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Speaker 1: We are rolling on the Tuesday edition of the program.

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Speaker 1: I had to think there for a minute. Always our

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Speaker 1: Tuesday edition, I got you, I got you? Who always

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Speaker 1: good to get the day right right out of the

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Speaker 1: jump buck and I have already done one interview this

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Speaker 1: morning as we are promoting the continued growth of the show.

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Speaker 1: We got some good news coming for you on the

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Speaker 1: growth of the show in the near future, which maybe

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Speaker 1: should just go ahead and tell you, but we'll see.

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Speaker 1: So we are continuing to track everything going on in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: Whoopy Goldberg has interesting takes, of course he does, and

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Speaker 1: by interesting I mean absolutely insane, and the rhetoric has

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Speaker 1: been taken to a completely absurd level as the fallout

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Speaker 1: of Minneapolis continues, plus lead story lots of different places

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Speaker 1: out there. There is a social media lawsuit that is

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Speaker 1: alleging that basically social media companies have been rigging the

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Speaker 1: that people's brains work go figure in a way that's

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Speaker 1: not dissimilar to cigarettes. And I'm curious what people's reaction

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Speaker 1: to all of that is. We may have a big,

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Speaker 1: broad based discussion on that. As I see that lawsuit

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Speaker 1: starting and it is one of the top stories across

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Speaker 1: the board. But right now, the ongoing battle that is

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Speaker 1: being fought is what is going to happen in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: as Minneapolis has emerged as the foremost opposition to the

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Speaker 1: Trump two point zero agenda, and President Trump, just talking

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Speaker 1: with the media this morning, had this to say about

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Speaker 1: may Or Fry and Governor Walls and the conversations he

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Speaker 1: has had with both.

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Speaker 2: Let's play cut one.

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Speaker 3: They had two very good talks. I had Jacob Prye

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Speaker 3: and I had Gonor, and I mean, they were great calls.

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Speaker 3: So let's see how they reported. But they were very

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Speaker 3: nice calls, very respectful. What we need is there criminals.

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Speaker 3: You know they have criminals. And all I said, just

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Speaker 3: give us your criminals. And if you give us the criminals,

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Speaker 3: it all goes away. They're there to pick up murders.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw it, but it was

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Speaker 3: a couple of days ago announced that crime is the

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Speaker 3: of our country. That's a big statement. That's because of us.

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Speaker 3: That's because we go into cities and towns usually were

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Speaker 3: Pritz gurn with the mayor, the mayor of Chicago, low

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Speaker 2: Okay Bock.

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Speaker 1: So this is the argument that I think the White

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Speaker 1: House should pivot to. And I give Trump credit for

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Speaker 1: some kind of intuiting it. To me, the fact that

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Speaker 1: we are at one hundred and twenty five year violent

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Speaker 1: hundred percent secure and we have begun to kick out

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Speaker 1: violent criminals is not coincidental. So if you want this

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Speaker 1: I think linking the one hundred and twenty five year

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Speaker 1: I think we need more of it.

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Speaker 4: Look, the initial messaging and we didn't address this much

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Speaker 4: yesterday from DHS director or Secretary Gnome was bad. It

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Speaker 4: was not the right stuff to say about the situation

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Speaker 4: You have to get the comms right on this stuff.

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Speaker 4: You cannot give the other side real opportunity to point

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Speaker 4: And unfortunately, and I think this is why there's a

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Speaker 4: the GNOME statements were they were bad, they were wrong,

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Speaker 4: and they were not wise things to say at that time.

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Speaker 4: By the way, I'm not passing judgment one way or

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Speaker 4: Pretty that is that's his name, right, Pretty Is. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm not passing judgment on them. I am saying the

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Speaker 4: higher ups, and specifically the the the head of DHS, Nome,

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Speaker 4: And I think that it's because Secretary Nome to this

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Speaker 4: for the administration that has resulted. I think in this

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Speaker 4: I believe this is an absolutely critical moment. This is

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Speaker 4: And you even have this, judge, I'm sure you saw this, Clay.

