1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Do you know another parent or expecting parent. Are you 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: wondering what can I give them as a gift. Don't 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: give them another onesie. Don't give them a plastic toy 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,239 Speaker 1: or god forbid, a toy gun that's just going to 5 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: end up in the garage. Give them something that matters, 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: and what matters the most is protecting their child. What 7 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: do you love most in the world your children? What 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: will you do to protect them anything. 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Find out 17 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: how to protect your child when you're out of the 18 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: mall or the store, or the grocery, in the parking 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: lot at home. Find out about protection regarding babysitters, in daycare, 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: even online. I'd rather have that any day of the 21 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: week than a plastic toy or god forbid, a toy gun. 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: Join Justice Nation. Go to crime stops here dot com 23 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I know what you want. 24 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: Oh sure they may have tried to separate us, but 25 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: what we have is too strong, it's too powerful. I mean, 26 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: after all, we shared everything you and I. I told 27 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: you my deepest, darkest secrets. I showed you exactly what 28 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: people are capable of. I shocked you with my honesty. 29 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: But mostly I challenged you and made you think, and 30 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: you trusted me even though you knew you shouldn't. So 31 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: we're not done, no matter what anyone says. And besides, 32 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: I know what you want. You want me back. Actually, 33 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: what I want is you to stop shoving your hand 34 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: down people's pants. That's actually really what I want, And 35 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: I really want to find out the truth behind the 36 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: stories of now nearly thirty people that claim superstar Kevin 37 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: Spacey sexually assaulted them. Listen if you don't believe this 38 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: one guy, which I actually do, the teen boy at 39 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: the car club in Nantucket that was the bartender. Listen 40 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: the old Vic Theater in London, where he was working. 41 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: Spacey was working for a couple of years, had to 42 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: open a hotline for all the people complaining about Kevin's 43 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: Spacey mistreating them. Okay, you know there is strength in numbers. 44 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're all telling the truth, but there 45 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: is strength in numbers. At some point you gotta say, 46 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: are they all lying or is it just Kevin Spacey lying. Well, 47 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: you just heard actor Kevin Spacey's YouTube video quote let 48 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 1: me be Frank, and it seems that space is reprising 49 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: his role of Frank Underwood in the Netflix series House 50 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 1: of Cards. I don't know, but there ain't no coinkie dink. 51 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: There is no coincidence. In criminal law, he dropped this 52 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: video right as felony charges of sex misconduct were announced. 53 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: I'manancy Grace. This is Crime Stories, and in Nancy Land, 54 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: there is no rich or poor. Everybody gets grilled. Well done, 55 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories. 56 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: What an all star panel. Dave Max, syndicated talk show 57 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: host Karen Start, renowned York psychologists, joining us from Manhattan. 58 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: Judge lawyer Ashley Wilcot found at Ashley Wilcot dot com. 59 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: And Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert author of Blood Beneath 60 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon. Now that's certainly something I want 61 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: to cuddle up to at night, blood beneath my feet 62 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: and Professor Forensics at Jacksonville State University, Dave Mac. Dave 63 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: Macnow keep your opinions out of this. Just don't be 64 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: jealous at Kevin Spacey as it found you at a 65 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 1: bar and stuck his hand down your pants. Don't be jealous. 66 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: All right, Let's try to keep a clear head about this. 67 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: Let's start with the case at hand. Okay, forget all 68 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: the so called similar transactions. That hurts me as much 69 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: as it hurts you, Ashley Wilcot. We both have sons 70 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: and the last thing we want is one of them 71 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: to be on the job and get sex molested. Okay, 72 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: Let's just start not with all of the other guys 73 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: that claimed this happened to them, okay, because we don't 74 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: really know all those facts. Although last night I did 75 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: make a huge flowchart for today, Let's start with the 76 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: case at hand. We don't even, all right, you know, 77 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: know the victim's full name, but we do know who 78 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: his mother is. His mother is an on air TV personality. 