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Speaker 1: Worrying. Today's episode candad spoilers for episode two of it.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Darry on HBO be worn. Hello it is

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Speaker 1: Jason kispt the own and on Rosey Night, and welcome

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Speaker 1: back to x Ravage of the podcast, where we dive

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Speaker 1: deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture

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Speaker 1: covered by our podcast. We'll bring you three episodes week

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Speaker 1: plus news.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, and the Andy and Farbara Maschetti returned

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Speaker 2: to Derry with New Kids thirty is prior to the

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Speaker 2: events of it. Once again, we are in Welcome to

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Speaker 2: Dairy episode two, and it's still good.

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Speaker 3: Jason and I are going to recap the episode and

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Speaker 3: then of course we will bring in the scream Queen's

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Speaker 3: Common and Joel to join.

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Speaker 1: And discuss Welcome to Darry. Okay, Welcome to Darry Episode two.

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Speaker 1: We open sometime after the events of the movie Theater.

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Speaker 1: Lily wakes up after dreaming about it in her in

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Speaker 1: her bedroom and the events are you know, we don't

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Speaker 1: know how long it's been it's but it's some amount

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Speaker 1: of time, but the events are just as real to

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Speaker 1: her as when they happened. We go to outside Ronnie's

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Speaker 1: house where the cops are posted up. They of course

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Speaker 1: suspect Hank, Ronnie's dad, the projectionist, of committing some kind

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Speaker 1: of crazy crime despite the fact that there are no bodies.

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Speaker 1: There's just like a lot of blood, no no sign

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Speaker 1: of Phil Teddy or Phil's sister, and I guess they

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Speaker 1: don't have the arm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's basically looking bad for all these

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Speaker 2: So that was definitely the arm, just like an illusion

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Speaker 2: penny Wise are really messing.

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Speaker 3: With these kids.

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Speaker 1: So inside the apartment, Hank understand he knows exactly what's

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Speaker 1: going on. They're trying to pin it on him. They're

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Speaker 1: waiting for him to mess up, but of course, like

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Speaker 1: he has an alibi and Lily said that he wasn't there,

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Speaker 1: so it's tense, but he's he's basically playing the calm

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Speaker 1: one because Mama, Ronnie's grandmother, his mother is flipping out,

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Speaker 1: as is Ronnie. They're very worried about this, but he's like, yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 1: don't I'm gonna be fine. Everything's don't worry about it.

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Speaker 1: And Mama is like, why did you let those and

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Speaker 1: honestly a good point, like why did you let the

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Speaker 1: kids into the theater to try and play detective? Like

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Speaker 1: what exactly was that going to do? Anyway? And Hank

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Speaker 1: is like, listen to his daughter and to his mom,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be fine, don't worry about it. Major Hanlin

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Speaker 1: He alludes to the incident the other night where masked

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Speaker 1: doesn't get into the details. He doesn't want to worry them. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: they are getting looks from the neighbors, and that's you know,

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Speaker 1: looks because the black family is in town. Meanwhile, Will

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Speaker 1: Charlotte's advice. Apparently Major Hanlan you know, doesn't understand why

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Speaker 1: that's what he likes. You like at school, we really

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Speaker 1: meet the mean girls now Pattie and the gang of

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Speaker 1: You can tell, like she's a she's climbed higher in

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Speaker 2: Come on, guys, how many times you've gone through that

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Speaker 1: Marge is like, you're ignoring me, But listen, I want

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Speaker 1: So come hang out with us like and rehab your giddings, don't.

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Speaker 3: Hang out with Ronnie, which I mean, March, what the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Lily is like fuck off. Will comes in late

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Speaker 1: major Handlin is a case of racist airman doing a

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Speaker 1: That's so we don't he's not giving up the identities

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Speaker 1: because Ronnie's screaming his sister dream. At a bar, the

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Speaker 1: the major handling incident and how it's you know, this

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Speaker 1: And Dick is like, I was an interviewed and and

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Speaker 1: can we do about it? We have we're working on

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Speaker 1: a defense strategy right now. We are looking for a

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Speaker 1: weapon that instills debilitating fear upon its victims. Yes, oh,

433
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Speaker 1: they are trying to weaponize pity one guys.

