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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to another edition of Club Shay Say. I

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Speaker 1: am your host, Shennon Sharpe. I'm also so the propriet

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Speaker 1: of Club Shasha, and the guy that's stopping about for

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Speaker 1: conversation on the drink today is one of the most

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Speaker 1: powerful figures in sports. He's a self made superagent, founder

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Speaker 1: CEO of Clutch Sports. His agency represents over two hundred

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Speaker 1: athletes in multiple leagues. He's negotiated over four billion dollars

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Speaker 1: in contracts. He's an entrepreneur, a businessman, and he's from

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Speaker 1: the east side of Cleveland to the top of the

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Speaker 1: sports world. His newest memoir, Lucky Me, a Memoir of

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Speaker 1: changing the odds Rich Paul.

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Speaker 2: Frich, How you doing it? Bro?

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Speaker 5: This is no, don't even start.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead, tell your story, go ahead, and

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Speaker 2: then trying.

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Speaker 5: To get on club and you skip over everybody but

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Speaker 5: your dog.

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Speaker 2: But it's cool. Don't worry about it. You know what,

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Speaker 2: you know?

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Speaker 1: I got my old Brandon Kanyac. I said you about it.

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Speaker 1: I know you got it.

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Speaker 2: It's on my shelf.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Uh, you don't let me an investment. But it's fine.

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Speaker 2: I don't think. Don't worry about it.

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Speaker 1: To come to get to where you got to, come

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Speaker 1: to where you came from and do it in the class,

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Speaker 1: in the manner in which done it, and to help

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Speaker 2: You can do it. Chiz, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's start with the book, luck at Me, a

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Speaker 1: memoir of changing the odds.

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Speaker 2: Why was it important for you to write this book.

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Speaker 6: I think it's important because we need as many positive examples,

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Speaker 5: It can come in a storyline, shared experience.

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Speaker 6: And so this book is lucky me, but it's really

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Speaker 6: about us.

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Speaker 5: This is a gift for me to.

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Speaker 6: He had to be seventy years old, and he just

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Speaker 5: And he was just like, man, you know, just more

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Speaker 6: I think that impact is really helpful, right And for me,

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Speaker 6: I didn't know how much I actually needed to write

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Speaker 6: It was I haven't been able to get through the

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Speaker 2: Everybody's not happy, everybody, somebody had a bad day.

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Speaker 2: Right. I think the thing is rich is that empathy.

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Speaker 1: Empathy is being able to divorce your ego, set aside

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Speaker 4: Go?

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Speaker 5: I don't look at that as a negative thing.

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Speaker 6: things where you can go to TJ Max and get

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Speaker 5: And so I learn those.

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Speaker 5: Was that was important to me.

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Speaker 6: But I also knew then the responsibility of right from wrong.

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Speaker 1: At that at that point, and that's what I was

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Speaker 1: I rolled dice, trying to hit the lick, shoot pool, shot.

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Speaker 6: Jump jumpers, horse, casino race, whatever you wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: Back you didn't want to do it, but you didn't

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Speaker 2: You never not.

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Speaker 6: Then when I made those choices, I understood because I

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Speaker 6: It was because of survival. Because you know, when you

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Speaker 5: What's your options? What's your real opportunity?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 6: The lady who took that picture, we called her picture Lady.

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Speaker 6: She would that was her, that was her her hustle.

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Speaker 6: She would have the polaroid and she would come on

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Speaker 2: That was art.

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Speaker 5: She could have been Dina Lawson.

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Speaker 2: That was art.

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Speaker 5: She could have been uh she, that could have been Instagram.

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Speaker 5: You ever thought about this and let me invest in that.

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Speaker 5: Everybody on the right of me had a hustle. Everybody

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Speaker 6: There's no careers, there's no great job, there's no equity positions.

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Speaker 6: You get what I'm saying, there's no VC, there's none

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Speaker 5: We don't have that. So we had to turn to

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Speaker 6: Now, some people did it, and they did it with malice,

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Speaker 5: That was never me.

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Speaker 6: My intent was always I always tried to find the right,

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Speaker 5: That makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's the most money? You like roll?

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Speaker 1: You say you like rolling dice? So what's the most

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Speaker 5: When what age con sine? You gotta understand.

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Speaker 6: The reason why my dad taught me how to He

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Speaker 5: Us, these are the tools. These were exact words. These

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Speaker 6: If you get laid off on this job, to get

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Speaker 5: Here's some things you can do to get by. I

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Speaker 6: And and that's the thing and everything. So I and

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Speaker 6: and you know, once to drink, I'd be grand out

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Speaker 5: It don't matter.

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Speaker 2: Talk brandy money. I don't grady take the money out

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Speaker 6: I beat your grandma out of the money, my grandma.

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Speaker 6: Whoever got the money I wanted. I'm beating about the money.

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Speaker 6: You don't have to worry about that, because that's what

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Speaker 5: You in play soon as you put that money.

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Speaker 2: And ain't no.

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Speaker 5: I didn't mean to do that because.

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Speaker 5: You seen what I did?

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Speaker 6: I did, I did like this, What did.

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Speaker 6: So so when I was young, we totally cut catching out.

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Speaker 6: There's no more catching. Now that does the number of things.

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Speaker 6: It opens the game up, it spees it up. But

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Speaker 5: So now it's it's it was. You know, it's a

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Speaker 6: So we had spots, right, and so the best way

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Speaker 6: Those are the big game. That was the big game.

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Speaker 1: But you know rich when that kind of money is involved.

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Speaker 5: Well they ain't had that back then, but yet you know,

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Speaker 6: Big yeah, but I'm gonna tell you something about these

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Speaker 5: That's no go period.

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Speaker 6: You knew that that was a you know, it was

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Speaker 5: So as a kid, I'm seeing guys pop the trunk.

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Speaker 6: we get a hold of them when we get fourteen fifteen.

445
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 6: I didn't even drink, but that's what we wanted. My

446
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,119
Speaker 6: friend cases are mo ad cases are down, you know,

447
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 6: going to Blue Point for dinner and stuff like that

448
00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 6: as young men. Because because we're hanging with forty five

449
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 6: year old men.

450
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 5: That's teaching us this. And so I was never really

451
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 5: allowed to be a child per se. But the game

452
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 5: was given. That's why the ceet I city in today.

453
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 5: I got to get a game because it was given

454
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 5: to me.

455
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 2: Been to a have a dice game recently.

456
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: No, you don't have dice because you know some some

457
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 1: player like to play cards and you know with their buddies. Yeah,

458
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: now you can't have outside because they're gonna try to sleep.

459
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: They're gonna bring the crooked dice, loaded dice that roll

460
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 1: the channel four all day.

461
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,160
Speaker 6: I would love to in a in an environment because

462
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,159
Speaker 6: you know, you like to be the shop, you like

463
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 6: to be you know, we just love that part. But

464
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 6: it's just too dang, it's two days. I won't to

465
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 6: do it today, but amongst friends if they would. But

466
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 6: now all my friends they need to back.

467
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 5: So you can't be you know, you can't.