79 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 1: She's a newscaster in her neck of the woods. Her 80 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: name is Heather Unrue. She's the one that's been doing 81 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: the talking for her teen boy because he has been uh, 82 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: let's just say us all sex attack victims are has 83 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: remained anonymous, although I'm sure everybody knows who he is. 84 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: Start at the beginning, Dave Mac, tell me what happened, 85 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: according to an alleged victim. All right, Heather Unru's son 86 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: was eighteen years old and he was actually a bus 87 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: boy in this restaurant bar in Boston. Eighteen boy, Yes, man, 88 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: eighteen year old? You can you can work at a bar, 89 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: Ashley Willcot, you're the juvenile judge. How can a teen 90 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: an eighteen year old work at a bar? I didn't 91 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: think they could drink till they were twenty one? Is 92 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: that wrong? Well, no, they could work as bus boys 93 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: though they can work there, even though they can't drink 94 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: until twenty one. They could absolutely work there. And in fact, 95 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: a number of eighteen year olds and young kids I 96 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: call them, even though they're not under the age of eighteen, 97 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: worked there as bus boys. As a matter of fact. 98 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: You know what's interesting. Although I said I wasn't in 99 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: talk about it, I just want to point out that 100 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: I've try investigated. Dave Mac, first of all, ask you 101 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: thank you for that, because I didn't know that. My 102 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: forte is felonies, not misdemeanor, under age working at a bar, crimes, 103 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: But they're they're important. I'm not belittling those crimes. I'm 104 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: just not as familiar with them as I am with, 105 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: you know, murder, rape, child molestation in Arson. But question. 106 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: I was reading and studying all the other claims, and 107 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: many of them were eighteen to twenty years old that 108 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: worked in bars and restaurants. I'm just pointing out that 109 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: that is a very strong similarity in these cases. Okay, 110 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: Dave mac back to Unrus and Son, go ahead, Okay, 111 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: And there's a whole lot of other similarities too, but 112 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: just staying with this one. Heather andru Son eighteen years 113 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: old at the time this happened. He was working and 114 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: met Kevin Spacey, was a bit star struck. After he 115 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: got off work. Kevin Spacey, because he was a celebrity, 116 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: was buying this eighteen year old alcoholic drinks at the bar. 117 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: Over a seventy minute long period, he consumed a number 118 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: of alcoholic beverages and that's when the assault allegedly occurred. 119 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey stuck his hands down the pants of this 120 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: eighteen year old boy after he applied him with enough 121 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 1: alcohol to render him not able to put much of 122 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: a fight. H Dave Mac. I want to go to 123 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Joseph Scott Morgan, as he has corrected 124 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: me on multiple occasions. Joseph Scott Morgan, you hear what 125 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: Mac just said that he applied him with drinks. You 126 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: have a change son about this age. And you know 127 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: I've said, well who can make you drink? Well, think 128 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: about it. If your son and I don't know who 129 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: his you know, idol might be other than you and 130 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: his mom. Of course, you know, maybe if my son 131 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: saw you know, he just watched aunt Man, all right, 132 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: maybe if he saw aunt Man, that actor or or 133 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: somebody he knows from TV. We watched Murdoch Mysteries. Maybe 134 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: if he saw William Murdoch, he would sit there and 135 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: you know, just go along. I can just see this kid, 136 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: well eighteen and Spacey Bienham one drink after the next, 137 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: and he just says they're playing the piano and they're 138 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: all sitting around having a good time, and he's texting 139 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: his girlfriend saying, hey, look I'm a Kevin Spacey. Can 140 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: you just see that unfolding Joe Scott Morgan. Yeah, I 141 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: can you know, particularly at eighteen, your starstruck this guy, 142 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, Spacey has been well, he's eighteen years old. 143 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: Spacey's been in his life this entire time in the media, 144 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: and he's you know, he's a famous actor, I mean 145 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: and a damn good actor too. You know, you look back, 146 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: but it's hard to see separate, you know, reality from 147 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: that fantasy world. You know, I don't really know. Did 148 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: you just say d A M N potty mouth? Oh me? No? Okay, 149 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: I know, now, okay, So what about that what he's saying? 150 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: Karen Stark, New York Psychologists joining us. You can find 151 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: her at Karen Stark dot com. Karen, I mean grown adults. 152 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: And remember Jackie's waving her arms. That means she's right 153 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: the kid, I'm saying, the kid he's eighteen. You know, 154 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: my dad was half way across the world on a 155 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: navy ship at that age. But but he's eighteen. He 156 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: did lie about his age because he thought he'd get 157 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: in trouble for his drinking. All right, so can you 158 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: see him going along with Kevin Spacey? I mean really 159 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: at that point, what what harm was there? You know, 160 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: they were singing, they were drinking. Spacey was buying him drinks. 