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Speaker 3: Oh my dad, Oh my god. Crazy. I love that.

435
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Speaker 2: I guess this is the kind of insane swing that

436
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Speaker 2: we need.

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Speaker 3: Yes, let's be real.

438
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Speaker 2: This is absolutely what the American government would do wise

439
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Speaker 2: was real.

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Speaker 3: So you know what, I love to.

441
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Speaker 1: Say, the government, And you know, we should shoot on

442
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: the American government when they do bad things. Any government would.

443
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Speaker 2: Love to have an evil, scary, debility power.

444
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Speaker 3: And I kind of love how we're learning that.

445
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Speaker 2: Derry Maine is basically now becoming like the supernatural hub

446
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Speaker 2: of America.

447
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Speaker 3: Like they're bringing.

448
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Speaker 2: Their psychics, they're bringing their men without fear, they're bringing

449
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Speaker 2: you know. Sadly, though that was very exciting for us,

450
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: Lily ends up back in Juniper Hill, not exciting for her,

451
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: feeling very bad about that.

452
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Speaker 1: And then yeah, Dick is right. They pull something out

453
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Speaker 1: of the ground and it appears to be like an old Ford,

454
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Speaker 1: like of nineteen twenties, late to mid twenties Ford four

455
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Speaker 1: door that's all shot up. I think it's like a

456
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Speaker 1: kangster car something weird. Yeah, my skeleton's in the car.

457
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Speaker 1: And Dick Karen was like, I'm right.

458
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Speaker 3: He's like, some creepy ass shit is going on here.

459
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Speaker 2: Is that meant to be the same car that the

460
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Speaker 2: kid was pulled into in the first episode at the

461
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Speaker 2: beginning with the family? I think so, I think that

462
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Speaker 2: that's yeah, depending on what timing, I don't know, but yeah,

463
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Speaker 2: I mean I just think another great, really scary episode.

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Speaker 2: This has been a little Halloween treat, and uh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited to come back off to the break.

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Speaker 3: And talk more to the screen queens about it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and we're back.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Okay, let's welcome in the screen queens. A queens

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Speaker 1: Joel and Carmen. Yay, it's good. Let's talk about Uh,

470
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Speaker 1: let's talk about the show. Now we are into episode

471
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Speaker 1: two and the kind of big philosophical conceit of the

472
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Speaker 1: show has been dropped on us and your thoughts. Joel,

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Speaker 1: let's start with you.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, guys, I really love this show. I

475
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 5: didn't know what to expect up top. Uh. We talked

476
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 5: a little bit last week about some of the criticisms

477
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Speaker 5: of the show.

478
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Speaker 1: One of them that.

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Speaker 5: I've seen Freely's like, it's not scary.

480
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Speaker 1: The burst scene.

481
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Speaker 5: Are you out of your mind? Are not only being

482
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Speaker 5: birthed is scary? Be inside is scary? The actual birth

483
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Speaker 5: from outside terrify. But then she tries to lure her

484
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Speaker 5: back in by hurt.

485
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Speaker 6: And Billy Lord.

486
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Speaker 5: I was like, this is the most gnarly, in your

487
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Speaker 5: face show. I had seen that a lot. I don't

488
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Speaker 5: know what HBO's obsession with crazy burths is, but I

489
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Speaker 5: would like to talk to the executive producer who's constantly like,

490
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Speaker 5: what if it was a birth scene?

491
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Speaker 1: What if?

492
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Speaker 3: I do wonder if as well?

493
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Speaker 2: I was reading some Reddit threads about the show and stuff.

494
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: I think the birth stuff made a lot of viewers

495
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Speaker 2: specifically on Reddit.

