WEBVTT - S1: E17 – Murder on the Parkway, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Marshall was an upscale problem gambler. He and his

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<v Speaker 1>wife Maria had spent the evening in Atlantic City. They

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<v Speaker 1>were on their way home. There was a problem with

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<v Speaker 1>us tire. He stopped at arrestop and his wife was

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<v Speaker 1>shot twice in the back and died almost immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>The police didn't think this was a robbery turned homicide.

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<v Speaker 3>It was murder for hire.

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<v Speaker 2>And they believe the person who hired someone to kill

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<v Speaker 2>Maria Marshall was her husband.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a girlfriend and he wanted out, and he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted his wife to pay for it with her life.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, we're in New Jersey for the conclusion of Murder

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<v Speaker 2>on the Parkway. I'm Slow Glass and this is American homicide.

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<v Speaker 2>Just to note that this episode contained some graphic content.

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<v Speaker 2>Please take care while listening. On a late summer night

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty four, Maria Marshall was killed at a

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<v Speaker 2>rest stop along the Garden State Parkway. The ordeal was

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<v Speaker 2>originally believed to be a robbery turned homicide.

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey is no stranger to murder. We have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of mobsters in New Jersey, but this was different.

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<v Speaker 1>It was murder for hire, which we didn't get that much.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Journalist Judy Peat wrote about the story for a

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<v Speaker 2>New Jersey newspaper.

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<v Speaker 1>It got national attention, a book was written about it,

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<v Speaker 1>a movie was done about it based on the book,

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<v Speaker 1>and no story about Tom's River for about twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years ram without mentioning the spectacular murder in the

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<v Speaker 1>headline or at least in the first paragraph.

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<v Speaker 2>Even the Toms River Little Leak team found that out

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety eight when it won the Little Leak

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<v Speaker 2>World Series.

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<v Speaker 1>It was huge, but they never really got their due

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<v Speaker 1>because of the Marshall case.

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<v Speaker 2>By Christmas of nineteen eighty four, three men from Louisiana

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<v Speaker 2>were charged with Maria's murder along with her husband, Robert Marshall.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Marshall was an attractive man with a very attractive

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<v Speaker 1>wife and three teenage sons, I think the youngest was

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<v Speaker 1>about twelve or thirteen at the time, who were all

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<v Speaker 1>championship swimmers and she was swim team mom of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>They seemed to have an idyllic life.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about it, those three teenage boys already having to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with their mother being murdered, and then they had

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<v Speaker 2>to process the fact that their father was charged with

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<v Speaker 2>orchestrating her death.

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Marshall sold insurance and iras and did very well. However,

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<v Speaker 1>Marshall was in debt. He had a gambling problem. He

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<v Speaker 1>had just in the months before the murder up to

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<v Speaker 1>his wife's life insurance to a million and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, Robert had just taken an additional policy out

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<v Speaker 2>on Maria the morning prior to her murder. According to prosecutors,

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<v Speaker 2>Robert's motive for killing his wife was to use her

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<v Speaker 2>insurance money to pay off his debt and run away

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<v Speaker 2>with his mistress.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a girlfriend and he wanted out, and he

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<v Speaker 1>wanted his wife to pay for it with her life.

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<v Speaker 2>Prosecutors believe Robert Marshall put the plan in place with

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<v Speaker 2>the help of three guys from Louisiana, Billy, Wayne McKinnon,

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Thompson, and a hardware clerk named Bobby Cumber, and

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<v Speaker 2>they believe it all started with Bobby.

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<v Speaker 1>He first met Bobby at a party he was up

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<v Speaker 1>in New Jersey visiting, and Marshall asked Bobby if he

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<v Speaker 1>could find him a private.

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<v Speaker 2>Detective, Lieutenant Jim Churchill investigated and he learned Bobby Cumber

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<v Speaker 2>connected Robert Marshall to a PI named Billy Wayne McKinnon.

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<v Speaker 3>McKinnon talks with Marshall.

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<v Speaker 4>Marshall said, I have a very sensitive investigation that I

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<v Speaker 4>want him done.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't trust.

