WEBVTT - The Olympics!

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Scheren, Hi James, I was alarming. Yeah, I went

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<v Speaker 2>into like twenty tens YouTube boys.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, Hi James is excited today I am excited.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always excited to make a podcast, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>love to cast a pod, but today I am especially

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<v Speaker 2>especially with an X like Espresso, the coffee drink. I

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<v Speaker 2>am especially excited to talk to you, Serene, because we

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<v Speaker 2>are talking about a subject which I have wasted far

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<v Speaker 2>too much of my life reading and writing about. What

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<v Speaker 2>are we talking about, Sharen sports? Sports? Olympics. Yeah, sports,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to explain to Sharen sports why they're fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I did too many of them. Okay, we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympics, the Olympic Games specifically. I guess they're happening

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<v Speaker 2>in Paris this year. They may be happening in Paris

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<v Speaker 2>by the time you listen to this. But I'm want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk a little bit about the history of the

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<v Speaker 2>Olympics because I wrote a book about it, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I get to drawing on about it for half an

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<v Speaker 2>hour and you have to listen to me. Where you

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<v Speaker 2>drive your cars to work?

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<v Speaker 1>Cool?

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<v Speaker 2>The mon Olympic Games is it draws links to ancient Greece, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And it does that because at the time that the

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<v Speaker 2>modern Olympic Games in the late nineteenth century were being

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<v Speaker 2>created by a guy called Baron Pierre de Kuberta, the

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<v Speaker 2>aristocracy of Europe were obsessed with drawing links to the

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<v Speaker 2>classical period.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the same time when we see all those

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<v Speaker 2>like neoclassical buildings going up, like people were trying to

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<v Speaker 2>draw links between themselves and the ancient Greeks and to

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<v Speaker 2>sort of posit themselves as the new Greco Roman font

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<v Speaker 2>of civilization.

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<v Speaker 3>And hey, I took our history and I minor to that,

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<v Speaker 3>so I know stuff too.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Yeah, because I did not take our history. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you know more all kinds of stuff about

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<v Speaker 2>like impressionists and shared own understand So if we're looking

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<v Speaker 2>at like to understand the Olympics, we have to understand sport, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And to understand sport, we have to understand play.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was right about sports.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to yeah, no, no, you agree, you're

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<v Speaker 2>right on it. Yeah, but first we do play, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So if we're looking at like kind of the classic

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<v Speaker 2>text on this, it's a book called Homo Ludins. But

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<v Speaker 2>we probably don't need to read that. It's not a banger.

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<v Speaker 2>We very few academic books are bangers. I like to

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<v Speaker 2>think mine's in a sort of semi banger category. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's also overpriced and you shouldn't buy it. Just go

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<v Speaker 2>to your library and get it for free. Play is

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty obvious what play is. But it's the difference

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<v Speaker 2>between play and sport is that sport is bounded. It

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<v Speaker 2>happens in a certain place, within a certain set of rules.

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<v Speaker 2>Play doesn't. So the archetypal kind of example of transitioning

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<v Speaker 2>from play to sport would be folk football in Britain.

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<v Speaker 2>So back in the day, in the place where I

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<v Speaker 2>come from, for holidays, the Saints Days and other days

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<v Speaker 2>when people didn't work, they would have a game of

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<v Speaker 2>football which consisted of a ball inflated pigs bladder or

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<v Speaker 2>a similar similar device, and you have to get it

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<v Speaker 2>from one village into the other village. And those are

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<v Speaker 2>about all the rules, right. Sometimes they had specific rules

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<v Speaker 2>against stabbing. There have been like an outbreak of stabbing incidents,

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<v Speaker 2>but other than that, it was pretty much you do

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<v Speaker 2>what the fuck you wanted, right, You want to go

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<v Speaker 2>on a five mile detour and come around, people come

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<v Speaker 2>in the back way, No problem. You're on a form

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<v Speaker 2>of phalanx of all your mates and just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>go through like a wedge style. Not a problem at all.

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<v Speaker 2>You know you want to start hitting people with sticks, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>not an issue. It was very loose, right, and every

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<v Speaker 2>village or pair of villages that would play had their

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<v Speaker 2>own kind of understanding of the rules. But it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a codified set of rules. They existed across all incidences

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<v Speaker 2>of folk football. And then we go from there to

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<v Speaker 2>association football. Right, that's where soccer comes from. Right, as

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<v Speaker 2>soccer soccer, association becomes assoc us sock becomes our soccer,

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<v Speaker 2>that becomes soccer.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that makes sense kind Yeah, I'm going to say yes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very like nineteenth century posh British effect that

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<v Speaker 2>takes the word association football and comes out with soccer.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's where it comes from. So association football

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<v Speaker 2>codifires the rules. Right, there's a pitch that pitch its

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<v Speaker 2>the same size as a goal. The goal is the

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<v Speaker 2>same size. You can't pick it up now, and from

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<v Speaker 2>that comes rugby football, right, So rugby football is type

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<v Speaker 2>where you pick up the ball. There's a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>founding myth for rugby football that this guy called William

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<v Speaker 2>ware bellis with a glorious disregard for the rules. Quote,

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<v Speaker 2>picked up the ball and ran with it. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>bit weird that, like they've created a founding myth for

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<v Speaker 2>dude who effectively just like sucked at football, so he

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<v Speaker 2>picked it up and ran with it. Like, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem like he deserves a literal statue that he has. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that happened at Rugby School, right, which was one

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<v Speaker 2>of these English boarding schools that existed to prepare young

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<v Speaker 2>men to be officers and administrators in the British Empire.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is really what's the codification of sport as

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<v Speaker 2>far as we can sort of create, like a reason

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<v Speaker 2>for it is to prepare young men and just men

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<v Speaker 2>to be administrators in the British Empire. Right, it's supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to make them physically strong. It's supposed to make them