161 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: Can you see that? I see it. But it's wrong, Nancy, 162 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,439 Speaker 1: It's just so wrong, and that he has decades of 163 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: the history of doing this thing, the same kind of 164 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: thing happening with kids who are star struck, and they 165 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: are kids because they are not developed, They're not developed 166 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: to the point where they can deal with that. They 167 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: really can't make those kind of judgments. They can't make 168 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: those kind of calls. And as you can tell through 169 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: these stories, people were not approaching him just because he 170 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: was a star. He was allowed to get away with 171 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: it for so long. And that's what Richard Dreyfus, his son, 172 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: says that it happened to him as he was rehearsing 173 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: lines with Spacey in Spacey's apartment with his dad, Richard 174 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: Dreyfus there, and the dad didn't know about it, and 175 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: the son says he was too embarrassed to ever say 176 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: anything and thought nobody would believe him. That's one of 177 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: the similars. But what I'm talking about is can you 178 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: just see a kid going along with it? A team 179 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: he's with Kevin Spacey and he lied about his age 180 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: because he knew me wasn't supposed to be drinking. I 181 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to what the mom 182 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: Heather Unrace is. Spacey stuck his hand inside my son's 183 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: pants and grabbed his genitals, and my son's efforts to 184 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: shift his body to remove Spacey's hand were only momentarily successful. 185 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: The violation continued. My son panicked, he froze, he was intoxicated, 186 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: and Kevin Spacey was insisting that he come with him 187 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: to a private after hours party to drink even more Fortunately, 188 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey left briefly to use the bathroom, and when 189 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: he was out of sight, a concerned woman quickly came 190 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: to my very shaken son's side and asked if he 191 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: was okay. Obviously she had seen something and she knew 192 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: that he was not. She told him to run, and 193 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: he did. Of course, some believed everything and had just 194 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: been waiting with bated breath to hearm he confess at all. 195 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: They're just dying to have me declare that everything said 196 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: is true and that I got what I deserved. Wouldn't 197 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: that be easy if it was all so simple? Only 198 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: you and I both know it's never that simple. Not 199 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: in politics and not in life. But you wouldn't believe 200 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: the worst without evidence, would you? You wouldn't rush to 201 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: judgments without facts, would you? Did you? No? Not you? 202 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: You're smarter than matter anyway, all this presumption made for 203 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: such an unsatisfying ending, And to think it could have 204 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: been such a memorable send off. I mean, if you 205 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: and I have learned nothing else these past years, it's 206 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: that in life and art, nothing should be off the table. 207 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: We weren't afraid, not of what we said, not of 208 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: what we did, and we're still not afraid because I 209 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: can promise you this. If I didn't pay the price 210 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: for the things we both know I did do, I'm 211 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: certainly not going to pay the price for the things 212 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: I didn't do. Wow, Okay, if you really listen to 213 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: those words, they pack a punch. Arrogant you are hearing 214 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: actor superstar actor Kevin Spacey's self created YouTube video quote, 215 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: let me be Frank. He's apparently in character as the 216 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: role he played in the Netflix series House of Cards, 217 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: a Frank Underwood with his fake Southern accent, which early 218 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: irritates all of us who really truly do have a 219 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: horrible Southern accent. But that aside the words I mean, 220 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:51,719 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, judge lawyer, Ashley. You know, sometimes I feel like, oh, 221 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: I've seen it all, you know, after all the cases 222 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: I've tried and what I've seen done to people, victims, 223 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: infant children, women, But this one is it's a conundrum. 