make it super easy for you to clear

0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:58.440
<v Speaker 1>that cash. Your device is effectively working for Spotify. Now,

0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:01.040
<v Speaker 1>I've got a lot more to say about Spotify, but

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>before I get into that, let's take another quick break

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:15.040
<v Speaker 1>to thank our sponsor. Okay, So Spotify launches in two

0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>thousand eight in Europe and uses this peer to peer

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 1>technology to help deliver high speed streaming to users. The

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>company had managed to make some deals with enough record

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 1>labels to create a compelling but by no means universal

0:29:28.080 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 1>music service, and it rolled out operations gradually, originally relying

0:29:32.400 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 1>on an invitation only approach to adding listeners so as

0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:39.080
<v Speaker 1>to guarantee a good experience and not get overwhelmed. Riyal

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:43.719
<v Speaker 1>the gate Plus they had two tiers of users. They

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 1>had free users and premium users. The free users were

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 1>the only ones that had to be invitation only if

0:29:49.360 --> 0:29:52.400
<v Speaker 1>you wanted to pay for the service. They as many

0:29:52.400 --> 0:29:55.479
<v Speaker 1>people could join as possible for that. They didn't want

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 1>to limit that at all. Understandably, that's not snark, that's

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.000
<v Speaker 1>just I mean, that's just makes sense. Uh. The invitation

0:30:02.400 --> 0:30:05.800
<v Speaker 1>served another purpose because it also gave the service and

0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:10.520
<v Speaker 1>air of exclusivity. Nothing makes people want to try something

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 1>out more than being told there's a limit to the

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 1>number of users who will be accepted. And we saw

0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:20.320
<v Speaker 1>the same thing when Google Plus launched. Each user would

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<v Speaker 1>have five invites they could extend to other people, So

0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 1>finding someone on the service who hadn't already dedicated all

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:32.040
<v Speaker 1>five invites became a bit of a common pastime. You

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 1>would look for your friends and say, hey, do any

0:30:34.480 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 1>of you have an invite to Spotify? And like I said,

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 1>the service did have two tiers. The free tier was

0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 1>supported by advertising still is supported by advertising. Um it

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 1>has had a limitation on the number of hours that

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 1>users could stream music per month, and the service also

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:52.440
<v Speaker 1>placed limits on the number of times you could listen

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 1>to any particular track over a given amount of time,

0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 1>and those were really Spotify is way of of bowing

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 1>to the music and the street to get these negotiations

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 1>to work out. So if you listen to Spotify on

0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:09.320
<v Speaker 1>the service, uh, you'd get a commercial between every few songs,

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:12.240
<v Speaker 1>and if you try to mute the audio on commercials,

0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:14.480
<v Speaker 1>it would just pause the ad, so really you're just

0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 1>putting off the inevitable. The desktop application would likewise display

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 1>ads over the user interface, so you could get both

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 1>audio and visual ads to generate revenue for Spotify, and

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 1>occasionally video ads playing as well. In addition, Spotify introduced

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 1>a premium tier, so for a monthly fee which has

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>changed a few times over the years, but for a

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 1>certain amount per month, you could get unlimited access to

0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:41.560
<v Speaker 1>the music that was available over Spotify. There were no

0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 1>monthly restrictions on use. You weren't capped at a certain

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 1>number of hours and you also had no ads with premium.

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Premium users could also listen to Spotify offline. Obviously, that

0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 1>service would rely on the music stored on the device

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>you're using, and you would get an unlimited number of

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 1>skips of songs. If something was playing and you didn't

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 1>care to listen to it, you could skip it, and

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 1>then if you didn't like the next six songs, you

0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 1>could skip those as well, and you'd never run out

0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:11.400
<v Speaker 1>of the skips. Oh and you would also get that

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 1>higher bit rate for your audio files that kill abits

0:32:15.400 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 1>per second. That was another benefit for the premium use.