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<v Speaker 2>obey the rules and learn to do what they're told

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<v Speaker 2>even in stressful situations. Right, it's part of an idea

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<v Speaker 2>called muscular Christianity. And like, as far as we can

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<v Speaker 2>attribute this whole combination of things to one person. It

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<v Speaker 2>would be Thomas Arnold, right, Thomas Arnold being the headmaster

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<v Speaker 2>at Rugby School, and he develops his idea of educating

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<v Speaker 2>young Christian men and doing so using sport as well

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<v Speaker 2>as academia and sports very quickly develop a set of

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<v Speaker 2>rules around amateurism. Amateurism like sometimes we just use amateur

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<v Speaker 2>now to me not very good, but at the time

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<v Speaker 2>it's specifically meant not paid to do the sport. And

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, this is the early Olympics. Actually, the Olympics

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<v Speaker 2>still relatively recently have an amateurism rule, right that people

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<v Speaker 2>can't participate if they are paid to do the sport.

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<v Speaker 2>They have exemptions for fencing coaches, which I think tells

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<v Speaker 2>you about everything you need to know that this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't there for any like purity reason. It's there

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<v Speaker 2>to serve as a class barrier, right, And we see

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<v Speaker 2>it used as a class barrier first of all in football, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's why we have rugby league and rugby union

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<v Speaker 2>because the rugby league people tended to be working people

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<v Speaker 2>and they needed to be paid. It's the rugby league

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<v Speaker 2>allowed for professionalism, Rugby union did not, and those tended

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<v Speaker 2>to be wealthier people, right, but it's used at the

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<v Speaker 2>Olympics extensively to police class. Like probably the most prominent

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<v Speaker 2>example would be Jim Thorpe. You familiar with Jim Thorpe.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Thorpe's the cool guy. Actually, I got to read

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<v Speaker 2>some of his correspondents. He actually wrote a history of

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympic Games, which is very sad when you consider

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<v Speaker 2>that Jim Thorpe himself he's a member of the Sacond

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<v Speaker 2>Fox Nation, right, so he's indigenous to North America. He

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<v Speaker 2>won a medal for the United States in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>twelve Summer Olympics. Who went to gold medals actually won

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<v Speaker 2>in pentathlon and won decathlon. So like decathletes are kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like the uber athletes, right, Like you're doing ten

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<v Speaker 2>ten different sports that you have to just be good

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<v Speaker 2>at exercising. And Jim thoughte was good at exercising. He

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<v Speaker 2>also played collegiate and professional football, professional baseball, and professional basketball. See,

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<v Speaker 2>he's an all around sport to dad. Unfortunately, he lost

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<v Speaker 2>his Olympic title because he had been paid at some

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<v Speaker 2>point for playing baseball, even though he didn't do baseball

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<v Speaker 2>in the Olympics. That's a fucked yeah, It's very clearly

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<v Speaker 2>used as a way to class and race police the games. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think this gets to a point about what

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympics are. So the early Olympics tend to coincide

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<v Speaker 2>with what are called World's fairs. Familiar with World's Fairs, Shreen? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>people sort of get together have these big exhibitions and

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<v Speaker 2>they show off there, you know if you really got

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<v Speaker 2>yeah whatever, Yeah, look what I stole from this country

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<v Speaker 2>that I have colonized and under force extracted these the

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<v Speaker 2>following things. If you're in Britain, like the most famous

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<v Speaker 2>sort of World's Fair site would be Crystal Palace, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Crystal Palace was built, burned down, but it was built

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<v Speaker 2>for the World's Fair. If you're in San Diego, Balboa Park, right,

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<v Speaker 2>was built fourteen Yeah, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Feel like I knew that somewhere in my head.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when you go to Balboa Park, little niche San

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<v Speaker 2>Diego diversion for the millions of you are not in

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<v Speaker 2>San Diego, you can just tune out for ten seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are little cottages like the International Cottages and the

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<v Speaker 2>Palestine House and yeah, Palestine House school that they got

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<v Speaker 2>recognition in San Diego at least those are from the

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<v Speaker 2>World's Fair. Each country would have a little exhibition in

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<v Speaker 2>their house right and all down the Prado. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>actually has zoos started as well. Someone in their exhibition

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<v Speaker 2>had lions and then fucking left them when they left

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<v Speaker 2>and they were like, uh, I guess we start a zoo.

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<v Speaker 2>Got a couple of lines on our hands. Yeah, incredible,

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<v Speaker 2>incredible vibes. So the Olympics happen at the same time

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<v Speaker 2>as world for it's for a long time, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is because the Olympics are essentially a gathering of transnational bourgeois.

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<v Speaker 2>He that's not a phrase I came up with myself.

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<v Speaker 2>It's from my friend David Goldblatt, who's written a really

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<v Speaker 2>excellent history of the Olympics that's called The Games. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to read one book about the Olympics, it

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<v Speaker 2>should be David's book. He's a lovely guy. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>he's not listening hello, David. If you are, I would

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<v Speaker 2>recommend his book because I think his analysis is great. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>that what these become is a place where the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of the people who make money from finance capital all

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<v Speaker 2>around the world can gather together and share the little

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<v Speaker 2>ideas and play their little games. And we see that,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, in the nineteen oh four s In Lewis

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<v Speaker 2>Olympics Saint Louis. In addition to like the World's Fair,

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<v Speaker 2>they have the Olympics and they have something called the

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<v Speaker 2>Anthropological Days. Have you heard about this? Sharing? Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Will you?

