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Speaker 1: episode five, He warned, Hello, my name is Jason Gettepsi
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Speaker 2: The news and today's episode.
Speaker 3: We are officially over halfway through peace Maker season two
Speaker 3: and things are getting crazy, so me and Jason will
Speaker 3: be recapping it, and then we're going to bring Ian
Speaker 3: in our peace make it correspondent to talk theories for
Speaker 3: the last three episode.
Speaker 2: Of the season and where this could all be going.
Speaker 3: I think that it's hinting that maybe we've been right
Speaker 3: about some things, but I'm excited to dig into it
Speaker 3: with you guys.
Speaker 1: More Peacemaker episode five, We've open on Junior Rick Flagg
Speaker 1: Junior's funeral. His flag draped coffin is there, Harcourt is
Speaker 1: there staring at the casket. Senior comes over and Senior
Speaker 1: is bitter about the mission, about the resources his son
Speaker 1: and his team was given to accomplish the mission, and
Speaker 1: most of all, of course, he's bitter that he was
Speaker 1: killed and the course of the mission. He wants to
Speaker 1: know what happened, and Harcourt's like, that's classified. Senior then
Speaker 1: tells Harcourt that sadly Waller has it out for you,
Speaker 1: sorry to say, and Hardcourt is like, I know, and
Speaker 1: he says, listen, You're always going to be part of
Speaker 1: the family for me. Okay, Junior loved you and that's
Speaker 1: good enough for me. That's what Junior would have wanted.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Harcourt, I'm going to find the
Speaker 1: person responsible for Junior's death and they will pay don
Speaker 1: Don dun reliable.
Speaker 3: That is how I felt off to the end of
Speaker 3: James Gun's The Suicide Squad also, like I do I
Speaker 3: love it that dealing with this, But I also did
Speaker 3: think it was really funny because I was like, say,
Speaker 3: your son was in the suicide Squad twice, Like I
Speaker 3: think you've gotta be a bet dad, Like if he's
Speaker 3: getting Team X, Like I think we know it's called
Speaker 3: the suicide Squad, let's called the suicide Squad.
Speaker 1: We go to the present. Harcourt is at the ambush
Speaker 1: site where she is lured Chris two. It's a local park.
Speaker 1: There's playground, there's kids, there's people playing frisbee. The whole thing.
Speaker 1: Senior and the other Argus agents, including Fleury and Bordeaux
Speaker 1: or like lurking in the crowd. Judo Master is on
Speaker 1: the roof with some sort of tranquilizer sniper rifle, and
Speaker 1: they see Chris approaching. And the way Chris is approaching
Speaker 1: tells you that he knows.
Speaker 2: That there's something's up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like creeping behind people. He is like weaving
Speaker 1: in and out of crowds. Senior tells Judo Master take
Speaker 1: the first available shot. Chris comes up, sits next to Harcourt,
Speaker 1: takes her little lave of mic, throws it away, then
Speaker 1: switches seats with her so that she's in between Judo
Speaker 1: Master and and him. And we learned that Harcourt learned
Speaker 1: had warned Chris. She used a very specific word in
Speaker 1: their conversation that let him know that something's wrong.
Speaker 4: It's a trap.
Speaker 1: But Chris showed up anyway, and Hardcourt's and curiated is
Speaker 1: like why did why are you here? Like what are
Speaker 1: you doing here? And he's like, I want to know
Speaker 1: if it meant anything, And so clearly there was quite
Speaker 1: a serious hookup. Which we've which we knew beforehand, but
Speaker 1: now we're getting more of the outline.
Speaker 3: Feels yeah, it feels more like this is clearly something
Speaker 3: that for some reason Chris is like focusing on. This
Speaker 3: is this idea of being with Hawk call this pet
Speaker 3: Henshawl for a romance.
Speaker 1: So she's trying to show him away. He just wants
Speaker 1: to know, like, did you ever have feelings for me? Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Argus is moving in to like block all the exits
Speaker 1: into him and Chris. All the while Harcourt is just
Speaker 1: like peeling Chris's ass about I never cared about you.
Speaker 1: It meant nothing. Get out of here. You're a fucking idiot.
Speaker 1: I wish that had never happened, whatever it was. And
Speaker 1: as for Rick Flegg Junior, which Chris is very interested in, like,
Speaker 1: so what was going on with Junior? Like, what's the
Speaker 1: deal with him? Was that the issue? Did you have
Speaker 1: feelings for him? She's like, listen, Junior was only ever
Speaker 1: a friend?
Speaker 2: Why this woman? Man? What the heck?
Speaker 1: Why lie about that?
Speaker 2: Why lie? I don't get it.
Speaker 5: I'm like, especially because it's about the time is about
Speaker 5: to come up, and says when it comes to Junior,
Speaker 5: so not a great idea, but she's not making a
Speaker 5: lot of choices this yet.
Speaker 1: I completely agree. Argus finally moves in. Chris is surrounded,
Speaker 1: Bordeaux is prepping to kill Chris, and Harcourt, hearing this
Speaker 1: over the radio, runs in blocks the shot, chokes out
Speaker 1: Chris and saves his life. Back at the cabin, Adamo
Speaker 1: gets a call about her ad in Modern Soldier, and
Speaker 1: it seems like the caller is mostly interested in the
Speaker 1: ad because of the unrealistic art depicting herself, which she
Speaker 1: is now telling the guy, Yes, that's me in the ad. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: this funny shadow. He then asks for Greek, which is
Speaker 1: we're but we learn what it is. But my first
Speaker 1: reaction was, that's like a boomer term for anal.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, because I know spotts or something like. But yes,
Speaker 2: I and then that is confirmed.
