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Speaker 2: Hi, Scheren, Hi James, I was alarming. Yeah, I went

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Speaker 2: into like twenty tens YouTube boys.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, Hi James is excited today I am excited.

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Speaker 2: I'm always excited to make a podcast, you know, I

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Speaker 2: am especially excited to talk to you, Serene, because we

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Speaker 2: are talking about a subject which I have wasted far

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Speaker 2: too much of my life reading and writing about. What

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Speaker 2: are we talking about, Sharen sports? Sports? Olympics. Yeah, sports,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to explain to Sharen sports why they're fun.

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Speaker 2: I did too many of them. Okay, we're talking about

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Speaker 2: the Olympics, the Olympic Games specifically. I guess they're happening

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Speaker 2: Olympics because I wrote a book about it, and so

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Speaker 2: I get to drawing on about it for half an

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Speaker 1: Cool?

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Speaker 2: The mon Olympic Games is it draws links to ancient Greece, right,

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Speaker 2: And it does that because at the time that the

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: This is the same time when we see all those

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Speaker 3: And hey, I took our history and I minor to that,

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, because I did not take our history. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you know more all kinds of stuff about

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Speaker 2: at like to understand the Olympics, we have to understand sport, right,

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Speaker 2: And to understand sport, we have to understand play.

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Speaker 3: So I was right about sports.

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Speaker 2: You don't have to yeah, no, no, you agree, you're

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Speaker 2: we probably don't need to read that. It's not a banger.

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Speaker 2: We very few academic books are bangers. I like to

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Speaker 2: it's also overpriced and you shouldn't buy it. Just go

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Speaker 2: to your library and get it for free. Play is

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Speaker 2: it's pretty obvious what play is. But it's the difference

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Speaker 2: Play doesn't. So the archetypal kind of example of transitioning

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Speaker 2: association football. Right, that's where soccer comes from. Right, as

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Speaker 2: and that happened at Rugby School, right, which was one

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Speaker 2: as academia and sports very quickly develop a set of

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Speaker 2: This isn't there for any like purity reason. It's there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you go to Balboa Park, little niche San

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Speaker 2: incredible vibes. So the Olympics happen at the same time

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Speaker 2: Anthropological Days. Have you heard about this? Sharing? Oh?

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Speaker 2: No? It's one of the more funck they happening in St. Louis,

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Speaker 3: It's like some gladiator shit that's like, yeah, yes, what

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Speaker 2: colonizing powers to get together, right right, Ian, do you

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Speaker 2: know what will not kidnap you from your home country

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Speaker 3: Gold.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you probably right. Well, indirectly it will, you know,

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Speaker 2: to the Summer Olympics. Sharan, do you know what won't

431
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 2: do a bunch of Nazi shit? What? James, it's the

432
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Speaker 2: products and services that support this show, Saran, I founder.

433
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Speaker 3: It's easier instead of trying to come up with something

434
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 3: just to give you the question right now.

435
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn foiled again way back. So yeah, these Olympics,

436
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 2: they're supposed to happen in Barcelona. They don't happen because

437
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 2: the Spanish Civil War starts at the same time, right,

438
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 2: Lots of these anti fascist athletes go on to participate

439
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 2: as fighters in the Spanish Civil War, about four hundred

440
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 2: of them. The popular Olympics are cool. The main reason

441
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 2: they're call is because I've written a book about them,

442
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 2: but other reasons include that they had like elite amateur

443
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: and then provincial races, so like you could just show

444
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: up and be like, yeah, man, I'm just going to

445
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 2: fucking check my hand the ring one hundred meters, let's

446
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: see how I do. And there would be a place

447
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 2: for you to compete, right, It wasn't about who was

448
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 2: a freak athlete. They were really interested in working class health.

449
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 2: So for that reason, they also had like these mass

450
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Speaker 2: relay events where you'd have like the fifty by twenty

451
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: five meters or the ten by fifty meters and you

452
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 2: couldn't have all runners. So the idea was that the

453
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 2: country that would win or the nation that would win.

454
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Speaker 1: Right.

455
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 2: They competed as nations rather than states, So the exiled

456
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:34,199
Speaker 2: Jews of Europe competed together for the obvious reason that like,

457
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 2: if you're a German Jew in nineteen thirty six, you

458
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 2: don't want to compete for fucking Germany, you know. So

459
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: even at the Populalympics they competed to Jewish workers sports associations.

460
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: And you have exiled and anti fascists from Germany and

461
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: Italy competing under their own banners. And you have Glicia,

462
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 2: Catalonia Scady, the Basque country competing as their annual nations, right,

463
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: and the same with the colonized people of North Africa.

