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Speaker 1: and we're just going to do a real quick intro

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Speaker 1: and we're here to talk all about a brand new

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Speaker 1: it's so great to be here. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: And it just so happened that Mama had actually emailed

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Speaker 1: like can you speak to that. Do you feel like, uh,

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Speaker 1: your reporting has made an impact on the sheriff's election.

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Speaker 1: I think because we think the answer is yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to think. Maybe you don't want to

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Speaker 1: say that, as we feel people people are waking up

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Speaker 1: to it because either either you know and you don't

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Speaker 1: want to admit it, or you're you didn't even know

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Speaker 1: that they existed, and now you're your second guessing and

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Speaker 1: we've had like a racial recogning you no countrywide. And

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Speaker 1: then there's also this reporting that has happened. So you

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Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that. I think I think I

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Speaker 1: have been talking about this issue for years and years,

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Speaker 1: oftentimes longer than I've been alive. I very much see

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Speaker 1: the reporting that I'm doing as facilitating um you know,

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Speaker 1: come with that. UM yeah, so yeah, I do think

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Speaker 1: my reporting made a difference, but it was done, you know,

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Speaker 1: in line with a lot of great work that has

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Speaker 1: been going on for a long time. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much a series for sharing your story, your your journalism,

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Speaker 1: and your work with our listeners and for those who

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Speaker 1: you never know, like who the news is not reaching? Um?

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Speaker 1: Where can folks follow you? Where can folks tune in

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Speaker 1: read the work and learn more about l A Deputy

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Speaker 1: Sheriff's Gangs and the tradition of violence. Yeah, you can

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Speaker 1: head to l A s D Gangs dot com and

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Speaker 1: on that website you can check out my original fifteen

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Speaker 1: Shaff's deputies in your neighborhood and the violence that they've

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Speaker 1: at Series Castle. I'm on Instagram. Um at your majesty.

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Speaker 1: See yeah those are my handles. Fabulous. Once again, Series Castle,

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