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<v Speaker 2>No? It's one of the more funck they happening in St. Louis,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is saying a lot. They essentially kidnapped

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<v Speaker 2>people from around their various imperial possessions, brought them to

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Louis, which in itself is a crime, and then

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<v Speaker 2>forced them to compete in events that they didn't fully

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<v Speaker 2>explain to them what the fuck yeah like, and then

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<v Speaker 2>concluded from this that like white people were better.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like some gladiator shit that's like, yeah, yes, what

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<v Speaker 3>are you doing? That's too modern, that's too hard.

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<v Speaker 2>This is nineteen oh four, yeah, not so long ago. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>very yeah. And this kind of exhibits what the world's

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<v Speaker 2>fairs were and to agree to a degree like what

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympiads became, which was like a way for the

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<v Speaker 2>colonizing powers to get together, right right, Ian, do you

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<v Speaker 2>know what will not kidnap you from your home country

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<v Speaker 2>and fly you to Saint Louis and then force you

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<v Speaker 2>to compete in games that you don't understand.

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<v Speaker 3>Gold.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you probably right. Well, indirectly it will, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because as a sort of source of wealth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah right, okay, whatever, I was trying to make a

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<v Speaker 3>trying to think of something that I might hear next.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's properly gold. You're right way back, and

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<v Speaker 2>we hope you have bought your gold, the only the

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<v Speaker 2>only metal that you can make an Olympic medal out of. Incidentally,

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<v Speaker 2>really I will over to gold. Oh really, you turn green?

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<v Speaker 3>I get like ear like it's it's not good for

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<v Speaker 3>my skin. Well, I'll get like infections, but like I'll

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<v Speaker 3>get like an exema kind of reaction.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, what do you u? Did you have an

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<v Speaker 2>alternative jewelry?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't wear a lot of jewelry. I wear rings

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<v Speaker 3>the most, but I can't wear ear rings anymore. They're

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<v Speaker 3>two My ears are too sensitive. I usually like stick

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<v Speaker 3>with silver if I have to. But yeah, I don't know, not.

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<v Speaker 2>Meant to be rich, no shame or maybe maybe platinum

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<v Speaker 2>is what's Oh yeah, platinum? Yeah, okay, listeners sen Cherine

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<v Speaker 2>Platinum do hikis, well, yeah to where Yeah gold they're

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympic metals are not solid gold, they're just gold coated.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it's a little cheap. Yeah yeah, right, like you

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<v Speaker 2>spend your whole life training something and then they did, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you drop it and it's just plastic in the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they have more value sing pick medals than

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<v Speaker 2>they do as lumps of gold. Anyway, you can sell them,

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<v Speaker 2>and people have sold them online because, as it turns out,

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<v Speaker 2>like spending your entire youth exercising and then getting to

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<v Speaker 2>a point where you're too injured or old to compete,

0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.719
<v Speaker 2>it's sometimes not great for your future career prospects. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I've unfortunately seen lots of friends take that path.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I want to talk about like the Olympics

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<v Speaker 2>in the twenty century, and specifically I want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the Olympics in the nineteen thirties. Right, so when

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympics. By the time we come to the nineteen thirties,

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympics have really become like they're an American thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The Los Angeles Olympics gives us a lot of the

0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.880
<v Speaker 2>modern Olympics and the rest of the mother Olympics we

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<v Speaker 2>get from friends of the podcast Adolf Hitler and his

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<v Speaker 2>Nazi Party. Of course, yeah, I knew that you were

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<v Speaker 2>expecting them. We never, never don't expect Hitler. So ninety

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<v Speaker 2>thirty two is great. Like nineteen thirty two Olympic village.

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<v Speaker 2>They build this Olympic village. They haven't patrolled by cowboys,

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<v Speaker 2>just like Hollywood cosplay dudes on horses cowboying around. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the first. It's very weird. It's the first Olympic village,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's it becomes a real estate investment, right like

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as the Olympics are done, there in classic

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles fashion, flipping the houses for more than they

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<v Speaker 2>were paid. So it also creates this idea of like

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympics as a mass spectacle in nineteen thirty two

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<v Speaker 2>is sometimes called the Hollywood Olympics, right, and it really

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<v Speaker 2>changes the game from rich people getting together for rich

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<v Speaker 2>people to a spectator event and a mass spectator event.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen thirty one, Spain's Dicta Blander collapses. Dicta Blander

0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.760
<v Speaker 2>is like a soft dictatorship as opposed to Dictadora as

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<v Speaker 2>a hard dictatorship. Right, so, and Spain becomes a Republic

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty one. It's also the time when the International

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<v Speaker 2>Olympic Committee is meeting in Barcelona, and for geographically challenged listeners, Barcelona,

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<v Speaker 2>it's in Catalonia, but Catalonia is within Spain at this time,

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<v Speaker 2>so the IOC is almost entirely comprised of very rich people,

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<v Speaker 2>and many of them are like barons, counts, princes other

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<v Speaker 2>people who like their job is being someone's kid, right,

0:14:49.760 --> 0:14:52.080
<v Speaker 2>and they just do things like being on the IOC

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<v Speaker 2>to occupy them what they spend their parents' money. So

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<v Speaker 2>they're in Spain at the time when Spain has just

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<v Speaker 2>deposed a monarch and it has this revolutionary republic, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the anarchists are in the street. It's about to begin

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<v Speaker 2>a campaign of two years of removing the church from

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<v Speaker 2>its official position, like anti clericalism and of land reform.

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<v Speaker 2>These are things which rich people do not like. And

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<v Speaker 2>so the vote happens in Barcelona about where to hold

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<v Speaker 2>the next Olympics, and the two leading candidates are Berlin

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<v Speaker 2>and Barcelona. After Barcelona, I think a little weird happens.

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<v Speaker 2>The IOC members all go home and not everyone has

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<v Speaker 2>come to Barcelona, right, because because of the change in

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<v Speaker 2>the situation and instead of being like, okay, well we

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<v Speaker 2>had a vote in Barcelona one, the IOC makes an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting and relatively unique decision to have another vote by telegram,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the telegram vote, they instead of going for

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<v Speaker 2>the unstable Spanish Second Republic, up for a more stable

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<v Speaker 2>and liberal democracy, which is of course Yamar Germany. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>of course, yeah, good choice by their better rich folks.