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<v Speaker 4>Anybody in my area to do it. So McKinnon says, well,

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<v Speaker 4>it'll cost you five thousand dollars for me to come

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<v Speaker 4>up there and do this. So Marshall sends him a

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<v Speaker 4>Western Union money order, which we have a copy of.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when Robert Marshall took things a step further.

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<v Speaker 4>He says, well, basically I want her done away with.

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<v Speaker 4>Mckinn is somewhat taken back by that, and he says, well,

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<v Speaker 4>you know that can be done, but it's going to

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<v Speaker 4>cost you a lot more than what you've already given me.

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<v Speaker 3>So then they negotiate some sort of a deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, according to Billy Wayne McKinnon, deal to murder Maria

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<v Speaker 2>amount into over eighty thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 4>McKinnon has no intention of doing this, but he has

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<v Speaker 4>an intention of bleeding this guy for money as often

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<v Speaker 4>as he can, because what's he going to say? You know,

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<v Speaker 4>he stole from me because I wanted to kill my wife.

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<v Speaker 2>So McKinnon simply took Robert Marshall's money and strung him

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<v Speaker 2>along throughout the summer of nineteen eighty four, and by

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<v Speaker 2>the end of that summer he turned the job over

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<v Speaker 2>to his friend Larry Thompson.

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<v Speaker 4>Thompson's the kind of guy that does this and kind

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<v Speaker 4>of horns in on this scam. The authorities in Louisiana

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<v Speaker 4>know him. Whenever there's a homicide, he's the first guy

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<v Speaker 4>to think of.

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<v Speaker 2>McKinnon told investigators that he and Larry Thompson drove up

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<v Speaker 2>from Louisiana the day before Maria's murder. By then, Robert

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<v Speaker 2>Marshall had already paid Billy Wayne McKinnon nearly twenty thousand

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<v Speaker 2>dollars with the promise of more money to come after

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<v Speaker 2>the job was done. He and Robert Marshall then came

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<v Speaker 2>up with their plan. They'd make Maria's murder look like

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<v Speaker 2>a robbery gone wrong. At a rest stop off the

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<v Speaker 2>Garden State Parkway.

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<v Speaker 4>They tell him to pull in, park your car here,

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<v Speaker 4>get out of the car, and then they will do

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<v Speaker 4>the rest. He said, I'll have twenty five hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 4>in my pocket. You can take that. Hit me over

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<v Speaker 4>the head, but don't hit me hard enough. I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>to be a vegetable.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's where things get tricky for prosecutors.

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<v Speaker 3>Thompson was the only person at the scene.

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<v Speaker 4>Billy Wayne had dropped him off and then he circled

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<v Speaker 4>around and came back north after the shooting had occurred

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<v Speaker 4>and after Marshall had been hit on a head, So.

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<v Speaker 2>Billy Wayne McKinnon never actually saw Larry Thompson kill Maria.

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<v Speaker 2>He dropped Larry off at the rest stop, drove away

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<v Speaker 2>and then returned after the murder.

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<v Speaker 4>When he gets there, he sees Marshall land by the

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<v Speaker 4>rear tire and Thompson is running towards a car, gets

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<v Speaker 4>in the front and says take off. When he starts

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<v Speaker 4>to take off, he says, wait a minute, I gotta

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<v Speaker 4>do something. He gets out of the car, runs back

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<v Speaker 4>to the car and Billy Wayne sees him take out

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<v Speaker 4>his knife and stick it into the right rear tire

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<v Speaker 4>and he hears the air coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>So the last thing to happen was Larry Thompson cutting

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<v Speaker 2>the Marshall's rear tire.

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<v Speaker 4>There was about a two inch cut in the sidewalk,

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<v Speaker 4>perfect for somebody who had a fairly large knife and

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<v Speaker 4>just stuck it in air and.

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<v Speaker 5>Let it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Billy Wayne McKinnon confirmed what investigators originally believed about the tire.

