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Speaker 2: The college football season has a period. At the end
Speaker 2: of the sentence, it's over. Back to back national titles
Speaker 2: for the Big Ten won. Are what SEC Commissioner Greg
Speaker 2: Sanke is thinking, because it used to be the SEC
Speaker 2: was the powerhouse, but once everybody got an opportunity to
Speaker 2: pay players and transfer portal, all of a sudden nil
Speaker 2: that changed things dramatically. Notre Dame, that was a good year.
Speaker 2: If I would have said back in that weekend when
Speaker 2: they lost in Northern Illinois, they're going to play for
Speaker 2: national championship, you probably would have thought not this year,
Speaker 2: Ohio State beating Michigan. And if I would have said
Speaker 2: after that game, hey, don't worry, they're going to win
Speaker 2: the national title. After they lost to Michigan, they're going
Speaker 2: to win the national title. You have these moments. The
Speaker 2: question is how do you react after those moments? After
Speaker 2: those games. Notre Dame reacted and won and continue to win.
Speaker 2: And Marcus Freeman IS's star in the sport Ryan Day,
Speaker 2: the embattled Ryan Day. You lose to Michigan again, if
Speaker 2: you don't have a twelve team playoff, you may not
Speaker 2: have Ryan Day winning a national championship this year. In fact,
Speaker 2: you probably don't, but this is college football. Now. Who
Speaker 2: knows what it's going to be like next year or
Speaker 2: in five years from now. But give credit to Ohio
Speaker 2: State because they were the better team last night. When
Speaker 2: it was thirty one seven, I kept thinking, all right,
Speaker 2: Ohio State, just maybe another field goal so I can
Speaker 2: go to bed, and then all of a sudden, here
Speaker 2: comes Notre Day, and then here comes Notre Day, and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, I'm going, what's the point spread?
Speaker 2: Eight and a half? Oh my goodness. Now I'm watching,
Speaker 2: and I thought, if they don't get that third and
Speaker 2: nine when they throw it to Jeremiah Smith, Now all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you got some people going, all right,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of money the cover of the year.
Speaker 2: When you think about it, you one to seven and
Speaker 2: you're going, I'm good. I all these Ohio State fans,
Speaker 2: they laid the eight and a half. They're like, this
Speaker 2: is going to be a blowout, halftime high five in
Speaker 2: each other, Yeah, hey, I got your beers. Marcus Freeman
Speaker 2: comes out second half, Notre name head coach. He looked
Speaker 2: like he had just been in the washing machine, and
Speaker 2: was like what just happened? And then they got a
Speaker 2: couple of plays made it interesting, and Ohio State did
Speaker 2: what they needed to do with a crucial you know,
Speaker 2: I mean going forward third and nine. Here was Ryan
Speaker 2: Day with that call on the completion to Jeremiah Smith.
Speaker 3: We felt like we had an advantage with Jeremiah on
Speaker 3: that shot, and you know, we've talked about it all week,
Speaker 3: really hadn't thrown one all game, and it was like,
Speaker 3: you know what game in a line, you know, let's go.
Speaker 3: Let's just be aggressive. And I just thought to myself,
Speaker 3: you know, you only even won national championship, you only
Speaker 3: get one opportunity, you know, a year to do this.
Speaker 3: Let's just lay it on the line and put it
Speaker 3: out there and be aggressive. And that's what we did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, third and long, and they were aggressive. Notre Dame
Speaker 2: would have gotten the ball back, they'd have had about
Speaker 2: two minutes to go. Maybe maybe we could have had
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Speaker 2: for hour one is going to.
Speaker 4: Be okay, Well, we've got one from here from Marvin.
Speaker 4: We've got a bunch from Todd All.
Speaker 2: Has checked in.
Speaker 4: Where would you like to start? Dan?
Speaker 2: I'm going to go Marvin because it's rare when Marvin
Speaker 2: offers up something. Poll question wise.
Speaker 4: If you're an Ohio State fan, you'd rather lose to
Speaker 4: Michigan but win a national title or beat Michigan and
Speaker 4: lose in the college football playoffs.
Speaker 2: I think this is crazy that there are fans, Yes,
Speaker 2: so important to beat Michigan. That has been your identity,
Speaker 2: And yeah, we won a national title, but you need
Speaker 2: to beat Michigan. If you said to Ohio State fans,
Speaker 2: you're gonna lose again to Michigan next year, but you're
Speaker 2: going to play for the national championship. You have to
Speaker 2: play for a national championship.
Speaker 4: You would think you would, you would think.
Speaker 2: But you know, fan bases, the old school fan base,
Speaker 2: how important it was because it used to be if
Speaker 2: you lost that game, you weren't playing for a national championship.
Speaker 2: That was the importance of it. Now with the twelve
Speaker 2: team playoff, fourteen team playoffs, sixteen team playoff, Okay, you
Speaker 2: lose bragging rights there, but man, that national title that'll
Speaker 2: cure everything. That's the great elixir a national title. Yes, Paul,
Speaker 2: I have an idea.
Speaker 5: I would present it to you specifically because you know
Speaker 5: Ohio State and history. Today is the day to start
Speaker 5: de emphasizing the Michigan game going forward. Step you are
Speaker 5: the national title holders. You're on full scholarship now going forward,
Speaker 5: you've got the big payroll. Start using the word Michigan
Speaker 5: when you talk about them. Don't say the team up north.
Speaker 5: Start saying Michigan like you would say Ohio State, like
Speaker 5: you'd say Purdue or Iowa Wisconsin. Treat them all the same.
Speaker 2: But why can't you have both? Why can't this still
Speaker 2: mean so much? But the national title is more important
Speaker 2: than that.
Speaker 5: Because, like we've been saying, it's meaning a little too
Speaker 5: much the past decade. Start de emphasizing it and making
Speaker 5: another game. Beat them. You're gonna beat them or not.
