1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Ron Andanian, how many of you want a car that 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: you can sit and say how much washer fluid do 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: I have left? Really, I really need to be able 4 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: to ask the car how much washer fluid do I 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: have left? Because I'm too lazy to get out, lift 6 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: the cap and look back. And that's every time I 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: got the car Doctor. There's something about driving a car 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: to let the car take over, clot the machine, the 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: computer take over the machine. God, life is going to 10 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: be born. Welcome to the radio home of Ron Andanian 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor, since this is where car owners the 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: world over turned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: the phone and call in. The garage doors are open, 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: but I am here to take your call at eight 16 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: five five six and running. Shut up and stop talking. Hey, 17 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: it's time to start your engines. A long and welcome 18 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: Ronindi and the Car Doctor here at five five zero 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: nine nine zero zero. Here I am behind the helm 20 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: again once again, Rond and the Car Doctor, along with 21 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: the immatable indicated, never duplicated, no bologna, not a phony. 22 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely the one and only Tom Mr Tom Ray how 23 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: are you today, sir? Thank you, thank you? Doing just fine, 24 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: doing better than Tony. Yeah, Tony hurt his back back 25 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: and it's like, geez, yeah, he didn't sound good on 26 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: the phone. So I said, you know, stay where you 27 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: are and we'll we'll we'll run the ship today. It's 28 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: not a big deal. We can. I think he's just 29 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: getting ready for the super Bowl party. That's what I 30 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: think he's doing. Actually, I think he's getting ready for 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: the day after the super Bowl party. He's practicing for that. 32 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: I saw, you know, I saw something in the news 33 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: about they want to make the day after the super 34 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: Bowl a national holiday. Yeah. It's like really, I mean 35 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: it's called you're an adult, let's get up and let's 36 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: put up with our responsibilities. Is that is that? Is 37 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: that real? Um? Yeah, there's a there's a group wants 38 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: to do that, and I can't see why. So well, 39 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 1: hang on a second. Understand, we're about we're gonna be 40 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: come on in here, come on in here. You know 41 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna be interrupted. You honey, Oh, you charge the 42 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 1: hang on, folks, you have to hold up the national show. 43 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: We gotta charge somebody's cell phone. The muss car doctor 44 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: has arrived here we go. Okay, oh Lucy, I didn't 45 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: even know Lucy was in here. So Lucy, come on 46 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: the studio. Dog has been here and we didn't know 47 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: what was going on. So look at that. Um yeah, 48 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: this is real radio folks. You can't make it up. 49 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: It just happens. When you did you know Lucy was 50 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: in here? I didn't didn't realize she was. She snuck 51 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: in during the break. She's been lying here sleeping. Well 52 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: you know another fan, what can I tell you? Acting 53 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: just like all of your other fans that the car 54 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: doctors going to the dogs. Um. So on that note, 55 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: let's uh, the jokes are getting bed. Let's go over 56 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: and talk to Jason beaver Falls p A. Jason. Welcome 57 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 1: back to the Car Doctor, sir. What's going on this week? 58 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: How can I help? Hey? How are you doing? I 59 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: enjoy your Okay, thank you, sir. While we're trying, we're 60 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: just trying to keep it interesting. What's going on today? 61 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: Nothing much. I'm working on a Lexus lex four fifty 62 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five. Okay, wait for it now. That 63 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: means it's just broken in. Um yeah, exactly. All right, 64 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: So uh, this is this this is a vacuum booster 65 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: car or vehicle, isn't it? Yes? It is okay? And 66 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: what's wrong with this car? Um? I bought it from 67 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: a friend he bought a house and he no longer 68 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: won the vehicle. He didn't have the money throw into 69 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: its purchased it from him. And it has a hard 70 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: break pedal, great pedal feels nice, but it's just not stopping. 71 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: And so I checked the master, the master cylinder of 72 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: a second. First they changed the front calibers of driver 73 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: and the pastor. Then I changed the master cylinder and 74 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: it's a It got a little bit better after I 75 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: bled it several times. And what happens is you say 76 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: you're doing sixty months per hour and you go into 77 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: like emergency stop. You hit that break, you're not I 78 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: mean you're slowing down, but you're not coming to a 79 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: dead stop until about thirty ft down the road. Now, 80 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: at slow speeds, it's pretty good, um, but it seems 81 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: to be if you're on a rule uh descent hill, 82 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: it won't slow down at all. I mean you're not 83 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: stopping and you can't hold it there either, I mean 84 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: you could you do happen to stop? It just keeps 85 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: drifting slowly, it's not grabbing. Say so, do you feel 86 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: like you're you have to press harder on the brake 87 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: pedal than than normal that you're you know, you're, oh, yeah, 88 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: you have to you have to stand on the brake 89 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: pedal to get it to stop, especially going down a hill. Um. 90 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: But the thing is the full range emotion. Whenever you 91 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: start putting your foot into the pedal, I mean, you 92 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: could feel it slowing down. It's grabbing, that's slowing down. 93 00:04:58,640 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: But once you get to the end of the mo 94 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: of the pedal, where there's basically it's real hard, that's 95 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: where it's it's not grabbing anymore. Like if you're coming 96 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: up to a stop sign, usually you gradually slow down. 97 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: Then when you get the stops then kind of give 98 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: it a little bit of to get the stuff completely. 