Speaker 1: Absolutely confirmed, and that is oh man, this there's an author.
Speaker 1: I first read about this term from an author in
Speaker 1: a book by an author who's like the knockoff Stephen
Speaker 1: King of the eighties. Anyway, I forget the guy's Dean
Speaker 1: Dean Koots I big, I love listen, I absolutely love
Speaker 1: d kods, read a lot of books. I recorded Stephen
Speaker 1: King books and that's where I first encountered the term
Speaker 1: Greek anyway, and is very psyched that she's got a
Speaker 1: customer now. But VI is like, oh, yeah, no, you
Speaker 1: were having a prostitution conversation. Yeah the guy, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what that was.
Speaker 2: I do This is a great season so far.
Speaker 3: Not enough Vigilante like this is this is my not
Speaker 3: so funny And every time he comes in he adds
Speaker 3: so much. He's so engaging. It's such a great performance
Speaker 3: by Freddy Stromer.
Speaker 2: I am sing him.
Speaker 3: So I'm hoping. Yeah, lost three seat episodes, we get more.
Speaker 1: At a Bio and and Vigilanta. I'd say both of them.
Speaker 4: I leave.
Speaker 1: I feel like every episode at is gonna.
Speaker 2: I feel like be a key pop seeing is why
Speaker 2: we leave this.
Speaker 1: So back at Argust, Harcourt and Bordeaux like bicker about
Speaker 1: the arrest, like what the fuck was that? What the
Speaker 1: fuck was that? I'm doing my fucking job, blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Chris greets economists as he leads is
Speaker 1: led past his little cubicle and cuffs. Harcourt pulls economists
Speaker 1: aside and is like, listen, he's an economists, is like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe you betrayed the eleven Street Kids and Chris,
Speaker 1: and she's like, She's like, uh yeah. She's like I
Speaker 1: tried to warn him, but he fucking showed up because
Speaker 1: he's an idiot. And then Economist is like she's and
Speaker 1: then she's like, what's the deal with with her with Bordeaux?
Speaker 1: And he's like that this board bitch is is a cyborg.
Speaker 1: We learn Oh, Harcourt is scared that Senior is going
Speaker 1: to kill Chris and then throw his body at a dumpstir,
Speaker 1: which is clearly what he's planning to do. So she's like, listen,
Speaker 1: you need to put him into the booking system so
Speaker 1: that he can't be disappeared. Meanwhile, we get some very
Speaker 1: humorous clips of Red Saint Wild out in the woods
Speaker 1: hunting Egaly, which is probably the biggest reveal of the
Speaker 1: entire episode of what happens in that PI Oh Yeah
Speaker 1: Crazy has Chris in the interrogation room. He clears the room,
Speaker 1: he turns off the cameras. He's like, everybody, get out
Speaker 1: of here. I gotta deal with this interrogation myself. He
Speaker 1: then starts to beat the shit out of Chris as
Speaker 1: he's tied to a chair, throw him around the room,
Speaker 1: kick him in the head, step on his neck, the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Chris is trying to apologize. Meanwhile, Economists is
Speaker 1: out there and he finally puts Chris in the booking system.
Speaker 1: Bored Bordeaux sees it pop up and is like, what
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing? And Econos is like very
Speaker 1: funny lines. He's like, well, I don't know share, I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to save people busy work.
Speaker 2: Also, it is the law, the law, It's the law.
Speaker 1: Flurry very surprisingly, and I love this turn for this
Speaker 1: character is like, good job, man, that's the right.
Speaker 2: Thing to do. Dude.
Speaker 3: I know, I love Flurry and Economists together so much.
Speaker 5: I'm like, we need this friendship to continue.
Speaker 1: Borgeau goes into the interrogation room where like interrupting Senior
Speaker 1: as he's like mid extinguishing Chris's life, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like very please police brutality situation, going on to tell.
Speaker 1: Him listen, so Chris has been booked, so you gotta
Speaker 1: stop killing him now. Meanwhile, Eaglely drops down to eat
Speaker 1: a rat that Saint Wilde has poisoned, but he's interrupted
Speaker 1: by ad and Vigilante going to like try to rescue
Speaker 1: Chris from Argus, and immediately after that, after they come
Speaker 1: out of the house, a fox shows up steals a rat.
Speaker 1: There's a chase. The fox eventually eats the rat and dies,
Speaker 1: and Eaglely is like, uh oh, somebody's trying to kill me.
Speaker 1: Saint Wild then decides that it's time for literally the
Speaker 1: big guns. It's like literally a huge gun. Then he
Speaker 1: takes out of like a case. Argus has to release Chris,
Speaker 1: which I didn't think. Listen, if you're willing to go
Speaker 1: this far now you have to release him because but fine, fine, yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like it's like, okay, so you have an illegal
Speaker 1: like toss boss X type situation.
Speaker 3: Also like if somebody gets book who has superpowers, you
Speaker 3: have to let I don't know about that, but sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I let it go.
Speaker 4: Let it go.
Speaker 1: Economists is helping Chris, who is really really in a
Speaker 1: bad way to adds cars. Judo Master watches from the
Speaker 1: nearby woods, and Judo Master follows them as they as
Speaker 1: they leave Bordeau, then talks to Senior about what's happening today.