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<v Speaker 4>We had an air pump brought to the scene to

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<v Speaker 4>inflate the tire and it wouldn't inflated. The air was

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<v Speaker 4>escaping as fast as it went in, So there's no

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<v Speaker 4>way he could have driven from Atlantic City with the

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<v Speaker 4>tire like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if you remember, the suspicion over the tire was

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<v Speaker 2>what made Robert Marshall a suspect early on in the investigation.

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<v Speaker 5>He was arrested while he was Christmas shopping.

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<v Speaker 2>Linda Fenwick was friends with Maria Marshall.

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<v Speaker 5>It was complicated. It was a complicated situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Now picture this, It's been three months since Maria was killed.

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<v Speaker 2>Her husband, Robert is Christmas shopping for his three kids

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<v Speaker 2>and that's when police go to arrest him. He even

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<v Speaker 2>pleaded with the officers to allow him to first drop

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<v Speaker 2>off the gifts.

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<v Speaker 5>But they refused. I couldn't imagine anybody hurting Maria was

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<v Speaker 5>That was my feeling, least of all him. I was

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<v Speaker 5>torn between whether he was guilty or not. I didn't

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<v Speaker 5>think he was. In fact, he said to me at

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<v Speaker 5>the last time I saw him in a swim meet.

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<v Speaker 5>He said, don't believe everything you see in the paper.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I said, Okay, don't believe it. It was

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<v Speaker 5>just before he was arrested.

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<v Speaker 2>But hindsight is twenty twenty and looking back, she remembers

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<v Speaker 2>Robert's demeanor changing after Maria's murder.

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<v Speaker 5>At first, it was very hard for him to deal with.

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<v Speaker 5>He he acted like a grieving husband at certainly at

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<v Speaker 5>the funeral at the church. But yes, he did return

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<v Speaker 5>to life is normal, you know, going to swim meets

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, helping out of the house with the

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<v Speaker 5>boys and whatnot. But what the boys went through was

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<v Speaker 5>absolutely horrible to see that your father is involved in

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<v Speaker 5>a murder with your mother. It was terrible. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, as far as I were can saying their

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<v Speaker 5>father was innocent. He wasn't involved, and let's find out

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<v Speaker 5>who is.

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<v Speaker 2>Maria Marshall looked to have the ideal life. She was beautiful,

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<v Speaker 2>She married her high school sweetheart and they had three kids.

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<v Speaker 2>They lived in the up for middle class township of

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<v Speaker 2>Tom's River, New Jersey, where they belonged to the local

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<v Speaker 2>country club. Robert was a successful insurance salesman, but he

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<v Speaker 2>still seemed to have his priority straight. He would take

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<v Speaker 2>Fridays off to spend time with his family, but according

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<v Speaker 2>to prosecutors, it was all a facade. In early nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty six, Robert Marshall sat at the defense table in

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<v Speaker 2>a New Jersey courtroom. He was on trial for murdering

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<v Speaker 2>his wife.

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<v Speaker 1>Marshall was charged with conspiracy to commit first degree murder,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a capital offense in New Jersey, or was

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<v Speaker 1>at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>That's journalist Judy Pete.

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<v Speaker 1>The other person in the case was a man named

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<v Speaker 1>Larry Thompson. Thompson and Marshall were tried first.

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<v Speaker 2>In an unusual move, prosecutors tried Robert Marshall and Larry

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<v Speaker 2>Thompson together. Thompson was accused of pulling the trigger and

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<v Speaker 2>shooting Maria Marshall, while Robert Marshall was accused of orchestrating

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<v Speaker 2>the whole thing. The third man who would be tried

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<v Speaker 2>separately is Billy Wayne McKinnon. He was accused of driving

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<v Speaker 2>the getaway car.

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<v Speaker 1>McKinnon revealed the whole thing, at least his version of

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing, and turned four, essentially getting a vastly

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<v Speaker 1>reduced sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is important and likely the very reason prosecutors

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<v Speaker 2>tried Robert Marshall and Larry Thompson together. Billy Wayne McKinnon

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<v Speaker 2>struck a plea deal with prosecutors. He agreed to testify

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<v Speaker 2>against the two men.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy Wayne McKinnon was just going to fleece Marshall, at

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<v Speaker 1>least that's what he testified, but he ended up hiring

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<v Speaker 1>a murderer.

