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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 1: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 1: be happy.

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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 1: Eda State?

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Woo woom?

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Speaker 3: And Dan and Tye welcome back to the Celeburbal Boys Girls.

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Speaker 3: My name is ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over

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Speaker 3: there in sunny southern.

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Speaker 1: Chicago.

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Speaker 3: No, no, northern urbs. That's okay, northern burbs. Dan Rubinstein, sir,

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Speaker 3: how are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm good? I guess southern Wisconsin. Southern Wisconsin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I'm just a little south of I

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Speaker 3: want to try and remind you of your southern California roots.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate it. When it's six degrees outside,

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Speaker 1: I'm wonderful. I'm great. I'm especially excited for today's show

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Speaker 1: because we've we were having on a guest that I

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Speaker 1: think we've we've really liked from Afar for quite some time,

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Speaker 1: but have never had on the show. And then I

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Speaker 1: was on his podcast a few weeks ago when he

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Speaker 1: was doing a Heisman show, and then we got to

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Speaker 1: texting about pizza because I don't have anything else brings.

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Speaker 3: The world together. Sure, yeah. Desmond Howard, of course, proud

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Speaker 3: Michigan Wolverine, proud co host of ESPN's College Game Day.

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Speaker 3: And I just want the full Desmond Howard experience. I

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Speaker 3: want to know what he does to prepare. I want

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Speaker 3: to know what it was like getting involved in game day.

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Speaker 1: I want to know what it's like as a college

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Speaker 1: football talker and analyst in twenty twenty two. I'm interested

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Speaker 3: I want to know about the Hello Heisman moment. Sure,

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Speaker 3: I've been dying to know about the Hello Heisman moment.

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Speaker 3: I have read a lot about that moment. It was

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Speaker 3: an icon moment I suspect in both of our college

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Desmon Howard returns the punt November twenty third, nineteen

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Speaker 3: ninety one against Ohio State, strikes the pos as he

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Speaker 3: gets into the end zone. That moment will live on

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Speaker 3: forever in college football lore. And he'd ask him about

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Speaker 3: I've always wanted to ask him about that moment, how

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Speaker 3: it came to fruition.

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Speaker 1: So now I have my time on your birthday, not

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Speaker 1: just your birthday, your twenty first birthday. Twenty first birthday.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, that's right, and uh no, I mean

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Speaker 1: absolutely college football icon and he is, He's in our

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Speaker 1: curious about a lot. I'm curious about a lot of

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Speaker 1: what goes into the Desmond Howard experience. And he just

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Speaker 1: seems like a happy dude, and I like happy guys.

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Speaker 3: Well, true to form, Dan, we will ask both a

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Speaker 3: combination of the silliest and most serious questions imaginable here

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Speaker 3: on the show. Thank you so much for downloading, for listening,

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Speaker 3: Boo boop, damn. We've been teasing this for a while.

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Speaker 3: We've been working on this for quite some time. Yes,

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Speaker 3: we are thrilled to announce something new in the Soliverbal universe.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: That is true ty. We are releasing a brand new

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Speaker 1: podcast into the wild called Extra Nuggets Wow, and it's

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Speaker 1: game show, but I also like being a contestant on

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Speaker 1: it's a new podcast co hosted by myself and Adam Amine,

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Speaker 1: dear dear friend of the solid verbal Adam Amin. We

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Speaker 3: series of Extra Nuggets episodes that we're going to be

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Speaker 3: dropping every week throughout the month of March. Right now,

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Speaker 3: two episodes are out there. It's a quick listen. Like

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Speaker 3: you said, Dan, it's fun. It's thirty minutes of pop.

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Speaker 3: It won't set you back. Maybe you'll learn something new

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Speaker 1: And it's basically each episode one of us takes a

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Speaker 1: three years later. And so having Adam back in the fold,

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Speaker 3: thank you so much. All Right, with all that said,

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Speaker 3: You all know him well from ESPN, former Michigan Great

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Speaker 3: Heisman Trophy winning wide receiver, Jack of all trades, Desmond Howard.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Solid Verbal Sir, how are you hey?

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Speaker 4: First of all, thank you guys very much for having me.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing a fantastic big fan of your show, so

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Speaker 4: this is a thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Aw our pleasure. By the way, Ty, you skipped over

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Speaker 3: Why don't we start here?

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Speaker 1: Okay, it is the off season.

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Speaker 3: I can hazard a guess from your Instagram that you're

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Speaker 4: with your words, and you want to be a good

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Speaker 4: team player too, because, like I said, there are people

439
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Speaker 4: who they're over talking point and hell by the time

440
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Speaker 4: they get to me, I'm like.

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Speaker 2: Shit, what was the original question?

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Speaker 3: Well, hey, on that point, Desmond, do guys like Dad

443
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Speaker 3: and I annoy you and maybe not us specifically, but.

444
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Speaker 1: Well he could eat could be Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Sure, here's the reason I asked that You've obviously got

446
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Speaker 3: the accolades on.

447
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 2: The field annoying me how cause listen, I put you

448
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Speaker 2: like this.

449
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Speaker 4: Like the reason I even know Dan is because when

450
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Speaker 4: I started doing this job, I asked my wife to

451
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Speaker 4: help me find like reputable podcasts or reputable people who

452
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Speaker 4: know what they're talking about on Twitter, uh or on

453
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Speaker 4: social media. And she's like, very much, she's much more

454
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Speaker 4: into social media. I am, like, she's way more into

455
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Speaker 4: social media. So that's why I asked her to do

456
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Speaker 4: that for me. And she came up like with the

457
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Speaker 4: solid verbal with Dan, So you know, she co signed for.

458
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Speaker 2: You, guys, ask man, my wife gave you know, you know,

459
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Speaker 2: the salute. So no, you guys don't, don't you know,

460
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Speaker 2: whatever you say disturb me. Whatever, you guys don't annoy

461
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 2: me at all. But of course, listen, we got so

462
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: many people out there doing so many podcasts. Of course

463
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Speaker 2: there are some people out there who annoy the hell

464
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Speaker 2: out of me.

465
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Speaker 4: But you know, I just don't pay attention to them.

466
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 4: You know, it's just way too much. I'll I pay

467
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Speaker 4: them no attention time.

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Speaker 3: The reason I asked that is because you just know

469
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Speaker 3: so much about the game, and then there are dumb

470
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Speaker 3: dumbs like Dan and I who try to cover try

471
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Speaker 3: to cover it from the far strengths. We try to

472
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Speaker 3: cover it from as far as best we can and provide,

473
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Speaker 3: you know, an overview of what's going on. But does

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Speaker 3: it bother you maybe that there isn't quite the level

475
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Speaker 3: of analysis that you're used to as a former player,

476
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Speaker 3: or have you been able to sort of filter out

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Speaker 3: and find your own groove.

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Speaker 4: I believe that I've been able to filter out and

479
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Speaker 4: find my own group. But like you said, there's just

480
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 4: so many guys out there, and everything seems to be

481
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Speaker 4: data driven now, right, I.