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<v Speaker 2>They really helped us out there, and it's very interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>like I've spent a lot of time with these telegrams,

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<v Speaker 2>like the actual paper telegrams in the International Olympic Committee

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<v Speaker 2>archive in Lausanne, trying to ascertain did they just like

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<v Speaker 2>did the vote happen? And then they were like no, fuck,

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<v Speaker 2>we can't go to Barcelona, like we got to redo,

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<v Speaker 2>We've got to work out a way to jig this,

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<v Speaker 2>like we can't go to this republican place, or that

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<v Speaker 2>they claimed that there weren't enough votes, right, that they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have like a quorum. But I've looked at previous

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<v Speaker 2>and subsequent votes and there are there are plenty of

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<v Speaker 2>other votes that have fewer participants, and it was relatively

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<v Speaker 2>normal at this time for not everyone to show up

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<v Speaker 2>at a meeting right, because it's nineteen thirty one, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>traveling is hard, and so I can't categorically say what's happened.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe that's what I suspect has happened. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>really see any way I could find out now, And

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<v Speaker 2>so went to every member of the International Olympic Committee

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<v Speaker 2>at the time and looked in their personal archive. But

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<v Speaker 2>either way, they decided to give the Olympics to this

0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.959
<v Speaker 2>little place called firemar Germany. In between ninety thirty one

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<v Speaker 2>and nineteen thirty six. History fans will know that the

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<v Speaker 2>Nazis came to parent Germany. Nazis not very nice people

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<v Speaker 2>and no bad Many people are saying, yeah, many people

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<v Speaker 2>are saying.

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<v Speaker 3>The mosquitoes of the world not sorry, we just recorded

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<v Speaker 3>the Mosquito episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, in any ways, like the mosquito could be eradicated,

0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:37.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe wouldn't be bad. Yeah, my favorite George Orwell line,

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<v Speaker 2>one of my favorite joints or world lines. I joined

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<v Speaker 2>the militia to kill a fascist because if all of

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<v Speaker 2>us did so, then there wouldn't be any of them left.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, very prescient. So the Olympics, then the Nazis

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<v Speaker 2>going to power. First they want to do away with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right then when they're like, fuck this, this is some

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<v Speaker 2>bougie shit, went on into it. We don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>see other people, we don't care about other nations with arians.

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<v Speaker 2>And then over time the administrators of the Olympics, including

0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.280
<v Speaker 2>guy called Carl DM who would be classified, according to

0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.639
<v Speaker 2>the Nazis owned sort of standards as a Jewish person,

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<v Speaker 2>They persuade the Nazis that having the Olympics will be

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<v Speaker 2>good for them. It will let them exhibit their shit

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<v Speaker 2>on a world scale. And they are not wrong. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>The Olympics turned into a massive boon for Nazi Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have enough time in this short episode to

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<v Speaker 2>explain the whole boycott movement. There was a substantial boycott movement,

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<v Speaker 2>including in the United States. The United States very nearly

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<v Speaker 2>boycotted the Berlin Olympics, but in the end it ended

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<v Speaker 2>up not doing so. You had opposition from really interesting groups.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually had opposition obviously from Jewish groups, right, because Nazis.

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<v Speaker 2>You have opposition from elements of an NAACP, but not

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<v Speaker 2>from other elements because they have this very reasonable objection.

0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.840
<v Speaker 2>They're like, well, America is also racist as fuck. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>like we also like this is a time all week

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<v Speaker 2>exclude black folks from a lot of yeah not yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And so you have black folks boycotting, and you have

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<v Speaker 2>black folks being like, now fuck it, like we'll take

0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.359
<v Speaker 2>the chance, you know. And then you have the opposition

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<v Speaker 2>from an interesting group like the liberal Catholics, right, because

0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:19.000
<v Speaker 2>the Nazis had their own ideas on religion, and so

0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:21.600
<v Speaker 2>a lot of Catholics were anti Nazi at that point,

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<v Speaker 2>and including Jeremiah Mahony, who was president of the Amateur

0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Athletic Union at the time, who was kind of leading

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<v Speaker 2>the boycott movement. The United States decides not to boycott,

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<v Speaker 2>lots of other places in the world decide that they

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<v Speaker 2>are going to boycott, right, and lots of other people

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<v Speaker 2>around the world. And that's where Barcelona. They had a

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<v Speaker 2>conference in Paris. Actually they're the international conference sort of

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<v Speaker 2>respect of the Olympic ideal, and that is the conference

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<v Speaker 2>out of which the bars that remember Barcelona applied in

0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.400
<v Speaker 2>thirty one, right, so they have all their shit together.

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<v Speaker 2>They actually have the site of a former World's Fair

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what they're going to use. So the Catalans

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<v Speaker 2>come to this conference in April of thirty six, and

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<v Speaker 2>are like, hey, we can have another Olympics, which isn't shit,

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<v Speaker 2>And they go ahead and have their Olympics and shit,

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<v Speaker 2>now first happened the Nazi Olympics, Right. The Nazi Olympics

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<v Speaker 2>give us so much of what we consider to be

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<v Speaker 2>the Olympic tradition today. The torch relay, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>torch relay. They go to Olympia and bring the flame. Yeah,

0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.440
<v Speaker 2>that's that's a Nazi thing. Actually, it comes from the Nazis.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea of drawing a link from ancient Greece to

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<v Speaker 2>Berlin was a Nazi idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Why don't we still do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a good question, Sharen, isn't it the good question?