Speaker 5: Either way, but start saying Michigan, Iowa, Purdue step.
Speaker 2: One, Yeah, won't happen.
Speaker 5: Not the team up.
Speaker 2: North, not gonna happen. Just not not. Don't fight it,
Speaker 2: I know, just saying, Hey, I'm not one of those
Speaker 2: that would go, boy, I'd rather beat Michigan and then
Speaker 2: win a national title. That's silly.
Speaker 5: I want to follow up on that. Okay, there's no
Speaker 5: one who really believes that. That's more of a perception
Speaker 5: of the national media about Ohio State fans.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe because I can't.
Speaker 5: Imagine an Ohio State fan today going, you know what,
Speaker 5: if I could have a do over this year, I
Speaker 5: would wax Michigan and take it on the chin and
Speaker 5: Notre Dame.
Speaker 4: Yes, right, But like Michigan fans are somehow taking a
Speaker 4: little bit of a victory lap too, being like, yeah,
Speaker 4: but we beat the national chair, so I guess we
Speaker 4: really are, like, which is absurd. That's I get, how
Speaker 4: tongue in cheek that is too. But these two fan
Speaker 4: bases are that crazy that somehow they find a way
Speaker 4: to take losses and make them wins depending on those circuits.
Speaker 2: Oh, if I'm Michigan, I'm taking a victory lap. Oh heck, yass.
Speaker 2: You know, you had a bad season, couldn't find a
Speaker 2: quarterback first year without Jim Harball, and you beat Ohio
Speaker 2: State at Ohio State. And this was brought up to
Speaker 2: me by a former Ohio State player last night, and
Speaker 2: he said, you know what changed when Michigan tried to
Speaker 2: plant the flag? He said, that changed this football team.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, they in their minds became us
Speaker 2: against the world, and they were underdogs somehow. And I said, okay,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll factor that in that all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Jack Sawyer's grabbing the Michigan flag and throwing it away,
Speaker 2: and now, all of a sudden, there's a different purpose
Speaker 2: with Ohio State. Sure, okay, I mean if you feel
Speaker 2: that that was a seismic shift with his team, they
Speaker 2: became a little bit more I don't know together, but
Speaker 2: there's so much talent there. That's why, you know, when
Speaker 2: we look at Ohio State, it's hard to say that
Speaker 2: they were an underdog. I mean, they're incredible. You know,
Speaker 2: you poached guys from around the country, you spent over
Speaker 2: twenty million. I mean, you should be great. The fact
Speaker 2: that you couldn't come up with an offense against Michigan.
Speaker 2: That was what was mind boggling here. I know you
Speaker 2: lose to Oregon, but that was close game at Oregon.
Speaker 2: This was a great team, yes, Marvin, So last night
Speaker 2: Ohio State was David not in order Dain? Yeah, okay, no,
Speaker 2: just making sure. Yeah, well, David got knocked down, David
Speaker 2: didn't have a slingshot, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: David had a shotgun. And then you're like, here comes David,
Speaker 2: and David's going to put some heat on Ohio State.
Speaker 2: But Ohio State was a better team. Can't imagine that
Speaker 2: somebody's going, eyah, but we better beat Michigan next year.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's pressure on Ryan Day. And
Speaker 2: once again, I grew up in this environment. I grew
Speaker 2: up in Ohio. I understand that feeling when Michigan would
Speaker 2: beat Ohio State and ruin your college football season. But
Speaker 2: I can't imagine somebody like next year, if Ohio State
Speaker 2: doesn't beat Michigan, that Ryan Day is all of a
Speaker 2: sudden going to be on the hot seat again. Are
Speaker 2: we reheating Ryan Day? Yes?
Speaker 4: Yeah, how in the world can that even be a
Speaker 4: conversation today?
Speaker 2: I trust me, we get to next season and if
Speaker 2: that happens, then we will be discussing that. People will
Speaker 2: discuss that about Ryan Deck Rick new Heiseel a little
Speaker 2: bit later on, and I got a couple of questions
Speaker 2: for him, And I have great respect for Rick. One
Speaker 2: of the smartest college football guys. I know I'm watching
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith and he's a freshman. If I said, let's
Speaker 2: say the Patriots, you can have Travis Hunter or Jeremiah Smith,
Speaker 2: who would you take with that second pick overall? Is
Speaker 2: that what it is? Who would you take because you
Speaker 2: got a two way star? Or you have this guy
Speaker 2: who's great. So we'll talk to new Heiseel. Also, who
Speaker 2: is more likely to go to the NFL first, Ryan
Speaker 2: Day or Marcus Freeman. How about that Patriots have the
Speaker 2: fourth pick here, But so we'll talk to Rick new
Speaker 2: Heiseel little bit later on.
Speaker 5: Yes, I was thinking about nil and Jeremiah Smith as
Speaker 5: a freshman. What is his retention fee to stay at
Speaker 5: Ohio State?
Speaker 2: But if you're Georgia oh like you, you at least
Speaker 2: have to You won a national title at Ohio State,
Speaker 2: So they can't be that mad. If you say, you
Speaker 2: know what, I got to do something for my family
Speaker 2: now I'm a freshman. If you say that, I would,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd at least kicked the tires on it.
Speaker 2: Just say how much am I worth? How much my worth?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, is he worth what a quarterback's worth. I'd
Speaker 2: say yes. My surprise is in the previous But my
Speaker 2: surprise is against Texas. I think he had three targets.
Speaker 2: I mean that to me is criminal. I'd get him
Speaker 2: the ball no matter what. Like there's certain players where
Speaker 2: you go, I'm going to devise things to get you
Speaker 2: the ball. You have Chip Kelly devise something. And that's
Speaker 2: what amazed me. Ill will use him as a decoy.