99 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: And it doesn't do that. It sounds like you're describing 100 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: a bad vacuum booster. The booster itself. That's and yeah, 101 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: I don't hear anything. And that's my Before I throw 102 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: any more money at it, I want to get your opinion. Well, 103 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: let's let's try this. Let's first of all, let's make 104 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: sure you know is let's do the simple stuff. Is 105 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: the line to the vacuum booster connected? All right? Yeah, okay? 106 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: And then what is what is manifold vacuum going to 107 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: the booster? All right? Is it? You know? Is it 108 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen inches a manifold vacuum if it's tendant, is 109 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: a manifold vacuum. Because the engine has a problem, you're 110 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: never gonna get good power breaks. So you know, let's 111 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: look a gauge up and read manifold vacuum. Let's just 112 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: make sure we've got a reasonable mount there. The third thing, 113 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: all right, is if we got in the truck, ran it, 114 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: shut it off, and pump the brake pedal, you know, 115 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: until the pedal got rock hard? How many pumps? Is that? 116 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: Is that right away? Or is that is that to 117 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: three times, six times, seven times, ten times? You know, 118 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 1: on a typical bad booster, you will find that the 119 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: pedal goes rock hard within one hit, alright, because there 120 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: is no vacuum reserve, and the quality of the pedal, 121 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: its ability to produce boost will be the same on 122 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: that second hit, just as it was when it's the 123 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: engines running pulling vacuum against the booster. If you understand 124 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 1: what I'm saying I do, and I was. I was 125 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: prepared for your for your questions or ithing. I wrote 126 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: everything down there could and it takes five times for 127 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: it to get a rock hard pedal when the engine 128 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 1: is turned off. Okay, and then when you start the 129 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: car back up, does the pedal drop out from underneath you? 130 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: It does? That sounds like a good booster. So then 131 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: let's do this. Let's let's take the let's take the 132 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: handheld vacuum pump and apply it to the booster. Does 133 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: the booster hold vacuum? I have seen boosters fail. I 134 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: have seen boosters do some really funny things as they 135 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: get older. You know, it's can we can we produce 136 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: enough vacuum build up vacuum in that side that booster, 137 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: and will it hold? And that's the next thing I 138 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: want to know, all right, you know, it's it kind 139 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: of comes down to this is a very mechanical system. 140 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: If it's yeah, it's pretty simple. If if the calipers 141 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: are all free and moving, and that's important, all right, 142 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: If the brake pads are all good condition, the rotors 143 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: don't have heavy rust or any you know, the road, 144 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: the rotor face has to be clean, all right, you 145 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: know it's bled properly. You say you have a good pedal. 146 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: The height of the pedal is good, the pedals up high. 147 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: But you're describing where you're you know, you've got to 148 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: apply more leg force than you think is normal. That 149 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: sure sounds like a booster to me. Okay, that's and 150 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: that's why I bought one of those loads sensing proportioning 151 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: voves just in case that was going to be my 152 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: next part that was going to throw at it, because 153 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: the booster test seemed to be coming back good. The 154 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: only thing I found in mind, because I bought a 155 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: shop manual for this land Cruiser. It's probably about thousands 156 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: of pages. It's like Bible paper, it's rule thin, and 157 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: even in there, the one thing I found is where 158 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 1: the uh kind of like a brooke booster or a 159 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: break booster adjustment where you can actually the rod there 160 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: needs adjusted. I've never even heard of that. Well, yeah, 161 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: I've heard of that, and I think what they're you 162 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: know what that's generally reserved for. What they're doing that 163 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: for is if the pedal itself doesn't have good height, 164 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: that's not going to affect the amount of power or 165 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: was required to apply the break that's only going to 166 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: increase or shorten the gap before the pedal bottoms out 167 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: or you know how high up it comes. I think 168 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: that's an adjustment for pedal position, pedal height, and so forth. 