468
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 6: You can't be shooting for eight hours because you know

469
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:05,400
Speaker 6: they need they have to go out and score forty five.

470
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 5: You know, you can't do that. So it's a different

471
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 5: dynamic now. But they love it right, you know.

472
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 6: But but again, but just the house, the gambling house,

473
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 6: the characters within the gambling house, the teachings within the

474
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 6: gambling house. See, we had to learn by losing. That's

475
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 6: how we learned by losing. These kids today they want

476
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 6: to skip every step in the process and they.

477
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 2: Don't want to just win win win.

478
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 5: No, it don't work.

479
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: They won't take it, you know eventually.

480
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, you were raised by your grandparents,

481
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 1: And you said that when in the book I read

482
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: in the book where you went to live with your grandparents,

483
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 1: your granny was really strict.

484
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: Most grandparents are.

485
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 5: Detail you were like all the kind of like, like, damn,

486
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 5: what was the first time I ever had my own room?

487
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 6: When I moved with my grandma Johnny May, it was

488
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 6: the first time I ever had my own room, right,

489
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 6: you know, And I'm looking around.

490
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 5: I can't believe it, but it's me.

491
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 6: It's Johnny. My grandma Johnny made my grab my camera.

492
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 6: My uncle Charlie, now they are These are on my

493
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 6: father's side. My great grandmother.

494
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 5: All she ate was Wrigley's gone. So when I would

495
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 5: come home from my dad's.

496
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 6: Store shed she ate spearmint big not big red cause

497
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 6: it was too hot, right, spearmint uh doublemint, and juicy

498
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 6: fruit cause it wasn't no winter fresh then yet. And

499
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 6: my grandma Paul the only thing she ate was peanut

500
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 6: M and m's. My uncle Charlie went to see his

501
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 6: girlfriend one one day out the week. He leave at

502
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 6: ten o'clock on Tuesday. He come back eleven o'clock on Wednesday,

503
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 6: A wear white shirt, hat, Stacey Adams.

504
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 5: You could eat off the car, but was so clean.

505
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 5: But he was so detailed.

506
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 6: At ten o'clock, no matter what the game, the game

507
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 6: could be in overtime when that clock strike ten o'clock.

508
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 6: If you sitting outside my house, you could see him

509
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 6: going up the stairs to get in the bed. This

510
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 6: is what so I know I don't use alarm clock

511
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 6: right now to this day because my grandmother get up

512
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 6: every day at three thirty in the morning, Babe her mom.

513
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 6: Then she go downstairs and you know, do what she

514
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 6: needs to do. She washed it and she cooking it

515
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 6: at the same time. Then I get up at five thirty.

516
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 6: My dad's picking me up. We opened the store at six.

517
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 6: That was my routine every morning.

518
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: Wow, you said your mom struggled with addiction when you

519
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: were a child. What impact did that have on you?

520
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: Not having her the mother? We know what the mother

521
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: brings to the family. Yeah, the matriarch. What did that

522
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: do to a young rich loss.

523
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 6: Of emotion and vulnerability? You know, because in order for

524
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 6: you to love something, you have to allow yourself to

525
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 6: be vulnerable. I had to wipe that out because it

526
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 6: affected me in a way in which I loved my

527
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 6: mother loved my mother.

528
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,360
Speaker 5: When she was around.

529
00:25:59,200 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 2: Life.

530
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 6: For the part, you could smell the food coming from

531
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 6: down the hall. Oh you would have been you would

532
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 6: have been so overwaken, my god, cakes, pies, chocolate pie,

533
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 6: cherry pie, peach.

534
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 5: Cobbler, but not a pudding. I mean, it was the work.

535
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 5: It was unbelievable, unbelievable. But you know I didn't have that.

536
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 6: I'm only getting that for two three days at a time.

537
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 6: I may I may be without it for six months,

538
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 6: six seven months at a time. And I just had

539
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 6: to understand. And the way my dad put it to me,

540
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 6: it was a sickness. So I had to just understand

541
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 6: it and move on. But it was tough, you know,

542
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 6: because parent teacher conference, I look in the stands, I'm

543
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 6: at my.

544
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 5: Games, homecoming, you know, whatever the case may be. She

545
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 5: ain't there.

546
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 6: But I'm always I was always in somebody else's car

547
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 6: with they parents, or at somebody else's house with they parents,

548
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 6: you know, holidays and things like that.

549
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 5: It was always that, and so it could break you,

550
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 5: but it didn't break me. Mentally. I was able to

551
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 5: overcome it.

552
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 6: And you would never know, you would never know what

553
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 6: I was with, what you deal with Oh, you would

554
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 6: never You would never know that because I didn't wear

555
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 6: it on my jacket.

556
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: You said earlier that some of the things that when

557
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: you started writing this book you didn't realize how much

558
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: trauma you had endured. And as you started to write,

559
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: it became very emotional, and in the audio books it

560
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: really audio portion.

561
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 2: It really started with this. The main reason why.

562
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, because you know, you relive in those moments, you

563
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 6: get extremely emotional. You know, I lost both my parents

564
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 6: at such a young age nineteen and thirty six, lost

565
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 6: my mom at thirty six, lost my dad in nineteen

566
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 6: and you know, just reliving those moments, man, it's tough,

567
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 6: and I know what kids go through today because there's

568
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 6: you could be My dad wasn't present, but he was present, right,

569
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 6: He didn't live with me, but he was present. My

570
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 6: mother wasn't there, but I had so much respect for that.

571
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 6: The I did get to spend with her, I spent it.

572
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 6: It was never a place of then. I never came

573
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 6: from a place of anger. I never came from a

574
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 6: place of disrespect. And by the way, even if I

575
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 6: wanted to come from a place of disrespect, my mother

576
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 6: could throw down, so she ain't going for that anyway,

577
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 6: You're gonna get your lip flat for sure.

578
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 5: So but I never even came like that. You understand

579
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.

580
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 6: And so, but when I was writing a book, and

581
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 6: especially when I was doing the audio book, when I

582
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 6: got to the end where I write this message to

583
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 6: my mom, it really choked me.

584
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 5: You only get one mom, man, you get one mother.

585
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 5: And I try to explain that to my clients today.

586
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 6: The way our industry is today, sometimes it becomes a

587
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 6: joust amongst families, and it's very important for everyone within

588
00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 6: the family to have perspective and to have clarity. For

589
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 6: many years, had a black cloud over that title that

590
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 6: was considered somebody that was shady or somebody that was

591
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 6: It was a gray area there. I wanted to change that.

592
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 6: The The the fortunate thing is I have been able

593
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 6: to change it somewhat. The unfortunate thing has been, and

594
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 6: we talked about it, is that you still wake up

595
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 6: every day. I can't change the color of my skin.

596
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 6: And as tough as it is with the industry, we

597
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 6: make it even tougher on ourselves because there's still a competition.

598
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 5: And don't get me wrong, when you when you're going

599
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 5: out and recruiting clients. Yeah, you're competitive, so, but.