482
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Speaker 2: Mean everyone, you know, the more data the better.

483
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Speaker 4: And what people don't understand is that it's okay to

484
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Speaker 4: have data, but you have to connect the dots and

485
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Speaker 4: make sure that your audience understands how that data fits

486
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Speaker 4: into context of the point that you're trying to make.

487
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Speaker 4: Like the people just throw out stats throughout numbers, but

488
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Speaker 4: they never make a connection to whatever point that they're

489
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Speaker 4: trying to make of how this really affected a game.

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Speaker 4: You know, I say, tell people all the time.

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Speaker 2: You know you can.

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Speaker 4: You can have a guy who toss for interceptions, but

493
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Speaker 4: you know, maybe one was a deflection, maybe the guy

494
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Speaker 4: stopped on the route. You know, But if you're not

495
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Speaker 4: telling the truth, I mean, numbers don't lie, but they

496
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Speaker 4: don't tell you the true story either.

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Speaker 2: They don't tell you the whole story either.

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Speaker 4: So I just don't like when people are just sitting

499
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Speaker 4: there forcing a bunch of numbers and the statistics and

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Speaker 4: data down the audience's throat without giving it proper context.

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Speaker 3: And the culmination for that is the playoff committee or

502
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Speaker 3: the playoff discussion. Right where you've got a thousand data points,

503
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Speaker 3: everyone's trying to filter out who goo belongs, who doesn't belong? Right,

504
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Speaker 3: ESPN's had the big campaign, who's in yeah a couple

505
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Speaker 3: of years running. Now, I guess like that that seems

506
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Speaker 3: to me like the ultimate super Bowl of trying to

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Speaker 3: mesh up the data, which is important and has its

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Speaker 3: own place with the eye test, the so called eye test.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, no, you're right about that.

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Speaker 4: And I mean we can talk about the college football

511
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Speaker 4: playoff and the selection committee and how that whole thing

512
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Speaker 4: is going right now if you want to.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we don't need to.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the time of year, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, damn time trying to send me down with that rabbit.

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Speaker 2: WHI I know.

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, in your good graces, no, continue, continue, No,

518
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Speaker 1: it's a worthwhile thing because it's, like you guys are

519
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Speaker 1: both talking about, it's something that it's almost impossible to

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Speaker 1: attach context too. Like and let if you want to

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Speaker 1: attach contact to who's in the top four, who's in

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Speaker 1: the top six, who's in the top ten, you have

523
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Speaker 1: to talk for an hour. You have to talk about injuries,

524
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Speaker 1: you have to talk about garbage time, you have to

525
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Speaker 1: talk about the coach was sick, or this guy was

526
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Speaker 1: hurt or this guy you know was hurt. But playing

527
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Speaker 1: like there's there's far too much context to actually give

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Speaker 1: and have it make sense, but that's what you're tasked with.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, you're right, and that's that's the challenge that

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Speaker 4: not only you know us, but the playoff committee. Now,

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Speaker 4: my biggest one of my one of my I guess

532
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Speaker 4: biggest gripes with the college selection College Playoff Selection Committee

533
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Speaker 4: is that they promised transparency.

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Speaker 2: That's what they see.

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Speaker 4: You know, we have a thirteen member group going to

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Speaker 4: be transparent, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: And the point that I've tried to make year after

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Speaker 2: year is that there's only as much transparency as the

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Speaker 2: selection committee chairperson can.

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Speaker 4: Can explain to us or can get a message across

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Speaker 4: to us. Me that if the selection committee chairperson is

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Speaker 4: sitting there and he's answering reeseus Davis Davis's question and

543
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 4: Reese Davis has asked them to me simple questions, he's

544
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Speaker 4: not giving us any real answers, then there's no transparency.

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00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 4: He's he's not telling us what's going on behind that

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00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,719
Speaker 4: role behind him, And then to me, you're still at

547
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 4: square one. And if he's not capable of doing that,

548
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Speaker 4: then you need to get another chairperson to lead the group.

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Speaker 4: So I've always had an issue with the way that

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Speaker 4: you know, probably definitely the last one.

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Speaker 2: The latest one has like.

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Speaker 4: Answered these questions and I thought they were real easy

553
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Speaker 4: questions and he just wouldn't give us anything. I'm like, well,

554
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Speaker 4: there there goes that transparency out the window because we

555
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 4: don't know that people are saying like they will say

556
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Speaker 4: say shit like, well, you know, there's thirteen guys in

557
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Speaker 4: that way. He knows that, okay, but this is his job.

558
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 4: They elected him to do this. And what really started

559
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: to piss me off was like there are questions that

560
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 4: you knew he.

561
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: Was going to have to answer, Like you just knew.

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Speaker 4: This is gonna be a question you're gonna be asked. Shit,

563
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 4: sit around with those thirteen guys and ask them. Guys, Listen,

564
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 4: when I go out there, David's gonna hit me.

565
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: With this question, this question.

566
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Speaker 4: These are like the three biggest topics in college football?

567
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Speaker 2: How should I address this?

568
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 4: It's like they never sit there and give him any

569
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Speaker 4: type of feedback or input or like even coach him up.

570
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Speaker 2: On how to answer, like to me, the top three

571
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: questions you know you're gonna get. So I just it

572
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Speaker 2: just doesn't sit well with me. You know what, Either

573
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Speaker 2: he's incapable of.

574
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Speaker 4: Answering these simple questions and at least giving us some

575
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Speaker 4: hope of transparency, or you know, he just they don't

576
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 4: like this, dude. They don't sit there and tell them listen, man,

577
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 4: this is what.

578
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: You need to say. This is what you need to do,

579
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: because this is what's going to happen. But I don't know.

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Speaker 4: That's just one of my biggest issues is we sit

581
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Speaker 4: there every we I don't know, Tuesday, Wednesday night, whatever,

582
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 4: whenever rankings come out. We get this guy and I'm like, okay,

583
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Speaker 4: I know resent going to ask him this. This is

584
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 4: the biggest These are the biggest questions of college football.

585
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Speaker 4: How is he going to answer them? And he gives

586
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Speaker 4: us absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 1: This is a totally leading question, and so I acknowledge

588
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Speaker 1: that absolutely going in. Do you like talking about the playoff?

589
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Speaker 1: You're going to campus every week you have fifty questions,

590
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: fifty matchups, sixty matchups, you know, maybe ten, fifteen, seventeen

591
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: or super interesting and worthwhile to spend time on. But

592
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: having the conversations about who's in the top four, who's

593
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Speaker 1: in the top eight, who's in the top ten. Is

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Speaker 1: that something that excites you or is that something that

595
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: is just a reality about the sport. And I ask,

596
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Speaker 1: because you're on campus. You're on campus for huge games

597
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: in October with huge meaning emotion, you know, in the standings, whatever,

598
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: for fans, for players, coaches, whatever. Is that something that

599
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: when you're studying on Tuesday or Thursday, is that something

600
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: that gets you going or is that something that you

601
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Speaker 1: just know is a reality about the conversation in the sport.