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Speaker 4: A judge Patrick Schlitz has called for the head of

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Speaker 4: and I don't like what's you know, the delay in

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Speaker 4: we cannot negotiate with domestic terrorists. We cannot cave to

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Speaker 4: sabotage operations. We cannot allow the resistance judiciary to subvert

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Speaker 4: federal policy. And Clay, I'm very concerned that people are

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to happen, and it's going to happen

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Speaker 1: And that is where it becomes politically more challenging, because

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Speaker 1: the record. How many illegal immigrants is okay?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: I mean to me, that's really what the debate is over,

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Speaker 1: And this is also maybe we should get Gurdusky on

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Speaker 2: Buck, the real battle. If you're like, why is.

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Speaker 4: This really going on?

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Speaker 1: What's really the stakes here, it's the twenty thirty census.

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Speaker 1: The more and more I look at this, the more

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Speaker 1: In twenty thirty, Democrats are facing a truly existential crisis

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Speaker 1: order to be elected president, Democrats are going to have

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Speaker 1: really I think what this battle is about because the

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Speaker 1: They need these illegal immigrants to be counted in the

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Speaker 2: Seats in twenty thirty. That's the story here to me.

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Speaker 4: Well, also, this is going to put an end to

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Speaker 4: generationally as we see in Somalis in Minneapolis, dependent on welfare,

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Speaker 4: the largesse of the state, the transfer of wealth, and

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Speaker 4: they really just disintegrate our political union. I mean, over time,

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Speaker 4: this ceases to be a country. It's an economic zone.

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Speaker 4: It's a welfare ward to a soup kitchen for the world.

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Speaker 4: And that's what they want, because then you have the

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Speaker 2: Yep?

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Speaker 4: And that stuff is taken from all of you, by

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Speaker 4: And Democrats don't have a way of explaining this clay

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Speaker 4: that is better than what we are seeing right now.

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Speaker 4: So that is why they want the violence in the

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Speaker 4: streets in Minneapolis. They want to pretend it's the Gestapo.

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Speaker 4: They have to emotionalize the issue because ultimately, what they've

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court, if you told me right now, Clay,

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Speaker 1: we need a Supreme Court ruling on whether congressional seats

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Speaker 1: should count illegal immigrants for purposes of allocation, because I

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Speaker 4: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. You know, we had

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Speaker 4: President Trump is talking live to reporters as he heads.

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Speaker 6: Look, I think we need laws to ben ar fifteen.

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Speaker 4: I'm a Trey. That is not helpful. That is not

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Speaker 4: where we are. I'm seeing people that are saying, well,

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Speaker 4: if you believe in the Second Amendment, then you think

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Speaker 4: it's fine to bring Okay, well, hold on a second, yeah,

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Speaker 4: because a lot of us believe very strong in the

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Speaker 4: Second Amendment. As I said to you, there are and

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Speaker 4: this is very state to state, But people are saying, well,

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Speaker 4: he didn't brandish, okay. And I'm not saying that the

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Speaker 4: guy deserved to be shot. I'm just talking about the

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Speaker 4: totality of the circumstances here and the reality of any

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Speaker 4: culpability of an accident, an accidental you know, shooting situation here,

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Speaker 4: or rather a you know, mistake of being under threat

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Speaker 4: from shots going a shot going off. If I get

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Speaker 4: into an argument with somebody who pulls me over, or

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Speaker 4: rather you who cuts me off in the street, and

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Speaker 4: then I say, you know what I'm gonna pull. I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna then cut them off, and I'm gonna make sure

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Speaker 4: that I have my gun in my waistband. Then i'm

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Speaker 4: gonna get out of my car and i'm gonna confront them.