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<v Speaker 2>As we entered the Paris Olympics, one thing they have

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<v Speaker 2>done away was is the Olympic salute because it bears

0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:44.760
<v Speaker 2>an unfortunate resemblance to the Nazis. They also start in no,

0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.800
<v Speaker 2>the Olympics salute predates it. So you have these interesting

0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.600
<v Speaker 2>mark people march like were they the parade at the

0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:53.960
<v Speaker 2>opening ceremony of the Olympics, right, and lots of these

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<v Speaker 2>The pageantry of the opening ceremony also comes from the Nazis,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, and We got people walking in and

0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.080
<v Speaker 2>the come in and they're doing a salute, and people like,

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<v Speaker 2>is that the Nazi salute they're doing? It's at the

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<v Speaker 2>Olympic salute. I'm pretty sure it's the Olympic salute. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>pretty sure.

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<v Speaker 3>If it's too close, I think it's bad. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>think getting confused for something else. I think I think

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<v Speaker 3>you should stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I just tried to not do things that little

0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:20.960
<v Speaker 2>like gunsy kilink like that is how I live my life.

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<v Speaker 2>You have other nations who don't do it, right. You

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<v Speaker 2>have the Americans. The Americans traditionally in the they're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to dip their flag. The Americans have never dipped their

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<v Speaker 2>flag in opening ceremonies. So sometimes you'll see this written

0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:36.400
<v Speaker 2>as like yeah, the Americans said, fuck, hey, they didn't.

0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.000
<v Speaker 2>They just did what they'd always done, which was to

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<v Speaker 2>not dip their flag, and that that Olympiad is a

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<v Speaker 2>great success for Hitler, right, Like this is where a

0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.400
<v Speaker 2>lot of this like, oh, but yeah, he's very efficient.

0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:50.000
<v Speaker 2>He makes a trains run on time. Kind of shit

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<v Speaker 2>comes from.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>They use it as a pageant and they downplay their racism.

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<v Speaker 2>They include a couple of Jewish athletes on their team,

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<v Speaker 2>which is one of the demands of Avery. Brandage, head

0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:04.720
<v Speaker 2>of the America Olympic Committee. Brandage Brandish is an interesting dude. Brandage.

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<v Speaker 2>You can read more about Brandage in my book Robert

0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Did Behind the Bastards on Brandage. I don't think he

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<v Speaker 2>begins the nineteen thirties of the anti Semite, but after

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:17.920
<v Speaker 2>the boycott campaign, which he calls a Jewish Communist conspiracy,

0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:23.480
<v Speaker 2>well yeah, he absolutely becomes an anti Semite, like he

0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.800
<v Speaker 2>grows closer to hit that when other because like his

0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:29.879
<v Speaker 2>idea is that politics shouldn't influence the games, which is

0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:32.040
<v Speaker 2>inherently a political choice when the games have been given

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<v Speaker 2>to fucking Adolf Hitler. Yeah, so the ninety thirty six

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<v Speaker 2>Olympics go ahead in Germany, lots of fascism, lots of

0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:42.480
<v Speaker 2>zieg Heiling, a real success for Hitler. Ninety thirty six

0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Olympics in Barcelona don't go ahead because the Spanish Civil War.

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<v Speaker 2>The Barcelona Olympics are like an alternative to the Berlin Olympics. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>At this time, also, it should be pointed out that

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<v Speaker 2>you got the Winter Olympics when you've got the Olympics.

0:22:55.760 --> 0:22:59.240
<v Speaker 2>So the Nazi had already had their garmentge part in

0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:03.240
<v Speaker 2>Kirschen Winter Olympics and had predicted to me that a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of Nazi shit, right, which didn't stop anyone going

0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.480
<v Speaker 2>to the Summer Olympics. Sharan, do you know what won't

0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:11.919
<v Speaker 2>do a bunch of Nazi shit? What? James, it's the

0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:16.439
<v Speaker 2>products and services that support this show, Saran, I founder.

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<v Speaker 3>It's easier instead of trying to come up with something

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<v Speaker 3>just to give you the question right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, damn foiled again way back. So yeah, these Olympics,

0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:41.639
<v Speaker 2>they're supposed to happen in Barcelona. They don't happen because

0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:43.840
<v Speaker 2>the Spanish Civil War starts at the same time, right,

0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:46.639
<v Speaker 2>Lots of these anti fascist athletes go on to participate

0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:48.640
<v Speaker 2>as fighters in the Spanish Civil War, about four hundred

0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.240
<v Speaker 2>of them. The popular Olympics are cool. The main reason

0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:53.160
<v Speaker 2>they're call is because I've written a book about them,

0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:57.359
<v Speaker 2>but other reasons include that they had like elite amateur

0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and then provincial races, so like you could just show

0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:01.840
<v Speaker 2>up and be like, yeah, man, I'm just going to

0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:03.720
<v Speaker 2>fucking check my hand the ring one hundred meters, let's

0:24:03.720 --> 0:24:06.040
<v Speaker 2>see how I do. And there would be a place

0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:07.879
<v Speaker 2>for you to compete, right, It wasn't about who was

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.920
<v Speaker 2>a freak athlete. They were really interested in working class health.

0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:14.919
<v Speaker 2>So for that reason, they also had like these mass

0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:19.119
<v Speaker 2>relay events where you'd have like the fifty by twenty

0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:21.240
<v Speaker 2>five meters or the ten by fifty meters and you

0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:24.359
<v Speaker 2>couldn't have all runners. So the idea was that the

0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:26.440
<v Speaker 2>country that would win or the nation that would win.

0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:29.640
<v Speaker 2>They competed as nations rather than states, So the exiled

0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:34.199
<v Speaker 2>Jews of Europe competed together for the obvious reason that like,

0:24:34.680 --> 0:24:36.879
<v Speaker 2>if you're a German Jew in nineteen thirty six, you

0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:39.159
<v Speaker 2>don't want to compete for fucking Germany, you know. So

0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:43.800
<v Speaker 2>even at the Populalympics they competed to Jewish workers sports associations.