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<v Speaker 1>Still is another benefit I keep saying was, but this

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.040
<v Speaker 1>is still a thing. The company posted a four point

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 1>four million dollar loss in two thousand and eight, But

0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 1>then it's kind of hard to imagine a scenario where

0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 1>that wouldn't have happened. The company had to deal with

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:38.120
<v Speaker 1>startup costs, all those music licensing fees, had to pay

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 1>for operations, and had to pay out royalties. Spotify says

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>they pay out seventy of their revenue and royalties to

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>different music companies music labels, and it had only just

0:32:49.000 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 1>gotten started. And it's also the sort of business that

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 1>really generates serious revenue after its scales up. It actually

0:32:56.520 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 1>is kind of a money losing venture on till it

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:03.959
<v Speaker 1>gets to a certain size, but turns out that the

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:06.240
<v Speaker 1>loss was just the first in a long series of

0:33:06.280 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 1>annual losses. Spotify was starting to get investors, but it

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 1>wasn't turning a profit. In fact, it wouldn't officially turn

0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>a profitable quarter until February two thousand nineteen, so for

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 1>more than a decade Spotify lost money, though in one

0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:26.920
<v Speaker 1>quarter in two thousand eighteen, it appeared profitable, but that

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:30.320
<v Speaker 1>was because of a one time tax benefit that Spotify

0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:34.360
<v Speaker 1>received due to its stake in another music streaming service

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 1>called ten Cent Music Entertainment Group out of China. Now

0:33:38.240 --> 0:33:40.520
<v Speaker 1>that story gets a bit weird and complex, but it

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:43.720
<v Speaker 1>boils down to this. Ten Cent was going to hold

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:45.520
<v Speaker 1>an I p O in the United States. It was

0:33:45.520 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 1>going to go public in the US, which meant as

0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:51.959
<v Speaker 1>part of that process, it had to declare the company's

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 1>value in an effort of going public. That also meant

0:33:55.920 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>that Spotify had to re evaluate the value of its

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:04.480
<v Speaker 1>in sment Intencent. Because Spotify owned a percentage of stocks

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 1>in the company, they had to reevaluate how much those

0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 1>stocks were actually worth instead of what was believed to

0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:15.400
<v Speaker 1>be worth. That then led to Spotify being eligible for

0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:18.520
<v Speaker 1>a big tax benefit, and that technically put them in

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:21.360
<v Speaker 1>the black in two thousand and eighteen for one quarter.

0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:25.560
<v Speaker 1>But that sort of thing is obviously not replicable. It's

0:34:25.600 --> 0:34:28.239
<v Speaker 1>not sustainable. It's no way to run a business. You know,

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 1>you can't count on that happening every quarter or so.

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:34.680
<v Speaker 1>The transition to profitability in early two thousand nineteen is

0:34:34.719 --> 0:34:38.000
<v Speaker 1>more of a good sign for the company, and it's

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:41.400
<v Speaker 1>also interesting because it's a company that's valued at billions

0:34:41.440 --> 0:34:46.040
<v Speaker 1>of dollars despite having operated at a financial loss for

0:34:46.160 --> 0:34:49.560
<v Speaker 1>nearly all of its existence. It's another way of reminding

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:53.279
<v Speaker 1>me that business is crazy. That you can run a

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 1>business that is losing money year after year after year,

0:34:57.400 --> 0:34:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and yet the value of your company that is not

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:03.840
<v Speaker 1>making money is going up and up and up to

0:35:03.920 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 1>a point where you know, eventually one of two things

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 1>needs to happen. Either your company needs to start making

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>money so that all of that investment in that company

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 1>is justified, or everything falls apart and everybody loses their

0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 1>shirt and a lot of people are out of jobs.

0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 1>I obviously prefer option A to option B. But it

0:35:25.360 --> 0:35:28.880
<v Speaker 1>still blows my mind that companies like Spotify. Spotify is

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 1>not alone in this Twitter is another great example. But

0:35:31.480 --> 0:35:35.560
<v Speaker 1>companies like Spotify could operate for so long without making

0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 1>money and uh and yet still see the value of

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 1>the company on the rise. It's crazy anyway. Jumping back

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:46.680
<v Speaker 1>to two thousand nine for a second. In February two nine,

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:51.480
<v Speaker 1>Spotify drop the requirement for invitations and launched registrations in

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:54.080
<v Speaker 1>the UK, so if you wanted a free Spotify account,

0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:56.840
<v Speaker 1>you could sign up. If you were in Europe and

0:35:57.080 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 1>no specifically in the UK, you could sign up for

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:02.320
<v Speaker 1>a free account right off the bat. It also launched

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:05.839
<v Speaker 1>the Spotify Mobile service. It was pretty primitive in the

0:36:05.880 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 1>early incarnation, but it did expand its offerings to mobile

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 1>phone users. I think this is a good time to

0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 1>mention it was sort of a serendipitous issue of timing

0:36:14.719 --> 0:36:17.320
<v Speaker 1>for Spotify to launch in two thousand and eight because

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Apple had introduced the iPhone in two thousand seven, and

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:23.319
<v Speaker 1>Apple had effectively opened up the gates for an era

0:36:23.440 --> 0:36:27.319
<v Speaker 1>of consumer smartphones, because up to that point, smartphones had

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 1>largely been reserved for executives and for bleeding edge early

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 1>adopters and no one else. The smartphone revolution really created

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:39.120
<v Speaker 1>a market for services like Spotify. People like having a

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:43.960
<v Speaker 1>portable music source. But Spotify executives would even admit later on.