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<v Speaker 2>Billy Wayne said he subcontracted the job and hired the

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<v Speaker 2>co defendant, Larry Thompson, to kill Maria. If you remember,

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<v Speaker 2>the Louisiana hardware store clerk named Bobby Cumber was the

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<v Speaker 2>one who originally connected Robert Marshall to Billy Wayne McKinnon.

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<v Speaker 2>Although the police charged Bobby, those charges didn't stick.

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<v Speaker 1>The judge actually dismissed the charges against Bobby.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot more to what happened with Bobby Cumber,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll share the full story in a special bonus

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<v Speaker 2>episode of American Homicide. But first let's get into the

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<v Speaker 2>case against Robert Marshall and Larry Thompson. I know there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of names in this case, so let's recap.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Marshall was married to Maria Marshall. He was cheating

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<v Speaker 2>on her with a woman named Saran Crashhouer. During the

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<v Speaker 2>summer of nineteen eighty four, Maria hired a PI to

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<v Speaker 2>look into Robert's fare, while Robert hired a PI of

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<v Speaker 2>his own named Billy Wayne McKinnon to look into Maria.

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<v Speaker 2>According to Billy Wayne, Robert wanted him to murder Muria,

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<v Speaker 2>but Billy Wayne McKinnon subcontracted that job to his friend

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Thompson, and prosecutors made the risky decision to offer

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<v Speaker 2>Billy Wayne McKinnon a plea deal in exchange for his

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<v Speaker 2>test stimony against Robert Marshall and Larry Thompson. He would

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<v Speaker 2>be their star witness.

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<v Speaker 1>It really rested on Billy Wayne McKinnon.

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<v Speaker 2>And Billy Wayne McKinnon was a former deputy sheriff turned

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<v Speaker 2>private detective. This is not someone you'd expect to be

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<v Speaker 2>a hit man. He testified that Robert Marshall hired him

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<v Speaker 2>to kill Maria, but he said his conscience wouldn't allow

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<v Speaker 2>him to be the shooter.

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<v Speaker 1>He installed for at least three or four months. McKinnon

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<v Speaker 1>never expected to actually go through with it. He was

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to see how much he could fleece Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Marshall for and he'd taken twenty one thousand up front.

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<v Speaker 2>And eventually Billy Wayne McKinnon offered some of that money

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<v Speaker 2>to his friend Larry Thompson.

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<v Speaker 1>Authorities always believed that Larry was a stone cold killer.

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<v Speaker 3>He was fairly slick that way.

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<v Speaker 2>McKinnon said he and Robert Marshall planned out the murder

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<v Speaker 2>the afternoon before.

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<v Speaker 5>She could not be shot in the face.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't want her beauty affect it, so she was

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<v Speaker 1>shot in the back. I mean, these were the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of details that came out in court and they were

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<v Speaker 1>pretty damning.

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<v Speaker 2>Billy Wayne McKinnon said he did not winness the shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>He was there to drive the getaway car. But here

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<v Speaker 2>was the problem for Billy Wayne McKinnon and prosecutors. Larry

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<v Speaker 2>Thompson used McKinnon's gun in the killing.

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<v Speaker 1>Larry Thompson this surprised everyone, but he brought up a

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<v Speaker 1>preacher and family from Louisiana who testified that he was

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<v Speaker 1>at the dentist and a revival meeting at the time

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<v Speaker 1>of the murder.

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<v Speaker 2>Larry Thompson denied killing Maria Marshall. He said he was

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<v Speaker 2>at home in bed that night. His son, wife and

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<v Speaker 2>brother even backed up his alibi. Larry even went a

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<v Speaker 2>step further and said he had never even been to

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<v Speaker 2>Atlantic City and that was the risk prosecutors took with

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<v Speaker 2>having Billy Wayne McKinnon as their star witness. So, now

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<v Speaker 2>with a confused jury looking on, Robert Marshall was called

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<v Speaker 2>to testify.