496
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Speaker 3: You know, mayle viewers, but I'm sure there were many viewers.

497
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Speaker 2: I think that the opening sequence of the first episode,

498
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Speaker 2: with the woman giving birth and seeing the blood, that

499
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: seems to have really made a lot of people uncomfortable

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Speaker 2: and go.

501
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Speaker 3: Oh, this isn't scary.

502
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: Pregnancy happens every day, And I'm like, you guys are crazy.

503
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Speaker 2: Pregnancy scary? I love that's yeah, I love that that's

504
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: a recurring theme here. Common What are your.

505
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Speaker 3: Thoughts post episode two? Yeah?

506
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Speaker 4: I for me, this episode was amazing. Obviously, the pilot

507
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 4: episode did such a great job really hooking us. In

508
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 4: this episode, I loved how they expanded the world, which

509
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 4: is really what the show is all about. We get

510
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 4: to see more of the town and some of the

511
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: dynamics of racism going on in the town, as well

512
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 4: as what these kids are going through. The stakes feel

513
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 4: very real, you know. I ask somebody who I don't

514
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 4: know if I mentioned this last time, I have not

515
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 4: read the Stephen King books on this, but this feels

516
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 4: very like anyone could die at any moment.

517
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Speaker 2: Well, I was going to talk about that, it does

518
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: seem like they killed off a lot of cute kids

519
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: in the first episode because they don't come.

520
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Speaker 4: Back, and they're fat actors too, so it's like, wow,

521
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 4: they've got great They've got even more great actors lined

522
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Speaker 4: up for us.

523
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Speaker 3: So I'm I was.

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Speaker 2: Gonna say, they just keep pulling them out, Like the

525
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Speaker 2: kid is plays Rich great new edition.

526
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Speaker 3: I believe he had a crush on mad Yes, so

527
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Speaker 3: yeah this.

528
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Speaker 4: I thought this episode did a great job expanding the world,

529
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Speaker 4: and of course that of course that childbirth horror sequence.

530
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Speaker 4: Once again, I'm just like, Wow, they're really going for

531
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 4: it with the horror sequences here. I don't understand the

532
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 4: criticisms of the show. To me, it's doing a fantastic

533
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 4: job of being terrifying. It's really giving I said this

534
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 4: last time, but once again it's really giving me a

535
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 4: lot of like Nightmare on Elm Street kind of like.

536
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Freddy Kruze, very Dream Warriors coded Verry.

537
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: That what are the what are the criticisms? I haven't

538
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: read a lot of the pants, but okay, like I

539
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: get the I mean, I get the disappointment in that

540
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Speaker 1: penny Wise is not like in every episode, okay, which

541
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Speaker 1: he shouldn't be.

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Speaker 3: She shouldn't be, we.

543
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Speaker 1: Shouldn't be but that. But I get it if you're

544
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Speaker 1: like a big well clown, like a scary, scary clown person,

545
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: and then you turn it on and you don't see

546
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Speaker 1: penny Wise, like, I kind of get it.

547
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say that I'm on, I'm on the

548
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: old you know, very controversial, but you know, basically the

549
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: monolith of how we look at this stuff now with

550
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Speaker 2: rotten tomatoes.

551
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Speaker 3: And I will say that, honestly.

552
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Speaker 2: It has seventy eight percent from okay critics.

553
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Speaker 3: I think what happened is it looks like it got

554
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Speaker 3: almost twenty.

555
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 2: Rotten reviews, and I think some of those were from

556
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Speaker 2: the top critics, so they were kind of the first

557
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: things coming out. I will also say, though, eighty percent

558
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: average Popcorn Meter, which is your average audience. So I

559
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: think these were more critical pans from people who I

560
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: guess had a lot of expectations of what it would be.

561
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Speaker 3: And also, like I said, probably people who were not

562
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Speaker 3: loving the.