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Daniel Eck admitted later on that the company was a

0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:53.560
<v Speaker 1>little late to create a truly robust mobile app, that

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:56.000
<v Speaker 1>they were a little late to the game on that one.

0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:59.840
<v Speaker 1>They still managed to capitalize on it, but they probably

0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:03.359
<v Speaker 1>should have moved earlier than they did. However, even that

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:07.279
<v Speaker 1>early limited mobile service was a big hit, so much

0:37:07.320 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 1>so that Spotify would actually close down those open registrations

0:37:10.600 --> 0:37:13.280
<v Speaker 1>in the UK went back to the invitation only model

0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:16.919
<v Speaker 1>back in September of two thousand nine, so users could

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:20.360
<v Speaker 1>opt for the premium service without the need for an invitation.

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:23.759
<v Speaker 1>Yet again and again, it makes sense Spotify wasn't going

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:25.520
<v Speaker 1>to say no, we're gonna limit the number of people

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 1>who want to give us money. Meanwhile, Spotify was dealing

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 1>with some of the other issues that tech companies have

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 1>had to face throughout their own histories, like data security

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 1>being a big one. In March two thousand nine, Spotify

0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:41.399
<v Speaker 1>representatives announced that the security team at the company had

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:45.520
<v Speaker 1>detected a security flaw in the Spotify service, which could

0:37:45.560 --> 0:37:49.280
<v Speaker 1>have meant that someone had gained unauthorized access to private

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:52.840
<v Speaker 1>account information for people who had registered before December nineteen,

0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:57.520
<v Speaker 1>two thousand eight. Whether anyone had actually done that was unknown,

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:02.760
<v Speaker 1>but it was technically possible. Spotify patched that vulnerability. Also

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:06.400
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand nine, a guy named Mark Zuckerberg you've

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:09.120
<v Speaker 1>heard of it um, posted on a little platform that

0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:12.120
<v Speaker 1>he had co founded called Facebook that he thought Spotify

0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 1>was quote so good end quote kind of like sweet Caroline,

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and that was an early hint of things to come

0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:24.480
<v Speaker 1>in the United States. Would take a couple of years

0:38:24.520 --> 0:38:27.239
<v Speaker 1>to come to fruition, but Facebook and Spotify would be

0:38:27.440 --> 0:38:32.040
<v Speaker 1>BFFs at that point. Spotify also introduced a music purchase

0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 1>option in some markets in two thousand nine, which meant

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:38.319
<v Speaker 1>users in those markets could buy music tracks right off

0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Spotify and use Spotify like an online music store similar

0:38:41.840 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 1>to iTunes. That feature would stick around until early two

0:38:45.040 --> 0:38:48.000
<v Speaker 1>thousand thirteen, and Spotify then discontinued it, but for a

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:51.120
<v Speaker 1>while that was another revenue source was acting as a

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 1>servant online retailer. In January, Spotify had another headache to

0:38:57.280 --> 0:39:02.879
<v Speaker 1>deal with the anti virus software Semantic identified Spotify as

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:07.200
<v Speaker 1>a trojan horse form of malware, which seems pretty harsh

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 1>to me, but you can kind of understand it because

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:14.040
<v Speaker 1>since it used this peer to peer relationship, it meant

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:15.400
<v Speaker 1>that there was a lot of stuff going on in

0:39:15.400 --> 0:39:18.360
<v Speaker 1>the background and that could look suspicious to an anti

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.799
<v Speaker 1>virus software if they thought, oh, it looks like some

0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:26.719
<v Speaker 1>program is trying to gain administrative access or some sort

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 1>of backdoor access to a computer. So it was proactively

0:39:30.760 --> 0:39:35.240
<v Speaker 1>blocking Spotify from working. So users with semantic antivirus software

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.000
<v Speaker 1>found their Spotify programs were being nullified. So that was

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:40.920
<v Speaker 1>a big pain for a lot of people for at

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 1>least a short while until it was all patched out.