Speaker 2: N Let's just use him as the best player on
Speaker 2: the field. They went to him last night, I still
Speaker 2: would have gone to him more. Notre Dame plays man coverage.
Speaker 2: I would have gone to him, and I would have
Speaker 2: kept going to him until they put two guys on him,
Speaker 2: and then I'd take advantage elsewhere.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Paul, I know all is well in Ohio state
Speaker 5: Land today. But let's say Jeremiah Smith doesn't catch that ball,
Speaker 5: or they target someone else, Notredame gets the ball back
Speaker 5: and sends us to overtime. I know it's unlikely, but
Speaker 5: the math was there that Notre Dame could win. That
Speaker 5: Jeremi Smith had one second half target.
Speaker 1: I don't get that.
Speaker 5: I was sitting there thinking about the downside, and I
Speaker 5: was like, if Ohio State loses this game, it's going
Speaker 5: to be catastrophic if their star player had one or
Speaker 5: fewer targets in the second half.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't understand it. You know, I'm sure
Speaker 2: there's a lot of smarter people than me that could
Speaker 2: tell me. But I have to get him the ball,
Speaker 2: have to like remarkable though. I mean, when they did
Speaker 2: go to him, he made the great catch and you
Speaker 2: know this band coverage all right? Yes, Marvin, sorry, one
Speaker 2: more thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, is it too early to play the career salary
Speaker 3: game with Jeremi Smith?
Speaker 2: He should changed he s and put a dollar sign. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what's he worth? Ten million dollars? Is that fairy quarterbacks
Speaker 2: get six seven million dollars? There's nobody like him in
Speaker 2: the country. I don't. I'm sure Ohio State fans hate
Speaker 2: hearing about what if you're Michigan. What if you're Michigan
Speaker 2: and you go, hey, how much we got in the collective?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 2: Can you call Larry Ellison again, you know, one of
Speaker 2: the five richest people in the world and a booster
Speaker 2: there notre name or his wife went to Michigan. Hey, Larry,
Speaker 2: we need ten million dollars? Which four? Jeremiah Smith? Oh yeah, okay, yes, Paully.
Speaker 5: I have on three dot com their NIL valuations and
Speaker 5: they're very spot on. Arch Manning is number one, Carson
Speaker 5: Beck number two, Jeremi Smith, the wide receiver is number three.
Speaker 5: His NIL valuation is four to five million dollars. He's
Speaker 5: the only non quarterback in the top twelve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well what's he worth now? All right? Eight seven
Speaker 2: seven three DP show. We'll get to other possible pull questions. Yes, Tom,
Speaker 2: what would be a.
Speaker 3: Reasonable number to leave one school for your arch rivals
Speaker 3: where you can feel comfortable with that and not get
Speaker 3: destroyed if you care about your social following, what people
Speaker 3: think of you.
Speaker 2: I would not go to Michigan. I'd go south. And
Speaker 2: he's from Florida. I'd go South Michigan. Be like three
Speaker 2: four million dollars more?
Speaker 7: Is that enough? And you're not getting that money anywhere
Speaker 7: else for whatever reason.
Speaker 2: I'd think you somebody's gonna match the offer. But I
Speaker 2: would I'd be curious, what is it costing Ohio State
Speaker 2: to keep him and does anybody reach out to him
Speaker 2: or one of his middleman or agents or whatever.
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Speaker 2: It's Christopher mad Dog Russo, host a mad Dog Unleashed
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Speaker 2: mad Dog. Good to see again, which fan base feels
Speaker 2: worse today? Notre Dame or Michigan.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's good one. I sence, good job Danny. Well,
Speaker 7: it was a pleasure to come on.
Speaker 8: I would say probably Michigan because that win to me
Speaker 8: against Ohio State doesn't mean that much anymore. It might
Speaker 8: mean something to them, but the bottom line is Ohio
Speaker 8: State did what you're supposed to do, bounce back, win
Speaker 8: four in a row, win a championship. So to me,
Speaker 8: if the Michigan's gonna take look at us, we who cares.
Speaker 8: The bottom line is they won, They have the championship trophy,
Speaker 8: They're going to the White House, they have the rings, the.
Speaker 7: Notre Dame fan that had a great year.
Speaker 8: They recovered, They did a good job of trying to
Speaker 8: get back in the game. Last night they lost fifty
Speaker 8: six seven. It would be really embarrassing. It was thirty
Speaker 8: one seven. They actually made Ohio State sweat a little bit.
Speaker 8: So I don't think anybody from in South Bend could
Speaker 8: be annoyed and could be disappointed with the or upset
Speaker 8: the fact that they lost. They were an eight point
Speaker 8: underdog for a reason. Ohio State's better than they are,
Speaker 8: they got better players. But the Michigan fan base, to me,
Speaker 8: what Ohio State, by the fact they won so four
Speaker 8: in a row, blew out people did a great job.
Speaker 8: That takes away to me as a fan. They lost
Speaker 8: their lost to Michigan. Who cares that they lost and
Speaker 8: win naming? To me, I was a fan they won
Speaker 8: a championship, So I would say the Michigan fan base
Speaker 8: were more annoyed than a Notre Dame fan base.
Speaker 2: Who did you have money on last day?
Speaker 8: I had Notre Dame dan And here here's the thing.
Speaker 8: I had no business having getting eight. I had no
Speaker 8: business having any chance because obviously thirty one seven and
Speaker 8: then they get the two two point conversions, and then
Speaker 8: you figure, oh my god, I'm going to get a
Speaker 8: push out of this because it was third and eleven.
Speaker 8: Just get the first down there and then one out
Speaker 8: the clock. Instead he throws the bomb. The kid makes
Speaker 8: to catch the ten yard line, so it's first in goal.
Speaker 8: It's not worst than ten. And then they had the
Speaker 8: two timeouts or they get the time out left, so
Speaker 8: they're gonna have to kick the field goal.
Speaker 7: So I got burned with that.