169 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: But again you're telling me you got to step on 170 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: You drive down the road at thirty forty and you 171 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: step on this brake pedal. You've really got to step 172 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: on this brake pedal to get any kind of response 173 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: out of the vehicle. Correct, Correct the first the first 174 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: half of the motion. It's slowing down immediately, but it's 175 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: the last motion to come to the fleet stop that's 176 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: just not there, and you feel like the car has 177 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: more than adequate power. The engines running okay, oh yeah, 178 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: yeah runs us. The reason I asked that is I'm 179 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: also thinking about if the exhaust were restricted, causing an 180 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: internal engine problem vacuum to decrease. You know, that will 181 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: obviously affect booster vacuum as well. And maybe what you 182 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: want to do is somehow t a vacuum gauge in 183 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: and look at you know, how much how much vacuums 184 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: available to that booster when the pedal is good versus 185 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: when the pedal is bad, Right, you said you you 186 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: said the pedal was good at thirty miles an hour, 187 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: but it gets worse at at at sixty. Yeah, the 188 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: the huh And I think that could be just because 189 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: of the speed as well. Yeah, absolutely, uh, you know 190 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: that absolutely could have something to do with it. But 191 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: just just you know, sometimes we diagnose by knowing what's good. 192 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: If we can, if we can eliminate all the good, 193 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: then we can figure out what's bad. And that's really 194 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: how you have to fix part today. Yeah, that's pretty 195 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 1: much what I'm doing is just throwing parts side and 196 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: it's like, all right, well this isn't it, This wasn't it, 197 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: And well I got one thing left and basically the 198 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: booster in this load sensing. So yeah, I mean, I'm 199 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: not I'm not saying throw parts at it, but I'm saying, 200 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: diagnose parts as best you can without changing them to see, 201 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, what what's what's working and what's not. You know, 202 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: I went through this on a vehicle this week where 203 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: I took the person over the phone. We were talking 204 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: about fuel pressure and some grounds and various things, and 205 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: you know, they said to me, they go, yeah, but 206 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: you don't think any of this is where I said, no, 207 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: I don't think any of this is wrong. I said, 208 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: but you know what, sometimes, in order for me to 209 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: know what's wrong, I've got to know what's right. And 210 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: you know that's that's part of it. And you know, 211 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: the worst that happens is I help I help us 212 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: all become better mechanics because we all learn how to 213 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: test things and and and think outside the box and 214 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: how to take something apart mentally in our head. And 215 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: you know, if we can fix it that way, then 216 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: that works too. So that's it. What um one more question? Question? 217 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,319 Speaker 1: This doesn't have a BS once? Um, I put a 218 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: new fluid through it as well? When should I take 219 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: it to a toyo to dealership to get the A 220 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: B S flushed or not flushed? But kind of like um, 221 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: lead Well, but you you you said right at the 222 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: beginning that you have a good break pedal. The pedal 223 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: has good height and it has you know, a good 224 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: to it. Do you do you have any doubts about that? 225 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: Do you think that the pedal is you know, maybe, 226 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: I guess in the back of my mind, I'm thinking 227 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: there there's airs stuck somewhere and the only place that 228 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: I haven't bled was the A B S and it's 229 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: and I've heard that you You could take it to 230 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: a shop and they do it. They hook it up 231 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: to us, skin to one everything they mainly bleeding and everything. 232 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: That's the only other option that I have, other than 233 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: putting a booster on it. But rather I think it 234 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: has under seventy things do fail, so it probably could 235 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: be the booster slowly going. The only way I can 236 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 1: answer that question, I have to look in a scan 237 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: tool to see if there's an a BS bleed procedure 238 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 1: available for that. It doesn't, I don't recall that. I'm 239 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: not saying there isn't. But you know that's the only if. 240 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: If there is an a bas bleed procedure and you 241 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: change did you change the master? You said you change 242 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: the master? Yes, yeah, Then if there is an a 243 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: bas bleed procedure, then by all means it should be done. 244 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: I agree with that. All right, we'll tell you what says. 245 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 1: I get this figured out, I'll give you a call 246 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 1: back and let you know. You let me know, all right, 247 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: hang in there, Jason, say hello to Joe Willie. If 248 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 1: you sam, I will I will thank you, sir, You're 249 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: very welcome. Take good care. Eight five five five zero 250 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: nine nine zero. I like how I'm sir on that, Sir, 251 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: that means I'm old too. I don't know if I 252 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: like that part, Sir Elton John, Sir Mick Jaggers, Sir, 253 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: Sir Ron and Indian. I guess I'm in good company. 