600
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: But you're not speaking ill, you're not speaking negative on

601
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: some way. And that's the thing to the best, the

602
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: best man, best man woman win the job. So I'm

603
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: not but I'm not gonna say, oh, this person, that

604
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: person is that to try to conjure up so the

605
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: athlete feels some type of way.

606
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is what I can abide. This is

607
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: what I believe.

608
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: I'm the best man for the job. My agency and

609
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: I think we can do the best job for you

610
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: moving forward.

611
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 6: And that's the point I was making when we talked

612
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 6: about it, when we did first take The point I

613
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 6: was making was, of course I didn't.

614
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 5: Expect white agents to help to try to help me.

615
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 6: That wasn't even expectation, right, But coming from where I

616
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 6: came from, the game was given by the older guys.

617
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 6: Whether you decided to digest it or not was on you.

618
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 6: But I can't sit here and say that my coattail

619
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 6: wasn't pulled to certain things to help me get through

620
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 6: the day, get through the month, get through the year

621
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 6: of survival.

622
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 5: So that's all I know.

623
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 6: I only I got to give that back when I

624
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 6: started that wasn't the case. And I seen people online like, oh,

625
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 6: well you didn't say that. I'm like, you're missing the point, right.

626
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 2: Did you reach out? Did you? I mean, I don't

627
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: need to call it any names, but did you reach

628
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: out to any agency?

629
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 6: And I first started the business, I talked to everybody

630
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 6: because I wanted to understand why are things the way

631
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 6: they are? And what I came to understand is ain't

632
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 6: no different in the block and man for themselves. That's

633
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 6: just that's just that that that has been placed upon

634
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 6: us from a thought process.

635
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 5: But what happens is when.

636
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 6: You create those that psychology, it stunts to growth and

637
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 6: stunts of communication habits.

638
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 5: It's stunts. I should have came up under something that

639
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 5: was already built, right, That's.

640
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: Normally how it happens. Agency.

641
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: They normally come up in a big agency and then

642
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: they branch out on their own. You started differently, You

643
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: started out.

644
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: On your own.

645
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 5: I started differently.

646
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 6: I started a place, but I don't even count that

647
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 6: because there was no education there, There was no there

648
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 6: was no plan for me to become who I am today.

649
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 6: But what I started to realize is, oh, you know,

650
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 6: we work in a small industry, so things get back.

651
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: Yes, the only.

652
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 6: Difference is the kid on the cover of that book.

653
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 6: In that environment, when things get back.

654
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: Oh we're pulling up.

655
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 5: You get what I'm saying.

656
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 6: In this industry, when someone goes and and speaks about

657
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 6: you in a very derogatory way for two.

658
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 5: Hours, ain't that much to say? Now, the business is

659
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 5: the business. Competition is in all business.

660
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 6: But when you make it personal, that's a different dynamic

661
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 6: like primes and then you made it personal, right, But

662
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 6: but we couldn't do that.

663
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 5: I you know, it's not in me. I couldn't be

664
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 5: trying to talk to a girl and mentioned Shannon. We don't.

665
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 5: That's no go where we don't. We don't do that.

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Speaker 6: And so but I'm in this game where I left

667
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668
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Speaker 5: It really ain't.

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Speaker 6: There's rules, but the rest are signed to the establishment.

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Speaker 2: You love sports? Coming up? Your team? Yeah?

705
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Speaker 1: Basketball? Your team won the state title. How good of

706
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: an athlete was Rich Park?

707
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Speaker 6: On the scale of one to ten depend on the year.

708
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 6: If you're talking about ages, if you're talking about a seven,

709
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Speaker 6: live up total a seven to twelve.

710
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Speaker 5: I was about an eight because everybody's just the same

711
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 5: about it, eight or not. You got the tape, go

712
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713
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Speaker 2: We wanted.

714
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 5: We wanted that. We won the city championship.

715
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 6: I won MVP, I did an interview. I think my

716
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 6: teammates everything. But then once I got into high school,

717
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 6: it changed. But it also changed cause I didn't put

718
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 6: in the work. See I'm down at the hut. They gambling.

719
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 6: I'm missing something. You know, we got a big dice game.

720
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Speaker 6: We got a summer of the game, a euclid. I

721
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 6: show up at halftime.

722
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Speaker 5: That ain't right, man, But you know I'm down forty

723
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 5: five hundred. I got to get back. But so I

724
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 5: just took the riddle of it. The suite. I understood

725
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 5: it right.

726
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Speaker 6: But as I talk about this, me not starting on

727
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 6: my team didn't discourage me from being a part of

728
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 6: the team. I was a part of a great team.

729
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 6: I had great teammates, and I was on the second

730
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Speaker 6: team every day in practice, and we made the first

731
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 6: team work. Sometimes we would beat the first team. Sometimes

732
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 6: I would get in the game. Sometimes I wouldn't get

733
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 6: in the game at all. Right, and I look up

734
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 6: in the stands. I stood my brother there some die.

735
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 6: Nobody in my family really cared about sport. But my

736
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 6: brother would be there sometimes. My dude would be there

737
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 6: off the block sometimes and support. But it was okay

738
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 6: because I understood my position, understood my role. But when

739
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 6: we leave out this locker room, now it was my

740
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 6: turn to be the man.

741
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Speaker 5: And that's all fair. Shame had never been no robber,

742
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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying.

743
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Speaker 2: After the game, you hit it back down to the block.

744
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Speaker 6: We had it somewhere. You know, I may have some

745
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 6: if my dudes came to the game. They didn't come

746
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 6: to the game for the game. They came to the

747
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 6: game because where we're.

748
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 5: Going after the game, Yeah, And we would go down

749
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 5: certain places.

750
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Speaker 6: But I respected my teammates, you know, we we and

751
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 6: I enjoyed it. I played against Mike Gansey, who's a

752
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 6: he's a GM of the cast now.

753
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 5: A lot of guys. We played against Steve Logan, Sam Clancy,

754
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 5: a lot of guys that was that was top guys.

755
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 5: We loved it.

756
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 6: We loved the game we played. Sat played football right,

757
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 6: his dad, his son played for USC. They all played

758
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 6: for a team called Saint Edwards. I went to Cleveland Beverdicton,

759
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 6: but Glennville was my neighborhood high school.

760
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Speaker 5: That was pretty yeah. But during the basketball side was

761
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 5: pretty good. We played with the same same Saint Mary

762
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Speaker 5: every year.

763
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Speaker 6: We had a we had a big time schedule. I

764
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 6: want to and I'm really close with a family in Columbus.

765
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 6: Shot and seen family in Columbus, and we I won

766
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 6: the last state championship in Saint John's and the first

767
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 6: state championship in the shot on Ohio State's campus. You know,

768
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 6: And so when you when you plan in it, you

769
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 6: don't know. And then you meet the family whose name

770
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 6: is on the arena, you know. All these things just

771
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 6: how life takes you. But I was a I was

772
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 6: a pretty good athlete. I will say this laugh if

773
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 6: you want to. I'm one of the best shooters though

774
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 6: even still to this day. And I'll take my chat.