0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Two thousand eleven was when Spotify was finally able to

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:50.240
<v Speaker 1>enter the US market, So it launched in two thousand

0:39:50.200 --> 0:39:52.440
<v Speaker 1>and eight. People over here in the U S had

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:55.160
<v Speaker 1>heard about it, but no one was able to actually

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:58.040
<v Speaker 1>access it without using you know, VPNs or some other

0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 1>method to get around the that their computers were. In

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:04.279
<v Speaker 1>the US. It taken more time for the company to

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:07.799
<v Speaker 1>negotiate with music labels. Um they had to you know,

0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:10.840
<v Speaker 1>every time they want to move into a new market,

0:40:10.880 --> 0:40:14.840
<v Speaker 1>they have to renegotiate with music labels because the music

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:19.480
<v Speaker 1>labels want to be able to dictate how their music

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 1>is sold in any given market, and the US is

0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 1>a particularly big market, so it took a lot of negotiations.

0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Spotify said it has paid billions of dollars in royalty

0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 1>fees over the years that there have been some other

0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:35.840
<v Speaker 1>stories that kind of raise questions about this. So, for example,

0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:39.279
<v Speaker 1>one famous story that tends to get quoted all over

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the place, and I think it dates all the way

0:40:41.040 --> 0:40:44.879
<v Speaker 1>back to two thousand nine, is that Lady Gaga's track

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:49.279
<v Speaker 1>poker Face had hit a few million streams early in

0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Spotify's history, and yet generated only one hundred sixty seven

0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:59.760
<v Speaker 1>dollars in revenues, hundred sixty seven thousand, just one sixty

0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:02.839
<v Speaker 1>seven and a hundred bucks plus sixty seven more bucks,

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and that's it. Spotify doesn't have a stock per play

0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 1>royalty rate, but I've seen estimates of per play a

0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:16.360
<v Speaker 1>track earning point zero zero six dollars, so point six

0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:20.080
<v Speaker 1>cents to point zero zero eight four dollars or point

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:23.080
<v Speaker 1>zero eight four or point eight four cents, I should say,

0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:25.480
<v Speaker 1>so not even a full penny per play, So you

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:28.479
<v Speaker 1>got to rack up a lot of plays to earn

0:41:28.520 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 1>a dollar, let alone a hundred sixty seven. Now, that

0:41:31.680 --> 0:41:36.239
<v Speaker 1>has led some artists to complain about Spotify, saying that

0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:39.960
<v Speaker 1>this company is benefiting unfairly from the artist's work. And

0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:42.040
<v Speaker 1>you can see where they're coming from. If they're saying,

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:44.799
<v Speaker 1>millions of people are listening to my music and I

0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:47.319
<v Speaker 1>got a hundred bucks for it, that does seem to

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:52.880
<v Speaker 1>be pretty unfair. But then Spotify kept operating at a loss.

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:56.279
<v Speaker 1>The company itself wasn't making an enormous amount of money,

0:41:56.280 --> 0:41:59.280
<v Speaker 1>and according to Spotify again, they were giving the vast

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 1>majority of their revenues back as royalty payments to record labels.

0:42:04.440 --> 0:42:08.040
<v Speaker 1>So maybe you could argue the record labels had some

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 1>responsibility for this, since they were so vehement in their

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:15.879
<v Speaker 1>negotiations with Spotify, But I think overall, it really just

0:42:16.000 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>points out what a complicated industry, the entertainment industry is

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 1>in general. So Spotify partnered with Facebook for the United

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 1>States rollout, and US users could download Spotify on their

0:42:29.719 --> 0:42:32.920
<v Speaker 1>computers and uh they could create an account using their

0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Facebook login information and automatically connect Spotify to Facebook. That

0:42:37.960 --> 0:42:41.120
<v Speaker 1>helped drive adoption in the US. It also lead to

0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:44.840
<v Speaker 1>some controversy. There was a two thousand eighteen piece in

0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:48.200
<v Speaker 1>The New York Times, a report that found Facebook had

0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:53.680
<v Speaker 1>some pretty liberal data sharing agreements with various partners, including Spotify,

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:57.880
<v Speaker 1>and that those agreements gave companies extensive access to user