563
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: Pregnancy and birth sequences, the fact that it deals with

564
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Speaker 2: Ray they loved a million Perez.

565
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Speaker 3: So they don't know exactly.

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Speaker 2: So I'll give you an example here we are. This

567
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Speaker 2: is Peter Travers he is a top critic. He was

568
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Speaker 2: at the Rolling Stone now, I guess also the travers take,

569
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Speaker 2: aren't we all getting fired from digital media?

570
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Speaker 3: Me too, guys, I get it.

571
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Speaker 2: So it's a treat to see Bill Scarsgard briefly back

572
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 2: as Pennywise the Psycho clown. But the trick is after

573
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Speaker 2: a grabby start, series bogs down in character deficiencies, pokey pacing,

574
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: uneven acting, and FX that rank the stressingly low on

575
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: the scare meter. Don't agree.

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Speaker 6: Where is he feeling?

577
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Speaker 3: I wonder if maybe? Yeah, I'm interested to see that

578
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: could be? That could be? I would also say, this

579
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Speaker 3: is from the guy at Slate.

580
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: Welcome to Derry isn't so much a further adaptation as

581
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: the novel as a half baked attempt at a prequel,

582
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: an elaborate but vapid work of King fan fiction dumped

583
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Speaker 2: into a landscape already boast. There's no shortage, sure, But

584
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Speaker 2: some of the other more positive ones, like Rob Owen

585
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: at the Pittsburgh Tribune review, he is more in our vibe.

586
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: Nineteen sixties production design.

587
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: Is gorgeous use of period music, not like the supernatural stories.

588
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: But actually the reality of the town.

589
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: Is what is drawing people in like it, and I

590
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: think that's definitely where we stand. So I think what

591
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: really happened is a few big people kind of came

592
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: out early and were like it's not good, and that

593
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: started the conversation. But overall, like Ollie Richard's Empire magazine,

594
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: I love Empire Magazine, he was like a strong return

595
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: to an imperfect horror world. Turns out clowns are still

596
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 2: very upsetting on this small stream.

597
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Speaker 1: I think that's really bad.

598
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's fine.

599
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: It's like it's not gonna be for everyone, but I

600
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: think for us it's really hitting on some big kind

601
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Speaker 2: of points of what we like from horror.

602
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Speaker 1: It certainly might be the case that it gets worse

603
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Speaker 1: from here on out, because it seems like a lot

604
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: of other reviews, we haven't seen the whole thing, so

605
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: maybe that's the case, but but I do yeah, I'll

606
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Speaker 1: be interested to see how like, if it continues, because

607
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: I think it's great, and I do wonder if some

608
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: of the disappointment is not the you know, the the

609
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: fact that like this is. I mean, the heroes are black.

610
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: That's why I was.

611
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 3: The people who are right are black.

612
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Speaker 2: I also say for me, I I do think, Jason,

613
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 2: that you're onto something because I found that the first

614
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: two movies by the Maches, they very much trafficked in like, hey,

615
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: it's the it's the eighties. So everyone's calling each other

616
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 2: a racial slur, everyone's calling each other a queer slur,

617
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,959
Speaker 2: everyone's calling each other Like so maybe if you were

618
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: in maybe you like that kind of storytelling. I feel

619
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Speaker 2: like this is a course correct or an expansion to

620
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Speaker 2: kind of understand that that's not all the world was.

621
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Speaker 2: And maybe people don't enjoy that, but I love the

622
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Speaker 2: kind of social realism, supernatural horror that this is doing.

623
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Speaker 2: Joelle and Carmen after episode two, what are some of

624
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 2: your fun predictions? Because Jason did predict that they were

625
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: going to weaponize Pennywise, which.

626
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Speaker 1: Is hilarious and I love how crazy me too, Like

627
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Speaker 1: take a big sway, Joelle, what do you want to

628
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: see as the show?

629
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Speaker 2: A ball?

630
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 3: So something else?