224 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: It's I like to say to the children, it's a 225 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: mystery wrapped in a conundrum, shrouded an intrigue. And because 226 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: what was he thinking this video that he dropped? And 227 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: I watched it almost all the way through, and I'll 228 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: just couldn't take it anymore than I forced myself to 229 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: watch the whole thing. It's so smug. It's like, hey, 230 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: look at me instead of at that. Look over here, 231 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: not over there, look at my video, not at the 232 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: charges just filed against me. And the words are really 233 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: mocking what's happening in court to what could be a 234 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: real victim. Yeah. So Number one, Nancy, I can imagine 235 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: that his attorneys probably would have advised him against dropping 236 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: this video. Number two, why why, why? Here's the irony 237 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: to me? He actually his attorney's filed the motion that 238 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: he not have to appear in person at arrayment, that 239 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: they appear on his behalf So here's someone who's saying, oh, 240 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to create a big public spectacle by 241 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 1: coming to court. But on the other hand, I'm gonna 242 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: drop a video that I know millions of people are 243 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: gonna view. That's bizarre. I mean, he's in a character 244 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: from a show. He was in that piece. I thought 245 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: he is shooting himself in the foot even further. Okay, 246 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: don't judge me, Dave Matt. But I didn't never see 247 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: House of Cards? Jackie, did you see it? Okay? She 248 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: says no, and I do. We watch almost exclusively on demand, 249 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: except we usually watch Amazon. But we have been watching 250 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: some Stranger Things all right, which I think is on Netflix. 251 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: I didn't see House of Cards, and I don't know 252 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: who that character is, Spacey's character. I mean, really, it's 253 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: all I can do to get up every morning at 254 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: five or thirty and get the twins to school and 255 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: work and blah blah blah blah, and then all of 256 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: a sudden, it's you know, it's the end of the day. 257 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, what happened? So tell me what is House 258 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: of Cards? And what is the role that he plays? 259 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: Dave Matt. The House of Cards is a political thriller 260 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: where Kevin Spacey's character, Frank Underwood, is the President of 261 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: the United States and he's evil. He killed, he killed, 262 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 1: and just terrorized people to get to that position. And 263 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: then after the story broke, this very successful House of 264 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: Cards Netflix series actually was put on hiatus and then 265 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: they went ahead and filmed a sixth season without Kevin Spacey. 266 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: They killed off his character and then wrapped the whole series. 267 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: Huh okay, So they ended the whole series after this 268 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: whole thing broke. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, And 269 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: there are actually some people involved in the cast that 270 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: have made accusations similar to the story that we've heard 271 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: about the other thirty accusations against Kevin flow chart, because 272 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: there are tons of people. I hear you lapping in 273 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: the background. Alan Duke is with me, you know, I'm 274 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: looking back, and there are so many claims. Let's see, 275 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:11,360 Speaker 1: eight House of Cars employees have made complaints. Twenty they 276 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: are specifically accusing him of misconduct. Over twenty people came 277 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: forward at the old VIC Theater. As of today, Alan, 278 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: you watch House of Cars, tell me tell me about 279 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: his character and how in the world did he think 280 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: dropping this video is going to help him. Well, first 281 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: of all, the character of Frank Underwood got away with everything. 282 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: That is until in real life Kevin Spacey stopped getting 283 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: away with everything and they killed him off and he 284 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: was tossed out of the White House and his wife 285 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: took over as president. But anyway, I think he made 286 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: this video because Frank Underwood was so smart he could 287 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: get away with murder literally, and so maybe maybe that's 288 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: his defense that he's Frank Underwood. And guys, if you 289 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: don't know this already, Kevin Spacey was pulled over for 290 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: speeding on his way home for according to TMZ, he 291 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: couldn't make it home from his alleged sex assault case 292 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: fast enough. He has been busted speeding. That's apparently the 293 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: very latest that we're hearing. I don't know all the 294 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: details on that, and we're trying to get to the 295 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: bottom of that. But so that's a character he played 296 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 1: in Frank Underwood. Dave Mack, I know we've wandered for 297 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: a field, but can we go back to the claim itself? 298 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: So the mom says a woman came up to her 299 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: son and said, of you, okay, And another witness apparently 300 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: describes him as white as a sheet and shaken looking 301 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: like what. I don't know if that's the booze or 302 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: if that's what happened to him, but I want everybody 303 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: to just pause for a moment and imagine if this 304 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: happened to your teen girl. Take that in for a moment. 305 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: You know, there's another case, Dave mac where at least one, 306 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: maybe two or three where the alleged victim ran that 307 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: it ran and he in the bathroom at a bar, 308 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: left ran to get away, that the attacks were so forceful. 