602
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Speaker 4: I enjoy talking about it when we start to get different,

603
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 4: different players with different teams in you know what I mean,

604
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Speaker 4: Like this team is now a player in the college

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00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 4: football or ranking. So that's when it gets exciting. That's

606
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Speaker 4: when it gets fun. And uh and that's what's interesting

607
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 4: because I believe that when you have different teams who

608
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Speaker 4: are now significant players in the college football playoff rankings,

609
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Speaker 4: then you you start to include more people, you start

610
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Speaker 4: to include more fan bases, and I think that's just

611
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Speaker 4: good for the sport in general. So at that point,

612
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 4: that's what When it's the same old, same old, you know,

613
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Speaker 4: I think that's it's just it just gets mundane to me,

614
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 4: you know, redundant.

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Speaker 2: But I do enjoy it when like you know, you

616
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Speaker 2: got the you got the group of five, you know

617
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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. You got yeah, you got different teams

618
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: who are part of it.

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Speaker 4: So when the conversation gets to expand that's why I

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Speaker 4: really enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: What is your week look like during the season?

622
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Speaker 2: Oh man, my week is crazy.

623
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 4: It's and it starts pretty much on Sunday. You know,

624
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 4: you look at Sunday and I start to look at

625
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 4: at the potential games for for for a game day

626
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 4: where we may land and we may get a call

627
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 4: or email sometime third Sunday evening to say where we're going.

628
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 4: But you know, you start to recap because you get

629
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 4: those late West Coast games and you know, I try

630
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 4: to stay up as as long as I can and

631
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 4: check those out. And then you start to look at, Okay,

632
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 4: who won, who lost, what happened, look at some highlights.

633
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 4: So that's Sunday Monday. I really try to talk to

634
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 4: like I like to talk to. I love to talk

635
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 4: to coordinators. And when they call those people now they

636
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 4: used to call them like quality control coaches. They call

637
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 4: the analysts the office and defensive analysts, right, because it's

638
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 4: one thing to say, oh, you know, I spoke to

639
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 4: Nick Saving and blah blah blah. But I don't even

640
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 4: like to drop names like that because I don't like

641
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 4: to bother those people unless I really have to. You know,

642
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 4: normally the coordinators or the analysts, they have just as

643
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 4: much information, if not more, because they're like focused on

644
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 4: that group, focused on that side of the ball, will

645
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 4: have you so anyway, So I start to make the

646
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 4: calls like Monday Tuesday to get like background information on

647
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 4: you know, whoever. You know I'm covering, which is which

648
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 4: is which? Are a bunch of teams, And I do

649
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 4: that Monday and Tuesday. I love to watch film on

650
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 4: Tuesday also, and then by Tuesday I start to get

651
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 4: an idea of the rundown that we're going to have

652
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 4: for our show on Saturday. Definitely should have that by Wednesday.

653
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 4: And I'm still doing a lot of delayed work. So

654
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 4: my weeks are pretty much my days. I'm sorry, My

655
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Speaker 4: days are pretty much comprised of phone calls like I said,

656
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 4: and analysts, coordinators, watching film and then getting the rundown

657
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 4: and talking that through with the producer. And then after

658
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 4: that I put together these tapes because I do what

659
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 4: we call exit note tapes too, and it may be

660
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 4: a matchup.

661
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, well, I want to.

662
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 4: Talk about Jamis Williams, you know, going against you know,

663
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 4: this Georgia defense. So at that point, now I have

664
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 4: to talk to our guy at ESPN and tell him, Okay,

665
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 4: I need you to pull this play from this game.

666
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 4: It was a third quarter, three point fifteen on the clock,

667
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: and see if you can find that players, you know,

668
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 4: pass the Jamis Jamison Williams.

669
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: Stuff like that, and then which is that's a that's

670
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: a process too.

671
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 4: And then after he pulls the player said, I need

672
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 4: you to pause it right here because I want to

673
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 4: show this that we can get it run and then

674
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 4: stop it to get right here, and he has to.

675
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: Build enough cushion then for me to explain my point

676
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: that I want to make. So now you know I

677
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: may do that.

678
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 4: For like three or four games too. So that's another

679
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 4: part of what happens during the week. So outside of

680
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 4: like my my fatherly and husband duties, you know that

681
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 4: those are our work duties.

682
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 3: So obviously there is staff that helps with things like clips, data,

683
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: other factoids that you're gonna need in order to stay

684
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,439
Speaker 3: educated and know what's going on. You've got the crew

685
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: that helps move game day from wherever it's going to

686
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 3: be one week to another. You've got guys who run

687
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 3: the camera, the audio, all these things. What I think

688
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: a lot of folks don't realize is the small army

689
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: that it takes to put on a production like that,

690
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: especially one as iconic as Game Day, which is front

691
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: stage center every Saturday. Can you give us a sense

692
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 3: for you talked earlier about finding a way to fit

693
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: into that team. Give us a sense for the full

694
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: scale of the team. It's not just the guys you

695
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 3: see on TV.

696
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean, I'm glad you asked that question

697
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 4: because the best analogy that I I like to use is,

698
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 4: I say, college game Day is like a traveling concert

699
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 4: and wherever we go, we go to that city and

700
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 4: we build a stage. They have the Jumbo trone, they

701
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 4: have big speakers. I say, so, if you've ever been

702
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 4: to a concert, just imagine that production every single week

703
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 4: in a different city. And it can be you know,

704
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 4: it can be you know, it can be a pull

705
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 4: m in Washington, or it can be in Miami, floy

706
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 4: that can be in the furthest corners of this country.

707
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 4: And if you ever watch, like on YouTube one of

708
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 4: those videos where they just put everything on hyper speed.

709
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 4: They can show you how they construct the stage or

710
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 4: put this blah blah blah blah blah. Like that's what

711
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 4: we when we have every week. So we have like

712
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 4: a tremendous crew that does an outstanding job, and we

713
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 4: try to.

714
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: Give them as much credit and props during the during

715
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: the season and definitely.

716
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 4: At the end of the season as we possibly can.

717
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 4: And not only that, guys, but then you appreciate this.

718
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 4: I don't know, you're you know, you know you're eating

719
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 4: habits tie, but I know, Daniel Love it's like they're

720
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 4: great cooks. Like they cook they I mean, they're great

721
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 4: because they do like a whole spread no matter where

722
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 4: we are, and then they'll try to like pick the

723
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:26,959
Speaker 4: food or pick items that are like I guess they're

724
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 4: I guess traditionally of that area, his worth, that area

725
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 4: just something that that that that area is known for us,

726
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 4: so to speak. So I mean, but they're great cooks.

727
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 4: And that's why I love going to road with these

728
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 4: guys because every uh, every Friday afternoon, I go to

729
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 4: like the little spread that they have and they put

730
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 4: it together.

731
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 2: They do a great job. So not only are they

732
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 2: you know, actually what they do as far as.