631
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: Really?

632
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Speaker 5: Marge is a character I'm struggling with, Okay, I think

633
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 5: because insecurity makes me deeply uncomfortable, and desperation makes me

634
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 5: deeply uncomfortable, and Marge has both in spades. She's just

635
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 5: so desperate to be seen and I was very intrigued

636
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 5: by a moment where Rich sees her in the hall

637
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 5: and we get that walk on song slow motion moment,

638
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 5: which was really funny to me. If you guys look

639
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 5: at Marge's eyes, penny Wise pops up, hear me out.

640
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 5: Her glasses have the orange globe glow of Penny Wise.

641
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 5: And who does penny Wise love to go after? Is

642
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 5: it the insecure and the desperate?

643
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 3: It is?

644
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 5: It's the non believers, it sure is. March doesn't believe.

645
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 5: She was like, there's no way there's pound On there.

646
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 3: She was totally She's like, you guys stupid.

647
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,839
Speaker 5: Exactly, and you know, poor poor Rich. Have you ever

648
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 5: seen a kid who's gonna get stuck in the sewers?

649
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 6: More?

650
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 5: No is Rich is gonna die?

651
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: He's the Definitely.

652
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Speaker 5: So I think Marge is going to be the next

653
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Speaker 5: prey for penny Wise. I think that he's going to

654
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 5: I agree.

655
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 3: I like that it's going to be devastating.

656
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Speaker 1: I kind of went another way with Marge in that

657
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: I think she's going to be like the Renfro, you know,

658
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: because she's she is so desperate to please anybody.

659
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 3: Who's so penny Wise could for her soul.

660
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 1: And yes, she's I think she's really that she's going

661
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: to be like the little Pennywise is a little on

662
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: the street assistant. Well, her ghosts are going to be

663
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: more effective the way she like makes fun of people

664
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Speaker 1: and how it even makes the mean girls like un

665
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: comfortable because it's so in there. I think it's he's

666
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: going to power her up.

667
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, because also what she's a white woman, so she

668
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: could use that meanness very quick to stoke anti Ronnie Ferva,

669
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 2: anti Hank Ferv like. I would be interested to see

670
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 2: if he utilizes her in that way and essentially kind

671
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: of makes her like a racial kind of like lightning

672
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 2: Rod for the town.

673
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: Because she definitely isn't afraid of being cruel.

674
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is definitely what Pennywise leans into. Also, Joel,

675
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: could you you know, we talked about the pans and

676
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: kind of the general perception that maybe this isn't as

677
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 2: popular as people are expecting, But Joelle, talk about those numbers,

678
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: because we just got our first numbers and they're pretty crazy.

679
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys, this show in its first three days

680
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 5: is only behind the Last of Us and House of

681
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 5: the Dragon for premiere number. Sure, the HBO Max app

682
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 5: so they debuted at five point seven million across platform.

683
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 5: Most of those were from app viewers, which is really exciting.

684
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 5: So like House of the Dragon did ten million day

685
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 5: one viewers, and then The Last of Us did four

686
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 5: points seven on its first day and then got well

687
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 5: past five points in the following three days. You know,

688
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 5: HBO decided to release episode too early, I think probably

689
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 5: off of the support of those numbers and the fact

690
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 5: that it's Halloween and they were like, let's be the

691
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 5: last horror episode.

692
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Speaker 1: I'm shocked.

693
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 5: I wasn't expecting top three from this show, but it

694
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 5: may be really excited that folks are like leaning into it.

695
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 5: I think the season maybe has something to do with it,

696
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 5: and it'll be interesting to see in the same way

697
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 5: that we saw the Last of Us Season two numbers

698
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 5: you know, start off really high, dropped only gets terrible,

699
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 5: but definitely lower than what HBO wanted. So if they

700
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 5: can sustain here, I think that would be a really

701
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 5: good get for them, especially because they want to turn

702
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 5: this into an entire expanded universe.