775
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 6: If I was in the one of four fifty, I'll

776
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Speaker 6: be at the top. It's guys like me, Steph Clay,

777
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Speaker 6: Clay Who Thompson. Oh, I was gonna be dang.

778
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 2: This man talk about he shooting? Like, are you talking?

779
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Speaker 5: If you're just talking shooting, this is a class I'm

780
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 5: in y'all.

781
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 2: Going down to the gun range that you talk about

782
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Speaker 2: basketball into a.

783
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Speaker 5: Rim, Trey Darious Garland. I'm just talking about guys in

784
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 5: the league right now that shoot the three really well.

785
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 5: I would be amongst the.

786
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Speaker 2: He's having good See he's having a good old interview.

787
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: I mean it was going well. I really the story

788
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 2: that you was telling, it's been similar.

789
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Speaker 6: But I'm talking about in terms of I didn't say dribbling, playing,

790
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 6: I said shooting.

791
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 5: That's all I'm said.

792
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Speaker 2: The mere fact that you put in yourself Ridge.

793
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Speaker 5: You are talking legends. You gotta throw Reggie in there,

794
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 5: and Ray, it's all of us.

795
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 2: My point is you putting yourself in that group.

796
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Speaker 1: I ain't got no problem with the name you miss

797
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: it's just the fact that your name is in there

798
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: in terms of shooting.

799
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: I don't care what it is.

800
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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I feel good about it, and I ain't drinking.

801
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:10,879
Speaker 5: I'm not drinking no, yack, I'm drinking water.

802
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: No, you should have drannk you too sober to be

803
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: saying something like that. I need a reason why you

804
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: said some bullshit like that.

805
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: I'm just sorry. Where you saying some police just like that?

806
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 5: Well, I'm just telling the truth. I put it this way.

807
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 5: You know, when two men got discrepaned, what's the next word?

808
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,280
Speaker 2: Ben? Exactly?

809
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 5: That's all. It's the only way for you to find out.

810
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: I want you to tell the people what you told

811
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: us before we came on there. I said, you played sports.

812
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: You're like, you know, we're getting into that.

813
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 2: So y'all. In football, I could run some routes. Go ahead.

814
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 5: I was a good route runner. I played every position.

815
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Speaker 6: Man, But I'm not saying I was the best because

816
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 6: I was. I'm the first to say to you, no,

817
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 6: I was not the best on my team. I wasn't

818
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 6: the best on any team I ever played on. But

819
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 6: you know what, I was great at leadership, having perspective, okay, right,

820
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 6: corralling the guys, helping them understand the moment what needs

821
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 6: to take place, my practice habits.

822
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 5: I'm leading the leading the team when we run in

823
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 5: the lapse.

824
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Speaker 1: Because I have to respect that, because I was expecting

825
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: you to come out here and say, yeah, man, I

826
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: could if i'd have grew like another five secs, I

827
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: could have played in the NFA.

828
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 5: We don't do no one thing about it, you got.

829
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 5: We don't do no bunch of lyne. We don't do

830
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 5: no bunch of line. Ain't need to be getting on.

831
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 6: They're talking about no line because all somebody gonna do

832
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 6: is put up to take, So I don't need to

833
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 6: do none of that. No.

834
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: So college, high school, you did what you like. You

835
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 2: said you were no dumby, no.

836
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 5: Being smart, very smart at tend it in class.

837
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: Make sure I got my homework, because at that point

838
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: in time in high school, did you know the kind

839
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: of the direction that you wanted to go in when

840
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: you became an adult?

841
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 5: Not at all, Not at all. I thought I was

842
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 5: gonna be a pro until my father told me I wasn't.

843
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: In ninth grade, I read in the book that you

844
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: said you used to like drinking coffee. I did, And

845
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: then your dad told you that coffee stuted your growth,

846
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: and you stopped. But you might have stopped a little

847
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 1: bit too late.

848
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 5: Because I was drinking black, drinking the coffee black.

849
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but do you let it realize that coffee don't

850
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 2: start the growth.

851
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 5: I didn't know what to believe, you know, they concept,

852
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 5: you know, craying back then anything. I didn't know what

853
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 5: to believe.

854
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: And you started drinking tea. So you're and you're in

855
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: high school, you graduating high school. What's rich Paul's next plan?

856
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 5: I wanted to go to college.

857
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 6: I did go to college. I went to college, and

858
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 6: my dad was still alive. My dad stressed education so much.

859
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 6: I just wanted to further my education. Nobody in my

860
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 6: family went to college, right, So I went to college,

861
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 6: and I did everything on my own. I remember picking

862
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 6: the college I wanted to go to, going to guidance

863
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 6: counselor you know, going to my uh you know, my

864
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 6: orientation right and seeing the dorm and all that I had.

865
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 5: No my dad or mom didn't come on this stuff

866
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 5: with me. I did it by myself else, you know.

867
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 6: And but unfortunately my my my freshman year of college, uh,

868
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 6: around September, my dad got sick. My dad got really sick.

869
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 6: And I remember the conversation I have my dad because

870
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 6: I was talking to him about some books I had

871
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 6: to order, and he had this this attitude about it.

872
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 6: And my dad never had an attitude about education. But

873
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 6: he didn't tell me anything. My uncle Joe had to

874
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 6: tell me what was going on, and my you know,

875
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 6: my sister and so and and it just it just

876
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 6: happened so fast, and so I had to transfer to

877
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 6: be closer to my dad, and I would that's when

878
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 6: I went to Cleveland State.

879
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 5: And then man, it be some days I'll be driving

880
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 5: the class and.

881
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 6: I would just turn around and go sit with my

882
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 6: dad because I didn't know how long I was gonna

883
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 6: have with him, right, And you know, and that was

884
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 6: a tough tough thing for me.

885
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: How did you balance that knowing that that death is

886
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: on the horizon for you?

887
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, while all the wi but.

888
00:42:58,520 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 2: I still got to live. Yeah.

889
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 5: My dad used to always tell us, though I ain't

890
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 5: gonna be here forever.

891
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 6: He used to tell us that my dad didn't shoot

892
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 6: coat anything because life didn't shoot cot anything. And the

893
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 6: store was on that corner, and when you stepped out

894
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 6: on that corner, you was a part of the environment,

895
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 6: and so at that time, anything could happen, right, and

896
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 6: so that's how he prepared us.

897
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 5: And so it was tough. Though it was tough, but

898
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 5: I got through it.

899
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 6: But it was tough, but I I'm glad I did

900
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 6: spend those days, and some days I would just go

901
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 6: and just sitting next to his bedside.

902
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: You know, you say, I read where you said that

903
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: the streets was your more house, was your Harvard. That

904
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: the knowledge that you got to deal with people in

905
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: business on a corporate level, on higher side. Now, all

906
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: that information you didn't get from books, you didn't get

907
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: from a college. You got it from the streets and

908
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: dealing with people in the streets, dealing with people in

909
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: your dad's convenience.

910
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, because to me, And that's why when they brought.

911
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 6: Up the rich Paul Rue, I didn't think that made

912
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 6: any sense, especially working in the business that we're working.

