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Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Law with June Brusso from Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia financed Live Golf, and its feud with the

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Speaker 1: PGA tour has divided fans, tested players, allegiances, and sparked

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Speaker 1: legal battles. Live critics have argued that Saudi Arabia is

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Speaker 1: using its splashy golf events to sportswash the Kingdom's human

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Speaker 1: rights abuses. Phil Nicholson addressed the media about his decision

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Speaker 1: to join Live Golf at a press conference in June.

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Speaker 1: I don't condone human rights violations. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: I can be anymore clear. I understand your question, um,

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Speaker 1: but again, I love this game of golf. I've seen

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Speaker 1: the good that it's done, and I see the opportunity

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Speaker 1: for live golf too, do a lot of good for

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Speaker 1: the game throughout the world, and I'm excited to be

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Speaker 1: about a part of this opportunity. And the antitrust clash

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Speaker 1: between Live and the p G A is a long

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Speaker 1: way from resolution. Joining me is Martini dal co chair

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Speaker 1: of the Sports law practice at Gholston and Stores, an

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Speaker 1: instructor at Columbia Law School, is at the stage for

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Speaker 1: us Marty about the clash between the l I V

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Speaker 1: and the p g A. For years, the p g

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Speaker 1: A has been the principal golfing association among golf professionals.

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Speaker 1: There are satellite groups such as a European Tour and

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Speaker 1: an Asian Tour, which commands some attention, but the big

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Speaker 1: dollars are in the p g A and the tournaments

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Speaker 1: that its sponsors and tends to co host. More recently,

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Speaker 1: a Saudi wealth fund formed a new tour called Live

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Speaker 1: or l i V, in which it paid, in some

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Speaker 1: cases tens of millions of dollars to particular golfers to

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Speaker 1: join the tour and give it publicity. The p g

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Speaker 1: A found this to be an existential threat to the

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Speaker 1: p PA's existence and initially banned golfers who signed up

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Speaker 1: for the Live tour from participating in the PGA tours,

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Speaker 1: and then was able to talk to some of its associates,

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Speaker 1: such as the Master's Committee. PGA does not run the

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Speaker 1: Master's event that's run by the Master's Group in Georgia

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Speaker 1: about also banning lived golfers live licensed golfers from participating

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Speaker 1: in the Masters. This came to a head I guess

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Speaker 1: who was in August of this year, where a number

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Speaker 1: of the golfers who signed up for the Live Tour,

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Speaker 1: Phil Nicholson, Brian de Shambro, and several others commenced an

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Speaker 1: action in California and Federal Court in California to enjoin

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Speaker 1: the PGA from its practices using the cudgel of the

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Speaker 1: United States anti trust laws and sort of ainary injunction.

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Speaker 1: The court in August denied the Live golfers the preliminary injunction,

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Speaker 1: finding plausibly on the record. I might add that there

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Speaker 1: was no irreparable harm to those golfers for not participating

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Speaker 1: or from being barred from participating in the PGA Tour,

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Speaker 1: because they were making more than enough money from the

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Speaker 1: Live Tour to more than compensate them for potential loss

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Speaker 1: of earnings from the PGA Tour. Since that time, most

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Speaker 1: of the individual golfers have dropped out of the lawsuit,

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Speaker 1: including Michelson. The Live Tour itself has joined in the lawsuit,

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Speaker 1: and it's tending to now to become a battle of

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Speaker 1: the p G A against the Live Tour. Possibly the

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Speaker 1: Saudi Wealth Fund will be drawn into it as a

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Speaker 1: direct party, but that's not clear yet, and it's challenging

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Speaker 1: the rules. Whether the p g A is a monopoly

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Speaker 1: which dictates membership and the ability to participate, and going

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Speaker 1: against that is whether or not it's reasonable what the

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Speaker 1: PA does. One of the objections to the Live Tour

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Speaker 1: is that it's under the auspices sponsored however you want

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Speaker 1: to say it, by the saudiast and there is a

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Speaker 1: demonstrated history of human rights abuses by Saudi Arabia that