733
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 4: Like constructing the stage, putting up the gymo tron, the speakers,

734
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 4: you know, the cameras and everything. But then they you know,

735
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 4: they go shopping and you know they they cooked their

736
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: bus off.

737
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: So is this a great crew?

738
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: One of the things that I discovered. So I'm from

739
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: the southern California, LA area. I go to college at

740
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: the University of Oregon, and I discover college football culture

741
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: because that just doesn't exist in LA in the way

742
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: that it does elsewhere, as good as USC and UCLA

743
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: have been whenever they've been good. And so then I

744
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 1: get the job at Sports Illustrated and I am literally

745
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm paid to eat other people's food at tailgates and

746
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: make fun of their teams.

747
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 2: That was my job.

748
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: So I discover I discover college football. I discovered different towns.

749
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: I discover America in a way that I never had before.

750
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: What is it that you've discovered. You're from Ohio, you

751
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: go to the University of Michigan. You played a number

752
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: of different in a dumb number of different NFL cities.

753
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: But you're on the road constantly. You're eating, you're going

754
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: to record stores, you're working out, you are seeing places

755
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: that you probably had no concept for growing up in

756
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: the Midwest. So what has what is traveling and seeing

757
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: the country via college football taught you?

758
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 4: Well, I've never been a person who understood or actually

759
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 4: who took part in tailgate like.

760
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 2: I just never. I never tailgated.

761
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 4: I didn't understand now that whole culture like the tailgating.

762
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 4: So this opened my eyes to tail gatting. But even

763
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 4: more importantly, my eyes were open to how different I

764
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 4: guess conferences tailgate.

765
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:22,719
Speaker 2: Like.

766
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 4: Give you a perfect example. So I guy from the

767
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 4: Big Ten Midwest. You know, you go to the Big

768
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 4: Ten game tailgateing. The guys passed around beer, right, like

769
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 4: a lot of beer.

770
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: Now you go to an SEC game and they're tailgating

771
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: and they're passed around like brown liquor, like early in

772
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: the morning.

773
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 1: Yep, like early.

774
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: No, this is not like let's work our way up

775
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: to the liquor like no, no, this is like boom

776
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: like with game days.

777
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 4: Right there, I'm walking through, I'm like, yep, brown liquor

778
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 4: out here, and by Tom Rouge, they're not playing around.

779
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: Buddy, I've eaten alligator out of an alligator, I've eaten

780
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: I've eaten suckling pig, I've eaten oysters out of the

781
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: water next to a tail, next to a tailiate, next

782
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: to a stadium, Like it's it's a ridiculous thing that

783
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it separates college football from other sports,

784
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: but it's you really have no idea when I mean,

785
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: I came from the West Coast. You come from the Midwest.

786
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: So now what is what is left for you?

787
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 3: Like?

788
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: Do you want to see more smaller schools? Do you

789
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: want to go back certain places? Is there something you

790
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: want to add to your I guess cultural experience about

791
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: traveling the country.

792
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, day what One of the things that I've noticed

793
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 4: is some of our best shows, some of our most

794
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 4: iconic shows are when we go to locations off the

795
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 4: beaten path, you know, when we go somewhere where we've

796
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 4: never been before. So love we loved when we went

797
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 4: to North Fargo, North Dakota.

798
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, we went there too.

799
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 2: It's great, incredible, just everything you could ask for was

800
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 2: that was there was provided. It was an outstanding show.

801
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: We went to Man, we went to well it was

802
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 4: we went to James Madison, we went to I mean,

803
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 4: anytime we go to like a smaller, you know, school

804
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 4: and give them a lot of attention, a lot of love.

805
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 4: It's just great, and so I would love to do

806
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 4: more of that.

807
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: You know.

808
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 4: Then we do, like, you know, we did a show

809
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 4: up in Times Square, you know, we do you know,

810
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: shows like that. Those shows are just special. They're they're different,

811
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 4: they're challenging, they're always you know, they're very challenging, but

812
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 4: you know, we always find a.

813
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: Way to pull them off.

814
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, I love doing those shows because they just

815
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 4: they just extraordinary. The people are incredible, they're so gracious,

816
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 4: and they're you know, they're the best hosts.

817
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: And I just think the energy because our show fees

818
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: off of the energy of our crowd, and those shows

819
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: are probably probably the most energized shows that we ever have.

820
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,839
Speaker 2: So it's great and I would love to do more

821
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: shows like that.

822
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you mentioned the energy of the crowd

823
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,959
Speaker 3: because I was just thinking as you were talking about

824
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 3: traveling the country. You know, like we've done live shows

825
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 3: here and there, and most of what we do is this,

826
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: but there is definitely a different vibe when you're in

827
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 3: front of a live audience, doesn't matter what you're doing.

828
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 3: Do you feel almost a bit of a letdown when

829
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 3: you have to go back into the studio and you're

830
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 3: talking with all the same guys and you're talking about

831
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: all the same things, but suddenly you don't have that

832
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: energy to feed off of.

833
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a very like foreign atmosphere for us. Anytime

834
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 4: we have to do anything in a studio, it's a

835
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 4: completely foreign atmosphere for us. It feels odd. You know,

836
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 4: I would even ventually say it feels kind of awkward

837
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 4: at the beginning. You know, yeah, it's just not us.

838
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 4: It's not Game day, you know, when we're forced to

839
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 4: do that. I don't think that it has that same

840
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 4: game day flavor to it either. So you know, we

841
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 4: do it outside in any circumstance outside of lightning.

842
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 2: That's the only time that we ever go in we

843
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 2: were well, we've.

844
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 4: Been in like snowstorms were they were up in Kalamazoo,

845
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 4: Michigan for Western Michigan, I believe, and it was like

846
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 4: a snowstorm and it was like that's all you saw

847
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 4: was just snow everywhere, and the crowd didn't leave, they

848
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 4: stayed and it was just it was great. So yeah,

849
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 4: we don't you know, we we don't shy away from

850
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 4: the elements. The only time we ever you know, are

851
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 4: driven inside normally would be because of lightning.

852
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 3: Right, Where do you think game Day goes next? I

853
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: don't mean literally in terms of location, but the broadcast

854
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 3: has evolved greatly over the course of time. You've added

855
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 3: more windows to the broadcast. It's certainly grown in prominence

856
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 3: throughout college football and college football fandom. You know, is

857
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 3: there a particular topic or a particular way of covering

858
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: a particular topic that you'd like to see the broadcast

859
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: do more of? Like what do you think is the

860
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 3: next frontier when it was with respect to pre shows?

861
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 4: I think for a game day it's gonna have to

862
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: be some sort of some sort of play where they

863
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 4: can work in social media. Social media is going to is,

864
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 4: you know, just a huge platform, and they're gonna have

865
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 4: to figure way figure out a way to work in

866
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 4: social media in a very creative way that doesn't disrupt

867
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 4: the show, but it adds something to the show.

868
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 2: I also think that we need to start to.