Speaker 8: Now, to be fair. To be fair, I had used
Speaker 8: in getting nine on Saturday afternoon and I got the safety,
Speaker 8: so that negates what happened last night. It's amazing how
Speaker 8: betting works.
Speaker 2: Oh god, good one.
Speaker 8: You have no business, or you push one and then
Speaker 8: three days later you think, look at me, I'm hot.
Speaker 7: It goes to the exact opposite. That's what happened to
Speaker 7: me last night.
Speaker 2: I had to quit Cold Turkey years years, years ago. Chris.
Speaker 2: I never enjoyed winning. I just hated losing, and I
Speaker 2: couldn't enjoy the games. You know, people better as well
Speaker 2: often say you know what, I have no interest in
Speaker 2: this game. I'll put some money on it, now I'll
Speaker 2: watch it. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 8: I understand where you're coming from. I think there's a
Speaker 8: lot of truth to that. You lose the purity of it,
Speaker 8: you know. I sometimes think it's a little bit of
Speaker 8: an occupational hazard because it does make you focus and
Speaker 8: on things that you wouldn't normally focus on, and what
Speaker 8: you and I do on a day and day.
Speaker 7: Off basis that's important.
Speaker 8: For instance, you know, I'll bet a season total for
Speaker 8: a couple of NBA teams regular season total. Now what
Speaker 8: I care in the middle of January what the Kings
Speaker 8: are doing against the Wizards. No, but because I have
Speaker 8: Sacramento asn't over, I'm gonna pay attention. So I look
Speaker 8: at it as almost a times complimentary to what I do.
Speaker 8: But I do understand what you're saying. Sometimes you're looking
Speaker 8: at your bet instead of looking at the big picture.
Speaker 8: I think that's a very fair point, and I can
Speaker 8: see why you would have done that a long time ago.
Speaker 2: These are two more key match or you know, teams franchises,
Speaker 2: Ohio State and Notre Dame. But the National Title game
Speaker 2: felt a little buried, like, you know, we got through
Speaker 2: with football this weekend and then it's on a Monday night.
Speaker 2: Is there a better solution. Do you think.
Speaker 7: It's stupid?
Speaker 8: We've been saying this, How could you play your national
Speaker 8: championship game after four divisional games the whole world is
Speaker 8: talking about. I mean, i'dn't even mention a college football game. Yes,
Speaker 8: until late I needed a little blow. They should play
Speaker 8: the game two days before the divisional games, not after
Speaker 8: the divisional games.
Speaker 7: I don't know why they've been doing this forever on
Speaker 7: these Monday nights.
Speaker 8: I know ESPN wants the Monday night football team because
Speaker 8: on the Monday night it's dumb.
Speaker 7: Nobody cares.
Speaker 8: And they did not get great ratings for the semifinals.
Speaker 8: Notre Dame Penn State only did seventeen million and twenty
Speaker 8: million for Texas.
Speaker 7: They had to be a little disappointed with that. Four
Speaker 7: big franchises, and I don't.
Speaker 8: Even think the game probably would do well. From last night,
Speaker 8: it was thirty one seven. You've seen enough football. It
Speaker 8: was a long weekend. People got to work Tuesday. He
Speaker 8: also had the inauguration, which people may or may not
Speaker 8: have been wrapped up in one way or the other,
Speaker 8: so they were a little burned out by nine to
Speaker 8: thirty ten o'clock and it's thirty one to seven Oha
Speaker 8: state you know what, I'm going to bed. So they
Speaker 8: probably got hurt significantly with that too. Need to get
Speaker 8: away from the NFL as quickly as possible if they
Speaker 8: want to get a big deal going filled for their
Speaker 8: championship game.
Speaker 7: I agree with hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Christopher mad Dog Russo, host of mad Dog Unleashed on
Speaker 2: Sirius XM Channel eighty two. A lot of phone calls
Speaker 2: yesterday from fans. They were talking about the NFL goes
Speaker 2: out of its way to protect Patrick Mahomes, the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: They get all the calls. Ye and look, I understand,
Speaker 2: you know two of those calls with Mahomes should have
Speaker 2: gone the other way. Nothing should have been called. In
Speaker 2: my opinion, I agree. Do I think he flaunts the
Speaker 2: uh hey look at me, you can't touch me? Yes,
Speaker 2: I do. I agree, But I don't you know, when
Speaker 2: fans get into the conspiracy theory of all the you know,
Speaker 2: the NFL wants the Chiefs to win, that's where they
Speaker 2: lose me. Why why?
Speaker 7: Right? They take it too far? They take it too far.
Speaker 7: But Daan, let's be honest.
Speaker 8: They get every call, know the man I mean, and
Speaker 8: then Mahomes then he flaunts it by trying to steal
Speaker 8: another fifteen yards. It cost him a field goal in
Speaker 8: the first drive of the game. It would have been
Speaker 8: they would have had a punt. They it spearheaded their
Speaker 8: touchdown drive on that fifteen yard penalty.
Speaker 7: They got a call against.
Speaker 8: The Raiders where the Raiders recovered the fumble, and then
Speaker 8: they said, oh no, no, it was a legal procedure,
Speaker 8: so the call had been stopped, so the play there
Speaker 8: was no play. That was the Friday after Thanksgiving. They
Speaker 8: called the two penalties, and somehow good Al must have
Speaker 8: gotten on the phone and told the official, hey called
Speaker 8: the other one, because let's call the play dead.
Speaker 7: That never occurred.
Speaker 8: I didn't understand that they got a call against Philadelphia
Speaker 8: in the Super Bowl. I never would have called that
Speaker 8: hold which ruined the game, because then they can just,
Speaker 8: you know, take three knees and kick the game winning
Speaker 8: field goal. That call I do not make under any circumstances.