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Speaker 1: doesn't enter into the legal analysis, does it the background

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Speaker 1: of you know where the money comes from? Well, it

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Speaker 1: does in the following way June. So most of the

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Speaker 1: anti trust law claims right now are adjudicated under what's

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Speaker 1: called a rule of reason. That is, you balance the

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Speaker 1: pro competitive benefits against the anti competitive harm in a

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Speaker 1: relevant market and determine whether or not there's a violation

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Speaker 1: of the anti trust laws. So if the p g

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Speaker 1: they will lose sponsors by enabling golfers who participate in

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Speaker 1: a tour that is sponsored by Saudi Arabia. That may

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Speaker 1: become a reasonable reason for them to bar those golfers

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Speaker 1: as an antitrust matter. The fact that this is a

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Speaker 1: foreign owned enterprise, does that enter into it. Probably not,

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Speaker 1: If we're solely on foreign ground, that would be a

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Speaker 1: significant a factor. Aren't you allowed to have membership organizations

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Speaker 1: exclusionary is that for others who may have otherwise an

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Speaker 1: to opportunities for compensation for all, let's say members of

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Speaker 1: Are professional golfers a relevant market in the United States.

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Speaker 1: Are they being exclude it from participating unreasonably in what's

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Speaker 1: Changing topics, but still staying on sports, the Super Bowls

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Speaker 1: coming up, So let's take a legal look at football

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Speaker 1: and other team sports. The racial discrimination lawsuit by Brian

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Speaker 1: over the season. What legal issues do you see regarding discrimination,

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Speaker 1: both racial and gender in professional team sports. There have

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Speaker 1: been three real problems that have surfaced in which are

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Speaker 1: likely to recur. One is in hiring. So you had

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Speaker 1: and I think it was offensive coordinators and quarterback coaches

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to focus on the head coaches rather

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Speaker 1: I think they're up to two or three out of

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Speaker 1: reflect more the demographics of who the players are. Fifty

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Speaker 1: seems anomalous in this day and age as to why

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Speaker 1: being hired. They're certainly competent out there, but they're not

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Speaker 1: second thread is gender discrimination, which continues to rear its

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Speaker 1: lack of hiring of women in positions of authority, president, general, manager,

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Speaker 1: coaching positions, and the second is discrimination and harassment frankly

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Speaker 1: the owners against employees. The third threat, of course, is

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Speaker 1: statements statements by athletes. So we had Kyrie Irving's statement

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Speaker 1: endorsing a movie which had anti semitic I was going

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Speaker 1: and he did, including undergoing some training and some sensitivity training,

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Speaker 1: which is frankly helpful for lots of people, not only athletes.

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Speaker 1: But those are the three threads racial lengender discrimination in

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Speaker 1: professional sports. Those seem like systemic issues that are deep

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Speaker 1: do you deal with that? Well, I think transparency is

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Speaker 1: a great way of resolving matters. So the more of

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Speaker 1: the Kyrie Irving situation tends to be more of a

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Speaker 1: And maybe bringing to the four situations like Mr. Flores's

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Speaker 1: the nature of the problem is. Boycotts are an effective

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Speaker 1: There are some companies out there, corporate sponsors who will

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Speaker 1: positive workplace models in effect to remediate against discrimination or

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Speaker 1: have a pocketbook effect, they may be more receptive to change.

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Speaker 1: And we saw that with the examples of particularly with

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Speaker 1: outcome will be with the Commanders yet, although Mr Snyder

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Speaker 1: Martini dal of Gulston and Stores. Marty. Let's turn to

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Speaker 1: a different sports law topic. For more than a century,

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Speaker 1: plaques and trophies were the only things that college athletes

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Speaker 1: the court. That changed in one after a Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: have the right to make money from their names, images

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Speaker 1: and likenesses. So how is it working out? It depends

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Speaker 1: on whom you talk to. So Marty star college athletes

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Speaker 1: as advertisers or sponsors, the use of their name, image

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Speaker 1: and likeness and make several hundred thousand dollars per year.

