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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson, home

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Speaker 1: of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson and

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Speaker 1: Matt we're a week out from the draft. Now, draft

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Speaker 1: the first first round has been in the books now

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Speaker 1: for a week, and we're starting to see some some

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Speaker 1: more um stuff kind of coming out about where Baker

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Speaker 1: Mayfield might wind up. And I bring this up on

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio because there was a report out of Cleveland, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, a month ago that the it was

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Speaker 1: pure speculation that the Steelers would jump all over Baker

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Speaker 1: Mayfield if, if, the if the Browns released him. And

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Speaker 1: now I think there's some panics setting in in Cleveland

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Speaker 1: because Pete Carroll came out yesterday and said he doesn't

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Speaker 1: see the Seahawks going after a veteran quarterback at this

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Speaker 1: when he thinks they're gonna stick with what they got,

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Speaker 1: whether that's just talk or not. And then there was

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Speaker 1: a story that came out of Cleveland by Jake Trotter

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Speaker 1: kind of going over some of the stuff that that's

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Speaker 1: that's transpired here in the Baker Mayfield situation and some

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Speaker 1: teammates taken some some shots at him, of course anonymously,

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Speaker 1: some former teammates or former teammates. However, you want to

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Speaker 1: look at that, and including one of them saying when

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Speaker 1: when when they When he was asked why nobody came

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Speaker 1: to Baker's defense on the whole uh situation with with

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Speaker 1: when Odell Beckham's father put out the video, right, he said,

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Speaker 1: did did you watch the video and the and the

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Speaker 1: player said no, I see it every day in practice. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 1: There was also Mayfield's camp perhaps saying, and I'm assuming

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Speaker 1: this came from the agent, that they felt that the

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Speaker 1: Browns coaching staff set Mayfield up to look bad in

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Speaker 1: the game against the Steelers at the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: Um to make it easier to move on from him.

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Speaker 1: There's just a lot of stuff going on there with that.

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Speaker 1: That one seems a little bit involves the Steels. I

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Speaker 1: think Mayfield looked bad in that game because the Steelers

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Speaker 1: made him look bad. They've done a yeoman's work against

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Speaker 1: Mayfield and have him totally figured out. And I I'm

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Speaker 1: not a Mayfield guy. We'll talk about itim a lot, right,

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Speaker 1: I have to throw out there he did play through

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Speaker 1: a lot of injuries last year, but there's no there's

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Speaker 1: no questioning he's a tough guy. Yeah, but if you're

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Speaker 1: between the white lines, that's all we can judge is

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Speaker 1: the tape you put out there, not why and all

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Speaker 1: those things. Um I saw. I forget who it was.

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Speaker 1: It was. One of the big time insiders did some

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Speaker 1: predictions today and one of them was Mayfield won't return

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Speaker 1: to the Browns, but they'll probably have to eat at

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Speaker 1: least twelve million of his his uh contract. I mean

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Speaker 1: that was part. I assumed that the whole the whole time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this was happening, and I thought that might even be

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Speaker 1: light at this stage. You know, Mayfield go somewhere for

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Speaker 1: a seventh round pick, and will we eat fifteen of

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Speaker 1: the twenty or fourteen of the twenty? You know, So

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Speaker 1: there's that. Um. I don't know Baker Mayfield, I don't

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Speaker 1: know Carson Wentz, but I do think from studying these

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Speaker 1: guys from far, a major problem and a lesson to

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Speaker 1: future NFL quarterbacks and young pups out there is Mayfield

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Speaker 1: and Wentz never seemed to think it's their fault, and

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Speaker 1: they even say it in public. It's never you got

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Speaker 1: sacked a hundred times today and the quarterback still comes

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Speaker 1: out and be like, yeah, it could have been better.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's my fault, Like it's it's always feel

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Speaker 1: bad for me. You know, why are people helping me? Well,

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Speaker 1: the answers are because they don't want to go to

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Speaker 1: war with you. You know, they don't respect you the

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Speaker 1: same way. I mean, you, Carson, you won't get a vaccination,