703
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Speaker 3: Maybe even grow a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I also did note you guys did a great

705
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: job kind of talking about like just since twenty twenty

706
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 2: Stephen King has adaptations have generated over six hundred and

707
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: fifty million dollars.

708
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 5: Those years are really cashing in coca.

709
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: Was worthy, dude, he said, I remember when when I

710
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: was a kid, right, I read on writing like Stephen

711
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 2: King's book and he was one of the best.

712
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 3: It's one of the best.

713
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 2: But he was like, what you need to do is

714
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: just write two hours a day. And I was like, okay,

715
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: that sounds good. And then as a girl, I was like, oh, well,

716
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 2: it's easy to write two hours a day every day

717
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 2: if you're high on cocaine. That's like a very efficient,

718
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: very efficient. I will say I do want to shout

719
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 2: out as we are fans of the X Men, and

720
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: I will say MGM plus ever heard of them?

721
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 3: Probably not. That's a service that maybe you didn't know existed.

722
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: It's obviously now owned by Amazon, who owned MGM because monopoly.

723
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: But they did a show recently called The Institute that

724
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: is basically like Stephen King's X Men. He wrote the

725
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 2: book more recently and the adaptation is pretty recent. But

726
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 2: I actually found that to be a very enjoyable show,

727
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: way more grounded, but much more in that kind of

728
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: like X Men.

729
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: Space so is it a like a fire Starter.

730
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: It's basically it's basically and the institute from the fire Starter,

731
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 2: but this is more focused on like what would that

732
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: look like if you were a kid who went there.

733
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: So I found it really really good and it's all

734
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 2: out and it got you can binge it and it's.

735
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Speaker 3: A different vibe to Derry, but I found it to be.

736
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is actually pretty good, like

737
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: if this had been on a different network, and the

738
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 2: cast is crazy. The cast is really really good. So yeah,

739
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: there's a lot of good, good Stephen King stuff right now.

740
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: I also love Joelle. You pulled out something that I

741
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: think is really interesting about this series. Could you talk

742
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 2: a little bit about how the scares that the kids

743
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: are getting in this show are actually really about like

744
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 2: horrific stories they've been told, which I think.

745
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 3: Is a really real thing when you are a kid.

746
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, something I've been tracking is like just what is

747
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 5: scaring people? Like where are the scares coming from? And

748
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 5: we've seen a lot most of the violence we've seen

749
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 5: in a did in the show is against children, right

750
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 5: Like we even there's a when the guys are in

751
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 5: the bar chatting, there's somebody comes out playing a bagpipe.

752
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 5: You hear him get like hit, but it's completely off camera.

753
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 5: And I was really intrigued by, like, what are they

754
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 5: choosing to show us and what are they choosing not

755
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 5: to show us? And then I was thinking about the kids,

756
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 5: and like the scares are if we think about the

757
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 5: lamp made of human skin, if we think about the

758
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 5: burst scene, if we think about the dad and.

759
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: The pickle jar, the kids aren't there to observe.

760
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 5: Any of those things. That she sent her dad back

761
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 5: into the factory, so she was on site, but she

762
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 5: didn't observe the death. Obviously, he didn't observe his ancestors

763
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 5: being tortured at a concentration camp, you know. And I

764
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 5: was really fat. And then two, when Ronnie is imagining

765
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 5: her mom, like she humanizes her in such an interesting way.

766
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: All I wanted to do is hold you.

767
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Speaker 5: And I thought about, like Pennywise is always about fear,

768
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 5: but what I think this show has done is really

769
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 5: narrowed in on fears that resonate and have more impacts.

770
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,320
Speaker 5: So like the fear that you're responsible for your mother's

771
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 5: death is so much more impactful than like, say, the

772
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 5: fear of a Paul Bunyan statue, which is, you know,

773
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 5: very valid, kids have irrational fears, and I think it's

774
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 5: great to play up on those. But like for an

775
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 5: extended television show, really leaning into the things that haunt you,

776
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 5: I just think the show's really nailed it here and

777
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 5: I hope we continue to continue to see more of

778
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 5: that going forward.