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Speaker 1: This is the rare athlete. It is the well known athlete,

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Marty for that toured to force on

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Speaker 1: to promote Fox's interest to get access to broadcast rights

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00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: including eighteen and two World Cup tournaments. Why didn't the

437
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: prosecution charge Fox as well. If they got all this money,

438
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: they got it from somewhere. The individuals who are the

439
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: ones that allegedly corrupted the process, So they are the

440
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: individual not the company. People remember recent trial of the

441
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: Trump for organization, right a few entities the Trump Trump

442
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: Corporation and Trump Hayroll Corporation. They were the only two charged,

443
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: and everyone was shaking their heads and saying, what happened

444
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: to the fosses of the Trump org that didn't go

445
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: on trial? We had only got the CFO on that case,

446
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: Allen wissle Burke, who played guilty. Well, this case involves

447
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: the two executives who allegedly paid those brides. So they're

448
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: on trial. And there's also a company called Full Play

449
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: which is accused of paying bride. That's the third defendant

450
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: on trial and the second piefa trial. They're accused of

451
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: helping facilitate the bribes for broadcast rights. The defense, some

452
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: of the defense is revenge. They built their case on

453
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: the back of a bad guy. Tell me about that. Yeah,

454
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: the government star witnesses been on the stand and his

455
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: name is Alejandro Furzaco, and he's an Argentine businessman who

456
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: used to be a City group banker and did venture

457
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: capital deals in New York and he went home to

458
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: Argentina and started working for he deals down there for

459
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: the bank and then eventually joined a Latin American sports

460
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: marketing company called Orneos. And it turns out that the

461
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: man who working for and working with was allegedly paying

462
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: broad to soccer bosses for broadcast right, and that's how

463
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: he got embroiled in the process after his former colleague

464
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: at Stortare became ill and died. So he's on the

465
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: stand and the defense is making hay of him because

466
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: they alleged that he's only basically implicating the two defendants

467
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: from Fox as revenge. They claimed he's the mastermind of

468
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: the soccer bribery scheme, got them. They're just victims and

469
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: he's only implicating him. He's quite a witness. His fantastic

470
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: memory as very vivid in his recollections as well as

471
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: thora in his descriptions of bribes and discussions. And he

472
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: was the star witness in the last trial as well. Yeah,

473
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: he was. He was the subject of the very dramatic

474
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: incident that happened at the last trial. There were three

475
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: soccer bosses from Latin Americans, and these three defendants represented

476
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: American soccer conferences and they were accused of accepting the

477
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: broad and alahamdro Versaca was the guy that was allegedly

478
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: paying a broad through company, and he described suddenly he's

479
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: on the stand, and it was a very dramatic story

480
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: because he was at the hotel in Switzerland when they

481
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: had the raid where they arrested everybody, but he missed

482
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: the early morning breakfast. I think it founded like he

483
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: had a meeting outside of the hotel and he arrived

484
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: to the hotel dining room to find chaos and wives

485
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: crying and sobbing that their husbands had been carried away.

486
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: He eventually contacts the US law enforcement and surrendered and

487
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: began secretly cooperating. So it's quite the dramatic story as

488
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: the man who got away and d became the secret

489
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: government cooperator. He's up on the stand at the last

490
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: trial and he was very emotional because apparently there were

491
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: alleged death threats. The US government claims had had sin

492
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: against him and his family and his life had been

493
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: threatened as well as those in his family in South

494
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 1: America that remained there. And one of the soccer bosses

495
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: on trial, he said had made a gesture that looked

496
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: like litting his throat, like your your head's gonna get

497
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: cut off or they're gonna split your throat, and it

498
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: was a gesture. Later the disense lawyer claimed that it

499
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: was client had itchy skin and and that it hadn't

500
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: been a threat, it was only scratching his neap. The

501
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: judge had a hearing about it and the defendant was

502
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: was chaptized by the Dutch. So he came back as

503
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: a second round as a witness, and he pretty colorful.