Speaker 8: And they're great reads. Great Mahomes is the great. We
Speaker 8: all understand that that's a great franchise, hunts great honor.
Speaker 7: We get that. But I don't know how anybody could
Speaker 7: sit there and watch the Chiefs over the last eight
Speaker 7: nine years and think they don't get any calls. A
Speaker 7: lot of the Chief fan will bring up, well, how
Speaker 7: about the off side that coursed.
Speaker 8: Us the game against New England. He was twenty feet
Speaker 8: off sides. You had to call that. How about the
Speaker 8: left tackle always moves early? Who they never make that
Speaker 8: call when he moves early. He moves early every single time,
Speaker 8: and they never made the call. They made it once
Speaker 8: this week, thank god, but generally they never make the
Speaker 8: They never call that. I'm chiefed out, Dan, I'm chiefed out.
Speaker 8: And now all of a sudden, Caitlin Clark is a
Speaker 8: Chief fan. Let me get this straight. We watched Caitlin
Speaker 8: a wonderful athlete, great, we all know how great she is,
Speaker 8: great for the sport. I never saw her once where
Speaker 8: a Chief Jersey, where a chief has have her father
Speaker 8: were the Chiefs.
Speaker 7: And now all of a sudden she's a huge Chief fan.
Speaker 8: Oh come on, I think myself, I think America has
Speaker 8: had enough with Kansas City. Dan, I'm so hard for
Speaker 8: Buffalo on Sunday afternoon, I'm gonna beg that Alan finally
Speaker 8: gets to a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark has announced her fandom with the Chiefs years Ago.
Speaker 7: I never heard that.
Speaker 2: Ye, yes, yes, he's a Chief fan. She knows yes Mahomes, Yes, yes.
Speaker 7: She knows about Super Bowl one.
Speaker 2: No, no, she wasn't born yet. He may know about
Speaker 2: Jamal Charles. I don't know Chris, but she she doesn't know.
Speaker 2: You know who is it? Fred the Hammer Williamson does?
Speaker 8: She knows Miami couble over time twenty seven, twenty four
Speaker 8: and Christmas for the one of the most famous games
Speaker 8: in a history in the National Football League.
Speaker 2: Probably you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: I know what I'm saying. I know, Dan, You're not
Speaker 7: chiefed out. You're not chiefed out.
Speaker 2: Oh I am, I am. But but whose fault is
Speaker 2: it that they show Caitlyn Clark or they show Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: It's not Caitlyn Clark and Taylor Swift. So why don't
Speaker 2: you call your network friends? Why don't you call your
Speaker 2: bosses that you know? You know Sean mcmaanor is one?
Speaker 2: Good point?
Speaker 7: Good job, Danny.
Speaker 8: Last year I had mcmanuson because CBS had the game
Speaker 8: and obviously had all the Chief games, and.
Speaker 7: Shawan made a big deal about how they only.
Speaker 8: Showed uh Swift three though I had them on at
Speaker 8: the super Bowl at the Masters before his last event,
Speaker 8: and I asked him about swift at the super Bowl.
Speaker 7: That says only on a shortter for like three minutes.
Speaker 8: What he didn't tell me He showed them thirty eight
Speaker 8: times during that game in the booth. Thirty eight times
Speaker 8: enough already, I get it. She likes the chiefs. Her
Speaker 8: boyfriend's the tight end.
Speaker 2: It's not her fault, Chris, it's not her. What can
Speaker 2: she say? Hey, I don't. I don't want you to
Speaker 2: put the camera on me.
Speaker 7: I good, so I believe it in the networks? Is
Speaker 7: that what you want me to say?
Speaker 2: I mean they show Robert Kraft. Do you get upset
Speaker 2: when they cut away to roams the team? Who wants
Speaker 2: to see Robert Kraft?
Speaker 7: I get it, I get it.
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones getting his glasses cleaned. It's enterteam and.
Speaker 7: Chris, we're not chiefed out then I am?
Speaker 2: I am? Because they're so good.
Speaker 7: The home doesn't get Mahomes doesn't get every calling on
Speaker 7: the man.
Speaker 2: That might be true, but see, I don't want that
Speaker 2: to clout our judgment. Chris that well, he is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: And I made this mistake with Bjorn Borg. I didn't
Speaker 2: like Borg because he stood in the way of John McEnroe.
Speaker 2: He always beat John, and I got I hated Borg
Speaker 2: for no other reason. So I missed that entire run
Speaker 2: how great he was because my mind was like God,
Speaker 2: I don't like him because he beats John McEnroe. Mahomes Is.
Speaker 2: So I mean, this is rarefied air.
Speaker 7: Now, remember that's fair.
Speaker 8: Last year I went on everywhere and said he's the
Speaker 8: best quarterback, greatest quarterback I've ever seen. I did it
Speaker 8: all that, I did it on first day, all aft me.
Speaker 8: How's he better than Brady? How's he better than this.
Speaker 7: That and the other?
Speaker 2: You and I?
Speaker 7: You and I go back far enough.
Speaker 8: You saw Unitis, You and I about the same age
Speaker 8: you saw Unitis.
Speaker 7: You and I saw Starback.
Speaker 8: You know, we we've heard of Sammy Ball, We've we've
Speaker 8: heard of Otto Graham, Sula Shula at the New Ordan
Speaker 8: super Bowl, and that would have been the Pittsburgh, No,
Speaker 8: that would have been San Francisco, Baltimore.
Speaker 7: I had Don Shooter, and I'm sure you had him.
Speaker 8: On that same week he came in a wheelchair and
Speaker 8: we were talking about great quarterbacks. Took the first thing
Speaker 8: he said, don't forget about Otto, don't forget.
Speaker 7: About Auto Graham.
Speaker 8: So you and I know the quarterbacks, and I think
Speaker 8: Mahomes is the greatest quarterback I've ever seen. I can't
Speaker 8: get him a better compliment than that, and I think
Speaker 8: you probably feel.