Speaker 1: Crazy day at the office clearly, and Senior is like, listen, I.
Speaker 2: Don't want to kill Chris.
Speaker 1: What No, this is about the dimensional rift.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, which we all.
Speaker 1: Know from seeing Superman is a really that's important. It's
Speaker 1: a big, big deal. Meanwhile, as this is occurring, Bordeaux flirting.
Speaker 2: With Senior death Ban Nutlee.
Speaker 3: She's liked no question, no, no, no, Like all I
Speaker 3: was thinking about was, you know, like the princess, like
Speaker 3: SENI is obviously his reputation precedes him, like he is
Speaker 3: obviously like his son.
Speaker 1: I love a man, Yes he is. He is a
Speaker 1: fan of the women folk. And meanwhile, at Bio doesn't
Speaker 1: believe Hardcourt, a fellow's eleventh streat kid, could have betrayed
Speaker 1: them and Chris, which Chris is telling her, Yeah, she
Speaker 1: she dimed me out. She like lured me to a trap.
Speaker 1: She'd warned me it was a trap, but I showed
Speaker 1: up anyway. Yeah yeah, And Chris is like, listen, I
Speaker 1: don't care what her reasons are. Whatever the reasons are,
Speaker 1: I am done with her. Left unspoken of course, is
Speaker 1: like I've got a better hard Court, Yes, exactly, forget
Speaker 1: this one. I've got the perfect one. So meanwhile, in
Speaker 1: the woods State, Wilde takes aim with his big He misses,
Speaker 1: but his second shot finds the mark and Eagerly or
Speaker 1: an eagle fall to the ground.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I'm very excited to talk more about Eagly
Speaker 3: which question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So meanwhile, Chris added Vigilante. They get back
Speaker 1: to the cabin, Chris Chris asks them to leave him
Speaker 1: alone because he's like, I need some privacy. Just leave
Speaker 1: me alone here at the cabin. He's limping very you know,
Speaker 1: very badly. He whistles for Eaglely as Judo Master watches
Speaker 1: from the woods, but is eagerly dead.
Speaker 2: No, it's a different eagle, different different eagle.
Speaker 1: Saint Wild goes to the corpse of the eagle, but
Speaker 1: then is attacked by one, two, three, four, five, twelve
Speaker 1: twenty eagles who are now surrounding him. As Eaglely the
Speaker 1: true prime Eagle, we just go the actual prime Eagle
Speaker 1: of legend then orders the eagles to like kill this guy,
Speaker 1: and they just tear him to mince back as he
Speaker 1: cries tears of regret forever having wronged the prime Prime.
Speaker 2: You know what, I love Michael Worcok.
Speaker 3: This man, he can do the craziest shit like this
Speaker 3: is such a funny Wild role. I would love to
Speaker 3: be a friend of a director like this, who's like,
Speaker 3: just come in and play like the craziest role possible.
Speaker 2: And I know you're gonna ea up.
Speaker 1: Chris Uh writes a goodbye letter to his friends, addressed
Speaker 1: mainly to Addebio, but it's of course to everybody. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Judah Master calls Fleury and is like, hey, I got him,
Speaker 1: Like he's here and he's alone. We should move in.
Speaker 1: Juda Master says uh, and but and Fleury like calls
Speaker 1: Juda Master Duncan Munchkins as his nickname, as he has
Speaker 1: nicknames for everybody, and Juda Master says, listen, if you
Speaker 1: call me that again, I will actually, in reality tear
Speaker 1: off your penis. So then Fleury's like, okay, sorry, Juda
Speaker 1: Master Uh and then hangs up, and as he like
Speaker 1: looks off after hanging off hanging up, looks across the office,
Speaker 1: he sees in a conference Senior and Bordeaux like it's
Speaker 1: like she's got her hand on his shoulder. She's kind
Speaker 1: of like rubbing the shoulder. Senior is like glow smiling
Speaker 1: at her like it's happening, and Fleury then interrupts them
Speaker 1: to tell them I have a location for the peacemaker
Speaker 1: eaglely brings one of Saint Wild's I thought it was
Speaker 1: a penis at first, and it's thank god, it's one
Speaker 1: of his fingers. He brings one of Saint Wild's fingers
Speaker 1: to Chris, and Chris is like, okay, he has no
Speaker 1: almost no reaction all. Chris texts ad goodbye, goes to
Speaker 1: the portal, goes inside, prepares the alien handbag basically to
Speaker 1: close it behind him. Eglia and Chris then step inside
Speaker 1: as Judo Master watch is mesmerized. And this is the
Speaker 1: first time I really noticed that this is clearly like
Speaker 1: the the speed force.
Speaker 3: Like the type of slash, similar kind of polly. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what do they call it, the cosmic treadmill or something,
Speaker 3: the cosmic Yes like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really good stuff.
Speaker 1: So Judah Master calls Flurry, but there's too much interference
Speaker 1: from the interdimensional portal, so he follows Chris inside the
Speaker 1: portal just as it closes. And now so Chris Eagerly
Speaker 1: and Judo Master are in this dimensional Grand Central Station
Speaker 1: and at a Bio and Vig arrived back at the cabin.