504
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: He told us all about the chaos that ensued after

505
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: two soccer bosses. He appeal edges that he did pay

506
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: rise with these two Fox executives. And he was asked

507
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: that there kind of time when he became basically cautious

508
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: about pain. He cried and he said yeah, and around December,

509
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: what happened then, well, apparently, he said, two of the

510
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: FIFA officials that are part of the governing body got

511
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 1: caught on camera, excepting Drive, on a secretly recorded camera

512
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: and articles were written about that. And after that happened,

513
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: he said, there was an uproar and then the FIFA

514
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: executive how their annual meeting or their meeting to decide

515
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: who was going to be named the host country for

516
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: the World Cup. In the two World Cups, and according

517
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 1: to his telling, everyone had expected the US for another

518
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: country to win, anybody but basically Cutter, which was eventually

519
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: selected as the host country. And he said, here it

520
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: was World Cup suppets be that they had no stadium.

521
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: When the US had held the World Cup in ninety four,

522
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: they had had the greatest record attendants ever and they

523
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: had stadiums and capability and infrastruct her And here Cutter

524
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: was in the middle of the desert with a hundred

525
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: and twenty degrees in June and July two and they had,

526
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: you know, no infrastructure. Um, he said it was a

527
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: bit of a joke. And he said it was like

528
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: writing in the sky and in the clouds we are

529
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: open for broad that big soccer officials are broadcasting. So

530
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: it made him nervous, and he told his alleged co

531
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: conspirators where we have to be careful. It sounds from

532
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: the quotations that you have in your story that he

533
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: speaks very well and has great descriptive powers. Yeah, I

534
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: mean he's a good storyteller. The defense has just railed

535
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: at him, and they basically made sound like a sociopath,

536
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: and their opening statements they have scaled as credibility and reliability.

537
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: He has has shown what he is rare in the

538
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: courtroom of I've seen of a cooperator that appears to

539
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: how a tremendous amount of remorse for his crime. Many people,

540
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: when they described and their testimony to minimize their role

541
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: and basically blame everyone else that's not his telling. His

542
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: account is a kind of a fulsome rendition of this

543
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: is what I did, and I did this and did

544
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: the necess by the way, this is what I said

545
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 1: to him, and this is what he said to me,

546
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: and it's pretty thorough um to his ask about there

547
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: is these offshore vehicles that are basically passed through entities

548
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: through which bribes were being paid. And the prosecutor was asking,

549
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: you know, what's this all about? Because oh, he didn't

550
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 1: do anything at all. It didn't do anything else but

551
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: collect money and pay bribe and and and plus he

552
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: has the capacity because he's passionate about soccer. He's very

553
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: knowledgeable about what's in healed. He's Argentine's a great loyalty

554
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: to Argentina is very proud of the country, love soccer,

555
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: and yet you can see as a former banker, he's

556
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: got you know, an extraordinary capacity describe all these financial

557
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 1: transactions and maybe a little much for the jury whore

558
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,479
Speaker 1: you know, every day folks, what kind of a deal

559
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: did he make? He played guilty to rapetarian and a

560
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: host of currents, so he faces some serious times. So

561
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: he's going to have to throw himself on the most

562
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: of the record and to see if he gets some way,

563
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: you know, he gets a lenient sense. Do you know

564
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: which judge is gonna you know, handle us. It's it's

565
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: the same judge who handled the case of the three

566
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: uh soccer bosses that got convicted in the seventeen trial,

567
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: and one of them is still in prison. What else

568
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: does the prosecution have. He's the star witness. What other miting.

569
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: It's a very dense case compared to the other one,

570
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: which was you know, you can tell a tale of

571
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: these guys taking the bribes and it's very colorful with

572
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: secret meetings at gas stations and back room conversations where

573
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: the soccer bosses, you know, one of them, uh, Julio Grondona,

574
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: which who is a you know soccer official and Argentina.