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Speaker 1: and but we're giving you thirty million a year and

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Speaker 1: leading the team. I mean, and you never come out

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Speaker 1: lot of that with Mayfield too that you know, I've

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Speaker 1: understand that he was a walk on and as a

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Speaker 1: self made guy, and many athletes in today's NFL play

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Speaker 1: that I get no respect Rodney dangerfield card and it

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Speaker 1: fuels him. I mean, but nobody cares anymore. You were

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Speaker 1: times have changed. So that ship is sailed, brother. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there airs his stats against the Steelers. He started seven

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Speaker 1: games against the Ravens, teams that have studied him year

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Speaker 1: in his seven games inst the Steelers, he completed fifty

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Speaker 1: and they've they've sacked him ten times. Wow, all right, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean he's the Steelers have sacked him nineteen more

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Speaker 1: but that's mind boggling. During that stretch, there has not

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Speaker 1: been a better pass rushing team in the NFL than

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Speaker 1: the Steelers, without question. But let's also and Baker was

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Speaker 1: the first overall because he went to a very bad team.

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Speaker 1: But for much of that stretch, he has played behind

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Speaker 1: back to the argument that we often have the quarter

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Speaker 1: any basis in fact, they's number. Why do they want them?

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Speaker 1: They want to play against him with them? Right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they want they want to They want the Ravens or

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Speaker 1: somebody to sign him. His numbers against. Since I just

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Speaker 1: he's completed fifty eight point four percent of his passes

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Speaker 1: Ten sacks, I mean, that's about the eighty three point

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Speaker 1: it's the low end. Now against the Bengals in seven games,

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Speaker 1: Washington one seventeen point three, but he's only played them

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Speaker 1: he's only played them once, one of one of four.

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Speaker 1: He eats up bad defenses. Yeah, all right, that's what

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Speaker 1: he does because he is an average NFL quarterback. We're

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Speaker 1: slightly below average. And may you look at starters, but

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Speaker 1: I mean you see he's twenty on the starter list

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Speaker 1: Why is it so starkly favor the Steelers over him?

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Speaker 1: First of all? And this isn't exclusive the Steelers, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Ravens are great coaching staff too. I'm sure Tomlin

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Speaker 1: and the defensive staff's file on Mayfield is dead on

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Speaker 1: let him go to his to make it force him

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Speaker 1: I bet he'd rather play against DJ Reader than to it,

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Speaker 1: able to overcome him. Mayfield's not athletic or quick footed

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Speaker 1: enough to do it. And to your point, when things

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Speaker 1: Like so the Steelers are his nemesis for long interior

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Speaker 1: pass rushers cam into it and the place he goes

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Speaker 1: is towards the best player in the league over there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I you know, to me, like when I was

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna over guard him. He's I'm gonna force him

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Speaker 1: I'm looking here at his quarter splits first quarter eighty

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Speaker 1: working early. Yeah, second quarter point four His thirty nine

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Speaker 1: third quarter sixteen touchdowns, five interceptions, one passer rating in

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Speaker 1: I don't have a great reason for that. I don't

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Speaker 1: I also think that again, what's our favorite way of

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Speaker 1: I can't ever stop thinking about. For the majority of

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Speaker 1: Mayfield's career, the Browns were the most expensive offense in

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Speaker 1: You know, like they're telling you, we gotta put everything

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Speaker 1: around this guy. We gotta pay for Lyneman. And where

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Speaker 1: I'm going with that too is running the ball and

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Speaker 1: play action were the foundation. You know, Nick Trump a

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter they're starting to play from behind. They're

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Speaker 1: you can play Brown's football through three quarters, they're hard

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Speaker 1: to play against and Mayfield will pull it down, you know,

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Speaker 1: make the play action throw, hitting the joku over the middle,

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Speaker 1: fourth quarters they're winning and he can still do that,

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Speaker 1: but I'm sure one that they're losing and Baker, now

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Speaker 1: You gotta be the locomotive of the offense. Hasn't worked.

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Speaker 1: uh career passer rating on play action is one oh nine.

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