779
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where I want to lay out. I mean,

780
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: I lay this out before we turn on the mics.

781
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: But you know, as I have spoken about it, you know,

782
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 1: I'm not scared by horror movies. The vast majority of

783
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: her stories and stuff don't scare me at all. And

784
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: here's the reason why. It's in particular, talking about Penny

785
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: Wise and Welcome to Derry and even it back in

786
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: the day, it's to me, it's a positive story. It's actually,

787
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: like you could look, it's okay, it's a positive story

788
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: first of all. Beside but first of all, ghost stories,

789
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: supernatural stories, the Exorcist, you know, demons, it's proof that

790
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: life exists beyond them. Right, So like headline you continue

791
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: to live on, isn't that a good that's good news

792
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: in the context of the fictional reality of this story. Secondarily,

793
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: with Penny Wise and Penny wise is kind of that's right. Well,

794
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 1: and listen, I would quibble with his methods conditions.

795
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole thing, but isn't condone, Jason said, I

796
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 2: do not condone what he's doing.

797
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: It's kind of like therapy in a way because it's saying, Hey,

798
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: here's what you're worried about, here's what you're scared. You

799
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: need to deal with this fear of whatever it is.

800
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: And is that something that we should all take into our.

801
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, when.

802
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 5: The cloud comes, gut her, go meet him, talk to

803
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 5: him directly.

804
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: Face your fears.

805
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 2: Head.

806
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be like, listen, bitch, I'm not scared

807
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: of you. That's scary.

808
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 6: When do you start to feel out?

809
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: That's what it was like. I'm not I'm sleeping. I've

810
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: read the books. Anybody I read the books. I've seen

811
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: the movies.

812
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: I know I'm not scared of you, bitch.

813
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: Go somewhere else. Jason read stories jumped out.

814
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: By the way.

815
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: Guys, Guys, I gotta tell you, Jason is currently dressed up.

816
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 3: As a card. So this is even back, this is

817
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 3: eating I'm scared of the super.

818
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 4: Guy.

819
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Jason, you gotta lay out your biggest theory

820
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 2: about why this is actually a happy story, though, which

821
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: is if Pennywise exists, that proves the existence Jason.

822
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that goes for any story like this.

823
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: It's not even just it the universe and penny Wise

824
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: in particular, but if penny Wise is part of the

825
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: natural world, which and I'm preserving my judgment for when

826
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: they start to bring in the native characters. But like

827
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: I think clearly this is penny Wise is going to

828
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: be some manifestation of like nature, right, but the bad part,

829
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: the target feeds on your fears, et cetera. Then there's

830
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: got to be some sort of balancing because like nature

831
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: is an ecology, it's a highly complex system of like

832
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: checks and balances in nature, and so they're therefore must

833
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: be some equally powerful good version of something out there, right,

834
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: And isn't it? And I think that's a positive story.

835
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: Let's not let the actions of one superdi supernatural individual

836
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: living in the sewers, you know, the image of the

837
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 1: wider supernatural community.

838
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 5: Pennywise, not big penny Wise pocket money being paid to revamp.

839
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm not probe, I'm not pro Pennywise. All I'm saying

840
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: is don't give if you just don't, just don't give

841
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: him what he wants. Don't don't give him.

842
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: What he wants.

843
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 2: I like this, Freddy Krueger Lore. Just tell him you're

844
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: not real, and he will disappear. Okay, let's see how

845
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: that works.

846
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 5: Okay, we will get before we wrap, I'd like to

847
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:48,240
Speaker 5: hear from everyone, who do you think survives? If Pennywise

848
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 5: always leave someone behind to survive to continue on the

849
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 5: story and.

850
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 4: The Lord, I think it's Will, Yeah, it would be Will, right,

851
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 4: it's gonna be well.