309 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: So what happened after the woman comes up to him 310 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: and says, are you okay? Well, he actually did flee. 311 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: You know, he was shaken. Spacey goes to the bathroom 312 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: and Heather unrue Son left the building. One of the 313 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: things you mentioned early on was that he was texting 314 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: his girlfriend all along the way. And yesterday in court, 315 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey's attorney asked for the judge to make the 316 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: prosecution keep up with all of the transmissions that evening 317 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: and for the next six months, because they claimed that 318 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: at no point in time did Heather unrue Son ever 319 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: indicate to anyone what was going on. But I want 320 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: to point out something. The groping happened after about an 321 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: hour of the two sitting and talking together. He had 322 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey had really, in an hour long period of time, 323 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: gotten this kid drunk and was really warming up to him. 324 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: That's when he put the move on him. When it 325 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,399 Speaker 1: rocked this kid's world. And thankfully Kevin Spacey had to 326 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: go to the bathroom because if not, we don't know 327 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: what could have happened. Hi, Nancy Grace here, have you 328 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: ever Googled yourself, your neighbors, somebody at work, a crush? 329 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: Fifty seven percent of Americans and meant keeping an eye 330 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: on their own online reputation. 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Despite all the puppycock, the animosity, 348 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: the headlines, the impeachment without a trial, despite everything, despite 349 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,679 Speaker 1: even my own death, I feel surprisingly good and my 350 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: confidence grows each day that soon enough you will know 351 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: the full truth. We'll wait a minute now that I 352 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: think of it. You never actually saw me die, did you? 353 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: Conclusions can be so deceiving. You miss me? Okay? I 354 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: was holding out a reasonable doubt until I heard that. 355 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: I know I don't miss you. Yes, I liked you 356 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: a lot in American Beauty. After that, you know, I 357 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 1: just I can't speak to that, but I know about this. 358 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: That was a very ill timed video that Kevin Spacey made, 359 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: apparently in the six million dollar mansion in Baltimore or 360 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: owned by his close friend where he's been holed up 361 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: for some time. We are learning in the last hours 362 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: that Kevin Spacey has had another run in with law enforcement, 363 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: just hours after he appears in court on sex assault charges. 364 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: The actor was pulled over for speeding near the Ronald 365 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: Reagan Washington National Airport, says a person with Metropolitan Washington 366 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: Airport's authority. Spacey was in the driver's seat, was not 367 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: given a ticket, and we know he's been staying in Baltimore. 368 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: He was joined by his lawyer, Alan Jackson, who was 369 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: in the passenger seat. He was given a verbal warning 370 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: not to speed. Now. TMZ was the first to report 371 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: this and actually got footage of space in a black 372 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: suburban Ford getting pulled over by two officers. I don't 373 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: know how TMZ is always everywhere everywhere, but I know 374 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: one thing. I never traveled to Lax without three pair 375 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: of dollar try sunglasses stuck in my shirt. Okay, because 376 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: they are everywhere. That Harvey, I mean, he is like 377 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: audit now, I want to get back to what's happening. 378 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,360 Speaker 1: We were playing you a clip from his self created 379 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: video where he plays Frank Underwood, a character that was 380 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: killed off in Netflix House of Cars. After these allegations surface, 381 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: but I want you to hear the response to this. 382 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: This was done before he dropped the video. This is 383 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: the alleged victim's mother, TV personality Heather Unribe. In July 384 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, actor Kevin Spacey has sexually assaulted my son. 385 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: It happened late night inside the club Car, restaurant and 386 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: bar on Nantucket Island. The victim, my son, was a 387 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: star struck, straight eighteen year old young man who had 388 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: no idea that the famous actor was an alleged sexual 389 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: predator or that he was about to become his next victim. 390 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: My son was not of legal age to drink alcohol. 391 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: He told Kevin Spacey that he was of legal age, 392 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: but whether he was over twenty one or not, Kevin 393 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,959 Speaker 1: Spacey had no right to sexually assault him. There was 394 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: no consent, and when my son was drunk, Spacey made 395 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,959 Speaker 1: his mood and sexually assaulted him. You're hearing Heather Unrude, 396 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: the alleged victim's mom. Let's talk about what happened in 397 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: court yesterday. It was being carried live on so many outlets. 