254 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: Eight five five five zero nine zero zero. We'll be 255 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 1: back right after this when you get keep Ron's number 256 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: hand eight five five five six zero nine nine zero 257 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: zero for when you really need advice on your car. 258 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: Here's Rob. Hey, welcome back running in the car doctor. 259 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 1: Let's get it over and talk to Let's go talk 260 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: to Larry North, Carolina ninety dodgs Ram. Larry, Welcome to 261 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: the car doctors. Sir, how can I help? Hello, Ron, 262 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: it's the honor to speak with you. I'm glad to 263 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: be here for you. What's going on? Well? I have 264 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: a note ninety six Dodge Ram fifteen hundred UM five 265 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: pot nine. It's a gas motor and I have a 266 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: problem with my blower, the heating and air blower in 267 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: the cab only working on this high to sentence. Now, 268 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: I've done some research and said replaced the resistor in there, 269 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: so I replaced the resist her and it didn't make 270 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 1: a difference. So I've listened to you long enough to 271 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: know that new ever means never ever worked. So I 272 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: got another one. I ain't done the same thing, so 273 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: I changed the motor just in case anything that was 274 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: wrong the motor, but just done out of kicks because 275 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: I have a spare one. Nothing's changed. So I've read 276 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: that there was some cars some of these trets have relay. 277 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: Some'm on Denton and I'm lost because I can't find 278 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 1: the relay on it in the in the under the hood, 279 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: up under the main control where all the relays that 280 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: there's us in there. I read that sometimes it was 281 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: built into the switch of the truck. Um ken in 282 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: the control head. Um, let's do it like this. It 283 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: might be right. The way they work this is the 284 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: blower motor is fed hot from a fuse all right, Um, 285 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: it comes out of the fuse block. It's if I 286 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: remember right, it's it's a big thirty MP. I think 287 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: it's fuse too if I recall correctly, on that year, um, 288 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: and the that's hot all the time. So one side 289 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: of the blower motor the dark green to the blower 290 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: motor should be hot all the time, all right. And 291 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: then there's a black tan wire coming out of the 292 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: blower motor. That's the ground leg, if if. And the 293 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: way we'll prove this is just take a voltmeter. Do 294 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: you have a voltmeter, Larry? So just take a voltmeter. 295 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: Look at the dark green you should be you should 296 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: have you know, battery voltage there keyon engine off, engine 297 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: running will be twelve volts fourteen volts respectively, all right. 298 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: And then the black tan will be a ground that's 299 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: the ground leg. They tie that ground leg into the 300 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: resistor block. So for conversation's sake, when the blower is 301 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: in the position one or feeding off of I think 302 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: it's pin six if I remember right at six five 303 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: three four seven, if memory serves me, right, Um, you're 304 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: gonna see that the blower resistor is being bypassed and 305 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: it's full ground on G two O two all right. Um. 306 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: The fact that you've got the first two speeds working 307 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: and not low. And you know this is a four 308 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: speed switch, correct, Yeah, four speeds on both sides on 309 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: the air conditioner side and four seed on normal side. Right, 310 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: So you know, here's what you can do. Go to 311 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: the blower resistor. I'm gonna I'm gonna give you some 312 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 1: wire colors. You got a pencil, yeah, I got all right? 313 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: So you know you got a black tan. You should 314 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: have a light blue, a light green, and a tan, 315 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: all right. That that black tan should make the blower well, 316 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: the blowers should run if you ground any one of 317 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: those four wires, all right, at at the at the 318 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: with the blower, with the with the blower resistor connected, 319 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: all right, because basically what you're doing is you're just 320 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 1: providing You're just replacing or bypassing the switch, you're providing 321 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: a source of ground. Okay, And if you keep the 322 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: resistor in the circuit, you're now just creating that bridge 323 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: across where the current's gonna get dropped down and the 324 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,119 Speaker 1: blower is gonna run at a slower speed. Do you 325 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying? Okay, So we're by doing that, 326 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: we'll be bypassing the switch, and I'll be making the 327 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: switch myself. Correct bingo. So, so the black tan should 328 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: be high, the light blue should be the second slowest. Uh, 329 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: the light green should be the third slowest, and the 330 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: tan should be you know number one. All right, If 331 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: you can get all that to work. Then your resistor 332 00:17:56,600 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: is good. All right, you've also proved that obviously the 333 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: blower works. You've proved that you've got hot, which I 334 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 1: believe you will, and then we can go take a 335 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: look at the control head. All right. Uh the way 336 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: we're going to test the control head and I'll tell 337 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,239 Speaker 1: you what. Mr Thomas waving his finger at me. He's 338 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: telling me no, no, no, So you stay right where 339 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: you are, Larry. Let me pull over and take this pause. 