869
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 4: Do more with the HBCUs. I think we bring in more,

870
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 4: you know, h HBCU coverage. That's another audience that you're

871
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 4: bringing into game day. So when you ask that question, Todd,

872
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 4: those are just the two things that popped into my

873
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 4: head immediately.

874
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: You have to figure out.

875
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 4: A way to creatively bring in social media and because

876
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 4: that's just a huge.

877
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: You know, huge audience. And then obviously HBCUs. You know,

878
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: we did.

879
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 4: Some some stuff at the beginning of the season a

880
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 4: year ago, but it has to be continued.

881
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: I think we need to do something on a week

882
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: to week, on a weekly basis.

883
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: What do you want to do? What is not next

884
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 1: for you? But some of your co host call games,

885
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: some of your co hosts call other sports. Obviously you

886
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: used to host with Chris Faller, he does a number

887
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 1: of other sports. Do you want to host a game show?

888
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: Do you want to host a food show? Do you

889
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: want to host a studio show? Do you what? What

890
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: is it that? Because it is a shorter season, if

891
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: you had to expand your wingspan, your your creative wing span,

892
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: what are you doing?

893
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 4: I would love to do a show about health and

894
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 4: fitness and wellness.

895
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 2: That's why I would love to do it.

896
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 4: It would incorporate some sort of working out and also,

897
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 4: like you said, it would have a culinary spin to

898
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 4: it too, because I do like to cook too, So

899
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: that's what I would love to do.

900
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, all right, so what do you so

901
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: the National Championship Game ends? Nick Saban or whoever raises

902
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: a trophy up? It's mid January? What are you doing what?

903
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: Like?

904
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: If you're not calling other sports like And first of all,

905
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: there's no wrong answer to this. If you're saying, I

906
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: go biking and I help my kids with biology homework,

907
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: it's an amazing answer. I just don't know because I

908
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 1: miss you from mid jaquar it's mid August.

909
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's a good it's a good question.

910
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 4: And I would normally I would contribute to other shows

911
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 4: like maybe Get Up and maybe Sports Center, and you know,

912
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 4: especially leading up to the Super Bowl, when when the

913
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,760
Speaker 4: Packers were still in it, then it was like, yeah, yeah,

914
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 4: I was even more relevant, you know.

915
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: But then they dropped the ball. They just they choked.

916
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: It happens.

917
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it does, just be right exactly then. But then

918
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 4: after the super Bowl at that point that's February. Yeah,

919
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 4: I would say, I'm chilling, chilling for a minute. But now,

920
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 4: to be honest with you, guys, this sport literally becomes

921
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 4: twenty you know, three sixty five because you have the

922
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 4: transfer portal and you have all these coaches hopping around,

923
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 4: you know, so now you have to stay down. Then

924
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 4: you just you know, because before you go, okay, everyone's

925
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 4: stand put everyone's where they are is good. Now you

926
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 4: have to transfer portal. You have all this other stuff

927
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 4: going on. So because of that, that's kept me pretty

928
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 4: busy because you got to, you know, keep an eye on. Okay,

929
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 4: this coach, now did he leave no, the Dame to

930
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 4: go to LSU. But okay, which coaches are he taking

931
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 4: with him? You know which coaches are staying?

932
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 2: Okay? Now, now what's left to know to Dame?

933
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 4: Okay, this guy left from he left from Oklahoma to

934
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 4: go to USC.

935
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: Who do Lincoln Riley take with them? Who's staying at USC? Okay?

936
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 4: How about his his go now his quarterback who used

937
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 4: to be Oklahoma Kaelen Williams.

938
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,399
Speaker 2: He just ended the transfer portal. Guys in wonder where

939
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 2: is he gonna land? You know what I mean? Yeah?

940
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 4: Right, So now's just enough to like really keep you involved,

941
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 4: even though you're now on TV talking about it. There's

942
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 4: so much behind the scenes that you have to stay

943
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 4: connected to it because then you have spring football.

944
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,479
Speaker 2: And I tell all my.

945
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 4: Friends say, spring football is when I get a chance

946
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 4: now to see where everyone has landed.

947
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 2: Right now, you kind of got your roster.

948
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 4: You know who's coaching here, who's coaching there, who's going

949
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 4: to be the quarterback? And then that's where all the

950
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 4: competition really starts to who's going to be the starting

951
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,840
Speaker 4: quarterback in the fall.

952
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 2: And so you know you're dialed into that.

953
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 4: And this is in spring football is like right now,

954
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 4: like spring football is taking place today like right now

955
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 4: for a lot of teams, they're practicing. So even though

956
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 4: we're now on TV talking about it, there's still like

957
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 4: a lot of behind the scenes work that's going on

958
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 4: just to stay up on who's where and what's going

959
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 4: on at these different programs.

960
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: You found yourself getting attention for things that you said

961
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: with regard to players transferring around, with the ability to

962
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: transfer and opting out of balls. And I think it's

963
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: one of those things that you having to speak in

964
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: twenty to thirty second soundbites actually worked against you. And

965
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: I think Kerkherbsure got a lot of attention for what

966
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: he talked about. As you smile, because I'm sure you

967
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:06,720
Speaker 1: had a lot of you still have a lot of thoughts.

968
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: Is that one of those things that really having that

969
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: ability to distill thoughts to twenty or thirty seconds really

970
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 1: does work against you, because, as far as I can

971
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: tell from watching you and listening to you, you're not

972
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: anti player. You are not anti twenty twenty two player.

973
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: You are just as I think we all are, sort

974
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: of getting used to certain new realities of the sport.

975
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: Is that true?

976
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? Absolutely? I tell people, listen, you cannot

977
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 2: find another analyst who's more pro player, who's been more

978
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: pro player than Desmond Howard as long as.

979
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,760
Speaker 4: I've been more pro player. I'll give you a perfect example.

980
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 4: When Reggie Bush is at USC. He was going through

981
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 4: that whole thing about they receive impermissible benefits and blah

982
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 4: blah blah. I went on ESPN News and I said

983
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 4: that I thought I thought USC old Reggie Bush money,

984
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 4: and people thought that I was crazy. Then how could

985
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 4: you say that, you know, you know, you get all

986
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 4: those same arguments. You know, he's on scholarship against books

987
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 4: and room page for him.

988
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. Said, listen, all you have to do

989
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 2: is open the books. How many of those number five

990
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: jerseys the USC sale before Reggie Bush Ward? Now, how

991
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,720
Speaker 2: many jerseys have they sold since he's wren a jersey,

992
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: it's really simple arithmetic. You can tell that he's given

993
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 2: that jersey a tremendous amount of value. There's no denying

994
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: that he deserves a piece of that pie. How could

995
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: you not pay this man for his likeness? And you

996
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 2: guys are running around here worried.

997
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 4: About if his parents got this or if he received.

998
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: That he deserves that.

999
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 4: They're making all this money off this man's likeness, and

1000
00:49:58,040 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 4: Reggie know his parents can get a.