398 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: Ashley Wolcott, juvenile judge and lawyer. From your perspective, I 399 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: thought the judge did a good job. He really kept 400 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: it short and sweet. No playing to the cameras as 401 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: we see so many judges do when they're on camera. 402 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 1: You know, nothing like that, no joking, blah blah blah. 403 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it was just cut and dried. There was 404 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: no real preferential treatment. Although Spacey got to come in, 405 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 1: he didn't really have to wait because you know, Ashley, 406 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: when I would handle pleading arrayment calendars, there'd be one 407 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people on the calendar and you sat 408 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: there and you waited till your case was called. And 409 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: believe me, I was going as fast as I could. Okay, 410 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: but he got to come in. He did get a 411 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: little curb service, but that really didn't bother me because 412 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: he had actually tried to wave appearing. But under Massachusetts law, 413 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: you must appear in person the first time after you've 414 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: been charged. That's something you can't wait. The judge did 415 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: wave his next hearing, which is on March four at 416 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 1: eleven am. But how did you think explain what happened 417 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: in court, Ashley Wilcot. Okay, So, first of all, I 418 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: agree he was treated like most defendants are treated, which 419 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: is appropriate aredless of fame and fortune. They need to 420 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: be treated the same across the board. And so number one, 421 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 1: the fact that the judge said, no, you do have 422 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 1: to appear. You cannot waive your presence at arraignment. It's 423 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: just like other criminal defendants. So that's good. I agree 424 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: with you. He showed up. Of course there was a circus. 425 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: Of course, there were people watching him get out of 426 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 1: his car. Of course there needed to be precautions to 427 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: ensure that, you know, it didn't become like he did 428 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: get curb service. Well, that's good because they wanted to 429 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: reduce the circus as much as they could. The judge 430 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: was very forthcoming, very direct arraignment, as you well know 431 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: and for all our listeners, is are you entering a 432 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: plea of guilty or not guilty? The charges against you 433 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: are read, and that's all that ever happened. So it 434 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: was short and sweet by the book, and that's what 435 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: happened in Kevin Spacey's case. What do you think legally, 436 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: asking wellcott will happen next? So legally, now that he's 437 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: denied the charge, he is going to have to proceed 438 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: along the legal system, which is okay, we've had arraignment. 439 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: There's going to be indictment, there's going to be another hearing, 440 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: there's going to be a trial set and a trial 441 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: court date, and he then has the options that all 442 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: defendants have. You can either negotiate an inter a plea, 443 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: or in the alternative, you go to trial and he 444 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: would have to be prepared to defend his case and 445 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: in a nutshell. To Joseph Scott Morgan forensics expert author 446 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: of Blood Beneath My Feet Joe Scott, much has been 447 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 1: made of an alleged cell phone video that the boy 448 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: the team took during the incident. A lot of people 449 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: are going, Wow, it must not have been that bad 450 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: if he could take a video of it. But I mean, 451 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: he's with Kevin Spacey and he's taking this video a 452 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: little it's no more than a few seconds. People are 453 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: arguing it shows nothing. Some people say it shows everything. 454 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: We haven't seen it yet, But what do you make 455 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: of that evidence? In the judge's order that all cell 456 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: phone and electronic data be preserved for quite a period 457 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: of time, from the time around of the incident, around 458 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: the seventh of July on several weeks, what do you 459 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: make of that? Yeah, I think that it's significant and 460 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: they want to be able to analyze it from a 461 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,479 Speaker 1: criminal investigative standpoint, and also they don't want this thing 462 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: getting washed out. I think if I remember, this was 463 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: a Snapchat video that he had sent to his girlfriend 464 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,239 Speaker 1: at that particular time. I like, no one else has 465 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 1: actually seen this thing yet, but I can only imagine 466 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: seeing some of these snapchat videos that my college students have, 467 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: you know, put out, and they'll show me periodically. The 468 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: the you know, the composition of these things as questionable. 