913
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 5: Within the service industry.

914
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 6: You don't learn how to service people from a textbook.

915
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 6: You learn that through experience, right, And when I was

916
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 6: out there, that was my experience at my dad's store,

917
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 6: dealing with people, seeing the pitfalls and challenges, and.

918
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 5: I realized something you can learn so much from from

919
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 5: someone telling you.

920
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 6: Their failures, because everybody want to know what's what should

921
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 6: they be doing successful, but you also should want to

922
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 6: know what you shouldn't be doing. It's so much in

923
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 6: to learn from what not to do. And so that's

924
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 6: how we learned. We had to learn the silhouettes so people,

925
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 6: we had to learn cars, we had to learn how

926
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 6: to just diffuse situations like I talk about my friend

927
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 6: Cactus in this in the book, and it was a situation.

928
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 5: It's my friend.

929
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 6: He lived on the next street Edmonton Woodside. And I

930
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 6: told the story not because today currently he's incarcerated, but

931
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 6: when he gets out. It not because we won't be friends,

932
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 6: because we were friends.

933
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 5: But as a young.

934
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 6: Black man, you don't always understand how to communicate right.

935
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 6: You don't want to be judged because you always are

936
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 6: being what judged, and so what that does is it

937
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 6: causes you to act even despite you not wanting to

938
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 6: act a certain way. So I tell this story about

939
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 6: what took place with us, and I had to understand

940
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 6: the position that he was in and I had to pivot.

941
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 6: So therefore he wouldn't be in a position where he

942
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 6: had to act even on something he probably would have

943
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 6: regretted down the road, and so that's all I was

944
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 6: the reason I.

945
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 5: Told that because it's the same way today.

946
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 6: Everybody's everybody's committing things an act because they don't want

947
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 6: to be judged, or they don't know how to communicate

948
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 6: something to someone else, and so you know, a two

949
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 6: minute decision cost them twenty years of life, right, and

950
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 6: it's too much of that.

951
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 2: How did you decide to go into the line of

952
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: work that you're currently in.

953
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 5: It was organic. I love sports, I love fashion, I

954
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 5: love people.

955
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 6: I played the game, I watched every game, I played

956
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 6: every sport, did taekwon, doe box, gymnastics, football, baseball, basketball,

957
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 6: and all my friends played sports for the most part.

958
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 6: And then I had another half that, you know, we

959
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 6: was kind of split down the middle.

960
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: And so.

961
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 6: As I you know, as I was getting into the

962
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 6: jersey business, I'm selling the jerseys.

963
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 5: Again. It's just sports and culture. It's all the same.

964
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 5: It's like it intersects.

965
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 6: And I never planned on being an agent, but I

966
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 6: always had this ability to connect with people.

967
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 5: I knew the game. I know the game. I can

968
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 5: talk football, I can talk basketball, I can talk baseball. Right,

969
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 5: and so.

970
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 6: As I started to see what representation looked like. I

971
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 6: started to understand that it was in a lot of ways.

972
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,439
Speaker 5: It was surface deep.

973
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 6: There was a perception that the agent should look like this,

974
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 6: and then from that perception, there was an opportunity given

975
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 6: to others, right, and so now that game was started

976
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 6: to be played. Your agent has to look like this.

977
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 6: There was a narrative that it has to he had

978
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 6: to be a lawyer or whatnot. And then on the

979
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 6: flip side, they have a relationship with the shoe company

980
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 6: or whatever, and the shoe company understands the players coming in.

981
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 5: They know what they have and what they don't have.

982
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 6: They're given that information to one or two or three

983
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 6: individuals only, and then here they come and because of

984
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 6: because of the perception of them and how they looked,

985
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 6: the families deemed them to be what, educated, better, position, smart,

986
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 6: all these different things. And then when I got behind

987
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 6: the walls, I'm like, well, that's food's goal because they

988
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 6: don't know our culture for sure. So when I'm doing

989
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 6: a shoe deal, if I have a signature athlete, there's

990
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 6: some things that you need to know to better position

991
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 6: that person.

992
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 5: There's a reason why.

993
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 6: Certain decisions was made for certain athletes because that representation

994
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 6: didn't know cool right and didn't know culture. But we

995
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 6: tend to skip over that and not value certain expertise

996
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 6: because it's not packaged a certain way.

997
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 5: See this is packaged.

998
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 6: When you look at the best brands in the world,

999
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 6: they're packaging matters right. Our packaging automatically was discredited from

1000
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 6: day one, So now I had to work around that, right, So.

1001
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: Started Clutch. You says, Okay, I'm gonna do this. I'm

1002
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: gonna start my own company. Yeah, what was your thought

1003
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,760
Speaker 1: process behind starting your own company?

1004
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,959
Speaker 6: I was so motivated. I was in a position where,

1005
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 6: you know, you could just feel with somebody trying to

1006
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 6: play you. And I wasn't that type of guy. I

1007
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 6: was never dependent of somebody. I was always know how

1008
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 6: to get yeah, and so there wasn't no challenge for

1009
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 6: me to lead an agency. I left, and I wasn't

1010
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 6: really like you know, they would tell you, oh, it

1011
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 6: was planned or we positioned like that, that's all bullshit.

1012
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 5: No, it was it wasn't planned. I had an issue.

1013
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 5: The issue wasn't being resolved.

1014
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 6: And oftentimes, when someone quote unquote feels like they gave

1015
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 6: you an opportunity, you should forever be.

1016
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 5: Indebted to them. But I'm like, no, you can, you could.

1017
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 6: I mean, I understand the idea of the opportunity, but

1018
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 6: it didn't. It came because I was somebody's friend.

1019
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 2: We had to we have to learn to start being

1020
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: a slave the lord.

1021
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm like, somebody gives us an opportunity and

1022
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: we feel forever debted although things are not going the

1023
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: way that they should.

1024
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: Nah, I appreciate the opportunity.

1025
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, but but but my thing is, you know, the

1026
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 5: opportunity of of what entirely?

1027
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, because at the end of

1028
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 6: the day, yeah, there's an opportunity, but what's the plan?

1029
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 2: Right?

1030
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 6: There was no plan the play. It's just all good

1031
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 6: as long as somebody else has had I never want

1032
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 6: to be in that in.

1033
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 5: That position, and it was all good. Played the role.

1034
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 5: I played the role, and I was doing my thing.

1035
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 5: I started to get talent.

1036
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 6: I started beating guys out and I wasn't even a

1037
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 6: registered agent and I was beating guys out right, and

1038
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 6: they didn't know how. Nobody really knew how. But I

1039
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 6: had a connectivity. And so when I when I seen it,

1040
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 6: I can.

1041
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 5: Actually do it.

1042
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 6: I decided, and once I seen I can actually do it,

1043
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 6: and this didn't feel good. And I'm seeing what's transpiring,

1044
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm out. I it wasn't it wasn't a plan.