340 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: When I come back, make sure you've got a pencil 341 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: and a piece of paper. I'll give you the specs 342 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: on how we're gonna test that control switch, and we'll 343 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: get this blower working for you once again. A five 344 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: five five six zero zero running. Then in the car 345 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: doctor coming back right after this. I got I got, 346 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: I got time. Right it on the wall, so you 347 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: don't forget to call for car advice. Done right, eight 348 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: five five zero zero zero. Now back to rock, Larry, 349 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: you're still there, sir, I'm here, okay. So so what 350 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: I'd like you to do is when you do the 351 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: voltage test to see what power you have at the 352 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: blower motor itself, can you run a jumper wire from 353 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: the negative post of the battery. So, um, I have 354 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: a power probe. So that's what I was going to use. Okay, alright, 355 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: as long as as long as yeah, okay, I'll let 356 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: you get away with that. That works. And but you're 357 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna hook the power probe to the battery itself, yes, okay, 358 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: same thing, all right. I just want to make sure 359 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: we have a good ground when we start doing this, 360 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: all right. So yeah, and if you do that and 361 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: then just go to just go to each wire of 362 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: the resistor with the resistort block still connected, obviously you 363 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: ground each wire. You should hear, you know, blower speed 364 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: one through four. All right, So that's that. Now we've 365 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: got to test this switch. You've got an ometer. Basically, 366 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna go across pin seven, which is where the 367 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: there's a black green wire, which is the ground leg. 368 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: That's your one constant. Okay. That pin seven is the 369 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 1: ground that goes out to ground two oh two. All right. 370 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 1: Then you're gonna go across the other remaining pins. You 371 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: don't need to go across. There's gonna be an orange 372 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: feed coming into the switch. You don't want to touch that. 373 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: That's that's that's the hot leg. You don't need that, 374 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: all right. Um, you want to go in through you 375 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: want to go in through the other four remaining pins, 376 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: which would which lead to the four wires for the resistor, 377 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 1: the black tan, the light blue, the light green yellow, 378 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the light green, et cetera. Um, And basically 379 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: you're just owning across it. I think you're gonna find 380 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: the switches open on two positions, is what I'm coming 381 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: down to. Basically, bridge and touch the other feeds right 382 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: home and see if I gotta circuit only right right 383 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: and with the idea that well, I guess you have 384 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: to know that. You know pin four, pin four is 385 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: the low speed, Pin three is second, pin two is third, 386 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: and pin one is high speed. You've got to correlate 387 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: it to the pin all right. So you've got to 388 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: put the knob in in high and then go across six, 389 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,199 Speaker 1: and then you gotta put the knob in two, and 390 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: then we'll go across five and so on and so forth. 391 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: You have a wiring diagram for this car, Do not 392 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: send me, send me an email. I'm glad. I'm glad 393 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: to send your wiring diagram Ron at car doctor show 394 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: dot com I'll do it as soon as I come 395 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: off air today, because if you have a wiring diagram 396 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: in front of it will make a whole lot more sense. 397 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: You're just you're, you're you're just beating your brains in unnecessarily. Yeah, 398 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: I've been trying to find one night. Yeah, I mean, 399 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: here's a case where you know, for the I don't 400 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: know what it is, thirty five forty I think it's four. 401 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: I think it's somewhere thirty bucks, right, forty five bucks. 402 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: For a year, you get a subscription to all that 403 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 1: of d I Y and you know, for this vehicle, 404 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: and you'll have you'll have all the wiring diagrams and 405 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: all the information you could possibly want. You know, is 406 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: this is this your own vehicle? I'm assuming it is 407 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: Larry work work vehicle or pleasure vehicle or something. How 408 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: long you've been working on this? Uh? Two weeks? Right? Yeah, 409 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 1: we just spend forty five bucks at this point. Yeah, 410 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: So it's you know, and and you know what the 411 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: neat thing about all that at d I Y is 412 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: you'll have the exact same information that I see all 413 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: right in the shop. But it's just you're only gonna 414 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: get it for that one vehicle, and they give me 415 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: some options there. I think we're for ten bucks or 416 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: fifteen bucks. You can add another vehicle and so on 417 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: and so forth. You'll find them online. Just google all 418 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 1: that at D I Y and that'll take you out 419 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: to the website and you can kind of go from there. 420 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: All right, thank you, all right, you're very welcome, Larry. 