0:42:58.000 --> 0:43:02.080
<v Speaker 1>data and that included thing Spotify, Netflix, and the Royal

0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Bank of Canada the ability to read private messages between users. Yikes,

0:43:09.080 --> 0:43:10.879
<v Speaker 1>So why would they do that? Why would they give

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:14.480
<v Speaker 1>these companies the ability? Well, the thought was, at least

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:17.799
<v Speaker 1>for Spotify, that users could send updates on what they

0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 1>were listening to to their friends on Facebook. Through this

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:24.400
<v Speaker 1>messaging service, you could essentially say, Oh, I'm listening to

0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 1>Lady Gaga and my buddy Shay really loves Lady Gaga,

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:31.040
<v Speaker 1>so I'm going to remind Shay. Hey, hey, listen, I'm

0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 1>listening to Lady Gaga right now. Check it out and

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 1>send her a message. Uh. This, by the way, was

0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:41.320
<v Speaker 1>a messaging service that predated Facebook Messenger, the current version

0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 1>of Messenger that Facebook uses. But in order to do this,

0:43:45.280 --> 0:43:48.680
<v Speaker 1>in order to activate this ability, Facebook had to grant

0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:52.839
<v Speaker 1>some access to the messaging service to Spotify, so it

0:43:52.920 --> 0:43:57.279
<v Speaker 1>wasn't necessarily intentionally awful, but it doesn't take a lot

0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:00.560
<v Speaker 1>of imagination to conjure up how a system could be

0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 1>really badly abused in this way. But the idea was

0:44:04.560 --> 0:44:07.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of similar to giving up the rights to a

0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:11.360
<v Speaker 1>work so that it can be displayed on a on

0:44:11.440 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 1>a cloud service. Right if you if you create a

0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 1>document on Google Docs, you give up some of the

0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:22.160
<v Speaker 1>rights of that document. But it's not meant to transfer

0:44:22.239 --> 0:44:25.480
<v Speaker 1>the intellectual property over to Google. Rather, it's to give

0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Google their permission to show you that document no matter

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:33.799
<v Speaker 1>what computer you're using, because otherwise Google would effectively be

0:44:34.640 --> 0:44:38.960
<v Speaker 1>circumventing those rules for intellectual property. That was the same

0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:40.920
<v Speaker 1>idea with this, but you can see how it was

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:46.080
<v Speaker 1>not particularly well thought out. In two thousand eighteen, Spotify

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.920
<v Speaker 1>became the world's most valuable music company after its public

0:44:50.000 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 1>listing on the New York Stock Exchange, which pushed the

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:57.319
<v Speaker 1>company to a valuation of twenty five billion dollars. And

0:44:57.400 --> 0:45:00.200
<v Speaker 1>keep in mind that at that point the company had

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 1>still yet to turn a profit. Unbelievable. Now these days,

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Spotify has around nineties six million paid subscribers, many more

0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:13.440
<v Speaker 1>use the free option, and in early two thousand nineteen,

0:45:13.520 --> 0:45:17.600
<v Speaker 1>Spotify made another big move by acquiring Gimlet Media and

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.320
<v Speaker 1>a company called Anchor, both of which are big players

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:23.160
<v Speaker 1>in the podcast world. Anchor is a company that creates

0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:27.440
<v Speaker 1>tools for podcasters to build, monetize, and publish podcasts, and

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:31.880
<v Speaker 1>gimblet Media is a startup podcast network. Spotify plans to

0:45:32.000 --> 0:45:36.640
<v Speaker 1>use those acquisitions to build out original programming on their platform,

0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:39.840
<v Speaker 1>and the company estimates that in the future, non music

0:45:39.880 --> 0:45:43.719
<v Speaker 1>media will account for twenty of all streaming on Spotify,

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:46.960
<v Speaker 1>and the company wouldn't have to dole out royalties to

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:51.040
<v Speaker 1>the music industry for podcast streams, so that reduces costs

0:45:51.120 --> 0:45:55.960
<v Speaker 1>for that particular part of its business. As of this recording,

0:45:56.000 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Spotify plans to spend another half billion dollars on podcasting

0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:04.279
<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen. Serious business. It remains to be seen

0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:07.360
<v Speaker 1>how this will impact the podcasting industry as a whole,

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.719
<v Speaker 1>which obviously I am very interested in since I'm in

0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:14.439
<v Speaker 1>that industry, But there's potential for some pretty big shake