0:24:44.520 --> 0:24:46.720
<v Speaker 2>And you have exiled and anti fascists from Germany and

0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 2>Italy competing under their own banners. And you have Glicia,

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:54.959
<v Speaker 2>Catalonia Scady, the Basque country competing as their annual nations, right,

0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:57.200
<v Speaker 2>and the same with the colonized people of North Africa.

0:24:57.840 --> 0:25:00.480
<v Speaker 2>And you have the women students of the world with

0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:03.280
<v Speaker 2>their own old team, which is nice. They also made

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:05.520
<v Speaker 2>a big deal of including women, allowing women to do

0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 2>sports that men do at the time. In the nineteen

0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:10.400
<v Speaker 2>thirty six women can run more than two hundred meters. Well,

0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:13.640
<v Speaker 2>but they actually could, as it turns out, Yeah, yeah, right,

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 2>they just weren't allowed to. Yeah, shocking discovery. They didn't

0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:23.800
<v Speaker 2>just evolve that capacity since thirty six. But these Olympics

0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:26.119
<v Speaker 2>don't go ahead beause the Spanish Civil War starts. Lots

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:29.200
<v Speaker 2>of the anti fascist athletes who came state to fight, right,

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:32.800
<v Speaker 2>including people I've written about in my book. We did

0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 2>a whole cool people who did cool stuff about this.

0:25:35.080 --> 0:25:36.919
<v Speaker 2>So you can listen to more if you want to.

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 2>In Margaret's feed. I'm sure if you search popular Olympics

0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:42.159
<v Speaker 2>will be there. By the way you sometimes see it

0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:46.320
<v Speaker 2>translated as People's Olympics. I prefer popular because it's inherently

0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:48.480
<v Speaker 2>tied to the idea of a popular front right, which

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:51.639
<v Speaker 2>is a policy of like united front between everyone from

0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:54.840
<v Speaker 2>the liberals to the communists to the anarchists against fascism.

0:25:55.160 --> 0:25:57.639
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes the anarchists don't participate in the popular front because

0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:01.440
<v Speaker 2>it is dominated by communists. Communists, in fact, love to

0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:04.000
<v Speaker 2>kill anarchists a lot more than they love to kill fascists,

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 2>and they use the popular front as cover for doing that,

0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:09.280
<v Speaker 2>as we see in Spain. But the anarchists did participate

0:26:09.320 --> 0:26:12.159
<v Speaker 2>in workers or popular sport in Barcelona at least to

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:16.160
<v Speaker 2>an extent. So these games, so that said, they don't happen.

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:17.880
<v Speaker 2>You can read about that my book, or you can

0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:21.399
<v Speaker 2>listen to Margaret's podcast about it. But I want to

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:24.920
<v Speaker 2>talk about what the Olympics represent today, the modern Olympics. Right,

0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 2>they have become as they always were, Right, they continue

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:31.440
<v Speaker 2>to be a spectacle that they've been since thirty two,

0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 2>and they continue to be a vehicle for capitalism as

0:26:34.520 --> 0:26:37.960
<v Speaker 2>they have been forever. Right, if we look at their

0:26:38.040 --> 0:26:40.600
<v Speaker 2>recent Olympic games, right, we look at London, we look

0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:44.360
<v Speaker 2>at Rio. I think Rio is a really great example, right,

0:26:44.359 --> 0:26:48.280
<v Speaker 2>the Olympics that they were able to clear areas of

0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:52.440
<v Speaker 2>the city using the potential Olympics. Right, displace favela communities,

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:57.880
<v Speaker 2>displace poor and excluded and marginalized people, and take advantage

0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:01.680
<v Speaker 2>of incredibly underpaid labor. And there's probably it's a bit

0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:06.359
<v Speaker 2>rarer now, but for like most of the last eight years,

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:11.280
<v Speaker 2>you've met Haitian folks in Tijuana mostly right, the US

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 2>has been especially racist and bigoted towards Haitians, and you can.

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:17.639
<v Speaker 2>I wrote a piece for NBC about Bidens hypocracy on

0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:21.159
<v Speaker 2>Haitian immigration. But there were people who had worked on

0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 2>the Olympic Stadium in Brazil, right, So they've gone from Haiti,

0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:28.520
<v Speaker 2>like after the earthquake or the economic and political issues,

0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 2>so they've had ever since the earthquake, they've gone to Brazil.

0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 2>And then they've worked in Brazil building the stadia, getting

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 2>paid fuck all and doing dangerous work. And then eventually

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:39.680
<v Speaker 2>I've been able to find work that visas had run

0:27:39.720 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 2>out or that they'd otherwise chosen to come north to

0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.480
<v Speaker 2>the United States, and they often end up not being

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:46.920
<v Speaker 2>able to They end up stuck in Tijuana or living

0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:51.280
<v Speaker 2>in Tijuana and finding work there. So often Olympics take

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:56.879
<v Speaker 2>advantage of migrant labor. They are used as a means

0:27:56.960 --> 0:28:02.159
<v Speaker 2>of like reshaping the city in to like sculpting it

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:06.119
<v Speaker 2>under capitalism. Yea right, pushing folks out of their neighborhoods.

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 2>They don't do the Olympics in bougie neighborhoods. They use

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:12.439
<v Speaker 2>it as an excuse to gentrify a neighborhood, to remove

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:16.080
<v Speaker 2>in trench working class communities. Yeah, like it's really sad.