Speaker 1: But they realize that, you know, the portal's closed, and
Speaker 1: that Judah Master was there. They know, and they then
Speaker 1: leave the cabin, but before they go, at a bio
Speaker 1: finds a good bye letter and she's like, Okay, we
Speaker 1: got to get everybody together, includes Hardcourt, everybody, and we
Speaker 1: got to figure this out. Chris is in the Perfect Universe.
Speaker 1: He's taking a shower. He's like having fun and you know,
Speaker 1: he's just looking around like his room now. He's like,
Speaker 1: this was like a getaway before, but now it's real.
Speaker 1: This is his his life. This is his life now.
Speaker 1: And his brother, Captain Triumph comes in and is like,
Speaker 1: we've got to Kaiju call, we gotta go do this.
Speaker 1: What's up with the Eagle? And Chris is like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is just a you know, runaway eagle that I've found.
Speaker 1: His name's Eaglely just so good.
Speaker 2: I just feel like this season. I feel like season
Speaker 2: one A Piece Maker was good. I know people loved it.
Speaker 3: I feel like it was working out a lot of
Speaker 3: the kinks and also existing in a pre Superman James
Speaker 3: Gun universe world. I feel like this has really come
Speaker 3: in with a second season where just tonally, everything is
Speaker 3: so good that it's so funny, every joke is sharp.
Speaker 3: I love I know Fleury is a controversial character, but
Speaker 3: I just love tim Meadows, and I'm loving that. This
Speaker 3: feels like it's kind of setting up him to truly
Speaker 3: be an ally to Chris, which I think is what
Speaker 3: he always wanted, is to be an ally to economists
Speaker 3: and Chris, and.
Speaker 1: I like his turn. Yeah. At another location, Ad reads
Speaker 1: the letter to all of them, and basically Chris is
Speaker 1: telling them when he's he's going to the other dimension
Speaker 1: to be with that version of Harcourt and to be
Speaker 1: the best version of himself. He doesn't belong in this world.
Speaker 1: He's not having fun here does. He feels that it's
Speaker 1: not the right place for him, and in fact, the
Speaker 1: world is turned against him. He wants them, therefore, to
Speaker 1: take the he's left them the portal controls. He says, Hey,
Speaker 1: take this to Argus, turn it over to them so
Speaker 1: that you can all get your jobs back and get
Speaker 1: promoted and have success in your careers, which is clearly
Speaker 1: all you care about. Harcourt Vigilante is like fucking hard, crying,
Speaker 1: like ugly, he's so sad. At A Bio is like, okay,
Speaker 1: well we got to go and get him, and she's like, okay,
Speaker 1: I've seen how this thing is used. You like, line
Speaker 1: up these little pegs and it's like a board game.
Speaker 1: Harcourt says, well, we can't use it here in town.
Speaker 1: We have to go like to someplace remote because you
Speaker 1: know the energy you released. Yeah, yeah yeah. Meanwhile, we
Speaker 1: see post Kaiju battle. Chris with the remnants of the
Speaker 1: Kaiju like on his uniform, walks into Argus. Harcourt is there.
Speaker 1: She sees him, her face lights up, she embraces him,
Speaker 1: and we go to the credits.
Speaker 2: Crazy.
Speaker 1: That is the end. That is the end of this episode.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break, after which we will bring
Speaker 1: in Super Preducer and we will talk about this and
Speaker 1: we're back. Welcome you into the programming in how are you?
Speaker 4: Another great episode this season is it's been very far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Very consistent. Yeah, very consistent in tone
Speaker 1: and in pace.
Speaker 2: And in everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tell us your what's your your thoughts on this episode?
Speaker 4: So overall I liked the episode. This definitely felt more
Speaker 4: of like a set up episode for you know, the
Speaker 4: three final episodes. And you guys touch on some points
Speaker 4: that I had written in my notes as well. So
Speaker 4: I think to the point that you guys are making
Speaker 4: about Vigilanti and out of Bio, I do think this
Speaker 4: is setting them up to have a major role in
Speaker 4: these finals, and that in the alternate dimension. You know,
Speaker 4: they're clearly going to follow Chris into this alternate dimension.
Speaker 4: So that's gonna be an issue when Out of Bio
Speaker 4: walks into this white supremacist, racist world. So I think
Speaker 4: that could be the impetus for you know, Chris realizing, oh,
Speaker 4: this is fucked up. I need to save my friend
Speaker 4: or something like that. You know that he's going to
Speaker 4: have this kind of reckoning or realization moment that this
Speaker 4: place isn't as great as I thought it was. Out
Speaker 4: of Bio is my best friend. I got to protect her.
Speaker 4: I gotta save her. So I think that something is
Speaker 4: going to happen with that.
Speaker 1: I think what's gonna happen is Flurry is going to
Speaker 1: die in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that, Like he's gotta go. They can't
Speaker 2: keep him medals for too long. He's too powerful.
Speaker 4: Also, like Judo Master probably gonna get.
Speaker 2: He's gonna get sucked up.
Speaker 3: But I also think that season one they were trying
Speaker 3: to trying to play on the a little bit on
Speaker 3: like the racist origins of Judo Master. They've had him
Speaker 3: always kind of come back and always actually like kind
Speaker 3: of survive whatever everyone's trying. He got shot, Yeah, so
Speaker 3: I'm fingers crossed he's not gonna die, but I do
Speaker 3: think he's gonna get fucked up extensively. I also think
Speaker 3: this will potentially finally be the moment that Judo Master
Speaker 3: becomes part of the Eleventh Street Kids, that is, if.