Speaker 7: The same way.
Speaker 2: I have a picture that PAULI just got me. Caitlyn
Speaker 2: Clark looks like she's about eight years old. She's with
Speaker 2: her cousins and she has her chiefs Jersey.
Speaker 7: Oh, you guys are Caitlin Clark?
Speaker 2: Now, would you like to issue an apology?
Speaker 8: Is she?
Speaker 7: What does she?
Speaker 8: Hanks Stram Now, I guess I guess I should to
Speaker 8: be picking on Caitlin Clark and Chief doubt I'm cheaping.
Speaker 7: And Dan those calls on Saturday were bush league. Those
Speaker 7: are bush league calls.
Speaker 2: Brady versus Belichick. The Verdict three part event hosted by
Speaker 2: Chris Oh okay, who's more critical to the success of
Speaker 2: the Patriots Dynasty Tom or Bill The premiers tonight at
Speaker 2: ten eastern on Vice TV and weekly on Tuesday. Okay,
Speaker 2: they did it great.
Speaker 7: They did a great job with this. You know I
Speaker 7: did the panel with him.
Speaker 8: You did a panel first with Carl Banks, Peter King,
Speaker 8: Devin mccordy, and then you know, they said would your
Speaker 8: mind coming back and sort of sort of setting up
Speaker 8: the scenes. So the first episode will be why Brady's
Speaker 8: more significant to the Patriots success, the second one is Belichick,
Speaker 8: and then the third one the Tuesday before the Super Bowl.
Speaker 8: It's sort of a discussion where we kind of break
Speaker 8: it down and you got somebody say this, and somebody
Speaker 8: say that they did a great job, and they go
Speaker 8: into weeds. This is not your you know, shrub where
Speaker 8: you don't, yeah, you kind of just do the surface on.
Speaker 7: They do it.
Speaker 8: They have everybody comment, everybody from players, costas. They do
Speaker 8: a great job with it. I spent, you know, two
Speaker 8: full days doing the two scenes. Each show is an hour.
Speaker 8: I can't tell you enough how Gary Myers was involved.
Speaker 8: He wrote a lot of good stuff about it. He
Speaker 8: was sort of the ep of it, and you know,
Speaker 8: and the verdict means, you know, at the end of
Speaker 8: the third episode, I kind of give you where we
Speaker 8: all stand and I kind of give you a verdict.
Speaker 8: I'm sort of just a quarterback of it. The panel
Speaker 8: does a great job, and I think the average fan
Speaker 8: will be able to make a good decision of what
Speaker 8: percentage each should get for the six championships in New England.
Speaker 7: That's the idea of it. I think it'd be impressed.
Speaker 2: It's a good show, right, It's called The Verdict. Brady
Speaker 2: versus Belichick tonight at ten eastern on Vice TV. The
Speaker 2: Baseball Hall of Fame announcement later on today, six eastern.
Speaker 2: Each year, ro Cc Sabbathia, Billy Wagner.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Wagner's going to get in because he's ways.
Speaker 8: He's seventy three point four percent of the vote last
Speaker 8: year and this is last year of eligibility. Gage No,
Speaker 8: I don't know if myself, if I think Wagner is
Speaker 8: a Hall of Famer. He was not good in postseason play,
Speaker 8: and that's how relievers, in my eyes, should be judged.
Speaker 8: But he'll get those extra votes. Sabathia will probably get into.
Speaker 8: He's got a lifetime three point seventy four.
Speaker 7: E RA, which is high.
Speaker 8: But Sabathia was a tremendous big game pitcher, pitch when
Speaker 8: you know on sacrifice three days rest from Milwaukee when
Speaker 8: he was going to be a big free agent. I'll
Speaker 8: live with that and Hetros and no Graham, So I
Speaker 8: haven't looked at that list as significant as I probably should.
Speaker 8: There's probably a couple of others there. Andrew Jones, for instance.
Speaker 8: I'm not sure what people.
Speaker 7: Think about him.
Speaker 2: Bell Trump, Yeah, that ten.
Speaker 8: Years now of eligibility. But it's a big day for baseball.
Speaker 8: They have fun with this. You and I love this
Speaker 8: kind of stuff. Would you put Sabbathiw in if you
Speaker 8: were voting, If you put in if you were voting,
Speaker 8: would you put both in?
Speaker 2: Yeah you would. Yeah. Wagner's greatest left handed closer of
Speaker 2: all time. And I agree with you. You know with postseason
Speaker 2: that that's what we want to see with closers each
Speaker 2: your ow no brainer. But yeah, Sabbathew was a workhorse.
Speaker 2: Like that guy would take the ball. Milwaukee abused him
Speaker 2: before they knew they were going to lose him, Like
Speaker 2: you're pitching again. I just pitched yesterday, Get out there,
Speaker 2: pitch again.
Speaker 7: I mean he had the guts to take the ball. Yeah,
Speaker 7: he should be rewarded for that. And that was before
Speaker 7: his three agency when he went to the Yankees.
Speaker 2: I don't get caught up in era because Jack Morris
Speaker 2: is one of my favorite pitchers, because the guy was
Speaker 2: an ace for three different franchises. And all he did
Speaker 2: was give me the ball. I'm going to pitch as
Speaker 2: long as you know I can possibly pitch. We get
Speaker 2: caught up in e RA. I know we use it,
Speaker 2: we can use stats differently, but I still want somebody
Speaker 2: who wants the ball and you're not going to burn
Speaker 2: up the bullpen. And I was just a big Jack
Speaker 2: Morris fan.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean he got in via the writer, by
Speaker 8: the executive committee. He did not get in bya the writers.
Speaker 8: And he was fifteen years I believe you know. I
Speaker 8: could go either way with Morris. No use to fight
Speaker 8: that argument now because he's in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 8: I didn't think Bli Levin was a Hall of Fame
Speaker 8: pitcher myself.