464
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Speaker 2: And you have the women students of the world with

465
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Speaker 2: their own old team, which is nice. They also made

466
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: a big deal of including women, allowing women to do

467
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Speaker 2: sports that men do at the time. In the nineteen

468
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Speaker 2: thirty six women can run more than two hundred meters. Well,

469
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 2: but they actually could, as it turns out, Yeah, yeah, right,

470
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 2: they just weren't allowed to. Yeah, shocking discovery. They didn't

471
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: just evolve that capacity since thirty six. But these Olympics

472
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 2: don't go ahead beause the Spanish Civil War starts. Lots

473
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: of the anti fascist athletes who came state to fight, right,

474
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: including people I've written about in my book. We did

475
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 2: a whole cool people who did cool stuff about this.

476
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: So you can listen to more if you want to.

477
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Speaker 2: In Margaret's feed. I'm sure if you search popular Olympics

478
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 2: will be there. By the way you sometimes see it

479
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: translated as People's Olympics. I prefer popular because it's inherently

480
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: tied to the idea of a popular front right, which

481
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 2: is a policy of like united front between everyone from

482
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: the liberals to the communists to the anarchists against fascism.

483
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 2: Sometimes the anarchists don't participate in the popular front because

484
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 2: it is dominated by communists. Communists, in fact, love to

485
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: kill anarchists a lot more than they love to kill fascists,

486
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 2: and they use the popular front as cover for doing that,

487
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 2: as we see in Spain. But the anarchists did participate

488
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 2: in workers or popular sport in Barcelona at least to

489
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 2: an extent. So these games, so that said, they don't happen.

490
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 2: You can read about that my book, or you can

491
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: listen to Margaret's podcast about it. But I want to

492
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 2: talk about what the Olympics represent today, the modern Olympics. Right,

493
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: they have become as they always were, Right, they continue

494
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: to be a spectacle that they've been since thirty two,

495
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: and they continue to be a vehicle for capitalism as

496
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: they have been forever. Right, if we look at their

497
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: recent Olympic games, right, we look at London, we look

498
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 2: at Rio. I think Rio is a really great example, right,

499
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: the Olympics that they were able to clear areas of

500
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 2: the city using the potential Olympics. Right, displace favela communities,

501
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 2: displace poor and excluded and marginalized people, and take advantage

502
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Speaker 2: of incredibly underpaid labor. And there's probably it's a bit

503
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: rarer now, but for like most of the last eight years,

504
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 2: you've met Haitian folks in Tijuana mostly right, the US

505
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: has been especially racist and bigoted towards Haitians, and you can.

506
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 2: I wrote a piece for NBC about Bidens hypocracy on

507
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 2: Haitian immigration. But there were people who had worked on

508
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: the Olympic Stadium in Brazil, right, So they've gone from Haiti,

509
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: like after the earthquake or the economic and political issues,

510
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 2: so they've had ever since the earthquake, they've gone to Brazil.

511
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: And then they've worked in Brazil building the stadia, getting

512
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: paid fuck all and doing dangerous work. And then eventually

513
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: I've been able to find work that visas had run

514
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: out or that they'd otherwise chosen to come north to

515
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: the United States, and they often end up not being

516
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 2: able to They end up stuck in Tijuana or living

517
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 2: in Tijuana and finding work there. So often Olympics take

518
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: advantage of migrant labor. They are used as a means

519
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: of like reshaping the city in to like sculpting it

520
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: under capitalism. Yea right, pushing folks out of their neighborhoods.

521
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: They don't do the Olympics in bougie neighborhoods. They use

522
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 2: it as an excuse to gentrify a neighborhood, to remove

523
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: in trench working class communities. Yeah, like it's really sad.

524
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 2: It's when I read so much of the stuff about,

525
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: like specifically the Barcelona Olympic Games, Like we see these

526
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: people who are unquestionably good people, right, Like they genuinely

527
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 2: believe that through what they see is the ideal of

528
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 2: the Olympics, they can liberate women. They the Barcelona organizers

529
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 2: so like, they didn't have much money, right, they were

530
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: putting people up. And I found these forms in the archives.

531
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: They'd go around people's houses and be like, hey, do

532
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: you have a spare bedroom? And in the form you

533
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: can tick I have one, two, three spare bedrooms. I

534
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: can serve breakfast. I can't serve breakfast. And that's how

535
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: they would bill at the athletes, right. The athletes didn't

536
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 2: have an Olympic village. They had a hotel and then

537
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: any surp plus you would just stay with a local person.