1001
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: I'm out of it, and everybody's cool with this.

1002
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 4: And so I said, you guys, let these kids sign

1003
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 4: let be letters have been tent that that they pretty

1004
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 4: much signed away their likeness for. And I had to

1005
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 4: ask my wife what this word meant, because she's the

1006
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 4: she's the one who went to Howard law. I said,

1007
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 4: what the hell does perpetuity mean? She said that like

1008
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 4: that means beyond forever. I was like, wait, wait, wait,

1009
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 4: I said, so all you guys here are okay with

1010
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 4: these high school kids signing away their likeness for perpetuity

1011
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 4: like that makes no sense. No one ever captain trop

1012
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 4: so anyway, so this was me. Then you get guys

1013
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 4: who I think he's an attorney tune and he's well respected.

1014
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 4: He and he's he's uh, you know, he's very intelligent,

1015
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 4: like Jay billis. So now he Billis starts to send

1016
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 4: out tweets about it, and now people start.

1017
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: Saying, well, you know what, I guess, I guess he

1018
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 2: has a good.

1019
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 4: Point there, Like you know, maybe they should I mean,

1020
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 4: maybe not pay them as just you know, students, but

1021
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 4: for their likeness.

1022
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: I think, you know, you have a point like this

1023
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 2: shit I've been saying for it since oh five or whatever,

1024
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

1025
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 4: So there has never been an analyst on TV that's

1026
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 4: been pro player that I've come across that that's always

1027
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 4: been on the side of the player.

1028
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 2: And they're getting their likeness.

1029
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 4: Even when they they wouldn't let the kid up there

1030
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 4: Northwestern when they wanted to form a union and they

1031
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 4: shot that down.

1032
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 2: I went on TV.

1033
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:32,800
Speaker 4: I said, listen, that's because they don't want you to

1034
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 4: have a seat at the table. But I said, you

1035
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 4: don't even have to form a union. All you need

1036
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 4: to do is come together as a group and you

1037
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 4: can make you can institute change like that. And that's

1038
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 4: what happened at Missouri when they wanted to get that

1039
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 4: president out of there. They got together, as you know,

1040
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 4: as a team, they said, listen, we ain't playing because

1041
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 4: you know, we don't like what's going on on campus,

1042
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 4: and we don't like how he's handling what's going on campus.

1043
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 4: And they came together and boom, that guy was out

1044
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 4: of them. So I've always been pro player. Uh any

1045
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 4: comment that I made about players like you know, opting out,

1046
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 4: you know, they tried to make it seem as though,

1047
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 4: uh well you know they really jumped on Herb Street,

1048
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 4: and you know it was it was you know, I

1049
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 4: knew what he was trying to say. People didn't understand,

1050
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 4: like it's you know, we come from a generation where

1051
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 4: the only time you didn't play was if you were hurt, right,

1052
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 4: you know, and we always show like the the clips

1053
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 4: of like an Ed Reid, you know, shut telling his guys,

1054
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 4: Yeah I'm hurt, man, But that what I'm going out

1055
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 4: here playing anyway. So you take that mentality and you

1056
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 4: try to put into now where players are like, well,

1057
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 4: you know, I'm go gohead and get ready for the draft.

1058
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 4: You know, this is a great opportunity. We got a

1059
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 4: hell of a bowl matchup.

1060
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: They're a great team.

1061
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 4: We have a great team. I know my teammates need

1062
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 4: my services for this game in order for us to

1063
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 4: beat team. But I'm looking out for me now and

1064
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna sit.

1065
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: This one out. I don't want to get injured.

1066
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 4: And I was like, well, because of the way things

1067
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 4: are today with coaches, they're jumping ship.

1068
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 2: You know, we have a Brian Kelly whose.

1069
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 4: Team had an outside chance of getting into the college

1070
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 4: football playoff.

1071
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 2: He didn't give a damn. He said, I'm still going

1072
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: to LSU, so he left his team. How to drought.

1073
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 2: When kids see that, and kids start to understand now

1074
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: how much these coaches are getting paid, how much they're getting.

1075
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:38,919
Speaker 4: Paid from radio, these shows that they have, from sponsorship

1076
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 4: deals that they have. Now kids are saying, well, I

1077
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 4: have to look out for me. So I understand that mentality,

1078
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 4: especially when they didn't even get any money for NIL.

1079
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 4: But now Cuba, okay, you guys get name, image and likeness.

1080
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 4: So I completely understand that. We were just talking about

1081
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 4: a situation where, you know, back in that was unheard of.

1082
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 4: You never just left your team high and dry because

1083
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 4: you wanted to get ready for the draft. You never

1084
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 4: did it. Only time you would ever not play was

1085
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 4: if you had an injury. But now, hey, they just

1086
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 4: followed the same I guess the same pattern with some

1087
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 4: of these coaches.

1088
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: They're chasing the bags and it is what it is.

1089
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Speaker 1: It is what it is, and it's one of those

1090
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: things where it's very difficult not to say when you know,

1091
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: two star Ohio State receivers decide not to play in

1092
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: an enormous Rose Bowl. The Rose bull is still a

1093
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: humongous game, so it's easy to say, look, I get

1094
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: what they're doing. They don't want to get hurt before

1095
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: the draft. But also, like we are all consumers of

1096
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl, and it makes us sad that we

1097
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: don't get to watch them against a really strong Utah team,

1098
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: or see Kenny Pickett against Michigan State and to see

1099
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 1: them not that they have anything to prove for this

1100
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: one last game, but I think a lot of us

1101
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: view college football as an incredible TV show, and it's

1102
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: now going to be one without who we're watching for.

1103
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: And you know, some tas are lucky enough to have

1104
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,720
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and jigbub behind. Those two guys behind them

1105
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 1: to pick up the slack. But it's it's a weird

1106
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 1: thing where I think we need to position it as

1107
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: like it's not a good thing that we don't get

1108
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: to see them, right, because we love the sport because

1109
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: of the players, and I think that can be misinterpreted

1110
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: as we are upset at them personally when it's just

1111
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: we like watching them and we're said we don't get

1112
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: to watch them.

1113
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 4: That's it, that's right. I mean, you know, listen, you

1114
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 4: want to see the best against the best. You want

1115
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 4: to see this team at his strength, I guess this

1116
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 4: other team and this strength. You know you want to see,

1117
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 4: you know, these matchups, and you know you kind of

1118
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 4: get robbed of those matchups nowadays. But that's the way

1119
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,720
Speaker 4: things are nowadays. So I completely understand it. And whether

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00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 4: we like it or not, I think it's only going

1121
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 4: to start to trend into uh in that direction, and

1122
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 4: you know, more and more players are going to start

1123
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 4: to do that, so might as well start getting used

1124
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 4: to it.