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<v Speaker 3>He took a stand in his own behalf.

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<v Speaker 2>Lieutenant Jim Churchill was in the courtroom.

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<v Speaker 4>Basically, what he says is that he didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a loving father and didn't do it, and

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<v Speaker 4>he wasn't in financial trouble. I had no problem paying bills.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Marshall testified he had simply hired Billy Wade McKinnon

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<v Speaker 2>to investigate some missing gambling winnings. He said he later

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<v Speaker 2>learned his wife Maria, had used that money to hire

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<v Speaker 2>a detective to investigate his adultery.

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<v Speaker 4>He was carrying on an affair with Saran crash Hour.

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<v Speaker 2>So Robert Marshall confirmed his fourteen month long affair with

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<v Speaker 2>Saran and other women. He also admitted that in the

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<v Speaker 2>three months after his wife's murder, he vacationed with another

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<v Speaker 2>woman in Florida send flowers to an ex lever and

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<v Speaker 2>was involved with a third woman. All that aside, he

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<v Speaker 2>maintained he was not at all involved in Maria's murder.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically, that was it.

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<v Speaker 4>McKinnon who testified against him, was lying and the inference

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<v Speaker 4>was that he did it, stole the money, and now

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<v Speaker 4>he's making all.

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<v Speaker 3>This stuff up.

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<v Speaker 2>By this point, the trial became a spectacle. In between

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<v Speaker 2>this testimony, Robert Marshall would turn to his family, smile

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<v Speaker 2>and give them a thumbs up.

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<v Speaker 4>Marshall would have signs at a cardboard and turn around,

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<v Speaker 4>show up to his kids that says I love you,

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<v Speaker 4>and he'd do that so the press that was there

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<v Speaker 4>would be able to see inflation in these cardstone.

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<v Speaker 2>The most explosive exchange during Robert Marshall's nine and a

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<v Speaker 2>half hours on the stand happened during cross examination. Listen

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<v Speaker 2>to what the prosecutor said when he noticed Robert Marshall

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<v Speaker 2>was wearing his wedding ring.

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<v Speaker 4>So the prosecutor said, to hold up your left hand, Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>sta wedding ring on there. He said, yeah, that signifies

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<v Speaker 4>your devotion to your wife, your deceased wife, and you

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<v Speaker 4>know your devotion and love for her.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that right?

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<v Speaker 4>You say, we can't tell Jerry why she's still on

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<v Speaker 4>a box at the funeral home. Nobody came and picked

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<v Speaker 4>up the ashes of Maria Marshall at the funeral home.

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<v Speaker 2>That's heartbreaking. Maria Marshall was cremated in mid September and

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<v Speaker 2>Robert was arrested in December.

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<v Speaker 4>At the time of the trial, she was still on

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<v Speaker 4>a shelf in the funeral because nobody picked her up.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Marshall was stunned.

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<v Speaker 3>And he held his hand up there for like five minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>He didn't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 2>When he finally found the words to respond, he said

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<v Speaker 2>he and his children had planned to bury Maria in

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<v Speaker 2>Florida over the Christmas holiday, but Robert Marshall was arrested

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<v Speaker 2>a week before Christmas.

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<v Speaker 3>It was something I'd never seen like that.

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<v Speaker 2>In the court room before the seasoned insurance salesman hoped

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<v Speaker 2>the jury would ignore the mountain of evidence against him

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<v Speaker 2>and made one last attempt to sway the jury.

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<v Speaker 3>His boys testified on his behalf.

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<v Speaker 2>One of his sons explained that their mother wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>be buried under a palm tree. To the prosecutor's credit,

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<v Speaker 2>he went easy on the children who testified, but he

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<v Speaker 2>unloaded on Robert Marshall. During closing arguments, they said, what.