421 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: Like I said, you send me an email request. I'm 422 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 1: glad to send you a wiring diagram. I don't want 423 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: to see a suffer You're very welcome, sir. Oh no, 424 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: speaking of suffering, No, I can't say that I love 425 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: death Walter from Hawaii. How did I know I was 426 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: going to end the day with you, sir Ron, Nice 427 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: to talk to you, YouTube buddy. What's going on? Well, 428 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: two things or several things. Number one is that I'm 429 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: only gonna say this two or three hundred more times. 430 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: I love my scanner. That that that launched to nine 431 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: works well, doesn't it? Yes? It does. I have to 432 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,239 Speaker 1: admit that I still experimenting with. It's somebody I'm not, 433 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: you know, proficient as yet, but I'll get there. Yeah, Walter, 434 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you it'll take you. It takes three 435 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,680 Speaker 1: to six months to get comfortable with a scan tool, 436 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: I think, and that's if you have cars to use 437 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: it on, you have any cars to use it. But 438 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: getting to the point here, last time I talked to here, 439 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: we talked about the uh Mitsu beach a Lancer two 440 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: point zero leader. Uh that would only idle since and 441 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: I've worked on it now everything uh that I've done 442 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: so far Now it runs and shifts gears and does 443 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: all stuff, but it's got all new problems that I quickly. 444 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 1: Did you see the email I sent the live data? Right? Yeah, 445 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: I've got it in front of me and I'm looking 446 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: at it. You know, Walter, this isn't good. You've you've 447 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: changed the way the vehicle operates. You're you're you're you're 448 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: going the other direction here, buddy. UM, what I would 449 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: be concerned with is the fact that and everything you've changed, 450 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 1: you put cranking camp sensors in it, right, and that 451 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: seems you know, I'm wondering, did that make the biggest difference? 452 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: You didn't change anything else that I can see? Correct, 453 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,000 Speaker 1: that's correct. Did you considered replacing the cam and the 454 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: crank sensors back with the old parts to see what 455 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 1: would happen. Yes, I put the uh well, I just 456 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: put the CAM sensor back because you know, the crank 457 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: sensors a bit to get to get into it. Yeah, 458 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: and uh uh it wouldn't run correctly with the old one, 459 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: but it but it didn't go back to just uh 460 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: you know, just idling. I was able to accelerate, but 461 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 1: it ran really rough. The problem now is I can't 462 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: I can't erase the codes. You know, they come I 463 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 1: go a race and then when I started again, they 464 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: come right back, and the idol is awful on it. Uh, 465 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's something I first I even looked at 466 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: the motor mounts to make sure that it wasn't just 467 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: jumping off the motor mount, which is not. Okay, So 468 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: it sounds like and just let's think about this a minute. 469 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: Let's assume that the scan tools correct, that you've legitimately 470 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: got those faults, that they're still there. It's still seeing 471 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: a problem cam and crank. Okay, all right, So let's 472 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: do this as a test, all right, because in the 473 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: back of your mind, I can tell you're wondering, is 474 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: the scan tool able to clear the code or is 475 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: there a fault somewhere else in the vehicle. Why don't 476 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: we Why don't we see how smart the PCM is. 477 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: Can you create another fault? I'm sure I could unplug something, 478 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: unplugged the throttle position, center of the mass airflow or 479 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: the O two cents or something and create a code, 480 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: get a code to set. I've disconnected the mass airflow sensor, 481 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: and I did all sorts of codes that are related 482 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: to it. When it's disconnected. Okay, you can clear those 483 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: codes and they don't come back correct once you plug 484 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: it back in. All right, then I've got to think legitimately. 485 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,920 Speaker 1: Then you've got it. You've really got a CAM and 486 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: a crank sensor circuit full. Unfortunately, the next step for 487 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: you is gonna be where I would tell you to 488 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: hook up a lab scope and start to look at 489 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 1: a few things. And I don't know that you have one. No, 490 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: I do not. So now I'm gonna ask you to 491 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: either go back and check the installation of that crank 492 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: sensor because changing the cam made no difference. You said, 493 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: that's correct, So you know, let's start to think about 494 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: that crank sensor and you know, maybe we've got something 495 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: wrong in the install of that, or maybe we've got 496 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: a problem with the part itself. I went as far 497 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: to I took the cover, you know, the on that 498 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: particular card, the timing dog cover has the connection to 499 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: the camps the crank center, yes, and which is a nuisance. 500 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: But anyway, I took that apart clean boat, you know boat, 501 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: to make sure that I hadn't reinstalled it dirty or something. 