Speaker 2: That is something.
Speaker 3: I also think that if you remember, like in the
Speaker 3: first season, Vigilante has like some really famous moments where
Speaker 3: he's just like roasting.
Speaker 2: The Klan, roasting the Nazis.
Speaker 3: Like, I think that him and Ads going in there
Speaker 3: together is gonna make a lot of sense. Also, Vigilante's
Speaker 3: power is like he sucks at everything, but he's like
Speaker 3: the best like one percent.
Speaker 2: Of killing people.
Speaker 3: So I'm assuming we'll get some kind of crazy like
Speaker 3: twenty minute kind of like violent death sequence. Fingers crossed
Speaker 3: are the big Okay, let's talk about Sasha, because this
Speaker 3: was something where it's like, didn't want to bring it
Speaker 3: up in case they didn't deliver on it. But she
Speaker 3: is a cyborg, and I also think this is really
Speaker 3: interesting because she if they follow the comics with her,
Speaker 3: she's Greg Rucker and Sean Martin broke Creation and she
Speaker 3: was basically in their detective comics run in like the
Speaker 3: early two thousands. Two thousand, No, yeah, I think it
Speaker 3: was actually the end of two thousand. Anna basically like
Speaker 3: Lucia's Fox hires her to be security for Wayne Enterprises,
Speaker 3: but she keeps realizing that something dodges going on with
Speaker 3: Bruce Wayne and becomes like an unexpected antagonist. So she's
Speaker 3: kind of like super smart. She knows everything that's going down.
Speaker 3: James Gunn has said that she may work with Batman
Speaker 3: in this universe, which makes sense because we haven't really
Speaker 3: gotten We don't know what the Batman is going to be.
Speaker 3: We don't know what the Lucius Fox situation here is
Speaker 3: gonna be. But yeah, very very interesting here. Also we
Speaker 3: know that James's brother Sean is playing Maxwell Lord.
Speaker 2: She has connections to.
Speaker 3: Him, but generally just a unexpected another classic deep kind
Speaker 3: of deep dive situation because she has also like got
Speaker 3: connections to the League.
Speaker 2: Of Shadows like she is.
Speaker 3: There's like potential with Blue Beetle, but that depends if
Speaker 3: what version of Max my Lord we're getting. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I think it's I think this is really interesting and
Speaker 3: I would like to see the.
Speaker 2: Version that, like the original version of.
Speaker 3: Her, the cyborg is like super cool stylized kind of
Speaker 3: different look of almost a Tetsuo Iron Man, kind of
Speaker 3: like you know, like bit wires coming out of her
Speaker 3: arms and stuff. So yeah, I would I would like to.
Speaker 3: I would like to see where that's gonna go. And
Speaker 3: I feel like, as we've seen how ingrained the Peacemaker
Speaker 3: world is in the Superman world, I don't think any
Speaker 3: of this stuff is like MCU style, not going to
Speaker 3: pay off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, so see her with these choices for sure.
Speaker 3: Do you think we'll see how Cyborg out in the
Speaker 3: last three episodes or do you think they'll save it.
Speaker 4: I think we're gonna see a little bit more of it,
Speaker 4: because you know, I think they were very intentional in
Speaker 4: waiting until this episode to show us that she is
Speaker 4: a cyborg. So I think she's gonna use her powers
Speaker 4: or abilities in some capacity I think in these final
Speaker 4: three episodes.
Speaker 3: Okay, I also have another question for you guys. So
Speaker 3: we know that Peacemaker in the Perfect World didn't have
Speaker 3: an Eaglely, right, but we are also dealing with the
Speaker 3: fact that the Eaglely this season is like super powered
Speaker 3: up compared to the Eaglely last season, and everyone's kind
Speaker 3: of like, well, why wouldn't it Eagerly helped out when
Speaker 3: in the first episode, piece Maker has Eagerly fly around
Speaker 3: the dimensional handbag kind of terminal, and then he calls
Speaker 3: him back and Eagerly follows him out.
Speaker 2: Is it an Eagerly from a different dimension?
Speaker 1: Oh oh, because I think I'm gonna say, I'm I
Speaker 1: like the idea that it's not, and it could be
Speaker 1: like the primal Eagle is kind of an evolution.
Speaker 3: But I am also interested because we did see Eagerly
Speaker 3: leave the viewpoint Chris couldn't find him having come back,
Speaker 3: So I'm interested to see where that goes because this
Speaker 3: Eagerly is a big step up, but it's also just
Speaker 3: so much fun and they probably had a bigger budget.
Speaker 2: So I also wonder if it's not narrative.
Speaker 1: My feeling is that it's not another Egle because it's
Speaker 1: been it's kind of been established that, like at least
Speaker 1: your your cell phone wouldn't work, and it different dimension.
Speaker 1: So I'm not sure that your powers which tie you
Speaker 1: to the natural, like if your powers derived from a
Speaker 1: specific Earth, it doesn't track for me that then your
Speaker 1: powers would work on a different earth.
Speaker 2: I like that a lot. That's a very good like.
Speaker 3: I like the kind of natural logic in the way
Speaker 3: that we're thinking about the connecting tissue of what gives
Speaker 3: people powers.
Speaker 2: That is a really cool take.
Speaker 3: Okay, Ian craziest, give us your most expected theory of
Speaker 3: what happens in the next three and then your craziest
Speaker 3: theory of what happens in.