1045
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 6: It was May conversation ship by by by August. My

1046
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 6: mind was already made up regardless, and I didn't care

1047
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 6: if Lebron stayed. I didn't care who stay. I was

1048
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 6: out and I had to and I had the mentality

1049
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 6: that I was gonna build it. It just so happened

1050
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 6: that they left with me, and I was appreciative of that.

1051
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: You know what, you know, I'm not breaking down. I'm

1052
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: not interrupting your normally scheduled programming to break news to you.

1053
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,479
Speaker 1: You know what's being said. You know what was said.

1054
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: He got Lebron James. So it wasn't that he was

1055
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,839
Speaker 1: good at what he does. Is that he just had

1056
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: the best player in the NBA. And everybody says, Okay,

1057
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: if he's that Lebron, trust him, I'll trust him.

1058
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 2: Also.

1059
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 6: Boy, that's bs because it actually goes the other way.

1060
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 6: In a lot of cases, it's more challenging, at least

1061
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 6: for me. Now when they have it or have him,

1062
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 6: or if you got this person, it's a different dynamic.

1063
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 5: You can use your client list and it's to your benefit.

1064
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 6: It's to your benefit. But when it's me and it's

1065
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 6: my client list or I got the stars, it's a

1066
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 6: detriment that comes with that.

1067
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 5: People don't understand. It's like, oh, you had Lebron, it

1068
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 5: should be easy. No, it's actually harder.

1069
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 4: You know why.

1070
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 6: It's harder because we come from a place where that

1071
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 6: can only be one king. Our environment teaches us to

1072
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 6: always be competitive. There's no collaboration, there's no communication, you know,

1073
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 6: there's no connectivity that's there. There's no compounding of anything.

1074
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 6: So it actually becomes harder. And by the way, I've

1075
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 6: lost clients.

1076
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 5: Because of this.

1077
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 6: The person next to them feel like they're in competition

1078
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 6: with me. So no, I'm not even in that space,

1079
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 6: not in competition with me.

1080
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 5: The position I'm in right now.

1081
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 6: I could do anything for anybody within reason, and I

1082
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 6: want to do that. I'm not I'm not competing with

1083
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 6: other agents. I'm not competing with young, up and coming

1084
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 6: people that have a guy that want to be positioned

1085
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 6: and empowered.

1086
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 5: I want to empower you. But they're putting out there, oh, well,

1087
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 5: you know, rich ain't gonna do this rich. See for yourself.

1088
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 5: I don't need the peanut gallery. See for yourself. And

1089
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 5: if there's a conversation that makes sense, and if it

1090
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 5: make business sense, then we can do business. But at

1091
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 5: the end of the days, it's.

1092
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 6: Actually it works for me, its it works against you

1093
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 6: in a lot of ways.

1094
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 5: Now, in some cases it does work for it. You

1095
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 5: don't get me wrong. When you have the talent that

1096
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 5: we have at our company, you can't deny that.

1097
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 6: But yet, and still, unfortunately, we have to break down

1098
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 6: the psychological barriers of all.

1099
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 5: Right.

1100
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 6: I learned I come from it when I was young

1101
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 6: selling candy and popping beer wine at.

1102
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 5: My dad's store.

1103
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 6: Some people chose not to patronize with us because in

1104
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 6: their mind, if I spend my money with rich, then

1105
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 6: little rich get to Jordan's and I don't have them.

1106
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 6: So God was already preparing me for this position I'm

1107
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 6: in now. So when I see it, it don't even

1108
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 6: bother me.

1109
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: When do you remember, did you know who Lebron was

1110
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: when you first met it? And what was your first

1111
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 1: impressions when you did meeting?

1112
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, our high schools played against each other every year,

1113
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 6: so myself and Maverick we played against each other every years,

1114
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 6: mandatory football, basketball, baseball. Our high schools played against each

1115
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 6: other every year. Bron wasn't yet Bron. They had won before,

1116
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 6: but he wasn't on the cover.

1117
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 5: Of Sports Illustrated.

1118
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 6: But I knew I know every kid. I knew every

1119
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 6: kid cause I'm I go to games all that. And

1120
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 6: my impression was he asked me a question about what

1121
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 6: I had on my energy was nice enough, not because

1122
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 6: I was looking for something in return. That's another thing

1123
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 6: our environment teaches us. If you give me something I get,

1124
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 6: I gotta get something in return. That's why we never

1125
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 6: build anything. That's why everyone wants to be the talent,

1126
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 6: because the talent brings forth fortunate and thing. No one

1127
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,919
Speaker 6: ever thinks about building, and no one ever thinks about

1128
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 6: playing a different role within the ecosystem of physical therapists,

1129
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 6: you know, analysts, GM, et cetera. There's a lot of

1130
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 6: roles to play within the ecosystem, but that's not the

1131
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 6: popular role to play.

1132
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,959
Speaker 5: And that's why everybody can't be shot at sharp. Just can't.

1133
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 6: Everybody ain't gonna wear that yellow jacket and go and can.

1134
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 6: But my jacket could be a difference. It may not

1135
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 6: be yellow, but that's port of Hall of Fame. But

1136
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 6: I got a jacket on.

1137
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 5: You understand what I'm saying. So that's always been my mentality.

1138
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: Why it's such a problem is that, you know, Phil Knight,

1139
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos. You look at some of the greatest men

1140
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: in the world, wealthiest men in the world, women have

1141
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: had someone believe in them. But it seems to be

1142
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: a problem that Lebron I don't know, and you don't

1143
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 1: have to address this. I don't know if he invested money,

1144
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: but I know he invested an opportunity.

1145
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, Lebron never gave me a dollar, and that was

1146
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 6: the that's what they wanted to put out there, right,

1147
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 6: But they didn't say that about Jeff Schwartz.

1148
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 5: They didn't say that about Arn Teller. They didn't say

1149
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 5: that about Mark Barlestein. They didn't say those things, right, Right,

1150
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 5: what you think happened with them?

1151
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 6: Did they?

1152
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 5: Just what you think happened. You get what I'm saying,

1153
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 5: and I respect those guys, but but that's not what's

1154
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 5: being said.

1155
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 2: Right.

1156
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 5: You get what I'm saying is when they have the

1157
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 5: top player, that player don't have to own a piece

1158
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 5: of they business for them to represent them. That players

1159
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 5: represent them.

1160
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 6: They're represented by that that that players represented by that

1161
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 6: person because that person is deemed to be capable of

1162
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 6: of doing the job.

1163
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 5: Same for me, same for me.

1164
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 2: I want to know this after Dan Garber said, what

1165
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 2: the hell he's saying?

1166
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wrote what he wrote, said Lebron quick putting

1167
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: that thing up in the paper, How the hell did

1168
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: you convince Lebron to take his ass back to Cleveland?

1169
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 5: Legacy? About legacy?

1170
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 6: Man, we come from a place where two brothers shoot

1171
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 6: at each other and sleep in the same bed.

1172
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 5: What we're gonna what we're gonna set that for? You're

1173
00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 5: gonna put that over your legacy?

1174
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: When you Bron checked this side, bro for your legacy,

1175
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: I think you ought to go back to Cleveland with

1176
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: the title.