Speaker 2: What about Tommy John, Well.
Speaker 7: I know he's got too in seventy four light time wins?
Speaker 7: Is that what it is?
Speaker 2: I think he's got to eighty eight to eighty eight.
Speaker 7: Do you think Tommy John was a great pitcher? I
Speaker 7: never thought he was. Waits good Wait.
Speaker 2: Don gron Sutton wasn't great, But I.
Speaker 8: Agree with you, and he's got three hundred wins, so
Speaker 8: that got him into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 7: I agree with you.
Speaker 8: I don't know if I would have voted for someton. No,
Speaker 8: he got through the wins. I mean, Field Negro was
Speaker 8: a great he met a great all time pitcher. But
Speaker 8: he's got three ure and forty something wins because he
Speaker 8: pitched forever with the knuckleball. Yeah, but do you think
Speaker 8: Tommy John, when you watched Tommy John Danny, did you
Speaker 8: think you were watching a Hall of Fame pitcher.
Speaker 7: I didn't think so, did you?
Speaker 2: What about contributions to the game.
Speaker 7: Because of the injury, with the with the with the army.
Speaker 7: You know, you get a don't you give the surgeon
Speaker 7: that more so than you give time.
Speaker 2: No, because he had to go out. He won twenty
Speaker 2: games I think three times after having that surgery. He
Speaker 2: had to prove that it would be successful.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I don't look at it that way.
Speaker 7: But that's fair. I mean, if you wanted to say that,
Speaker 7: that's a little adendum.
Speaker 8: Fan.
Speaker 7: Now, he's never going to get in. But I'll tell
Speaker 7: you the guy that.
Speaker 8: I can't understand that's not in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 8: and that's Garvey. How is Steve Garvey not in the
Speaker 8: Hall of Fame? He won an MVP, He's a three
Speaker 8: forty eight hitter in the postseason. He's a two ninety
Speaker 8: four lifetime hitter. He had that consecutive game streak. He
Speaker 8: dominated the Cubs in the eighty five player in the
Speaker 8: eighty four playoffs when they got to the World Series.
Speaker 8: He was a mainstay on a very good Dodger team
Speaker 8: for what ten twelve years? He won an MVP, He
Speaker 8: had two hundred hits a million times. How is Tony
Speaker 8: Perez is in the Hall of Fame and not Steve Garvey?
Speaker 8: How the hell is that possible? That's ridiculous. Garvey hit
Speaker 8: three point forty dan in postseason playing.
Speaker 7: He was in the postseason every year.
Speaker 2: But you know what, if you talk to the Reds
Speaker 2: to a man and you said, the games on the line,
Speaker 2: you want somebody up, they give you Tony pres Johnny
Speaker 2: Bench will tell you that they all looked at at
Speaker 2: Doggie and uh, you know, Tony Prez, and that was
Speaker 2: the guy that they wanted up in a clutch moment.
Speaker 7: That says, but the Dodgers. You would you could say
Speaker 7: the same thing about Gary. But the Dodgers, it's true
Speaker 7: that because they don't like.
Speaker 2: Garby and he's a ten time All Star. I have
Speaker 2: no problem with that. Oh, you know what, I gotta go.
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark wants you to talk about see you, buddy,
Speaker 2: Christopher mad Dog Russo, it's the verdict. It's Brady Belichick
Speaker 2: to night ten Eastern on Vice TV.
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan
Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am pacifics
Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and The iHeart a.
Speaker 2: Wap Rick new Heiel, former college coach, now works for
Speaker 2: CBS Sports. He was at the national title game. He
Speaker 2: joins us on the program. What did you expect before
Speaker 2: the start of this game?
Speaker 9: I expected exactly what the first half gave us, which
Speaker 9: was a Buckeye kind of one sided affair. I thought
Speaker 9: the Buckeye defense, which had been outstanding much of the season,
Speaker 9: even going back to the Michigan game, would have their way.
Speaker 9: And because Will Howard and this receiver crew had been
Speaker 9: unlocked during the playoffs, averaging over three hundred yards a game,
Speaker 9: I thought that would be too much for the largely
Speaker 9: playing man defense of Notre Daday.
Speaker 2: You know, when Marcus Freeman comes out to start the
Speaker 2: second half, he looks like a guy who is out
Speaker 2: in the water and there's a big wave coming just
Speaker 2: to take him under. What is that feeling like when
Speaker 2: you really you're holding on for dear life.
Speaker 9: Well, I mean he had to take some shots, and
Speaker 9: it just was amazing that Jadeen Grethouse had the same
Speaker 9: kind of second half he did Riley Leonard seventeen to
Speaker 9: twenty two in the second half over two hundred yards.
Speaker 9: I mean, where was that. They really hadn't needed that
Speaker 9: portion of their offense much of the season, and yet
Speaker 9: there it was when they summoned it. And you just
Speaker 9: kind of wonder. Great House who had over one hundred
Speaker 9: yards receiving in both the last two games. That's amazing
Speaker 9: that he wasn't more utilized over the course of the year.
Speaker 2: How did Notre Dame make it interesting.
Speaker 9: With Great House and Mitchell Evans and you know guys
Speaker 9: rose to the occasion a couple of great two point plays.
Speaker 9: I mean, this was a well coached football team. They
Speaker 9: got everything out of this team all season long. Is
Speaker 9: a unique Notre Dame team because you don't remember Notre
Speaker 9: Dame teams with six year players and a bunch of
Speaker 9: transfers that that's not normal.
Speaker 2: For Notre Dame.
Speaker 9: Who you know, days in the days of Lou Holtz
Speaker 9: and Dan Deviney. You've got four years to play and
Speaker 9: then you matriculated on this was They've grown into the
Speaker 9: college football scene, how it's being played now, and I
Speaker 9: think they got everything out of this team. I think
Speaker 9: everybody left the stadium last night kind of happy with
Speaker 9: the way their team played.