852
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 5: I think anyone else survived.

853
00:45:58,880 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 4: He's the historian.

854
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, because if you read the book. I think

855
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 5: our characters, we don't know their futures. You know, there's

856
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 5: there's a lot of characters in here from the Stephen

857
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 5: King universe. They're going to show up later, Okay, But

858
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 5: outside of that, I'm first.

859
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 3: I'm hoping that Ronnie survives.

860
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: That's my final guy. I believe her I Will could

861
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: survive together. I think so, Jason, who's going to survive?

862
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: Fuck?

863
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 3: Do you say Pennywise?

864
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 1: Penny Wise has a long, long career.

865
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 6: He's gonna get a long life ahead of them.

866
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: He's gonna get for at least a few more decades

867
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: in that particular part of the Northeastern Empire. I uh,

868
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: let's see who will survive. I do hope that not

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Speaker 1: just Ronnie, but I hope Lily makes it too. She's

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Speaker 1: had such a tough I agree, I do hope he survives.

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Speaker 3: That would be nice.

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Speaker 1: But I have a feeling that I think that the major,

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Speaker 1: the Major, has to has to die somehow, right, I

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Speaker 1: think that what do we? I think the major is

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Speaker 1: going to be like that. The idea is the general

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Speaker 1: wants the Major to be like the the dog handler holding.

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Speaker 3: The face manywise.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that eventually the Major is going

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Speaker 1: to have to sacrifice himself.

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Speaker 3: Well I would, yeah, I was gonna say.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like, also the notion that yet got rid

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Speaker 2: of his you know, fear, sure, but that didn't get

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Speaker 2: rid of his care for his wife and his kid.

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Speaker 2: Who if Pennywise threatens, is still going to scare him,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, I think there's going

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Speaker 2: to be a lot more uh leeway there than they think.

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Speaker 2: I would love for him to survive, but I could

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Speaker 2: see him being the hero definitely. And also, guys, the

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Speaker 2: interesting thing about the show is no matter who survives.

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Speaker 2: We are not going to follow them because the next

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Speaker 2: sequel is set twenty six years ahead of this or something, right,

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Speaker 2: So I think that's really interesting.

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Speaker 3: Okay, guys, penny Wise meter, what are your odds?

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Speaker 2: What are the percentage that we will see penny Wise

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Speaker 2: is full face next episode episode three?

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Speaker 3: What do you think of eight?

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Speaker 5: No, I think we gotta cook it a little bit longer.

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Speaker 1: I would like somewhere between nine and I think O. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so nine full episodes. I think we see hands or

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Speaker 1: maybe more eyes like wise.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, once I realized they weren't going to give us

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Speaker 4: that in the first episode. Yeah, I think we're gonna

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Speaker 4: probably be episode five before we see him as mine.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I like that. I like that. I mean I

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Speaker 3: think as well.

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Speaker 2: Guys, anyone who complained that maybe you were seeing too

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Speaker 2: much of the Xenomorph and Ali enough and it wasn't

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Speaker 2: really getting up too much. Now you get the teas.

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Speaker 2: Many guys, this is the show of the teas. So

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Speaker 2: don't worry. We're gonna tease penny Wise. Bill Scar's God,

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Speaker 2: he's got that big money deal. They gotta call him back,

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Speaker 2: you know, can't call him back too much. But we

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Speaker 2: love to see him. Yeah, what a fun episode. Can't

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Speaker 2: wait to talk about this more with you guys.

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Speaker 1: On the next episode of extra Vision, we were visiting

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Speaker 1: Classic Star Trek with season one, episode one of Star Trek,

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Speaker 1: the original series. That's it for this episode. X ray

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Speaker 1: Vision is hosted by Jason SEPs Young and Rosie Knight

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Speaker 1: and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

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Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Common Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wag.

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Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kauffman.

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Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and

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Speaker 2: Heidi our discorded moderator.