1177
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 2: What Lebron said, what was his exact word to you?

1178
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 5: He was open minded.

1179
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 6: He was open minded, But he wasn't the first person

1180
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 6: I had a conversation I had to have a conversation with.

1181
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 6: You know, we were close, so I Savannah and I'm

1182
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 6: glow and having Randy we had to come. We talked

1183
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 6: about it and but this was but again, when you

1184
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 6: talk about this is my.

1185
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: Job, this is the role I play So before you

1186
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: talked to bron, you talked to Savannah, you talked to Glow,

1187
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:32,479
Speaker 1: you talked to Math.

1188
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 5: In addition to talking to them, I talked to everybody.

1189
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 2: How did Savannah feel?

1190
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 6: Well? You know, man, man, we've been down like four

1191
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 6: fat tires for so she understood Robert because I have

1192
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 6: a perspective on it, right, and.

1193
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 5: I don't make it about me. What I'm saying is

1194
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 5: in terms.

1195
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 6: Of legacy, right, and we we we we identified the

1196
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 6: talent that was currently the team.

1197
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 5: And it wasn't about winning.

1198
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 6: I didn't know they was gonna go to the finals

1199
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 6: in the first year. That was That was all I

1200
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 6: was saying was there's an opportunity and if you're able

1201
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 6: to win, it's a rap. Nobody forget anything else. If

1202
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 6: you win a championship for the city of Cleveland and

1203
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 6: the Cleveland Cavaliers, I don't care what anybody get on

1204
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 6: any media platform and say it don't even matter. From

1205
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 6: that point on, it's all uphill.

1206
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 2: How recept it was his mom, Gloria.

1207
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 6: Coming from me, she understood it. She understood it, and

1208
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 6: she gonna support what he support. She understood it like

1209
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 6: a mom to me. So when I come I barely come.

1210
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 6: But when I do, I barely come to the table

1211
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 6: with anything. When I do come to the table with something,

1212
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 6: they know it's serious because I'm not coming to the

1213
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 6: table just for the sacond coming to the table.

1214
00:59:59,000 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 5: I'm coming to the table.

1215
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 6: I thought this through, I've strategized it. You know, it

1216
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 6: makes perfect sense, and so on and so forth. What

1217
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 6: would they allow me to do my job?

1218
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: The conversation of leaving Cleveland going to La. Whose idea

1219
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: was that?

1220
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,439
Speaker 6: Well, the conversation leaving Cleveland, I mean, and I talked

1221
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 6: about this before, and I you know, people just go crazy,

1222
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 6: But the conversation was pretty simple in terms of what

1223
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 6: is it that you want to do. If you want

1224
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 6: to stay here, let's stay here. But if you want

1225
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 6: to go somewhere, your brand is here. You only got

1226
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 6: so many options, right, We wasn't going to New York,

1227
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 6: even though New York, you know, was was it was

1228
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 6: an option. But ultimately he had already had a place

1229
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 6: in LA and uh, I had the opportunity of spending

1230
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 6: a year here with because I had KCP here and

1231
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 6: getting a better understanding of the organization Magic and I

1232
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,320
Speaker 6: talked a lot new Rob just through throughout the years,

1233
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 6: and his family wanted to be in LA and so

1234
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 6: ultimately it became an easier choice. But when we started

1235
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 6: doing the process of elimination, it's only there's only so

1236
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 6: many places to go.

1237
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 5: And you know, LJ gets bored about things and whatnot,

1238
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 5: and people take that out of context.

1239
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 6: But I'm just saying in terms of and I said

1240
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 6: to him, now, the only thing is we already you

1241
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 6: came back from three one, you brought a championship and

1242
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 6: either been to eight straight finals.

1243
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:38,600
Speaker 5: I think he went to eighth straight. Yeah, he went

1244
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 5: to h.

1245
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: Straight Miami four in Cleveland.

1246
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 6: Then you're coming down off that mountaintop. Now you know

1247
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 6: when we go we go to LA, it's all about championships.

1248
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 6: But all you need is one. You don't need fifteen

1249
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 6: because you ain't not gonna have the time to do that.

1250
01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 6: But if you can get one, you know, and made

1251
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 6: a decision and that was and that was it, Like

1252
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 6: it's not again when I come to the table. It

1253
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 6: was something I don't come to the table that often,

1254
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 6: so when I do, it has some substance to it.

1255
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: So what what is your take on the player empowerment?

1256
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: We see players being able to I'm not happy here.

1257
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 1: I'm going there. I'm not happy there. I'm going somewhere else.

1258
01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm not happy. There's the James Harden situation. What's your

1259
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: take on the hard situation?

1260
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, in James's case, I think from what

1261
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 6: I understand about and what he's said publicly.

1262
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 5: I know James known him for a long time.

1263
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 6: It's a personal thing that he feels as if something

1264
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 6: was promised, was positioned for him, and it's different. I

1265
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 6: don't know if it's totally basketball, because I know James

1266
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 6: loved the game of basketball, and you know, there's there's

1267
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 6: there's some things that probably could have take place prior

1268
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,800
Speaker 6: to but that's up to them. I don't represent James,

1269
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 6: you know, but but yeah, it's a tough situation for him.

1270
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 5: Man.

1271
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 6: But ultimately, when you're in these type of situations, the

1272
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 6: one thing that's very important that I think people have

1273
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 6: to monitor and understand is your value.

1274
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 5: Right.

1275
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,960
Speaker 6: You want to keep your value up, and so you

1276
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 6: think about the value coming from the extension that could

1277
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 6: have been in Brooklyn to currently now, Well, you're never

1278
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 6: gonna get that money. We don't know where that where

1279
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 6: that is rich.

1280
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 2: You're not getting that money and for.

1281
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 5: Me to say, I don't know where it is. I

1282
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 5: don't know, but I'm just saying.

1283
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 2: I don't see it.

1284
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: I don't I don't see him at that age wanting

1285
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: out of Houston, wanting out of Brooklyn, want and out

1286
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: of feeling and somebody trusting him to give him that much.

1287
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: You've represented a lot of guys and you get close,

1288
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: you build a relationship. But how hard is it for

1289
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: you to part ways with a guy or guy said,

1290
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:55,959
Speaker 1: you know what, man, this is just it's not that hard.

1291
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 6: If not, no, because at the end of the day,

1292
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 6: you have to understand you're not gonna be able to

1293
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 6: please everybody. And sometimes we could work a very very

1294
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 6: thankless job. Sometimes you could do everything right and it's

1295
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 6: not good enough. Because again, our athletes are being taught

1296
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 6: a certain way. They're being taught everybody should be doing

1297
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 6: stuff for you for free. They're being taught that come

1298
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 6: play for my AAU team. I'm gonna give you this.

1299
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 5: Your parents can fly on us. So now you build

1300
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 5: your assage when it comes to doing business.

1301
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 6: And it's a talent right so now if anybody has

1302
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 6: an entitlement to that talent, that's like the steering.

1303
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 5: Wheel of the car.