502 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: And it didn't make any difference. Well, I take the 503 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: censor out again, right, And I think that's where you're at. 504 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,199 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna, you know, at least if you 505 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: put the old crank center back in and if the 506 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: condition doesn't change, then we can move on and have 507 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: another conversation. You know, keep in mind and think of 508 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: it like this in the week between that we talked, 509 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: because I'm sure we'll talk next Saturday. Is you know, 510 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: if this is a if this is a one cylinder 511 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: lawn mower engine and it was doing the exact same thing, 512 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: how would you attack it? You know, you'd start to look, 513 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: say it was bart plug. Well, but you know, do 514 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: I have a do I have a restricted exhaust somehow? 515 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: Do I have something mechanical going on? Or is it 516 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: an input? And yet at this point I think it's 517 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 1: an input. You know. One of the things I was 518 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: thinking about as I was reading your email, I said, 519 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: I wonder if this car has an e g R 520 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: valven e g R valvis stuck open. Not that that 521 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: would create the cam crank centsor fault, but it sure 522 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: as heck wouldn't allow the vehicle to idle. What when 523 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: I know that? Uh? I hate to admit that I'm 524 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: a YouTube mechanic because you has talked disparagingly about us 525 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: so many times. But one of the chests it recommended 526 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: if you remove the wire, uh, you know, the connection 527 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: from the uh the M A F and the car 528 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: continues to run, there's a problem with the M a F. Uh. 529 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: And I did do that, and the car does continue 530 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: to run. Well, you know, on some cars there is Walter, 531 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: some cars have a backup built in. If you disconnect 532 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: from the M a F and it sells and sets 533 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: an M a F code, yes, then I'm gonna tell 534 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: you that the vehicle is probably operating in a backup. 535 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons I don't I probably don't 536 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: like to connect disconnecting M A F as much as 537 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: I used to. All Right, um, so let's just connect 538 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: to O two. Let's just connect throttle positions something else. 539 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: And by the way, it's not that I think YouTube 540 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: mechanics are bad. Listen, I look at YouTube all the time. 541 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just very judgmental. And what I'll look 542 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: and listen to. Uh, there's some there's some very smart 543 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: people out there on YouTube, and then there's some idiots 544 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: and play in English. Um, you know, well, yeah, it 545 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: comes down to you know, do you ever play tennis, Walter? 546 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: I know, thank god? Not all right, Well, I used 547 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: to in college, and I've learned that if I played 548 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: tennis with someone that was better than me, I came 549 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: up to their game and they came down to mind. 550 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: The problem on YouTube is I'm never quite sure which 551 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: which is the better tennis player, and I have to 552 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: be very careful. So hang on a minute. Well, don't 553 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: don't run away. Let me pull over and take this 554 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 1: pause and we'll come back. We'll finish up real quick. 555 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: I'm running ending the card doctor. We'll return right after this. Walter. 556 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: You're still there, sir. So you know when we pulled 557 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: away for the pause, one of the things I was 558 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: thinking about in the back of my head, I was 559 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: talking about e g R wasn't I if I recall correctly, 560 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: does this car have an e g R valve on it? 561 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if it hasn't, but yeah, I would 562 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: think so too. But just for giggles, I'm wondering if 563 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: the e g R valves stuck open and that's why 564 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: it won't idle. Of course, that doesn't explain that doesn't 565 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: explain why it's set in the cam and the crank faults, 566 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: which which you know, if the condition didn't exist prior 567 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: to changing the parts. Now I'm going to start to 568 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: think about the part that I put in, because we 569 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,479 Speaker 1: both know what new means. Yes, okay, so you know 570 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: the reason I changed the crank sensor was because I 571 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: had the front of the engine off and I said, 572 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: if it needs to replace it, I'm not going to 573 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: take this apart again, right well, and I understand that now. 574 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: The only other alternative is if if, if you've got 575 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: a buddy with a lab scope, it would be nice 576 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: to see the you know, see the square wave of 577 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: the crank censor and put up there on the screen. 578 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: And you know, a good scopeman could actually lay the 579 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: cam and the crank right up on the screen. Synchronize 580 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: the two of them trailing edge of the cam, trailing 581 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: edge of the crank, and show the events as they 582 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: were occurring electrically, and you could eliminate the fact and 583 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: you don't think the front of the d and apart again. 