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Speaker 4: All that will be taken into account if I end

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Speaker 4: up using that firearm. Bringing a gun to a situation

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Speaker 4: where you are expecting physical confrontation with officers, this is

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Speaker 4: why the broken rip thing matters so much. This is

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Speaker 4: why the totality matters. Bringing a gun with you when

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Speaker 4: you are expecting to wrestle cops is inciting and it

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Speaker 4: is insane, all right. So I want to hear on

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Speaker 4: these people who suddenly care about the Second amend They

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Speaker 4: don't give a damn about the Second Amendment, by the way.

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Speaker 6: Suddenly they're all all But you can bring guns to

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Speaker 4: Hold on a second, You can bring guns to stand

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Speaker 4: in a protest with your placard, But if you're gonna

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Speaker 4: go wrestle a cop with a gun on your hip,

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Speaker 4: and you know that is your plan, and this guy

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Speaker 4: knew what his plan was, sabotage operation. Not protests you're inciting.

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Speaker 4: You're trying to create a confrontation that is inherently going

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Speaker 4: to be dangerous and lethal because you brought a non

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Speaker 4: law enforcement owned firearm into that scuffle. It's a very

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Speaker 4: bad idea.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And there is a difference between something you can

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Speaker 1: have the legal right to do and something that is

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Speaker 1: intelligent to do, and that distinction is an important one.

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Speaker 1: You can have the right to do a lot of

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Speaker 1: things that are actually when you look at the specifics

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Speaker 1: of them, moronic. And again I think this is really

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Speaker 1: important the CNN revelation, because if you know, if you

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Speaker 1: know that you have already been tackled by ICE agents

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Speaker 1: because you're trying to obstruct their ability to do their job,

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Speaker 1: and then you bring a loaded handgun to another incident

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Speaker 1: where you're trying to obstruct the ICE agents. And Buck, remember,

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Speaker 1: he interjected himself into this situation too, because they were trying.

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Speaker 1: My understanding based on looking at the videos is they

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Speaker 1: were trying to arrest a woman and he decided to

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Speaker 1: come in and try to in some way. It looks

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Speaker 1: like make their arrest of that woman more difficult. If

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Speaker 1: you knew you were armed, and you were reasonably rationally intelligent,

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Speaker 1: why in the world would you get into a wrestling

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Speaker 1: match in any way with ICE agents. This guy was

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Speaker 1: not only trying to obstruct ICE from doing their job,

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Speaker 1: he was making a very poor choice that unfortunately led

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Speaker 1: to his death. I'll be honest with you, Buck, and

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Speaker 1: I bet most people out there agree with me. If

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Speaker 1: this guy didn't have a gun and he engaged in

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Speaker 1: the exact same behavior, he would still be alive today.

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Speaker 1: They would not have shot him. I think there's almost

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Speaker 1: a zero percent chance that he would have died if

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Speaker 1: he had done the exact same thing and he just

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Speaker 1: hadn't had a gun on his body. Now, it's unfortunate

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Speaker 1: because it looks like maybe there was an accidental discharge.

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Speaker 1: Maybe these these ice agents then panic as.

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Speaker 4: Accidental or negligent, depending I mean, I think it's more

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Speaker 4: likely negligent. Yeah, some form.

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Speaker 1: Or fashion a gunshot went off and that led to

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Speaker 1: it appears based on these these details. So if he

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Speaker 1: hadn't had the gun, maybe he didn't have the gun

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Speaker 1: probably when he got tackled the first time and got

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Speaker 1: a broken rib, because I think probably they would have

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Speaker 1: arrested him if they had seen he unformed at that time.

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Speaker 4: At some level, Clay at some point this just turns

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Speaker 4: into a different version of a similar moral calculation to

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Speaker 4: Hamas putting all of their command centers under hospitals in schools,

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Speaker 4: and Israeli's the idea af doing everything they can not

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Speaker 4: to blow up a hospital or school, but they also

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Speaker 4: can allow Hamasta keep firing rockets from those locations, and

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Speaker 4: then eventually Hamas gets what they want, which is a

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Speaker 4: building is hit that they don't mean to, and there

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Speaker 4: are some civilians who are killed, and that is tragic,

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Speaker 4: and they.