538
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: It was a very different vision of what the Olympics

539
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 2: could have been, right, And they believed in the youth

540
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 2: of the world coming together. They really thought that at

541
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: the popul Olympics they could show the strength of anti fascism,

542
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: that anti fishing wasn't just a talking point, that it

543
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: was that it was young and it was healthy and like,

544
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: most importantly that they could fucking kill you, right like

545
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: that that sport all Well again double or Well quote

546
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: episode or Well called sport War without the shooting, and

547
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Speaker 2: I think he's spot on. Actually it is good. He's

548
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: got some bangers sharene you do say that. Yeah, he's

549
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: a word guy, George or Well. People do love to

550
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 2: misquote George your Well, but I like to quote him correctly.

551
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: You know you can. You can always when someone miss

552
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: quote George your Well, you can always just quote tweet

553
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: them with the I had joined the militia to kill

554
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: a fascist, right or the other absolute banger from all Well.

555
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 2: I have no particular love for the idealized worker as

556
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 2: he exists in the mind of the bourgeois communists. But

557
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: when I see a real flesh and bug worker in

558
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: conflict with his natural enemy, the policeman, I don't have

559
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: to ask myself which side them on. Ooh it's a banger.

560
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 3: That's that's poetry.

561
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. It's great. Like it's something that when

562
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: I get around, will have tattooed on my body. Maybe,

563
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: like maybe when I have to cross fewer borders. It's

564
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: probably not something you want to be showing off to

565
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: the intelligence agencies of various countries. Yeah, it's really sad

566
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: to see this thing. And I think it does have potential.

567
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: I think it's a potential. What I want to end

568
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: on is, like, I think we can recover that potential,

569
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: Like we can take the Olympics away from the people

570
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: who did nineteen oh four and the people who did

571
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty six, and like it doesn't mean to have

572
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: to use that obviously that the IOC is not fucking

573
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 2: coming with us, Right, I've been to the IOC, very

574
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: nice building, but like this is the you know, the

575
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,479
Speaker 2: the interests of finance, capital and the interesting iOS here

576
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: inherently tied.

577
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: Right.

578
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 2: Coca Coat, every massive corporation in the world is a

579
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: massive spot for the Olympics, Right, And it's also been

580
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 2: a platform for some really good things that we think about.

581
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: Tommy Smith and John Carlos right at the ninety sixty

582
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: eight Olympics giving the raise fist salute on the podium.

583
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've seen it. There's a statue of them,

584
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: several statues of them, I think, actually, but yeah, very

585
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: famous Olympic moment. The whole ninety sixty year Olympics actually

586
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: kind of gave a platform for protest, and Parisians have

587
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: been protesting against this Olympics, and Angelino's are already protesting

588
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: against what it's going to happen in twenty eight. You

589
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: can look up no Olympics LA for those folks, and

590
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: I think that that is something that's worth supporting. I

591
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: don't think that the idea is inherently bad, the idea

592
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: of coming together to play and like sports are where

593
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: we decide who's on our team and who's not on

594
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: our team, right, And what the Popula Olympics did was

595
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: said working people are all on the same team, and

596
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: they've played that out right. The day the games were

597
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: supposed to start, some of those athletes were in the

598
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: streets killing fascists and they weren't. Right that day that

599
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: minitary coup failed in Barcelona, a lot of them left

600
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 2: really feeling like they got something out of the games

601
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: that they couldn't have got. All that they came to play,

602
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: and then they saw like what they were playing for

603
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: acted out. And I think there's still something really powerful

604
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 2: in that, but we can only get there by acknowledging

605
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: how fucked up the Olympics have always been. I see

606
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: this like liberal narratives that the Librics, the Olympics are

607
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: once great and about sportsmanship and now they're about capitalism.

608
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: No fuck that, Like they have always been inherently about capitalism.

609
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: They have been inherently about colonialism, about eugenics. Right, the

610
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 2: medal table. We don't do the medal table for shits

611
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 2: and giggles. The medal table is there to prove like

612
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: the superiority of one race. Like that is why Hitler

613
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: is obsessed with the medal table. Right, He's extremely worried

614
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: that like either the black folks in the United States

615
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: or like god forbid, the Japanese do well in the Olympics.

616
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: It's like and then the Olympics trying to sort of

617
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: posit itself as inherently pro human rights, I think is

618
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 2: very problematic when we look at like how Olympics Stadia

619
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: get constructed, by whom they get constructed, and where they

620
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: get constructed, yeah, the effect and yeah, and who who

621
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 2: they're for and who who they take from. So I know,

622
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: I'm not saying don't watch the Olympics. Like when I

623
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: was a kid, the Olympics were like fucking formative in

624
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 2: me wanting to do sport, and when I was an

625
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: athlete the Olympics beginning, I wanted to do. I have

626
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 2: friends who are going to be at the Olympics, and like,

627
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: I guess I wish them the best, but still a

628
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: bad thing. And like I certainly don't blame folks who

629
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: come from like resource poor settings for taking that chance.