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<v Speaker 4>He did to those boys, and he said to put

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<v Speaker 4>him on a stand like that, and you saw it.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't want to be there, but he made him

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<v Speaker 4>take the stand, and because of that, there's a special

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<v Speaker 4>place in hell for him.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not always a given that the accused takes the

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<v Speaker 2>witness stand in his own defense, especially in a murder trial,

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<v Speaker 2>but Robert Marshall did. He testified that he was hit

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<v Speaker 2>over the head while changing a flat tire and woke

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<v Speaker 2>up to find his beloved wife, Maria shot to death

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<v Speaker 2>in the front seat of their car.

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<v Speaker 6>That particular murder, because of the nature of it, who

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<v Speaker 6>the people were, and so on, sent a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>shockways through town.

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<v Speaker 2>Tom kellaher is the former mayor of Tom's River.

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<v Speaker 6>Maria had been shot with a looked like a forty

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<v Speaker 6>five automatic and they said that Marshall was hit over

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<v Speaker 6>the head apparently with the same forty five. I have

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<v Speaker 6>to tell you that I thought, why would they shoot

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<v Speaker 6>a petite blonde lady who's asleep anyway and wasn't really

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<v Speaker 6>a threat to them, and only hit Marshall over the head.

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<v Speaker 6>That raised a question right off the bat.

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<v Speaker 2>In my mind, after Robert's six week trial, the court

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<v Speaker 2>of public opinion in Tom's River had pretty much convicted him.

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<v Speaker 6>The evidence was so overwhelming against Marshall. There's only one

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<v Speaker 6>or two people that really went to bat for him,

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<v Speaker 6>and everybody else was just kind of waiting for the

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<v Speaker 6>other shoot a drop.

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<v Speaker 2>As the case went to the jury, Robert Marshall, who

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<v Speaker 2>had been holding up signs to his children that said

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<v Speaker 2>I love you, passed another message to his youngest son.

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<v Speaker 6>When everybody in the world who knew anything about the

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<v Speaker 6>case figured that jury is only going to be out

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<v Speaker 6>ten minutes and convict this guy. He kept temas on Listen,

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<v Speaker 6>you go home, get the house ready for a big

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<v Speaker 6>celebration tonight, and then when it's over, you and I

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<v Speaker 6>are going to go to Florida, get a boat and

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<v Speaker 6>fishing of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But Robert Marshall would never take his children fishing in Florida.

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<v Speaker 6>The jury wasn't out very long at all, and the

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<v Speaker 6>jury found him guilty. He was convicted.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Churchill was in the courtroom when Robert Marshall heard

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<v Speaker 2>the verdict.

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<v Speaker 4>What happened was after the verdict came in, he fainted

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<v Speaker 4>and they took him to a local hospital down there.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you even imagine. Even after Robert Marshall was hauled

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<v Speaker 2>off on a stretcher, the jury still had to rule

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<v Speaker 2>on the co defendant, Larry Thompson.

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<v Speaker 4>The same jury that finds Marshall guilty finds Thompson not guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, the jury acquitted Larry Thompson.

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<v Speaker 4>We spent as much time, I think, trying to convict

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<v Speaker 4>Larry Thompson than we did Robert Marshall, and for some

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<v Speaker 4>reason or other, they just didn't buy it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's unbelievable. The jury believed Larry Thompson's defense that he

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<v Speaker 2>was home in Louisiana on the day of the murder.

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<v Speaker 4>That he was at a dentist office with his son

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<v Speaker 4>having some work done on his child's mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>So Larry Thompson walked away.

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<v Speaker 4>A freeman, a member of the jury, was pulled and said,

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<v Speaker 4>you had so much information, so much stuff against Marshall,

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<v Speaker 4>and the judge kept talking about reasonable doubt, reasonable doubt,

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<v Speaker 4>reasonable doubt. So either a system works or it doesn't work,

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<v Speaker 4>and it stays with you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>An infamous picture ran in the local newspaper Larry Thompson

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<v Speaker 2>is seen climbing into his beat up pickup truck going

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<v Speaker 2>off to leave, while Robert Marshall is laying on a

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<v Speaker 2>stretcher in the background. But there's an even more important photo,

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<v Speaker 2>a picture of Maria Marshall that Lieutenant Churchill had pinned

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<v Speaker 2>to his bulletin board at work. He put it there

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<v Speaker 2>as a reminder that the case was not closed.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you've been in this enough. Sure you get

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<v Speaker 4>involved in cases, but you do the best you can.