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:16.560
<v Speaker 1>ups coming down the line. There are a lot of

0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:20.480
<v Speaker 1>questions about how Spotify will handle its in house podcasts

0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:23.760
<v Speaker 1>versus those from outside the company, as well as how

0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:28.200
<v Speaker 1>it will handle ads that will play within podcasts. Any

0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:33.440
<v Speaker 1>show that Spotify produces, they can probably monetize it any

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:37.719
<v Speaker 1>which way. For shows that they carry that are produced

0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:41.600
<v Speaker 1>from outside Spotify, that's a little more tricky. Right, Like

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:44.279
<v Speaker 1>the shows I produce, we have ad breaks. I'm sure

0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:48.000
<v Speaker 1>you've noticed them. Obviously, we would want those ad breaks

0:46:48.040 --> 0:46:52.000
<v Speaker 1>preserved if we were to have our shows on other

0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:56.239
<v Speaker 1>platforms like Spotify, which we do, and that's important because

0:46:56.280 --> 0:46:59.120
<v Speaker 1>if they were stripped out, then we wouldn't be able

0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 1>to monetize those episodes, and somebody else will be making

0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 1>money off of our content, and it wouldn't be It

0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:07.320
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't make our advertisers happy, it wouldn't make us happy.

0:47:07.400 --> 0:47:10.920
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's a delicate thing. Presumably Spotify will preserve

0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:14.920
<v Speaker 1>that they are currently preserving the ads from out of

0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:19.880
<v Speaker 1>network podcasts, and then there are the Spotify exclusives that

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:22.399
<v Speaker 1>listeners will only be able to listen to if they

0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 1>happen to use Spotify service, and all of this, I'm

0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:28.080
<v Speaker 1>sure is going to get hashed out over time. On

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:32.040
<v Speaker 1>one last thing, just before I finished the notes for

0:47:32.080 --> 0:47:35.600
<v Speaker 1>this particular episode, some more news broke that Spotify is

0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:40.440
<v Speaker 1>bringing an antitrust lawsuit against Apple in the European Union.

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:44.080
<v Speaker 1>The main charge that they are bringing is that Apple's

0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:47.759
<v Speaker 1>policy is to take a thirty cut of app revenue

0:47:48.080 --> 0:47:51.600
<v Speaker 1>and that this is specifically harmful to streaming services that

0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:56.120
<v Speaker 1>compete against Apple, saying, well, if you take that cut

0:47:56.520 --> 0:48:01.560
<v Speaker 1>for us to operate on your platform, then and considering

0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:04.200
<v Speaker 1>how much revenue we have to spend for our our

0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:07.880
<v Speaker 1>royalties and everything, Uh, it actually costs us money to

0:48:08.040 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 1>work on your on your system. So what you're doing

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:12.920
<v Speaker 1>is you are discouraging other companies to compete with you

0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:16.920
<v Speaker 1>on that space. So this is anti competitive and thus

0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:22.360
<v Speaker 1>uh indicative of a monopoly. So that's where the charge is. Obviously,

0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:25.080
<v Speaker 1>that's going to take some time to to suss out

0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:27.360
<v Speaker 1>over in the EU, So I'm sure I'm gonna have

0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:29.320
<v Speaker 1>to do a follow up at some point. There's a

0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:30.759
<v Speaker 1>lot more to talk about, but I'm going to save

0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:33.839
<v Speaker 1>that for another show. I also plan on doing an

0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:37.000
<v Speaker 1>episode that's sort of more philosophical, touching on some of

0:48:37.000 --> 0:48:41.760
<v Speaker 1>the ideas I've talked about here about how our consumption

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:46.120
<v Speaker 1>of media has changed in my lifetime, how that has

0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:50.880
<v Speaker 1>changed significantly, and what that has meant over the different

0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:56.279
<v Speaker 1>eras of of media consumption. That I have seen, because

0:48:56.520 --> 0:49:00.160
<v Speaker 1>it is a really interesting journey and it had as

0:49:00.760 --> 0:49:03.640
<v Speaker 1>shape not just the technology we use, but the way

0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:06.799
<v Speaker 1>we use it. So look for that episode in the

0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:10.759
<v Speaker 1>near future. It'll probably be me being a contankerous old

0:49:10.760 --> 0:49:13.320
<v Speaker 1>man saying in my day when we listen to podcasts,

0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:15.960
<v Speaker 1>we had to do it uphill both ways, four ft

0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:19.840
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