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00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: One one thing that Ty and I do, which makes

1126
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: no sense, but it makes us laugh, and I just

1127
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: wanted you to weigh in here. We do a Saturday

1128
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: morning show. It's called Solid Saturday. It's our version of

1129
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: like a live pregame thing. That we just have fun

1130
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 1: with on YouTube, and we judge our excitement for the

1131
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: games based on a scale of one through five. Jacked

1132
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: Fowlers Because Chris Fowler, the former host of Game Day,

1133
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 1: posts an overwhelming amount of content of him lifting weights,

1134
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 1: Tai and I send each other whenever he posts it.

1135
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: It's like a red alert. They're like, oh shit, Chris

1136
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 1: Fowler got ad signal. Vower's at it again. Fowler's hammering

1137
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 1: the deltoids. How central to his identity is him working

1138
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: out and like he will get into it with people

1139
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: in the comments on his Instagram who are like, oh,

1140
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: I know about that technique. He was like, actually I

1141
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: ran it by four trainers Like okay, okay, So are

1142
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: we are we honoring Chris Fowler because we feel like

1143
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: we are. So is that essential part of his identity,

1144
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: the the the vision and quest to get yoked.

1145
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what his ultimate goal is, but he's

1146
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:23,440
Speaker 4: definitely committed. Yeah, looking out, Yeah, fitness to taking care

1147
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 4: of himself.

1148
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's committed. There's no doubt about that.

1149
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 4: And we we used to work out together and I'll

1150
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 4: tell you what, man, it's impressive.

1151
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: It's very impressive. Yeah, best buddy that you that you

1152
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 2: picked up with because I can play about it.

1153
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: Look at this, if you're watching, you can look at

1154
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: your screen. Right there, there's five Jack Fowlers on the screen.

1155
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: It's him wearing an extra tight shirt and pointing to

1156
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: his packs. That's five out of five Jack Fowlers right there.

1157
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: We're very serious about being silly about very random college

1158
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: football things.

1159
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 4: It's really funny that you picked up on how serious

1160
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 4: he is about it and how if you question him,

1161
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 4: he's going to give you some data that's going to

1162
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 4: support him. Because like when I first started doing Game Day,

1163
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 4: I remember coming home and I was talking to my

1164
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 4: daughter Sydney, and I was like just blown away by

1165
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 4: how much time they would spend on a topic that

1166
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 4: I thought, you know, it's not that important because he

1167
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 4: well not only Kirk Chris, but Chris was the one

1168
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 4: who's the leader. He paid such attention to detail to

1169
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 4: certain things. I was always impressed by that, and I

1170
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 4: was like man like and he would spend like, you know,

1171
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five minutes like hammering on something that he

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00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 4: thought was important.

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00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: Was I thought it was like something that's a throwaway,

1174
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 2: but you know, because he cared that.

1175
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 4: Much about the audience and about what we provided for

1176
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 4: them and what we put out there, the product, and

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00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 4: so he that's just who he is. So when you

1178
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 4: will you take that same mentality now and you put

1179
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 4: it towards how he is about working out. You know,

1180
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 4: he's going to do some homework, he's going to do

1181
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 4: some research, and if you questioned that man anything that

1182
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 4: he's doing, he's going to fire back at you.

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00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 2: So you better appreciate that.

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00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 1: I feel like if I met I mean, I've met

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00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,919
Speaker 1: Chris a couple of times, but if I just found

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00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: myself in a conversation about working out with him, he'd

1187
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: be like, what's your what's your PLM? And like, and

1188
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: he'll tell you he's like, mine's four point two. Like

1189
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: I don't know what PLM is. I don't know four

1190
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: point two is good. I don't know if higher than

1191
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: four point two is worse. Right, I can appreciate him

1192
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: getting like we all need to be dorks about something,

1193
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: So I can appreciate that absolutely.

1194
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the he does.

1195
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 4: Definitely pays attention to detail and he's gonna do uh,

1196
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 4: He's going to do his research, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: Desmond.

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Speaker 3: We'll get you out of here on this. I've always

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01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 3: wanted to ask you this question. Okay, you were part

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01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 3: of one of the iconic college football moments. I'm referring

1201
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 3: to the Hello Heisman moment you run a punt back

1202
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:13,919
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety one on my birthday. I would add

1203
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety one, you strike the Heisman pose after you

1204
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 3: run it back, Keith Jackson moment, Hello Heisman as you're

1205
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 3: running into the end zone, you got the number one

1206
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 3: finger up, you're running in, you.

1207
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 2: Do the post.

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01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 3: I read somewhere that you had a different touchdown celebration

1209
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 3: in mind that you didn't do.

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01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 2: I did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'd like to know the genesis of that

1212
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 3: Heisman post. If it was something that was planned, if

1213
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 3: it came to you just sort of on a whim.

1214
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 3: What can you talk us through how that whole situation transpired?

1215
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 2: Wow?

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01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, So I always thought it would be really

1217
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 4: cool to do a backflip into the end zone. So

1218
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 4: that's then to the end zone, like a backflip, like

1219
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 4: maybe stop at the one yard line, reggie backflip. Yeah,

1220
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 4: you know exactly. Yeah, I said that'd be cool. So

1221
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 4: I was dating a gymnast, right, and that was just

1222
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 4: a lot of fun, just so much fun. She was incredible, outstanding.

1223
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. She also taught me how to do a backflip, right. Yeah.

1224
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 4: So she told me, I do this backflip, and I

1225
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, cool, I'm gonna do this right, And

1226
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 4: it was a thing.

1227
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 2: It was like, ok I'm gonna do this.

1228
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 4: If I ever break out in the open out there,

1229
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 4: no one's gonna catch me.

1230
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to do a backflip.

1231
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 4: So here it is now the golden opportunity playing against

1232
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 4: the Buckeyes.

1233
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: This is the game.

1234
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 4: And you know, at this point I'm the Heisman front runner,

1235
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 4: and I'm like, and to give it context, I scored

1236
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 4: a bunch of touchdowns that season. I never did anything

1237
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 4: outside of what we call the Barry Sanders like hand

1238
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 4: the ball to the official turn around, celebrate with your teammates.

1239
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 4: Every single time I sport, That's what I did. And

1240
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 4: so now it's like, man, if I get in the

1241
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 4: end zone today.

1242
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 2: Born and raised in Cleveland, Ohio, this is the biggest

1243
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: rivalry in all the sports. I gotta do this backlip

1244
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: if I get the opportunity. So here, I am now like,

1245
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 2: you know, you couldn't have scripted it better.

1246
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 4: You really couldn't. It's a punt return. I'm out in

1247
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 4: the open. I'm looking at the punter, says, I'm looking

1248
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 4: at the punter.

1249
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 2: Guys. I'm like, Okay, am I gonna do this thing?

1250
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 3: Or not?

1251
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 2: Because he's not gonna catch me.

1252
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 4: I break to my left outrun the punter, and I'm like,

1253
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 4: am I gonna do it or not? So on the

1254
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 4: way down, I'm like, yeah, you should do it. Do this,

1255
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 4: do the flip, do the flip. Nah, if you mess up,

1256
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 4: you gonna be.

1257
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: A sport center for the wrong thing. Don't do it.