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<v Speaker 4>You collect the investigation. There might be something you might overlook,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's certainly not on purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>With Larry Thompson's acquittal, the attention again returned to Robert Marshall.

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<v Speaker 2>After recovering from his fainting spell, he returned to the

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<v Speaker 2>courtroom hours later.

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<v Speaker 4>And the judge ordered him back because the hospital cent

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<v Speaker 4>there's nothing, no reason why he shouldn't go back.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when Robert Marshall heard his sentence.

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<v Speaker 3>Marshall got to death penalty.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, I expected him to serve sometime, but I

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<v Speaker 5>was surprised that death penalty.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Maria's friend, Linda Fenwick.

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<v Speaker 5>He wrote me a couple of letters early on when

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<v Speaker 5>he was in prison, telling me that he didn't do it,

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<v Speaker 5>and that you know, he missed Maria and he missed boys,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Marshall spent eighteen years on death row before an

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<v Speaker 2>appeal judge ruled that his lawyer misrepresented him during the

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<v Speaker 2>death penalty phase of his trial. So in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and six he was resentenced and had the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>address the court. Here he is speaking.

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<v Speaker 7>I know I've made some terrible mistakes, mistakes which have

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<v Speaker 7>caused a lot of suffering from my family. I accept

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<v Speaker 7>full responsibility that my actions led to her death. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>deeply sorry for my actions, but I can't change the past. However,

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<v Speaker 7>I can change the future. I'll be seventy five years

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<v Speaker 7>old when my thirty year sentence is up, and I hope,

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<v Speaker 7>in prayer, I have a chance to spend what was

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<v Speaker 7>left in my life with my sons and grandchildren.

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<v Speaker 2>By this time, Robert's three children were in their thirties.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, he actually thought he was going to you know,

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<v Speaker 5>that these appeals were going to work, but of course

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<v Speaker 5>they didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>The judge resentenced Robert Marshall to life in prison, with

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<v Speaker 2>the possibility of parole.

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<v Speaker 5>All three of them supported him until it was clear

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<v Speaker 5>that he had some involvement, but the younger one supported

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<v Speaker 5>him till his death.

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<v Speaker 2>And Robert Marshall was right about one thing. The people

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<v Speaker 2>of Toms River did talk, and they talked about this

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<v Speaker 2>case and the murder of Maria Marshall for years.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, it had an impact on a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a case that's still talked about in town. I

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<v Speaker 5>mean everybody was aware of every detail of it, and

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<v Speaker 5>they still talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>The alleged triggerman was Larry Thompson, who was acquitted, but

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<v Speaker 2>his story doesn't end there. After being exonerated in the

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<v Speaker 2>Marshall case, Larry Thompson was later convicted of armed robbery

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<v Speaker 2>and the attempted murder of a Louisiana policeman that landed

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<v Speaker 2>him a long prison sentence and a lot of time

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<v Speaker 2>to think about his past.

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<v Speaker 4>In twenty fourteen, I get a phone call saying Larry

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<v Speaker 4>wants to talk with you.

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<v Speaker 2>So, three decades after Lieutenant Jim Churchill had investigated Mria

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<v Speaker 2>Marshall's murder, he gets on a plane and flies to

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<v Speaker 2>Louisiana to visit Larry Thompson in prison.

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<v Speaker 4>Larry's waiting outside the Warden's office for me, and this

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<v Speaker 4>is the first time I've talked to him ever.

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<v Speaker 2>The two sit face to face. That's when Lieutenant Churchill

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<v Speaker 2>turned on his tape recorder and I.

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<v Speaker 4>Said, this is going to be short and sweet to

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<v Speaker 4>fire those shots that killed Maria Marshall.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I did.

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<v Speaker 4>Those people testified to you, including your son, they were

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<v Speaker 4>either mistaken or deliberate lions on your behalf.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Larry Thompson admitted that he fabricated his alibi and

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<v Speaker 2>he killed Maria Marshall. But even with Larry's confession, double

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<v Speaker 2>jeopardy laws prevented him from being retried. Regardless, it was

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<v Speaker 2>the truth, something Lieutenant Churchill had never stopped looking for.