Speaker 4: The next I think my most expected is I think
Speaker 4: we're going to see Superman, but maybe instead of just
Speaker 4: like our normal Superman, maybe it's like an evil Nazi Superman.
Speaker 4: If he'd be interesting because like we haven't really seen
Speaker 4: any other heroes from this other universe and so.
Speaker 3: They did in just this style super exactly. I think
Speaker 3: that would be crazy.
Speaker 4: That's I've been thinking about it more, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: just having like David corn Sweat show up at the
Speaker 4: end to like save everybody's kind of boring. We have
Speaker 4: this alternate universe, there's an opportunity to do something a
Speaker 4: little more fun there, So yeah, what if we get
Speaker 4: like an evil alt Superman in this other dimension or something.
Speaker 4: And then another theory that I was thinking about, going
Speaker 4: back to Vigilante several times throughout this season he's said like, Oh,
Speaker 4: I wonder if there's another me over there. I can't
Speaker 4: wait to meet another version of myself. So I was thinking, like,
Speaker 4: what if we see like an even more fucked up,
Speaker 4: like super evil version of Vigilante in this other dimension.
Speaker 4: Maybe him and our vig have to do get out,
Speaker 4: Maybe our Adrian dies. I don't know, because I think
Speaker 4: they're setting him up to have some big role. I
Speaker 4: think in these last episodes, because he hasn't done anything
Speaker 4: all season, maybe he has to sacrifice himself to save
Speaker 4: the rest of the team or something. Yeah, So I
Speaker 4: think that's another guess our theory I'm thrown out there.
Speaker 3: I think another thing that would be interesting with the
Speaker 3: is like if the vig In that they see in
Speaker 3: the other world is like incredibly efficient and like not
Speaker 3: a dumb cough, you know, Like it's like he's like
Speaker 3: kind of he seems normal, but he is that more
Speaker 3: deranged kind of thing. Jason, what would your biggest, like
Speaker 3: big swing theory be that you'd love to see them
Speaker 3: kind of try and pull off.
Speaker 1: I agree with the I agree with Ian that I
Speaker 1: think that they are we're going to see, we're going
Speaker 1: to understand when we meet that universus Superman why they
Speaker 1: are not. Actually, I'm going to go the other way
Speaker 1: because I think that it's too early for Evil Superman.
Speaker 2: We did.
Speaker 1: Superman is not even a year in the theaters or
Speaker 1: like in the world and Mayaro Bugeon already, and I
Speaker 1: think it's too I think it muddies the water's too
Speaker 1: much to have a fully Homeland or Superman. And I
Speaker 1: think what we're going to discover, Remember, they're the top
Speaker 1: trio in there. Why because the other superheroes are either
Speaker 1: dead or they their powers suck, you know, not good enough.
Speaker 2: To be so funny to see like enough Superman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think it's going to be some version
Speaker 1: of that, Like we're going to find the whatever, the
Speaker 1: Justice Gang, the Justice League, the j l A, the
Speaker 1: whatever team in there in that universe. But we're also
Speaker 1: going to discover why it is Chris, his dad, and
Speaker 1: his brother who are the only mainline heroes because everybody
Speaker 1: else is either incompetent or have very power.
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, like if that power is enough. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: really hope that they deliver on the promise of because
Speaker 3: I think, like Ian, you would definitely the first person
Speaker 3: I had to pose that everybody white theory, and I
Speaker 3: feel like it has really picked up on the Internet
Speaker 3: and multiple different outlets are reporting it. I think it's
Speaker 3: such a strong route for them to go, and once
Speaker 3: again shows James Gunn having depth when he utilizes a
Speaker 3: character like White Dragon that could be not thoughtfully done.
Speaker 2: I really my biggest swing I want them to do
Speaker 2: is I just want them to commit, and I want that.
Speaker 3: To be what is wrong with the world and I
Speaker 3: want to see how Ads and Peacemaker and Vig and
Speaker 3: everyone have to deal with that. But also I'm also
Speaker 3: interested where does Harcourt go? That's my feeling because she
Speaker 3: wants to go and save Chris.
Speaker 2: Right, So I wanted to talk about some feeling.
Speaker 3: So could you talk a little bit about im where
Speaker 3: you think Amelia Harcourt is going to go?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Because so that was one of the questions I
Speaker 4: was asking myself to watching this episode and reflecting on
Speaker 4: the season, like do we think she actually has romantic
Speaker 4: feelings for Chris? And I think it's pretty obvious yes,
Speaker 4: or at least she cares about him in some capacity.
Speaker 4: She's tried to save him, tries to help him throughout
Speaker 4: the season, you know, having a commost book him so
Speaker 4: he doesn't get disappeared, you know, taking him out before
Speaker 4: Bodou and Bordeaux can get the shot off, which actually
Speaker 4: we learn apparently Rick Flagg Senior like kind of was
Speaker 4: playing forty chaces, like, oh I knew she yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: But I think the guilt she feels over Rick Flagg
Speaker 4: Junior's death is weighing so heavily on her that she
Speaker 4: won't allow herself to, you know, have these feelings for Chris,
Speaker 4: and I think she's kind of that's what she's been
Speaker 4: wrestling with this whole season because and clearly I think
Speaker 4: Rick Flagg Senior knows that it is playing into that
Speaker 4: guilt very heavily to manipulate her.