1304
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 6: So now, well, what are you doing? He's scoring the points,

1305
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,919
Speaker 6: what are you doing. We don't only work on July first,

1306
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 6: We work all year round. But it's not looked at

1307
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,200
Speaker 6: like that. So you have to start to distinguish and

1308
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 6: yourself from who actually values you and value your expertise,

1309
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 6: because treat me the same way you treat that person.

1310
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 6: Sit behind the counter at the Louis Vuitton cash register.

1311
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:10,960
Speaker 6: They ain't giving you no discount. You ain't coming to them.

1312
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 6: You're throwing everything on and you because it costs more,

1313
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 6: and it's a thing, it's the stature thing. You want

1314
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 6: to show that you spent two hundred thousand at the store.

1315
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 5: Right. But then when it comes to someone who.

1316
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 2: Your percentage, they want to cut you if your percentage and.

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Speaker 6: Have that that that doesn't that don't make sense to me, right,

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Speaker 6: But this is what's happening in the space and for

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01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 6: those that for those that lead with that, because there's

1320
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 6: a lot of companies that lead with that, they do

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01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 6: it playing on the ego that I'm so good that

1322
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 6: they want to work for less, right, because I'm so good.

1323
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 6: But when you think about life, nothing else in life

1324
01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 6: works like that if you need heart surgery, you want discount.

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Speaker 6: I'm just asking you got club sha, share your production

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01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 6: crew you want, you want to just get some guys

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Speaker 6: off the street.

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Speaker 5: But only in.

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01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 6: Sports is where they can feed the egos so much

1330
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 6: that it causes you to have bad business practice. Now

1331
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 6: people may say, oh, you're just saying that it's self serving. No,

1332
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 6: it's in anything anything you do in life that's worthy.

1333
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 6: There's no shortcut to that. Right you go up and

1334
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 6: mass you can't even buy nothing.

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Speaker 5: You want to buy that. This is no matter how

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01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 5: much money you got. This is my point. So that's

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01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. But you but but when they can't

1338
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 5: get it there they go and pay what double and triple.

1339
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 5: You get what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: So that's my thing is just about respect. I mean,

1341
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 6: I can't say what other people do and don't do.

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Speaker 6: It's just but for me, it's just it's so it's

1343
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 6: not that it's not that hard. When if it's not

1344
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 6: working out, then it don't work out.

1345
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you out of here on this one.

1346
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,919
Speaker 1: And you're the closest to the story, so you would

1347
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 1: know what if with the vitriol of the older players

1348
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 1: towards Lebron. It seems like and it seems like a

1349
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,480
Speaker 1: lot of the old players don't want to give these

1350
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: young this younger generation the credit that they deserve.

1351
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Speaker 2: But it seems like a lot of the ire is

1352
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 2: pointed at twenty three.

1353
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 5: Why do you think that is really corny?

1354
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,439
Speaker 6: To me? I will absolutely and I do like I said,

1355
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 6: you know, and when you're out there, you deal with

1356
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 6: certain things. It's it's it's layered in my opinion. Got

1357
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 6: to remember when Lebron came in, a lot of guys

1358
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 6: were still in the prime and all the attention turned

1359
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 6: to him in two thousand, says to all the attention boom,

1360
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 6: one hundred min dollars of contract, real hundred men, not

1361
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 6: that fluff that be going out today.

1362
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 5: I'm talking about one hundred minion dollars contract.

1363
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 2: Never drive with NBA basketball in the NBA, they.

1364
01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 6: Never seen nothing like that, you know, sending a private

1365
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 6: jet when he's sending the high school. We going up

1366
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 6: to New York every weekend, every other weekend with whatever.

1367
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 6: When you could you know what I'm saying, all these things,

1368
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 6: they wasn't it? And so quite naturally in the neighborhood

1369
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 6: you develop what NB. It's it's much easier for you

1370
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 6: to be like, man, that's some cold man, that's some

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01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 6: that's player, that's real player. Man.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate that. I'm proud of you. That's the hardest

1373
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 5: thing to do. The easiest thing to do is what

1374
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 5: they do.

1375
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 6: Ah this you know you have and then now when

1376
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 6: you give that to a media platform, and now it's

1377
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 6: even trickling down to some of the younger players just

1378
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 6: they purposely don't say his name and things, Oh I

1379
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 6: played this because of these people. But again, if you

1380
01:08:47,880 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 6: everybody didn't always had a mama mentality. The mama mentality came.

1381
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 5: After Kobe was really done. Then all of a sudden,

1382
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 5: everybody had the mama mentality.

1383
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 2: Because the mama. Everybody frowned the planet because they say

1384
01:08:58,320 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 2: he was ball home.

1385
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, but when he was playing, because I was there,

1386
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 6: we said he wasn't hanging out with none of these guys.

1387
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 5: You know, you give what I'm saying.

1388
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 6: But I'm not surprised because I come from it. I

1389
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 6: wish it was different, but I'm not surprised because I

1390
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 6: come from it. But what impresses me more is that

1391
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 6: guy don't do unto those what they do to him.

1392
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 6: His door has always been open. Every time you see somebody, man,

1393
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 6: what's up? Show love, et cetera.

1394
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 5: Even when there's is he too nice?

1395
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 2: Because because Jordan gave the players, he played it with him.

1396
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 2: But he.

1397
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 6: Understand some familiarity breed disrespect. And I tell him that

1398
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 6: sometimes they can walk past somebody, don't even speak. That

1399
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 6: make that person want to speak to you more. If

1400
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 6: you speak to that person every time, it becomes And

1401
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 6: that's that's the.

1402
01:09:58,240 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 5: Treatment that he gets.

1403
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 6: Sometimes what I'm saying, they get on Dremond for being

1404
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 6: his friend. It's craziness, right. But but but again this

1405
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 6: is this is not about That's not an athlete thing.

1406
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 6: That's a people thing. And that's why I said what

1407
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 6: I said when we were talking on first take. We

1408
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 6: have to break those sites. I'm not gonna do unto

1409
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 6: those others as they've done to me. That's not just

1410
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 6: not what I come from, because you don't want those

1411
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 6: habits created.

1412
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 2: So if the Jordan Lebron debate ever gonna.

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01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 5: End, it ain't gonna end. But Bron's a goat, Jordan

1414
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:36,759
Speaker 5: a goat. Le Bron's ago.

1415
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 1: One guy one one one guy got gold Horne. The

1416
01:10:41,680 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: other guy got platinum horse.

1417
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I got a little platinum in here, but it's

1418
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 6: like platinum dog and then Bron's all platinum.

1419
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 2: Lucky me. A memory on changing the odds, Rich Paul.

1420
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 5: Precid, Thank you, Thank you.

1421
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 2: All my life, all my life.

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01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 4: Sacrifice us, want to slice, got to brow the dice,

1423
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 4: the squad all my life.

1424
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 2: I've been grinding all my life.

1425
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, all my life, grinding all my.

1426
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 4: Life, sacrifice, Mussell, play the Price, want to slice, got

1427
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 4: to brow the dice, the swap all my life.

1428
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 2: I've been grinding all my life.

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Speaker 4: M