575
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: He was the guy that you know, was basically like

576
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: the god father and he would require people to come

577
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: and kiss his ring basically, So that's kind of got

578
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: the mafia, kind of colorful background to it. This case

579
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: is denser because it's more about the business of actually

580
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: paying the broade through these entities for a company. So

581
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:30,479
Speaker 1: it's a lot more. You know, the other trial had

582
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: great stories of private debts and guys, you know, having

583
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: stack of cash, you know that millions of dollars in cash,

584
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: you know, when we have photographs of all this great stuff,

585
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: the way these guys lived high on high on the

586
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: Hawk with soccer. This is much denser story and trial

587
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: about the business of the fraud. So there's a lot

588
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: of papers, documents. Yeah, there's a lot of contracts and

589
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: this is a this is a shell corporation and what

590
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: is the shell corporation? During well, it's saying it's a transaction,

591
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: but it's really just paper up at an a list

592
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: a bride. So besides saying that this guy's out for revenge,

593
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: what else do you see the defense coming up with. Basically,

594
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: the defense is arguing that these transactions were all orchestrated

595
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: and conducted by Bertaco, and they really aren't responsible, and

596
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: that he's such a sophisticated guy. He hit the scheme

597
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: from them and they were just regular business partners and

598
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: poor Foxy Fox Sports and in Latin America was being

599
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: defrauded by Bursaka. So the two former Fox executives and

600
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: the sports marketing firm are on trial. But I understand

601
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: that each is being represented by more than one attorney.

602
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: Well I counted at least twenty two lawyers inside the courtroom.

603
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: Well the more Really, there are a lot of lawyer.

604
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: There are three descendants and each of them has about

605
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: six lawyers apiece. So it's gonna be with lawyering like that,

606
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: with lots of money to spend, there's going to be

607
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: anything is going to be tried, you know, and everyone's

608
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: going to get their shot at trying to go after

609
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: brusak a, you know, trying to desistate him on cross examination.

610
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: That's scary. That many lawyers, it's stunning, it's stunning. They

611
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: have to reconfigure the courtroom seating just to fit them all.

612
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: Is there a chance that any of the defendants will

613
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: take the stand. I don't think so. I've fired them.

614
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:49,879
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. What was the highlight of Bursako's testimony so far, Well,

615
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: in the last trial, Bursacco described these wild things of

616
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: being in the hotel and money being exchanged, and he

617
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: said that one of the soccer officials that he was

618
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: close with, the guy Julio Grondona, had complained to him

619
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: that basically he claimed he was promised between fifty and

620
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: eighty million from Cutter and that he had been short changed.

621
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: So he was complaining to Bursaco that each of the

622
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: soccer of the FIFA official that had voted for Cutter

623
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: was paid more than a million dollars from Cutter sports

624
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: authorities to award the country the World Cup. And this

625
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: one boss that was the boss of all bosses, that

626
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: was really the kingpin that ran FIFA. He was complaining

627
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: that he was supposed to get more and he felt

628
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: someone had come out here the good quotes. He said, um,

629
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: the risk was much greater. After December twenty there was

630
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,959
Speaker 1: a general surprise, meaning the general surprise that Cutter had won,

631
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: and I think substantially changed the risk of pain bribes

632
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: in the soccer world. He's told the jury. Many expected

633
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: the US or another country to be selected. Countries like

634
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: a Pan Australia had been in the running to host

635
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: the two World Cups, and Bill Clinton was part of

636
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: the delegation that was sent to present the US as

637
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: a potential World Cup and he said everyone was stunned.

638
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: And the reason the US was was thought to be

639
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: a favorite was because apendence records had been broken when

640
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: the country hosted the World Cup. And he goes, how

641
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: can the country compete with no stadiums in the middle

642
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: of the desert and a hundred and twenty degrees Fahrenheim.

643
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: We knew last time, but now we got a little

644
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: more color. And the color for this one was the

645
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: reason why it came up. And this child was because

646
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: he said that the controversy thatd erupted first with the

647
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: bat people getting bags of money on camera caught on camera.

648
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: Those two soccer FIFA officials were not allowed to vote

649
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 1: on whether or not Cutter and Russia because it also

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Speaker 1: these guys, these FIFA boss has got a million dollar

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Speaker 1: The amount of bribery alleged here is just astonishing. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much, Patty. That's Bloomberg Legal reporter Patricia Hurtado, and

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