630
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: Of course not, but it is like, yeah, the way

631
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: it currently is and the way it's always been is

632
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: just doesn't necessarily make the world a better place. But

633
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 3: maybe there's a different timeline where I don't know, Barcelona's

634
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: idealism of an Olympics is like true.

635
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I think we can bring it back.

636
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: I think like antio fascism is having a moment that

637
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: it probably hasn't had them to nineteen true the last

638
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: four years. We can get together and we can have

639
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: our own institutions too, Like I don't think we should

640
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: abandon sport to the chuds, just of course the chance

641
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: of like sport, Like yeah, there's a way, but.

642
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 3: I also don't want anyone to use it as a

643
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: way to like not sports wash, but like kind of

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Speaker 3: focus on something that is not as relevant as the

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Speaker 3: bigger picture. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, totally. Like, yeah, it shouldn't be used to distract.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, that's what that's the short wordsode.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like it has been like global sports are

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Speaker 2: increasingly going to like Petro states in the Middle East. Yeah, right, like,

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Speaker 2: and that is a problem. I think if you're an athlete,

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Speaker 2: I would encourage you to really consider what your role

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Speaker 2: is and some of my friends listen who are still

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Speaker 2: like professional athletes, and just think about what you can do.

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Speaker 2: And like, I will tell you that when you stop

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Speaker 2: getting paid to exercise, all of it seems very unimportant

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Speaker 2: and like you suddenly realize that in my case, but

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Speaker 2: there's important shit that you can do if you have

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Speaker 2: a chance to do it, and you should do it

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Speaker 2: if you get the chance. But yeah, I think hopefully,

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Speaker 2: you know, if people want to know more about the Populalympics,

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Speaker 2: I will fucking talk your eer of me an email. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: my book. I think it might be on libcom now

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Speaker 2: as well. I think you can. I think it's been pirated,

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Speaker 2: which is good to see. You can get it from

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Speaker 2: your library. I'd love you to get it from a

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Speaker 2: library because it's for someone else libraries. Yeah, I do

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Speaker 2: love a library. Yeah, we should do a library episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was trying to get the library San Diego Library

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Speaker 2: Association on because we've been defunding the libraries here in

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Speaker 2: San Diego to have more cops. Yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I love the libraries are just this I

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Speaker 3: don't know, pure little place. We got to do some

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Speaker 3: library episodes. Yeah, we'll do, and we we'll get them back.

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Speaker 3: We'll get the library. So if you work in a

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Speaker 3: library and the police are taking away the money you

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Speaker 3: used to read books to little children, you can you

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Speaker 3: can DM me on dot com. Yeah, and we will

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Speaker 3: fight the good fight for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. All right, that's uh, that's that's been the Olympics. No,

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Speaker 2: go go forth, do an little decathalon. Here's a fin

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Speaker 2: Olympic fact for you, a fun fun facts end the episode.

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Speaker 2: A general pattern, right. American war guy entered the pentathlon

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Speaker 2: at the Olympics and used such a large pistol that

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Speaker 2: they were unable to determine the size of his grouping

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Speaker 2: of shots on the target because he just viscerated the

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Speaker 2: whole target his hand cannon. Yeah. So, embody that the

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Speaker 2: pentathlon a sport that was designed to train offices. Right,

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Speaker 2: you have to run, swim, ride a horse, sword, find

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Speaker 2: and shoot. Yeah, so make a better pentathlon, make make

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Speaker 2: our anti fascist to cathalon. Yeah, send us your You

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Speaker 2: can tag us with your your decathlon ideas on on

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Speaker 2: x dot com. We both use at I write Okay,

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Speaker 2: bizarrely we have the same the same Twitter handle. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: send us your sporting ideas. Enjoy your little Olympic viewing.

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Speaker 2: Now that I've ruined it all for you.

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Speaker 3: I guess yeah, no, I mean it's it's good to

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Speaker 3: know context. But yeah, until next time, Until the next

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Speaker 3: time you and dreams talk about something either terrible or fun.

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Speaker 2: Or somewhere in between. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll yeah, we'll

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Speaker 2: be back seeing you with something else. You'll never know

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Speaker 2: what these are always fucking just these must just come

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Speaker 2: out of left field for people, like, what the fuck

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Speaker 2: are they talking about today?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess I'll ever know until you listen.

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Speaker 2: That's listen every day. Bye bye bye.

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