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:19.640
<v Speaker 2>It's when I read so much of the stuff about,

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:23.080
<v Speaker 2>like specifically the Barcelona Olympic Games, Like we see these

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:26.920
<v Speaker 2>people who are unquestionably good people, right, Like they genuinely

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 2>believe that through what they see is the ideal of

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:33.879
<v Speaker 2>the Olympics, they can liberate women. They the Barcelona organizers

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:35.640
<v Speaker 2>so like, they didn't have much money, right, they were

0:28:35.640 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 2>putting people up. And I found these forms in the archives.

0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:42.160
<v Speaker 2>They'd go around people's houses and be like, hey, do

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 2>you have a spare bedroom? And in the form you

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.080
<v Speaker 2>can tick I have one, two, three spare bedrooms. I

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 2>can serve breakfast. I can't serve breakfast. And that's how

0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 2>they would bill at the athletes, right. The athletes didn't

0:28:50.840 --> 0:28:52.959
<v Speaker 2>have an Olympic village. They had a hotel and then

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 2>any surp plus you would just stay with a local person.

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:57.840
<v Speaker 2>It was a very different vision of what the Olympics

0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:01.240
<v Speaker 2>could have been, right, And they believed in the youth

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 2>of the world coming together. They really thought that at

0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 2>the popul Olympics they could show the strength of anti fascism,

0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:09.240
<v Speaker 2>that anti fishing wasn't just a talking point, that it

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 2>was that it was young and it was healthy and like,

0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:15.600
<v Speaker 2>most importantly that they could fucking kill you, right like

0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 2>that that sport all Well again double or Well quote

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:23.320
<v Speaker 2>episode or Well called sport War without the shooting, and

0:29:23.360 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 2>I think he's spot on. Actually it is good. He's

0:29:25.440 --> 0:29:30.000
<v Speaker 2>got some bangers sharene you do say that. Yeah, he's

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 2>a word guy, George or Well. People do love to

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 2>misquote George your Well, but I like to quote him correctly.

0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:38.440
<v Speaker 2>You know you can. You can always when someone miss

0:29:38.520 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 2>quote George your Well, you can always just quote tweet

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 2>them with the I had joined the militia to kill

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:46.680
<v Speaker 2>a fascist, right or the other absolute banger from all Well.

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 2>I have no particular love for the idealized worker as

0:29:49.280 --> 0:29:51.640
<v Speaker 2>he exists in the mind of the bourgeois communists. But

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.480
<v Speaker 2>when I see a real flesh and bug worker in

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 2>conflict with his natural enemy, the policeman, I don't have

0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:59.720
<v Speaker 2>to ask myself which side them on. Ooh it's a banger.

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:01.840
<v Speaker 3>That's that's poetry.

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it is. It's great. Like it's something that when

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 2>I get around, will have tattooed on my body. Maybe,

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 2>like maybe when I have to cross fewer borders. It's

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 2>probably not something you want to be showing off to

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 2>the intelligence agencies of various countries. Yeah, it's really sad

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 2>to see this thing. And I think it does have potential.

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:23.520
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a potential. What I want to end

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 2>on is, like, I think we can recover that potential,

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 2>Like we can take the Olympics away from the people

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.440
<v Speaker 2>who did nineteen oh four and the people who did

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty six, and like it doesn't mean to have

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 2>to use that obviously that the IOC is not fucking

0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 2>coming with us, Right, I've been to the IOC, very

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 2>nice building, but like this is the you know, the

0:30:44.720 --> 0:30:47.479
<v Speaker 2>the interests of finance, capital and the interesting iOS here

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 2>inherently tied.

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:48.480
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Coca Coat, every massive corporation in the world is a

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:56.320
<v Speaker 2>massive spot for the Olympics, Right, And it's also been

0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 2>a platform for some really good things that we think about.

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Tommy Smith and John Carlos right at the ninety sixty

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 2>eight Olympics giving the raise fist salute on the podium.

0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you've seen it. There's a statue of them,

0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 2>several statues of them, I think, actually, but yeah, very

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.880
<v Speaker 2>famous Olympic moment. The whole ninety sixty year Olympics actually

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of gave a platform for protest, and Parisians have

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:19.520
<v Speaker 2>been protesting against this Olympics, and Angelino's are already protesting

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:22.120
<v Speaker 2>against what it's going to happen in twenty eight. You

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 2>can look up no Olympics LA for those folks, and

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.160
<v Speaker 2>I think that that is something that's worth supporting. I

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 2>don't think that the idea is inherently bad, the idea

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:34.080
<v Speaker 2>of coming together to play and like sports are where

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:35.680
<v Speaker 2>we decide who's on our team and who's not on

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 2>our team, right, And what the Popula Olympics did was

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:40.040
<v Speaker 2>said working people are all on the same team, and

0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 2>they've played that out right. The day the games were

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 2>supposed to start, some of those athletes were in the

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:47.520
<v Speaker 2>streets killing fascists and they weren't. Right that day that

0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 2>minitary coup failed in Barcelona, a lot of them left

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 2>really feeling like they got something out of the games

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:56.720
<v Speaker 2>that they couldn't have got. All that they came to play,

0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 2>and then they saw like what they were playing for

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:03.800
<v Speaker 2>acted out. And I think there's still something really powerful

0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 2>in that, but we can only get there by acknowledging

0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:09.840
<v Speaker 2>how fucked up the Olympics have always been. I see

0:32:09.840 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 2>this like liberal narratives that the Librics, the Olympics are

0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 2>once great and about sportsmanship and now they're about capitalism.

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:18.760
<v Speaker 2>No fuck that, Like they have always been inherently about capitalism.

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:21.680
<v Speaker 2>They have been inherently about colonialism, about eugenics. Right, the

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:24.800
<v Speaker 2>medal table. We don't do the medal table for shits

0:32:24.800 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>and giggles. The medal table is there to prove like

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 2>the superiority of one race. Like that is why Hitler

0:32:31.640 --> 0:32:36.760
<v Speaker 2>is obsessed with the medal table. Right, He's extremely worried

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 2>that like either the black folks in the United States

0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:42.280
<v Speaker 2>or like god forbid, the Japanese do well in the Olympics.