469 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: Many times you can't make a lot out of it, 470 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: but we'll see. Listen to this, okay, mister follow this 471 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: complaints charges that's in the town of Nantucket on July eighth, 472 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. Did commit indecent as soft and battery on 473 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: person fourteen or rover Sir, if you're if you charge 474 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: to another offense, well, this matter is open. You could 475 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: be held for a ninety days without bill. Mister Day 476 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: request beyond the bill, wanting any beyond the bill and 477 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: warning your honor the cam Walter's requesting that mister Stacey 478 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: or did you stay away and have no contact with 479 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: the name victim and his family? All right, certainly the 480 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: court will impose those conditions. Anything additional, no judgement okay, 481 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:16,479 Speaker 1: all right? Um so um no, no, no requests in 482 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: terms of um movement or staying within the United States. 483 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: Anything's required by the court judge and as a report 484 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: required by the Probation Department. Our all your requests simply 485 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: specifically is the stay away okay? All right? Well those 486 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: of you the conditions then, um sir, you'll meet with probation, 487 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: You'll sign those conditions. Uh, You'll You're required to stay 488 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 1: away and have no contact direct or indirect with the 489 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: alleged victim. I know what you want. Oh sure, they 490 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: may have tried to separate us, but what we have 491 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: is too strong, It's too powerful. I mean, after all, 492 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: we shared everything, you and I. I told you my deepest, 493 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: darkest secrets. I showed you exactly what people are capable of. 494 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: I shocked you with my honesty. But mostly I challenged 495 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: you and made you think, and you trusted me even 496 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: though you knew you shouldn't. So we're not done, no 497 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: matter what anyone says. And besides, I know what you want. 498 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 1: You want me back. Well, actually I can't say to enough. 499 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: That's really not what I want. I want to know 500 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: what happened that night in the club Car Bar in Nantucket, 501 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: Massachusetts in July with an teen boy you just heard 502 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 1: after Kevin Spacey's YouTube video Self Creative called let Me 503 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: Be Frank, which indicates he's playing the part of Frank Underwood, 504 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: his character or in a Netflix series House of Cards 505 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: where he is an evil politician. To Alan Duke joining 506 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: me from La Alan, you are a House of Cards? 507 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: If he Sionado explained to me again, what's so compelling? 508 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: Why did everybody love Underwood? Well, he was the villain 509 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: that you were rooting for because he was so interesting. 510 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: I mean, he was killing people, he was corrupting the government. 511 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: He was just the worst politician you could ever think of. 512 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: But for some reason, I found myself hoping that he 513 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: would not be caught so that the story could continue. 514 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: And I do hope the story continues. I know Dave 515 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: said he thinks the series is over, but I'm pleading 516 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: Netflix bring it back, not with him though, not with 517 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: frankin thank you for using this platform. Too big for 518 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: a Netflix series, I have to binge on it. Okay, 519 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: all right, you know what I remember when I gave 520 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: a speech to a group import Huron and I was. 521 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: It was right on the Canadian border, and I was 522 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: begging somebody I didn't know who would hear me, for 523 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 1: them to hurry up and release the next Murdoch mysteries 524 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: because you have to wait in the US to get it. 525 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: Because it's Canadian. You can only get it if you're 526 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 1: a brit or a Canadian. So I feel your pain, Alan, 527 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: But right now I'm trying to get to the bottom 528 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: of this case. David Max, syndicated talk show hosts joining me. Dave, 529 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: now tell me about the other complaints. You've got about 530 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: eight to ten on the set of House of Cards, 531 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: and you've got about twenty at least in London, throughout England, 532 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: actually not just London. In my flow chart, let me 533 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: get that thing back out again. I tried to mark 534 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: where they were all coming from, you know, because that's 535 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: kind of matter regarding similarities. I can't even read some 536 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,479 Speaker 1: of my writing, but it was out and about. They 537 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: were in London. I think I'm writing Liverpool in some 538 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: places in his New York apartment at the old VIC Theater, 539 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: out and about. Are you familiar with the case with 540 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: Richard Dreyfus's son, I am, and in reality the cases 541 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: for Kevin Spacey all started with Anthony rep the act. 542 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: He was fourteen years old of the time. I think 543 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: it was in nineteen eighty six, and he was on 544 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: Broadway in a play and he was enamored with Kevin Spacey, 