Speaker 2: So I think, yeah, I go for an.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think, you know, in making this decision
Speaker 4: to like, fuck it, let's go save Chris, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe she sees her alternate version of herself that is
Speaker 4: clearly much happier, less jaded, and like is in love
Speaker 4: with Chris, wants to be with him. Maybe that'll be
Speaker 4: like kind of an AHA moment for her. I don't know,
Speaker 4: it'd be interesting to see what happens there.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm going to pitch a different angle, which I
Speaker 3: do think she has feelings for Chris. I also think
Speaker 3: that they're doing actually a very good job this season
Speaker 3: of showing what it's like when someone is in like
Speaker 3: a self saboteur mode and they just want to fucking
Speaker 3: destroy their life because they're really unhappy and feel really bad.
Speaker 3: I think that's actually been done very interestingly. I also
Speaker 3: think that that part of the reason that she can't
Speaker 3: commit to Chris is like Chris just loves her and
Speaker 3: is nice and is not having an affair and is
Speaker 3: not treating her as if she's like a second option.
Speaker 4: Or it's too good.
Speaker 2: It's too good. She doesn't feel like she's worthy of it.
Speaker 3: But my second pitch that I think in the other world,
Speaker 3: I think, and maybe i'm you know, gen V pilled
Speaker 3: as we know I'm a big Gen B fan, But yes,
Speaker 3: there is a I did think there was some interesting
Speaker 3: if they were doing there about like trad wifs in
Speaker 3: Superman and super superheroic culture, and I would be interested
Speaker 3: to know if when she goes there, her first read
Speaker 3: Ian is like, oh, wow, they're happy here, but then
Speaker 3: we learn like everyone else. Maybe the reason she's being
Speaker 3: passionate about is because these are the three biggest super
Speaker 3: villains in the world and they're gonna fucking like kill
Speaker 3: you if you don't date their son. You know. I
Speaker 3: wonder if there's I wonder if our Hardcourt kind of
Speaker 3: sees her and it first looks at that and then
Speaker 3: realizes like, oh no.
Speaker 2: This is a bad situation.
Speaker 3: Because also we're going to get the three I'm guessing
Speaker 3: all three episodes are going to have to be in
Speaker 3: this other universe that.
Speaker 4: Fears I would imagine, So, yeah, it happens. Climax.
Speaker 2: Also, kid you check in that was definitely like a
Speaker 2: similar or the same from Superman. Right, yeah, so again,
Speaker 2: use some of those assets, reused some of those assets.
Speaker 2: Very clever. Also, what does this mean?
Speaker 3: I want? I think something I would love by the
Speaker 3: end of this season is to know what these dimensional
Speaker 3: rifts and multi verses mean to James Gunn's DC universe,
Speaker 3: because currently it makes sense to continue it from Superman,
Speaker 3: but we need to know what the impact is and
Speaker 3: how many worlds are there and why does it I mean,
Speaker 3: we know there's ninety nine doors in this place, but
Speaker 3: I just I would love to have a little bit
Speaker 3: of closure, but not closing a door on a story.
Speaker 3: Closure of this is how it's going to impact what
Speaker 3: we have going forward.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about the Rick flag Bordeaux situation. So
Speaker 1: I think we're heading towards a place where Hardcourt and
Speaker 1: Bordeaux are gonna fight. Oh yeah, I think we're heading
Speaker 1: towards a place where Rick Flagg is going to have
Speaker 1: to decide whether his statement that you're always going to
Speaker 1: be part of the family is actually going to hold
Speaker 1: because I think Bordeaux is gonna maybe have an opportunity
Speaker 1: to snuff out Harcore. But where do we think we're
Speaker 1: going with that? And I also love I just love
Speaker 1: that that they're continuing as you know, yeah Rick, I
Speaker 1: love that when they were continuing that theme from Rick.
Speaker 2: Also, Okay, what about this? This is I would say
Speaker 2: this is a very specific to this being in peace
Speaker 2: make a world. But Senior and Hawkour, I mean, it
Speaker 2: wouldn't be the craziest thing. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: I think he's to happen, but I think he's probably
Speaker 3: considered it.
Speaker 1: Well, here's I think Rick Senior. I don't think he would.
Speaker 1: I think he's considerate clearly. I think he's like Consuys
Speaker 1: and obviously he's devastated that his son is gone, but
Speaker 1: he's also thinking who's keeping her warman, you know, like
Speaker 1: she must act and I'm here and so together.
Speaker 6: That is actually such a crazy that would be so
Speaker 6: funny if that was the end game of this season
Speaker 6: and like that's the two people that end together and
Speaker 6: Chris is just stuck, like still not.
Speaker 4: But where do where do.
Speaker 1: We leave Rick Flag at the end of this season?
Speaker 3: I think he's an ally by the end. I think
Speaker 3: he's on the side of the Eleventh Street kids.
Speaker 2: I don't know how we.
Speaker 3: Deal with the fact that the way Chris killed Rick
Speaker 3: Flagg Junior is like it's so brutal, it's so heartbreaking,
Speaker 3: it's horrible because Rick was finally going to do the
Speaker 3: right thing, Like I think it's going to be hot.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like, do you remember when I know
Speaker 2: the answer this is going to be yes?
Speaker 3: When famous British martial artists Jason Statham joined the Fantastic,
Speaker 3: The Fast and Furious franchise and killed Han right, and
Speaker 3: then you had to bring back Hahn because everyone was like, well,
Speaker 3: I will never like this.
Speaker 2: Jason Statham character.