Speaker 2: After Ohio State lost to Michigan, I wondered on that Monday,
Speaker 2: you know, without this twelve team playoff, would he have
Speaker 2: kept his job? And now obviously he's going to keep
Speaker 2: his job, But I wonder what this twelve team playoff
Speaker 2: does to the rivalry with Michigan moving forward that it
Speaker 2: used to be. If you lost that game, you lost
Speaker 2: any hope to win a national championship.
Speaker 9: You know, that rivalry is so ingrained in the culture
Speaker 9: of those two states that I don't think anything is
Speaker 9: going to go.
Speaker 2: Away in that rivalry.
Speaker 9: Michigan, you know, feels like, hey, we beat the national champs.
Speaker 9: We were the national champs. It's the first time Dan
Speaker 9: since the Big Ten one back to back national championship
Speaker 9: since I think sixty five and sixty six. That's an
Speaker 9: incredible thing for Tony Petiti for the Big Ten. But
Speaker 9: if you're asking ohiuse eight fans and Michigan fans. If
Speaker 9: that game's going to go anyway closer to diminishing importance,
Speaker 9: no way, no chance.
Speaker 2: Talking to Rick new Heisl, he was there last night
Speaker 2: joining us from Atlanta the National title game. If I
Speaker 2: said you could have Jeremiah Smith or Travis Hunter.
Speaker 9: Ooh, that's a good one. I think Jeremiah Smith beats
Speaker 9: Travis Hunter if they play head to head. If you
Speaker 9: put Travis Hunter out there at corner, just because even
Speaker 9: if Travis Hunter can stay with him, Jeremiah Smith sighs
Speaker 9: allows him to make the play. It's he's a unique,
Speaker 9: unique athlete. I watched him walking around in the lobby
Speaker 9: at the hotel here and just that is a man
Speaker 9: in a very young body. That is he's he's a
Speaker 9: tough he's a tough out. And listen, Notre Dame with
Speaker 9: that third down right there, had to play man. They
Speaker 9: had to come after him. That that was the down
Speaker 9: that gave them their only chance. And uh, it wasn't
Speaker 9: an accident that Will Howard went to number four.
Speaker 2: What happens in the off season with college football, great question.
Speaker 9: I think that they're going to get closer and closer
Speaker 9: I keep wanting for collective bargaining, But when I asked
Speaker 9: the question to those who really can make things happen
Speaker 9: in college football, they say, collectively bargain with who that
Speaker 9: they do the players really get benefit from assembling and
Speaker 9: unionizing and becoming an organization. All they're going to do
Speaker 9: is lose things in that regard rather than gain things.
Speaker 9: So I think we're going to get closer to contracts
Speaker 9: some you know, UH some employment relationship with the UH,
Speaker 9: with the student athletes, and and I think hopefully we'll
Speaker 9: get there sooner than later so we can get our
Speaker 9: arms around it. We've got to saw of getting to
Speaker 9: the finish line with both coaches and players. Intact, we've
Speaker 9: got to solve this transfer portal thing. This kid leaving
Speaker 9: from Wisconsin to Miami and saying I don't need to
Speaker 9: be in the portal throws a whole wrench into that conversation.
Speaker 9: And then we've got to make sure that, in my estimation,
Speaker 9: that we hang on to the entirety of Division one
Speaker 9: rather than try to keep leaning towards this the super
Speaker 9: Conference that a lot of private money's trying to influence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's gonna happen. Rick, I just I
Speaker 2: think they it's money. They're just looking at it. All
Speaker 2: of this is money. That's why we went to twelve team.
Speaker 2: That's why we'll go to fourteen, and in probably you know,
Speaker 2: six or seven years, we'll go to sixteen teams.
Speaker 9: Well, the fact that all four teams were a bye loss,
Speaker 9: we might go to sixteen sooner than later, given the
Speaker 9: fact it didn't look like an advantage. As the old
Speaker 9: man said to the young man, the answers money. Now
Speaker 9: what was the question? You're exactly right on that super conference.
Speaker 9: I just would like everybody to look at themselves in
Speaker 9: the mirror and say, is this what we had intended
Speaker 9: when we started college football, which was supposed to be
Speaker 9: about enhancing the education of young people. And if we
Speaker 9: actually eliminate scholarships because there are a number of programs
Speaker 9: that can't participate because we just say only these many
Speaker 9: are television darlings, what have we done? And I think
Speaker 9: if we borrow a little bit of the European soccer model,
Speaker 9: with some relegation and promotion, you can give the little
Speaker 9: guys some access, you can give the big guys some incentive,
Speaker 9: and you can create more television drama, which obviously resonates
Speaker 9: with the czars of television because college football right now
Speaker 9: is the number two television draw in America, NFL being one,
Speaker 9: college football being two, and the other professional leagues behind
Speaker 9: them and really not close. So I would argue that
Speaker 9: there's a way to preserve what we have in college
Speaker 9: football and most importantly, preserve all those scholarships.
Speaker 2: More likely to coach in the NFL. Marcus Freeman or
Speaker 2: Ryan Day. Great question. I think my answer right now
Speaker 2: is Ryan Day. But Marcus Freeman is a rock star.
Speaker 2: There's no there's no getting around that. He's a rock star.
Speaker 2: It was a marvelous job at Notre Dame. He's going
Speaker 2: to look and keep pushing the envelope with Pete the
Speaker 2: back with a new ad and try to say, how
Speaker 2: can we get more guys that look like those guys
Speaker 2: in the white last night. Great to talk to you
Speaker 2: is always have a great off season, Rick, thanks for
Speaker 2: joining us DP.
Speaker 9: It's always a pleasure. Happy New Year, my brother.
Speaker 2: That's Rick Neuheisel.