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<v Speaker 3>I did it mostly for Robbie.

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<v Speaker 2>Robbie Marshall was Robert and Maria's oldest son. He had

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<v Speaker 2>always believed his father murdered his mother.

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<v Speaker 4>Robbie wasn't too happy with the fact that the man

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<v Speaker 4>we charged with his mother's actual murder was found not guilty.

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<v Speaker 3>He thought that it was because we didn't do enough

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<v Speaker 3>work on it.

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<v Speaker 2>With this information, Lieutenant Churchill got in touch with Robbie's brother, Chris.

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<v Speaker 3>And I called him.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, look, I got some closure for you here,

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<v Speaker 4>So I told him, and he thanked me very much,

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<v Speaker 4>and I said, do me a favor.

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<v Speaker 3>Call your brothers and tell them you know what I

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<v Speaker 3>just told you.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was the last time he heard from any

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<v Speaker 2>of the Marshall children.

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<v Speaker 4>The fact that there are three young boys who were

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<v Speaker 4>left without a mother and then without a father, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's amazing to me that they've done as well as

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<v Speaker 4>they have.

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<v Speaker 2>The Marshall children would receive shocking news. In twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>a year after Larry Thompson's confession, Robbie and his siblings

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<v Speaker 2>were preparing for the possibility of their father getting out

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<v Speaker 2>of prison. Robert Marshall was up for parole, and just

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<v Speaker 2>before his parole hearing, Robert suffered a stroke and died.

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<v Speaker 2>He was seventy five years old. For Lieutenant Churchill, he

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<v Speaker 2>felt like the Marshall case was finally closed and that

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<v Speaker 2>meant he could remove the photo of Maria that hung

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<v Speaker 2>above his desk.

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<v Speaker 4>I took it off the bulletin board, put it back

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<v Speaker 4>in a file and that's where it is among the

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen file boxes.

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<v Speaker 3>In the archives.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been over forty years since Maria Marshall was killed

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<v Speaker 2>along the Garden State Parkway, and nearly a decade since

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Marshall died in prison, and this is still the

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<v Speaker 2>one case that sticks with the lieutenant.

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<v Speaker 4>Not because it's the hardest case we ever had, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's the one that's most memorable. I feel I know

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<v Speaker 4>more about him and her and Larry Thompson and Nickinnon

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<v Speaker 4>then they do some of my relatives.

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<v Speaker 2>And when he says him, he's referring to Robert Marshall.

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<v Speaker 4>And to have him do something like what he did,

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<v Speaker 4>and he had every opportunity to get out of it,

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<v Speaker 4>but he was so desperate, desperate to get out of debt,

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<v Speaker 4>desperate to get out of the marriage, desperate.

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<v Speaker 3>To maintain his notor ride in the community. That trumped everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Next time, on American Homicide.

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<v Speaker 1>I was interviewing a judge and as I was walking

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<v Speaker 1>out the door, he actually said, you know, there's one

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<v Speaker 1>case that always bothered me.

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<v Speaker 2>Journalist Judy pet wrote extensively about one person in this story.

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<v Speaker 1>It sort of stunned me because sitting judges under New

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<v Speaker 1>Jersey law are not allowed to discuss any case they've had.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Sloan Glass. In a special bonus episode, we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about Bobby Cumber, the man at the hardware store who

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<v Speaker 2>passed messages between Robert Marshall and Billy Way McKinnon.

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<v Speaker 1>The Bobby Cumber angle was small. He was the little

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<v Speaker 1>guy that nobody really paid attention to.

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<v Speaker 2>He was the person so few paid attention to. And

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<v Speaker 2>yet the part of this case I think is worthy

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<v Speaker 2>of so much more attention.

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<v Speaker 1>The way he was treated was criminal almost every step

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<v Speaker 1>of the way.

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<v Speaker 2>That's next time on American Homicide. You can contact the

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