Speaker 3: Sure if Han is not actually alive and it was
Speaker 3: all faked out. So I think we're in an interesting
Speaker 3: situation there where obviously Rick Flagg Junior is not still alive.
Speaker 3: He is dead, But we're gonna have to get to
Speaker 3: a place where Senior has forgiven that and moved on
Speaker 3: and kind of they have to just get over it,
Speaker 3: because that's the nature of the job, I think, is
Speaker 3: where we're gonna have to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think ultimately all of our characters that are
Speaker 4: in play are going to end up in this alternate dimension.
Speaker 4: I think there's gonna be an initial scuffle or fight
Speaker 4: or something, but I think eventually they're all going to
Speaker 4: have to work together to get out of there, to
Speaker 4: get back home. And I think in doing that or
Speaker 4: through that process, maybe Chris and Senior will come to
Speaker 4: some understanding, because you know, the whole time where Rick
Speaker 4: Flagg was beating the shit out of him, Chris didn't
Speaker 4: fight back. He was apologizing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he knew I respected.
Speaker 4: Your son, sir, like you know, I'm sorry, I was
Speaker 4: just following orders. Your son was a hero, he was
Speaker 4: a better man than me. All this stuff. So maybe
Speaker 4: you know, Chris Will might be able to win him
Speaker 4: over or earn ray Flagg's respect in some regard or
Speaker 4: in some way throughout the rest of these last three episodes.
Speaker 3: Classic he could save Senia's life and then Senia is like, well,
Speaker 3: I can't kill you now, Like I don't like it,
Speaker 3: but you saved my life, so I'm not you know,
Speaker 3: we're equal, we're.
Speaker 4: Even, yeah, or we're even.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, I want to see these lost three episodes
Speaker 2: so badly. It's gonna have.
Speaker 1: One thing. Obviously, I'm loving the will they won't they
Speaker 1: with Chris and Harcourt. I think it's such an important
Speaker 1: driver to the show, and I'm left almost feeling like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a classic problem in TV writing, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you want to extend this as long as possible because
Speaker 1: once they do get together energy and it's the Pam
Speaker 1: and Jim problem right now.
Speaker 2: You have to do that.
Speaker 1: You have to introduce problems into the relationship. And if
Speaker 1: you do that now you're gonna split the audience.
Speaker 3: There's sports betting app don't bring it in. Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: gotta be there's gotta be something. So my question Hardcourt
Speaker 3: and Chris do they get together at the end of
Speaker 3: this season?
Speaker 1: End if they do just one of them and it
Speaker 1: has to be hardcore, do we find a way to
Speaker 1: break them up after they get together, by either death
Speaker 1: or something else trapping her in the other age.
Speaker 3: I feel like she's a big part of the the world.
Speaker 2: I feel like James Gunn is gonna want to keep her.
Speaker 3: We could always see a Hardcourt switcheroo where the messed
Speaker 3: up self Sabato Hardcourt ends up stet in the universe
Speaker 3: and the other Hardcore comes out. Could give her a
Speaker 3: different kind of vibe, a different performance to play into
Speaker 3: into season three. But Jason, I think you're right. I
Speaker 3: don't think that they can have Chris. I don't think
Speaker 3: they can just have Chris and Emilia be happy and
Speaker 3: that not completely changed the tone of the show, because
Speaker 3: also what would that look like?
Speaker 2: They'll have to say. James Gunn is a pretty deep person.
Speaker 3: He has also like been through recovery and stuff like
Speaker 3: that I believe in like and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So maybe he has a really insightful, thoughtful third season
Speaker 3: where a subplot is about how two people who are
Speaker 3: really fucked up try and be in a healthy relationship.
Speaker 2: That could be interesting.
Speaker 4: I could see that for sure, but yeah, I'm intrigued.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to fire his wife though,
Speaker 4: it's like.
Speaker 2: She's exactly.
Speaker 1: Well no, but she'll be in the show, but they
Speaker 1: just will figure Yeah. So I'm also left feeling like
Speaker 1: this when they close that portal, somebody's got to get trapped.
Speaker 1: Somebody's got to be the person who's like, get out
Speaker 1: of here.
Speaker 4: I'm yes, yeah, I think think Vigilante is my top choice.
Speaker 1: We need a we do need a death, Okay, Vigilante, Rosie,
Speaker 1: who do you think?
Speaker 3: I think this show, originally in season one, started with
Speaker 3: an in character and a protagonist in Ads, and I
Speaker 3: do think there is a chance that after everything, Ads
Speaker 3: could be like the hero. And then season three is
Speaker 3: you have to get Ads back from this crazy world,
Speaker 3: especially if it's the world that we know. But I
Speaker 3: think Vigilante. I feel like that could be a great
Speaker 3: character arc for her. But I feel like Vigilante or
Speaker 3: Judo Master or Flurry are all interesting options.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be eagerly.
Speaker 3: Oh man. But you know what, that's actually a great point, Jason,
Speaker 3: because that could be why they've made him so ope,
Speaker 3: because if you know he's gonna die at the end
Speaker 3: or sacrifice himself, and also that would lead into an
Speaker 3: incredible reunion if some how he managed to get back
Speaker 3: for season three.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't wait to see how this ends. I
Speaker 1: think we all feel the same way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a season?
Speaker 1: What a season. On the next episode of X ray Vision,
Speaker 1: we're diving.
Speaker 2: Into stuff, stuff stuff.
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