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Speaker 1: Hey, Joe Madden is here back on bout territory. Joe,

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Speaker 1: good to see how you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying. Man.

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Speaker 3: Technology is wonderful when it works, and it sucks when

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, yeah, but it's working fifteen minutes. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: There was an issue, and it asked me to copy

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Speaker 2: So finally we figured it out. You're on my phone.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, no one would know. Now, this is the

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Speaker 1: beauty of v is that crazy stuff happens behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes and nobody knows about it. And you look great,

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Speaker 1: you sound great. It's all crisp with the connection.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Joe, Joe, you can always just come right here

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Speaker 4: and we can do the show right here.

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Speaker 3: I'm only wait, wait, wait, do you guys located where

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Speaker 4: I'm only an hour and a half. I'm just right

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Speaker 4: down right down the Northeast Extension. You're Quaker Town Landsdale Exit.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's not bad. That's that's actually not bad at all.

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Speaker 4: Or I'll come up to you because you live in

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Speaker 4: you live in God's country up there.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 3: And actually you could play around a golf and then

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Speaker 3: do the show afterwards, you play what deck?

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Speaker 2: Any good?

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Speaker 3: And as long as the weather's good, I'm I'm going

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Speaker 3: Canadian show later today.

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Speaker 4: Beautiful. All right, we'll put on chaw.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're a little further We're in Tom's River,

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Speaker 1: Todd father and I but Cratken golf.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you do.

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Speaker 4: It many good.

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Speaker 1: So So, first off, Joe, there was a great article

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Speaker 1: in The Athletic written by Rust and Dodd about you know,

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Speaker 1: as we crack open a postseason conversation. That's saying is

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I think in today's world and general terms, I'll speak generally,

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be like the guy that's over

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Speaker 3: next level. Gosh, I was the most wonderful experience I've

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Speaker 3: So I really, when I say that, feel when I

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Speaker 2: And I used to think I was concerned.

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Speaker 3: And that's pretty much the reason why I concluded that

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Speaker 3: And that's where I think that a lot of times

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Speaker 5: That was absolutely phenomenal because I was part of my

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Speaker 5: Now my question, you'd be of a starting picture your decisions.

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Speaker 5: You have all this laid out about what you would

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Speaker 3: No, I mean I would stay. I would stick with

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Speaker 3: I did it with Arietta. It's in that article. I

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Speaker 2: I think it was four nothing or something like that

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Speaker 3: See, part of this is that we are we are

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Speaker 2: Implemented in our game. That's it.

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Speaker 3: But when you start messing with strategy, there's point of

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Speaker 3: So long story short, Yes, if my guy's cruising, I'll

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Speaker 3: then continue to cruise. You know, pitch count might be

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Speaker 3: Who's the guy, who's the guy? What kind of heartbeat

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Speaker 2: And they're not. And that's the part that has to

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Speaker 4: Man, just clip clip that part. Everybody is not the same,

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Speaker 4: looking at your baseball reference page here, Joe. Okay, what

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Speaker 4: I'm finally a manager because we have I think we're

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Speaker 2: Well, I felt that I deserved it.

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Speaker 3: I'd have been really upset because that job was perfect

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Speaker 3: that doesn't mean it was the wrong decision. That just

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Speaker 3: what you're thinking. You have to know exactly through experience

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Speaker 2: I love that KP.

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Speaker 1: We both love Omaha Steaks. My latest order six I

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Speaker 1: reserve Filet Mignon's. It sounds bougie because it is. They

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Speaker 1: You have been a long time Omaha Steaks guy too.

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Speaker 4: We're going to go to a future Hall of Famer

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Speaker 3: He looks like he's pulling off the ball. I mean

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Speaker 4: All right, I'm going to go to a decision though.

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Speaker 4: Around show Hey, the Phillies decided to walk him when

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Speaker 3: I mean that's what we're talking about, either the large

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Speaker 2: You have.

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Speaker 3: That's where I think, that's where the managerial seat comes

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Speaker 3: So I guess to answer your question, yes, I probably listen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Hey, great insight, Joe. And you know, we wouldn't

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Speaker 1: now what sixty two degrees, There is no rain in

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Speaker 3: You'd been when I go to Florida, right.

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Speaker 2: I'll be hitting down the Tampa at the end of

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Speaker 2: the month. Brother, I'll be there. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I love that. I love that snowbird life. I'm with you, well, Joe,

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Speaker 1: we always really enjoy these. Yeah, Well, save travels. Hopefully

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Speaker 3: I appreciate your your good questions, and inside I do.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's why I like to come on here.

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Speaker 3: You guys are different, and I appreciate that you make

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Speaker 1: It's great. It is really really well appreciated. There's a

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Speaker 1: it as well. Thank you, Joe. And on the way

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Speaker 1: So if you want more of that, you get this.

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Speaker 2: I listen to all the episodes.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Joe, We'll talk.

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Speaker 2: To you soon. Thanks to have a great day. See

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Speaker 2: you boys. Bye.

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