545 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: as so many others were. And Anthony Rapp at fourteen, 546 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: ended up back at Kevin Spacey's apartment in New York City. Now, 547 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:19,760 Speaker 1: he came forward at the height of the Harvey Weinstein accusations, 548 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: and that was what he said. That's why he came out, 549 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: and he gave a very big statement. That's when Kevin 550 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: Spacey actually sent it. What did Anthony Rapp, then fourteen 551 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: years old working I guess on a movie with him, 552 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: what happened? He claims that he went to an apartment 553 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: with Kevin Space's apartment where they drank. Kevin Spacey made 554 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: a move on him, he rebuffed him. He ended up 555 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: sleeping on the couch in Kevin Space's apartment. But when 556 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: he woke up the next morning, Kevin Spacey was on 557 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: the couch with his arms draped around Anthony Rapp. That's 558 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: when he woke up. He said he was shocked and dismayed. 559 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: Anthony Rapp was fourteen years old at the time. It 560 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 1: was hold On, Hold On, Karen Starr. That is what 561 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: I do not want. I do not want to wake 562 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 1: up in an unknown apartment with some guy's arms that 563 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: I've never met before, just barely know, wrapped around me, 564 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: with his head on my stomach. I don't want that. No, 565 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: of course you don't want that, Nancy. But think about 566 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 1: the fact that if you were fourteen, what makes the 567 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: season worse is that here's a predator who's arrogant about it, 568 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: who's actually saying when he released that video, that you're 569 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: going to side with him. Oh, he could get away 570 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: with anything because he's so interesting, and he used his 571 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: celebrity to actually spin this web and track all of 572 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: these young people. And it didn't matter male or female, 573 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: because this even a girl who came forward who said 574 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: that the same thing had happened. All right, Nancy. One 575 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: of the things I want all parents to hear in 576 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: this case with the eighteen year old and Kevin Spacey 577 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: and any other victims out there, is eighteen year old 578 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: brains are not fully developed. They're not going to make 579 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: good sound decisions. But this eighteen year old admitted in 580 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 1: his victim's statement that he drank a lot, often to 581 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: the point of blacking out. It does not excuse her 582 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: to fend Kevin Spacey's behavior at all, or alleged behavior. 583 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: But I am going to say this, parents, pay attention 584 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: to what your children are doing to help educate them 585 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 1: about how to avoid situations where they may be a victim. 586 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: You know, I'm looking, Dave Mack at all of these 587 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 1: names and configurations I wrote down. You've got Anthony Ratt 588 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: that you just mentioned. Robert Cavasso's an actor there at 589 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: the Old vict Daniel Beak, if Mike can read my writing, 590 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: that was in London, and I have that he was 591 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 1: a teen bartender at the West Sussex Hotel that he 592 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: claims Spacey gave him an expensive watch to stay quiet. 593 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: Justin Davis, a sixteen year old in a high school 594 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: that he gave alcohol and allegedly showed gape horn too. 595 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: Mike Evan bought a thirty five year old military advisor 596 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: on this set of Outbreak that his producers solicited him 597 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: for a rendezvous. He said no. Harry Dreyfuss, then eighteen, 598 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,720 Speaker 1: a filmmaker then in his thirties, got groped According to him, 599 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: a twenty year old bartender in London who went to 600 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 1: a party got groped and took his girlfriend and left 601 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: an anonymous twenty year old It looks like I have 602 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: London written another anonymous New York artist that was then 603 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: a child actor fourteen at the time. I mean, it 604 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:41,399 Speaker 1: goes on and on and on, but where will it end? 605 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: Listen to this space He stuck his hand inside my 606 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,240 Speaker 1: son's pants and grabbed his genitals, and my son's efforts 607 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,919 Speaker 1: to shift his body to remove Spacey's hand, we're only 608 00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:01,680 Speaker 1: momentarily successful. The violation continued. My son panicked, he froze, 609 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: he was intoxicated, and Kevin Spacey was insisting that he 610 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: come with him to a private after hours party to drink. 611 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: Even more fortunately, Kevin Spacey left briefly to use the bathroom, 612 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: and when he was out of sight, a concerned woman 613 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: quickly came to my very shaken son's side and asked 614 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: if he was okay. Obviously she had seen something and 615 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: she knew that he was not. She told him to run, 616 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 1: and he did. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace 617 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: crime story, signing off good Bye friend,