584 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: So it may pay for you to those around and see. 585 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: You know, is there a guy in your neighborhood? Is 586 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: there a mobile diagnostic guy that will come to the house, 587 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: and you know it might be worth it to spend 588 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: an hour of his time and he moved back to 589 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,719 Speaker 1: the mainland. Yeah, well it's yeah, it's I was one 590 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: of the kids, Walt. I was never in Hawaii. Oh 591 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: it wasn't me. Okay, um, but you know that run 592 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: I have to interrupt you for one second. My wife's 593 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 1: have to tell you this. My wife's and Nett you know, 594 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: Walton and that Disney anyway, she said, to remind you 595 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: that we do have a spare bedroom. Oh boy, well, 596 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: well I appreciate that, Walter. I'm uh there you go, 597 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,959 Speaker 1: she told me. Yeah, I know. But Walt, I know 598 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. I'm gonna come to Hawaii, right My 599 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: wife and your wife are gonna go out and see 600 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: the ocean and I'm gonna be working on cars. What's wrong? 601 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with that scenario. No, no, weal I'm 602 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: on I'm on vacation. Uh, that'll be the conversation. Yeah, 603 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: it'll be. It'll be the you know, I want to 604 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: go sleep on the beach. So you know, as long 605 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: as there's no there, there's no harpooner. Real quickly, what 606 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: I wrote is the new problem with the car is 607 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: that you know it. You can't clear the codes and 608 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't idle correctly. Could you tell me stuff by 609 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: stuff where to go from here? Yeah, let's look at 610 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: e g R. Do we have an e g R 611 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: valve on it? Let's let's let's if we can idle. 612 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 1: If we can idle, why can't we idle? I want 613 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: to get the cam and the crank checked all right, 614 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: because the problem, the problem started when you changed one 615 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: of those from what? From what? It sounds like those 616 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: are the only two you changed. That's anything I changed 617 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: or do I cleaned a bunch of stuff, well, you know, 618 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: but cleaned it how clean the throttle plate? Cleaning the 619 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: throttle plate won't make it not idle unless you've got 620 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: a vacuum line off somewhere all right? Which is? Which is? 621 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: You know? So let's take a look at Let's take 622 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 1: a look at vacuum and smoke check it and things 623 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: like that. But um cam crank, let's verify that if 624 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: we have to, let's change it back out. Let's make 625 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: sure the throttle plate. Let's make sure the throttle opens 626 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: and closes correctly. Let's make sure there's no vacuum windes off. 627 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: I know you said you smoke checked everything. And just 628 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: for giggles, let's entertain the thought about could we have 629 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: a restricted exhaust here? I don't think so, but it's 630 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: on the back of my mind as well. And the 631 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: last how about that? E g R. Well, I gotta go. 632 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: You got some work to do this week. I'll talk 633 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: to you next Saturday, eight zero zero. We're back right 634 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: after this. Welcome back right in the end, the car doctor. 635 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: Let's get over to Greg and Iowa. Greg, we're gonna 636 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: close it out with you today, buddy. What's going on? Hey, 637 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: My wife's has a two thousand and sixteen Jeep Cherokee 638 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: with the six cylinder engine. And uh, a few weeks ago, 639 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: when it was bitterly cold outside, UH, we got a 640 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: check engine light and the code was p O one 641 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: to eight and Um, I got at home, I double 642 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: checked the coolant level. Everything looked fine. Um. I cleared 643 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: the code and it didn't come back for several weeks. 644 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: Now it was really cold and my wife drives aggressively 645 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: sometimes in the morning when the engine maybe isn't warmed up, 646 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: and I thought maybe it things just got weird. But 647 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: it popped up a few weeks later when temperatures outsider 648 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: kind of moderate. Um, and does I I sat with 649 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: the car for a while. I watched the data stream. 650 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: Engine temperature appeared to come up normally when starting it 651 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: cold and just letting it warm up. I didn't see anything. 652 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: Screamed at me that there would be a problem. Um. 653 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: And I've I've read that they most common cause for 654 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: a p O on is a sticky thermostatic. Yep, and 655 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: uh have you seen this? A lot on? P zero 656 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: is a thermostatic all day long? In my book, um, 657 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: or at least it's a good starting point. How many 658 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:15,240 Speaker 1: miles are on this greg? Um only about the Yeah, 659 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: it's not a lot, But then again, I've got to 660 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: tell you it's it's two going on three years old now, 661 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 1: from the sounds of it, and I have seen more 662 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: than a few of these Chrysler stats start to fail 663 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 1: under fifty thousand miles, So you know, I think you're 664 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 1: either dealing with a thermostat issue or a software reef flesh. 665 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: But I don't know if any software updates for this. 666 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,719 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna tell you to get out to motor 667 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: Rad USA dot com. They've got some very good thermostats. 668 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: They are oequality, and take a look at those and 669 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: get it into your head that perhaps you want to 670 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 1: put a thermostat in and start the ball. From there, 671 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: I'm want any of the the car doctor. The mechanics aren't expensive. 672 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: There