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Speaker 6: Go, look at how evil they are.

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Speaker 4: That is iceman, I mean anti ice maniacs running into

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Speaker 4: these guys causing all this mayhem with their rape whistles,

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Speaker 4: and you know, wanting to get pepper sprayed and then

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Speaker 4: flip Clay. I've seen this the routine before they run.

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Speaker 6: If the cops, oh, you're so terrible.

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Speaker 4: The cops pepper sprayed them, They're like, what did they

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Speaker 4: do to me? And they're flopping around on the ground, and.

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Speaker 6: The videos, oh, I'm just the protester.

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Speaker 4: I've seen this routine.

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Speaker 6: Enough is enough.

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Speaker 4: But Clay, the Trump team, they gotta hold the line

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Speaker 4: on this. I'm telling you right now. If they do

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Speaker 4: not hold the line, we are going to look back

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Speaker 4: on this as the breakthrough moment for the for the

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Speaker 4: demonic left. It's very bad. I you know, Trump and

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Speaker 4: the team. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: If you're listening, you should be listening. Do not break

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Speaker 1: on this. Cut twenty seven. This just happened. Trump specifically

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Speaker 1: asked about an investigation into the shooting. We'll play this

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Speaker 1: then we'll maybe play a couple of more cuts, but

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Speaker 1: let's play this before we go to the break here.

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Speaker 2: Cut twenty seven him, well, you know what, I'm doing.

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Speaker 3: A big investigation. I want to investigation. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 3: watching Augury. I want a very honorable and honest investigation.

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Speaker 3: I have to see it.

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Speaker 7: But down.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's a little bit hard mean.

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Speaker 1: He said he wants an honorable investigation that he and

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Speaker 1: Christy Nome is not going to be stepping down. We'll

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Speaker 4: Clay is about how they make people nuts, how do

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Speaker 4: respect it. Clay. You've written like four books, right, this

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Speaker 2: It's a look. I writing a book.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, this is not a money thing. It's

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Speaker 4: Kevin and Iowa Clay, I think you're like this one.

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Speaker 4: This isn't non there are rules. I'm not sure if

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Speaker 4: it was intentional, but I loved your big Lebowski reference.

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Speaker 4: Of course it was intentional. Clay got a big smile.

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Speaker 4: That was our slipped in movie reference of the day,

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Speaker 4: which we're always going to try to do.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be trying to do that. Have fun.

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Speaker 1: Look, there's a lot of battles to fight, but we're

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Speaker 1: going to try to create a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Gotta pay attention.

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Speaker 1: You never know when you might get a under the

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Speaker 1: radar movie reference.

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Speaker 7: Hey, gentlemen, Hey guys, listen. Thanks to a Facebook memory,

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Speaker 7: I know that I've been on a Trump train since

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Speaker 7: December seventh, twenty fifteen. But if they given one inch

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Speaker 7: to this plangent chorus of losers and purple headed knuckleheads,

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Speaker 7: I'm going to take my Maga hat and I'm going

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Speaker 7: to put it in a drawer. And I never dreamt

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Speaker 7: I would call this wonderful show to say that I

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Speaker 7: am the greatest caller in the history of the Rush

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Speaker 7: Limbas Show. I have been with this thing since the beginning.

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Speaker 7: I was first elected College Republican president in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 7: I'm a Republican all the way. But he's about to

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Speaker 7: lose me.

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Speaker 4: Well, don't don't quit on him yet.

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Speaker 2: I Trump.

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Speaker 4: Don't ever bet against Trump on this one play. I

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Speaker 4: think he's going to come through. But we'll talk about

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Speaker 4: this more