1258
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh yeah, dude, you've been practicing all summer.

1259
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 2: Do this backlip, do the back flip. So I get

1260
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 2: probably like inside the ten, like maybe around an eight

1261
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 2: yard line, and I talked myself out of it. I

1262
01:02:58,120 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 2: chick it out now.

1263
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 3: So were you were you going to stop at the

1264
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 3: one and backflip in or was it going to be

1265
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 3: more of a fluid, tall one motion my jump type

1266
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 3: of thing.

1267
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:08,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was gonna slow down, you know.

1268
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 4: I was gonna slow down and then try to like

1269
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 4: just turn my body then let the momentum take me

1270
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 4: into the end zone and do the backups. That's what

1271
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 4: I was gonna do, but I chickened out talk myself

1272
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 4: out of it. So now like damn, I gotta do

1273
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 4: something like this is you know, this is a moment.

1274
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 4: And so I crossed the goal line and you know

1275
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 4: I just spontaneously did that move and uh it wasn't alone.

1276
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 4: But you know, pictures last a long time, man, and

1277
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 4: the rest is as they say, the rest is history.

1278
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: Ty I gotta tell you my takeaway. Here is the

1279
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: ten part podcast we're gonna do on Desmond Howard dating

1280
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: a gymnast. Space slid up like I've never seen. I

1281
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: guess space light up. We're gonna go through that. We'll

1282
01:03:56,120 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: interview all the people involved gymnast. That's part two of

1283
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 1: this experience. Desmond Howard, thank you so much all the

1284
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: time you gave us. Everybody already knows where to find

1285
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: it. You can find you on Twitter, you can find you

1286
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:17,480
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Give people something that they can do with

1287
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: healthy eating this offseason so that when they do eat

1288
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: poorly during the season, give them one one tip, one nugget,

1289
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: something that you're like, you know what I'm not saying.

1290
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: You're a licensed dietation or anything. But give us something

1291
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: that you're like, you know what you guys should be

1292
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: hitting this hard. I don't know what do you have.

1293
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 4: I would say, try to eliminate process foods.

1294
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 2: I will start.

1295
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 4: You could, yeah, really start to eliminate process foods. I

1296
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 4: think you'll be round the path of of having a

1297
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 4: better diet and the path of greater wellness.

1298
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:57,840
Speaker 1: Desmon Howard is on the list to receive a pizza

1299
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 1: anytime he's in Chicago, anytime he's in the area. Not

1300
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: nothing processed about it. I'm dying good cheese. I'm dying

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Speaker 1: good crushed tomatoes, Yeah, strats, organic flowers, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: cutting corners.

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, that's a deal. I'm gonna take

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Speaker 2: you up on it off.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait too all right, Desmond Howard, I don't

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Speaker 1: just say this because I'm married into a Wolverine family.

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Speaker 1: You're terrific, and thank you very much for your time,

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Speaker 1: and we hope to have you again on the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank your wife for pointing you in our direction.

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Speaker 4: I will do that, and ty Dan, thank you guys

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Speaker 4: for having me. Keep up the great work and hit

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Speaker 4: me up. I'd love to do the show again.

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Speaker 1: Done, Thank you sir.

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Speaker 3: All Right, Dan, there you go. Desmond Howard, college football legend,

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Speaker 3: co host of Game Day. Not a whole lot with

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Speaker 3: respect to the great sport of football that he hasn't

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Speaker 3: been part of or accomplished, So thrilled to have him

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Speaker 3: on here for the first time on the show.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I respect about Desmond Howard or

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Speaker 1: one of the main things I respect about him is

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Speaker 1: everybody takes their own different strategy with regard to trying

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Speaker 1: to present themselves as unbiased. Right that, Like you will

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Speaker 1: talk about how you're a Notre Dame fan, but like,

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Speaker 1: because you are such a big Notre Dame fan, you're

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Speaker 1: the hardest on Notre Dame. That this guy is not

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Speaker 1: pulling his weight, or this offense is disappointing, and stuff

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Speaker 1: like you try to go out of your weight to

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Speaker 1: be as balanced and reasonable and rational as possible. Sure,

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Speaker 1: Kirk hurb Street with what he gets with Ohio State

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Speaker 1: is like, oh, you're just an Ohio State honk, You're

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Speaker 1: just an Ohio State homer. Like you don't like anybody

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Speaker 1: other than the buck or whatever. He gets all that criticism.

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Speaker 1: Desmond Howard just goes on the show and goes online

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Speaker 1: and just like, go blow, that's right. I went to Michigan.

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Speaker 1: I love Michigan, and I respect like that there's something

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Speaker 1: that's extremely forthright and honest about that. I try to

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Speaker 1: be that with Oregon as well. Like I'm I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to tell you I'm not an Oregon fan. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to tell you I don't love the Ducks.

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Speaker 1: But some guys do go out of their way because

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Speaker 1: it's important to them to project that sort of professionalism,

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Speaker 1: which I think is admirable in its own way. But

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Speaker 1: I just once again that Desmond Howard's social feeds and

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Speaker 1: you know that what he's what he's like when you know,

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Speaker 1: game days in an arbor, there's a big game in

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Speaker 1: an arbor. He's just like, it's great to be a

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Speaker 1: Michigan Wolverine. And I mean he's honest. I love that, yes,

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Speaker 1: and he is authentic. I like that he goes out

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Speaker 1: of his way to do that.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate his time.

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Speaker 3: Gave us about an hour here talking through oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: all things college football and cycling and gosh, you name it.

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Speaker 3: So make sure you're going out there and followed Desmond

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Speaker 3: if you don't already as Dan, you said earlier, he's

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Speaker 3: in a bunch of plays social media and otherwise.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back on the Verballer.

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Speaker 3: Only feed, which you can find at Forballers dot com

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Speaker 3: on Friday, doing our brewin a There is also an

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Speaker 3: off topic show that is out there as well, if

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Speaker 3: you want to learn more about outer space. Dan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's out there.

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Speaker 3: Yep, it's out there, man, go and listen Forballers dot Com.

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Speaker 3: It's been a very busy week for us, but we're

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Speaker 3: thrilled to be doing this through the long, cold doldrums

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Speaker 3: of the off season of the college football winter. I

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Speaker 3: don't know how many other adjectives I could throw in there,

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Speaker 3: but here we are. It is early March now, as

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Speaker 3: folks are listening to this. As Desmond Howard said, college

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Speaker 3: football's spring season is just around the corner, just sort

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Speaker 3: of starting up thawing out in parts of the country.

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Speaker 3: Before you know it, we'll be talking about actual on

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Speaker 3: field stuff. But for the time being, we get to

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Speaker 3: do fun interviews like this with the cool guests like

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Speaker 3: Desmond Howard. I agree for that guy over there, my

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Speaker 3: good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie Hildebrand, thank you

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Speaker 3: so much for downloading, for listening, for supporting the show.

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Speaker 1: Hope you all have a great weekend.

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, stay solid, peace,