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.480
<v Speaker 2>It's like and then the Olympics trying to sort of

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 2>posit itself as inherently pro human rights, I think is

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:53.040
<v Speaker 2>very problematic when we look at like how Olympics Stadia

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:55.400
<v Speaker 2>get constructed, by whom they get constructed, and where they

0:32:55.440 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 2>get constructed, yeah, the effect and yeah, and who who

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 2>they're for and who who they take from. So I know,

0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying don't watch the Olympics. Like when I

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 2>was a kid, the Olympics were like fucking formative in

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 2>me wanting to do sport, and when I was an

0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 2>athlete the Olympics beginning, I wanted to do. I have

0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 2>friends who are going to be at the Olympics, and like,

0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 2>I guess I wish them the best, but still a

0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 2>bad thing. And like I certainly don't blame folks who

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 2>come from like resource poor settings for taking that chance.

0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 3>Of course not, but it is like, yeah, the way

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 3>it currently is and the way it's always been is

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 3>just doesn't necessarily make the world a better place. But

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 3>maybe there's a different timeline where I don't know, Barcelona's

0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:45.760
<v Speaker 3>idealism of an Olympics is like true.

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I think we can bring it back.

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 2>I think like antio fascism is having a moment that

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:53.800
<v Speaker 2>it probably hasn't had them to nineteen true the last

0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:56.080
<v Speaker 2>four years. We can get together and we can have

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:58.200
<v Speaker 2>our own institutions too, Like I don't think we should

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 2>abandon sport to the chuds, just of course the chance

0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:04.200
<v Speaker 2>of like sport, Like yeah, there's a way, but.

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 3>I also don't want anyone to use it as a

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 3>way to like not sports wash, but like kind of

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 3>focus on something that is not as relevant as the

0:34:13.280 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 3>bigger picture. Does that make sense?

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, totally. Like, yeah, it shouldn't be used to distract.

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.440
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, that's what that's the short wordsode.

0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like it has been like global sports are

0:34:24.560 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 2>increasingly going to like Petro states in the Middle East. Yeah, right, like,

0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 2>and that is a problem. I think if you're an athlete,

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 2>I would encourage you to really consider what your role

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 2>is and some of my friends listen who are still

0:34:35.600 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 2>like professional athletes, and just think about what you can do.

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:40.760
<v Speaker 2>And like, I will tell you that when you stop

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 2>getting paid to exercise, all of it seems very unimportant

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 2>and like you suddenly realize that in my case, but

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:51.440
<v Speaker 2>there's important shit that you can do if you have

0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:52.960
<v Speaker 2>a chance to do it, and you should do it

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 2>if you get the chance. But yeah, I think hopefully,

0:34:57.760 --> 0:35:00.799
<v Speaker 2>you know, if people want to know more about the Populalympics,

0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:05.239
<v Speaker 2>I will fucking talk your eer of me an email. Yeah,

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 2>my book. I think it might be on libcom now

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:08.840
<v Speaker 2>as well. I think you can. I think it's been pirated,

0:35:08.960 --> 0:35:10.480
<v Speaker 2>which is good to see. You can get it from

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 2>your library. I'd love you to get it from a

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.799
<v Speaker 2>library because it's for someone else libraries. Yeah, I do

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 2>love a library. Yeah, we should do a library episode.

0:35:17.280 --> 0:35:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:19.600
<v Speaker 2>I was trying to get the library San Diego Library

0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Association on because we've been defunding the libraries here in

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:24.839
<v Speaker 2>San Diego to have more cops. Yeah, it's great.

0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I love the libraries are just this I

0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:31.359
<v Speaker 3>don't know, pure little place. We got to do some

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:34.319
<v Speaker 3>library episodes. Yeah, we'll do, and we we'll get them back.

0:35:34.320 --> 0:35:36.239
<v Speaker 3>We'll get the library. So if you work in a

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<v Speaker 3>library and the police are taking away the money you

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<v Speaker 3>used to read books to little children, you can you

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<v Speaker 3>can DM me on dot com. Yeah, and we will

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<v Speaker 3>fight the good fight for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. All right, that's uh, that's that's been the Olympics. No,

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<v Speaker 2>go go forth, do an little decathalon. Here's a fin

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<v Speaker 2>Olympic fact for you, a fun fun facts end the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>A general pattern, right. American war guy entered the pentathlon

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<v Speaker 2>at the Olympics and used such a large pistol that

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<v Speaker 2>they were unable to determine the size of his grouping

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<v Speaker 2>of shots on the target because he just viscerated the

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<v Speaker 2>whole target his hand cannon. Yeah. So, embody that the

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<v Speaker 2>pentathlon a sport that was designed to train offices. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to run, swim, ride a horse, sword, find

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<v Speaker 2>and shoot. Yeah, so make a better pentathlon, make make

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<v Speaker 2>our anti fascist to cathalon. Yeah, send us your You

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<v Speaker 2>can tag us with your your decathlon ideas on on

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<v Speaker 2>x dot com. We both use at I write Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>bizarrely we have the same the same Twitter handle. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>send us your sporting ideas. Enjoy your little Olympic viewing.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that I've ruined it all for you.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess yeah, no, I mean it's it's good to

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<v Speaker 3>know context. But yeah, until next time, Until the next

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<v Speaker 3>time you and dreams talk about something either terrible or fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Or somewhere in between. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll yeah, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be back seeing you with something else. You'll never know

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<v Speaker 2>what these are always fucking just these must just come

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<v Speaker 2>out of left field for people, like, what the fuck

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<v Speaker 2>are they talking about today?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I guess I'll ever know until you listen.

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